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Speaker 6: It is Monday, August seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 6: episode number fifteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 6: We're life Moxnard, California. Man, we're rounding this thing out.
Speaker 6: We've been here two weeks. We got about two more
Speaker 6: weeks left, although we do get a slight respite. We
Speaker 6: get to go home for about it's not even a
Speaker 6: full twenty four hours. We'll be at home for the
Speaker 6: upcoming preseason game of Cowboys to kick it off this
Speaker 6: weekend against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 4: Come back out for a final week, head out to
Speaker 4: Seattle for a game.
Speaker 6: Then we'll be back and then we'll be heading into
Speaker 6: the season two weeks later. So it's coming quick. It's
Speaker 6: coming really quick. It's almost it is so what we're
Speaker 6: gonna do today. Brian's out with us today. He's actually
Speaker 6: back in Dallas at this point, So it's up to
Speaker 6: us to hold it down, or at least up to
Speaker 6: the three of us to hold it down for the
Speaker 6: next week. And then when we go to Dallas, we're
Speaker 6: gonna actually leave Amber. She's like not coming back. She's
Speaker 6: not coming back.
Speaker 7: She's not dropping me off in Dallas.
Speaker 6: That final week is gonna be me and Patrick and Uh.
Speaker 6: I think we might actually have a little special guests
Speaker 6: for everybody that final week. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 6: Amber likes that idea, but we're going to see how
Speaker 6: it goes well.
Speaker 2: She's really relaxed right now for her massage. I don't
Speaker 2: think she cares.
Speaker 4: That's true, right, she's feeling.
Speaker 2: She's on her wave right now.
Speaker 7: I just think once you part of ways with somebody,
Speaker 7: you shouldn't necessarily go back to that. There is a
Speaker 7: period where you just stay away from each other and
Speaker 7: then maybe down the road you might reconnect. But this
Speaker 7: is too soon. But hey, I'm not having a relationship.
Speaker 2: Relationship advice from new Garcia, all right, So here's what
Speaker 2: we're gonna do today.
Speaker 6: We got a lot to catch up on Cowboys have
Speaker 6: their blue white practice.
Speaker 4: It wasn't really a scrimmage. It used to be a scrimmage.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a scrimmage. It as a practice.
Speaker 6: But have the practice Saturday, and we had some some
Speaker 6: notes from that. I want to hear from you guys
Speaker 6: on some of the things you saw, some interesting notes
Speaker 6: of players in moments. We'll definitely get into that mojo moment.
Speaker 6: That's something worth discussing. And then what we're gonna do
Speaker 6: is we're gonna round out our We started this conversation
Speaker 6: last week, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 6: We have a few more positions on the offense and
Speaker 6: then on some on the defense. But we're really talking
Speaker 6: about camp battles, and we're gonna go through each position
Speaker 6: and we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Kind of line out the top.
Speaker 6: Four or five six players at that position, so the
Speaker 6: fans can get an idea of, based on what we've
Speaker 6: seen out here, how this thing is shaping up. As
Speaker 6: far as who's gonna be your starters in most instances,
Speaker 6: we know that, but what does your depth look like?
Speaker 6: Who are the guys that are your depth pieces, your third, fourth,
Speaker 6: fifth guys on the roster at each position? We'll go
Speaker 6: through some of that. We'll also take some questions. Remember,
Speaker 6: we got our new text line up and rolling. The
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Speaker 6: the show. So send us what you got and we'll
Speaker 6: try to integrate you into the show. All right, So
Speaker 6: let's start first with uh Patri, Let's get some injury updates.
Speaker 6: A couple guys, Ronald Jones, Luke Schoonmaker. What are we
Speaker 6: hearing about those guys right now?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 8: Ronald Jones left the Blue White practice on Saturday with
Speaker 8: what's being described as a growing injury.
Speaker 2: The severity of that is unknown at the moment.
Speaker 8: We'll get more information from Mike McCarthy today as far
Speaker 8: as if Rojo is going to practice. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 8: tough week for him last week, gets the news of
Speaker 8: the two game suspension and then he leaves on Saturday,
Speaker 8: So and groins can be a bit nagging. So we'll
Speaker 8: see if he practices today or at all this week.
Speaker 8: We'll see other Cowboys handle that. Luke Schoomaker bittersweet news
Speaker 8: more sweet than bitter. He suffered what Mike McCarthy described
Speaker 8: as a minor setback in his recovery from plantar fasciitis.
Speaker 8: The expectation initially was that Schoon would be on the
Speaker 8: field potentially for the Blue White practice, but the date
Speaker 8: was changed, but not too far out because the expectation
Speaker 8: is now moved to today. So we'll ask Mike about
Speaker 8: that today if that's still the plan or if they're
Speaker 8: going to give schoolmakers some more time. Donovan Wilson, he
Speaker 8: was seen without a boot on Saturday, so big news
Speaker 8: there as he battles back from that cap string he
Speaker 8: suffered a couple of weeks ago. Initially the injury, the
Speaker 8: prognosis was several weeks for he and Israel mcwamu. Donovan
Speaker 8: Wilson was on the sideline with no boot, that's key
Speaker 8: to note. And Israel mcwuamu actually returned to full team practice,
Speaker 8: full team duty. So the safety unit is getting healthy
Speaker 8: for the Cowboys, and that's great news, especially when you
Speaker 8: combine it with the fact that young guys je Ye,
Speaker 8: Thomas Marquee Spell they've been out there doing some good work.
Speaker 8: Sam Williams shoulder string last week, he returned to full
Speaker 8: practice duties last Thursday, so of course he was participating
Speaker 8: on Saturday. So Cowboys are the minor injuries that they're
Speaker 8: dealing with. They're getting healthier, and Luke school Maker looks
Speaker 8: like he's making his way toward a training camp debut.
Speaker 6: How much do you guys think this injury to Schoonmaker
Speaker 6: set him back that tight end position. It's a it's
Speaker 6: an interesting position, and we're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 6: about that when we get into our depth, but that's
Speaker 6: one of the positions that I look at and I'm like,
Speaker 6: every day I'm seeing different guys that are lowered down
Speaker 6: the depth chart making plays out here, getting familiar with
Speaker 6: the offense.
Speaker 4: How much is this setting the rookie back.
