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Speaker 2: This is I want your Flex with Dan Byer and

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Speaker 2: Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set

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Speaker 1: get your flex ond. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 3: Week one of the NFL season is fast approaching, but

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Speaker 3: we know that there are a lot of drafts still

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Speaker 3: to take place. We've covered the quarterbacks and running backs.

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to do the wide receivers. He is

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Speaker 3: Mike Harmon, I'm Dan Byer. Our executive producer is Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 3: But before we talk about the pass catchers in the

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Speaker 3: top ten ends, we have to talk about the biggest

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Speaker 3: news in the NFL. It's been a story all off season,

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Speaker 3: Mike and finally has reached the pinnacle of the New

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Speaker 3: cycle where Micah Parsons is dealt by the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: to the Green Bay Packers for two first round picks,

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Speaker 3: a defensive tackle Kenny Clark. The Stalemate, the Showdown, the duel,

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Speaker 3: however you wanted to say it is finally over. Micah

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Speaker 3: Parsons dealt by the Cowboys to the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely stunned on several levels. One that the Packers are

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Speaker 4: going to pay out that kind of money. Two, there's

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Speaker 4: no trade happening, there's nothing happening. And then oh, here's

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Speaker 4: the deal consummated, here's the money, just like that. So

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Speaker 4: never believe any of what you hear in this process.

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Speaker 4: But the curiosity of timing Jerry, going back on what

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Speaker 4: has been a long run business in terms of getting

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Speaker 4: bit of a distressed property kind of situation there. You

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Speaker 4: do get a three time pro bowler and Kenny Clark,

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Speaker 4: which is great anchor up that defensive line. And as

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Speaker 4: I've argued all along, Dan, the Cowboys are gonna lose

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Speaker 4: games with or without Micah Parsons. So if nothing else,

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Speaker 4: you got a couple of draft picks that, if you

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Speaker 4: spin it right, then you're you're rebuilding a team and

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Speaker 4: you're not paying a guy what is it, one hundred

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Speaker 3: It's the four year deal that he wanted. I think

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Speaker 3: that you're the perfect guy to also look at this

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Speaker 3: deal from this perspective. The deal that we compare this

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Speaker 3: to is the Khalil Mack trade from the Raiders to

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Speaker 3: the Bears. For those that don't remember the deal, it

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Speaker 3: was on September one to twenty eighteen that the Bears

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Speaker 3: the Raiders received two first in twenty twenty, a third

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Speaker 3: So you got the picks in twenty nineteen and in

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Speaker 3: a lot more than what Green Bay had to give up.

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Speaker 3: Mac then signed a six year deal where the one hundred

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Speaker 3: I think it I lent to lean more on your

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Speaker 3: get all draft picks. Don't try to sell it, Jerry

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Speaker 3: that you're trying to get Kenny Clark and trying to

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Speaker 3: good piece when you have Micah Parsons. There's very similar

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Speaker 3: dealings with the Mavericks, Lakers Luca trade as well with

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Speaker 3: make those picks worth it. I don't for as good

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Speaker 3: just I didn't understand the deal for Dallas on that aspect.

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Speaker 4: Mike did the I'm done scorched earth everything social media,

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Speaker 4: We'll figure this out and in the end, if you're

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Speaker 4: to believe where the numbers were, And again Jerry didn't

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Speaker 3: And he's I want to say this, I actually agree

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Speaker 3: and I think that we just don't think that Dallas

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Speaker 4: Wag the tail, spin the tail. You're absolutely right, it

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Speaker 4: all goes to it. And again from a football perspective,

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Speaker 4: it's all going to be on Dak's arm how far

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Speaker 4: to you know, guys from Vegas. Whatever's what's he worth?

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Speaker 4: So to not pay the one eighty eight one twenty

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Speaker 4: owning up, It's like we finally made the business decision.

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Speaker 2: We were done with this.

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Speaker 3: Packer purposes. Mike, there is zero chatter on x outside

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Speaker 3: we feel is going to be very strong. Now they've

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Speaker 3: no one's talking about it. That's another crazy part of

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Speaker 4: because under Mark Murphy, would this deal have gotten done.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that it would have, right, And I

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Speaker 4: of the current week that we're in, and it started

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Speaker 4: to build momentum. But it's just like, this doesn't seem

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Speaker 4: for this to suddenly pop up on the radar and

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Speaker 4: we all know how much the Packers got from the

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Speaker 4: national deal four hundred and thirty two million dollars. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for that information based on the wave constructed. But

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Speaker 4: it's just a little different way of doing business and

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Speaker 4: pushing in on what your current roster has and giving

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Speaker 4: that vote of confidence. You know, I think it's absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 3: When Reggie White was agreeing to a deal as a

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Speaker 4: You don't have it. You don't have a big running

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Speaker 3: But hey, they could stop the run. They could stop

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think they could have been trailing a lot.

