Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in. I'm Peanut Tillman and this is
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Speaker 2: this young man that we have in the building. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not that excited about.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand you. I forgot. I want you
Speaker 2: to introduce this person. I'm so angry right now.
Speaker 1: I just got mad.
Speaker 2: I will handle that, okay. Well, this guy played tight
Speaker 2: end for five seasons with the NFL. In the NFL
Speaker 2: with the Colts and the Bengals. He was a Super
Speaker 2: Bowl champion with the Indianapolis Coach beat Peanuts the Chicago
Speaker 2: Bears in Super Bowl forty one. He's a singer songwriter
Speaker 2: and I've listened to a couple of them, and has
Speaker 2: released multiple albums. He's now the CEO of soul Care RX,
Speaker 2: which makes the first ever fully disposable anti bacterial shower sock.
Speaker 2: Everybody welcome in.
Speaker 3: Ben you Yon. Thank you, fellas, thank you thanks for
Speaker 3: having me and I listen, I dig, I dig the
Speaker 3: setup you got going on?
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: You got the Blues mansion, We got the socks, We
Speaker 3: got the socks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this was the Shoela very And then this
Speaker 2: is intentional, very intentional. Yeah, everything, that's huge when I
Speaker 2: come out here, very intentional, as Peanut likes to say.
Speaker 2: All right, man, so what was your welcome to the
Speaker 2: NFL moment?
Speaker 3: Welcome to the NFL moment was Bob Sanders Oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: who I played again in college to being a Gopher
Speaker 3: or he was an animal. He was carry oh, especially
Speaker 3: in college, because they built the entire defense around him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It was like Tyrone Carter when he was playing for
Speaker 3: the Gophers, right, and Gibbs built the entire defense around
Speaker 3: around Tyrone. Right, so they would just put him, you know,
Speaker 3: in in the gap, you know, against all the other
Speaker 3: defensive specialists. So Bob Sanders uh was such a powerful
Speaker 3: he was like a wrecking ball, right, shortened stature but
Speaker 3: being and everything else. And so getting hit that first
Speaker 3: day was like, okay, this is different. So yeah he
Speaker 3: did in practice. Yeah, do you remember to play I
Speaker 3: was just running an narrow route to the sideline, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean it was literally just you know, forty five
Speaker 3: degree angle two yards boom, safety coming down here. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, you know that's a that's where you tee
Speaker 3: off on the tight ends. So and being tall, you know,
Speaker 3: you're wide open across the.
Speaker 2: Bomb's like eight Yeah everybody.
Speaker 3: But fearless Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like that crazy. So Ben, what was that feeling? Like?
Speaker 2: Man winning Super Bowl forty one where you beat my
Speaker 2: got pinut?
Speaker 3: Like, there's this all this personal Listen, do you want
Speaker 3: to wear the ring? I mean I can teach.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm a past I feel like Thomas in
Speaker 1: the corner is like made this personal with with all
Speaker 1: these questions.
Speaker 2: I think you're taking it personally. Okay, I was asking, Yeah,
Speaker 2: his experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen it. Uh, you know, we all have these
Speaker 3: we all have these stories.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a very small river town in
Speaker 3: Minnesota called Hastings, literally on the Mississippi River. And uh,
Speaker 3: the the football stadium that we played in in high
Speaker 3: school was called Todd Field and it was a bowl
Speaker 3: literally cut out of the middle of this city of
Speaker 3: twelve twelve, thirteen, thousand people at the time, and so
Speaker 3: just to even come out of that type of community
Speaker 3: and have a chance to play college football, let alone
Speaker 3: for that to lead you to the greatest, you know,
Speaker 3: stage in athletics is it's hard to really put into words,
Speaker 3: you know. So so that Super Bowl was truly a
Speaker 3: dream come true for me, and it was a tough
Speaker 3: journey to get there, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what makes me appreciate it even more was it wasn't
Speaker 3: just handed out right, and there was there was a
Speaker 3: number of miracles that had to happen for me to
Speaker 3: even be on the Colts because of my injury my
Speaker 3: senior year and Tony Dungee was my miracle story to
Speaker 3: the NFL. So so there's all those woments. We were
Speaker 3: playing Wisconsin and I released on a corner route. I
Speaker 3: got about twelve yards, planted my foot, turned for the
Speaker 3: ball and heard and felt popping all across my lower
Speaker 3: abdomen and I ended up tearing the dominant muscles from
Speaker 3: the pubic bone on both sides.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, and I was up for the Mackie Award and
Speaker 3: was projected to go mid to late first round. I mean,
Speaker 3: this was a this was a big moment for me,
Speaker 3: and just like that, it was it was gone. And
Speaker 3: two months later, during the draft, I can't come to
Speaker 3: learn that all of the team's red flagued me as
Speaker 3: too much of a health risk at the combine. So
Speaker 3: went from being a potential first rounder to not getting
Speaker 3: drafted at all and driving up to my agent's office
Speaker 3: like holding back tears. I mean, I had my degree
Speaker 3: but didn't really know. Yeah, right, because you know, we
Speaker 3: put our exit in the football back absolutely. And two
Speaker 3: months before that experience, I'm speaking at a University of
Speaker 3: Minnesota alumni event and I get to open for Tony
Speaker 3: Dungee in front of about six seven hundred alumni. And
Speaker 3: I get up in front of this group and I say, hey, coach,
Speaker 3: if you really care about Minnesota, right, if you're a
Speaker 3: true Gopher, you're going to draft me in the upcoming draft.
Speaker 3: And everybody got a kick out of it, and he
Speaker 3: was gracious enough to respond, came to the mic hey,
Speaker 3: and then you know, we know how talented you are.
