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Speaker 1: What's up.

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Speaker 2: It's way up at Angela yee. This guy has definitely

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Speaker 2: been way up. Chance the rapper is here, so you

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Speaker 2: got your merch onto let me see this.

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Speaker 1: That's really nice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's some of the new pieces.

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Speaker 4: The pants is of collaboration with Kasubi I loveeah.

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Speaker 3: And then this joint is this was going to be

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Speaker 3: I think an exclusive.

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I think this is an

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Speaker 4: exclusive with Complex Shop.

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Speaker 2: You are not playing with the merch with the I

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Speaker 2: was actually I'm here's a little secret. Before you got

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Speaker 2: here today, I was watching you on live.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was doing the talk shop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing the talk Shop so I had to

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Speaker 2: sign up for it and you know, go through all

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Speaker 1: So I was like, let me see what chance it's

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of people haven't been getting information about

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Speaker 2: star Line like that. You know what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 2: feel like you've been giving us bits and pieces. We've

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Speaker 2: been sending emails like okay, so what are you know?

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Speaker 2: The collapse and we got to wait for the album

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Speaker 3: I just don't want to give it away too soon.

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Speaker 4: Like there's something about like here a new body of

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Speaker 4: a on a level of like this is all new

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Speaker 4: versus like, you know, anticipating what kind of song this

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Speaker 4: kind of person would beyond.

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Speaker 3: Because I do have a few features.

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Speaker 4: It's not a feature heavy album, but the artists that

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Speaker 4: are different songs and they're typically on or like you know,

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Speaker 4: or I just want people to be surprised and I'm

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Speaker 4: So I think, like I want to just like give them,

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Speaker 2: And they've been waiting. Yeah, I feel like this has

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Speaker 2: been a long time coming out. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the evolution of star Line. I mean, I did

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Speaker 2: see the video that you directed with Little Waynus. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the trade with the nai Re sample. I love that song,

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Speaker 2: thank you man. Yeah, it's like it's cool.

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Speaker 4: I think that song is like a really good maybe

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Speaker 4: terms of I think it's a good thesis statement for

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Speaker 3: So you know, like the song outwardly or.

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Speaker 4: Like on your first surface list, and it just sounds

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Speaker 4: like kind of like a weed song. It's fun you

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Speaker 1: We invent themselves.

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Speaker 3: Know, people like people smoke weed, you know what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, like but like even if you think about stopping frisk, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that follows them all one hundred percent. And I

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Speaker 4: and we all use our power whatever that is, your voice,

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Speaker 4: But then on the side of like the hip like

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to say one of the songs,

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Speaker 4: No facts, Yeah, that whole second verse and Negro problem

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Speaker 1: Honed down healthcare Black maternal health care, That's what I.

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Speaker 4: is pulled from an old book.

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Speaker 4: That's the idea behind intersectionality, is like everything works on

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Speaker 4: And basically it's saying like this negro problem is like

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Speaker 4: on everybody else that's money is fucked up, or you know,

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Speaker 2: Man, Listen, I was it just so happened that song

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Speaker 2: He was like, but I did pass out the other

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Speaker 2: just had low blood sugar. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: This album has been a long time in the making,

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Speaker 2: because it's been years, like how long sixty years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, since the last protect It's not crazy, it is crazy.

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Speaker 4: this piece has always been beautiful, just like this. I

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Speaker 4: And I think like with this project, everything kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been working with Brandon since I was

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Speaker 4: book astrap was his idea, right, So he took a

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Speaker 3: Like with a fan and it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely worked out. Yeah, and before you came in here,

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Speaker 2: He went to the anniversary performance, he said one of

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Speaker 3: Y thank you and you're not lying? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: You got the vinyl drum? Yeah. No. I feel like

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Speaker 4: And I love songwriting, I love recording, I love all

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Speaker 4: I know, my hair is getting long, but there's this

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Speaker 3: And I probably explained it wrong. When Brandon sees this,

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Speaker 4: I think Brandon is like somebody that's been with me

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Speaker 4: really really close. So having to have him be by

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00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 4: my side in this in this time, and also having

444
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 4: him be like my introduction to the arts, like I

445
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 4: tell people all the time, like when I first put

446
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 4: out ten Day and asked her rap, so many people

447
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 4: would come to me and tell me like I had

448
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 4: never heard your music before, I never heard anything from you.