Speaker 7: I mean, for a rookie, you never want to miss
Speaker 7: any type of time. You're still trying to build that
Speaker 7: relationship with your quarterback and just go out there and
Speaker 7: run routes. But for a guy like him, I know
Speaker 7: when he was drafted, we were talking a lot about
Speaker 7: him and possibly him making somewhat of an impact this
Speaker 7: year early on, but I never really saw them that way.
Speaker 7: I still saw the other guys up front, and I'm
Speaker 7: curious what Brian would even say when it comes to blocking,
Speaker 7: how he was looking. That's the guy I haven't seen
Speaker 7: much out here when he was doing things. Were you
Speaker 7: noticing something as first the blocking aspect of his game?
Speaker 2: Not quite yet? Not quite yet, So.
Speaker 7: Those are things that you're I mean, it's a big
Speaker 7: step back, but like he said, we don't know how
Speaker 7: much time that's gonna be. But as far as what
Speaker 7: I was expecting to get from him this year early on,
Speaker 7: it wasn't necessarily much.
Speaker 8: Well for my stance when it comes to schoolmaker Amber
Speaker 8: makes a great point. When you're a rookie, you don't
Speaker 8: want to miss any time at all, especially at the
Speaker 8: beginning when it's your first training camp. You're trying to
Speaker 8: get your legs under you. You're trying to get a
Speaker 8: chemistry with these quarterbacks. You're trying to build that on
Speaker 8: field chemistry with the Titans coach Lunda Wells, and you
Speaker 8: know the veterans that are on the team, Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 8: Peyton Hindershot Sean McEwan. But you also have to factor
Speaker 8: in when he does come back to the field's not
Speaker 8: going to immediately be immediately be one hundred percent coming
Speaker 8: off of a plantar fasciitis injury. As a tight end,
Speaker 8: who's going to have to block, which means he has
Speaker 8: to plant his feet into the ground and hold anchor.
Speaker 2: He's going to have to run routes and get open
Speaker 2: in space.
Speaker 8: So when he comes back, let's say it takes two
Speaker 8: to three weeks for him to acclimate fully. So that's most,
Speaker 8: if not all, a training camp before he's back at
Speaker 8: one hundred percent physically, maybe mentally, and then it's week one.
Speaker 8: So it made to your point, Derek, we may not
Speaker 8: see prime Luke schoon Maker until you know, four weeks
Speaker 8: into the season because he's missing training camp.
Speaker 7: And what's song from my understanding from this type of
Speaker 7: injuries is that it's not necessarily something that you just fix.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't go and get a surgery and
Speaker 7: get it fixed right away or anything like that. Something
Speaker 7: not even when he's still he feels good now and
Speaker 7: goes back out there, it can pop up again all
Speaker 7: of a sudden. Who was it? Was it a Maari
Speaker 7: that that was that? For Ai it was a receiver
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago. I think it it's a
Speaker 7: very painful injury.
Speaker 6: I mean painful injuries that takes your while to get past,
Speaker 6: and there is no there's no real like escaping the pain.
Speaker 4: Like the pain is the pain. You're just gonna be pain.
Speaker 8: And it's also a weird injury in that if you've
Speaker 8: ever suffered it, or if you just kind of know
Speaker 8: of the the athletic medical side of it, you kind
Speaker 8: of wanted to pop, so to speak, you would rather
Speaker 8: that ligament go ahead and pop so it can heal
Speaker 8: faster as opposed to just being that strain, because it's
Speaker 8: the strain that's more aggravating, it's the strain that takes
Speaker 8: longer to heal. So I'm sure there was a decision
Speaker 8: made there on if he wanted to have that done forcefully,
Speaker 8: or if he felt like or if Britt Brown and
Speaker 8: the training staff and the medical team here felt like
Speaker 8: it was not so much of a strain that they
Speaker 8: didn't have to go to that extreme. But it's a
Speaker 8: weird injury because you would rather it just and then
Speaker 8: you'd heal faster. So a lot of things are are
Speaker 8: kind of factoring into win school Maker can or cannot
Speaker 8: come back. But again McCarthy said, the expectation now is
Speaker 8: that it happens on Monday, and as we're having this conversation.
Speaker 8: I'm seeing a report that he will in fact come
Speaker 8: up with a non football injury list today. Again, we'll
Speaker 8: confirm that with Mike when he speaks in about an
Speaker 8: hour or so from now. But if that's the case,
Speaker 8: then yes, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get our
Speaker 8: first look at second round pick former Wolverine Luke Schoolmaker
Speaker 8: in today's practice.
Speaker 6: And what we have to know is like that also
Speaker 6: the most important thing, I guess I shouldn't say the
Speaker 6: most important thing, but the thing that I want to
Speaker 6: see most from him, as you mentioned, Namber, is the
Speaker 6: ability to block, because that's where I feel like they
Speaker 6: had some room. I think they got a lot of
Speaker 6: tight ends on this team who can catch passes, who
Speaker 6: can get up field, who to make plays.
Speaker 7: You've seen the blocking not be there at times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that's what he did at Michigan.
Speaker 6: They feel like they can get more out of him
Speaker 6: than just being a blocking tight end. But at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, if he's a great blocking tight end.
Speaker 8: That's valuable for the Dallas coultl He's very solid on
Speaker 8: his film for Michigan as a blocker. I believe, like
Speaker 8: you said, I believe that there's more in that two
Speaker 8: box than just being a blocker. I think he's the
Speaker 8: most well rounded tight end in the room right now. Again,
Speaker 8: we have to see that on the NFL field. We
Speaker 8: have to see that on the Cowboys practice field before
Speaker 8: we can really definitively say that. I like the progress
Speaker 8: in blocking that Jake Ferguson is making. For example, He's
Speaker 8: making strides in that category, so I think he's right
Speaker 8: there with Ferguson.
Speaker 2: But Ferguson obviously has the leg up. But I'm really
Speaker 2: really looking forward to seeing what Schoon can bring. Uh.
Speaker 8: And he's not a small dude. This is a this
Speaker 8: is a big boy. So I think the blocking will
Speaker 8: kind of take care of itself. What I'm looking for
Speaker 8: if and when he shows up in practice today, tomorrow,
Speaker 8: whatever the case may be, I want to see how
Speaker 8: comfortable he is running routes on that foot. That's going
Speaker 8: to tell the real story on how he how good
Speaker 8: he feels or does not feel.