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Speaker 5: I actually like that, Mike, because they've got a you know,

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Speaker 4: Really bad defense, right, I mean, we love Chase Brown

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they're going to get Let's see,

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Speaker 3: Dan Byer. This is I want your flex. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: and the Jaguars. So I'm looking at Neighbors and Thomas

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Speaker 4: Junior as two elite guys that go up into that

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Speaker 4: next space. With the amount of production we got in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four with subpar quarterbacking, now you have in

436
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Speaker 4: theory and he whispered it when he said, Duval Cohen

437
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Speaker 4: there to go and fix Trevor Lawrence. Whatever you think

438
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Speaker 4: of Travis Hunter as a number two and the rest

439
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Speaker 4: of the depth chart there. I mean, Brian Thomas delivered

440
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Speaker 4: a year ago. There's no reason to believe suddenly he

441
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Speaker 4: takes a step back. Malik Neighbors as well. One of

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Speaker 4: those guys is going to be better than what they

443
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Speaker 4: were thrown out there last year at quarterback, right, even

444
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Speaker 4: if it ends up being Jamis trying to eat W's,

445
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Speaker 4: He'll wing the ball around and guys make plays. Jackson

446
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Speaker 4: Dart eventually gets his run in the interim, we get

447
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Speaker 4: the moon ball with Russ Wilson a bit so, Malik

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Speaker 4: Dabors and Brian Thomas would be those guys, and then

449
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Speaker 4: the third would be Nico Collins. In Houston, that offensive

450
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Speaker 4: line isn't much better. They've got a good defense, maybe

451
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Speaker 4: a great defense, but I think he had a bounce

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Speaker 4: back for CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud, And again, who else are they throwing the ball to?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yes, I feel that That's why I'd like Thomas

455
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Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. I know there's so much hype about Travis

456
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Speaker 3: Hunter and does seem like he's going to maybe have

457
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Speaker 3: more of a role on offense than he does on

458
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Speaker 3: defense to start out his career. But I was shocked

459
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Speaker 3: on this podcast to see the numbers last year that

460
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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas was putting up for Jacksonville. And I would

461
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Speaker 3: think in year two, I don't think there's going to

462
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Speaker 3: be a sophomore slump. And as crazy as it sounds,

463
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Speaker 3: I like Jacksonville's quarterback room better than say the Giants

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Speaker 3: quarterback room with neighbors. So neighbors may be more the

465
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Speaker 3: big name talent that we have. But if I'm taking

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Speaker 3: a receiver, if I'm taking an LSU receiver, yeah, as

467
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Speaker 3: crazy as it is, it's Brian Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets into that curiosity.

469
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Speaker 4: And certainly, you know we've got the body of work

470
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Speaker 4: going back to Jefferson to the starting point of it all.

471
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Speaker 4: Like it it's awful hard to walk off there because

472
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Speaker 4: you're also not going to be razzed by your league.

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Speaker 2: Mites, because that's the other part.

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Speaker 4: You got to consider the psychological damage that your league

475
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Speaker 4: mates can do, particularly if there's an active message board

476
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Speaker 4: or texting service going on there. Dan, because if it

477
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Speaker 4: goes south for him, hey, the quarterback stunt the other

478
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Speaker 4: guys like he plays in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Yes, on, I know it's a great place to hide

480
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Speaker 3: until they become the world's team. There you go, that's

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Speaker 3: what I think that Travis Hunter is going to to

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Speaker 3: help bring the Jacksonville Jaguars. All right, let's move outside

483
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Speaker 3: of the top five, if you will. Let's get into

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Speaker 3: these next group of guys. I'm talking about the Drake London's,

485
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Speaker 3: the Lad mcconkey's, as crazy as it sounds, the Tyreek

486
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Speaker 3: Kills of the world. We did a top sixty draft

487
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Speaker 3: at the end of last season and I took one

488
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Speaker 3: for the team. I said, guys, I'm just gonna take

489
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Speaker 3: Tyree Kill because he continues to fall. We can't have

490
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Speaker 3: him fall out of the top sixty of our draft.

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Speaker 3: So I took him. But when we start to look

492
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Speaker 3: at this next level, like who are the guys that

493
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Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, I'm taking it better or I'm taking

494
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Speaker 3: him over Tyreek Kill. Who is in this next group

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Speaker 3: that you think could really stand out this season?

