Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies these episodes are based on. These are our
Speaker 2: stories done done? Hello, Yay, that's messed up? An SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I am Lisa and I am Kara, and you guys
Speaker 2: know what we do here.
Speaker 1: Every week we recap a classic episode of Law and
Speaker 1: Order SVU. We take a deep dive into the true
Speaker 1: crime it's based on, and then we interview someone who
Speaker 1: was on the episode, or in the case of last week,
Speaker 1: we interviewed a very talented writer for the show.
Speaker 2: But today we have a really hot guest and I'm excited.
Speaker 1: But hot in all kinds of ways hot and personality,
Speaker 1: hot physically, it's a very hot guest.
Speaker 2: What's going on, Lisa? What's new with you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I see you every day because now Rosie
Speaker 1: demands it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really love when Rosie runs into my arms
Speaker 2: and her curls bounce as she says I'm her best friend.
Speaker 2: It really pumps up my mood for sure.
Speaker 1: She told my husband that Lisa was her best friend,
Speaker 1: and I asked her. I said, guess who's coming this
Speaker 1: weekend because my mom is coming to town. She has
Speaker 1: not seen my mom in person since she was a
Speaker 1: non talking baby. And she was like Lisa. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a guess what. She comes over like
Speaker 1: every other day. So she's going to be very disappointed
Speaker 1: to meet her grandma if I'm when it's not Lisa.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure your grandma will win her over. She's
Speaker 2: bringing a present, That's what I'm sure. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 2: Rosie just wants to see my keys.
Speaker 1: Mostly, it's like, and your phone loves your phone, loves
Speaker 1: your phone.
Speaker 2: Your phone's doing a lot of heavy lifting there. What's
Speaker 2: happening over here is I did watch five seasons of
Speaker 2: Top Model, moved right into Laguna Beach, and now I'm
Speaker 2: watching The Hills. Is it two thousand and two? And
Speaker 2: my house it is? I Also, I went to the
Speaker 2: road with our friend Lauren, and she made fun of
Speaker 2: me later, But I did wear a sea through pink
Speaker 2: shirt front that I got from my parents' house from
Speaker 2: my youth, and I busted out my coach fanny pack.
Speaker 2: And I'm truly just like I'm in denial delusion. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm living like I'm Paris Hilton in
Speaker 2: two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: You're regressing and in a good way, though, is it good?
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's a good way, sounds like a harmless way.
Speaker 2: I'm just jealous of these Laguna teens, like I didn't
Speaker 2: live this life of theirs. They're going on dates to
Speaker 2: sushi in junior year. They're just like, No, I went.
Speaker 1: To sushich bonfires, like just casually on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2: I going to Cabo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going too, going to Cabo. I went to Kankun
Speaker 1: for my senior spring break and one of our friend's
Speaker 1: moms came with us because like a bunch of people's
Speaker 1: parents won't let us go alone, probably including my own,
Speaker 1: and she got food poisoning like first day and was
Speaker 1: just in bed the whole time. So Dan that stopped
Speaker 1: me from making out at many foam parties and getting
Speaker 1: hammered all the time.
Speaker 2: It's also weird to watch because it's like they all
Speaker 2: are underage and they're fully drinking. No one's stopping them.
Speaker 2: They're all like, we got belligerent last night. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I love that this had no rules back then. And
Speaker 2: also it's like really fucked up because now we know
Speaker 2: Jason had all these drug problems and you see him
Speaker 2: like kissed chess in front of like LC and you're like, no,
Speaker 2: he's so damn it. He's like my parents will let
Speaker 2: me go to Cabbo and it's like, yeah, you clearly
Speaker 2: have problems, and everyone was just like he's a dick.
Speaker 2: I'm like, he is going through it. He is fully
Speaker 2: addicted to drugs in high school.
Speaker 1: I also like that they I like how they were
Speaker 1: kind of realistically covered drinking with like the kids going
Speaker 1: to like house parties and just drinking on the beach
Speaker 1: and stuff. Because like then you watch it like Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl where they're just fully going to like martini bars,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you're sixteen, what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're rich enough and famous enough, you
Speaker 2: can drink in a club at sixteen, I know.
Speaker 1: But they would just be at like hotel bars, like
Speaker 1: they'd be like the Regency drinking a fucking champagne. I
Speaker 1: don't like drinking a champagne cocktail and be like gotta
Speaker 1: go finish my trig homework.
Speaker 2: Like it's just so it was like Gossip Girl always
Speaker 2: drove me nuts, but well, I thought maybe your parents
Speaker 2: own the hotel. But have you seen or read Crazy
Speaker 2: Rich Asians? Saw the movie with you? No? No, I
Speaker 2: actually saw it with my family, and my sister and
Speaker 2: I got into a huge screaming fight in the lobby
Speaker 2: because my dad's phone kept going off and he refused
Speaker 2: to turn it off, and it's like, who the fuck
Speaker 2: is calling you? And then I guess I was too
Speaker 2: mean to him, and my sister and I screamed at
Speaker 2: each other and my whole family ditched me. And I
Speaker 2: had taken Uber to meet my friend's baby and went
Speaker 2: to build a bear and that was that. So I
Speaker 2: remember Crazy Rich Asians very well, and you were out
Speaker 2: there but out of the book. But I love in
Speaker 2: the beginning when like, the London hotel is racist to
Speaker 2: them and didn't want to give them a room, and
Speaker 2: then she just called her husband and he bought the
Speaker 2: hotel and then she was like, yeah, I'm the new
Speaker 2: owner of the hotel. Bitch, what are you gonna do now?
Speaker 1: It's like, how do you heighten the Julia Roberts moment
Speaker 1: from Pretty Woman. That's how you do it, That's how
Speaker 1: you do it. It's like, huge mistake, huge, I own
Speaker 1: the hotel. Now yeah, and now.
Speaker 2: You're fired, you racist pieces shit? Oh god? And what
Speaker 2: else am I doing? I'm looking for gold hoops because
Speaker 2: Emma Chamberlain wears gold hoops. And now I'm buying gold hoops.
Speaker 2: And that's that. How old is she again? She just
Speaker 2: set her twentieth birthday twentieth, Yes, but she's okay. Eveton's
Speaker 2: like spokesperson, and you know, I love Louis Vaton. And
Speaker 2: she also just sold her house in West Hollywood, staying
Speaker 2: in a rental while her new house is getting remodeled.
Speaker 2: So she is twenty. But let's be honest. She's gold
Speaker 2: for twenty. Yeah, she's gold. And I learned from her.
Speaker 2: She's I'm like, oh yeah, parchment paper on the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh now, nutritional yeast on the Brussels sprout's nice, So
Speaker 2: I do learn from her, Like long, same plane, We're
Speaker 2: on the same nutritional yeast. I feel like I've had before.
Speaker 2: It kind of has like a cheesy taste to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's for vegans. It's yeah, you get nutrition, but it
Speaker 2: tastes cheesy. So I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I used it when I was on
Speaker 1: a pre wedding diet at one point, and I went
Speaker 1: vegan for a little while.
Speaker 2: Listen going vegan. I can't. I can't do it. I
Speaker 2: just love cheese too much. I can't. I can't go vegan.
Speaker 2: My cool rich cousins they do vegan Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh Lisa, speaking of I just am now. I know
Speaker 1: this is like an embarrassing thing to admit. I am
Speaker 1: just getting caught up on season two of Drag Race
Speaker 1: UK and bim Andi does famously walk into the work
Speaker 1: room in a vegan and goes, I'm vegan. It's like
Speaker 1: her jagline when she walks in. I'm loving this cast.
Speaker 1: They are so good. I just I love it. I
Speaker 1: think there's so many. I mean, there's barely any queens
Speaker 1: that I'm like, Okay, get rid of that. Like there's
Speaker 1: a couple that I'm like, I like you, but I
Speaker 1: know you're not moving on very far. But I am
Speaker 1: loving it. If you are a Drag Race fan and
Speaker 1: you haven't fucked with UK yet, get involved.
Speaker 2: I like the first one, but I'm loving the second one.
Speaker 2: Bing bang bong ding dang dong. I'm sorry, that's you mean.
Speaker 2: I'm not that far yet. I'm only on episode three.
Speaker 2: But I did hear the cheek, the nerve of the
Speaker 2: gall the gumption and whatever. I love taste so much.
Speaker 2: I love all drag queens, and I love everyone that
Speaker 2: I've gotten into drag race. It's just like it's a
Speaker 2: blessing on us. All.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we record our intros a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier than our episodes come out. And today is the
Speaker 1: day that California is reopening.
Speaker 2: How do you feel? I have no thought, I have
Speaker 2: no feelings. My husband worked out today at a gym
Speaker 2: without a mask on. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: going to soul cycle whatever. I don't know. Oh, I
Speaker 2: just got a text from Governor Newsom. That asshole has
Speaker 2: a text me back. Put up one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: million into the probation budget instead of passing real bail reform. Okay,
Speaker 2: do I sign the petition? Who I mean? My information
Speaker 2: is so sold all over the internet. I am getting
Speaker 2: texts and messages from everyone and everything, and they don't
Speaker 2: know what to do. I'm getting harassed, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to say. I'm gonna probably wear my
Speaker 2: mask if a store tells me to, Like, so we
Speaker 2: could just go to target without masks, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: My husband said he walked into a coffee bean today
Speaker 2: wearing a mask, and that this old guy goes, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to wear your mask anymore, and he
Speaker 2: was like okay, and they were like, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: The guy goes, I'm not going into any businesses that
Speaker 2: make me wear a mask, and Jared goes, I'm happy
Speaker 2: to wear a mask if it makes other people more comfortable,
Speaker 2: and the guy goes, well, that's where we're different. And
Speaker 2: then he started talking about how Fauci's bull ofshit, and
Speaker 2: Jared was like, goodbye, I just hate it because this
Speaker 2: was like years and years, and this was twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: I was on a flight and a woman next to
Speaker 2: me was like fully masked up everything and it's because
Speaker 2: she had an organ transplant.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People are just so stupid. And it's like, well I
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, some people have immune disorders and
Speaker 2: always have to wear a mask, or someone's going through chemo,
Speaker 2: Like back the fuck off. These people that claim to
Speaker 2: love freedom so much really love telling people what to do.
Speaker 2: And still I'm fuck Texas, fuck everyone, no, except don't
Speaker 2: get me.
Speaker 1: What about the freedom to yeah, as I say, every
Speaker 1: time I have a baby, I feel more and more
Speaker 1: pro choice.
Speaker 2: But oh, I also wanted to say I did some
Speaker 2: shows in San Diego this weekend and there was a
Speaker 2: that's messed up listener in the front row. Oh, shout
Speaker 2: out to the comedy fans. I remember her name is
Speaker 2: Grace and we chatted and this episode just a reminder,
Speaker 2: is coming out on the twenty second, and a couple
Speaker 2: of days later.
Speaker 1: You can catch the one and Only Glitter Cheese in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: At the punchline, no helium, punchline, No in the punchline,
Speaker 1: at the punchline, what's so funny?
Speaker 2: So I'm already looking at the maps. Where's the hotel,
Speaker 2: where's the club? Where's the soul cycle? And when I
Speaker 2: pulled up the map, the Dave and Busters was already
Speaker 2: glowing like I didn't have to look it up. It remembered,
Speaker 2: It remembered, which is great.
Speaker 1: It's also like, Lisa, did you mean to type Jimmy
Speaker 1: John's that knows you so well?
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait, I'm gonna oh god, I yeah,
Speaker 2: I love sandwiches.
Speaker 4: Can I note I've never met anyone more who knows
Speaker 4: who they are than you of like you have your
Speaker 4: exact things that you love and it's amazing. Like if
Speaker 4: you could say, like what Fleasa's favorite food, I would
Speaker 4: know the answer.
Speaker 2: So you said, what's your favorite person? You know? I
Speaker 2: just think it's great. Maybe I talk too much. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Maybe people should.
Speaker 1: I think you're just loud and proud and loyal to
Speaker 1: the things that you like.
Speaker 2: Well, we also have to give a shout out. Hannah
Speaker 2: did show up to our garage sale.
Speaker 4: Yes, I bought four things from one from each person selling.
Speaker 2: I just would like to make clear.
Speaker 1: Which we basically told you you didn't have to pay anything,
Speaker 1: but you still did.
Speaker 2: So thank you for your Venmo. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: But uh, the garage sale was it a bust? I
Speaker 2: think it was a bust.
Speaker 1: No. I I made I made some money and I
Speaker 1: got you know what for me was like I also
Speaker 1: organized everything so much that I think that the garage
Speaker 1: show was great and I got to spend time with
Speaker 1: you and my friend Lauren.
Speaker 2: It was a good time. But I definitely anytime someone arrived,
Speaker 2: I felt like I'm someone at the Hallmark store, you know,
Speaker 2: like staring at them like will you get something right? No,
Speaker 2: one's been in here for a day, is like That's
Speaker 2: how I felt. Where like people would people would be
Speaker 2: like how much for this?
