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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in. I'm Peanut Tillman and this is

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Speaker 1: the NFL Player's second act podcast with me as always

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Speaker 1: as my my trustee, good friend with the beige.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to think of a great compass. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I got nothing. I got nothing. Thank you as always

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Speaker 2: tuning in. Make sure you give us a five star rating.

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Speaker 2: Hit that like subscribe button. Peanut, I'm really excited about

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Speaker 2: this young man that we have in the building. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that excited about.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand you. I forgot. I want you

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Speaker 2: to introduce this person. I'm so angry right now.

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Speaker 1: I just got mad.

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Speaker 2: I will handle that, okay. Well, this guy played tight

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Speaker 2: end for five seasons with the NFL. In the NFL

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Speaker 2: with the Colts and the Bengals. He was a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl champion with the Indianapolis Coach beat Peanuts the Chicago

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Speaker 2: Bears in Super Bowl forty one. He's a singer songwriter

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Speaker 2: and I've listened to a couple of them, and has

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Speaker 2: released multiple albums. He's now the CEO of soul Care RX,

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Speaker 2: which makes the first ever fully disposable anti bacterial shower sock.

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Speaker 2: Everybody welcome in.

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Speaker 3: Ben you Yon. Thank you, fellas, thank you thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me and I listen, I dig, I dig the

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Speaker 3: setup you got going on?

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You got the Blues mansion, We got the socks, We

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Speaker 3: got the socks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this was the Shoela very And then this

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Speaker 2: is intentional, very intentional. Yeah, everything, that's huge when I

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Speaker 2: come out here, very intentional, as Peanut likes to say.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, so what was your welcome to the

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Speaker 2: NFL moment?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the NFL moment was Bob Sanders Oh, okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: who I played again in college to being a Gopher

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Speaker 3: or he was an animal. He was carry oh, especially

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Speaker 3: in college, because they built the entire defense around him.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It was like Tyrone Carter when he was playing for

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Speaker 3: the Gophers, right, and Gibbs built the entire defense around

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Speaker 3: around Tyrone. Right, so they would just put him, you know,

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Speaker 3: defensive specialists. So Bob Sanders uh was such a powerful

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Speaker 3: he was like a wrecking ball, right, shortened stature but

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Speaker 3: being and everything else. And so getting hit that first

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Speaker 3: day was like, okay, this is different. So yeah he

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Speaker 3: did in practice. Yeah, do you remember to play I

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Speaker 3: was just running an narrow route to the sideline, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean it was literally just you know, forty five

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Speaker 2: Bomb's like eight Yeah everybody.

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Speaker 3: But fearless Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like that crazy. So Ben, what was that feeling? Like?

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Speaker 2: Man winning Super Bowl forty one where you beat my

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Speaker 3: Like, there's this all this personal Listen, do you want

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm a past I feel like Thomas in

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Speaker 2: I think you're taking it personally. Okay, I was asking, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen it. Uh, you know, we all have these

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Speaker 3: we all have these stories.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a very small river town in

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Speaker 3: So, and I was up for the Mackie Award and

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Speaker 3: looking for tight ends. Steps back from the podium, pauses

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Speaker 3: It's only because of Tony Dungee.

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Speaker 3: It is he and that's the reason I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know, I'm an entrepreneur, but I spend

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Speaker 1: Well, you were blessed to play with or to be

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Speaker 1: to be with Peyton? What was what was that?

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Speaker 3: I learned the importance of professionalism and that it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Not not to say that he's perfect and none of

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Speaker 3: Bill Pollian had shared that because we're going to be

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Speaker 3: That pretty much sealed the deal. That was. That was

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Speaker 1: that was a result of fungal infection.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that you uh Cincinnati, Yeah, concussions and infections.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get drafted there. Concussions and infections. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: It starts with just the entrepreneurial spirit. I've I've always

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Speaker 2: I was wondering, were you the guy with no flip flops?