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Speaker 2: Well, you imagined Drake London.

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Speaker 4: He's a guy that we're anticipating, and we push all

498
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Speaker 4: in on Atlanta because even if Pennix fails at this point,

499
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Speaker 4: there's the break glass in case of emergency or he

500
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Speaker 4: gets hurt that Kirk Cousins at least as we sit

501
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Speaker 4: down to record, this is still there, whereas we don't

502
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Speaker 4: have that kind of level of confidence in virtually any

503
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Speaker 4: other room in terms of the backup. Right, the precipitous

504
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: drop off for most is there and a very real thing. McConkie,

505
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Speaker 4: like the others we mentioned when we talk about Thomas

506
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Speaker 4: and uh and going back to elite neighbors, they performed

507
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Speaker 4: without a lot of support in the receiving course, so

508
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Speaker 4: it's hard to believe that they don't shift.

509
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Speaker 2: Now.

510
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Speaker 4: It's curious, you know, I look at maconkie and I

511
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Speaker 4: think I'm on Ross Saint Brown a little bit the

512
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: same way is that their teams, you know in Detroit,

513
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Speaker 4: the team I alluded to at the beginning of things

514
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Speaker 4: with all right, you got a new OC, what's it

515
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Speaker 4: going to look like? He's still gonna catch a lot

516
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Speaker 4: of balls to move first move the chains? Now is

517
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Speaker 4: he gonna pop for big plays? Sure, there's gonna be

518
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: some broken tackles and scheme it up to where to

519
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: where he finds some daylight. But he's still going to

520
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: pile up receptions. So the half PPR PPR leagues. I

521
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Speaker 4: think Almon Ross Saint Brown still gets it done. But

522
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Speaker 4: in terms of pushing all in, I think you play

523
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Speaker 4: defense and run the football a bit more right. You

524
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Speaker 4: lose some of the gadgetary that Ben Johnson took with

525
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Speaker 4: him in Chicago, So I think the ceiling's lowered. Not

526
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Speaker 4: to mention Jamison Williams, who's you know in that mid

527
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Speaker 4: to late you know WR two, perhaps higher if you

528
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Speaker 4: want to push in on him that if you're going

529
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Speaker 4: to take the shots, he's going to be the beneficiary,

530
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Speaker 4: whereas a'man Ross, Saint Brown and Sam Laporta do a

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Speaker 4: lot of the dirty work over the middle, but don't

532
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Speaker 4: necessarily put up the huge fantasy stats this time around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was not that this was a

534
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Speaker 3: blockbuster trade mic, But when the Lions dealt Tim Patrick

535
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: to the Jaguars last week, the only reason why it

536
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: just kind of popped up on my radar was not

537
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: because Islac Tesla or however we want to pronounce.

538
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Speaker 2: We're gonna call him Tesla.

539
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: He's electric.

540
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Speaker 2: Once played by David Bowie in a movie, by the way.

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Speaker 3: But I felt it was more of what you're saying

542
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Speaker 3: like we do have one of, if not the best

543
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Speaker 3: offensive lines in the NFL, even with losing our all

544
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Speaker 3: world center and right Greg Now it's a retirement in

545
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Speaker 3: the off season, I feel like he can be replaced,

546
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Speaker 3: and I feel that you're spot on with that running

547
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: game in terms of what the Detroit is doing there.

548
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Speaker 3: I find it interesting when you know with that Sam

549
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: Laporter discussion that we'll get to later of where the

550
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: tight ends get. But I agree with you, I don't

551
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Speaker 3: think it's going to be as much wheeling and free

552
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: wheelings as they were previously in Detroit with Ben Johnson

553
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: calling those shots.

554
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Speaker 4: Well in the defense, if they're healthy, you don't have

555
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: to play the pinball game as they did at times. Right,

556
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: you can go more conservatively. Let's just run some clock,

557
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: grind it out, and go that way. So I think

558
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Speaker 4: that plays in.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the toughest, the toughest player

560
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Speaker 3: to draft as a wide receiver, Okay, I think it's

561
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Speaker 3: T Higgins, And the reason being is I feel that

562
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Speaker 3: you feel that there's this pot of gold at the

563
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Speaker 3: end of the rainbow because of what you get from

564
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati and there's as someone who has been a T

565
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Speaker 3: Higgins owner for the past couple of years, and Mike,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's been on your teams or

567
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: Ian I'm not sure if he's been on your teams.

568
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: It is so frustrating.

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Speaker 5: It really is exactly where you're going, Yes.