449
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 4: I clicked on your shit because I've seen that artwork and.

450
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,360
Speaker 2: The merchan is amazing. That goes and like it kind

451
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 2: of falls into everything.

452
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: It's all cross connected. And I think he.

453
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: As like a as a person that used to fail

454
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 4: at art class every year and almost got kicked out

455
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 4: of school for like.

456
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: A lie that my art teacher told on me in

457
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 3: a sophomore year. I've always had a weird separation from art.

458
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: It was crazy. I'm not gonna show what was the lie. Bro.

459
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 4: Something happened when she was like she was like, uh,

460
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 4: something happened when she was telling everybody to shut up

461
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 4: and I was still talking, and she says something along

462
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 4: the lines of like get out the class, and I

463
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 4: was like, I bet, and I grabbed my shit and

464
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: walked out. And then she like told the administration that

465
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 4: I had like threatened her and that I've like made

466
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 4: up like I physically charged her some type of crazy shit.

467
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: I was on. I was blessed that there was thirty

468
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: witnesses in the room that was like this.

469
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 4: It was crazy also because it's like I hated going

470
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 4: to school, like I used to not go to school,

471
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 4: Like I went to school downtown in Chicago. I'm from

472
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 4: seventy Nights, So i would take the train all the

473
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 4: way to where all the big buildings are and everything,

474
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 4: and then I'd have to look at this school that

475
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 4: looks like a jail, and then all around it is

476
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 4: these big beautiful buildings and like dating busters and you

477
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,479
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Places I could just kick it

478
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: Panera bread and I would just not go to school.

479
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 4: So around that time, when I started going back to school,

480
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: I had gotten placed in this arts class that I

481
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 4: think was like the freshman and sophomore's art class because

482
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 4: I missed that credit and stuff, and so I used

483
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 4: to just hate being in there and used to hate

484
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 4: having to draw, like I'm not good at drawing.

485
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 3: So when that stuff happened and she kicked me out,

486
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: like it.

487
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 4: Almost ruined my whole, like like I almost got kicked

488
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: out of school, all.

489
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 3: Types of stuff.

490
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: Why would a teacher, Dude, that's wild to me.

491
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 3: Me and my teachers was never cool, like I have

492
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: like maybe four teachers I could think of from kindergarten through.

493
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: You know, I was always cool, like the dean of

494
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 4: discipline with like certain people that were like in the

495
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: administration that like, you know, at first they would get

496
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 4: tired of seeing me, but then they hear what I

497
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 4: got in trouble for, they were like, Oh, you're funny

498
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: as hell, Like you got in trouble for doing what for.

499
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I think I feel like education has

500
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: been so important to you, even as far as with

501
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: your nonprofits, but it also does show you that the

502
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: right teachers and the right staff and can make it

503
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: a huge difference.

504
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent.

505
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 4: I feel like what I learned was like when I

506
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 4: was in school, I thought differently than a lot of

507
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 4: my friends, which was one of the main things. Was

508
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 4: like I never really looked at a teacher as a

509
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: teacher like I did in the very beginning, and by

510
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: the time I got to high school, I was just like, Oh,

511
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 4: these are just adults that just come here to watch

512
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: us because our parents got to go to work and

513
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 4: because they need some money. So they don't care about

514
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 4: making sure that I learned the concepts. They don't care

515
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: about like nothing I got going on. Really, they just

516
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 4: want they're waiting for the next Belding so they could

517
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: get the next group of kids in here, So they're

518
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: not gonna care that I don't come to class. They're

519
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 4: not gonna care that I don't understand the concepts. They're

520
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 4: not gonna care about really nothing other than maybe trying

521
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 4: to teach me a lesson because they going through a

522
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 4: divorce or like tired of seeing these kids every day

523
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 4: or whatever. And so I use still not get along

524
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 4: with my teachers at all. And then I feel like

