1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump has called on ABC 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: to fire its entire staff since nothing is ever his fault. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today the 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Leadership Conferences. Maya Wiley talks to us about her new book, 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Remember You Are Wiley. Then we'll talk to doctor Nicorlai 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: Corte about his book Kamala, The Motherland and Me. But 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: first we have NBC News is John Allen. John Allen 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: is a senior national political reporter at NBC and the 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: author of Lucky How Joe Biden Barely won the Presidency. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, my friend John Allen. 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Hey, Molly, I wanted to. 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: Talk to you because I felt like I wanted to 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: know what is going on after this debate, like what 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: your take was on the state of the race and 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: if it changed things. 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 3: So I think it did change things in some ways 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: that may not, you know, immediately show up and pulling. 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: I think, first and foremost, it appeared that Kamala Harris's 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: goal was to get under Trump's skin, and I think 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: she did that. Yeah, and he had been riding pretty high. 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: He just knocked out the previous Democratic nomedy. In the 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: most recent debate, he was feeling pretty good about himself, 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: and he looked very agitated in the debate at various times. 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: So I think, you know, she was able to knock 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: him off his game a little bit. What I'm not 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 3: as certain about is whether she has persuaded all those 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 3: folks or even a majority of them who still feel 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: like they don't know enough about her or enough about 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: her plans that you know, they're ready to cast ballots 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: for her. From a first debate perspective, I think she 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: hit the mark that she wanted to. You know, we'll 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: have to see if they're necessarily the ones she needed to. 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: I would suspect that there will be another debate, that 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: both sides will feel a desire to do that. 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: WHOA, you think there's going to be another debate. I mean, 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: this is like the hot topic. Now, why do you. 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: Think that give you our Harris? You still have to 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: feel that deal. He's still to finish making that case, 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: that positive case for yourself. It is an imaginary bar, 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: but there is some bar in every voter's mind for 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: when somebody has shown themselves to be presidential, and I 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: think obviously for most of the Democrats, Konwall Harris is 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: not Donald Up and therefore is more presidential than Donald Trump. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: I'm not sure she's cleared that bar yet for all 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: of the people that she needs to clear that bar. 48 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Trump has been president. It is not hard to imagine 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: him as president because we all watched it for four years. 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: You know, she's trying to effectively unpresident him right now, 51 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: and I think that's a tall order. I think that 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 3: she's still got some work to do to convince people 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: either that he has disqualified himself or that she has qualified. 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: And I think at the very least, you know, she'll 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: want another opportunity to hammer him from his perspective. I 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: think there's incentive to do another debate because it was 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: pretty clear that he lost it, and you don't have 58 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: to ask Democrats that or independent political analysts that. You 59 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: can just see what Trump dide. He showed up in 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: the spin room right after the debate. You don't have 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: to spin if you win. He blamed the moderators. You 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: have to call out the refs if you win. And 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: you know there was all this sort of conspiracy chatter 64 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: about Kamala Harris wearing an earpiece rather than in the 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: ear a sort of ridiculous conspiracy chatter that, you know, 66 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: is another sort of tell that Trump and the people 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: close to him felt like he lost because if you win, 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: you don't accuse the opponent of cheating. 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, those were just Tiffany earrings. 70 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: By the way, the whole idea that she's somehow needed 71 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: to have an ear piece to come up, It's like 72 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these conspiracy theories. I feel like we're 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: built around the idea that Joe Biden had dementia. So 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: the idea was Joe Biden might need an ear piece 75 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: because he has dementia. Okay, he doesn't have dementia and 76 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: he didn't have an earpiece. But the idea that then 77 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: fifty nine year old former prosecutor, sex crimes prosecutor, attorney's General, 78 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: senator who has done this kind of thing for the 79 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: last like thirty years and she's been in career government 80 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: work somehow need a magic earing your. 81 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: Piece just is pretty dumb, isn't it. 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes. Also, if you watch the debate, it's pretty clear 83 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: that she rehearsed a lot of what she was saying. Which, 84 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: by the way, all the candidates do. It did not 85 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: look like she needed somebody to tell her what to say. 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: You know, you could see her going through the progressions 87 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: of her answers to various questions in my debate time. 88 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: I would just say that, like over the course of 89 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: the last twenty years, there have been any number of 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: debates where candidates accused the other candidate of having some 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: sort of communication with their rank, and not once, is 92 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: that anyone ever shown that to me? True? 93 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good sign you want, isn't it. 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, on the other side saying that they think you 95 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: were so good you cheated, Yeah. 96 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good sense that you 97 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: might have won. Absolutely, let's talk about what she did 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: on the stage. Because I have this theory if I'm wrong, 99 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: you can tell me i'm wrong. 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: I want me to confirm your bias. 101 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: No, no, I want you to maybe tell me I'm wrong 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: and then have the people who listen to this podcast 103 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: and really like me get mad at you. 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: I mean just kidding. No, No, I'm just kidding. I 105 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: don't want that. 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Well, I sort of want that, but maybe I'm maybe 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm right, So talk to me about this idea. I 108 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: have this idea that she kind of flipped the script 109 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: a little bit during that debate, that she was able 110 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: to kind of bait him. I mean, obviously she was 111 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: able to bait him into going crazy, but one of 112 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: the things she did was because she has this rhetorical 113 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: style that's very call and response and that's very sort 114 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: of well thought out, she actually seemed very powerful, and 115 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: then he tried to do some of the things she did, 116 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: like I'm speaking, and he seemed really diminished. Does this 117 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: sound right to you? And if it's wrong, why, And 118 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: if it's right, expand on it. 119 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: I think you're right that she has a commanding presence 120 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: on stage. I mean, I think that's something that we 121 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: saw when she watched her first campaign. It's something we saw, 122 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: you know, on the debate stage in twenty nineteen when 123 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: she ran for president. You know, having that presence is 124 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: not a problem for her. She's got that presence, she's 125 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: got that thing. That doesn't mean that he doesn't. 126 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: No, he's very charismatic. 