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, uh, four dollars, like everything I
Speaker 1: made so low, and then they when they would not
Speaker 1: buy it, I'd be like, wow, what did you want
Speaker 1: for that? Like a doll Like I don't understand, Like
Speaker 1: every my prices were bargain basement and they were again, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I sold a basketball and for two dollars and he
Speaker 1: was like okay, like he was blown away.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: At Lisa sold like you sold some spanks and the woman.
Speaker 1: Was like you were like, that's a good deal and
Speaker 1: she was like yeah, like you sold them for way
Speaker 1: too little. I sold new packaged in the box forty
Speaker 1: fifty dollars spanks for three dollars, Like I.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't understand. It's like I have the prices
Speaker 2: of the garage sales I went to as a child,
Speaker 2: like I haven't updated my prices. I'm like a diner
Speaker 2: in a sleepy beach town, Like I just don't know
Speaker 2: what's happening in the outside world. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: also do need to give a shout out to my
Speaker 2: our favorite new show called Hacks because they sent me
Speaker 2: a press box and wow, it was so good. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to wear out my Hack's silk robe. Watch
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Speaker 1: Yeah, written and directed by a friends of mine that
Speaker 1: I love, and I love the show and I cannot
Speaker 1: speak more highly about Hacks. I toldal these I was
Speaker 1: like putting off watching the finale for like days because
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be over. Yeah, Hbo, Max Baby,
Speaker 1: everybody watch it. I need a press box next year.
Speaker 1: If you're not following me, please follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I need more followers so I can get press boxes.
Speaker 1: I need to hit ten k by this summer. This
Speaker 1: is an important deadline.
Speaker 2: Why should we jump into the to the episode we should?
Speaker 2: We should also say that Oscar is wearing a special
Speaker 2: shirt today. Yes, if you maybe, I'll post it.
Speaker 1: I'll post it in the stories when this episode comes out.
Speaker 1: He is wearing a very special Bravo themed thing. And
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Speaker 2: Also a message to all of you from Oscar, Hulu
Speaker 2: is wrong. We are right.
Speaker 1: We are always double checking what the episode number is.
Speaker 1: Thank you for those of you that write us and say, actually,
Speaker 1: you have the episode number wrong.
Speaker 2: We don't. Hulu has them wrong.
Speaker 1: Hulu will put like a double episode, they'll put it
Speaker 1: in as one as one numbered episode. And that's not
Speaker 1: the way that, like the fandom works, that's not really
Speaker 1: the way that IMDb works, like, so that is what
Speaker 1: we go with. So if you're watching on Hulu, just
Speaker 1: check the name of the episode so you're not watching
Speaker 1: the wrong episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, choose who you're going to be loyal to us
Speaker 2: or Hulu. It can't be both. The hell has whoo
Speaker 2: ever done for you? Okay, but we love you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for you know, trying to inform us all the time. Also, okay,
Speaker 2: and listen, I know everyone wants to chat about the
Speaker 2: releasey Kiss. I haven't seen it yet. I told you
Speaker 2: I'm deep into Laguna Beach. I'm living my fantasies. And
Speaker 2: so we'll talk about the Kiss in either two weeks,
Speaker 2: eight weeks next year. I don't know. You have to
Speaker 2: just keep listening to see when Lisa is going to
Speaker 2: drop her opinion about the releasey kiss, I've seen it.
Speaker 2: I'm happy. Yeah, I'm going how do you feel? And
Speaker 2: how do you feel?
Speaker 1: You know, it was like I don't care about releasi,
Speaker 1: but it was like a little bit of like a
Speaker 1: thrill when you.
Speaker 2: Saw it happen.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, wow, Yeah, now I'm excited. Now
Speaker 1: I'm more interested to see what they where they go
Speaker 1: next season.
Speaker 2: Because to me, it makes me feel like Amanda's worked
Speaker 2: on her issues, realized she deserves a great partner like Carees.
Speaker 2: Carrees put in the work, made his dreams happen, and
Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see what's up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his last girlfriend seemed like she was just
Speaker 1: canceling all the time because she was busy being an advocate.
Speaker 2: All right, listen, I.
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Speaker 2: Also, can anyone hit me up on how to make
Speaker 2: sure your period doesn't make you a fucking lunatic every month?
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Is there any root I can
Speaker 2: chew on? Like? What do I do? Every I just
Speaker 2: fall into the deepest depression, can't do anything, and then
Speaker 2: I it's like, I know it's my period, but I
Speaker 2: cannot do anything about it. So if you have a potion,
Speaker 2: let me know. All right, I'm just bloated and sad
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Speaker 1: Does kind of tie into this episode, because we do
Speaker 1: talk about menstrual sex in this episode. So let's go,
Speaker 1: let's dive right into this week's episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. I'm so excited. Smut Season ten,
Speaker 2: episode ten. I love this episode. Good, Yeah, it is
Speaker 2: a good one. There's a lot of twists and turns,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's a the Neil Barriers. So I'm
Speaker 2: sold to be here. The episode opens up on the
Speaker 2: Horrors of Motherhood Jake, but it's like a woman in
Speaker 2: overhead pushing a stroller. Her son's, you know, walking a
Speaker 2: dog that's giant, and he's not going to be able
Speaker 2: to control the dog, and so the dog starts pulling
Speaker 2: the boy and she's like, ah, So she the stroller
Speaker 2: at the top of a rocky hill. We're at a
Speaker 2: park in New York, and she runs down to go
Speaker 2: chase after her son and the giant dog, and they
Speaker 2: zoom in on the baby with haunting music, and so
Speaker 2: obviously we're like, okay, the baby's about to be kidnapped.
Speaker 2: This sucks. Being a mom is hard. But and so
Speaker 2: the baby starts shrieking and the mom was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: and so she turns around and then the mom sees
Speaker 2: that someone is approaching the baby, and we see like
Speaker 2: a woman in the back and there's like a trench coat,
Speaker 2: and so the mom leaves the other kid and the
Speaker 2: dog and runs up to go to the baby, and
Speaker 2: we see that the woman in the trench coat does
Speaker 2: not want to snatch the baby, hurt the baby. She's
Speaker 2: moving kind of slow, we don't know what's happening. And
Speaker 2: then we see she's an only lingerie underneath. We're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's strange, but you look fucking incredible. Do you have
Speaker 2: the best body I've ever seen in my life? Maybe?
Speaker 2: And then there's blood running down her thighs and she
Speaker 2: falls over against a fence, breathing hard. So that sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did feel for that mom.
Speaker 1: I was like taking a toddler and a new baby
Speaker 1: and a big ass dog on a walk in New York.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. My favorite is when Karen I
Speaker 2: went to Chicago for a friend's bachelorette party, her friend
Speaker 2: who has how many kids? My friend has four kids,
Speaker 2: and took Rosie and took all of them to the aquarium. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she took them all to the shad Aquarium.
Speaker 1: She's like such a super mom that she was kind
Speaker 1: of like, I just want to see if I can
Speaker 1: do it, And she had like coupons and she's like,
Speaker 1: the shed is so expensive. I want to like, but
Speaker 1: I figured out a way that I can get all
Speaker 1: these kids in for like nothing, and I want to
Speaker 1: see if I can do it like and so she
Speaker 1: fucking did it. But I would I would die. And
Speaker 1: they don't have a dog. My friend has a dog
Speaker 1: with like three kids, and the dog's always jumping out
Speaker 1: the window. It's just I could not add a dog
Speaker 1: to my life. But I respect dog. I mean a
Speaker 1: massive dog. I could add a small dog to my life.
Speaker 2: Also shout out to the Shedd aquariumm one of the
Speaker 2: best places on the planet. And so we're now at
Speaker 2: the hospital and we find out that the victim is
Speaker 2: Kelly's son. She was raped and beaten and was found
Speaker 2: walking in Riverside Park. She was wandering around for hours,
Speaker 2: according to the damage on her feet. And this is
Speaker 2: all told to us by a doctor that looks like
Speaker 2: he should be on Baywatch, just like very blonde surfer
Speaker 2: baby Vibes. So Kelly's son is played by Kelly, who
Speaker 2: which must have been nice. You know, Kelly, Kelly, you
Speaker 2: don't have to learn a new name. A beautiful actress.
Speaker 2: And so she wakes up and she starts screaming and
Speaker 2: thrashing about missing a plane. She has to be in
Speaker 2: Korea on Friday, and Benson and Stabler tell her like, hey, baby, girl,
Speaker 2: today is Friday. You were attacked, you were raped, Like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And she says, I don't remember anything,
Speaker 2: so she remembers nothing. Benson and Stabler are trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out, so they're having chats in the hallway.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, what's worse not remembering your attack or
Speaker 2: not being able to forget the attack? Great question, Benson,
Speaker 2: real party starter. Yeah, this should be the new get
Speaker 2: to know you game? Would you rather well? I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. I think if it's better to
Speaker 2: not remember your attack than to not be able to
Speaker 2: forget it, But that's just my opinion. She says that
Speaker 2: she's a travel writer, and she's like, so tough. How
Speaker 2: did she let this happen. Benson goes, it's not your
Speaker 2: fault and you were drugged. You were probably drugged, that's
Speaker 2: why you don't remember. And Kelly just keeps blaming herself.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so stupid. I'm so stupid, and Benson,
Speaker 2: you know the classic, it's not your fault, girl, You're
Speaker 2: not stupid for being attacked. So Benson is so good
Speaker 2: at her job. She says, Kelly, stop focusing on what
Speaker 2: you don't remember, and let's get to what you do
Speaker 2: remember and so we can like figure out what happened
Speaker 2: to you. So Kelly remembers packing for her trip to Korea.
Speaker 2: She remembers running errands. She went to Chinatown around noon,
Speaker 2: she ran into a guy named Riley Slate coming out
Speaker 2: of the subway and their friendemies. They both work with
Speaker 2: the same publisher, and Kelly turned him in for lying
Speaker 2: about a book saying he was an Indome when he
Speaker 2: was never in Indonesia. So could the rapist be Riley?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously not. We watch the show enough we
Speaker 2: know that this is not going to be the guy.
Speaker 2: But we go to see Riley slay and it's Ryan
Speaker 2: Dunn from Jackass Bam Margera days. I used to have
Speaker 2: the biggest crush on him. He was my number one
Speaker 2: of the Bam Margera crew. He is sadly not alive
Speaker 2: anymore because of a car crash, and it's really sad,
Speaker 2: but he's amazing. And for those who don't know, he
Speaker 2: was in the first Jackass movie. He's the one that
Speaker 2: put the car up his ass and then went to
Speaker 2: the doctor to get an X ray and was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. So that's Ryan Dunne a true hero
Speaker 2: and I loved seeing him, and so Stabler and him
Speaker 2: chit chat. Stabler says, t VO. So that's you know
Speaker 2: very much that place is you?
Speaker 1: If that places you in the very Miranda Hobbs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very Miranda Hobbs.
Speaker 2: This is season ten, baby TVO is huge. Ryan On
Speaker 2: reveals that Kelly's works as a courier to get free
Speaker 2: round trip tickets to the places she wrote about. So
Speaker 2: the detectives had to a courier agency that Kelly worked at.
Speaker 2: So thank you, Ryan Dunn for some evidence. And you
Speaker 2: know our time stamps happen. And it's Halloween. It's Friday,
Speaker 2: October thirty. First Halloween on a Friday is fun too,
Speaker 2: It's so fun. But like, why isn't there any spiderwebs
Speaker 2: on the set? Why are there no pumpkins? Like there
Speaker 2: was no evidence that it's a holiday at Like, no
Speaker 2: one in a costume, no one with a little pin
Speaker 2: or a sweater. I don't understand, because they're like revealing
Speaker 2: this that it's I just I'm never going to not
Speaker 2: pay attention to this time those things anymore. So the
Speaker 2: boss is more concerned about the package than Kelly. So
Speaker 2: you're like, what an asshole? But then the package is
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars worth of diamonds. What that's so
Speaker 2: the Chipmunk movie. Remember the Chipmunk movie?
Speaker 1: Now, did you ever watch a Chipmunk movie where the
Speaker 1: Chipmunks and versus the chip beets and they go around
Speaker 1: the world in hot air balloons and they've got these
Speaker 1: they've got to collect these little beanie dolls of themselves.
Speaker 2: But it turns out that the dolls are stuffed with diamonds.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, please, if you're a fan of the
Speaker 1: Chipmunk movie, right to me and the DMS.
Speaker 2: I love the Chipmunk movie so much. I like the Chipmunks.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put a story up of it. No, the
Speaker 1: Chipmunk Movie was one of my favorite things ever.
Speaker 2: And this is not the live action. This is a
Speaker 2: car no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It's a cartoon with the original character and they just
Speaker 1: go all around the world. It was like, how I
Speaker 1: learned about so many places they go to, all these countries, Like,
Speaker 1: I loved it so much.
Speaker 2: That's so cute. Maybe when you show Rosie I'll come over.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So that's a twist, right. The
Speaker 2: diamonds are a twist. Did someone fuck with Kelly to
Speaker 2: like rob her of these diamonds? Who knew that she
Speaker 2: had these diamonds? Benson is with Kelly, come on, he
Speaker 2: should have told me this information. And Kelly really can't
Speaker 2: believe she doesn't have the diamonds, and she's really scared
Speaker 2: and she's like, how am I going to replace it?