525
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: once I graduated and I started realizing like some of

526
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: the issues with youth and some of the problems, I'm like, well,

527
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 4: one of the main issues is just that these classes

528
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 4: are overpopulated and these teachers are underpaid. So you know,

529
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: I can't fault them for being human beings. And I

530
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 4: wish there was a different structure in which we, you know,

531
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: allow kids to connect with adults. Like back in the

532
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: back in the back of the day, we were just

533
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: talking about this in the car, Like the great philosophers

534
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: and stuff that we know are all came up under

535
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: like a system of like learning with one person, like

536
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: they learned with their parents and then they would go

537
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 4: study under you know, whoever was the great philosopher, and

538
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: then they would in turn become their own come up

539
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 4: with their own doctrine, and we still.

540
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: Teach that philosophy years and years later.

541
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: And I say all that to say, like, the less

542
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 4: the less kids it is to teach at a time,

543
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 4: the better you know.

544
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: That's a fact.

545
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Some kids need special attention too, Clearly.

546
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: I was a special at like from fourth grade through

547
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: graduating high school. I had an IEP, which is an

548
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: individualized education plan. I had like certain classes that I

549
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: didn't go to that to go sit in a room

550
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 4: with like seven kids like And what I'll say is

551
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: that like those sort of diagnosies and labels on children

552
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 4: definitely mess with they with their sense of self and confidence.

553
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 4: And I used to always feel like I was not

554
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: smart when I was a kid, And obviously I am smart,

555
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: and did y'all know I was in specially before now?

556
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: Did y'all even get a hint of a feeling that, right?

557
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: I just special attention because I do sometimes because sometimes

558
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: kids that are super creative need that, right. And it's

559
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: also not easy when the other kids and making fun

560
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: of you facts.

561
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: Like I think that's the hardest thing is feeling separated

562
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: from everybody else.

563
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: We had kids that used to fix cars and they

564
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: would just be like in this other I wish.

565
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 4: I was at a trade school and I would know

566
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: how to do something other than ra I think, like

567
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 4: I rap about it a lot on the album actually,

568
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: and like a couple of different songs on the intro,

569
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: in the outro, I kind of touch on it. But like,

570
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: I think that when I did graduate and I realized

571
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: some of those things, it made me be like, well,

572
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: first of all, I started working with kids way sooner.

573
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 4: So I was in a lot of after school programs

574
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 4: that was for creative stuff. They didn't know I was

575
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 4: in a special class, you know what I'm saying, So

576
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: they treated me like I was a genius because of

577
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: my raps.

578
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: And when.

579
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: And when our mentor died, we all shared a mentor,

580
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: me Vic Mensa, Nico Sigaal no name, Lucky, Mick Jenkins,

581
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: Saba Like there's a bunch of people in his say yeah,

582
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: we were all in this after school program together in

583
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 4: Chicago that was led by this like this really cool

584
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: dude a long Dress's name was brother Mike. When he

585
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 4: passed away, I think we was all probably like twenty.

586
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: It was like shortly after Astrap came out. I think

587
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit later actually tripping this is like

588
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, we all came together and we're like,

589
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: we're going to continue his program and call it open

590
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: mic and that kind of like that reconnecting with the

591
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: kids in that way, having like this this thing that

592
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 4: was staffed by a bunch of like you know, versioning

593
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: or you could call it like already you know, famous rappers,

594
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: and having all these kids, you know that we were

595
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: like guiding and giving a platform like that really was

596
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: the beginning of my uh social works and nonprofit work.

597
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: And also like made me be like, oh, like these

598
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: kids is talented, they just need somewhere to go. They

599
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: just need someone be and and that kind of like

600
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: pushed me into being like, oh, I want to be

601
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: a mentor like brother Mike or like some of the

602
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: people that help me.

603
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: I want to be spaces for the kids.