Speaker 3: We'd love to have you, but we drafted Dallas Clark
Speaker 3: last year in the first round, so we're not really
Speaker 3: looking for tight ends. Steps back from the podium, pauses
Speaker 3: as if he's being downloaded something right, Man of Faith,
Speaker 3: and he comes back to the mic and he says,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to make a promise to
Speaker 3: you in front of all these people. If for some
Speaker 3: reason you slip through the cracks and for some reason
Speaker 3: you don't get drafted, I promise you I'll be the
Speaker 3: first person to call. So fast forward two months. Get
Speaker 3: to my agent's office. Five seconds after the free agent
Speaker 3: market opens, the phone in the middle of his desk rings.
Speaker 3: I pick it up and it was Tony Dungee and
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame general manager Bill Pollian calling a free
Speaker 3: agent right. I left over and they said, look, we
Speaker 3: didn't think this was going to happen. Our physicians know
Speaker 3: what your injury is, so we want to send you
Speaker 3: to the top surgeon in the country. We want you
Speaker 3: to get better. We don't even want you to think
Speaker 3: about playing the first year. Just heal. And on top
Speaker 3: of that, we'll pay you as though you're a playing rookie.
Speaker 3: And here's thousand dollars signing bonus. And the miracle, guys,
Speaker 3: is like the next year, Dallas goes down with an
Speaker 3: injury last game in preseason. I get to start Sunday
Speaker 3: night kickoff against Ray Lewis and the Baltimore Ravens. Right
Speaker 3: third quarter, rolls around defensive safety botches the coverage, leaves
Speaker 3: me wide open. On the scene, Peyton hits me back
Speaker 3: shoulder touchdown, ran over that safety. I'm getting off the ground,
Speaker 3: I realized it's Deon Sanders. So my very first game,
Speaker 3: I get the game ball because I had an amazing game,
Speaker 3: caught a touchdown from a Hall of Fame quarterback, ran
Speaker 3: through arguably one of the greatest defensive players of all time.
Speaker 3: And I remained a starter on that team for the
Speaker 3: next three years and found my way onto a super
Speaker 3: Bowl platform. And it's it's only because of one man.
Speaker 3: It's only because of Tony Dungee.
Speaker 2: That's a great story's story.
Speaker 3: It is he and that's the reason I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know, I'm an entrepreneur, but I spend
Speaker 3: most of my time helping companies build championship culture. And
Speaker 3: it's all of what Dungee did in Indianapolis and turning
Speaker 3: all that into programs that can help transform culture in business.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you were blessed to play with or to be
Speaker 1: coached by does you, but you are also blessed enough
Speaker 1: to be with Peyton? What was what was that?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, man, would you would you?
Speaker 1: Would you learn from him?
Speaker 3: I learned the importance of professionalism and that it doesn't
Speaker 3: just extend on the field, like professionalism is three hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty degrees of who you are as a human being.
Speaker 3: And that was one of the things I really appreciated
Speaker 3: about Peyton was he was always a professional on the
Speaker 3: field and whenever he stepped on the field, just his execution,
Speaker 3: his level of excellence raised the bar for everybody else.
Speaker 3: But he was that way off the field, whether it
Speaker 3: was with his family, whether it was you know, with
Speaker 3: his business endeavors. He's bringing the same degree of preparation
Speaker 3: and practice to everything else that he's doing in life.
Speaker 3: Not not to say that he's perfect and none of
Speaker 3: us are, but but the degree, you know, to which
Speaker 3: I experienced that level of professionalism was.
Speaker 1: Was profound because he's demanding as the everyone. I think
Speaker 1: we've all heard the rumors about how monopoly is and
Speaker 1: demanding of your time, and it was so was he
Speaker 1: super demanding all the time. Because I know the story
Speaker 1: I got when we played on the Super Bowl we
Speaker 1: were kind of more of the South Beach area and
Speaker 1: you guys are like out and away and I heard him, yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard. He was just like, no, we're staying. I
Speaker 1: want to be further away. This is the business trip,
Speaker 1: the guys going out, like I heard, that was what
Speaker 1: I heard. Now, I don't know how true that part is.
Speaker 3: That was like, no, that's true, it's true, and I'll
Speaker 3: tell you and I've never shared this story, so sorry, Peyton,
Speaker 3: But but here's the thing, like this, so to your point,
Speaker 3: because this is this goes back to professionalism, right. So
Speaker 3: we're sitting in our team meeting talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: what the experience is going to be, like all of
Speaker 3: our wives were invited to this meeting as well, and
Speaker 3: Bill Pollian had shared that because we're going to be
Speaker 3: down there for a full week, for those of you
Speaker 3: that are married, we're going to allow your wives to
Speaker 3: stay with you during during the week of practice leading
Speaker 3: up to the performance. And all of a sudden, Peyton's
Speaker 3: hand goes up. You know, hey, Bill, you know I
Speaker 3: think we I think we need to talk through that
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, it's just it's something different
Speaker 3: than we've ever done before. And you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know if we should just make that decision right now. Okay, Peyton,
Speaker 3: we'll we'll talk about we'll talk about that move on.
Speaker 3: About five minutes later, Peyton stands up in the middle
Speaker 3: of the remedy says, hey, Bill, I just I just
Speaker 3: made the decision. Wives aren't going to be staying with
Speaker 3: husbands just like that, Okay, okay, Peyton, And they didn't,
Speaker 3: and they didn't, and it was the right move. And yes,
Speaker 3: there was some frustration, you know, at the moment, in
Speaker 3: the moment, but the reality was, we are going to
Speaker 3: treat this week the exact same way we treated every
Speaker 3: other single week. We're not going to be bringing in,
Speaker 3: you know, different experiences that could affect the mindset of
Speaker 3: the player. And it ultimately was the right call. But yes,
Speaker 3: there was he was demanding, you know. Yeah on the
Speaker 3: field too, man. I remember my first pass from Peyton
Speaker 3: was it was an arrow route and he threw it
Speaker 3: on my back, on my back hip, and I couldn't
Speaker 3: make the adjustment in time, and so I dropped, dropped
Speaker 3: the ball. And I learned real quick that you don't
Speaker 3: drop the ball right because he came flying up to
Speaker 3: me and he basically said. He basically said, I'm throwing
Speaker 3: the ball to specific locations because of what I'm seeing
Speaker 3: behind you, So you have to be ready for wherever
Speaker 3: I put the ball, right, I put it on your
Speaker 3: back hit because the corner came off of the receiver
Speaker 3: and he was coming down on your outside to clean
Speaker 3: you up. So I'm telling you by throwing the ball
Speaker 3: there that I want you to adjust and come and
Speaker 3: turn back inside and get get up the field. Right.