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: So the two of them, you know, present as people 128 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: on relatively equal footing on that, saye, and that's somewhat 129 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: different for him. You know, most of the times he's debated, 130 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: did all those primary debates in twenty twenty, and you know, 131 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: he was a more commanding presence than any of the 132 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: other people in the debate stage. And I think you know, 133 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: in the debates with Joe Biden, both in twenty twenty 134 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: and earlier this year, you were more transfixed by Trump 135 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: want stage than you are by Biden. It doesn't mean that, 136 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: you know, Trump necessarily won all those debates. It just 137 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: means he was sort of a dominant figure on stage. 138 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: And that's not the case with Harris. She has whatever 139 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: that is, that factor that you do as a viewer, 140 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: you gravitate toward her too, So there's a much more 141 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: equal footing. 142 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I thought one of the things that sometimes was Hillary Clinton, 143 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: she would struggle to be heard or she would struggle 144 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: to project in a certain way. It seems to me 145 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: that Harris doesn't have that problem at all. 146 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Harris says just such a different style, right, and 147 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: her style is one you know, she does project well, 148 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: she does deliver. Part of that, I think is probably 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: the courtroom prosecutor's experience of you know, selling a case 150 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: to the jury and being believable and being you know, 151 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: having convictions not convictions like thirty four felony convictions in 152 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: New York, but having the convictions of her principles. And 153 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, look, you could see during the debate there 154 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: were times where she felt like she was on more 155 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: comfortable ground, particularly around you know, when she was talking 156 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: about abortion, where you see, you know, kind of that 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: full energy and that full authority from her in times 158 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: where you know, she felt less comfortable. The first question 159 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: to her was whether people are better off now than 160 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: they were four years ago? And she walked right around it, right, So, 161 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, she's still finding her way a 162 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: little bit, and maybe that's what she would want to 163 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: do if given another opportunity, walk right around that very 164 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: difficult question to answer at a time when a lot 165 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: of Americans don't feel like they're better off today than 166 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: they were four years ago. But I think if she 167 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: can get a little more consistency, if she can, you know, 168 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: rise up on those things that she made feel like 169 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: a little less comfortable on and have more evenness, that's 170 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: a benefit. Tournament. 171 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: You saw that there were a number of focus groups 172 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: we saw so along well right about this in the Atlantic. Obviously, 173 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: all these focus groups are anecdotal at best, right, because 174 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: they're small groups, but. 175 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: Like three people in our rooms right in town. 176 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: They are anecdotal. But like you know, so are polls. 177 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Right now, let's look at the state of the race, right, 178 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: how are we going to look at it? 179 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: Polling? 180 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: Voter registration, which again is not a straight line and 181 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't mean anything. Though I think this huge surge 182 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: from the tailor swift voter registration might mean more, but 183 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: it might mean less. 184 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: We don't know. 185 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: Well, you'd rather have people who agree with you registering 186 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: to vote than. 187 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Not, right, So registration, focus groups, polls, donations, and I 188 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: mean that's it, right, is there? 189 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: And lawn signs? I mean, is there. 190 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: Anything else that we should be looking at as an 191 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: indicator of this election? 192 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the big question in my mind is, 193 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, typically the end of an election, and our 194 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: elections are drawn out more now because there's more early voting, 195 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: but you know, typically toward the end of an election, 196 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: the undecided will break in one direction or the other. 197 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, not one hundred percent in 198 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: one direction, but say say it's ten percent of the electorate, 199 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 3: you know it'll break seventy thirty in one direction or 200 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: the other, and that will help determine who the president is. 201 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: You know, I think trying to watch if there are 202 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: any indications among that set about where they're weaning. And 203 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: some of that's deeper polling questions, not just cruity you 204 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: want to win or who are you going to vote for, 205 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: but some of the deeper questions that get to people's 206 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: values and their fears and you know what they're going 207 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: to vote on. Those may provide some indications. But if 208 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: you look at polling, we're basically in the place with 209 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: that we were, you know, prior to the June debate, 210 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: where you've got two candidates that are locked in a 211 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: very close election and the handful of swing states that 212 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: will determine the outcome. I would say the only difference 213 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: is that there's probably greater variance with Harris than there 214 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: was with Biden, meaning her ceiling is probably higher. Right, 215 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: she has the ability to break out past where Biden 216 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: would have been able to, and her floor is probably 217 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: a little lower then pre debate Biden, Post debate Biden, 218 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: the floor you know, there wasn't a floor, The floor 219 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: was lava. 220 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: And then versus Trump, whose ceiling is lower and whose 221 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: floor is about forty two. 222 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: Right, there's been nobody in American politics who has a 223 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: more consistent base than Donald Trump. Right, his force seems 224 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: to be pretty immovable. But I guess what I would 225 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: say is that there's some ability to, you know, on 226 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: the Democratic side, to move it a little bit right, 227 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: to take people who are thinking beforehand, like I don't 228 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: really like Biden, I don't really like Trump. I'm going 229 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: to hold my nose and vote for Trump. There's some 230 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: ability to take that layer, that very sort of thin 231 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: and loose layer of his support and move it. 232 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: Part of the secret sauce of Trump was that he 233 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: got these low frequency voters, these ones, right, So low 234 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: frequency voters one in a two or people who never vote. 235 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: A four and a five are people who vote in 236 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, the five is someone who votes in every 237 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: primary everything. Right, So one of his secrets was that 238 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: he got these ones and twos to vote. I mean, 239 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: to have that happen again. I mean, do you think 240 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: that is that it's for sure that he will get 241 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: those people out again, or do you think there's some 242 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: waning enthusiasm. Remember, like I'm just thinking about twenty sixteen, 243 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: and you had he lost by five million obviously won 244 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the electoral college. Twenty twenty, he lost by seven million, 245 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: but it was still more voters than had ever voted before. 246 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, the conclusion that I think you should 247 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: draw from that is that he brings out low propensity 248 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: voters on both sides. So he brings out the local 249 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 3: pensity Republicans, but he's also bringing out low propensity Democrats. 250 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: The increase in the raw total of Democratic votes between 251 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen and twenty twenty was more than twenty percent. 