604
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: No, it was it was like no, And you got

606
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: to know, like that's what I think it's so funny

607
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: about this album is like I'm glad that I took

608
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 4: time to like keep parsing out stuff to my to

609
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: my fans and supporters that like is more in the

610
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 4: direction of the type of stuff I was writing when

611
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 4: I was a kid, and what we were, you know,

612
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 4: a lot more radical then then, you know what, I

613
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: think some of my fans would have been used to

614
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: if they had only heard coloring Book or only her

615
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: ass rap, only her ten day. But like when we

616
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: were kids, like we was like we was like deep poet,

617
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: activist kind of kids, like all of us, even the

618
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: ones that like, you know, I include myself, Like all

619
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 4: of my music isn't so you know, isn't super militant

620
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: like our poetry and our raps were when we were

621
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: in high school. And I feel like anybody could imagine

622
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: like we were our exact same selves, just shrunken down

623
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: with no facial hair and like screaming you know what

624
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying about political action and you know, and stuff

625
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: like that. And I just think it's whenever I think

626
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: about it, it's just so funny to me, Like we

627
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: were literally kids, but we knew who we wanted to

628
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: be and what we wanted to see in the world

629
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: at a really young age.

630
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: You know.

631
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: One of the standout tracks is no more Old Men

632
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: on This And I definitely as we're talking about all

633
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: of this and thinking about, like, you know, people that

634
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: have helped you and wanted to continue this program and

635
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: help the next generation. And can you talk about no

636
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: More Old Men and what was going on when you

637
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: were writing that song.

638
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so No More on Men. I've told people a

639
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 4: few times at this point. For a long time, it's

640
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: my favorite record on the album. It's a collaboration between

641
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: me and Jamila Woods, who I've worked with a bunch

642
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: of times. She did Sunday Candy with me, and she

643
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 4: did Blessings with me. She actually was in another after

644
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: school program that most of us were in too, and

645
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: she's i think two or three years older than me,

646
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 4: so she.

647
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: Was kind of like a counselor.

648
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: But like Jamila and I were in like have known

649
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: each other since we were kids. And when I made

650
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: this song, I really wanted to do something that I'll

651
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: tell you where it really comes from. So my cousin,

652
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: her name's Tanikia Carpenter. She's an amazing poet and a

653
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: million things, like she's just like an incredible person, but

654
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: she's a really really good poet and she had this

655
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 4: piece I think it was called The Day with No Grandfathers.

656
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm probably butchering the title, but she basically wrote this

657
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: piece that was like, you know, because of how many

658
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: niggas get killed right after they have a kid. We're

659
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: up with from Chicago, from Chicago, how many people that

660
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: pass away before, like right after they have a kid,

661
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: and how many you know, old men uh end up

662
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: with health problems dying younger and younger. There's gonna be

663
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: a day in Chicago where there's no pop pause is

664
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: what we be calling them, Like there's no grandfathers.

665
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: And the piece was just so deep.

666
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: This is years ago now that I was like, man, like,

667
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: I love this concept, and so I kind of did

668
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: the same thing the first versus really about the importance

669
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: of this space that I used to occupy when I'll

670
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 4: go to the barbershop with my dad, Like there's this

671
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: there's this you know, kind of like boyhood father and

672
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: son thing that has to happen, or even your mom

673
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: dropping you or your cousin's taking you where you go

674
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: to the barbershop and it's all men, and it's like,

675
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: you learn so many lessons. You learn about women, you

676
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: learn about sports, you learn about you know, entrepreneurship of

677
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: niggas that get to come in and bootleg stuff.

678
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: You learn about you know, the colloquial barbershop talk.

679
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: You get that really as a kid, and there's like

680
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: a very specific cultural importance to that that, you know,

681
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: we lose as as you have less and less old

682
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: men in the barbershop, less and less fathers in the barbershop.

683
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: And so that whole verse like kind of tells the

684
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: story of mister Harper who was the owner of the

685
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: barbershop on eighty seventh when I was a kid, mister Darden,

686
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: who was one of my neighbors growing up, all the

687
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: little things that I would see, and then it kind

688
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: of just like reflects on like, man, a lot of

689
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: that shit is gone. The second verse talks more so

690
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: about like my relationship to my father and how I

691
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: watched him interact with his homies growing up. My dad

692
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: and I are super super close, which is not always

693
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: the story in hip hop. You get it more now,

694
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: like Kendrick talking about his relationship with his father. The

695
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: clips obviously talking about the relationship with their parents, but

696
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: it's a story you didn't always used to see and rap.