Speaker 2: Smart communication, It's smart.
Speaker 3: I mean it didn't sound smart at the time, and
Speaker 3: it was loud, right. I got taken out after that played,
Speaker 3: But that those types of demands were, you know, really
Speaker 3: were his leadership shined.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta be honest because what you just
Speaker 2: said about the Super Bowl, what the decision that was made.
Speaker 2: We'll call it a team decision, but didn't sound like
Speaker 2: it was. And so because when we played against the
Speaker 2: Colts in two thousand and ten Super Bowl or two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine season, we were down to Miami again, yep,
Speaker 2: and once again we were close to the South South Beach.
Speaker 2: We were more downtown though, yeah we're downtown Miammy Colts
Speaker 2: all the way, and Ford lauda deal. They were going
Speaker 2: to be the same way. And so when we saw them,
Speaker 2: we saw some of the players out on that Monday
Speaker 2: night and like they were acting very conservative, like they
Speaker 2: had been there before. And my team, gosh, no, we
Speaker 2: never been here before. Panama.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody had the escalator, let's go.
Speaker 1: That was we had to escalate and everyone they gave
Speaker 1: us the catalyp sponsors. We had guys like Rent and
Speaker 1: Lamborghini's for an hour, like it's just.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. We totally acted like we had never
Speaker 2: been there before, and luckily we wanted to stole the
Speaker 2: com possession won the game. But it's just funny, like
Speaker 2: how preparation but then also how things can be maniacal
Speaker 2: and how sometimes your your leaders or the players kind
Speaker 2: of run things the way that they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna take a short break and we'll.
Speaker 2: Be right back. You go on.
Speaker 1: Drafted, you played five seasons, got a pretty good bag
Speaker 1: in in in your career. What's one word that can
Speaker 1: describe your football career because it wasn't long.
Speaker 3: Oh man, one word that's the top fellas me. You need, well,
Speaker 3: I so you need I'm just gonna I'll just there
Speaker 3: are a number that come in my depending on where
Speaker 3: you want to you know, where you want to come from, right,
Speaker 3: because I wanted to play a lot longer than five years.
Speaker 3: I would I would say, if I choose more of
Speaker 3: the positive perspective, you know, either meaningful or blessed.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I mean it was cut short due to concussion, and
Speaker 3: I had a pretty significant one that ended it on
Speaker 3: hard knocks when I was playing in Cincinnati. So it
Speaker 3: wasn't a lack of talent, uh, it just it was
Speaker 3: a lack of you know, relevance really and and and
Speaker 3: the brain you know, being the most important part of
Speaker 3: who we are, so having to make a really tough decision,
Speaker 3: you know, due to brain house. So I don't want
Speaker 3: to say that because the other word that came to
Speaker 3: my mind was disappointment, right, because it wasn't but that
Speaker 3: moment and how it ended was and so but I
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, I'd say blessed is probably the best
Speaker 3: word to describe it, because everything that I'm doing now
Speaker 3: has really come out of that incredible experience.
Speaker 2: You brought something up, you said something that you know
Speaker 2: it was because of concussions, but then also it was
Speaker 2: on hard knocks. How does that like, how do you
Speaker 2: how often does that come up? How do you go
Speaker 2: about handling that with the cameras there in front of
Speaker 2: other people when you literally are like, I'm losing everything
Speaker 2: I think I've ever had worth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, man, And that's that was really to
Speaker 3: be a private moment. It's really hard. It was really hard, guys,
Speaker 3: you know, because I regained consciousness being strapped to a
Speaker 3: gurney and rushed to the to the hospital, and so,
Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot of trauma in in
Speaker 3: in that, just emotionally and so and then and then
Speaker 3: obviously healing right you you you know, everybody that they're
Speaker 3: wanting to HBO is wanting to follow up and get
Speaker 3: you back on camera as quickly as possible, but you know,
Speaker 3: how do you even know what you're gonna say in
Speaker 3: that moment? And being under lights like you know, like this,
Speaker 3: it's just it was it was really tough from that perspective.
Speaker 3: When I was finally cleared to play, you know, I
Speaker 3: went and tried out with the Patriots and and it
Speaker 3: became pretty apparent that the concussion history was going to
Speaker 3: be it was going to be an issue. But it's
Speaker 3: when my dad actually told me that if I signed
Speaker 3: with another team, he wouldn't watch me play again.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, And.
Speaker 3: That pretty much sealed the deal. That was. That was
Speaker 3: his way of saying, you know, your future is so
Speaker 3: much more important than, you know, than a game. You know,
Speaker 3: not that he didn't love the game and love watching
Speaker 3: me play, right, because it all started with him in
Speaker 3: the backyard. But I think I think I needed to
Speaker 3: hear those words from someone that I, you know, love
Speaker 3: so deeply, you know, to be able to kind of
Speaker 3: move on from something that I love. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I know, if that makes sense, but.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Yeah, Like I haven't spoken to anybody
Speaker 2: that's been in that situation where their careers kind of
Speaker 2: ended in the public view, like yeah, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're trying to battle back and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, but to have your father step
Speaker 2: in and be like, hey son, you know yeah, and
Speaker 2: he didn't want to tell you not to go back out, no, no,
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you this and then we'll see how
Speaker 2: you react, exactly like a real father.
