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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Georgian Ore. Along with mister Lobo. Mister Lobo,

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Speaker 2: you worked on a film in California called The Blind Bargain.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that I did.

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Speaker 3: It was quite an experience. It was based on a

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Speaker 3: lost Lawn Cheney film from the twenties, also called a

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Speaker 3: Blind Bargain. And it's got some amazing kind of monster

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Speaker 3: makeup in it. It's got really interesting kind of characters.

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Speaker 3: It's filmed very film noir. It stars Kristin Glover and

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Speaker 3: Amy Wright and boy. It was directed by Paul Bonnell,

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Speaker 3: who directed a movie called The Ghastly Love of Johnny X,

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Speaker 3: which we showed on Cinema and Zombia last year. And

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Speaker 3: what we got to do was, you know, we got

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Speaker 3: to know the director when we hosted his film, and

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Speaker 3: then he liked the way we did our show, so

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Speaker 3: he brought us in to do all the behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: So we got to interview all the actors, all the

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Speaker 3: special effects of people, all the writers, editive producers.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then I also got to be in the film.

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Speaker 3: I have a role in the film and it's just

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Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, it was a really experience and it's

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Speaker 3: so much work, twelve plus hours of day, six days

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Speaker 3: a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: And it was film this time, not digital, right.

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Speaker 3: It was filmed, Yeah, actual film and this digital age

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Speaker 3: we're talking about high tech. They actually shot this on

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Speaker 3: Super sixteen and it looks beautiful. It's got that sort

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Speaker 3: of warmth that film has, and you know it's with

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Speaker 3: with they had no safeguards, no as far as backups.

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Speaker 3: It's like they either got it on film or they

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Speaker 3: didn't get it at all. And so it was very

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Speaker 3: kind of thrilling to see the technical you know, with

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Speaker 3: with with digital, it's just cheap, just roll and roll

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Speaker 3: and roll on none of the matters. With filming, you're

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Speaker 3: burning a frame and it just costs so much. You know,

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Speaker 3: every you know it's so costly to do, but you

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Speaker 3: know it makes you plan better, it makes you you know,

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Speaker 3: you can't you know, you can't do it on accident.

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Speaker 3: You really have to know what you're after and you

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Speaker 3: only want to get it, and you know it's few

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Speaker 3: takes as possible. But there was a great energy on

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Speaker 3: the set of that, and I think it was also

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Speaker 3: a great way to homage the classic horror tones of

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Speaker 3: this this piece. And you know what's beautiful about it

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Speaker 3: is that, you know, even though photography was invented, people

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Speaker 3: didn't stop painting, you know what I mean. And I

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Speaker 3: think that even though digital exists, there are still some

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Speaker 3: filmmakers who want to work with film, and I think

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Speaker 3: that that's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 2: Directors like Marty SCORSESEI they still use thirty five millimeter

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Speaker 2: film or have they gone digital?

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Speaker 3: I think Scorsesey does, if I'm not mistaken, But I

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Speaker 3: know that like David Lynch and a lot of directors

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Speaker 3: you know, I think it's I think it's great that

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Speaker 3: form and do do their favorite art form in the

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Speaker 3: way the old masters did their favorite art form.

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Speaker 2: So lovell let's talk a little bit about TV horror hosts.

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Speaker 2: When did that genre really start?

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Speaker 3: The genre really started in the fifties. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: there were always horror hosts to a certain degree in radio.

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Speaker 3: You know, you had you know, like Lights Out and

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Speaker 3: inter Sanctum and stuff like that. But as far as

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Speaker 3: a TV horror movie hosts, that started in the fifties

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Speaker 3: screen gems packaged a bunch of universal horror films for

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Speaker 3: television for the first time, and then they were They

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Speaker 3: went out to stations across the country and every every

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Speaker 3: there was a national phenomenon that had that happened locally.

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Speaker 3: Every single market had their own character, you know, vampire

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Speaker 3: or bad scientist or whatever. They would host these films,

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Speaker 3: and some markets didn't do a host at all. They

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Speaker 3: they made in house.

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Speaker 2: I know Detroit had my buddy who's passed on, doctor Morges, remember.

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Speaker 3: Him, Oh, doctor Morgas. Of course, he was definitely one

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Speaker 3: of the best. The old ice House, right, yep, Chopsley

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Speaker 3: is it Chopsley?

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Speaker 2: Chopsley was his little big assistant the Harriet launched.

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Speaker 3: His little big assistant. Yes, and he was always doing

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Speaker 3: his wild experiments during the movie, which never seemed to

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Speaker 3: come over quite right. There were always problems with his experiments.

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Speaker 3: But what an inventive, amazing guy. Boy. I loved when

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Speaker 2: George, had we had fun. And then I remember in

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Speaker 2: Detroit her Graves Ghastly.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yes, it was amazing too, and he was syndicated.

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Speaker 3: People in even as far down as Virginia got to

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Speaker 2: Did most local markets have local horror hosts?

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Speaker 3: The bigger I would say most of the bigger markets did,

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Speaker 3: I think, I think a lot, like I said some

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Speaker 2: What about Vampire? How did she start.