570
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Speaker 3: It is. It is so frustrating because the numbers are

571
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: there and the points are there, and you think, gosh,

572
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: why couldn't this just be more even, and so you

573
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: have such a tough time in judging because he is,

574
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: you know, legit a starting wide receiver in fantasy football.

575
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: There is no doubt about that. You think that there's

576
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Speaker 3: everything with it. But when you think of what could be,

577
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Speaker 3: I mean, this could be a top five, top ten guy.

578
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Speaker 3: T Higgins is my most frustrating guy to deal with

579
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Speaker 3: when we're talking about drafting and fantasy football.

580
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Speaker 4: And I think it goes to, you know, one of

581
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Speaker 4: the background parts of it, like we put up rankings

582
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Speaker 4: and there's always just that giant astros that hangs out there.

583
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Speaker 2: It's like, this is not a best ball competition.

584
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: Sure, so while a guy may rank twelfth because like, alrighty,

585
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: we projects this many points week to week, you're gonna

586
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Speaker 4: live and die a little bit with that, because he's

587
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Speaker 4: not going to have the you know, the three touchdown

588
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Speaker 4: like you might have one of those, might might find

589
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Speaker 4: a second And if Jamar Chase goes down, then then

590
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: then maybe you get a little more love and the targets.

591
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'd be more likely just you know, there's

592
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Speaker 4: enough wide receiver depth there that I'll let him go

593
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Speaker 4: and then I'll eventually take yoshavsh and put him on

594
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: my bench. Sure, right, WR five, and if it breaks right,

595
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: he's still getting a decent target share per week.

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Speaker 2: And now he's my WR three with a bullet.

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Speaker 3: It's it's such a it's you feel like, oh, he's

598
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Speaker 3: gonna maybe he'll dig into Jamar Chase's numbers. No, it's

599
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Speaker 3: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Help him a player though, Yeah, right, I mean you

601
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Speaker 2: look at it.

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Speaker 4: Last year, right, seventy three targets, which is just one

603
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Speaker 4: off a career high both twenty one and twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Seventy four catches target.

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Speaker 4: Count outside of twenty twenty three, or he played twelve games,

606
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: which he did again in twenty twenty four, but target

607
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: count has been the same four of his five NFL seasons,

608
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: which is just insane. Yeah, and then nine hundred and

609
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: eleven yards. He did have a career at best ten touchdowns.

610
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: But again, you know, if you're going to have to

611
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: be touchdown dependent, it's a very dangerous way to live.

612
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: To look at our wide receivers. We're going to touch

613
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: out a few more guys coming up after the break,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll get into the tight end conversation as well.

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Speaker 3: He's Ian Roddy, our executive producer. The voice he hears

616
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Speaker 3: Mike Harmon hit him up on ext swollen dome. I'm

617
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Speaker 3: Dan Byer. This is I Want Your Flex more receiver

618
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Speaker 3: and tight end talk next, wrapping up this episode of

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Speaker 3: I Want Your Flex. Talking about some wide receivers. There's

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Speaker 3: one name that I've stayed away from in my drafts.

621
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Speaker 3: And remember a couple of years ago, Mike I was

622
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: high on Brandon Cooks and and it just did not

623
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Speaker 3: work out for me. This is when Cooks was with

624
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: the Texans. I was doubling up on him. In leagues.

625
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Speaker 3: I've played a couple of different leagues, one standard once

626
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: half point PPR. We talk a lot about in our rankings.

627
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: We're looking at this from a half point PPR situation.

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Speaker 3: There's one player I've completely stayed away from that. I've

629
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Speaker 3: had multiple times to draft and he's not Tyreek Hill

630
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Speaker 3: at someone else. And then there's another player that I've taken,

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Speaker 3: just one player I've taken in both drafts. The player

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Speaker 3: I've stayed away from Puka and Nakula. I've stayed away

633
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Speaker 3: from Pooka and Akua. Our executive producer, Ian Roddy wants

634
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Speaker 3: to know more about why we're staying away from poqua Akua.

635
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Speaker 3: The guy doubled up Jerry Judy Cleveland Browns now value wise,

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't reaching on Judy, but the value I felt

637
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: with Judy was great. I was not comfortable taking Puoka

638
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: as high as he was in the rankings in my

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Speaker 3: two drafts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Judy being drafted as a mid to low end

641
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 4: three or later, depending on how much you really want

642
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: to delve into the Cleveland Browns situation. Certainly, we've had

643
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: a lot of fun with the quarterback spot. But a

644
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: guy who had one hundred and forty five targets twelve

645
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: hundred yards a year ago. You know the old rule

646
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 4: of thumb that someone's gonna catch the ball, all right,

647
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: there's a lot of targets, so there's a lot of

648
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: carries that are out there, no question about it. So

649
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: for talking value AD and perception versus reality, Yeah, I

650
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: mean that's great value where he is down there, because

651
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: even if Dylan Gabriel and eventually shod Or Sanders, Uh,

652
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson maybe uh, and Bailey Zappi and whoever else

653
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: may come creeping out of the stands.