252 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: Never seen anything like I saw in twenty twenty in 253 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: terms of voter turned out, and a lot of those 254 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: people were turning out to stop him from getting a 255 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: second term. And that's a challenge for Harris. She's got 256 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: to try to keep that, you know, maintain that energy 257 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: on the Democratic side. And I think that's one of 258 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: the reasons you you know, you saw her spend time 259 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: attacking and trying to get under his skin and trying 260 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: to remind Democratic voters of what they don't like about 261 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: She's still knew for a lot of these voters. I 262 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: know that sounds weird. She's been vice president for four years, 263 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: but you know, as the presidential candidate, she still knew 264 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: if there are voters that she's got to get out 265 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: to the that are not already super attached to her. Yes, 266 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: by the way, So I think the conclusion from you know, 267 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: from what we're seeing from the Hairs campaign so far 268 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: is that in order to attach them to her, it's 269 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: really more about attaching them to the idea of stopping Trump. 270 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: Right. 271 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: Whether or not that's the right strategy, I can't say, 272 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: but it does appear to be the strategy that they 273 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: are pursuing. 274 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Right. For example, his strategy is to tarnish her without 275 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: tarnishing himself more than he already has, right, Yeah. 276 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 3: But he benefits from me from the inability to make 277 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: people dislike him more. 278 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: Why is that. 279 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: I think it's because if you are inclined to dislike him, 280 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: you really dislike him. It's not like people are like, 281 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: oh my god, that that's a new gutter for Trump. 282 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: Right, Right, that's that's. 283 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: Than he was before. 284 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: Right. 285 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: They haven't watched him over the last ten years, and 286 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: they're suddenly discovering that they find him to be, you know, 287 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: objectionable on a personal level, or you know, find that 288 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: his policies that don't match up with their views. 289 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the eating dogs. 290 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: By the way, I am certain that you eat peace 291 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: and ducks. I am sure that you have had floggra. 292 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that I had a Actually 293 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to finish the sentence because it sounds 294 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: so bad, But just assume that something fancy happened with 295 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the geese. 296 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: There's a whole term that someone's goose is cooked right, 297 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: right right, and you would only cook a goose if 298 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: you're planning to eat it. 299 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here is the lie that 300 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Trump said that people were eating dogs that Haitian immigrants 301 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: in Ohio. 302 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: It's a very specific lie, we're eating dogs and cats. 303 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: There is no evidence of this that it has been 304 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: just routinely debunked as debunked as a lie could possibly be. 305 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: But Jadie Vance is not convinced. 306 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, there were there have been complaints registered, 307 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: but no evidence of that happening. I think there was 308 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: a video of really showing up in a nearby town 309 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: where where like that. Someone who was on drags was like, 310 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: mostly it's not that it comes from nowhere, I guess, 311 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: but like I'm not sure how like this before we 312 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: overblown and relatively unfounded allegation how that has anything to 313 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: do with immigration policy for an entire country. 314 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Right, Like right, But it's more like this is the thing, right, 315 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: this is the Trump thing. But more importantly than this 316 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: being Trump's thing, it is also pretty clear indication of 317 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: where Trump is that he's not gotten any less racist. 318 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: The whole concept, right, is fraught with that. The guy's 319 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: seventy eight years old. They're like, do you expect him 320 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: to suddenly become somebody who wasn't. 321 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: You'd think that saying that kind of smear would make 322 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: him unelectable. I was surprised by that there were still 323 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: undecided voters who were like, yeah, he talked about people 324 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: eating dogs. 325 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't care. People who will look at Donald 326 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: Trump and say he's racist and that they think that 327 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: racism is bad and still vote for him because it's 328 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: not the thing they care the much about. 329 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: Insane. 330 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: There will be young black men who think that Donald 331 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: Trump is racist to will vote for him. Will be 332 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: young Hispanic men who think that Donald Trump is racist 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: or anti Hispanic and still vote for him. I don't 334 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: think it will be the majority in either case. I 335 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: don't think it'll be close to the majority in terms 336 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: of young African American men. Democrats will still window by 337 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: a large margin, but there will be some who say, like, 338 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: this isn't my biggest issue, and I like the cut 339 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: of his jib or whatever. Probably won't actually use that term. 340 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Thank you John Allen for. 341 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: Using the most anniquated possible term. 342 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: We have even more tour d eights for you. Did 343 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: you know the Lincoln Projects. 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Buy your tickets now 364 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: by heading to Politics as Unusual dot bio. That's Politics 365 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: as Unusual dot bio. 366 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Maya Wiley is the CEO of the Leadership Conference. Doctor 367 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Nikorlai Corte is the author of Kamala, The Motherland and 368 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Me Welcome Back Too Fast Politics, My friend. 369 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: It's so great to be with you, Amali always. 370 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: I really love you and respect you and am in 371 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: awe of you. And by the way, I often want 372 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: to know what you think of things, so it's pretty 373 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: fun to get to have you on the podcast for 374 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: that reason. 375 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 5: Well, thank you, and you know I love you right 376 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 5: on back, Molly, you know that. 377 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really mutual. 378 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: So before we talk about your book, remember you are 379 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: a Wiley, which is a memoir. I want to also 380 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: point out that you and I are doing a book 381 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: event together. 382 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: Yay. 383 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: It's Monday, September twenty third at seven pm at the 384 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: Strand Bookstore in New York City, which is very cool 385 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: because the woman who owns the Strand is just a 386 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: very wonderful person whose family has owned the Strand since 387 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: it was the Strand. So it's a very cool New 388 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: York story. Maya tell me about the book. 389 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 5: Well, the book is a memoir, and in a way 390 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 5: it's as much a family memoir as a personal memoir, 391 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 5: although obviously it's very personal because as I was reflecting on, 392 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 5: you know, this era we are in as a country 393 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 5: and era where frankly, racism and sexism are set out 394 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: loud as if they're legitimate and longer shun at a 395 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: time when we're also seeing protests and protest movements increasing 396 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 5: everything from Black Lives Matter we had Times up five 397 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: for fifteen, all of the things we you know, and 398 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 5: also even on the international front in terms of thinking 399 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 5: about justice issues and all the complexity it creates, and 400 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: all the things we need to do in the society 401 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 5: to make this country wonderful place for all of us. 402 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 5: You know, it was very hard for me not to 403 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 5: be really thinking about what shaped me and what the 404 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 5: struggles are to be an advocate, an activist, a mom, 405 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 5: a black woman in a context where we're constantly trying 406 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 5: to make this a better place and how much it's 407 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 5: shifted and what hasn't shifted, and you know what I 408 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 5: feel like, you know are sometimes we have to share 409 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 5: our personal struggles to empower the next generation to keep 410 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 5: on plowing right on through. 