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Speaker 3: Vampire? Was she was an an actress in La. She

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Speaker 3: with a kt LA party and she was dressed and

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Speaker 3: Missus Adams from the Adams family, and they liked her

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Speaker 3: look and they asked if she would host the horror

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Speaker 3: they couldn't get away with having her just be Missus

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Speaker 3: Her husband and her created Vampire. She had a twelve

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Speaker 3: inch waist a Guinness Book World Record's smallest waste twelve inches. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So she had a wasp waist that made her look cadaverous,

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Speaker 3: And she was in Life magazine and made a huge splash,

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Speaker 3: very imitated by many horror hosts, including al Vira in

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Speaker 3: the eighties. So, yeah, she was, but she started back

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Speaker 2: TV when the Adams Family came out, didn't Morticia kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's interesting, it's the tale, what's the dog in?

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Speaker 3: What's the Tale? And who's wagging what? She saw the

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Speaker 3: comic strip and took some aspects of vampire, took some

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Speaker 3: But then, but she was so popular that when they

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Speaker 2: How about you, When did you get started in the

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, well, I back in two thousand and one

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Speaker 3: is when it really warmed up for me. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: it was way before that. In the nineties, I made

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Speaker 3: went anywhere. And then but in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: I worked at a TV station ABC affiliate in Sacramento

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Speaker 3: that runs twenty five minutes short. You've got six and

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Speaker 3: a half minute commercial breaks. Have you ever tried to

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Speaker 3: they said no, And I said, well, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you're obvious either. Can we fill this time with something?

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Speaker 3: Can I try to fill this time with host segments?

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Speaker 3: And they didn't care, which was the best thing ever.

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Speaker 3: So we started creating host segments for the Overnight movie.

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Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and one, and that evolved into

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Speaker 4: Zombia, which it's been it's almost twenty, what's twenty three

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Speaker 2: That's great. That's like saying, where were you born?

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Speaker 3: Sacramento, California.

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Speaker 2: You've been all over the map, done, haven't you?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you know you just go where the where

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Speaker 3: the where the water is warm, where the food is

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Speaker 3: you know it is, George. You know, you just need

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Speaker 3: a mat on the ground, a dish with your name

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Speaker 2: I was curious. Gomanz that I'm was played by John

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Speaker 2: Ashton Is. He's still alive. He's ninety four years old.

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Speaker 3: He's still alive, and he does these one man shows

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Speaker 3: where he plays Edgar Allen Poe. Uh and he lives

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Speaker 3: still he's still great. He's just you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: more modern film like The Frighteners, and it's like, man,

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Speaker 2: Guy you're meant He was a fellow by the name

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Speaker 3: Bob Wilkins was the host of Creature Features in the

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Speaker 2: Why did it die out.

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Speaker 3: A lot of reasons. I think a cable and you know,

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Speaker 2: I what do you think of streaming?

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Speaker 3: Now? Streaming is interesting, it's wonderful and terrible. It's a

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Speaker 3: and then they'll always say, oh, well, I don't have

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Speaker 3: of that communal thing where you know, you talk to

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Speaker 3: there's this show that I watch, you know, so, and

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Speaker 3: then again, you've got all of these services, and if

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Speaker 3: you subscribe to all of them, you're paying as much

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Speaker 3: these things that you you know, you paid for these

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Speaker 3: you know, they're not making the money that they thought

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Speaker 3: the same time as the movies are released being released

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Speaker 3: in theaters, and sometimes that hurts the movies in theaters,

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Speaker 3: really feel like they they've come across what really works

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Speaker 2: The executives a blockbuster video mister Lowo, We're asleep at

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Speaker 2: the wheel, weren't they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they sure were they sure were Scheorge.

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Speaker 2: I mean I envision some young executive going into his

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Speaker 2: boss's office saying, there's something called streaming which is going

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Speaker 2: to hurt all our stores. We need to get into it.

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Speaker 2: And the guy probably said, what are you talking about.

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Speaker 2: We're invested in all this real estate and retail. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to get in to this other technology to

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. And you know who the you

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Speaker 3: know who that person did end up talking to with

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Speaker 3: Netflix because Netflix was renting DVDs to people through the mail.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember I remember that then you just drop

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Speaker 2: it back in the mail to send it back.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, and and and and everyone was giving that business.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was was was carving the gravestone for that business,

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Speaker 3: just like they were carving the gravestone for Amazon. Oh

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Speaker 3: you're selling books over the internet. Yeah, that's not going

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you guys, are you guys are mailing

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Speaker 3: You're going to be gone in five years. And they

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Speaker 2: I met Jeff Bezos about a month ago. He walked

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Speaker 2: Oh Wow over the weekend, and as he he's going

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Speaker 2: by me, I said, Jeff, if I don't shake your hand,

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Speaker 2: And he came back and shook my hand and said, Hi,

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Speaker 2: was just thinking, as you just pointed out, the guy

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Speaker 2: When I look at him now, he's one of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, no one would have ever thought that.

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Speaker 3: You know. Everyone was talking about people not even selling

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Speaker 2: I think he's responsible for places like Seers biting the dust.

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Speaker 3: Well and Sears. I think missed the boat because they

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Speaker 3: were the original mail order.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they had that catalog they had.

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Speaker 3: The cattlealog they should have been. The first years, should

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