Speaker 2: Benson says it's okay, insurance will cover it, but like,
Speaker 2: let's start over and tell me everything so we can
Speaker 2: find out what happened to you. So Kelly now remembers
Speaker 2: going into a car going to the airport. She had
Speaker 2: a boarding pass, but doesn't remember if she made it
Speaker 2: past security or not. So we're with Taru. We're with
Speaker 2: Reuben Morales and he's back at the precinct going through
Speaker 2: video footage from the airport. So they see her go
Speaker 2: to the gate and then she goes to the layover
Speaker 2: lounge and she's in the bar and she's getting cozy
Speaker 2: with the dude at the bar. They're chit chatting and
Speaker 2: you can tell he's making some moves and so her
Speaker 2: purse falls and she bends down to grab it, and
Speaker 2: in that moment they can see that he's going to
Speaker 2: go drug her drink, but like a server with a
Speaker 2: tray walks past and blocks the camera angle, so we
Speaker 2: can't see drugged.
Speaker 1: There are barely servers at the airport anyway, go on.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was like a giant tray. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a really big tray. So she finishes her drink
Speaker 2: and she's not stumbling, so it's not GHB or anything,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't look like he's forcing the situation. But
Speaker 2: she leaves with him, gets in a cab after checking
Speaker 2: a bag, and so what is going on? And she
Speaker 2: just leaves with him. So they're going to use the
Speaker 2: trip records from the cab company to see where he
Speaker 2: took her. And they end up at the residence of
Speaker 2: a man named Eric Lutz. And it is still Halloween.
Speaker 1: Still no one is respecting the holiday of Halloween and
Speaker 1: no one is celebrating it.
Speaker 2: A massus is leaving the house of a nice ass
Speaker 2: brown stone on the Upper West Side and the guy,
Speaker 2: Eric has an unbuttoned purple dress shirt and his hair
Speaker 2: is like douche. She but it's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to describe it, but you could tell it's a douche.
Speaker 2: So they go in and they try to figure out
Speaker 2: what happened, and he's really kind of playing it. He's
Speaker 2: playing it cool. He's like, yeah, I mean I met
Speaker 2: a hot girl. Why would I say no, we had
Speaker 2: a great time. Nothing's happening. They're having a back and
Speaker 2: forth until he finally feels threatened enough to say, you know,
Speaker 2: I can call a lawyer. And Stabler's really funny here
Speaker 2: and he's like, nah, don't do it. And then they
Speaker 2: find Kelly's bag in the house and they look through
Speaker 2: it and they find all of these diamonds, and so
Speaker 2: they let him know, like, hey, bro, you shouldn't just
Speaker 2: leave all these diamonds lying around. And so I thought
Speaker 2: that was cool, But would you have stolen the diamonds?
Speaker 2: Probably I would have stolen the diamonds. So we're at
Speaker 2: the precinct and it's Kara's favorite Da Graylick and she's
Speaker 2: and she's with Stabler and Benson and they're looking at
Speaker 2: the diamonds and Kim is doing like the bad guy
Speaker 2: at it of like maybe she's in on the robbery,
Speaker 2: maybe she left them on purpose. There's no evidence of
Speaker 2: the rape, and Benson is just like, you're a dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: shut up, like stop thinking like a lawyer. Elliott gets
Speaker 2: a phone call that there's no evidence of drugs in
Speaker 2: her system and it's a clear talk screen and Benson
Speaker 2: just knows that this guy raped her. She is a
Speaker 2: professional and she knows something is up. And Kim says,
Speaker 2: but why doesn't she remember if something happens. So they
Speaker 2: really have to like figure out what is happening. So
Speaker 2: they go back to the hospital to show Kelly the
Speaker 2: footage from the airport to see if that would jog
Speaker 2: her memory. And as they arrive, the fucking guy, Eric
Speaker 2: Lutz is they're visiting her. Holy shit. So Benson and
Speaker 2: Stable are pissed and they say get out of here.
Speaker 2: Kelly says, wait, who are you? And Eric said that
Speaker 2: Eric told security that it's her boyfriend. Kelly goes, I
Speaker 2: don't know you. And then finally like she figures out
Speaker 2: who this man is. He's like, well, you don't remember me, baby,
Speaker 2: and it clicks and Kelly's like, holy shit, you raped me.
Speaker 2: She starts screaming and she throws a vase of flowers
Speaker 2: at him and they like crash everywhere. So Stable is
Speaker 2: now in the interrogation room with Eric and Benson is
Speaker 2: still at the hospital with Kelly. So it's like, I
Speaker 2: love when they do these orthodox jew gender role splits,
Speaker 2: you know, the boys go chat and the girls go chat.
Speaker 2: Feels like Russiashana at North. So she says she would
Speaker 2: never leave with a strange man, and he says, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I was surprised too, but I'm not going
Speaker 2: to turn down to bang a hottie. Ice t comes
Speaker 2: in with some scoop and says that there's blood that
Speaker 2: matches Kelly's on the bed sheets. He says it's it
Speaker 2: was her time of the month. I'm not a deal
Speaker 2: breaker for him, so he is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a feminist. Then Melinda does confirm that it was menstruation blood,
Speaker 2: so that kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: Can I just like interrupt for one second, Like somebody
Speaker 1: has to be so fucking hot and you have to
Speaker 1: be so excited to hook up with them to leave
Speaker 1: an airport and.
Speaker 2: Miss your flight.
Speaker 1: They're through security, their bags are checked, and they're leaving
Speaker 1: the airport.
Speaker 2: To go have sex.
Speaker 1: You can't find a bathroom or I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it just seems kind of don't you miss have places
Speaker 1: to be I'm so confused.
Speaker 2: I don't care. That's why this is evidence in Benson
Speaker 2: knows right, of course, it is really crazy you would
Speaker 2: exchange numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, him acting like, oh, we just met each other.
Speaker 1: It's like you're not in the East Village, You're at JFK.
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to leave and go like it's
Speaker 1: just not happening. It's not plausible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can meet up after your flights, because I
Speaker 2: wonder where his flight was too. Yeah, it's like, give
Speaker 2: me your number, let's bang when we're back in New York. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go into a period rampage.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well I no, no, no, definitely bled
Speaker 2: on strangers. I have had period times. Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 2: then Melinda saw a lead in the Clues and she
Speaker 2: basically like looks at his flight schedules and he was
Speaker 2: going down to Columbia a bunch, and so she tests
Speaker 2: Kelly's blood for scopolamine and hit the jackpot, and Finn
Speaker 2: knows all about it. He calls it the Colombian Devil's breath.
Speaker 2: It makes people controllable, so you like you're lucid and
Speaker 2: you're doing stuff, but you're very controllable and you can't
Speaker 2: say no, and it blocks memory formation. So it's not
Speaker 2: like she can't recall, but the memory just doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: It was never made. So we jump back to Benson
Speaker 2: and Stable in a team of people searching Eric's house
Speaker 2: trying to find evidence of him purchasing the drug, and
Speaker 2: they have to find something quickly because he's trying to
Speaker 2: get on a flight right now, and Benson's like, we
Speaker 2: cannot let him leave the country. If he leaves the country,
Speaker 2: he will get away with us. And Stabler's going through
Speaker 2: the credit card report and sounds like a good time.
Speaker 2: I am loving his purchases. He's a no boot delicious,
Speaker 2: give me that blackma, so cad He's going to Tiffany's. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm wearing a Tiffany's bracelet right now. Barney's never been,
Speaker 2: never shopped there, but I would like to. So I
Speaker 2: like this guy. Just off his credit card report. There's
Speaker 2: literally no other reason to like him. He looks like
Speaker 2: such a fucking douche. No, he's the worst person ever,
Speaker 2: But I mean I was like, yeah, okay, shot baby.
Speaker 2: So Ruben Morales is going through his computer hard drive
Speaker 2: and finds a bunch of like rape porn and he
Speaker 2: has over two hundred thousand picks in videos and then
Speaker 2: in an encrypted partition on his hard drive there, which
Speaker 2: is something I say often. This wasn't what they said
Speaker 2: on the show. I actually just use encrypted partition on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. I actually didn't know what partition meant
Speaker 2: until the Beyonce song. Did you You didn't know what
Speaker 2: the word partition meant? No, I had, like after the
Speaker 2: song came out, I go, what is that? And then
Speaker 2: I learned, So Beyonce is great an educator, an educator.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I want to just be I don't even
Speaker 2: need to meet her. I just want to look at
Speaker 2: her what it could be. Second, I just want to
Speaker 2: like have a whiff of perfume go past me or something.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So you were saying on the encrypted partition on his
Speaker 1: hard drive.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, I just got I got transfixed into thinking
Speaker 2: about Beyonce and I can't get back to the episode.
Speaker 2: So he has a video of him raping and five
Speaker 2: videos total of him attacking other women. So there's four
Speaker 2: other attacks and the videos are really fucked up, and
Speaker 2: they're in a bed and the videos happening from above.
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming like the women didn't know that they
Speaker 2: were being taped, but the attacks are on camera. He
Speaker 2: is a serial rapist. Kelly watches the video of her
Speaker 2: rape and it's really fucked up, and I feel really
Speaker 2: bad for her. So they're back in the interrogation room
Speaker 2: and Stabler is showing the photos two of the rape
Speaker 2: videos to Eric and he's saying that all the women
Speaker 2: consented and wanted it, and then bust down the door.
Speaker 2: Defense attorney at time. We have a blonde bombshell. She
Speaker 2: has like a giant pearl necklace, so we know that
Speaker 2: she's rich. And it's the attorney's name is Hillary Renier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is Christine Ebersol, who is kind of
Speaker 1: just like a I think she's a Broadway legend.
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like as well, and I assume she
Speaker 2: was in like eight hundred episodes, but this is the
Speaker 2: only one and only.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's like a Bernadette where it's like, I feel
Speaker 1: like you've been on many views, but you've only been
Speaker 1: on one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, but she was in Search Party. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: Porscha's mom. Yeah, so that's exciting because I did just
Speaker 2: watch that and you know, you know the drill, she's
Speaker 2: like stopped talking to my client. Oh yeah, she's won
Speaker 2: too tonys. Sorry, I mean she's won two tonys. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: let me Yeah, that's something to interrupt for. Are you
Speaker 2: kidding me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's won two Tonys, So she is. I knew
Speaker 1: she was like a Broadway baby. Yeah wow.
Speaker 2: So Hillary Ranier and Kim Gray like run into each
Speaker 2: other in the hallway and they know each other and
Speaker 2: they have kind of like a back and forth, which
Speaker 2: I appreciate. So it's gonna be a real blonde bombshell
Speaker 2: showdown in the courtroom. Kelly is also at the precinct.
Speaker 2: They always love to do it, like they love to
Speaker 2: just put victims and suspects, just running them up. And
Speaker 2: Kelly of course, is like, how are you letting him leave?
Speaker 2: He raped me? And Benson goes, I know, we need
Speaker 2: to build a case, girl. So Kim Grayleck says, we
Speaker 2: need to id the other women off those tapes and
Speaker 2: have them cooperate to take this fucker down, Like one
Speaker 2: of them has to have remembered. So we're watching another
Speaker 2: video of the rape on camera. It's really tough to watch.
Speaker 2: I'm not loving this. The women are screaming. He's making
Speaker 2: them say things like I fucking hate it. And then
Speaker 2: so thank god, Beadwong is there, doctor George Wang, and
Speaker 2: he has some scoop for us, and he gives his thoughts.
Speaker 2: He says, this is a classic serial rapist, deeply insecure
Speaker 2: and rapes women to feel powerful. He depersonalizes them and
Speaker 2: turns them into passive sex objects and then takes control
Speaker 2: in the moment and for the future. So then Kim
Speaker 2: graylic has one of the worst ideas ever uttered on
Speaker 2: this show. She goes, Okay, clean up the footage and
Speaker 2: release the faces to the media, and then we'll get
Speaker 2: IDs for the women. And it's like, are you fucking nuts?
Speaker 2: That's a yeah, that's truly twisted. You're gonna take stills
Speaker 2: of a rape of women and just go, hey, these
Speaker 2: women were rape. Let us know if you know them.
Speaker 2: Are you lose your job? Bitch, lose your job. I
Speaker 2: don't know how Benson Din slapper across the face with
Speaker 2: that idea, honestly, but I see comes in with some
Speaker 2: good news and Morales found embedded time and date stamps,
Speaker 2: So this is really helpful. So they're going to run
Speaker 2: those time and date stamps against his financials to find
Speaker 2: some patterns before. So then before he attacks victim number two,
Speaker 2: he spent eight hundred dollars at a Exquisite Express, which
Speaker 2: is an escort service, and the website is terrible. He's like,
Speaker 2: such a bad looking website. There's like it's gray with
Speaker 2: pink cursive and hearts and you can build your own
Speaker 2: dream girl on the site. So they start putting in
Speaker 2: the information of the victim into the site, and Stabler
Speaker 2: says the cup size was a sea of this woman
Speaker 2: to like plug into this ideal woman maker. And Finn
Speaker 2: moves so fast, like I've never seen him move that fast,
Speaker 2: and he's like it's a d I've got a good eye.