Speaker 7: I will say, at least, at the very least, he's
Speaker 7: been getting work. What are those machines called jokes, they
Speaker 7: throw the ball. Yeah, he's been doing a lot of that,
Speaker 7: and he's looked pretty good. I mean, that's a it
Speaker 7: looks like an easy exercise. But you know those balls,
Speaker 7: yeah yeah, yeah, But he's looked good catching those balls
Speaker 7: and at least working in that sense. So we'll see
Speaker 7: it once he gets out there.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about his hands. He's got hands. Yeah, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I won't look at his foot honestly for.
Speaker 4: Both the first and the second round pick.
Speaker 6: I know that the Cowboys feel like they can get
Speaker 6: more out of them than what they showed in college.
Speaker 6: But quite frankly, for me, if they can at least
Speaker 6: do what they did very well in college, Mazzie stopping
Speaker 6: the run, Schoonmaker blocking, if they can do that in
Speaker 6: their first year, that's putting the Cowboys far ahead of
Speaker 6: where they were because those are two areas where they
Speaker 6: could use that extra, that ability where they don't really
Speaker 6: they didn't really have it consistently last year. We're gonna
Speaker 6: take our first break when we come back. I'm going
Speaker 6: to jump into some standout moments from the blue eye practice.
Speaker 6: We'll get to that mojo moment. We'll let these guys
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Speaker 6: We are in the second segment of The Break live
Speaker 6: from Oxnard, California, and we're going to talk about this
Speaker 6: Blue White practice that happened on Saturday. I want to
Speaker 6: get to you guys giving me some of your standout
Speaker 6: moments or standout players. But before we do that, we
Speaker 6: got to talk a little bit about the Mojo moment.
Speaker 6: And for those out there who are listening that don't
Speaker 6: know what the mojo moment is. Essentially, during practice, coach
Speaker 6: will have a short period of practice where they will
Speaker 6: work on something. It's usually a competitive type situation that
Speaker 6: he wants to put them in offense versus defense, or
Speaker 6: special teams or something where there is competition and he
Speaker 6: just kind of highlights it for the whole team to
Speaker 6: be around and everybody's watching and see how the competition works.
Speaker 6: That day on Saturday, Mojo moment was built around Basically,
Speaker 6: it was kind of a two play type situation. You
Speaker 6: have the ball, you're needing to get into field goal range,
Speaker 6: kind of right at the outskirts of field goal range.
Speaker 6: You get one play, and then after that one play,
Speaker 6: you gotta get the field goal unit on the field.
Speaker 6: They got to try to kick a field goal to win.
Speaker 6: There were six opportunities. There was one made field goal,
Speaker 6: one five misses. Who know, what were your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: And is it?
Speaker 4: I know there was a lot made of it.
Speaker 6: I think we all raise our eyebrows quite a bit
Speaker 6: in the grand scheme of things. How how important was
Speaker 6: that or how much of a problem is that?
Speaker 4: In your opinion, that.
Speaker 8: Was a massive problem. I've sat here on this panel
Speaker 8: now a couple of times and we and I specifically said,
Speaker 8: I was not convinced that the kicker that that's going
Speaker 8: to be the eventual kicker for twenty twenty three is
Speaker 8: on the roster right now. And I said, because the
Speaker 8: body of evidence is lacking. I hadn't seen anything. There's
Speaker 8: nothing on the resume. Now, Viscayano, he did well in
Speaker 8: mini camp, but that's mini camp. So now you're out
Speaker 8: here and I get it. The win and whatnot the elements,
Speaker 8: but that's football. The crowd you just heard. You heard
Speaker 8: how the crowd was just eviscerating them after each miss.
Speaker 8: That's football, and that pressure packed situation in the Mojo
Speaker 8: moment you missed between the two kickers, you missed five
Speaker 8: of the six, and the misses were not pretty.
Speaker 2: One in particular, it looked like it hit.
Speaker 8: A bird and died in the end zone, only it
Speaker 8: did not hit a bird.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened in that instant.
Speaker 8: In that instance, my main point being I already had
Speaker 8: concern and I needed these kickers, one or both of them,
Speaker 8: to string together good days. But when the pressure was
Speaker 8: on and everybody was watching and the crowd was first
Speaker 8: cheering for them and then jeerying against them because the
Speaker 8: crowd was displeased, they just started to fold more and more,
Speaker 8: to the point where when they finally made the one,
Speaker 8: which was the final kick, the crowd exploded because the
Speaker 8: crowd was so upset that the first five were missed
Speaker 8: and these weren't sixty yard field goals that were being attempted.
Speaker 2: So I had concern already.
Speaker 8: Now it's Defcon one for me, So Cowboys, I would
Speaker 8: love to see that kicker competition, get another body.
Speaker 4: In the room.
Speaker 7: Hopefully soon, Hopefully soon we'll see what happens and what
Speaker 7: they just had to do. Something that I don't understand,
Speaker 7: and maybe you guys do, is this whole thing. When
Speaker 7: you start talking about it, some people will say, well,
Speaker 7: this is a hard place to kick, just the wind,
Speaker 7: the place, the trees. And I look and I stand
Speaker 7: out there, and I'm just like, how like, I don't
Speaker 7: understand why that's even a point to point. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: I know Nick would be one to argue that and say, well,
Speaker 7: this and the trees, and it looks pretty simple to me.
Speaker 7: It looks pretty basic as to what you would have
Speaker 7: in any other place. The wind has not been crazy.
Speaker 7: You have the little orange flags on there on the poles.
Speaker 6: Talking roughly, if you look at it, it's about ten
Speaker 6: to twelve miles powers what the wind has been at.
Speaker 4: It's worse out here, which is not again that's not horrible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, nothing, nothing that it should create the problem that
Speaker 7: we're seeing. So definitely very concerning. And you know, this
Speaker 7: is once again I feel we're sitting here similar to
Speaker 7: what we were last year. Hopefully it doesn't play out
Speaker 7: the same way as it did going into the season
Speaker 7: and towards the end of the season. But uh, they
Speaker 7: have to do something. They have to do something quick
Speaker 7: and try to fix it and get the whoever it
Speaker 7: is to come out here or go to the Star
Speaker 7: and start kicking and kicking and and just better the craft.