Speaker 3: And my dad was a pastor, and so I grew
Speaker 3: up in a very you know, you know, we had
Speaker 3: a lot of conversations around around identity, and so for
Speaker 3: him it was it was always like been like you
Speaker 3: got to believe that where God closes one door, another
Speaker 3: door is going to open. And the doors that opened
Speaker 3: really were the answer to your question, right, because all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, something that became the worst part of
Speaker 3: my sports career, all of a sudden became the best
Speaker 3: part of my philanthropic career.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So when I when I retired, I got asked to
Speaker 3: be the national spokesperson for the American Academy of Neurology,
Speaker 3: which is, I believe it or not, in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
Speaker 3: and it's the most precigious neurology group in the world.
Speaker 3: I joined the Machio White Player Health and Safety Committee
Speaker 3: with the NFL Players Association, testified in Congress on behalf
Speaker 3: of the NFL Players Association was able to tell my
Speaker 3: story my concussion grievance was significant at a really significant
Speaker 3: time in the concussion injury in football, and so the
Speaker 3: outcome of that grievance would lead towards the new return
Speaker 3: to play protocols. So when you think of it, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like I really was a part of a movement
Speaker 3: and my injury is as tragic in some ways as
Speaker 3: it was for me personally, actually paved the way for,
Speaker 3: you know, the new policies that we have in play
Speaker 3: place for player health and safety today when it comes
Speaker 3: to football. It wouldn't have happened potentially without this exact
Speaker 3: situation and with how visible it was on television, because
Speaker 3: you can go back and watch it today, you know, And.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because like we could. That was the same
Speaker 2: thing with when Tua Tongue of Allo got his disoncussion.
Speaker 2: It was like if it would have been a regular
Speaker 2: Saturday Sunday game middle of the day, it's not even
Speaker 2: the thing, but the fact that it's on Sunday night
Speaker 2: or Monday night, everyone everybody saw it. At that point.
Speaker 2: He was like, well, the normal average fan is not
Speaker 2: used to seeing those type of things. And so, like
Speaker 2: you said, the visibility of it, yep, puts.
Speaker 3: It more as a premium absolutely, and especially because of
Speaker 3: the education that now exists. Because if you guys remember,
Speaker 3: you know, when we were playing before the concussion crisis
Speaker 3: as they call it began to occur, we didn't we
Speaker 3: don't we didn't really have any information. There was no
Speaker 3: protocol and there wasn't a lot of education around the
Speaker 3: long term impacts of traumatic brain injury inside the NFL,
Speaker 3: Outside the NFL, in the medical community, there's three decades
Speaker 3: of of information. So I think that the flooding in
Speaker 3: of education now makes people look at that injury differently.
Speaker 3: You know, so when they see two on the ground
Speaker 3: and he's and he's in a really, really tough shape,
Speaker 3: it's it's there's a lot more empathy, I think, and
Speaker 3: compassion for the injury, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some some post football business
Speaker 1: careers that you're into. So in September you started a
Speaker 1: company called soul Care soul Care are X. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that was a result of fungal infection.
Speaker 3: Yeah that you uh Cincinnati, Yeah, concussions and infections.
Speaker 2: I didn't get drafted there. Concussions and infections. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: probably they didn't even have the indoor then neither did
Speaker 2: they they did not? Yeah? No clean up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So talk talk about like go a little
Speaker 1: bit more in the shore, but like, yeah, what are
Speaker 1: the Obviously we know you had a fungel infection, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about why and how and well, at first.
Speaker 3: It starts with just the entrepreneurial spirit. I've I've always
Speaker 3: just been drawn towards, you know, being a creative right,
Speaker 3: That's that's where the music part of me came out,
Speaker 3: and so always driven towards the development or innovation of something,
Speaker 3: and the building of of something was something I was
Speaker 3: always drawn towards. And that's what I've done in my
Speaker 3: my speaking business and my culture and leadership business, and
Speaker 3: then with soul Care, it really just came out of
Speaker 3: an experience and asking a question, you know, is there
Speaker 3: a disposable antibacterial and fungal you know, wearable shower, wearable
Speaker 3: that I can put on my foot instead of a
Speaker 3: flip flop because I was wearing flip flops.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, were you the guy with no flip flops?
Speaker 3: But which there's a lot of by the way, I
Speaker 3: sat there in Lifetime Fitness in Minnesota, just counting as
Speaker 3: I'm you know, building this product, like, how many guys
Speaker 3: are actually wearing flip flops? So most don't now in
Speaker 3: in you know, in the league obviously, you know there
Speaker 3: you get a lot more guys that are that are
Speaker 3: that are wearing slides, but but the reality is they're
Speaker 3: not anti bacterial and and the bacterian fungus actually combined
Speaker 3: to the to the side. And then how often do
Speaker 3: we disinfect? Did you ever disinfect your sandals anytime you've
Speaker 3: ever used them?
Speaker 2: Right, felt like the soap. It like.
Speaker 3: It was just the bottom of my foot, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The bottom, not the bottom of a foot, was the
Speaker 1: bottom of this.
Speaker 3: I got this thing in training camp and it was
Speaker 3: not athletes foot. It was something else, and it and
Speaker 3: it it took a took about three weeks a couple
Speaker 3: of pediatrists to get the right prescription and then it
Speaker 3: and then it was a better part of three months
Speaker 3: before really really yeah, I'm telling you scarring on my
Speaker 3: left foot from the dry and cracking skin. Not to
Speaker 3: get too gross, but I mean, you know, we get
Speaker 3: athletes foot and there's stuff like this, but this was
Speaker 3: this was on a different level. And I didn't lose performance,
Speaker 3: but I definitely was on my mind. I could I
Speaker 3: could feel it right, the burning in the in the itching,
Speaker 3: and and so when I retired and I was back
Speaker 3: kind of in civilian fitness facility lifestyle, I just couldn't believe,
Speaker 3: you know, what the floors look like and they cleaned
Speaker 3: once a day, just like they did in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 3: and so, uh, I literally went on Amazon and I
Speaker 3: was like, just to be something I can just out
Speaker 3: of side, out of mind. I can just put on
Speaker 3: my foot, easy, wash my foot through, you know, and
Speaker 3: then just throw it away. And there was nothing. It's
Speaker 3: never been created. So I patented it and it's the
Speaker 3: first ever in the world. It's the only the only
Speaker 3: alternative is a is a flip flopper, a slide. And
Speaker 3: so I met with a very good friend of mine,
Speaker 3: Mario Nazzarella, who is a global leader in medtech in Minneapolis,
Speaker 3: and he said, that's an amazing idea. I know exactly
Speaker 3: how to build that company. So I've got a guy
Speaker 3: who has forty years experience and has led multiple companies
Speaker 3: to acquisition, who's now helping build soul Care.