Speaker 2: So and yeah, he knows about titties. So they find
Speaker 2: Denise on the website and it does look like they're victims.
Speaker 2: So they cut to Denise in a red dress waiting
Speaker 2: and a white linen table type restaurant and Stabler comes
Speaker 2: in to get information. The only thing I'm mad at
Speaker 2: is that Stabler is like not undercover sugar Daddy style.
Speaker 1: No, it's very reminiscent of sugar and it's like he's
Speaker 1: not like it's yeah, he's not undercover, but he's it
Speaker 1: feels similar, like the vibe of this combo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Denise just says, listen, it's your average siko.
Speaker 2: He's really into the act, you know. No means yes,
Speaker 2: like he liked the forcing stuff. He paid me, but
Speaker 2: he had trouble keeping it up. So the obvious conclusion
Speaker 2: is he needs real rape victims to like get his
Speaker 2: dick hard, because he doesn't. He needs it to be
Speaker 2: more real because he's watched too much porn. So it's
Speaker 2: a real taru heavy episode. Morales is in and out constantly,
Speaker 2: so Eric they can tell through his phone tracing stuff
Speaker 2: that he was in Grand Central with victim one. The
Speaker 2: next victim, he was at the gym a bunch. There's
Speaker 2: a gymid photo that matches the victim's photo and it's
Speaker 2: Laurel Andrews. So they head over to Forest Hills Queen's
Speaker 2: to talk to Laurel. And I just have to.
Speaker 1: Interject here and tell you that I am friends with
Speaker 1: this girl in real life.
Speaker 2: No way, Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: We took improv together in New York and we are.
Speaker 1: She doesn't live in like New York or la anymore,
Speaker 1: but like we are Facebook friends.
Speaker 2: That's amazing news. She does a great job in this
Speaker 2: she is great. She has no memory of anything and
Speaker 2: says it's impossible and just it's like it didn't happen,
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. And they're like, we have it on video,
Speaker 2: and she's like a And then the husband comes in,
Speaker 2: and you know, the wives always want to hide shit
Speaker 2: from their husbands, and the kid is there, so the
Speaker 2: husband asks what's up and Stabler I was about to
Speaker 2: try to explain it, and Benson goes we are leaving
Speaker 2: and they both leave and Stabler's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Why did you do that? And Benson, I'm on Benson's
Speaker 2: side this whole time, says this woman has no idea
Speaker 2: she was attacked, Like if we do this to her,
Speaker 2: we are giving all these memories. Like as of now,
Speaker 2: she is not a victim. I know if we play
Speaker 2: her the video, she will be a victim, like why
Speaker 2: were you so fast and loose? Stabler? So there are
Speaker 2: just like lying and Stabler's like yeah, but if we
Speaker 2: don't figure this out, like he will get away with
Speaker 2: it and rape again. So they have to now try
Speaker 2: to find victim number four. And according to the phone,
Speaker 2: it's something like something to do with the Norman Dy hotel.
Speaker 2: Grayle and Stabler want to ruin Laurel's life, and Benson
Speaker 2: wants to protect Laurel and then just get a detail
Speaker 2: on Eric to make sure he doesn't hurt anyone and
Speaker 2: like follow him. Stabler behind Benson in everyone's back, goes
Speaker 2: to Laurel's house. Her husband answers the door and he
Speaker 2: legit is like, your wife's attacked, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: show you the video, and just shows the husband the video.
Speaker 2: I'm like livid, Ugh, it's really bad Elliot moves. It's
Speaker 2: really bad.
Speaker 1: I'm in the top ten list of fucked up Elliott Moves.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is up there. Yeah, because now
Speaker 2: it's not even like you're even dealing with Laurel. You're
Speaker 2: like straight up breaking all the rules and just going
Speaker 2: and showing a video of this man's wife being raped
Speaker 2: to him, and to show.
Speaker 1: It to him and not her, like I you know,
Speaker 1: like that just he's like, I'll go through the husband's
Speaker 1: because husbands control wives. Like that's basically what his mindset is.
Speaker 1: If I show the husband, he'll help me get to
Speaker 1: the woman. Yeah, his Catholicism is showing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Laurel's husband starts to cry, which is understandable,
Speaker 2: and also he's like, why did she lie it to me?
Speaker 2: And it's not about you get over yourself, okay. So
Speaker 2: Laura walks in, sees the video on the laptop screen says, oh, no,
Speaker 2: it's me, and it's just I'm pissed. So then we
Speaker 2: cut to Benson walking into the precinct and she's so
Speaker 2: mad you could tell her hair is swinging back and
Speaker 2: forth as she walks, and she lets Elliott fucking have it.
Speaker 2: So Benson goes to Queens to talk to Laurel, and
Speaker 2: Laurel is what really teary eyed, looking into the distance
Speaker 2: and holding her sweater clothes, and Benson let her know
Speaker 2: that she was assaulted a few months ago while she
Speaker 2: was undercover and is being very vulnerable with Laurel and
Speaker 2: trying to connect to her, and she just says, like
Speaker 2: admitting it happen helps, Like we can get him behind bar,
Speaker 2: you'll go to counseling. And Laurel says like, oh, are
Speaker 2: you over it now? And she says I'll never be
Speaker 2: over it, but I can live with it now and
Speaker 2: I can have my life back. It's just sad. It's
Speaker 2: like this woman didn't know anything, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, but as we learn, as we get a little farther,
Speaker 1: she sort of had hints like it was sort of
Speaker 1: like almost like a dream in her mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Yeah, so it's probably is good to
Speaker 2: get some closure on that. I don't know. Laurel says
Speaker 2: she met Eric once at a juice bar at the gym,
Speaker 2: and the next thing she remembers is waking up at
Speaker 2: home with sore legs and like bruises. So Benson says Laurel, like,
Speaker 2: you're going to need to testify girl, and then he'll
Speaker 2: go to prison, and this is the only way to
Speaker 2: stop him. And she does agree to that. But of course,
Speaker 2: as avid SV watchers, we know something will be fucked up.
Speaker 2: There's no way there's not going to be a fuck up.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Stabler go to arrest Eric and they
Speaker 2: read him iss, Miranda writes, and we're now in court
Speaker 2: and he pleads non guilty, and now he he pleads
Speaker 2: not gainst. He pleads not guilty for mental disease or
Speaker 2: insanity as his defense as because of his porn addiction
Speaker 2: and thousands of hours of rape, porn fucked up his
Speaker 2: mind and it's judge Mornoch baby canon. So we're back
Speaker 2: at the precinct and we're discussing porn and Benson is like,
Speaker 2: you know, so many perps love porn and porn is terrible,
Speaker 2: and Finn's like, I love porn, and Benson's like, after
Speaker 2: everything you see, you go and watch women get degraded,
Speaker 2: and Finn's like, not all women feel the way you do.
Speaker 2: My girl loves watching porn with me. And then Benson says,
Speaker 2: like all this stuff can make Jenna Jamison gag and
Speaker 2: Finn goes, that's hard to do. I love that Finn
Speaker 2: is ahead of his time. I mean, he really is.
Speaker 2: I love Finn more and more every time I do
Speaker 2: a recap and like investigate him. He is so awesome.
Speaker 2: I I'm just happy. Okay. So Finn also starts talking
Speaker 2: about female porn producers and Stabler says, no, that's wrong,
Speaker 2: that's just like women trying to become pimps, and Finn
Speaker 2: again stealing my heart, goes lighten up, choir boy like
Speaker 2: so funny. So we're at trial part sixty seven. It's
Speaker 2: December fifth, and they always say how like all of
Speaker 2: this move's kind of fast. But from Halloween to December.
Speaker 2: That's a couple months that seems realistic. Maybe yes, no
Speaker 2: lawyers dm us. There's a pro on the stand and
Speaker 2: it's like a doctor who researches how porn like fucks
Speaker 2: with your body chemicals. And then of course Graylic is
Speaker 2: going to do her job and discredit this professional and
Speaker 2: cut her off and just be like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2: But the porn pro says, like, it's like alcoholics. Some
Speaker 2: people can consume alcohol and some people are alcoholics, and
Speaker 2: that's just what it is. Eric takes the stand and
Speaker 2: is telling a sob story about how porn took over
Speaker 2: his life. Kelly, Laurel, and Benson are like sitting in
Speaker 2: the seats, what is it the audience, They're in the
Speaker 2: galley or whatever, the galley the galley, okay, so they're
Speaker 2: like watching it and they look pissed as hell. And
Speaker 2: Grayleck is about to have probably our most famous moment
Speaker 2: during the run of her show. She plays one of
Speaker 2: the videos of the rape of Laurel, and Laurel runs
Speaker 2: out of the courtroom and Benson follows her out and
Speaker 2: Eric keeps asking for it to be turned off, and
Speaker 2: gray Like says, why don't you love it. You love
Speaker 2: the feeling of a woman fighting and trying to get
Speaker 2: away from you, don't you. And Eric screams at her
Speaker 2: and stands up as he screams and he has a boner,
Speaker 2: and Kim says, because that's not an objection you're raising
Speaker 2: he got got. Yeah. Now, this next part, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say is confusing, unrealistic. I don't understand it. I don't
Speaker 2: get it at all. But I guess they somehow find
Speaker 2: out that Judge Mordock has videos on his computer that
Speaker 2: are just like suggestive, and one is a dolphin humping
Speaker 2: a man on a dock, so his objectivity goes out
Speaker 2: the window because he loves lude jokes. And Graylick is like, fuck,
Speaker 2: we have to like end the trial because if we
Speaker 2: get a verdict and then this comes out and there
Speaker 2: could be a mistrial. Like I don't understand this at all.
Speaker 1: It seems really weird because it's not like they found
Speaker 1: rape porn on his you know computer that would not
Speaker 1: become sympathetic to this person on trial, Like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a silly dolphin video like where he said he
Speaker 1: didn't even like somebody sent him and he just opened
Speaker 1: it up. I mean, in this case, I always, nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten I don't believe somebody sent me
Speaker 1: something and I just opened it.
Speaker 2: But in this case with Judge Murdock, I kind of believe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's old as shit. Barry Rothbart used to have a
Speaker 2: really funny joke about like if you go to the
Speaker 2: police to be like this dolphin raped me, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: you want to put him on the stand, take the
Speaker 2: dolphin to jail. What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: Like we're because dolphins do dolphins are known to rape people.
Speaker 1: But Barry Rothbart has the definitive joke on dolphin rape.
Speaker 2: If you're interested in his stand up. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: really really fun. We actually taped our Comedy Central half
Speaker 2: hours together, so yeah, this feels like shoehorned in. I
Speaker 2: just don't care. So basically, like they go to tell
Speaker 2: Mordock this and a law clerk that he fired last
Speaker 2: year is fucking with him and like snuck into his
Speaker 2: server and found it. It wasn't like I don't I
Speaker 2: don't love this part, but basically like he has to
Speaker 2: accuse himself because if the defense gets a hold of this,
Speaker 2: it's grounds for an appeal and so they have to
Speaker 2: do this. So then Laurel barges into the precinct matt
Speaker 2: as Hell, yelling at Benson. Benson turns around and she
Speaker 2: gets slapped in the face. Yeah, Laurel slaps Benson. Probably
Speaker 2: one of the few people that's had the opportunity. I
Speaker 2: should reach out to her and ask her how that was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it was amazing. And Benson goes, it was my
Speaker 2: duty to turn in those images, and Laurel says, I'm
Speaker 2: not testifying again. That's not gonna happen. So Benson's in
Speaker 2: a messy ponytail working late, trying to find evidence on
Speaker 2: how to nail this bastard because Laurel doesn't want to
Speaker 2: work again. There's no more trial, like what is going
Speaker 2: to happen? So, you know, I love when they kind
Speaker 2: of look at the same evidence over and over and
Speaker 2: then something clicks. So there's a charge of Tiffany's for
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars a month before the first attack. What
Speaker 2: does this mean? What does this mean? What does this mean?
Speaker 2: And then in the photo from the first victim, they
Speaker 2: see that she has an engagement ring on, so basically
Speaker 2: that's his fiance. That's who you this ring for and
Speaker 2: he his first victim is his fiance. So Benson goes
Speaker 2: and harasses Eric on the street and messes with his
Speaker 2: head and gets him all paranoid and riled up with
Speaker 2: this new evidence of the engagement ring, and he's just
Speaker 2: eating out of the palm of her hand. So then
Speaker 2: Benson climbs into an arm unmarked van and he took
Speaker 2: the bait. Morales is now tracking the phone call he
Speaker 2: is making. And now we cut to Grayleck and Renier
Speaker 2: and Eric in an office fighting about Benson and how
Speaker 2: she's like taunting Eric and how it's not okay, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Grayleck says, the sidewalk is public and anyone can go there,
Speaker 2: and then these like French glass double doors open and
Speaker 2: in walks his former fiance, Shana Browning. Damn, she is
Speaker 2: dressed like a homeschooled religious kid. Like. She's wearing a
Speaker 2: very long jean skirt, and that is confusing to me.
Speaker 1: I guess you don't want to dress too sexy around
Speaker 1: your ex fiance who sexually assaulted you.