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Speaker 3: athletes foot and there's stuff like this, but this was

436
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: this was on a different level. And I didn't lose performance,

437
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: but I definitely was on my mind. I could I

438
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: could feel it right, the burning in the in the itching,

439
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 3: and and so when I retired and I was back

440
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: kind of in civilian fitness facility lifestyle, I just couldn't believe,

441
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, what the floors look like and they cleaned

442
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: once a day, just like they did in Cincinnati, and

443
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: and so, uh, I literally went on Amazon and I

444
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: was like, just to be something I can just out

445
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: of side, out of mind. I can just put on

446
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: my foot, easy, wash my foot through, you know, and

447
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: then just throw it away. And there was nothing. It's

448
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: never been created. So I patented it and it's the

449
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: first ever in the world. It's the only the only

450
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: alternative is a is a flip flopper, a slide. And

451
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: so I met with a very good friend of mine,

452
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: Mario Nazzarella, who is a global leader in medtech in Minneapolis,

453
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: and he said, that's an amazing idea. I know exactly

454
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: how to build that company. So I've got a guy

455
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 3: who has forty years experience and has led multiple companies

456
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: to acquisition, who's now helping build soul Care.

457
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: That is exciting.

458
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: That's telling you, I'm gonna go out on the website

459
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: and get me some of them. It'd be great for

460
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: traveling too.

461
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's it's the guys. The verticals are are insane.

462
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: Right.

463
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: So the podiatrists that I worked with at the University

464
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: of Minnesota said, anywhere a foot touch is tile. So

465
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: you're thinking university dormitories obviously, athletics, hotels, which is a

466
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: travel industry, campgrounds of America, truck stops on and on

467
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: anywhere a foot touch is tile, and and the sock

468
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: is treated with a fragrance so it smells it. So

469
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: it's treating odor while at the same time having a

470
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: technology application that repels all bacteria and fungus and you

471
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: can wash your foot, you know, through the sock. So honestly,

472
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: it should be in every hotel room.

473
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: Is that like it's like you already got the selling

474
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: points ofself anywhere foot touches.

475
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: Tied anywhere foot touches tile.

476
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: Is that an ankle sock?

477
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: Is it? It's like a no show ankle sock. Yeah,

478
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: So you're literally just you know, just imagine like a

479
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: you know, the the the doctor's glove boxes, you know,

480
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: on the wall, just being able to pull those out

481
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: or as I've been meeting with with college trainers, they

482
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: love the idea of just being able to pull them

483
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: out of the box and put a pair on everybody's seat,

484
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: so you know, you come off the field, you know

485
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: you're traveling away, and you know you can just put

486
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: the sock on and and we we honestly like to

487
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: look at the sock as is not the foe to

488
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: the slide, but it's actually it's actually a friend.

489
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: Right.

490
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: So if you love wearing flip flops, keep wearing them.

491
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: Just put the shot on so that when all that

492
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: water that you're slashing around comes up on top of

493
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: your foot and stuff like that, you've got something that's

494
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: actually repelling all that all that bacteria. Right.

495
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: So when I read about this company that you did, like,

496
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was like fantastic. God damn, was like

497
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that.

498
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: Nobody else, you know, I didn't literally I couldn't believe

499
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: it either.

500
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: And I read your story. You said like I just asked,

501
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: and nobody ever did it, right, And that was the thing.

502
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, why nobody ever did that? And

503
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: so great answer and great question because more people should

504
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: have been asking this. And I just thought the slide

505
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: was enough. I did too. You told me that you're disinfected.

506
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: I was like, well, yeah, no, I thought walking on

507
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: the bottom of.

508
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: It was that was the point.

509
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a barrier, but it's you know,

510
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: it's not it's not it And and guys, there's a

511
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, getting into this world, this pedietric world, there's

512
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: a there's a huge humanitarian crisis. So we we've already

513
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: started working with Samaritan's Feet out of Charlotte and the

514
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: World Shoe and and they're the number one nonprofit to

515
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: provide you know, footwear or shoes to the under resourced

516
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: communities and countries of the world. Right founders from Nigeria, Africa.

517
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: They just gave away their eleventh million, millionth pair of shoe.

518
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: And so the reality is as you I mean, you've

519
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: got the spa and the fitness culture, but then you've

520
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: got a world where you know, you have extreme infection

521
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: that comes out of contaminated soil that millions upon millions

522
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: of people are are walking through all across countries like Africa.

523
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: And how can we work with the UN and the

524
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: World Health Organization that are that are creating wellness kits

525
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: that are going out to all of these all of

526
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: these families and and and partner with them and and

527
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: give them another additive that can be protective and and

528
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: hopefully provide some some safety.