Speaker 2: That is exciting.
Speaker 1: That's telling you, I'm gonna go out on the website
Speaker 1: and get me some of them. It'd be great for
Speaker 1: traveling too.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's it's the guys. The verticals are are insane.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the podiatrists that I worked with at the University
Speaker 3: of Minnesota said, anywhere a foot touch is tile. So
Speaker 3: you're thinking university dormitories obviously, athletics, hotels, which is a
Speaker 3: travel industry, campgrounds of America, truck stops on and on
Speaker 3: anywhere a foot touch is tile, and and the sock
Speaker 3: is treated with a fragrance so it smells it. So
Speaker 3: it's treating odor while at the same time having a
Speaker 3: technology application that repels all bacteria and fungus and you
Speaker 3: can wash your foot, you know, through the sock. So honestly,
Speaker 3: it should be in every hotel room.
Speaker 2: Is that like it's like you already got the selling
Speaker 2: points ofself anywhere foot touches.
Speaker 3: Tied anywhere foot touches tile.
Speaker 1: Is that an ankle sock?
Speaker 3: Is it? It's like a no show ankle sock. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So you're literally just you know, just imagine like a
Speaker 3: you know, the the the doctor's glove boxes, you know,
Speaker 3: on the wall, just being able to pull those out
Speaker 3: or as I've been meeting with with college trainers, they
Speaker 3: love the idea of just being able to pull them
Speaker 3: out of the box and put a pair on everybody's seat,
Speaker 3: so you know, you come off the field, you know
Speaker 3: you're traveling away, and you know you can just put
Speaker 3: the sock on and and we we honestly like to
Speaker 3: look at the sock as is not the foe to
Speaker 3: the slide, but it's actually it's actually a friend.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So if you love wearing flip flops, keep wearing them.
Speaker 3: Just put the shot on so that when all that
Speaker 3: water that you're slashing around comes up on top of
Speaker 3: your foot and stuff like that, you've got something that's
Speaker 3: actually repelling all that all that bacteria. Right.
Speaker 2: So when I read about this company that you did, like,
Speaker 2: I thought it was like fantastic. God damn, was like
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 3: Nobody else, you know, I didn't literally I couldn't believe
Speaker 3: it either.
Speaker 2: And I read your story. You said like I just asked,
Speaker 2: and nobody ever did it, right, And that was the thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, why nobody ever did that? And
Speaker 2: so great answer and great question because more people should
Speaker 2: have been asking this. And I just thought the slide
Speaker 2: was enough. I did too. You told me that you're disinfected.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, yeah, no, I thought walking on
Speaker 1: the bottom of.
Speaker 2: It was that was the point.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a barrier, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's not it's not it And and guys, there's a
Speaker 3: you know, getting into this world, this pedietric world, there's
Speaker 3: a there's a huge humanitarian crisis. So we we've already
Speaker 3: started working with Samaritan's Feet out of Charlotte and the
Speaker 3: World Shoe and and they're the number one nonprofit to
Speaker 3: provide you know, footwear or shoes to the under resourced
Speaker 3: communities and countries of the world. Right founders from Nigeria, Africa.
Speaker 3: They just gave away their eleventh million, millionth pair of shoe.
Speaker 3: And so the reality is as you I mean, you've
Speaker 3: got the spa and the fitness culture, but then you've
Speaker 3: got a world where you know, you have extreme infection
Speaker 3: that comes out of contaminated soil that millions upon millions
Speaker 3: of people are are walking through all across countries like Africa.
Speaker 3: And how can we work with the UN and the
Speaker 3: World Health Organization that are that are creating wellness kits
Speaker 3: that are going out to all of these all of
Speaker 3: these families and and and partner with them and and
Speaker 3: give them another additive that can be protective and and
Speaker 3: hopefully provide some some safety.
Speaker 2: Well ben what other products I know, you're still just
Speaker 2: going to lots here, Yeah, next the next month or
Speaker 2: so but when what what other products do you have
Speaker 2: in mind or that you would like to see next
Speaker 2: up for you guys.
Speaker 3: It's a great question and one that you always have
Speaker 3: to be asking yourself, you know, as an entrepreneur, so
Speaker 3: that you know this is one of the This is
Speaker 3: one of the the blessings of having somebody like Mario
Speaker 3: running the ship. Is is kind of the experience in
Speaker 3: medtech and and and really walking through the FDA approval
Speaker 3: process and the patent process. So the reason for soul
Speaker 3: Care r ex is that we are already in the
Speaker 3: process of filing for new products in the future that
Speaker 3: not only will be preventatives, but will be treatment. Right,
Speaker 3: So the ability to have wearables that can actually treat
Speaker 3: different types of infection, so not just protection but also treatment,
Speaker 3: right because right now we just basically have aerosol or ointment,
Speaker 3: but imagine being able to put something on that can
Speaker 3: treat like a.
Speaker 2: Wearable I can get eight yeah, treat me for eight.