411 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: You and I both come from politically minded families. Just 412 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: tell us a. 413 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Little bit about how your parents shaped what you do 414 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: now and how you see the world. 415 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean know, first of all, you know, 416 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 5: my parents were an interracial couple. A father black man 417 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 5: and then trained as an organic chemist, which was its 418 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 5: own major milestone back in the fifties. And my mother 419 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: is a white woman from West Texas from you know, 420 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 5: the Southern Baptist tradition, the Southern Baptist tradition that is 421 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 5: also a racist tradition, that is a tradition that only 422 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 5: in the late twentieth century apologized for segregationist views. And 423 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 5: that's how she was raised, but it is also what 424 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 5: she transcended. So the very fact of their marriage and 425 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: relationship and how they both navigated in a hostile society, 426 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 5: and the lessons they taught about that, and even the 427 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 5: personal decisions and their personal bravery in refusing to accept 428 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: the boundaries of a race and sexist society was its 429 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 5: own modeling. But they part of that modeling was that 430 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 5: they left it. My father left organic chemistry and a 431 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: promising career as a professor to be one hundred percent 432 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: full time in the civil rights movement and at the 433 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 5: forefront of the economic justice movement, and my mother as 434 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: very much a partner, very much the one who was 435 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 5: more radical when they first met in terms of her activism, 436 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 5: but also the one who became the wage earner so 437 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 5: that he could be an activist. All of those things 438 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 5: were personal decisions that modeled that you do what your 439 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 5: passion and your heart tells you to do, and you 440 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 5: find a way, but that you also always leave with 441 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 5: love and with a strong sense of living your principles. 442 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 5: And they did it with joy. You know. I think 443 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 5: about that a lot as we're in this moment and 444 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 5: watching Kamala Harris be joyful, a joyful warrior. But that 445 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 5: was my parents. They were joyful they were silly, they 446 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 5: were funny, and you know from your own family history 447 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: how dangerous the work can be, and how this society 448 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: has always skirted on the edges of authoritarianism because that's 449 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 5: what racism and sexism produces. And so the fact that 450 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 5: we have family members who have lived that dangerous experience 451 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 5: and yet, you know, learning just compassion and joy and 452 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 5: hope in that fight, in that struggle in difficult times 453 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 5: was a big, big, big part of what I learned 454 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: from my parents. 455 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about the sort of connection between the 456 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: Jim Crow South and the way in which democracy was 457 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: really taken away from a group of people and what 458 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: Trump and Trumpet are trying to do more generally. 459 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: Right, there's a connection there. 460 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I really 461 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 5: look at this time we're in right now with the 462 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 5: outright now, it's no longer dog whistle racism, you know, 463 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 5: the racism that Southern strategy where it's like coming out 464 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 5: of the Jim Crow South and the success of the 465 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 5: civil rights movement of the nineteen fifties and sixties, which 466 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 5: came with blood, sweat, tears, life loss and danger, beatings 467 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: all the things, and my father and mother working very 468 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 5: hard to show that the North was not better. Black 469 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 5: folks got beat downs by the police. Is Syracuse, New York, 470 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 5: black housing was being torn down. There was no replacement 471 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 5: for that housing. They were fighting school segregation, they were 472 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 5: fighting for a housing opportunity, they were fighting police brutality 473 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 5: in the North in Syracuse, New York, in a college town. 474 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 5: They even had to fight to buy their house because 475 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 5: my father was black. Of course, yeah, and there's a 476 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 5: great story there about how my father did that joyfully 477 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: and did get his house. But I think the point 478 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 5: is the connection to showing that racism in this country 479 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: is throughout this country and intentional, but having won that 480 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: getting to a point in this country where it wasn't okay, 481 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 5: racism was still there. Sexism is still there, but it 482 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 5: wasn't okay to be out front and out loud and 483 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: explicit about it. And you know, the era we've returned 484 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 5: to and what Trump is them because it's not only 485 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: Donald Trump, right, it's the wave he rode, but those 486 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: roiling waters were there and as far too many Americans 487 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 5: will want to jump into that water and create those waves. 488 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 5: Are hate groups, our extremism are telling people that their 489 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 5: problems are people of color of this what we just 490 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 5: saw in this last debate round, which was not only 491 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: the most crazy and offensive lies about Haitian people eating 492 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 5: dogs for God's sake, but the fact that those sane 493 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 5: people who had been in these community for a long 494 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 5: period of time are now getting death threats, are getting 495 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 5: rape threats because of this disinformation. What this has unleashed 496 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 5: is the permission to suggest that there is nothing wrong 497 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 5: with hate, and that there is nothing wrong with the 498 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 5: violent expression and threatening nature of hate, and that there's 499 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 5: nothing wrong and that you can claim the mantle of 500 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 5: somehow defending this country by tearing it apart and using 501 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: race and using gender and tapping all the hate and 502 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 5: misogyny of that. To do it is very much a 503 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 5: demonstration that this is a marathon and a relay race. 504 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 5: You know, that democracy is no promise. And my parents 505 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: used to debate this, like, what's the endgame is it? 506 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: Can we ever hope to get to the endgame? You know? 507 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, my mother's lesson 508 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 5: was a powerful one that has really kept me motivated 509 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: in this really dark time we're in, and it's a 510 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 5: time that will only get darker. Unless we get more activists, 511 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: and that's also what I learned from them, and not 512 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 5: shirk away from the dangers of this time and recognize 513 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 5: that the dangers are real, but that the reality is 514 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 5: we've always been facing this down as a country, and 515 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 5: the way we have made progress is that we have 516 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 5: faced it down and that people did do it with compassion. 