Speaker 7: I don't I don't know what else to say about this,
Speaker 7: but right now, I don't think the Cowboys have the answer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that the tough part is kicker is one
Speaker 6: of those positions where there just isn't a lot available
Speaker 6: to you at this time of the year. Now, ironically,
Speaker 6: there are a couple veteran kickers out there on the
Speaker 6: on the on the free agency in the free agency market.
Speaker 6: The the issue there is there most of them are
Speaker 6: you know, older, which means most likely you're probably not
Speaker 6: dealing with kickers that have a lot of juice in
Speaker 6: their leg from the standpoint of and I.
Speaker 4: Gonna be booming fifty two to fifty three yarders regularly.
Speaker 6: But if you can get one of them that can
Speaker 6: consistently kick from forty five and inn and consistently hit
Speaker 6: those and get all their extra points, that may be
Speaker 6: your preferable option at this point and now, your offense.
Speaker 4: Is just knows I'm kicking a lot of those long
Speaker 4: field goals.
Speaker 6: That's not gonna be what you had, Like last year,
Speaker 6: you had that you could kick from from deep.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, give me forty five in and I'll
Speaker 4: take it.
Speaker 8: See this, this is why, this is why we get
Speaker 8: along so well.
Speaker 2: Because I was saying this during the Mojo moments.
Speaker 8: I was having this conversation with going to our colleagues,
Speaker 8: and you know, obviously when you start to see these
Speaker 8: kickers make these misses, and the conversation was Mason Crosby,
Speaker 8: Robbie Googe, and then the conversation moved to what about age?
Speaker 8: These guys are mid thirties whatever. And my point then
Speaker 8: is your point. Now we're all on the same page
Speaker 8: when it comes to this. The guys out here are
Speaker 8: in their thirties and they're missing. Okay, So I don't
Speaker 8: want to hear about age. What I want is an
Speaker 8: accurate kicker, someone who's accurate up to forty forty five
Speaker 8: if you had to push them the forty five, Because
Speaker 8: at that point, your offense no longer has the crutch
Speaker 8: of knowing it has a Brett Maher or someone who
Speaker 8: can boot it sixty yards, So you actually know going
Speaker 8: into this drive you better get across the fifty yard
Speaker 8: line minimum, right, You better convert on second and third
Speaker 8: down to avoid fourth down and avoid needing your kicker
Speaker 8: to come in and save the day or save the drive.
Speaker 8: If you remove that crutch, it will probably and likely
Speaker 8: add that much more motivation and push for McCarthy and
Speaker 8: schottenheim Er and Dak and the skilled players to say, hey,
Speaker 8: we have to get this. Why you call the players, Yes,
Speaker 8: we have to get this next conversion. We have to
Speaker 8: get across it because we know, respectfully that this particular kicker,
Speaker 8: be it in their mid thirties, be it Crosby, goul
Speaker 8: whoever they bring in, we know they can't give us
Speaker 8: a fifty five yard We got to get in their range.
Speaker 8: So that makes the offense more aggressive just by default.
Speaker 8: I love that thought process.
Speaker 6: Do you guys prefer a guy like a Maher that
Speaker 6: you know has the leg to kick those fifty two
Speaker 6: fifty three, fifty four yards maybe even deeper than that
Speaker 6: if you needed him to. He's just a little bit
Speaker 6: inconsistent as he was last year on the on the
Speaker 6: extra points. What do you prefer that or the guy
Speaker 6: that you feel more certain that he's gonna kick that
Speaker 6: forty yard in forty two yard in, and you really
Speaker 6: don't have much of a shot once you get into
Speaker 6: that fifty plus range.
Speaker 7: I think it comes down back to Patrick's point. How
Speaker 7: confident are you about your offense? How confident are you
Speaker 7: that you're gonna just drive it down the field and
Speaker 7: get closer to the end zone. And I just think
Speaker 7: that's that's a tough question there, because you need both.
Speaker 7: You need you gotta make you gotta make those extra
Speaker 7: points and you gotta be able to hopefully get in
Speaker 7: there if you're far enough. Give me freaking both. Is
Speaker 7: that too much to us in today's.
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 6: I don't know, Like nowadays it's too much to ask,
Speaker 6: And definitely at this time of the year, it's too
Speaker 6: much to ask for the cowboys, Like, there's not that
Speaker 6: guy's not sitting on the street. If he was that guy,
Speaker 6: he wouldn't be sitting on the street, right, that's fectual.
Speaker 7: I mean three points is worth more than one. So
Speaker 7: if you're.
Speaker 6: So now you're okay with the guy that misses the
Speaker 6: extra point.
Speaker 8: Perfect segue to what I was about. I'm going to completely.
Speaker 8: Please the analytics crowd out there right now, and I'm
Speaker 8: going to say the hell with that extra point. Go
Speaker 8: for two, okay, because the numbers bear out that you
Speaker 8: have a great shot of getting that two point conversion.
Speaker 2: So don't worry about worry about the extra I can
Speaker 2: get a fifty something.
Speaker 8: Fifty something yarder because inevitably, like to the point of
Speaker 8: you don't want to have that crutch for the offense.
Speaker 8: So that point still stands. But inevitably in the NFL game,
Speaker 8: there will come a point where your kicker will have
Speaker 8: to win the game for you on a three point
Speaker 8: field goal. I need that to be more solid than yourself. No,
Speaker 8: I said, no, you're not hearing it. Because there's an inevitability.
Speaker 8: Two things can be true at the same time. I
Speaker 8: want the crutch removed, period. I want the crutch removed.
Speaker 8: But we also have to understand that at a certain
Speaker 8: point you're going to need your kicker to win the game.
Speaker 8: But now that ties back into the offense because let's
Speaker 8: say it's a game winning drive, right, you gotta go
Speaker 8: ninety eight yards if you don't have Now here's the inevitability.
Speaker 2: You're sitting here your face.
Speaker 8: With third down or whatever on the opponent's forty five
Speaker 8: yard line. Right to Derek's point, it's going to force
Speaker 8: your play calling to be different from the first play
Speaker 8: of that drive because you know that this might end
Speaker 8: up being one of those inevitable situations where now we
Speaker 8: might need a field goal kicker to save us, but
Speaker 8: we can't have it at fifty five yards out.