Speaker 2: I just unless unless God's telling you, there's no way
Speaker 2: you're wearing a floor length denim skirt. It's just not.
Speaker 2: It's just not what happens. So the way they found
Speaker 2: her is because Eric called her last night after you know,
Speaker 2: Benson played a little mind game with him, and he
Speaker 2: threatened to kill her if she told police what he
Speaker 2: did to her two years ago. She remembers everything he
Speaker 2: picked here up from Grand's Central station. He proposed on
Speaker 2: the way home, which I think is weird you're proposing
Speaker 2: in a cab okay, but then at his place he
Speaker 2: raped her over and over again. And then Eric loses
Speaker 2: it. It calls her an ungrateful bitch, and then Laurel and
Speaker 2: Kelly walk up behind Shana and it's like this girl
Speaker 2: pop group formation Powerpuff Girls pose and then he says,
Speaker 2: you sluts loved it. So he's caught. Kim says, you're
Speaker 2: getting at least twenty five years in jail, motherfucker, and
Speaker 2: he yells, you'll always remember me. I'm the best thing
Speaker 2: you've ever had. You'll never forget me. As like the
Speaker 2: three women power Water move in the hallway. It's just
Speaker 2: like a sexy strong walk and then it's Dick Wolf.
Speaker 2: So I think that was like a really good episode,
Speaker 2: and I'm scared to know what the crime is gonna
Speaker 2: be well, it's not great, but we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have some fun. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into this crime. Now, this crime.
Speaker 1: When you look up general lists of like what SVU
Speaker 1: episodes are based on, this one has like a couple
Speaker 1: of different episodes say they're based on this case. But
Speaker 1: I think it's the most strongly tied to this episode,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm choosing to have it based on.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: So this is the case of Andrew Luster, who is
Speaker 1: the son of Henry Luster and Elizabeth Luster and the
Speaker 1: great grandson of Max Factor Senior, who is a cosmetics giant.
Speaker 1: Like if you haven't heard of Max Factor makeup, it's like,
Speaker 1: here's nobody. Yeah, yeah, it's a huge, huge makeup company.
Speaker 1: This guy, Andrew Lester, grew up in Malibu. He was
Speaker 1: the heir to the Max Factor of Fortune. But because
Speaker 1: he was kind of like a beach bomb, he partied,
Speaker 1: He didn't really have ambition. He lived off his trust fund.
Speaker 1: Because of that, his connection with the family wasn't the strongest.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that the words black sheep were used
Speaker 1: multiple times to describe him.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I had a trust fund and didn't
Speaker 2: have to work. I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Working, sure, but you would p if you were from
Speaker 1: a huge fan like a Hue, if you stood to
Speaker 1: inherit a huge family fortune.
Speaker 2: You need to at least do quote unquote charity work.
Speaker 1: You need to at least do philanthropy so that they
Speaker 1: feel okay leaving you with like their billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: You know what, I didn't need even need the billions.
Speaker 2: Give it to my sibling. I'll take my trust right
Speaker 2: I am the beach.
Speaker 1: They're not going to let you just like use it
Speaker 1: on Jaegermeister. You know, like I want to know like
Speaker 1: that you're doing. They want to know that you're going
Speaker 1: to be responsible with the money. And I think this
Speaker 1: family knew this guy was not going to, so he
Speaker 1: kind of just does his own thing. He lives like
Speaker 1: in Ventura, which is like an hour or so north
Speaker 1: of LA and kind of just like a beachy town.
Speaker 1: And in two thousand, he is arrested after a college
Speaker 1: student reported that she had been raped at his home.
Speaker 1: Police searched his home and found videotapes of him assaulting
Speaker 1: three women aged sixteen to twenty one who he had
Speaker 1: drugged with GHB, So it's not scapolamine, but I will
Speaker 1: get into scapalamine later.
Speaker 2: It is GHB. Again, these men like.
Speaker 1: Committing these crimes and feeling like they have to tape it,
Speaker 1: like it's so debraved like and it's so arrogant, like
Speaker 1: you're just you.
Speaker 2: Just have to have the tape.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have gotten caught if he
Speaker 1: didn't have the tapes, because it was it was a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, probably statutal limitations and he said,
Speaker 1: she said lack of evidence, but he just had the
Speaker 1: evidence right there in his home. So the women testify
Speaker 1: that they were unaware of that they were being taped.
Speaker 1: On one tape, Lester says to the camera, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I like in my room, a passed.
Speaker 2: Out, beautiful girl. So he's a monster.
Speaker 1: So you were talking about how this goes fast, how
Speaker 1: it goes fast in SVU, like it went from like
Speaker 1: Halloween to December. This trial seemed to go a lot
Speaker 1: longer because this happened in two thousand. When he was
Speaker 1: arrested in two thousand and three, after having paid a
Speaker 1: million dollars in bail, he failed to appear in court
Speaker 1: to defend himself. His lawyer Roger, I thought you would
Speaker 1: like this, Lisa. His lawyer's name is Roger John Diamond,
Speaker 1: just like money in the last episode that one of
Speaker 1: our former episodes. These guys just out here with these
Speaker 1: ridiculous names. Diamond said Luster might have been kidnapped or
Speaker 1: seriously injured in an accident, and asked that the trial
Speaker 1: be postponed. It's like, dog, that's not what happened. His
Speaker 1: suv is gone, his dog is gone. Like that's a
Speaker 1: lot to commit to in a kidnapping to like take
Speaker 1: your dog along with you, like as you're getting kidnapped.
Speaker 2: So that's clearly like not what's happening. Okay.
Speaker 1: So at the time, he was on house arrested waiting
Speaker 1: to stand trial on eighty seven criminal counts, and he'd
Speaker 1: including rape, sodomy, and poisoning. And then Diamond tried to
Speaker 1: claim later as part of Lester's defense, that he was
Speaker 1: an aspiring pornography producer and that the women were only
Speaker 1: acting as part of a script and had consented. Of course,
Speaker 1: all the women were like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: He was later convicted in absentia and sentenced to one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four years in prison. So the trial
Speaker 1: went on even without him did he had a jumped
Speaker 1: bail and the trial continued. His legal case obviously earned
Speaker 1: like huge media attention due to his family's wealth. I
Speaker 1: remember reading about this a little bit, of.
Speaker 2: Course, you do. I just remember this.
Speaker 1: I remember being like wow, Max Factor, like the makeup,
Speaker 1: and then this guy because I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: the guy is kind of like conventionally handsome and like
Speaker 1: looks like a rich boy or whatever, but obviously a monster.
Speaker 1: And now the FBI, after he disappeared, issue to warrant
Speaker 1: for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. Cut to six months later,
Speaker 1: in June two thousand and three, Luster is arrested in Portavarta,
Speaker 1: as was bounty hunter Dwayne Lee Chapman, better known to
Speaker 1: you and I as Dog of the Bounty Hunter.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, this is the crazy twist in this case.
Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter was after Luster, trying to get him,
Speaker 1: and he was with him and two other guys as
Speaker 1: well as two cameramen who were.
Speaker 2: Filming the entire thing.
Speaker 1: And this was I think before Doug the Bounty Hunter
Speaker 1: had his show and all of his fame, so.
Speaker 2: It was like, this is kind of what led to it.
Speaker 1: Chapman is a bail bondsman who was pursuing Luster with
Speaker 1: a television crew and was arrested for kidnapping. So when
Speaker 1: they caught Luster, they arrested all of the men too.
Speaker 1: They arrested Chapman, his two friends, and the two cameramans.
Speaker 2: They arrested all six of them.
Speaker 1: Dog thought he was doing everything by the book because
Speaker 1: he was working with a Mexican police officer, so he
Speaker 1: thought he wasn't like.
Speaker 2: Doing anything wrong.
Speaker 1: His felony kidnapping charge was eventually reduced to a misdemeanor,
Speaker 1: and his lawyer advised him to flee to Mexico when
Speaker 1: he was released on bail. And then Chapman said he
Speaker 1: said he had consulted with a sex crimes forensic expert
Speaker 1: who believed that Luster's preference for raping unconscious passive victims
Speaker 1: was a possible sign that he might be a necrofile
Speaker 1: and that that could lead to murder. So he was like,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to stop this possible escalation of
Speaker 1: this rapist to murderer, you know, So.
Speaker 2: That's kind of where his head was. Also, question is
Speaker 2: it bad that the lawyer told him to go to Mexico.
Speaker 2: Like that's breaking some law rules, right, I know.
Speaker 1: But also I mean also it's like, client, I don't
Speaker 1: even know how this is in the article that I found.
Speaker 2: It's like, how did you guys even find that out?
Speaker 2: The lawyer offered that to you.
Speaker 1: But eventually what happened was he made bail in Mexico,
Speaker 1: he went home to Honolulu. He was arrested like again
Speaker 1: in Honolulu because he was not supposed to leave Mexico,
Speaker 1: but like no one told him that. And then basically
Speaker 1: the case got dragged out so far that eventually the
Speaker 1: statute of limitations ran out, and like they just dropped
Speaker 1: the whole case. So Dog got off, no problem. I
Speaker 1: don't really think Dog did anything wrong. He's a bounty hunter,
Speaker 1: like he was looking for a rapist. Luster, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, is given over to the American authorities. And
Speaker 1: you know, he's been now already charged, already sentenced to one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four years in prison. So the California
Speaker 1: Court of Appeal refused an appeal from him, and they
Speaker 1: cited that he was a fugitive and they're basically their
Speaker 1: policy is like when you are a fugitive, when you
Speaker 1: jump bail. You basically say fuck you to our court system,
Speaker 1: and so you forfeit your right to an appeal, like
Speaker 1: you were not going to listen to your appeals because
Speaker 1: you ran the California Supreme Court and the United States
Speaker 1: Supreme Court also later refused to overturn this ruling, so
Speaker 1: this went up pretty high. Luster is currently at Valley
Speaker 1: State Prison in Chowchilla, California, and under California law, since
Speaker 1: his crimes harmed other people, he is required to serve
Speaker 1: at least eighty five percent of his sentence before becoming
Speaker 1: eligible for time off with good behavior, So that would
Speaker 1: make it one hundred and five years, which is still
Speaker 1: like a life sentence basically, but like Jurassic Park for assholes,
Speaker 1: money finds a way, and in two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: he filed a petition for habeas corpus as a final
Speaker 1: possibility of having his case reviewed.
Speaker 2: That was granted in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: And I looked up habeas corpus and I looked up
Speaker 1: the dumbest definition of it, or like the definition for
Speaker 1: the dumbest people, because I was like, I just want
Speaker 1: to understand what it is, like tell it to me, like.
Speaker 2: I'm in kindergarten.
Speaker 1: And basically it is a legal rule that requires a
Speaker 1: prisoner be presented in court and that the arrestor proved
Speaker 1: that there is proper cause for detaining the prisoner.
Speaker 2: So put simply, it means that.
Speaker 1: If you are arrested, you have the right to make
Speaker 1: the government prove to a judge that your arrests and
Speaker 1: detainment are justice. I guess because he wasn't there for
Speaker 1: his sentencing, he was denied his habeas corpus Again, can
Speaker 1: our legal people write in and tell me why this
Speaker 1: was allowed for him?
Speaker 2: Do you think about legally blonde every time you hear
Speaker 2: habeas corpus? Yes, but isn't that mens Rehya, that's her
Speaker 2: earlier habeas corpus is in the classroom?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, the what's her name? Who's dating? Sarah Pauls Holland
Speaker 2: Holland Taylor? Yeah, in her room is the habeas corpus? Okay?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did definitely have a legally blonde thought
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: So basically what happened after this whole habeas corpus thing
Speaker 1: was that his sentence was vacated, but not the conviction
Speaker 1: because the judge found that the original trial judge had
Speaker 1: a failure to state specific reason for imposing consecutive sentences,
Speaker 1: so he got a new sentencing hearing. Long story short,
Speaker 1: he went from one hundred and twenty four years to
Speaker 1: fifty years. He got forty eight years for the rapes
Speaker 1: and two years for the drug related charge, and his
Speaker 1: lawyers have indicated that there will be another appeal. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I just feel like, when you're rich, you
Speaker 1: could just keep appealing and appealing and appealing and eventually
Speaker 1: your sentence will go down somehow, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like for sure, But fifty years is still a lot.
Speaker 2: And even if they cut that in half, twenty five
Speaker 2: years is a long ass time too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was I think thirty nine when he
Speaker 1: went to jail, so if he went for fifty, he'd
Speaker 1: get out at eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's still not like you know he's going
Speaker 2: to be Yeah, So it's like, keep spending your max
Speaker 2: factor money. You're going to be in jail till you're
Speaker 2: fucking old, and you deserve well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of so, two of the victims won civil suits
Speaker 1: against him.
Speaker 2: He was ordered to pay a total of forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: He subsequently sold most of his property and declared bankruptcy
Speaker 1: and he's still in jail.
Speaker 2: So that is the Andrew Lester story.
Speaker 1: I do want to take a second and just talk
Speaker 1: about some research I did into scopolamine because I think
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. Scopalamine, also known as devil's breath, also
Speaker 1: known as brundunga, is a tropical alkaloid. Scopalamine was first
Speaker 1: written about in eighteen eighty one, so that's like it
Speaker 1: dates back to eighteen eighty one, and then it started
Speaker 1: to be used as anesthesia and around nineteen hundred.