529
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: Well ben what other products I know, you're still just

530
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: going to lots here, Yeah, next the next month or

531
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: so but when what what other products do you have

532
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: in mind or that you would like to see next

533
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: up for you guys.

534
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: It's a great question and one that you always have

535
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: to be asking yourself, you know, as an entrepreneur, so

536
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: that you know this is one of the This is

537
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: one of the the blessings of having somebody like Mario

538
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: running the ship. Is is kind of the experience in

539
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: medtech and and and really walking through the FDA approval

540
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: process and the patent process. So the reason for soul

541
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: Care r ex is that we are already in the

542
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: process of filing for new products in the future that

543
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: not only will be preventatives, but will be treatment. Right,

544
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: So the ability to have wearables that can actually treat

545
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: different types of infection, so not just protection but also treatment,

546
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: right because right now we just basically have aerosol or ointment,

547
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: but imagine being able to put something on that can

548
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: treat like a.

549
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: Wearable I can get eight yeah, treat me for eight.

550
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: Hours exactly that you can wear when you sleep, and

551
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: you can wear underneath the sock, I mean you can

552
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: you can be doing some pretty powerful treatments through that

553
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: process as well. So we definitely want to see that

554
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: product line grow over time.

555
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

556
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: right back. I'm the president of Charles Tillman Incorporated, and

557
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to navigate that as being a CEO. How

558
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: are you navigating in a new CEO? Don't make that face.

559
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. The learning curve has been awesome because, you know,

560
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: the the job of a CEO is really too is

561
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: really to understand all aspects of of the business, you know,

562
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: to the to the degree that you can have an impact,

563
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: right and then to really like a head coach right

564
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: in a scouting department, you want to you want to

565
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: acquire talent that is going to be able to fill

566
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, the gaps and to be able to support

567
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: the vision that the CEO is is giving. And so

568
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: that's been you know, being more on the creative side.

569
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: Having to understand the importance of operations has been you know,

570
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: probably the greatest challenge for me is is I think

571
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 3: especially as an athlete, we come into teams and they

572
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: have everything perfectly struck. Yeah, exactly right. But now you

573
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: have as a CEO, you have to be the one

574
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 3: to develop the structure. And so that that was kind

575
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: of a wake up call. Wow, Okay, there's a lot

576
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: more that goes into building a successful business than just

577
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: showing up and playing every day.

578
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: So, you know you, and you've mentioned Coach Dungee previously,

579
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: what do you think that you've learned from maybe Coach

580
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Dungee or any of your other former players that will

581
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: help you in your leadership style as being the CEO.

582
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: I've heard you've already said it's about talent acquisition, yep,

583
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: all right, getting great players and people around you. But then,

584
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: what else do you think you've learned from.

585
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: The greatest thing that I learned from Tony Dungee was

586
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: that culture does not have to be subjective. It's the

587
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: most talked about theme in business, but most people don't

588
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: know what to do about it. But that culture can

589
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: be an objective tool that you can build by design,

590
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 3: because you're always going to have culture by designer default, right,

591
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: because culture comes out of foundational beliefs and the behaviors

592
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: that are representative of those beliefs. Right. So for Dungee,

593
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: it was about, like, when we build our culture in Indianapolis,

594
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: we're actually going to create systems around how to practice

595
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: our value principles so that we're actually developing ourselves as men,

596
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: because Roman, what he believed was that if you build

597
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: better men, you get better football players. And you know

598
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: this with your with your coach. Yeah, Ivey was the same.

599
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: Way, identical, And I mean those two thous were identical.

600
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: They just worked for two different teams. Never curse, never

601
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: really shouted, don't knew how to talk to you. You

602
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: could could motivate you just about looking at you, like, yeah,

603
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: and you always wanted us to go out there and

604
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: give a coach Smith, the coach Dungee. You're all great men.