Speaker 2: We can't have it at fifty yards out. So you know, going.
Speaker 8: Into that drive, we gotta get chunk plays. We can't
Speaker 8: come out on the first play of screw imagine and
Speaker 8: run up the a gap. No, no, no, you gotta
Speaker 8: deep inside, deep outside, get some spacing. So it is
Speaker 8: an inevitability. But it's also true that it changes your
Speaker 8: approach if you don't have that kicker. But to answer
Speaker 8: the question succinctly, if you gotta choose between one or
Speaker 8: the other, I don't care about the extra point because
Speaker 8: with this offense and this you know, these skilled players,
Speaker 8: you should be able to get two points far more
Speaker 8: often than not.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm just visualizing all of it. I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 7: we don't have Zeke anymore? Can this in those situations?
Speaker 7: I mean, you gotta die whose still can run I'm
Speaker 7: talking about that scenario trying to convert and what that
Speaker 7: looks like, and what the offensive line currently looks like.
Speaker 7: Hopefully it's improved by the start of the season, but
Speaker 7: I guess some they just hopefully they just find a
Speaker 7: kicker that can kick.
Speaker 6: You bring up an interesting point there you're talking about.
Speaker 6: I think what you're getting at is kind.
Speaker 4: Of short yardage, third and two, third and one. How
Speaker 4: are they gonna pick those up?
Speaker 6: I actually expect, and I don't know that this is true,
Speaker 6: but I expect that we will see on some of
Speaker 6: those short yarded situations, we're gonna actually see them throw
Speaker 6: the ball a little bit more this year. This is
Speaker 6: the kind of offense that's predicated on quick passes to
Speaker 6: get the ball out.
Speaker 4: I could see some three step drops.
Speaker 7: I've seen that already here at training camera. Yeah, than run.
Speaker 4: I think I think three step drop, get the ball
Speaker 4: out quick. You got these quick routes with your receivers. Uh,
Speaker 4: You've got quick routes with your with your tight ends.
Speaker 6: You got quick out routes with your I mean flare
Speaker 6: routes with your your running backs. I think there are
Speaker 6: ways that you will see this offense be a little
Speaker 6: more multi dimensional, uh, in how it approaches short yardage.
Speaker 6: It won't just be either line up and let the
Speaker 6: quarterback just run up the gut or hand it off
Speaker 6: to the running back and have him run up the gut.
Speaker 6: I think you're going to see a lot more opportunities
Speaker 6: for the receivers to get involved in those some of
Speaker 6: those short yard situations and then to convert in that way.
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Speaker 6: Let's let's get some opinions from you guys Saturday that
Speaker 6: the Blue White practice. I want to hear from you guys,
Speaker 6: a couple moments or players that stood out to you.
Speaker 4: Let's start with you Amber, what do you have what
Speaker 4: stood out to you?
Speaker 7: Well? I think overall, I love how this defense is
Speaker 7: looking in general. And I will say this, I am
Speaker 7: very very happy and glad that they decided to pay
Speaker 7: a guy like Trevon Diggs and that he is on
Speaker 7: the team. Because when you see the guys on the
Speaker 7: depth chart, you notice, you notice the difference. You notice
Speaker 7: so much the difference. And one of the things I've
Speaker 7: noticed from Trevon Digs, the only thing I feel that
Speaker 7: he's right now missing is just being able to get
Speaker 7: his hands on the ball. There have been so many
Speaker 7: different plays in situations where he gets so close, so close,
Speaker 7: but it just misses. And I think if he can
Speaker 7: start just grabbing those balls, getting those interceptions. He's gonna
Speaker 7: take it to the next level. But overall he's just
Speaker 7: you can tell why he's here and what he's gonna
Speaker 7: bring to the table and the way that he's elevating
Speaker 7: this offense defense.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, And speaking of that, secondary, I mean, and
Speaker 8: then you extend Maali Cooker for three years twenty four
Speaker 8: million dollars a few months after you, you know, re
Speaker 8: signed Donovan Wilson. Secondary is gonna do numbers, and even
Speaker 8: now looking at the depth, the depth is starting to
Speaker 8: show up his safety. One year Thomas Marquis Bell, but
Speaker 8: one year Thomas he stood out to me again in
Speaker 8: the Blue White practice.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go with Michael Gallup here. I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 8: I mean, we've been seeing a lot of work, a
Speaker 8: lot of impact plays already being made here in camp
Speaker 8: from Brandon Cooks and from Ceedee Lamb. And the question
Speaker 8: is and has been, what does Gallup look like? How
Speaker 8: is he coming along? We're hearing a lot about Cooks
Speaker 8: and Lamb, but what about you know, the third guy.
Speaker 8: Michael Gallup had a fantastic day on Saturday. He looked springy,
Speaker 8: He was in and out of his cuts, he was crisp,
Speaker 8: he was one handed catching the ball in traffic. He
Speaker 8: looked fluid on the cross routes, on the quick slam,
Speaker 8: Michael Gallup looked phenomenal. So for me as much as
Speaker 8: many other players stood out one year, Thomas Jabill, Cox,
Speaker 8: Dumont Clark, he's really starting to kind of give me
Speaker 8: the wide eyes, like, whoa, I'm ready for that.
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. He really showed up on Saturday.
Speaker 8: And that's that's the Michael Gallup that I want to
Speaker 8: see that the Cowboys need to see coming into twenty
Speaker 8: twenty three.
Speaker 6: When you look at this this this overall offense, where
Speaker 6: are they right now as far as where you would
Speaker 6: where you would have expected them to be? And you
Speaker 6: mentioned the receivers, but just overall how they're looking. The
Speaker 6: defense obviously looks great.
Speaker 4: We knew they would look great.
Speaker 6: But offensively, do you get the sense that they're right
Speaker 6: where they should be? Do you think they're a little
Speaker 6: bit behind? You think they're ahead of where you would
Speaker 6: have expected them to be at this point.
Speaker 7: Well, going to the most recent practice, the red zone drills,
Speaker 7: that was not good. That was not good at all.