654
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Uh, they're gonna throw the ball up for grabs.

655
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: And so long as he's healthy, which was one of

656
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: the things that affected his run in Denver, as long

657
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 4: as he's healthy, he'll be out there to go and

658
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 4: run and run under it.

659
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: But pukin Dakua.

660
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: Guy, it's just so difficult based on this style I

661
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: think they want to play. But also is Matthew Stafford

662
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: going to be upright? Like what's is over under on games?

663
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: I have no idea. You know, I'm a Jimmy Garoppolo

664
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: truther to a point, but you're not gonna be winging

665
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: it around now. Nakula may in a half point or

666
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: full PPR mode, you'll pick up those eight catch games

667
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: for forty yards. Like, there's gonna be a couple of those,

668
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: I guarantee. But in terms of a week to week

669
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: pop as the sixth or seventh wide receiver off the board.

670
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: That is just too difficult, And especially if I got

671
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: to worry every time Matthew Stafford is getting scraped up

672
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: off of the ground that that may be the last

673
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: one for the year. Now, we could say that about

674
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: a lot of quarterbacks, but for a guy who basically

675
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: didn't practice the whole off season and now we're gonna

676
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: roll him out there, I have full respect for the

677
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: guy because he'll stand in and take the hit and

678
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: make the throw, get the timing right, whatever. But eventually,

679
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: you know, father time comes from us. It adds up it.

680
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: Because of how we feel about Puka, I think everything.

681
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: The same thing could be said for DeVante Adams as well,

682
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: just on a lesser point because it's so dependent of Stafford.

683
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: And now does Stafford have any chemistry with Devanta Adams.

684
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Stafford hadn't been there for a decent amount

685
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 3: of training camp, like I DeVante Adams. I fell into

686
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: drafting DeVonta Adams because there was just no one left

687
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: that I felt that couldn't match what he could possibly do.

688
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 3: But yet I don't even necessarily know what to expect

689
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: from DeVonta Adams. So I have the same questions just

690
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: on a different level about DeVonta Adams that I do

691
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: with Pukah.

692
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but where you're drafted Adams, right, you get into

693
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: the mix the aforementioned you know Baltimore. Here is Tyreek

694
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: Hill that you brought up, right, because he's kind of

695
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 4: that line of demarcation of those next guys. You know,

696
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: do you trust what's going on with the Jets? I mean,

697
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: Ian Garrett Wilson's an all world talent? How often is

698
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: he seeing the ball on a week to week basis?

699
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 5: He's their wide receiver one, two, and three right now,

700
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 5: There's there's no one else.

701
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: Right, So like, but do I trust that that that's

702
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: gonna yield a weekly benefit to me?

703
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: No?

704
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: I'd rather go and invest in brayln Allen later and

705
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: stay in the run game there for the Jets. The

706
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: other wide receivers, Mike Evans, he adopted some of that

707
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: TB twelve training this offseason, so he's gonna live and

708
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: play forever. Terry McLaurin deal, okay, And then this is

709
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 4: where we start getting into that weird space. Marvin Harrison Junior,

710
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: DJ Moore, Ted McMillan in Carolina, how much do you

711
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: believe in Canalis and Bryce Young this next year? And

712
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 4: then go back to Denver where they got a lot

713
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: of miles to feed between the running backs and the

714
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: wide receivers. Courtland Sutton, what's the ceiling on him on

715
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 4: a week to week basis or does he know play

716
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: decoy at times? So trying to create some separation there

717
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: in your fantasy rankings with these guys and DeVante Adams

718
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: is a very difficult proposition.

719
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it absolutely is. As we go further down the

720
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: list of just guys that stand out, I mentioned a

721
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: guy like Jerry Judy, There's other names that are in

722
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 3: that group. Romadonza in Chicago, second guy to DJ Moore,

723
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: a lot of w R two's on their own teams

724
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: in that same area. Who's the name that stands out

725
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: to you, Mike?

726
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 4: We talked about it a little bit Abuca in Tampa.