697
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: And so I talk a little bit about me and

698
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: my dad, our closeness, Like I got a line that

699
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: I love so much. It starts off, I say, I

700
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: danced with my father, Luther Vander Ross. We played catch

701
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: so much I turned a Randy Moss Like little lines

702
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: like that, like I love so much because they give

703
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: a beautiful and clever and understandable description of the relationship

704
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: with me and my dad. And it also, like you know,

705
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: it uses hyperboles, so there's a lot of things I

706
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: like about that, but it goes into further and further,

707
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: like describing how my dad and his friends, his friends

708
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: relationships was, and how even his friends romantic relationships.

709
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: With they wives was.

710
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: And it just kind of talks from again a cultural

711
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: standpoint of like understanding, you know, why they make certain decisions,

712
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: why people get divorced, but net or I'm sorry, why

713
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: people split up and never get divorced and like just

714
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: live in two separate rooms on two different.

715
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: Parts of the house. Like that's like a me growing up.

716
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: That was something that I used to see all the time,

717
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: you know, And I do want to say, like even

718
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: for you, I know that was a hard decision for

719
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 2: you to get divorced, and you know, we watched that

720
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: struggle like break up, get back together, you know, and

721
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: you briefly reference it on the first song and you

722
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: talk about divorce, child support, all of that, and so

723
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: I know, sometimes people look at you and they're like, Okay,

724
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Chance the Rapper. Sometimes it feels like, man, you know,

725
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: my parents stayed married for a long time. They got

726
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: divorced after I graduated from college, and they still live together. Yeah, no,

727
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: that's all that thing nobody, But I feel like I

728
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: wish they would have made that decision to like be

729
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: happy in life and move on.

730
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think like.

731
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: I don't know the answers at all. I don't know

732
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: what's right or what's wrong. I do know that like

733
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: growing up, I used to see and.

734
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: I didn't understand it.

735
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: When I was a kid, I'm like, damn, why my

736
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: uncle lived like sleep in the basement, Like why is my.

737
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: Auntie's room on the topic, it's still normal.

738
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just felt like that's just how they live.

739
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: And then you understand like they at some point made

740
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: a decision that that's how they wanted to live. But

741
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: they also decided that they didn't want to, you know,

742
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: go through court or have their kids living in separate

743
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: houses or you know, feel like they were alone in

744
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: any way.

745
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: That's what I reference in the verse.

746
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: There's a line I'm gonna butcher, but something where I say,

747
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: you know, sleeping separate sleep in separate rooms for years

748
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: when their hearts broke, so at least somebody there if

749
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: they start to stroke, and it's like, you know, you

750
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: split up and you spend all this time with somebody

751
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: and now you alone, and who's going to be there

752
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: to like be your partner or help you when you

753
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: get sick or if anything happens to you. And I

754
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: think that's the decision that a lot of our you know,

755
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: parents and aunts and uncles and everybody made to like

756
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: to keep some sort of like family house or some

757
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: sort of family dynamic. Again, not saying that that's the

758
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: right way to do it, and not vilifying it because

759
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: that's what I grew up knowing for a long time.

760
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: But then also like I agree totally that people should

761
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: go and you know, in the pursuit of happiness and

762
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: in the pursuit of love and making decisions that are

763
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: going to be best for their hearts, and so like, again, yeah,

764
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: I don't have all the answers, but I think even

765
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: in the context of the intro, it's more like, you know,

766
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: I mention it, but I'm really mentioning it on like

767
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: the like decision making part of like tell me, now,

768
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: tell me, how can you now afford to file divorce?

769
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: The child support, the back door, take the trial to

770
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: coord the back door and the trial. A chord is not.

771
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: About my about my speneral.

772
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: It's more like other things that's going on in my

773
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: life I really don't talk about because I am you know,

774
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: like I have like all these things to worry about,

775
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: so I like try not to, like.

776
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: I guess cloud the information that I'm putting.