Speaker 2: It can also be used as like a sedative.
Speaker 1: Or to treat motion sickness or even Parkinson's disease, so
Speaker 1: it has like legitimate uses. And then the criminal usage
Speaker 1: of it dates back to the nineteen fifties because it
Speaker 1: can cause in large quantities, it can cause intoxication that
Speaker 1: causes submissive and obedient behavior in the victim, so criminals
Speaker 1: will take will typically use borandoga or scopolamine to take
Speaker 1: victims on what they call a million dollar ride, where
Speaker 1: victims just basically empty out their bank accounts with no
Speaker 1: clue of what's going on. There is not actually a
Speaker 1: lot of reported cases of it being used for sexual assault,
Speaker 1: but often it is for robberies and victims. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: surrender their valuables to criminals with no resistance. Neither the
Speaker 1: victim or people surrounding them know that a crime is
Speaker 1: being committed, and so there's basically never any witnesses. And
Speaker 1: it was it's really most commonly used in Columbia. So
Speaker 1: I think that's why it tips off Melinda when she hears, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy goes to Columbia all the time scopolamine, because
Speaker 1: it's it's just not typically used heavily in the United States.
Speaker 1: It really hasn't been, and there's a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of urban legends have been surrounding it. Like I remember
Speaker 1: hearing this one one time, like, oh, if you go
Speaker 1: to Columbia, someone will give you their business card and
Speaker 1: the business card is laced with this stuff and just
Speaker 1: touching it will make you into this zombie and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You need to like ingest it or through
Speaker 1: a transdermal patch in a large quantity to have the effect,
Speaker 1: like what happens in the SBU episode, Like if somebody
Speaker 1: just blows it in your face, like what they talk
Speaker 1: about it, it's just not enough. You need to have
Speaker 1: more of it to have the full zombie effect that
Speaker 1: they're talking about, because there were.
Speaker 2: All these like urban legends.
Speaker 1: I was seeing them in my research, Like there was
Speaker 1: a Facebook scam where people were like, look what happened.
Speaker 1: We came out and we found this one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: bill in the handlebar, the handle of our car, but
Speaker 1: we didn't touch it because we'd heard about this thing
Speaker 1: where people are covering it in scopolamine and basically they
Speaker 1: follow you to rape you and kill you and rob
Speaker 1: you and whatever. It was a complete hoax, like not true.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the a lot of the reports
Speaker 1: of any of scopolamine use in the US have been
Speaker 1: greatly exaggerated or they're non existent, like they're parts of hoaxes.
Speaker 2: But it was being used.
Speaker 1: It has been used in Colombia for just basically robbing
Speaker 1: people because allegedly it doesn't really fully brainwash people the
Speaker 1: way that they talk about in this episode, like it's
Speaker 1: a little bit more exaggerated, which it's fine they do
Speaker 1: that for television. Like realistically, it looks like an overdose
Speaker 1: of scopolamine just lowers your inhibitions and has like a
Speaker 1: similar effect to taking benzos or getting really drunk, you know,
Speaker 1: like you do things that you're like I don't really remember,
Speaker 1: I you know, like but it's not the full I'm
Speaker 1: missing a day of my life, like what happened to
Speaker 1: Kelly Hugh in the episode you know, so I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I mean, the US did, the US
Speaker 1: Department of State in twenty twelve did issue a travel
Speaker 1: advisory and tell people that unofficial estimates puts the number
Speaker 1: of annual scopolamine incidences in Colombia at fifty thousands. So
Speaker 1: they were they were really scared that it was very
Speaker 1: widespread in Colombia at the time. In large doses, it
Speaker 1: can cause respiratory failure and death. I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: I think with anything, too much can cause really bad problems.
Speaker 1: It is most often administered in liquid or powder form
Speaker 1: in your food or beverage. And like they're just they're
Speaker 1: just wanting people that, like men are usually getting targeted
Speaker 1: in nightclubs and bars by like young women giving them scopolamine.
Speaker 1: And you should seek immediate attention if you've been dosed.
Speaker 2: The hustlers is this to rob them? This is hustlers,
Speaker 2: It's the hustler's drug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean Andrew lust was using GHB because
Speaker 1: I think that they're taking this is basically two stories
Speaker 1: being combined into one for us VU because really, scoopalamine
Speaker 1: is not being used in the US very much, and
Speaker 1: when it is, it's most or when it is being used,
Speaker 1: even in Columbia, it's not.
Speaker 2: For murder and sexual assault, it's mostly for robbery.
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the scoop on the Max Factor
Speaker 1: air and scopolamine aka Devil's Breath, Baby, thank you. I
Speaker 1: loved this episode. It's a tough crime. It's tough crime
Speaker 1: and tough episode. I mean, those videos are really hard
Speaker 1: to fucking watch.
Speaker 2: The videos are rough, they're pretty graphic in terms of SVO.
Speaker 2: But we have an amazing guest. Yes, we've a very
Speaker 2: inspiring guest. I had a great I had a great time.
Speaker 2: After we talk to this guest, we talked about it
Speaker 2: like for the next couple of days us. We were
Speaker 2: really excited.
Speaker 1: So stick around and we will be right back with
Speaker 1: our guest interview. Okay, I am so excited for our
Speaker 1: interview today because she just is a very impressive person.
Speaker 1: She is the first Asian American female to be crowned
Speaker 1: Miss Teen USA, the first Asian American to be on
Speaker 1: the cover of Maxim magazine. You know her from her
Speaker 1: role in The Scorpion King, Vampire Diaries, Hawaii five Oh Ncies.
Speaker 1: She's been on so many things. This bitch gets hired. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are so excited to talk to you know her
Speaker 1: as Kelly's son, but we spoke to Kelly who first.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say you you've been working for Like,
Speaker 2: your resume is so impressive. It's just like you've been
Speaker 2: bold and believe. I mean, looks so young.
Speaker 1: You look so young, not that it matters, but like
Speaker 1: you look it is the same as you did in
Speaker 1: your and you're in this episode like thirteen years ago.
Speaker 3: Lighting it's like I got like circle lighting. That's what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: That's the key, good ring light, the dream. I just
Speaker 2: feel like just working in this business so hard and
Speaker 2: like to be able to do so many You've also
Speaker 2: done so many different things. So when you got the
Speaker 2: call for SVU, was this just another job or was
Speaker 2: there a little excitement because it's such an iconic show.
Speaker 2: Do you remember?
Speaker 6: I have to admit I was not a huge fan
Speaker 6: of the show. I didn't watch. You know, a lot
Speaker 6: of these kinds of shows. And I have to admit
Speaker 6: I was really upset when I got it because.
Speaker 3: It shot over election night. So it was election night
Speaker 3: two thousand.
Speaker 6: And eight November, and I had been working on the
Speaker 6: Obama campaign for over three years.
Speaker 3: Like as soon as he announced, or before he even announced.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm in because I had heard from
Speaker 6: friends of mine in Hawaii that he was going to
Speaker 6: be announcing. So I had been working on the Obama
Speaker 6: campaign for so long, and then when I heard that
Speaker 6: I got this job, I was like, no.
Speaker 3: I have to go to New York.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be with all my friends that had
Speaker 5: worked on the campaign, and I was really bummed because
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't think I would have any friends
Speaker 5: to be like watching the elections with.
Speaker 3: It was so huge.
Speaker 6: It was such a momentous night for us, but it
Speaker 6: was really it was just you know, something that I
Speaker 6: had been working with my friends, you know, for so long,
Speaker 6: and I just wanted to have this night to be
Speaker 6: able to you know, be with them. But then I,
Speaker 6: you know, I found some friends that were in New
Speaker 6: York and I went to their apartment to watch and
Speaker 6: I have to admit, New York was the absolute best
Speaker 6: place to be for election night.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, because you.
Speaker 3: Were there in New York.
Speaker 6: So, like New York is not like La where where
Speaker 6: you know, La, everybody just kind of sits in their
Speaker 6: car and nobody really walks anywhere. But in New York
Speaker 6: election night, as soon as it got announced, people came
Speaker 6: rolling out into the streets and banging pots and pans,
Speaker 6: and like I remember, people like actually shoved their sofa
Speaker 6: into an intersection so that people could like like jump
Speaker 6: on a sofa in the middle of the street.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was really.
Speaker 6: A different kind of atmosphere that would never have happened
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: So it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3: So it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 6: And so it was the night before I had to
Speaker 6: shoot the opening shot where I'm in the park in
Speaker 6: my lingerie, all lighted up and supposedly you know, like drugged,
Speaker 6: right I had. I was supposed to be wondering the park,
Speaker 6: you know, all night in my lingerie. And the night
Speaker 6: before shooting that was election night, And so I had
Speaker 6: been up to like three o'clock in the morning dancing
Speaker 6: with strangers in Union Square.
Speaker 3: And just like partying. And because I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I have to look like crap the next morning anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's like added to your drugged up
Speaker 1: look a little bit.
Speaker 3: That you were just weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you wait.
Speaker 1: We don't want to objectify you in any way, but
Speaker 1: you did look amazing and your lingerie going up to
Speaker 1: the baby, trying up and drinking all night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We didn't want to be rude because it is like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's blood and something just happened to you.
Speaker 2: But it was hard not to be like, she looks incredible.
Speaker 6: It was a little it was a little bit nerve
Speaker 6: wrecking to shoot that, only because you know, it was cold.
Speaker 3: It's November in New York.
Speaker 6: And I'm in you know, lingerie and this and and
Speaker 6: and also the baby. You know, it was like a
Speaker 6: I think it was like about one or two.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 6: It was like talking stage and it actually pointed to
Speaker 6: the blood coming down from my crouching on down my
Speaker 6: leg and it pointed to the blood and looked at
Speaker 6: his mom went blood, mommy blood. And I was like, oh, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know how to talk to
Speaker 6: two year old about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet that sounds like an added level.
Speaker 1: Wait, so, and how was it shooting that scene, because
Speaker 1: you guys really are in Central Park and people are
Speaker 1: kind of around and you're just in like a trench
Speaker 1: coat and underwear, like were you Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you feel like people were like stopping and gawking?
Speaker 3: And do you know it's New York, so I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody cares. Yeah, you know, yeah, people in New
Speaker 3: York are just like, you know, they keep to themselves.
Speaker 6: You know, there are crazier things going on than women
Speaker 6: walking around in their underwear at the park.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't care.
Speaker 2: But the scene in the hospital and you had a
Speaker 2: tough scene, like the actual rape scene. You have like
Speaker 2: really tough scenes in this episode. How do you prep
Speaker 2: and how is it to shoot like crying and then
Speaker 2: like being attacked by this guy?
Speaker 6: You know, I think when you're actually going through the
Speaker 6: motions of being attacked, you don't have to prep a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it really is.
Speaker 6: Kind of innate, right that the struggle is real, Like,
Speaker 6: you don't even it's not something that you have to
Speaker 6: like really put that much practice in. If you are
Speaker 6: trying to get up and somebody is holding you down.
Speaker 6: That in itself is enough to get you to where
Speaker 6: you need to be as an actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering how many takes did you guys?
Speaker 2: Did you throw the flowers the vase? Was that a
Speaker 2: one and done then you had to break the vase?
Speaker 2: Or did you get to like scene.
Speaker 3: In the hospital scene. I think we only had one.
Speaker 3: I think we only did one.
Speaker 2: Make it count.
Speaker 3: Oh, we rehearsed with paper towel roles, That's what it was.
Speaker 3: That's what it was. We rehearsed with the paper towel roles.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, they were like, okay, like this is
Speaker 3: the scene, this is where you get to throw the vase.
Speaker 6: They probably they must have had more than one just
Speaker 6: in case it went askew, because I'm not a very
Speaker 6: good like thrower, like pitcher whatever you call it. See,
Speaker 6: I don't even know the terminology.
Speaker 3: I'm so bad.
Speaker 6: But but yeah, I do remember like like just tossing
Speaker 6: paper towels for for the rehearsal.
Speaker 2: Well, you've done a lot of different crime procedural shows,
Speaker 2: so we were.
Speaker 6: Think I've done them all. I don't think there's one
Speaker 6: that I haven't done yet.
Speaker 2: Well, we were going we like to play this game.
Speaker 2: So if you needed a squad to show up and
Speaker 2: you had an emergency, would you want that NCIS, SVU
Speaker 2: or CSI team coming your way?
Speaker 3: Oh you need help?
Speaker 2: There are actually I.
Speaker 3: Want one emergency.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like all these don't all these guys come
Speaker 6: after the fact, like none of them. Actually, I guess
Speaker 6: I would want Marishka on my side. She seems like
Speaker 6: the biggest sadass. Yeah, I'm gonna say Marishka.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably a good answer, right, And
Speaker 2: you did Hawaii? If i've oh and I.
Speaker 3: Got blown up on that.
Speaker 2: That's wow.
Speaker 3: You guys haven't seen it?