Speaker 3: Hours exactly that you can wear when you sleep, and
Speaker 3: you can wear underneath the sock, I mean you can
Speaker 3: you can be doing some pretty powerful treatments through that
Speaker 3: process as well. So we definitely want to see that
Speaker 3: product line grow over time.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. I'm the president of Charles Tillman Incorporated, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to navigate that as being a CEO. How
Speaker 1: are you navigating in a new CEO? Don't make that face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. The learning curve has been awesome because, you know,
Speaker 3: the the job of a CEO is really too is
Speaker 3: really to understand all aspects of of the business, you know,
Speaker 3: to the to the degree that you can have an impact,
Speaker 3: right and then to really like a head coach right
Speaker 3: in a scouting department, you want to you want to
Speaker 3: acquire talent that is going to be able to fill
Speaker 3: you know, the gaps and to be able to support
Speaker 3: the vision that the CEO is is giving. And so
Speaker 3: that's been you know, being more on the creative side.
Speaker 3: Having to understand the importance of operations has been you know,
Speaker 3: probably the greatest challenge for me is is I think
Speaker 3: especially as an athlete, we come into teams and they
Speaker 3: have everything perfectly struck. Yeah, exactly right. But now you
Speaker 3: have as a CEO, you have to be the one
Speaker 3: to develop the structure. And so that that was kind
Speaker 3: of a wake up call. Wow, Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 3: more that goes into building a successful business than just
Speaker 3: showing up and playing every day.
Speaker 2: So, you know you, and you've mentioned Coach Dungee previously,
Speaker 2: what do you think that you've learned from maybe Coach
Speaker 2: Dungee or any of your other former players that will
Speaker 2: help you in your leadership style as being the CEO.
Speaker 2: I've heard you've already said it's about talent acquisition, yep,
Speaker 2: all right, getting great players and people around you. But then,
Speaker 2: what else do you think you've learned from.
Speaker 3: The greatest thing that I learned from Tony Dungee was
Speaker 3: that culture does not have to be subjective. It's the
Speaker 3: most talked about theme in business, but most people don't
Speaker 3: know what to do about it. But that culture can
Speaker 3: be an objective tool that you can build by design,
Speaker 3: because you're always going to have culture by designer default, right,
Speaker 3: because culture comes out of foundational beliefs and the behaviors
Speaker 3: that are representative of those beliefs. Right. So for Dungee,
Speaker 3: it was about, like, when we build our culture in Indianapolis,
Speaker 3: we're actually going to create systems around how to practice
Speaker 3: our value principles so that we're actually developing ourselves as men,
Speaker 3: because Roman, what he believed was that if you build
Speaker 3: better men, you get better football players. And you know
Speaker 3: this with your with your coach. Yeah, Ivey was the same.
Speaker 1: Way, identical, And I mean those two thous were identical.
Speaker 1: They just worked for two different teams. Never curse, never
Speaker 1: really shouted, don't knew how to talk to you. You
Speaker 1: could could motivate you just about looking at you, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you always wanted us to go out there and
Speaker 1: give a coach Smith, the coach Dungee. You're all great men.
Speaker 3: But to that point, so like because Dungee was the
Speaker 3: same way, right, no vulgarity, Okay, But then he turned
Speaker 3: that into an action, actual system and an expectation of
Speaker 3: the team. And so he actually uh described exactly really
Speaker 3: spend time talking about why why why do I want
Speaker 3: you to not use vulgar language in these specific areas
Speaker 3: and how does that how is that reflective of the team,
Speaker 3: and how is that reflective of your character as a man. Now,
Speaker 3: what you do outside of outside of the field, that's
Speaker 3: on you. But when you're in my house, Okay, here's
Speaker 3: the system for how we're going to best present ourselves
Speaker 3: as men of integrity, and so that was kind of
Speaker 3: the rule. And here's how we're going to practice it.
Speaker 3: You know, when you're when you're in the locker room,
Speaker 3: when you're out on the field and there are cameras
Speaker 3: around it, and describing objectively, here are the situations. I
Speaker 3: do not want you to use, you know, bad language, right,
Speaker 3: making it really easy for the players to you know,
Speaker 3: to be able to go and practice just a different
Speaker 3: kind of practice.
Speaker 1: So a lot of time Rome plays golf, and I
Speaker 1: know he does a lot of he does a lot
Speaker 1: of ninja training. Oh right, Yeah, So my question is
Speaker 1: do you still own the Concor Ninja JEMs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one of my that's one, that's one
Speaker 3: my other Yeah, it's one of my other endeavors. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I uh, I kind of act as a fractional chief
Speaker 3: culture officer for Concor Ninja Gyms and I'm an owner
Speaker 3: in that, in that franchise.
Speaker 2: Say that one more time. Yeah, that was a great word,
Speaker 2: sandwiche right there.
Speaker 3: That's a word, sandwich. It's a tasty word, sandwich.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, I got to know Concord Ninja Gyms,
Speaker 3: which is the fastest growing ninja franchise in the country
Speaker 3: right now and they're headquartered in in Minnesota and became
Speaker 3: a part of that group as an owner, but then
Speaker 3: also brought in all of my expertise on how to
Speaker 3: build organizational culture, especially in franchising, because you you're scaling it, right,
Speaker 3: so you want to replicate the success of somebody like
Speaker 3: a Chi where you experienced the same culture of hospitality
Speaker 3: in every single location. So how do we build that
Speaker 3: out through the sport of ninja, which is just I
Speaker 3: think just accepted into the twenty twenty eight Olympics as
Speaker 3: one of their next sports. So it's going to be
Speaker 3: huge for the business. Yeah, but it's it's a great
Speaker 3: franchise and and I'm I'm really excited about that growth.
Speaker 2: So have you ever done any Ninja Warriors? Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you like big, you're a tall guy.
Speaker 3: I know, but I got it, man, when I got
Speaker 3: into it, I could I could do some stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like you'd be shocked some stuff. Yeah, like the salmon ladder.
Speaker 3: Forget about it. I own that's where you're taking the
Speaker 3: bar and you're.
Speaker 2: Like way up one.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yep, what about that. I would actually
Speaker 3: go and do my I'd actually go.
Speaker 2: And do work. I feel like the rams easy because
Speaker 2: you're tall.