517 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 5: They did it with love, they did it with principle, 518 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 5: they did it with joy, and they did it by 519 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 5: creating coalition. And my mother used to say, you know, 520 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 5: she she would say she was not optimistic that this 521 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: would we would ever be done with this, but she 522 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 5: was absolutely committed to the fight and that the fight 523 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 5: was the point. And I just think we have to 524 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 5: hold on to that rather than saying, well, we won't 525 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 5: fight unless we know we're not that everyone says this, 526 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 5: but we won't fight unless we know we're gonna win. No, 527 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 5: we all fight because that's how we win. And we 528 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 5: don't know how long it's Goi'll take, but guess what, 529 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 5: every generation's got to pay a forward. And that's really 530 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: what my parents taught me, and that's what their experiences 531 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 5: taught me, and I draw strengths from that in these times. 532 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that lie and then the fact that 533 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: they won't admit that it's a lie. 534 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 2: Ye together, I don't know. 535 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about my grandfather and the 536 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Peak skill riot. Yeah, and when we were talking about 537 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: the racism that absolutely occupied the North. And obviously from 538 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: watching that insane debate, we know that racism is really everywhere. 539 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: And I think what you said is really important. That 540 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: it's maybe not the same way that it was in 541 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: certain ways, but the blatantness of it is obviously. You know, 542 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: we will never stop fighting this kind of thing. But 543 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: I wonder how much of the last gasps of a 544 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: smaller and smaller group of people who are just trying 545 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: desperately to hold on to their privilege. 546 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 5: I think of this in a couple of different ways. 547 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 5: I mean one and to your point, Mollie, the majority 548 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: of this country thinks this is offensive and appalling. Right, 549 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 5: there's no question about that. I actually have a pillow 550 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 5: behind me. I'm sitting in my office at the Leadership 551 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 5: Conference on Civil and Human Rights. You know, the nation's 552 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 5: oldest and largest civil rights coalition. I mean, we got 553 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 5: over to one hundred national organizations. They look like America, 554 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 5: that's you know, almost every racial group, gender, that's LGBTQ, 555 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: that's religious, faith based, many different faiths, geographically diverse. We've 556 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 5: got unions, we've got service providers, we own everybody. But 557 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 5: it really is and all of the polling, we know 558 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 5: this from all the research. A majority of this country 559 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 5: wants well, not just a stronger democracy, you know, believes 560 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 5: that everyone should have opportunity, believes that everyone deserves a 561 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 5: fair chance, believes that hat should not divide us, believes 562 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 5: diversity is important, believes we should have voting rights, all 563 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 5: the things. But you know we are the majority. Is 564 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 5: the pillow I had in my office and it's our 565 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 5: mantra here. But I think the issue is, and this 566 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: is how countries fall into authoritarianism, is that if the 567 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 5: minority can take over the leavers of democratic institutions, which 568 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 5: is exactly what we're seeing. That's what Project twenty twenty 569 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 5: five out of the Heritage Foundation is all about continuing. 570 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 5: But it's what Donald Trump did as a president and 571 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 5: trying to control the Department of Justice, for example. But 572 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 5: it's also what we're seeing in states in the twenty 573 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 5: six states that have put bans on our bodies or 574 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 5: are fighting about whether we can learn history, actual factual 575 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 5: history in our schools about racism, or about immigration or 576 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 5: about you know, gender, that we're seeing books being banned 577 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 5: by a minority of people. It's always a minority. But 578 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 5: if you read the rules, if you and if we 579 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: allow the rules to be rigged, whether it's voting, whether 580 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 5: it's fear mongering, and sometimes this happens in blue places too. 581 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: It's not just a partisan issue. I mean, New York 582 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 5: City is putting police officers in civilian departments right now. 583 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 5: I mean, all of these things are the kinds of 584 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: things we have to say. We have to recognize that 585 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: we got to fight to protect all our democratic institutions, 586 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 5: and that includes our government and our ability to have 587 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 5: a say and who leads us. That means that we 588 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 5: have to be involved locally, It means we have to 589 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 5: be involved at state level. It means we have to 590 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: be involved at federal level. And we have to understand 591 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 5: that that is a long term fight because they've done 592 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 5: a lot of work right now, that minority of extremist people, 593 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 5: and to your point about the history, they haven't stopped 594 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: since the Civil War. This is an ongoing ideological front 595 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 5: of extremism. Of white ethno nationalism at its core, that 596 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 5: it has been and has had a long term project 597 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 5: of doing things like ensuring its ideology is represented on 598 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court, ensuring that it has control of state 599 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 5: houses because it makes it harder for people to vote 600 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 5: because it's not the majority. So I agree with you 601 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 5: about the majority, but it's only a last gasp if 602 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: we are able to focus our strategic attention as a 603 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 5: coalition of the willing, which is the majority, to say 604 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 5: we're going to take back our institutions. We aren't going 605 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 5: to allow where we don't have perfect agreement, because we don't, 606 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: but but where we can say we agree that everybody 607 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 5: should have a right to vote. We agree that it's 608 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 5: a big lie that our elections are not free and fair. 609 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 5: We agree that there has to be some protections against racism. 610 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 5: There has to be robust civil rights laws. We have 611 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 5: to have a free press. We have to have journalism 612 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 5: do better. We have to have more mechanisms for fact sharing, 613 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 5: and social media companies got to get in line. We 614 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 5: got to regulate artificial intelligence because it's spreading disinformation. You know, 615 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 5: all of these things are about democracy and democratic institutions 616 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 5: that don't serve in ideology, but that do serve the 617 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 5: democratic promise of the people deciding and figuring out how 618 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 5: to make this a more perfect union. And that's something 619 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 5: that we have to fight for even though we're the majority, 620 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 5: because they have been so effected at stealing power from us. 621 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So let me ask you, as you look 622 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: back on the sort of legacy of the civil rights 623 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: movement and the fight that your parents did, what do 624 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: you think that our place in this is? 625 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 5: You know, one of the things, and one of the 626 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 5: things that motivated me to write the book was the 627 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 5: incredible importance of compassion coupled with our fierceness. 628 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 6: Right. 629 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 5: My parents had and the civil rights movement had a 630 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: very big vision about what the country should look like. 631 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 5: So I mean that big vision was citizenship, not in 632 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 5: the sense of a passport, in a sense of being 633 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 5: treated fairly and equally, but that meant things like we 634 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 5: should have housing, we shouldn't have housing torn down and 635 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: people not getting housing they can afford. In other words, 636 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: the schools and school integration was not just bodies sitting 637 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 5: next to each other. 