Speaker 7: I don't know what you're about to be overall, and
Speaker 7: the defense, oh my god, I can flip in the
Speaker 7: offense in general, as far as training camp has been,
Speaker 7: I think they've been doing a pretty nice job. There
Speaker 7: have been areas where yes, you need to perfect and
Speaker 7: work on, but Dak to me has looked really really
Speaker 7: good overall in training camp. But going to the most
Speaker 7: recent one, that red zone drill, I was standing right there,
Speaker 7: I'm just like, oh my god, nope, miss miss, miss
Speaker 7: miss and everything. It was on the defensive side where
Speaker 7: they were just winning every single play. So that was
Speaker 7: an era where I'm like, Okay, this may be something
Speaker 7: that they need to work on. And most of these
Speaker 7: came just passing the ball. It wasn't necessarily running on
Speaker 7: the ground. But that's the point where, yeah, you don't
Speaker 7: want to see those types of things or daks throwing
Speaker 7: the ball that way at times.
Speaker 2: And you're not wrong.
Speaker 8: The offense absolutely struggled in their rid zone drill. But
Speaker 8: the day that, the practice before they had the practice
Speaker 8: before they were surgical. Yeah five touchdowns between five right, yeah,
Speaker 8: five five five for five. So my point was you're
Speaker 8: not wrong in that the offense struggled. My point was
Speaker 8: contextual in that the offense had such a phenomenal day
Speaker 8: against an elite defensive secondary that you could tell the
Speaker 8: defensive secondary went back into the lab and said, that's
Speaker 8: not going to happen again. So then that very next
Speaker 8: padded practice, Dak in that offense looked very disjointed in
Speaker 8: that red zone. So credit to McCarthy, Schottenheimer, Dak and
Speaker 8: his players for going five for five and basically just
Speaker 8: eviscerating the defense on that particular padd of practice last week.
Speaker 8: But then kudos to McCarthy and Wit and Deron Bland
Speaker 8: and Treyvon Diggs for coming back out and saying, I.
Speaker 7: Bet you can, I bet you can't.
Speaker 2: They basically looked at Dick and said, I bet you
Speaker 2: can't do it again. And so now I'm interested this
Speaker 2: back and forth between an elite defense and an offense
Speaker 2: that's trying to regain its elite status. That's what you
Speaker 2: want to see now.
Speaker 8: If the if it was a consistent struggle for the
Speaker 8: offense in the red zone day after day after day,
Speaker 8: yes you could still give roses to the defense, but
Speaker 8: the concern would be rightful on the offensive side of
Speaker 8: the ball. They're trading blows right now. As long as
Speaker 8: they keep trading blows, I'm completely fine with it.
Speaker 2: But to your question, Derek.
Speaker 8: I don't feel like they are where they are going
Speaker 8: to end up being, And a large part of that
Speaker 8: is because the offensive line is still being sorted out.
Speaker 8: So until the offensive line is sorted out and Zach
Speaker 8: Martin is back in the building, back on the field,
Speaker 8: they're not going to be able to win as many
Speaker 8: battles in the trenches. So there're going to be more
Speaker 8: disruptions from the defensive side of the ball because you
Speaker 8: have Matt Farniak and you have too money Doga and
Speaker 8: Idoga is kind of struggling, and then you have a
Speaker 8: rookie fifth round pick and as some Richards who there
Speaker 8: flexing trying to figure things out. So you would expect
Speaker 8: that the defensive veterans on that line would win out
Speaker 8: more and they are so No, they're not where they
Speaker 8: need to be offensively. But even with a disjointed offensive
Speaker 8: line right now, they're still giving some hell to the
Speaker 8: to the defense. So if you're talking potential wise, imagine
Speaker 8: what it looks like when that ol is sorted out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is not a this is in my opinion,
Speaker 6: this has not been a defense dominant training camp. I've
Speaker 6: seen camps where one side of the ball was completely
Speaker 6: dominant over the other. It has not been that. I
Speaker 6: think the defense has shown that they're extremely good, which
Speaker 6: we already knew, but I think the offense has also
Speaker 6: had some days where you're.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, they got after the defense today.
Speaker 6: So that's the beautiful part about it is, and that's
Speaker 6: what you kind of want to see during training camp.
Speaker 6: You want to see kind of this back and forth
Speaker 6: because that means that they're competitive, number one, but number two,
Speaker 6: they are kind of matching one another. You know, you
Speaker 6: have a day where the defense will be able to win,
Speaker 6: and then the offense will come in and say, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're gonna try some different things today, and they try
Speaker 6: some different things and they win, right. So I don't
Speaker 6: think it's been lopsided. I think this has been a
Speaker 6: very competitive training camp. I think the offense has been
Speaker 6: equally good. I think the defense, we know that they're
Speaker 6: going to be exceptional, and my hope is that they
Speaker 6: will take that next step from being a top ten
Speaker 6: defense to being one of the top two or three
Speaker 6: defenses in the league.
Speaker 4: But we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 6: But we certainly are seeing out here that this offense
Speaker 6: is extremely competitive. I think when you match them up
Speaker 6: against this.
Speaker 8: Defense, absolutely, and again I'd love being able to agree
Speaker 8: with that in the same breath as saying the offensive
Speaker 8: line still needs to get figured out, because I just
Speaker 8: keep coming back. It keeps coming back to the same
Speaker 8: point in my head, which is, if they can make
Speaker 8: this many impact plays against this defense, who is, like
Speaker 8: you said, exceptional and you still don't know. I mean,
Speaker 8: there's chemistry still being built between Tyler and Tyron on
Speaker 8: the left side. You're figuring out your right guard situation
Speaker 8: the absence of Zach Martin, and yet you're still being
Speaker 8: able to make plays. So that goes to both the
Speaker 8: play calling, getting the ball out quickly, getting out on screens,
Speaker 8: quick routes speed guys like Cooks and Lamb, but it
Speaker 8: also goes to how hard those.
Speaker 2: Young guys like Matt farnioca fighting. So I love it all.
Speaker 7: Right, you mentioned sorry, I was just gonna say real
Speaker 7: quick with Idoga. He that's the guy you just mentioned too.