605
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: But to that point, so like because Dungee was the

606
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: same way, right, no vulgarity, Okay, But then he turned

607
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that into an action, actual system and an expectation of

608
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: the team. And so he actually uh described exactly really

609
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: spend time talking about why why why do I want

610
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: you to not use vulgar language in these specific areas

611
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: and how does that how is that reflective of the team,

612
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 3: and how is that reflective of your character as a man. Now,

613
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: what you do outside of outside of the field, that's

614
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 3: on you. But when you're in my house, Okay, here's

615
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: the system for how we're going to best present ourselves

616
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: as men of integrity, and so that was kind of

617
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: the rule. And here's how we're going to practice it.

618
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: You know, when you're when you're in the locker room,

619
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: when you're out on the field and there are cameras

620
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: around it, and describing objectively, here are the situations. I

621
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: do not want you to use, you know, bad language, right,

622
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: making it really easy for the players to you know,

623
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: to be able to go and practice just a different

624
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: kind of practice.

625
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of time Rome plays golf, and I

626
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: know he does a lot of he does a lot

627
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: of ninja training. Oh right, Yeah, So my question is

628
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: do you still own the Concor Ninja JEMs.

629
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one of my that's one, that's one

630
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: my other Yeah, it's one of my other endeavors. Yeah,

631
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: I uh, I kind of act as a fractional chief

632
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: culture officer for Concor Ninja Gyms and I'm an owner

633
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: in that, in that franchise.

634
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: Say that one more time. Yeah, that was a great word,

635
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: sandwiche right there.

636
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: That's a word, sandwich. It's a tasty word, sandwich.

637
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

638
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: So you know, I got to know Concord Ninja Gyms,

639
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: which is the fastest growing ninja franchise in the country

640
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: right now and they're headquartered in in Minnesota and became

641
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: a part of that group as an owner, but then

642
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: also brought in all of my expertise on how to

643
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: build organizational culture, especially in franchising, because you you're scaling it, right,

644
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: so you want to replicate the success of somebody like

645
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 3: a Chi where you experienced the same culture of hospitality

646
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: in every single location. So how do we build that

647
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: out through the sport of ninja, which is just I

648
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: think just accepted into the twenty twenty eight Olympics as

649
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: one of their next sports. So it's going to be

650
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: huge for the business. Yeah, but it's it's a great

651
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: franchise and and I'm I'm really excited about that growth.

652
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: So have you ever done any Ninja Warriors? Yeah, because

653
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: you like big, you're a tall guy.

654
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: I know, but I got it, man, when I got

655
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: into it, I could I could do some stuff. Yeah,

656
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: like you'd be shocked some stuff. Yeah, like the salmon ladder.

657
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Forget about it. I own that's where you're taking the

658
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: bar and you're.

659
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Like way up one.

660
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yep, what about that. I would actually

661
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: go and do my I'd actually go.

662
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 2: And do work. I feel like the rams easy because

663
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: you're tall.

664
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: Do you think the ramp is easy? But once you

665
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: get into that fourteen sixteen eighteen feet yeah, and all

666
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: of a sudden, that ramp starts to come back out

667
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: at you. Yeah, and then you got to grab it,

668
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: and then you got to pull yourself up. And it's

669
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: a lot higher when you're up top when you're on

670
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: the bottom. Right.

671
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: But I went to the show one time, Akuar, he

672
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: basically was saying the majority of the people that do

673
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: American Ninja Warrior, like they get on the show. He's like,

674
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: it's not people like us. He's like, we're one, we're

675
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: too tall, we're heavy. He's like these guys that normally

676
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: do it, they're about He's like yeah, he's like peanut,

677
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: the someent little kids like they like five sem five six,

678
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: they fly No, they fly it. Hey, He's like, they

679
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty five pounds, the big grip stuff.

680
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: We can we can pull off. It's it's the it's

681
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: the wall. It's you know, when you're on an inch

682
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: board and you having to hang on that's where we

683
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: that's where we can't handle it. But but no, great

684
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: for kids. Man, what an awesome you know, it's called

685
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: the fitness entertainment industry enfranchising, right, and so it's awesome

686
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: for kids. So we've built out an entire culture platform

687
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: that revolves around seven core values. Each of those values

688
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: are placed as symbols that are on all of the

689
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: padding in every location. So training coaches to not just

690
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: train ninja, but to train about integrity, to train about

691
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: courage and respect and really, so as kids are going

692
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: through the coaching, not only are they getting you know,

693
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: athletic training, but they're getting life skill training. And that

694
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: was a big That was a big differentiator we wanted

695
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: to bring to the table.