Speaker 2: Sorry, well then we just it popped out to us
Speaker 2: because since you're from Hawaii, Like, was it cool to
Speaker 2: shoot back in your home and like be back to
Speaker 2: work there.
Speaker 3: I always love going home to Hawaii to shoot.
Speaker 6: There's just us a different maybe, And maybe it's just
Speaker 6: me because I'm from Hawaii and like you know, I'm
Speaker 6: I'm still very connected to Hawaii. I still go home,
Speaker 6: and I still do a lot of like charity work,
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm always visiting. Until recently, my mom
Speaker 6: was living there. She actually just moved to Vegas. She
Speaker 6: didn't die. She just moved to Vegas, and so I
Speaker 6: was always, you know, still very connected to Hawaii. And
Speaker 6: so when I get to work with a crew that
Speaker 6: is local, that you know, that didn't even exist, like
Speaker 6: filming didn't really even exist before I left the Islands,
Speaker 6: that you know, these this whole industry has.
Speaker 3: Come about, you know, since you know, since after.
Speaker 6: I left in eighty six or seven, and so it's
Speaker 6: just it's such a great feeling. I feel like I'm
Speaker 6: really taken care of, you know, like more than any
Speaker 6: other show. Like I just feel like they go above
Speaker 6: and beyond because I'm a local girl. And yeah, I
Speaker 6: get so much support from people in Hawaii. It's you know,
Speaker 6: I've been doing this since I was a teenager now,
Speaker 6: since I won the pageant back in eighty five, and
Speaker 6: so I just people in Hawaii. It's like, if you
Speaker 6: see somebody else that's from Hawaii, you automatically wish them well,
Speaker 6: you automatically give them all your support. It's like it's
Speaker 6: like this built in support system. And I think that
Speaker 6: not a lot of people get to experience that, you know,
Speaker 6: that have like a whole home state or a whole
Speaker 6: hometown just rooting for them.
Speaker 1: Well you were mentioning the beauty pageants and then like
Speaker 1: leaving around eighty seven. That's so your big acting break
Speaker 1: was Growing Pains.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I'm like, I like die that you.
Speaker 1: Were in Growing Pains. That was such a huge show,
Speaker 1: like for me growing up. I feel like that's so crazy.
Speaker 1: How was that with Like your first big role is
Speaker 1: like on this massive sitcom that everybody watches.
Speaker 3: Right, and I got to kiss Kirk Cameron.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got all kinds of death threats after that, like
Speaker 3: from thet you did. Yes, Like, yes, they hated.
Speaker 6: Me because I got to kiss Kirk Cameron because he
Speaker 6: was like the biggest thing on television.
Speaker 3: Isn't that so weird? Yeah?
Speaker 2: He was a huge heart throb.
Speaker 1: He's a little different now, I think, but yes, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. But I love Oh my god, I love
Speaker 1: the idea of getting death threats from like twelve year
Speaker 1: old girls, like what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: What was your talent for the pageant?
Speaker 6: I chose where I didn't have to do a stupid talent.
Speaker 2: I didn't have.
Speaker 6: Any kind of talent that I could do on stage.
Speaker 6: You know, people could be talented in so many areas,
Speaker 6: but you know, you can't necessarily perform it on stage,
Speaker 6: and so you end up with these girls who like
Speaker 6: make up all of these crazy talents like sign language
Speaker 6: to music. And I never knew there were so many
Speaker 6: like xylophone players, Like they're like like somehow everybody becomes
Speaker 6: like sign language expert and xylophone player. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: I I chose the one that where I didn't have
Speaker 6: to do any kind of talent and that gave cash prizes.
Speaker 3: Instead of.
Speaker 2: Very smart.
Speaker 6: But but yeah, so I entered the pageant though, because
Speaker 6: I was scouted by a modeling scout from Japan who
Speaker 6: told me that if I had entered a pageant and
Speaker 6: got just the local title, that they could.
Speaker 3: Use that to promote me as a model in Japan
Speaker 3: and I could make more money.
Speaker 2: And at that.
Speaker 6: Time in the eighties, it was you know, my mom
Speaker 6: was was a struggling single mom, you know, holding down
Speaker 6: three jobs all the time just to you know, make
Speaker 6: ends meet. And so I was hearing of these girls
Speaker 6: that were going to Japan during the summer and making
Speaker 6: like twenty thousand dollars like in the eighties, which was huge,
Speaker 6: right for anybody.
Speaker 3: And coming back home.
Speaker 6: And you know, like making a deposit on a house
Speaker 6: and you know, so so.
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, if I.
Speaker 6: Could get in that and help my mom, it would
Speaker 6: be huge for me. And then also I just loved
Speaker 6: being in front of the camera anyway, So I mostly
Speaker 6: entered so that I could, you know, I was under
Speaker 6: contract already as a model and whatnot to go off
Speaker 6: that summer. But then you know, I entered the local pageant,
Speaker 6: I won that, and part of the uh, you know, obligation,
Speaker 6: I guess, is that you have to run in the
Speaker 6: national pageant.
Speaker 3: And so I figured I'd just run in the national.
Speaker 6: Pageant and then I'd go off and do my you know,
Speaker 6: modeling contract over the summer. Not even thinking that I
Speaker 6: would be in consideration for the national I was like, I'll.
Speaker 3: Get to be on TV if I make the top ten.
Speaker 3: That was my dream. I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: be on national TV.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so I ended up, I think a surprise
Speaker 6: to everyone, I ended up winning the national pageant and
Speaker 6: then was not able to do my you know, fulfill
Speaker 6: my modeling contract because I had to represent just the
Speaker 6: sponsors of the pageant and stuff I was under contract
Speaker 6: with them. So yeah, it was it was a lot
Speaker 6: to take in for a sixteen year old, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. So did you go back to school
Speaker 2: or did you just like travel at the Crown.
Speaker 6: I wanted to not go back to school, but they
Speaker 6: were like, that's not a good look for a Miss
Speaker 6: ten Usa to drop out of school. So yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I went back to school. But I was I was
Speaker 6: just half heartedly there. I mean, I was just like
Speaker 6: school was just like a.
Speaker 3: Hurdle that I had to get over in order to
Speaker 3: start the life that I was meant to live. You know,
Speaker 3: I knew that I was going to be moving to
Speaker 3: Los Angeles and becoming an actor and and doing all
Speaker 3: of that, because it was the opportunities were already presenting themselves,
Speaker 3: and and and I just I was just like, school
Speaker 3: is just, uh, you know, something that I have to do.
Speaker 3: And and shortly after, yeah, shortly after, I got growing pains,
Speaker 3: and then I was able to move to Los Angeles
Speaker 3: before the episode even aired.
Speaker 2: I was that ready.
Speaker 3: I was like so jonesy to go.
Speaker 6: As soon as I finished filming, I packed up my
Speaker 6: bags and I moved to Los Angeles before the show
Speaker 6: even aired.
Speaker 3: I and and I remember.
Speaker 6: That day I found one of those books of agencies,
Speaker 6: Samuel French. I think all the Samuel frenchips have closed
Speaker 6: down now, right. So I did like a mass mailing,
Speaker 6: and I took out a full page ad in Variety
Speaker 6: announcing that that show was going to be premiering that night,
Speaker 6: and I said that I.
Speaker 3: Was now available for West Coast representation. Wow. I didn't
Speaker 3: even have an agent or anything at that point.
Speaker 2: Who told you to do that?
Speaker 6: I had seen a bunch of ads and stuff that
Speaker 6: people were doing in Variety, and they were taking out
Speaker 6: mostly like you know, like small little ads, like you know,
Speaker 6: business card size ads or little you know, eighth of
Speaker 6: a page or something. But I had all this money
Speaker 6: that I had won from the pageant, and I thought,
Speaker 6: go big or go home, right, So I took out
Speaker 6: this full page ad of like my headshot and then
Speaker 6: a little corner picture of me in a bikini, like
Speaker 6: you know, posing with my I don't know what that
Speaker 6: was about, but I guess I thought it was like
Speaker 6: I thought that, you know, like people would want to
Speaker 6: see me in a swimsuit, and so I put that
Speaker 6: on and I got like twenty calls from agents before
Speaker 6: the show even aired. Because there were no Asian girls
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles in Hollywood at the time, they were
Speaker 6: just like three and that was it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so you got to pick your agent. That's cool, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't even I didn't even know who
Speaker 3: to go to.
Speaker 6: But one of the manager of my building was also
Speaker 6: an actor, and I came back with this list and
Speaker 6: I'm like, so these are the people who responded, and
Speaker 6: he's like, you realize that I've been doing this for
Speaker 6: fifteen years and I can't even get meetings or get
Speaker 6: any of these people to call me back. And it
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, oh sorry, Like I know, because I
Speaker 6: was so young and so new and so gung ho,
Speaker 6: I didn't know it was supposed to be hard. You know.
Speaker 3: It was just like everything was.
Speaker 6: Just falling in place for me, and it was like,
Speaker 6: you know, it wasn't until I was older that I
Speaker 6: really was able to appreciate, like, wow, this is this
Speaker 6: is no joke, you know, this is this is a
Speaker 6: tough business.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean and especially like as an Asian American, I
Speaker 1: mean like you and you were the first they didn't
Speaker 1: have any so you're like a transpasor of these of
Speaker 1: Asian American women.
Speaker 6: Which I didn't realize, right, because I you know, even
Speaker 6: in the pageant, my whole attitude was you know, because
Speaker 6: I remember leaving.
Speaker 3: Before going to the pageant.
Speaker 6: You know, my mom said, don't now, don't cry when
Speaker 6: you don't win, because America is not ready for an
Speaker 6: Asian Miss teen or she said Oriental Miss teen USA.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's so old fashioned. Nobody
Speaker 3: thinks like that anymore.
Speaker 6: You know, this is nineteen eighty five, and it was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I had no idea that mentality was still
Speaker 6: out there on the mainland. Because I grew up in Hawaii,
Speaker 6: where Asians are the majority. I never experienced racism or
Speaker 6: prejudice or any of that kind of stuff. So my
Speaker 6: whole attitude was, well, if I'm not going to win,
Speaker 6: I'm going to stand out, and you know, I'm going
Speaker 6: to my my my asianness is what makes me different
Speaker 6: and what makes me unique. And so I came to
Speaker 6: Hollywood with that same attitude, you know, Like to me,
Speaker 6: I was like, well, I'm not going to be like
Speaker 6: all those little, you know, blonde haired, blue eyed girls
Speaker 6: that are trying to get work.
Speaker 3: I'm going to use this to my advantage. You know.
Speaker 3: So I think just coming in with a different attitude
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 6: Sort of unapologetic really helped to you know, to my
Speaker 6: advantage as well. Yeah, and it's just also like not
Speaker 6: knowing better, you know, not knowing better sometimes really works
Speaker 6: to your advantage.
Speaker 2: Now you're a badass, I'm very inspired like to have
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, I'm going to get this pageant,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go fucking model. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: an ad out in variety. It's like so much, like
Speaker 2: so much for so such a young age to do
Speaker 2: all that and be so like, I just never heard
Speaker 2: of anyone doing that, it's so cool.
Speaker 6: Well I think it's because, like I said, I just
Speaker 6: didn't know it was supposed to be hard. I didn't
Speaker 6: know that people didn't do that, you know. And I
Speaker 6: was always I was always the kid that was.
Speaker 3: Really picked on. I was like severely severely bullied in
Speaker 3: school to the point where I was like suicidal and stuff.
Speaker 6: You know, like seventh and eighth grade years were the
Speaker 6: worst for me. So I was always used to just
Speaker 6: doing things differently, being different. I never worried, you know,
Speaker 6: about what anybody else was going to think, because I
Speaker 6: was just like everybody hates me anyway.
Speaker 3: So it was like, I'll just do my own thing
Speaker 3: and you know, see where it lands.
Speaker 6: And so I never I think because of that, I
Speaker 6: never worried about failure, because I never worried about what
Speaker 6: other people were thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I was able to sort of just
Speaker 6: roll it into things that were more positive without even
Speaker 6: realized that it was happening at the time. It wasn't
Speaker 6: until much, many, many years later that I can look
Speaker 6: back and analyze it and realize, oh, that's why I
Speaker 6: did it because I just didn't know, you know, or
Speaker 6: I just had a different attitude.
Speaker 2: When you got that Maxim cover. Was it a big
Speaker 2: like fuck you to everyone? Like was that cool?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 6: It was kind of only because I got the Maxim cover,
Speaker 6: because I was on Scorpion kick right well, when I
Speaker 6: landed the cover, they did not want me to be
Speaker 6: on the cover by myself. They had put two other
Speaker 6: girls from the movie, a black girl and a blonde
Speaker 6: girl on the cover.
Speaker 3: With me, or they wanted to put them on the
Speaker 3: cover with me, and I was like why, Like I'm
Speaker 3: the only girl really in.
Speaker 6: The movie, Like I didn't even know one of the
Speaker 6: other girls I think didn't even have a speaking role,
Speaker 6: but they wanted three of us on the cover as
Speaker 6: sort of like a you know, like you know, there's
Speaker 6: an Asian girl and a black girl and a blonde girl.