727
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: I'm a Baker believer that they're going to put up

728
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: numbers and that's just going to keep going, and he's

729
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 4: going to have a huge role. He's one of those

730
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: guys that if you really wanted to get cheeky with

731
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: your offensive Rookie of the Year kind of projections. He

732
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: may be able to put up numbers enough in that

733
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 4: offense to make a run for it. So he was

734
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: he would be a guy I'd be looking at another

735
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: because look now it's going to sound like I'm trying

736
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: to be a Buckeye fan.

737
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: But Chris a Lave there in New Orleans.

738
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: That's okay, right, because that's all they got, Yes.

739
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: All right.

740
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: I mean, whether it's Chuck and or Rattler keeps the

741
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: job for an extended period, what else do they have.

742
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: It's Alvin Kamara and it's Chris a Lave. Between them,

743
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 4: they should be touching the ball forty times a game.

744
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, I agree, there's i they're gonna be

745
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: down twenty eight to three, so let's just it's going

746
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: to be fourth quarter Saints fun with christ a Lave.

747
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: I've always loved Rashid Shahid.

748
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun.

749
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: So you may you may have to wait until you

750
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: know later on in the in the day to enjoy

751
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: your your guys, meaning that if it's a let's say

752
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: one o'clock Eastern time kick when the Saints are down

753
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: by twenty points in the fourth quarter, but I think

754
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: that there could be legitimate points in those in those spots.

755
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for my you know, shameless homerism, h picking

756
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: a guy if look Cal Williams getting his four thousand

757
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: and thirty touchdowns or whatever nonsense seventy percent completion that

758
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 4: that they're trying to throw out there. Luther Burden's a

759
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 4: guy that has won a lot of people over with

760
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: the way he's gone about his work ethic. Because one

761
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 4: thing we know with Ben Johnson and with Antoine Randall

762
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: l is if you're a physical wide receiver, you're getting

763
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: on the field. And this is a guy that runs

764
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: through people on blocks and will get you know, be

765
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: part of plays where it's not designed for his number

766
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: that's going to get win him over. And from all

767
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: reports in camp and even Greg Olsen to throw it

768
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: up into the telecast when they did that Sunday night,

769
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: did the Fox game, right, was you know talking about

770
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: it is like, well, we were told he's he's the

771
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: guy that they've got their eye on. So he got

772
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 4: to let the cat out of the back. I don't

773
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: know if he was supposed to say, but he did.

774
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: H So that's something to watch as we go forward.

775
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, those second and third receivers in a lot

776
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: of rooms. Man, the variability in drafts that I've seen

777
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: is absolutely staggering.

778
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: Mike, of those of those three Chicago receivers, Dj Moore,

779
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: Luther burd and Roman Duonsay, and you know throwing Colston

780
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 5: Lovelin too, how do you stack those guys up?

781
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Are you avoiding any I don't think there's one to avoid.

782
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: I think Dj Moore I might have to draft a

783
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: little earlier than I want to. Like I think with

784
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: Roman Duneesay, there was enough, There was enough noise around

785
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: his rookie season that people are going to be scared

786
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: away that you might get a potential value. He had

787
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: some good weeks right that, Like there were there were

788
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: moments and Dj Moore stepping out of bounds and walking

789
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: off the field. That is is never gonna to be

790
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: forgotten in Chicago. But like I think, from the pecking order,

791
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: as you lay it out, it sits there. And then

792
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: you got Cole Comet, who's still enough of a factor.

793
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: I mean, we think Loveland takes the lion's share of

794
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: those kinds of situational targets. But it is curious do

795
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: I avoid them?

796
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: No? But I think more at that ADP.

797
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: He's in that range with McLaurin and all those guys,

798
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: I'd rather have them.

799
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: That's a look at the wide receivers, because we have

800
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: to get to the tight ends. It feels like it's

801
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: Brock Bauers, Trey McBride, and I hate to say everybody else,

802
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: but that's kind of where we're at. Do you see

803
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: Bauers on his own tier and then and then McBride next,

804
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: and everybody else? How do you break down this tight

805
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: end position?

806
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's some curiosity. You know, McBride last year,

807
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: fantastic week to week, but absolutely invisible in the painted grass,

808
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: right and that, And that's the question. Some theories about, hey,

809
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray can't make that throw because he can't see it,

810
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: which maybe, I mean, go to the old Doug Flutie

811
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: jump ass if you need to down low. But all

812
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: of that to say, yeah, I mean I think there's

813
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: that separation. I mean, Bowers and you get a guy

814
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 4: like Geno Smith, you know, a you know, we we

815
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: joke about the Geno ratio. So Gino Smith had to

816
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: leave so Suarez could live on the baseball side in Seattle.