Speaker 7: He's a guy that I mean, he's been constantly being
Speaker 7: getting beat. He keeps going up against the guy like
Speaker 7: Micah Parsons and that's an automatic. But I will say
Speaker 7: this last practice, he he showed some fire. He was
Speaker 7: fighting back, and that's good to see. That's something that
Speaker 7: you want to see where you're not seeing a guy
Speaker 7: just that's constantly getting beat and just keeps going down
Speaker 7: the slope. You know, he's the guy that showed up
Speaker 7: and is fighting back and now he's having very few
Speaker 7: moments but somewhat of a slight victory at times, which
Speaker 7: shoot hopefully build his confidence. But you want to see
Speaker 7: that type of progress where now he's making it harder
Speaker 7: on a guy like Michael Parsons to fight and try
Speaker 7: to do to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 6: All right, let's sake, we're gonna get a couple questions
Speaker 6: here before we end the show. We got a question
Speaker 6: here and he didn't. Oh you know it is Mario
Speaker 6: from South Texas. He said, shit, schoonmaker. We were talking
Speaker 6: about him earlier. Be forced to miss time. Do you
Speaker 6: think that helps the chances of Hunter Lepke making the
Speaker 6: opening day roster or with Dallas use that roster spot
Speaker 6: on a different position. He's talking about the full backing
Speaker 6: fullback on the roster.
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
Speaker 8: Thought, I don't know that the two are directly related.
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously they're related as far as the math
Speaker 8: is the math when it comes down when it comes
Speaker 8: to cutting down the roster. But the more you ask
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy about Hunter Lipkey, the more he kind of
Speaker 8: doubles and triples down on special teams, special teams, Special teams.
Speaker 8: And then you go and talk to Bones, and Bones
Speaker 8: is impressed with what Hunter is bringing to the special
Speaker 8: teams front. So from the aspect of Hunter Lipkey, he
Speaker 8: really just has to beat somebody out as a special teamer.
Speaker 8: I think that's gonna be a special teamer versus special
Speaker 8: teamer battle. Luke Schoolmaker. I don't think that the Cowboys
Speaker 8: are going to force anything. They're not going to force
Speaker 8: him onto the field any sooner than he needs to be,
Speaker 8: and they're not going to force him off of the
Speaker 8: field any sooner than needs to happen if they see
Speaker 8: him making some plays and they get super cautious. So
Speaker 8: just let the Schoolmaker thing play out. And I anticipate
Speaker 8: him being available for Week one, but I don't know
Speaker 8: that he'd see equal reps as say Peyton him to
Speaker 8: Shot and Jake Ferguson as TE one t E two
Speaker 8: and then just give you time for that to develop
Speaker 8: over the course of the season. But no, I don't
Speaker 8: think there's a direct correlation between if Schoon is ready
Speaker 8: to go, because I don't think Schoon is going to
Speaker 8: be a reservist starting the season, so he's going to
Speaker 8: get his roster spot in my opinion, and Hunter Lipkey
Speaker 8: just has to beat out another special team or whoever
Speaker 8: that might be.
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Speaker 6: Actually, this is actually an interesting question. I'm interested to
Speaker 6: see how you guys take this. This question comes in
Speaker 6: and says current Cowboys offense less than greater than are
Speaker 6: equal to Amari Zeke and Schultz Era.
Speaker 7: Hmmm, that's an interesting one. Spicy, Yeah, that's interesting. Okay,
Speaker 7: wide receivers. I really like what they got going on
Speaker 7: right now. I think it's better than what it was
Speaker 7: tight End. I'm not ready to say they miss a
Speaker 7: guy like Schultz. I think they're sorting some things out
Speaker 7: and they need to perfect some areas that definitely need work,
Speaker 7: but I think they will be Okay, Zeke, I'm not
Speaker 7: over that yet. I I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 7: but I miss seeing twenty one the White Jersey twenty
Speaker 7: one out here. Why are you making up face, Chris.
Speaker 4: You're just talking about someone breaking up and not breaking
Speaker 4: them back.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got you, Christ. That was more
Speaker 2: of a force out of your contradicting yourself. No, I
Speaker 2: am not. I am not.
Speaker 7: Break up the High five. He was kicked out of here.
Speaker 7: That's like someone that you have a relationship with it
Speaker 7: then gets drafted in the military, has to be taken
Speaker 7: away from you. Well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying
Speaker 7: it wasn't necessarily a Meo chol breakup, I don't think.
Speaker 7: But right back to the point. Back to the point.
Speaker 7: Even though some of these young guys have been showing
Speaker 7: some things, and we keep talking about a guy like
Speaker 7: Chris Vaughan, he has been explosive. They've used him there
Speaker 7: are using him in many, many different ways. Oh my god,
Speaker 7: I mentioned his dad. I'm sorry I talked about his dad.
Speaker 2: Chris looks like he can get out there too, Chris,
Speaker 2: Chris looks like he can get out there too, dad.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Well, I see Chris working out every morning,
Speaker 7: so yes, he was fresh on my mind. But no,
Speaker 7: his son, Duce, he's been doing really, really good job,
Speaker 7: and Tony Pauler has done a good job as well,
Speaker 7: but there's still something for me that is missing that
Speaker 7: is not what Zeke was bringing to the table. And
Speaker 7: you talk back about those short yardage situation. I think
Speaker 7: that's something they're still liking out here. They I don't.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen a guy. And this is kind of
Speaker 7: hard to tell because you're not really fully tackling anybody,
Speaker 7: but you know, as soon as you see a small contact,
Speaker 7: the defense is not gonna go hard or anything. But
Speaker 7: you see that initial content, You're like, Okay, yeah, that
Speaker 7: would have been it. They wouldn't gotten far. So that's
Speaker 7: I would say right now. Overall, I feel like it
Speaker 7: is a little bit better with the exception of not
Speaker 7: having Zeke.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna I'm gonna make it real easy, break it
Speaker 8: down in three parts. The running back room I think
Speaker 8: is a lesser than signed than the one that had
Speaker 8: Zeke in it until firstly, Zeke in his prime until
Speaker 8: further notice, I think the running back room has taken
Speaker 8: a step back. Hopefully they took a step back to
Speaker 8: take steps forward. But we'll get to that when we
Speaker 8: get to that uh tight end room. I'm with Ambar
Speaker 8: on this, I don't think that they'll miss Schultz's production
Speaker 8: nearly as much because of the ability of ferguson hindershot
Speaker 8: and then when Schoolmakers is full fully go and read
Speaker 8: ready to show out. So tight end room, I think
Speaker 8: this tight end room, especially given that it's young and
Speaker 8: it has a longer shelf life, it's greater than the
Speaker 8: tight end room that was led by Dalton shows wide
Speaker 8: receiver group. This is where it gets arguable. Mark Cooper
Speaker 8: easily won of the best route runners in the game.