777
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't want to say something it gets misinterpreted

778
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: or it becomes the headline.

779
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: But you have an album coming out on Friday.

780
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: When I got an album coming out on Friday called

781
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: Starline and my tour.

782
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: That I'm so excited.

783
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 4: That's like my favorite thing in the world is performing,

784
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: like you were saying, like those assa rap shows, Like

785
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: I cannot wait to perform this material and to like

786
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: put on a show with it for people. And it's

787
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: been so long since I've been on stage that I

788
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: really just kind of need, you know, I need that

789
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: personal connection. I love being on stage and feeding off

790
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: of the fans and singing the songs together and like

791
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: altering show mixes of them, and like all of that

792
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: stuff is like that's one of my real joys.

793
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: You seem like you genuinely like people.

794
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: I love people, like you know.

795
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: How some people do it and it's like just because

796
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: it but I feel that you really want to shout

797
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: each missing out and like be a good person, you know,

798
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy, it is sometimes.

799
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: I mean I think I touch on that on the

800
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: outro of the album, like there's certain people that I think,

801
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: especially the ones that grow up child stars, and I'm

802
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: not the definition of a child star. I kind of

803
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: got I don't even know when I got on, but

804
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: I feel like I didn't start and start traveling on

805
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: a world too until I was nineteen. But that's still

806
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: really young. And you get access to this fame and

807
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: money and certain like adulation that you think is the

808
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: same thing as love at a young age, and it

809
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: kind of like alters your brain chemistry to the point

810
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: that you can't even like you know, you can't tell

811
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: the difference between the two things. And so like, I

812
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: love people because since I was a kid, I was

813
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: doing open mics and like talent shows and doing that

814
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 4: whole circuit of like I love to get a mic

815
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 4: in my hand and say what I want to say

816
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 4: and be get collaps and stuff like that, and I

817
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: think that remains with me. That's just a certain type

818
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: of person. I think a lot of people that came

819
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: up in my industry that got on when they were

820
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: in their teens or were traveling or supporting their family

821
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 4: in that way, like they got that same.

822
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: Vibe of like, oh yeah, I love people. I want

823
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: people to love me. You know what I mean.

824
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Listen, I could talk to you all day, but they

825
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: tell me we gotta wrap up because.

826
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, we gotta run over seat butt.

827
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: But don't run out yet. Let me just okay, So

828
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: make sure y'all get tickets to the show. The album

829
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: is star Line finally is here. So I just want

830
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: to take congratulations to you. I love get a chance

831
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: to chat it up as well, even off the mic,

832
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: like when I run be kicking it.

833
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, tell everybody that you're listening, that you really that

834
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: we really be seeing each other, Like I've really.

835
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: Seen him in Atlanta, sat down, had some shots called

836
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: my flight drunk as hell, ran into him at the

837
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: Airbnb event. Always a good time and always in. You're

838
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: always in good spirits no matter what's going on. And

839
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: I do want to say that I took up for

840
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: you when you were in Jamaica dancing. I was like,

841
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: that's how people dance, That's what Carnival is all about.

842
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: And anybody who's ever been knows that.

843
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: And you always have my back.

844
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: But every time I've ever come in with you, you always

845
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: are like, what about bar?

846
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: About a bar? What about yourself directed thing? You have

847
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: like real questions, but you have real questions for me,

848
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: and you really like I feel the love and like

849
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm excited to be you know.

850
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: Now, I appreciate how real you. I was in Chicago

851
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: in the park and I see Chance by himself.

852
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: He just dropped his daughter off to school. Oh yeah,

853
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: leaving the park. I was like, is that a chance

854
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: of rapper across the park.

855
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm a regular nigga. I'll be walking around Chicago. I'm

856
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: also not sweet, but I'll be just chilling. You know

857
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, I just be chilling. I just

858
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: be killing.

859
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you and congratulations on everything. And I

860
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: can't wait to have you on lip service.

861
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: I was gonna say we're on lip service next, get

862
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: in your mix.

863
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

864
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Once I get to really live with this album and

865
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: go through it all, but congratulations, thank you.

866
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: I appreciate chance of Love. I remember