638 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 7: It was the. 639 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 5: Quality of learning and the quality of relationship and citizenship 640 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 5: that gets the developed out of that and that nobody 641 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 5: should be hungry in this country. And this was part 642 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 5: of why my father started organizing on welfare rights, the 643 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: National Welfare Rights Organization. Like the promise of the Civil 644 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 5: rights movement was that we were going to end poverty. 645 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 5: I mean, that's a big vision. 646 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: You know. 647 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 5: The vision of the civil rights movement was that we 648 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 5: would have peace, you know, I mean that was a 649 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 5: big vision, that we would be a country that lived 650 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 5: our principles and that mint all our people had everything 651 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 5: they needed. It was a big vision, and it was 652 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 5: a racial justice vision, but it was a big vision 653 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 5: for everyone. But there was a compassion in that that 654 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 5: was constantly expressed in how the protest, how the activism happened. 655 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 5: That's why nonviolence was such a critical part. That's why, 656 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 5: I mean much of the civil rights movement came out 657 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 5: of the faith community. 658 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 7: It's not about. 659 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 5: Being religious per se, but it was the principle of 660 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 5: that beloved community. But it was also very strategic, meaning 661 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 5: it understood that it had to help build the tent 662 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 5: and the will of the American public that didn't understand 663 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: that wasn't experiencing racism. You know, my father, you know, 664 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 5: very famously got a Goldwater Republican, a guy named Jaqui 665 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 5: who actually thought that, you know, the Rockefellers were not 666 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 5: conservative enough for New York State. Wow, and was a 667 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 5: very Goldwater Republican. I mean, you can't think of farther 668 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 5: to the right in those times, right in those politics 669 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: of that era. And my father convinced him, figured out 670 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 5: how to convince him by helping him feel the experience 671 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 5: of black people to support school integration. So there's a 672 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 5: story in the book about that. But if you think 673 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 5: about and then all the strategies both of protests but 674 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 5: also persuasion and connection, that was part of the strategy. 675 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 5: I think it is critically important that we understand how 676 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 5: that contributed to the success of the civil rights movement. 677 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 5: It was radical, It was a big, radical vision for 678 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 5: the country. It had the militancy of protests, it didn't 679 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 5: shy away from it, but it expressed itself in a 680 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 5: compassionate and human and connecting way. And I just think 681 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 5: that that lesson, those lessons learned is something that we 682 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 5: have to make sure we are continuing to utilize because 683 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 5: when we do, we are the majority and we win, 684 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 5: and because we. 685 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: Can so true. 686 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Maya, Thank you so much, Molly. 687 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 5: I am so looking forward to speaking with you at 688 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 5: our event at the Strand on September twenty third at 689 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 5: seven pm. 690 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 691 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be? Well, so are we, 692 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 693 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 694 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 695 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five 696 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly Jong 697 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 698 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 699 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: you can hit play and put your phone in the 700 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like the podcast. 701 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. 702 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: We need to educate. 703 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 704 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: to this country, so please watch it and spread the word. 705 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: Maya Wiley is the CEO of the Leadership Conference. Doctor 706 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: Nikorlai Corte is the author of Kamala, The Motherland and Me. 707 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Doctor Corte. 708 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 7: Well, thank you for having me. 709 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: You're an academic really. 710 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: But you went on this trip that was not your beat, 711 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: and tell us about this trip, and then you wrote 712 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: a book about it. 713 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 6: Stuart stortaet wiving of myself as a scholar practitioner, and 714 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 6: I spent a number of years doing advocacy on public 715 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 6: affairs work before I returned to my first love of journalism. 716 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 6: And so I cover national affairs. I cover campaigns and elections, 717 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 6: and so that is my typical beat. But you're right, 718 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 6: this was a very unusual assignment. I'd never taken on 719 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 6: an international assignment, but I couldn't resist this dream assignment 720 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 6: to cover Vice President Harris's voyage to Africa. It was 721 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 6: a trip written in the stars. You might know that 722 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 6: my father was born and raised in Ghana. My mother 723 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 6: is Black American. They met at an HBCU in Texas 724 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 6: and had me many years later in California, And so 725 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 6: you can already see the parallels between my story and 726 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 6: Vice President Harrison's story. Being the daughter of immigrants, this 727 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 6: was such an incredible opportunity at a time where there's 728 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 6: so many divisive efforts to erase black history and to 729 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 6: ban books. And so although I didn't think I was 730 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 6: going to write a book about this. I knew that 731 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 6: I needed to capture this story on the page. 732 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so important, and also there were so many similarities here. 733 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: But this Africa trip was a big trip. It was 734 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: a long number of days, You went to a bunch 735 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: of different countries. Can you explain to us a little 736 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: bit about why the Vice president decided to do this 737 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: trip and sort of what was the larger diplomatic effort. 738 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 6: This trip was over a year in the making. The 739 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 6: Vice President Haser team with planning a trip to Africa 740 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 6: that wouldn't be your typical public health trip or your 741 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 6: typical humanitarian aid trip, but a trip that allowed her 742 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 6: to turn the page on how we view Africa, opportunities 743 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 6: for investment, opportunities to support entrepreneurship. Every stop on the trip, 744 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 6: Vice President here has reminded us, but by twenty fifty 745 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 6: one and four people on the planet will live in Africa, 746 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 6: and right now the average age on the constant is 747 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 6: nineteen years old, and so the continent really is oh 748 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 6: a potential full of possibilities when we think about the 749 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 6: global economy and supercharging the future of this economy. But 750 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 6: while on the trip, the Vice President took on issues 751 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 6: related to national security issues related to reorganizing the debt 752 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 6: of our allies on the continent. At one leg of 753 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 6: the trip, she was joined by Emmy Award winning actress 754 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 6: Shiry Lee Ralf and actor Didris Elba to shine a 755 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 6: light on some of the opportunities there with the creative economy, 756 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 6: you know, and to invest in some of the infrastructure 757 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 6: that would allow people to you know, create movies and 758 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 6: TV shows and other content on the continent. And she 759 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 6: didn't back away from the opportunity to shine a light 760 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 6: on some of the climate resilience work that's happening right 761 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 6: there on the continent. We visited a farm, Panuka Farm 762 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 6: in Zambia, where they're using a high power technology to 763 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 6: better manage their crops and their harvest and to maximize 764 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 6: the yield there. And so I had even some of 765 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 6: my assumptions about Africa, you know, as a Ghanaian American, 766 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 6: some of my assumptions about Africa were disrupted on this trip. 767 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 6: And I thought, what a shame if more of our 768 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 6: fellow Americans didn't know the real story here, didn't know 769 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 6: how competent, capable and cutting edge our Vice president is 770 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 6: on the world stage. And now well received. 