817
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 4: But Gino Smith is a good quarterback, Brock, They've got

818
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: some depth. I don't know what happens with Jacoby Myers,

819
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: whether you know they chip him off a couple extra

820
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: dollars to make him happy. But it kind of goes

821
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: to even in a subpar year, look how great powers.

822
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: Was Bowers was that good with Aidan O'Connell throwing him

823
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 5: the ball. So now you have Geno Smith, who we

824
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: know is at least competent.

825
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's the Aidan O'Connell slander. Guy can't

826
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: even wave one finger back at you right now.

827
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I'm right there with Ian on that.

828
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: There are so many Raider fans that thought he was

829
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: the answer. Oh my goodness.

830
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: I just wanted to see the little Purdue guy do good.

831
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: But conference man, No, But like it was the is

832
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: he going to be serviceable?

833
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: Right? Not great? Yeah, And Bauers showed.

834
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: To that point like it didn't matter. He was going

835
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: to find the ball.

836
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: I love the spots of the tight ends because I

837
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: so am curious on where Travis Kelce goes. I am

838
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: so curious on where guys like Mark Andrews go because

839
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: these are the names that just a couple of years ago.

840
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: I mean, we knew that Travis Kelce was the top

841
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: tight end kind of like Brock Bowers is now for

842
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: so long, and then all of a sudden, Andrews emerged

843
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: down to the scene, and now those guys kind of

844
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: fall back in the pack. Travis Kelce, obviously newly engaged,

845
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: been the story of the last week, but it's also

846
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: been the story of the off season, of the poor

847
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: performance in the super Bowl. What's he going to do

848
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: for the upcoming season. I've been surprised in the drafts

849
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: that I've been in, Mike that and Ian, I don't

850
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: know if it's the case that you've seen as well.

851
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey hasn't been overdrafted in our leagues, and I

852
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: think everybody's kind of onto it, which makes me think

853
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: that wherever you get him, there's actually value to drafting him.

854
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's something to that. I've seen him

855
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: fall as well in pretty much every draft I've been in,

856
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: and I'm kind of just operating under the rule of

857
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: just I'm not touching him because last year. I feel

858
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 5: like going into last year into the season, you kind

859
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 5: of go in under the assumption that they kind of

860
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: keep him on ice until the playoffs. And he's only

861
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: a year older now. I don't see why that changes,

862
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: especially now he's got other distractions in his life as

863
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 5: we know.

864
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: So i'd be curious, you know, if we can get

865
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: a true assessment of this offseason versus last, because I

866
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: mean they kind of went into hiding for the most part.

867
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: A couple of dinners, but not a lot of activity.

868
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 4: So was he back in the gym because last year

869
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 4: he was overseas right and center time and time again

870
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 4: as part of the ariostool right and and you'd see

871
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: him and he still had a great year for anybody

872
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: who's not named Travis kelcey. Except when it mattered right

873
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: the end. There's a spotlight of what four or five

874
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: plays from the Super Bowl that you can clearly just say, okay,

875
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: what are we doing here?

876
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: Well?

877
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 5: And the price to get him was like first round, second, No,

878
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 5: that's right, right, yeah, the fantasy price off it was huge.

879
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: But then you saw him, beer brought worths, all of

880
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: that stuff, and you know the only time he did

881
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 5: anything athletic was when he showed up in a tuxedo

882
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: to be part of.

883
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: The dance act.

884
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: And then we got into the year, and again great

885
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: numbers overall for most other tight ends that aren't of

886
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: his history. So I want to, I want to, I'm curious, right,

887
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 4: what was the off season regimen getting back to work?

888
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 4: Do you now have value as you know tight end

889
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: seven or eight or wherever he is down that list

890
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 4: for you, But certainly nobody's reaching right, there's Bowers, then

891
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 4: there's a round. Maybe the back end of the next

892
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: round is where you see McBride come off. And then

893
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: to your point, Dan, it becomes the all right, who

894
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 4: do you love most out of that next tier of guys?

895
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: Are you trusting that George Kittle's gonna stay upright for

896
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: a full seventeen?

897
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Again?

898
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean he's he's got the volume, but but that's

899
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: all that could also be seen as a negative for

900
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: Kittle because he's getting that much work.

901
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: Well and at the run blocking that he does. Yeah, right,

902
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: he's still one of the few throwbacks in that regard.

903
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: So questions there, Hockinson. It goes back to the McCarthy

904
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: question we were asking a little bit earlier, and with

905
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 4: all those wide receiver weapons and and Aaron Jones, what's

906
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: the workload there? Laporta last year was the guy everybody

907
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: you know clamored for. Uh, if you didn't go down

908
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 4: the veteran route. And then there's there's just a bunch

909
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: of guys maybe a little bit of excitement for Tyler

910
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: Warren as as you know, a guy who just becomes

911
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: target one for Daniel Jones. Uh so I've seen.