Speaker 6: And I refused to share the cover with these other
Speaker 6: two girls because their roles were so tiny, and I thought,
Speaker 6: why wouldn't I not hold cover on my own? And they,
Speaker 6: because Maxim was still sort of new ish, they were
Speaker 6: afraid that if they put an Asian girl on the
Speaker 6: cover by herself, that people would think it was an
Speaker 6: Asian magazine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And so they were taking a chance by putting me
Speaker 6: on the cover alone, and it ended up being there
Speaker 6: highest selling magazine at that time.
Speaker 2: So, you know, so crazy.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't that I was like, you know, trying
Speaker 6: to fight for you know, Asian women, or you know,
Speaker 6: making any kind of point. I was just like, I
Speaker 6: deserve this. This is not something that I should have
Speaker 6: to share with anybody else otherwise I don't even want
Speaker 6: to do it. And I think, you know, at that
Speaker 6: point in my career, that's when I was trying. I
Speaker 6: was understanding the power of no and being able.
Speaker 3: To sort of stand up for yourself.
Speaker 6: I think before that I was I always just felt
Speaker 6: lucky for whatever I was handed. And I think it
Speaker 6: was at that point in my career that I started
Speaker 6: understanding that there was a power in saying, no.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about viagra commercial? Are you down?
Speaker 1: We obviously were doing research on you, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was the face of Viagara.
Speaker 2: And then we watched your spot and I was like,
Speaker 2: I could see how this would work. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: look very good in the commercial. And it's just such
Speaker 2: a compliment, right to be like, you are the human
Speaker 2: version of Viagra. That's basically it.
Speaker 6: Well, one of the reasons why I got the job
Speaker 6: was because I.
Speaker 3: Was over forty when they cast.
Speaker 6: So all of the women in Viagra commercials have to
Speaker 6: be over forty because they're marketing to men over forty.
Speaker 6: So I guess, you know, it would just suck to
Speaker 6: have them, you know, pick a twenty year old. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: But what they look for is they look for women
Speaker 6: who are forty and over but look younger. So because
Speaker 6: I look younger for my age, and it was just
Speaker 6: out there all over the Internet that everybody could tell
Speaker 6: that I was over forty.
Speaker 3: At the time. I mean, That was basically why I
Speaker 3: got hired.
Speaker 2: I had a voice. You have a very sultry voice.
Speaker 2: Oh I do, thank you well, not like talking to us,
Speaker 2: but in the.
Speaker 1: Right commercials yes, yeah, yeah, you're not suggesting us right now.
Speaker 2: When you're trying to it works.
Speaker 6: But doing this commercial, it's they it was so challenging.
Speaker 6: I only had like six lines of dialogue in the
Speaker 6: entire commercial, right, but everything has to be so specific.
Speaker 6: I must have read the first line one hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty times in order to get the exact tone that
Speaker 6: they wanted because they they don't want it to sound
Speaker 6: too sexy. They don't want it to sound too clinical,
Speaker 6: they don't want it to sound too friendly. They I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, it's the tone has to be so like
Speaker 6: razor sharp on point that it's really frustrating as an
Speaker 6: actor when they're like, you know, trying to get you
Speaker 6: to the right place because it's just like minuscule, you know,
Speaker 6: little movements and things like you know, you're laying on
Speaker 6: the bed, but you're not allowed to have your two
Speaker 6: feet up.
Speaker 3: You know, like like up in the air because that.
Speaker 6: Could look like an erection, or you know, you could
Speaker 6: have maybe one foot up in the air, or you know,
Speaker 6: you're holding flowers and maybe one of the flowers is drooping.
Speaker 3: They're like, nope, we can't have flowers.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like everything is you know, a metaphor
Speaker 6: for penis, you know, a rectile dysfunction.
Speaker 3: So it's like like things like a piece of hair.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous, how like specific they have to get.
Speaker 2: Kelly is my idol. I'm just love her.
Speaker 1: I was very impressed by the things she did when
Speaker 1: she didn't know how things.
Speaker 2: Work in Hollywood. I mean, she fucking got it done. No,
Speaker 2: it's awesome. And I always think about this when someone
Speaker 2: tries to like dem your fire and they're like, well
Speaker 2: this person did it this way, like you got to
Speaker 2: do it this way, and it's like, no, everyone that
Speaker 2: we respect and love did their own thing, like stop
Speaker 2: trying to follow the rules step forth by other people,
Speaker 2: like do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah, Because I
Speaker 2: remember at one of my first open mics, this guy
Speaker 2: I was telling this guy goes, yeah, so I do
Speaker 2: my jokes and there's four minutes and I try to
Speaker 2: put it and he goes, yeah, that's weird. No one
Speaker 2: does it that way. And then I saw him on
Speaker 2: stage and he bombed so bad and was terrible and
Speaker 2: has never done comedy again. And I was like, someone
Speaker 2: could have listened to this man's advice. Oh, I guess
Speaker 2: no one does it this way. I have to do
Speaker 2: it this way. And it's like, don't listen to anyone.
Speaker 2: If be a Kelly Who in the world, you know, yes,
Speaker 2: be a Who, and to fight for her that cover
Speaker 2: and be like, you know what, go fuck yourself. I
Speaker 2: want that cover. I want it. I know it's badass.
Speaker 2: People sometimes get bullied by cool opportunities to succumb to shit,
Speaker 2: but it's like, follow your gut, do it. Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to not get the cover at all,
Speaker 1: so I might as well just like do what they
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 2: It's like or tell them to do what you tell them,
Speaker 2: you know absolutely. Also, if a man is where it
Speaker 2: has gel in their hair, they're danger don't talk to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait anywhere, So now we're getting into the post mortem,
Speaker 1: let's discuss what we learn. It's if a man dresses
Speaker 1: like they're wearing Express for Men button downs and have
Speaker 1: gel in their hair. Yeah, okay, question for you, Lisa,
Speaker 1: You're at an airport bar, you are about to board
Speaker 1: a flight to somewhere international. Okay, you're at a bar,
Speaker 1: you meet somebody so hot and cool that you leave
Speaker 1: the airport with them. And now we're assuming that scopolamine
Speaker 1: has not been used. You're doing this of your own
Speaker 1: free will, evolition. Who is this person? Like Miley? But
Speaker 1: I'm sure if we fly private, right, So in this
Speaker 1: hypothetical situation, the logistics are completely fucked because like, we
Speaker 1: would never be at like Terminal one a JFK.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, I like, who would be hot enough? No,
Speaker 2: I would never not because I'm assuming them if I'm
Speaker 2: flying internationalists for work or vacation or to see a friend,
Speaker 2: there's no right, no way. Yeah, I would try to
Speaker 2: make out there like change and there's no There's no
Speaker 2: way in hell I would not get on that flight,
Speaker 2: right unless I felt very final destination vibes where the
Speaker 2: universe was like my gut was saying like, don't get
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah, and then even that Also, I don't
Speaker 2: mean to brag, but me and Devin Sala do interact
Speaker 2: on Twitter kind of often, and it's really it's so cool.
Speaker 2: Oh he's in Final Destination. I was like, where did
Speaker 2: this come from? I'm just bragging for news. No, he
Speaker 2: knows who I am, but I just started responding to
Speaker 2: everything he does on Twitter. And then now he responds
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, that was a good one. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is the earth? What is
Speaker 2: the Internet? What is the allure of Twitter?
Speaker 1: Twitter is such a garbage like hellscape, But the allure
Speaker 1: is that you might be able to just talk to
Speaker 1: a guy you.
Speaker 2: Had like a total crush on when you were twelve.
Speaker 2: You know, wait, who are you leaving the airport with.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Like, there's.
Speaker 1: Almost nobody that I would be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck it, let's go just to hook up instead of
Speaker 1: me getting on my flight. I just like traveling too much,
Speaker 1: and you know, I hate to rebook. I would never
Speaker 1: do a two hundred dollars change fee for for I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: But who would it be? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well I do want to say so one time I
Speaker 2: was flying Southwest with my friend to LA and she
Speaker 2: went to the bathroom and then this guy started talking
Speaker 2: and then she's like, I came back and you were
Speaker 2: friends with everybody how did this happen? I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but there was a guy and he was a cello player,
Speaker 2: and we hit it off and then we met at
Speaker 2: the Saddle Ranch and then we did hook up that night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: The Seven Ranch, Oh my god, I used to live
Speaker 1: right around the corner from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like this cool ass cello player. But
Speaker 2: now in hindsight, like I don't know if he lied
Speaker 2: to me or not, but he made it seem that
Speaker 2: he played the cello for jay Z and that he
Speaker 2: had been to Prince's house. Did you hook up with
Speaker 2: Yo Yoma? No?
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: Like a cool ass dude. If anyone has ever heard
Speaker 2: the story in their lives and know this cello player,
Speaker 2: please tell them what's up? Still thinking about you? When
Speaker 2: I was in my airport outfit so like like I
Speaker 2: was dressed like a lunatic and I couldn't believe my luck,
Speaker 2: Like I just couldn't believe it. So and because my
Speaker 2: friend had a really great blowout too, so I was like, okay, you,
Speaker 2: oh you were ready. But yeah, no, I'm not leaving
Speaker 2: with anyone, especially if I have all these diamonds. But
Speaker 2: obviously Kelly was drugged. So it's fucking different, right of course,
Speaker 2: And there's not that much.
Speaker 1: I feel like this episode is a little bit more,
Speaker 1: you know, not as commonplace in terms of like what
Speaker 1: like what I'm learning, Like, obviously, watch your drink.
Speaker 2: Everybody watches or drink. But I'm not trying to victim blame.
Speaker 1: You know, she went to like pick something up off
Speaker 1: the ground and this guy brazenly put a fucking Colombian
Speaker 1: rape drug in her drink. So that's not you know,
Speaker 1: nothing to blame her. But I guess, don't buy a
Speaker 1: huge dog if you have a toddler and a new baby,
Speaker 1: and don't take them out on walks together.
Speaker 2: I hate that. I hated that whole part. You do
Speaker 2: not give a kid a leash? Yeah, what is what
Speaker 2: is going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like I get I guess if you are the
Speaker 1: kind of person who gets a boner from sexually assaulting people,
Speaker 1: don't stand up on the stand because everyone's going to
Speaker 1: see your raging heart on for your own handiwork.
Speaker 2: And we learned that Melinda knows everything. I mean, one
Speaker 2: little clue she goes it's capolla. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: she's like you mentioned Colombia.
Speaker 1: I happen to know all the drugs specific to all
Speaker 1: of the South American regions.
Speaker 2: She is a wonder. I think the lesson there is
Speaker 2: always pay attention. You know, there's clues everywhere. There's little
Speaker 2: tweets everywhere.
Speaker 1: She found glitter on somebody one time and she goes
Speaker 1: booty dust. That's my favorite Melinda Warner moment.
Speaker 2: We talked about it with Diane Neil a little bit,
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 1: We talked about booty dust, all right, Yeah, yeah, she
Speaker 1: loved it too.
Speaker 2: That's one of her favorite moments. Either. I actually I
Speaker 2: brought glitter to the garage sale. No one bought any
Speaker 2: glitter from me, but I did say to our friend Lauren,
Speaker 2: I go, if you're ever mean to me, I will
Speaker 2: give your daughter a glitter. I go. Now I have
Speaker 2: this giant container, so you better watch your back. Or
Speaker 2: Francis is getting this jug of glitter. Just to follow up.
Speaker 1: To the bag of googly eyes you gave her a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Google eyes is a great gift if you know someone
Speaker 2: that's a little silly, a bag of Google eyes goes
Speaker 2: a long way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I would say, also, something I've learned from
Speaker 1: this is like look, I don't think Benson ever deserves
Speaker 1: to get slapped.
Speaker 2: She had to report the dolphin rape video. I'll say,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, fuck stabler. If someone doesn't remember their attack,
Speaker 2: leave them alone, right, leave them alone. I do not
Speaker 2: believe it. That was a really wrong moment. That was
Speaker 2: like messed up. Oh do you know? You know what?
Speaker 1: I was just listening to my favorite murderer, an old one,
Speaker 1: and they were talking about how in the Carla Hamolka
Speaker 1: Paul Bernardo thing, they were drugging girls too, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the girls never knew that they were tacked
Speaker 1: until they found the videos. It's very similar to this, Wow,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? And like then they saw what happened
Speaker 1: to them terrible.
Speaker 2: I would say no thanks, I'd say I don't need
Speaker 2: to see this and go fuck yourself. And what's your
Speaker 2: badge number? That's what I would say. They say, we're
Speaker 2: going to be doing something. And then from the real
Speaker 2: life case, if you're really rich, you should raise your
Speaker 2: kids like your poor so they develop better personalities. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like if I even if I was like super super,
Speaker 2: I would pretend that we didn't have money. I would
Speaker 2: just be like, I don't know if we can afford it.
Speaker 2: Just so these kids aren't like Max factoring, running around
Speaker 2: like lunatics. Max factoring. That's the new verb for acting
Speaker 2: like a spoiled asshole. Yeah, Max factoring about town all right?
Speaker 1: Well, as usual, a seamless segue into our next segment,
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Speaker 1: sexual assault by increasing awareness, inspiring action, and fueling culture change.
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