771 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, we're going to go back and talk 772 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: about this fucking election that will be the end of 773 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: all of us a lot of times, a lot of 774 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: the or at least I've read these focus groups with 775 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: undecided voters and they will say even women voters, which 776 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: to me, as the daughter of of a second wave feminist, 777 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: it just I kind of begin to comprehend how stupid 778 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: it is. But it is something that people do say, 779 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about it, even though it's stupid. 780 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: Is that they're worried about her on the world stage 781 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: because she's a woman. It's sexist, it's bullshit. But talk 782 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 1: to us about what you saw because you observed her 783 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: on the world stage. 784 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I saw her being very well received 785 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 6: by men and women on the world stage. I saw 786 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 6: her use her bully pulpit to shine a light on 787 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 6: the fact that two thirds of folks who have access 788 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 6: to the internet on the continent of Africa are men, 789 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 6: not women, so much that she has championed an initiative 790 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 6: around digital inclusion. You know, this is a vice president 791 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 6: that isn't shy about working the phone and reaching out 792 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 6: to corporate partners to figure out what it is that 793 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 6: they can do to do more to provide infrastructure and 794 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 6: to address a critical need that's leaving out a lot 795 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 6: of women from participating in the economy across the continent. 796 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 6: That's no different from how Vice President Harris has governed 797 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 6: here in the United States, calling attention to the issues 798 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 6: that impact the women that make up more than half 799 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 6: of the electorate here. Right. I mean, she's not just 800 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 6: out there talking of women's reproductive rights and unapologetically, but 801 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 6: she's out there talking about economic issues that impact women, 802 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 6: that impact families. 803 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: Right. 804 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 6: That twenty five thousand dollars first time home buyer credit, 805 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 6: that six thousand dollars tax credit for new families, that 806 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 6: thirty five or thirty nine hundred dollars child tax credit. 807 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 6: You know, that makes a difference in the lives of 808 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 6: families across this country. But it makes a big difference 809 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 6: in the lives of women who are oftentimes I'M not 810 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 6: able to fully participate in this economy because they don't 811 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 6: have the capital to do so. And so you're seeing 812 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 6: Vice President Harris on the world stage use her political 813 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 6: capital to reinvest in women, to reinvest in people across Africa. 814 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 6: It was very, very well received, and I might add, Molly, 815 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 6: you know, I remember, on a lighter note, when we 816 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 6: were in Tanzania, and it's important that your audience knows 817 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 6: that Tanzania had their first black woman vice president that 818 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 6: became the first black woman president of the. 819 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 7: Country, and President Hassan. 820 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 6: During a joint press conference, at one point, she turns 821 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 6: to Vice President Harris and she addresses her as my 822 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 6: dear sister. 823 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 7: Right, And something as small but meaningful as that is 824 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 7: a sign that the world is open. 825 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 6: The world is open to embracing a woman like Vice 826 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 6: President Harris to become the next leader of the free world. 827 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, really good point. 828 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: I've interviewed her, but obviously I've never taken a trip 829 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: with her. 830 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 2: What did you feel that she was like? I mean, 831 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 2: just tell. 832 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: Us what your sort of impressions of traveling with her 833 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: work life. 834 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 6: I found her to be very focused, very disciplined, joyful, warrior. 835 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 6: I think those are two words to describe Vice President Harris. 836 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 6: She is very well aware of where she stands in history, 837 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 6: and she is doing her very best to meet the moment, 838 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 6: and to do so in a way that is me eatingful, 839 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 6: to do so in a way that's consequential. This is 840 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 6: someone who grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area 841 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 6: like me, a part of the country, a part of 842 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 6: the world steeped in the history of the women's liberation 843 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 6: movement and the anti war movement, and the Black panther 844 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 6: movement and the gay rights movement, and so it's no 845 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 6: surprise how she shows up on the world stage. She 846 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 6: shows up with an appreciation, with a respect, with a 847 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 6: reverence for that kind of movement building. 848 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 7: And I think, you know. 849 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 6: She sees herself as an extension of all of those things, right, 850 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 6: and I think people feel that when they are engaged 851 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 6: with her more directly. It's very interesting when you see 852 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 6: people engage with her in person versus how that gets 853 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 6: reported on or you know, how that gets packaged for 854 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 6: mass media consumption. I found that there's a bit of 855 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 6: a gap in the in person experience versus you know, 856 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 6: the second or third person experience and Molly, That's a 857 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 6: part of the why I thought it was so important 858 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 6: to write the book Kamal of the Motherland and Me, 859 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 6: so that folks could re examine some of their assumptions 860 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 6: about mad and Vice President, about the continent of Africa 861 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 6: and ourselves. 862 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. So there 863 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: has been really horrible, stupid, fucked up lie and it's 864 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: also racist lie about Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating dogs. 865 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: There is nothing to this. It is disgusting. We have 866 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: seen a lot of really good reporting about the incredible 867 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: way that Haitian immigrants are serving the population, that are 868 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: working hard in factories and have been brought to Ohio 869 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: and are actually doing incredible stuff. Talk to me about 870 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: what this lie is about. 871 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 6: Really, I think this lie is a continuation of the 872 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 6: grievance politics that the former president and the Republican Party 873 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 6: are so invested in. You know, I was in the 874 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 6: spin room following the presidential debate in Philadelphia, and you know, 875 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 6: I was personally taken aback at how many Republicans we're 876 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 6: willing to turn a blind eye to that. I didn't 877 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 6: see that as weird or cringey or hingey right or 878 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 6: beneath the office of the president of the presidency, and 879 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 6: you know, you meet. Al Sindoor recently filed a report 880 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 6: for NBC Nightly News that focused on the very human 881 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 6: impact that this conspiracy theory is having on Haitians in Springfield, Ohio. 882 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 6: And we forget these are real people, these are real families. 