912
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: Him raft Harry, Yeah, yeah.

913
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: No, but you know what I mean, it's just that,

914
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: you know, look, we always talked about the running back

915
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: and the tight end being the great safety valve and

916
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: elixir for young quarterbacks.

917
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Also could be for guys.

918
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: On their bad quarterbacks and last leg Yes.

919
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: I look at a name like Dalton Kincaid is someone

920
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: who I was so high on for value wise for

921
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 3: for tight end, and I'd rather now take a flyer

922
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: on Tyler Warren.

923
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 4: You know stouts back right where Kyle Pitts is being drafted, right,

924
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 4: he's being drafted as a mid tight end too. Well,

925
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: we know when things break right physically, how many guys

926
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 4: stand up to what he can do.

927
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: At his best And like you said, he trusted, Like

928
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 5: you said earlier, it's just Drake London. There's no one

929
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 5: else so he has.

930
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we like our mclouds and other guys,

931
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: but in terms of four you know, guys at the forefront.

932
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say this, and I would just I

933
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: go on a different direction with the Falcons, and you

934
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: guys know this because they feel that Pennix could have

935
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: a great year. I feel that the conversation about Kyle

936
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: Pitts is the fit into what they do because they

937
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: are a different team than when Kyle Pitts was drafted.

938
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: So even though Moody's hurt and I do like Ray

939
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: Ray McLeod, I think that he's.

940
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: We've talked about him at Guy probably more than any

941
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: any other podcast or read.

942
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's warranted with Pitts because I

943
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: just don't think that he does fit. I don't think

944
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: he fits in what they want to do. And that's

945
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: why I I mean, where he's falling, There's there's no

946
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: problem in taking him. Like you, there's just there's no

947
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: reason to reach on any of anything with Kyle Pitts.

948
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: But I just I will be surprised if people are

949
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised by taking him. I think that you at

950
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: least have to figure out another maybe a backup option

951
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: at tight end because I think there's a reason that

952
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: he's at the spot that he's at.

953
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have a couple other guys when you know,

954
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 4: for curiosity's sake, whatever Mason Taylor becomes for the Jets,

955
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: you know, again being drafted as a back end too.

956
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: But again a guy in justin fields who I'm not

957
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: expecting him to wing it around, right, you're going to

958
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: run the football. He's going to run the football, and

959
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: it's going to be the short and intermediate game. So

960
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: death by a thousand cuts. See what I did. I

961
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: got Taylor Swift back into the show. But anyway, the

962
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: tight end position just gets really crowded, and we've seen

963
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: the push league wise the settings to where we're now

964
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: doing more of the wr tight end combo platter instead

965
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 4: of having an isolated tight end position for the very

966
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: fact that you only have a couple of guys that

967
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: people are clamoring for. And then there's all right, I'll

968
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: fill in that later. It's almost to where we're at

969
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: tight ends, kickers and defenses going in the fine three rounds.

970
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: Well, Hey, full backs are coming back in the NFL,

971
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: so let's figure out different ways. Let's start drafting full backs.

972
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: That's hot and yes, let's uh maybe like that'll be

973
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: our plan for twenty twenty six in because we do

974
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: have big things coming up. There is something big coming up.

975
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: Mike Harmon is going to be appearing on Good Date Chicago.

976
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: That's on Friday, August twenty ninth. So if you get

977
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: an opportunity talking some fantasy football should be fun talking

978
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: to everybody in your home.

979
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: City, getting back into hometown. I don't know if I'm

980
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: gonna wear the cutler Suresey or not or what that background?

981
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: Do you?

982
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: You gotta wear what your mom saved for good Mike,

983
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: this is a TV appearance actually done. So yes, that

984
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: got the.

985
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: Shirt and tie combination that's been sitting in the back

986
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 4: of the closet for a while just for this moment.

987
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, we can't wait to We'll review that appearance

988
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: the next time that we get together and we'll be

989
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: talking about Week one. We'll be talking about Eagles, Cowboys

990
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: and so much more because the games are almost here. Guys.

991
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: This was fun breaking down the positions and we could

992
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: start talking about football games soon. How about that.

993
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: Let's get it on.

994
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: Let's do it all right for Ian Roddy and Mike

995
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: Carmen I'm Dan Bayer. That's been your wide receiver tennant

996
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 3: to wrap up right here on I want your flex