696
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: So, Ben, something I clearly didn't know about you until

697
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: we did some research shout out to Thomas in the corner,

698
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: is that you were also a singer, I know, crazy

699
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: and songwriter.

700
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Singer songwriter.

701
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so how did you get into that? I

702
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: remember you said your father was a pastor, so I

703
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: assume you kind of grew.

704
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: Up grew around singing in the church for sure.

705
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: My dad was I sang the church. I just well,

706
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: really yeah, let's go.

707
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was what do it? Sometimes?

708
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Tom waited time out? When did you did you sing

709
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: happy Day, No, like I was in the choir. Bro

710
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: like I was in the group. I just couldn't get

711
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: to that because then I'm off key and I'm like.

712
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: He was like.

713
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: A choir exactly.

714
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: That's good. I didn't know that.

715
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, they don't turn anybody down to the church.

716
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: No, all are welcome, Come as you are, Come as

717
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: you everybody.

718
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: No. My dad was a vocal music major to be

720
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: a choir teacher before he became a pastor. So I

721
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: grew up, you know, around music and and got some

722
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: training at home.

723
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

724
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: And then that turned into professional singing in college. I

725
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: started doing all the national anthems at the University of Minnesota. Really,

726
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 3: I got to sing for to presidents. Then I signed

727
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: a record deal in Nashville when I was playing for

728
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: the Colts. Ended up ended up meeting.

729
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

730
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: It's kind of a funny story. I was speaking uh

731
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: in Anderson, Indiana, and afterwards a just a you know,

732
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: crazy excited blonde woman wearing a Peyton man in Jersey

733
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: rushes me, Oh, I can't. I just love the Colts,

734
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, would you sign this for me? I said, sure?

735
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: Who do I make it out to? And she said

736
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: Sandy Patty. And I went, Sandy Patty like the most

737
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: decorated female singer in history outside of CELINDI on Sandy Patty.

738
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: And she's an inspirational Christian singer. But has you know

739
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: I can't even remember six six, eight, six seven or

740
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: eight grammys. I mean, she's I grew up listening to

741
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: Sandy Patty, right if you grew up in the church,

742
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: you grew up listening to Sandy Patty. And I said,

743
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: you need to sign this for me. Well, she ended

744
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: up becoming my my singing mentor and introduced me to

745
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: all of our management in Nashville, and and so I

746
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: ended up signing. That's how I ended up signing a

747
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: record deal. Through that process. I think I'm actually the

748
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: only player in NFL history too, just to sing before

749
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: he ever played. So I got asked to sing the

750
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: national anthem at the Buffalo Bill's preseason game really in Indianapolis. No,

751
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: not in the uniform, No, because I just had that surgery,

752
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: so I was I wasn't playing yet at that point,

753
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: but the Indianapolis market first experienced me as a singer

754
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: and not as a football player. That was crazy, and

755
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: nobody knew like none of the coaching staff. Now, none

756
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: of the players knew, right, they were all out on

757
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: the sideline, and then all of a sudden it gets

758
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: announced and uh and so that was really that was

759
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't even know they dropped jod Ron.

760
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, it was I think it

761
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: was something that just completely blew them away. And then

762
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 3: the year after our Super Bowl year, I got asked

763
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: to sing with Sandy and the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra during

764
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: the month of December. Yeah, and I went to Tony

765
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: and Bill Poyne, and I was pretty nervous about asking

766
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: because I didn't want them to think that I wasn't

767
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: focused on football, but they were gracious enough to say, look,

768
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: as long as your play doesn't doesn't suffer, then by

769
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: all means, So I ended I ended up performing at

770
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: sixteen concerts with the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra during our season

771
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: in the month of December. I would literally go from

772
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: home games, run off through the Indianapolis Skyway to the

773
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: Orchestra Hall and then and then go on stage with

774
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: Sandy and sing. It's really crazy though.

775
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when you would sing in

776
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: college like the colts didn't know you had to like,

777
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: did they not scout good enough? They were not asking

778
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: to write place?

779
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: They don't care, you know what I mean. And it's

780
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, but like, how did this?

781
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: How did you start this in college though? Because most people,

782
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: you know, and we all got one or two guys

783
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: that can sing on the team, but.