Speaker 3: Do you think the ramp is easy? But once you
Speaker 3: get into that fourteen sixteen eighteen feet yeah, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, that ramp starts to come back out
Speaker 3: at you. Yeah, and then you got to grab it,
Speaker 3: and then you got to pull yourself up. And it's
Speaker 3: a lot higher when you're up top when you're on
Speaker 3: the bottom. Right.
Speaker 1: But I went to the show one time, Akuar, he
Speaker 1: basically was saying the majority of the people that do
Speaker 1: American Ninja Warrior, like they get on the show. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's not people like us. He's like, we're one, we're
Speaker 1: too tall, we're heavy. He's like these guys that normally
Speaker 1: do it, they're about He's like yeah, he's like peanut,
Speaker 1: the someent little kids like they like five sem five six,
Speaker 1: they fly No, they fly it. Hey, He's like, they
Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty five pounds, the big grip stuff.
Speaker 3: We can we can pull off. It's it's the it's
Speaker 3: the wall. It's you know, when you're on an inch
Speaker 3: board and you having to hang on that's where we
Speaker 3: that's where we can't handle it. But but no, great
Speaker 3: for kids. Man, what an awesome you know, it's called
Speaker 3: the fitness entertainment industry enfranchising, right, and so it's awesome
Speaker 3: for kids. So we've built out an entire culture platform
Speaker 3: that revolves around seven core values. Each of those values
Speaker 3: are placed as symbols that are on all of the
Speaker 3: padding in every location. So training coaches to not just
Speaker 3: train ninja, but to train about integrity, to train about
Speaker 3: courage and respect and really, so as kids are going
Speaker 3: through the coaching, not only are they getting you know,
Speaker 3: athletic training, but they're getting life skill training. And that
Speaker 3: was a big That was a big differentiator we wanted
Speaker 3: to bring to the table.
Speaker 2: So, Ben, something I clearly didn't know about you until
Speaker 2: we did some research shout out to Thomas in the corner,
Speaker 2: is that you were also a singer, I know, crazy
Speaker 2: and songwriter.
Speaker 1: Singer songwriter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so how did you get into that? I
Speaker 2: remember you said your father was a pastor, so I
Speaker 2: assume you kind of grew.
Speaker 3: Up grew around singing in the church for sure.
Speaker 2: My dad was I sang the church. I just well,
Speaker 2: really yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was what do it? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: Tom waited time out? When did you did you sing
Speaker 2: happy Day, No, like I was in the choir. Bro
Speaker 2: like I was in the group. I just couldn't get
Speaker 2: to that because then I'm off key and I'm like.
Speaker 3: He was like.
Speaker 2: A choir exactly.
Speaker 3: That's good. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, they don't turn anybody down to the church.
Speaker 3: No, all are welcome, Come as you are, Come as
Speaker 3: you everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No. My dad was a vocal music major to be
Speaker 3: a choir teacher before he became a pastor. So I
Speaker 3: grew up, you know, around music and and got some
Speaker 3: training at home.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then that turned into professional singing in college. I
Speaker 3: started doing all the national anthems at the University of Minnesota. Really,
Speaker 3: I got to sing for to presidents. Then I signed
Speaker 3: a record deal in Nashville when I was playing for
Speaker 3: the Colts. Ended up ended up meeting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a funny story. I was speaking uh
Speaker 3: in Anderson, Indiana, and afterwards a just a you know,
Speaker 3: crazy excited blonde woman wearing a Peyton man in Jersey
Speaker 3: rushes me, Oh, I can't. I just love the Colts,
Speaker 3: you know, would you sign this for me? I said, sure?
Speaker 3: Who do I make it out to? And she said
Speaker 3: Sandy Patty. And I went, Sandy Patty like the most
Speaker 3: decorated female singer in history outside of CELINDI on Sandy Patty.
Speaker 3: And she's an inspirational Christian singer. But has you know
Speaker 3: I can't even remember six six, eight, six seven or
Speaker 3: eight grammys. I mean, she's I grew up listening to
Speaker 3: Sandy Patty, right if you grew up in the church,
Speaker 3: you grew up listening to Sandy Patty. And I said,
Speaker 3: you need to sign this for me. Well, she ended
Speaker 3: up becoming my my singing mentor and introduced me to
Speaker 3: all of our management in Nashville, and and so I
Speaker 3: ended up signing. That's how I ended up signing a
Speaker 3: record deal. Through that process. I think I'm actually the
Speaker 3: only player in NFL history too, just to sing before
Speaker 3: he ever played. So I got asked to sing the
Speaker 3: national anthem at the Buffalo Bill's preseason game really in Indianapolis. No,
Speaker 3: not in the uniform, No, because I just had that surgery,
Speaker 3: so I was I wasn't playing yet at that point,
Speaker 3: but the Indianapolis market first experienced me as a singer
Speaker 3: and not as a football player. That was crazy, and
Speaker 3: nobody knew like none of the coaching staff. Now, none
Speaker 3: of the players knew, right, they were all out on
Speaker 3: the sideline, and then all of a sudden it gets
Speaker 3: announced and uh and so that was really that was
Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't even know they dropped jod Ron.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, it was I think it
Speaker 3: was something that just completely blew them away. And then
Speaker 3: the year after our Super Bowl year, I got asked
Speaker 3: to sing with Sandy and the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra during
Speaker 3: the month of December. Yeah, and I went to Tony
Speaker 3: and Bill Poyne, and I was pretty nervous about asking
Speaker 3: because I didn't want them to think that I wasn't
Speaker 3: focused on football, but they were gracious enough to say, look,
Speaker 3: as long as your play doesn't doesn't suffer, then by
Speaker 3: all means, So I ended I ended up performing at
Speaker 3: sixteen concerts with the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra during our season
Speaker 3: in the month of December. I would literally go from
Speaker 3: home games, run off through the Indianapolis Skyway to the
Speaker 3: Orchestra Hall and then and then go on stage with
Speaker 3: Sandy and sing. It's really crazy though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when you would sing in
Speaker 2: college like the colts didn't know you had to like,
Speaker 2: did they not scout good enough? They were not asking
Speaker 2: to write place?