883 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 6: We remember what happened when the former president was out 884 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 6: there making our fellow Asian Americans the target of his 885 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 6: conspiracy theories in the early days of the COVID pandemic, 886 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,479 Speaker 6: calling it kung flu and creating a rise and hate 887 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 6: crimes impacting Asian Americans. And so you know, as Vice 888 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 6: President Harris has said, it's the same tired playbook. The 889 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 6: only difference is now the target of this aren't Haitian immigrants. 890 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 6: It is wrong, Republicans should condemn it, and ultimately, our 891 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 6: fellow Americans have an opportunity to weigh in at the 892 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,240 Speaker 6: ballot box. 893 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 894 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: If you are a Haitian immigrant in Ohio, or if 895 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: you love Haitian immigrants or in Ohio, or if you 896 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: know a Haitian immigrant in Ohio, you should fucking register 897 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: to vote. I'm obviously a Jewish immigrant, several generations removed 898 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: from my immigrant experience. But again it's the same idea 899 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: that they are just trying to other right, I mean, 900 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: it's racism, but it's also othering. Do you think that 901 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: the electorate is hearing this racism for what it is 902 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: and getting galvanized by it. 903 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 6: There's a critical mass of people that hear it. They 904 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 6: hear the dog whistle, they see the racism, they see 905 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 6: the sexism, they see the massage noir right, and I 906 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 6: think they have decided that this race shouldn't need to 907 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 6: be close, right, and they have made their decisions. But 908 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 6: there are somehow, these undecided voters out there there, you know, 909 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 6: that are somehow waiting for the former president to suddenly 910 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 6: lose the spots, right. 911 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it was. 912 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 6: Maya Angel who said, when people show you who they 913 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 6: really are, believe them the first time. And you know, 914 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 6: it's hard to believe that there are still enough of 915 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 6: our fellow Americans that are unwilling to believe what they 916 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 6: have seen on repeat again and again and again and again. Meanwhile, 917 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 6: every hurdle that's been put in front of Vice President Harris, 918 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 6: she seemed to clear that hurdle. You know, there were 919 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 6: people that weren't so sure if she could raise the money. Well, 920 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 6: she's raised more money than any candidate running for president 921 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 6: in the history of this country. You know, there are 922 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 6: people that weren't so sure. You know, is she going 923 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 6: to be able to assemble a unity coalition, right, Uh, 924 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 6: the Obama coalition. 925 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 7: Well, she's done even more than that. We're seeing you know, Democrats, Independents, Republicans. 926 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 7: I mean, who would have. 927 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 6: Ever thought Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, you know, John McCain's kid, 928 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 6: to over two hundred Republicans that work for Bush and 929 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 6: for Rama and more lining up behind Vice President Harris. Right, 930 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 6: and oh, well, what about policy? She needs to make 931 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 6: her policy clear. If you are not more clear after 932 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 6: this week's presidential debate, you know about what it is 933 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 6: that Vice President Harris is intending to do for our 934 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 6: fellow Americans as a matter of economic policy, right, you 935 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 6: know what her foreign policy priorities would be, and why 936 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 6: you know? Then I would say, replay the tape. Right, 937 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 6: So every hurdle being put in front of her, she's 938 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 6: clearing that hurdle, you know. Yet and still there's still 939 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 6: some people that are wringing their hands in I don't know, right, 940 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,760 Speaker 6: And so our job is to turn up the volume 941 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 6: and shine a light on the truth. Right. And that's 942 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 6: the part of why I wrote this book, and so 943 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 6: people could get a third party view, you know, of 944 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 6: who she is when she's not in country. Who she 945 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 6: is when she's on the world stage. You know who 946 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 6: she is when she is representing the values of this country. 947 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and really important. 948 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: What do you think the best way to push back 949 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,839 Speaker 1: against this racism is? 950 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 6: I think the best way to push back against the 951 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 6: racism and the sexism is to register to vote. Is 952 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 6: to text ten friends and make sure that they're registered. 953 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 6: You can go to I will vote dot com get 954 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 6: all the information that you need, no matter where you live. 955 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 6: But my grandmother, my maternal grandmother, Eddie May Thomas, Missi, 956 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 6: rests in peace. One of the things she taught me 957 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 6: that I hold on to and I will offer to 958 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 6: you and your listeners is that we got to pray 959 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 6: with our hands and pray with our feet. Pray with 960 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 6: our hands and pray with our feet. And praying with 961 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 6: our hands also means using our voice and not taking 962 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,959 Speaker 6: our vote for granted. Praying with our feet means doing 963 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,720 Speaker 6: everything we can to spread the truth while others decide 964 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 6: to spread lives. We've got to spread the truth. We've 965 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 6: got to correct misinformation. We know that some of us, 966 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 6: not all of us, are the target, you know, of 967 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 6: misinformation campaigns. That is what we can do do what 968 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 6: you can and where you are with what you have, 969 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 6: and I think we will feel a lot better about 970 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 6: the future of this country after election day. 971 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope. Thank you so much for joining us. 972 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 1: Tell us what the book's called again. 973 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 6: Thank you, Molly, and thanks to all of your listeners 974 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 6: and followers. Please pick up Kamala the Motherland and me 975 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 6: an opportunity and invitation really to re examine your assumptions 976 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 6: about mad and Vice President, the continent of Africa and ourselves. 977 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. No moment, Jesse Cannon. 978 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,240 Speaker 4: Molly jog Fast, you know what you want. A debate 979 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 4: with the dog warden of a small town in Ohio 980 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 4: has to get involved. 981 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: You'll remember that during the debate Donald Trump he said 982 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: a racist smear where he said that Haitian immigrants were 983 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: eating dogs. 984 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 2: There is absolutely no truth to this. Smear is a lie. 985 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 2: It is a big, big lie. 986 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: But because it's happening in Ohio and because j Devance 987 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: as an enabler, Jademan said, well, maybe it's happening, maybe 988 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: it's not happening, because we've heard from constituents. 989 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 2: There is no truth to this. 990 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: The Clark County dog Warden, by the way, when you 991 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: get the dog Warden involved. Things have really gone wrong. 992 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,720 Speaker 1: Refutes the viral pet eating allegations in Springfield, Ohio, after 993 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump regurgitated those unfounded claims. So this is what 994 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: she said, Sandy Klick. She's going to end up getting 995 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: death threats because this is how this works in this 996 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: new country, this new America we live in. 997 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 2: But she says, nobody has proof of anything. It's all 998 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 2: just a bunch of hearst and that is our moment 999 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 2: of fuckery. 1000 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 1001 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds 1002 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 1003 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 1004 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.