784
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: Someone yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't you know, someone found

785
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: out about it, and I got a call from the

786
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: event organizer for the Minnesota Go for hockey team and

787
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: basically saying, look, we heard that that you're a singer.

788
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: Would you ever be interested in doing an anthem? And

789
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: so that's really how that's the first time I stepped

790
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: out in front of you know, ten thousand people in

791
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 3: an arena and actually sing. And then and then once

792
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: you do that, you know, you just start getting getting

793
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: the invitations, right, So that's really where that started to lead.

794
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 3: And then Sandy was the next step in actually giving

795
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: me an opportunity to pursue music as a as a career.

796
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: And I always thought that that was going to have

797
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: a lot of potential, but I just learned really quickly

798
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: that the only business harder than the NFL is is

799
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, music, and film entertainment. Yeah, because it doesn't

800
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't really have to do with talent. It has

801
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: to do with timing and money right and knowing the

802
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: right people at the right time right because they're so

803
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you just go to Nashville Broadway Gray Street

804
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: any night and and you're going to hear people that

805
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: are just unbelievable, but they'll never make it, you know

806
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's artists, that's what That's what it is. Yeah,

807
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: and so you know, I I its just I was

808
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: I was touring and and and some some good things

809
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: are happening, but just never that burst into into being

810
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: able to turn it into a career because you need

811
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: to have, you know, tens of thousands of loyal fans

812
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: to really provide you with the the revenue that you

813
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: need to to make it something that you can provide

814
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: for your family. And my speaking career was was really

815
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: taken off at that time. And and so we just

816
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: had twins. We have four daughters, So pray for me, please.

817
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: Fifteen identical twins are fourteen and nine, and so two

818
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: sets of twins, nope, just one. So fifteen identical twins

819
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: are fourteen and then and then nine years old.

820
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: Oh my math was wrong.

821
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: I was like wait wait yeah, yeah.

822
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I reacted that way anyways.

823
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: So how do you do you guys who has twins

824
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: in their family? None?

825
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: Identicals? Are the are the ones that are not? But

826
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: you know they're not. No, it's just it's just the Yeah,

827
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: it's the magical moment. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. No, thank you, No,

828
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: it was great, but you know, and we needed help

829
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. So that so we were

830
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: we we moved back home. We were living in Nashville

831
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: at the time, and so we moved back home just

832
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: to be around family. But I wouldn't trade it for

833
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: the world. Man. I love being a girl.

834
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Dad.

835
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're amazing, all volleyball players, very good, very good.

836
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: So our fifteen year old is she's highly recruited and

837
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: so it's going to be an interesting year.

838
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: That's going to be. That's gotta be awesome.

839
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: It's so cool.

840
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: How how intense are you? And like, how yeah are you?

841
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: Volleyball is a very interesting sport because it's very emotional

842
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: for sure, and like the spikes and it's not as

843
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: physical because they got the net exactly, but it's still

844
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: the emotions in the highs and the lows, like even

845
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: a basketball game, because the back and forth.

846
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: It made me respect guys like Tony Dongee and Lovey

847
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: Smith because of that quiet strength. How they could just

848
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: sit there on the sidelines when things didn't go well

849
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: and not just you know, lose their minds, you know,

850
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: and and realizing how much more chance lungeinge that actually

851
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: is right? And and how do you manage that because

852
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: you don't want your kids to you know, see you

853
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: reacting that way because you're reliving your own athletic experiences

854
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: at the same time. That's right, And then you know,

855
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 3: I think the hardest thing though, is you know, you

856
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: know they tell you don't coach your kids. Yeah, that's

857
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: so hard for me, it is. It's so hard because

858
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I know everything because I because I

859
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 3: played one sport at the level so well, wait a second,

860
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: does that give me a pass? Like can I should

861
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: be the one that can coach my daughter? Because I

862
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: have absolutely But that's yeah, so I I I actually

863
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: do stay pretty involved. I want to do whatever I

864
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: can to give them the best opportunity possible.

865
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: Man.

866
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

867
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

868
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You got four beautiful girls, seem like you're you're doing.

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Speaker 2: thank you guys. Appreciate it, sir. All right man, Hey,

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Speaker 2: all right, Peanut, get us out of here.

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