Speaker 3: They don't care, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, but like, how did this?
Speaker 2: How did you start this in college though? Because most people,
Speaker 2: you know, and we all got one or two guys
Speaker 2: that can sing on the team, but.
Speaker 3: Someone yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't you know, someone found
Speaker 3: out about it, and I got a call from the
Speaker 3: event organizer for the Minnesota Go for hockey team and
Speaker 3: basically saying, look, we heard that that you're a singer.
Speaker 3: Would you ever be interested in doing an anthem? And
Speaker 3: so that's really how that's the first time I stepped
Speaker 3: out in front of you know, ten thousand people in
Speaker 3: an arena and actually sing. And then and then once
Speaker 3: you do that, you know, you just start getting getting
Speaker 3: the invitations, right, So that's really where that started to lead.
Speaker 3: And then Sandy was the next step in actually giving
Speaker 3: me an opportunity to pursue music as a as a career.
Speaker 3: And I always thought that that was going to have
Speaker 3: a lot of potential, but I just learned really quickly
Speaker 3: that the only business harder than the NFL is is
Speaker 3: you know, music, and film entertainment. Yeah, because it doesn't
Speaker 3: It doesn't really have to do with talent. It has
Speaker 3: to do with timing and money right and knowing the
Speaker 3: right people at the right time right because they're so
Speaker 3: I mean, you just go to Nashville Broadway Gray Street
Speaker 3: any night and and you're going to hear people that
Speaker 3: are just unbelievable, but they'll never make it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's artists, that's what That's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so you know, I I its just I was
Speaker 3: I was touring and and and some some good things
Speaker 3: are happening, but just never that burst into into being
Speaker 3: able to turn it into a career because you need
Speaker 3: to have, you know, tens of thousands of loyal fans
Speaker 3: to really provide you with the the revenue that you
Speaker 3: need to to make it something that you can provide
Speaker 3: for your family. And my speaking career was was really
Speaker 3: taken off at that time. And and so we just
Speaker 3: had twins. We have four daughters, So pray for me, please.
Speaker 3: Fifteen identical twins are fourteen and nine, and so two
Speaker 3: sets of twins, nope, just one. So fifteen identical twins
Speaker 3: are fourteen and then and then nine years old.
Speaker 2: Oh my math was wrong.
Speaker 1: I was like wait wait yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I reacted that way anyways.
Speaker 2: So how do you do you guys who has twins
Speaker 2: in their family? None?
Speaker 3: Identicals? Are the are the ones that are not? But
Speaker 3: you know they're not. No, it's just it's just the Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the magical moment. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. No, thank you, No,
Speaker 3: it was great, but you know, and we needed help
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. So that so we were
Speaker 3: we we moved back home. We were living in Nashville
Speaker 3: at the time, and so we moved back home just
Speaker 3: to be around family. But I wouldn't trade it for
Speaker 3: the world. Man. I love being a girl.
Speaker 1: Dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're amazing, all volleyball players, very good, very good.
Speaker 3: So our fifteen year old is she's highly recruited and
Speaker 3: so it's going to be an interesting year.
Speaker 2: That's going to be. That's gotta be awesome.
Speaker 3: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: How how intense are you? And like, how yeah are you?
Speaker 2: Volleyball is a very interesting sport because it's very emotional
Speaker 2: for sure, and like the spikes and it's not as
Speaker 2: physical because they got the net exactly, but it's still
Speaker 2: the emotions in the highs and the lows, like even
Speaker 2: a basketball game, because the back and forth.
Speaker 3: It made me respect guys like Tony Dongee and Lovey
Speaker 3: Smith because of that quiet strength. How they could just
Speaker 3: sit there on the sidelines when things didn't go well
Speaker 3: and not just you know, lose their minds, you know,
Speaker 3: and and realizing how much more chance lungeinge that actually
Speaker 3: is right? And and how do you manage that because
Speaker 3: you don't want your kids to you know, see you
Speaker 3: reacting that way because you're reliving your own athletic experiences
Speaker 3: at the same time. That's right, And then you know,
Speaker 3: I think the hardest thing though, is you know, you
Speaker 3: know they tell you don't coach your kids. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: so hard for me, it is. It's so hard because
Speaker 3: I feel like I know everything because I because I
Speaker 3: played one sport at the level so well, wait a second,
Speaker 3: does that give me a pass? Like can I should
Speaker 3: be the one that can coach my daughter? Because I
Speaker 3: have absolutely But that's yeah, so I I I actually
Speaker 3: do stay pretty involved. I want to do whatever I
Speaker 3: can to give them the best opportunity possible.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on the pots. You learned a
Speaker 1: lot about you than you.
Speaker 3: Yes, you got to get it, man. I'll have samples
Speaker 3: here tomorrow at the NFL Legends Business event. So if
Speaker 3: you guys are around a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is des the website looking one of the lookingto
Speaker 1: that camera right there and tell us where you can
Speaker 1: get it showerstock dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're already selling it. Yea, so easy, man, was
Speaker 3: gonna be like something.
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, that was your second I'm done.
Speaker 2: Ye easy to remember. Congratulations. Football in life has this
Speaker 2: weird way of taking us on this journey that we
Speaker 2: don't know the end of, but yours it seems to
Speaker 2: be getting brighter by the day. I appreciate seeing her.
Speaker 2: You got four beautiful girls, seem like you're you're doing.
Speaker 2: You're on the right path man, and football to to
Speaker 2: get taken away from you to all of a sudden
Speaker 2: now aspire you and open up all these other doors
Speaker 2: and avenues and knowing that but you're taking this opportunity
Speaker 2: and you're helping others. So for that, I'm very appreciative
Speaker 2: and thankful for this time getting to share your experience
Speaker 2: and experience and sharing it with me and Peanuts and thanks,
Speaker 2: thank you guys. Appreciate it, sir. All right man, Hey,
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