Speaker 8: He's not a slow guy by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 8: but he's also not Branding Cooks his speed and an
Speaker 8: ability to just teleport from spot to spot. So again,
Speaker 8: on paper, which is all we can go by right now,
Speaker 8: On paper, Cook's his speed and route running ability combination
Speaker 8: of those two plus Lamb plus Gallop. If we assume
Speaker 8: Gallup is back in prime form, which was what was
Speaker 8: present with Cooper and Gallop in that trio, then I'm going,
Speaker 8: on paper say this wide receiver group is a greater
Speaker 8: than sign over that trio.
Speaker 2: So that's two out of three. So my overall answer
Speaker 2: is yes, this group on paper is better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, with all that, the only part I
Speaker 6: think is a question mark is the running back room.
Speaker 6: And really, for the points that you brought up, amber,
Speaker 6: we haven't seen yet their ability to be able to
Speaker 6: convert those short yarded runs. I think in a lot
Speaker 6: of other areas, I think in the passing game they're
Speaker 6: probably better because even though and I remembered back when
Speaker 6: he was drafted, I remember the Cowboys talking, and I
Speaker 6: talked specifically some in the organization who would have known
Speaker 6: and was part of the conversations that was, like, man,
Speaker 6: we really think we're getting some in the passing game
Speaker 6: from Zeke. He's one of the better running back pass
Speaker 6: catching running backs coming out of the draft in a
Speaker 6: very long time. And I don't know that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: ever really realize that. I think I think Pollard is
Speaker 6: a has been at least from the production on the field,
Speaker 6: has been a better option. And even out here you
Speaker 6: see he just has a it's a very natural pass catcher.
Speaker 6: To me, it seems like more of a natural pass
Speaker 6: catcher catcher than Zequil. So I think in a lot
Speaker 6: of areas they may even be better. I still don't
Speaker 6: know what they're going to do on short yardage.
Speaker 4: They may have the right answers.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 6: Going to your body of work, I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 6: So that to me is the is the big question mark,
Speaker 6: and especially Zeke and his prime, Zegan his prime. You're
Speaker 6: giving the ball on third and one. It was almost
Speaker 6: like you just didn't give questionable. Yeah, but but but
Speaker 6: that's what we're comparing. We're comparing his prime to where
Speaker 6: they are now, and I think compared that's the one
Speaker 6: area where I think there are still question was yeah,
Speaker 6: give the ball to Deuce.
Speaker 7: Vaughn and still he still hasn't signed with anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm not sure he's still that anymore. Like
Speaker 4: that's the other part to it. I don't know that
Speaker 4: Zeke is no.
Speaker 7: But I think going back to last year, what we
Speaker 7: saw last year, if you find the right combination, I
Speaker 7: think it's the perfect recipe for the running backs. What
Speaker 7: you do with with Z versus what you do with
Speaker 7: Tony Poller, they both have different set of skills that
Speaker 7: you use him. I think what fans were getting kind
Speaker 7: of annoyed about last year is that you were using Z.
Speaker 7: You were still using Zeke a lot more than Tony
Speaker 7: Poler and people wanted to see more of Poller, But
Speaker 7: I think if you if he was here, you would
Speaker 7: be able to create a better balance to where now
Speaker 7: you're just really utilizing Zeke in what he does best,
Speaker 7: which are those short jartage. I can't get on that.
Speaker 6: But but the tough part to that is is Zeke
Speaker 6: willing to be paid as a guy that's just gonna
Speaker 6: come in on third Shore.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, well you're not talking about money though, and
Speaker 8: that ties into what I keep hearing from Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 8: There's one statement Mike McCarthy said last week when he
Speaker 8: was asked about the Zeke equation, and he said, and
Speaker 8: I quote, it's the reps end quote, it's the reps.
Speaker 2: McCarthy is hell. I know the front office.
Speaker 8: They have the door still open for Ezekiel Elliott until
Speaker 8: the door's closed, ie he signs with another team. But
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy has hell been on getting these young guys
Speaker 8: into these games and seeing that, and then when you
Speaker 8: look at ric o'dowdo for example, I think ric o'dowddo
Speaker 8: has an excellent chance to challenge for RB two. That's
Speaker 8: an opportunity for him. It's an opportunity for Ronald Jones
Speaker 8: to kind of step up. Malik Davis here too. They're
Speaker 8: looking for that jump. You don't find all of this
Speaker 8: stuff out if you're giving the reps to Elliott. So
Speaker 8: that means, to his point, you would have to pay
Speaker 8: Elliott whatever his price might be, because it ain't gonna
Speaker 8: be veteran minimum for him to come in and then
Speaker 8: willfully accept that he might not actually get reps that
Speaker 8: equal RB two. They'd be RB three ish. So that's
Speaker 8: why Mike McCarthy is like, I don't see how that fits.
Speaker 8: McCarthy wants the young guys and he wants to see
Speaker 8: what he has and go from that.
Speaker 7: I get it. My concern is, and I know we're
Speaker 7: about in the show, but what I'm worried about is
Speaker 7: every year we improve in certain areas. Right, every year
Speaker 7: you're like, Okay, I feel better about this, I feel
Speaker 7: better about that, and then we get into it and
Speaker 7: then you're realizing your weak spots. This year, yes, but
Speaker 7: this year, this year, I think the wide receiver group
Speaker 7: took such a big step forward compared to last year.
Speaker 7: Running back, I don't feel the same way as of
Speaker 7: right now. I hope I'm absolutely wrong, But I just
Speaker 7: I don't want to see it where Okay, we thought
Speaker 7: we were all in this year and this is gonna
Speaker 7: be the year, and the defense is looking amazing. We
Speaker 7: were able to keep so many parts of the defense
Speaker 7: and Dan Quinn and all of that, and then you
Speaker 7: get into the season and you can't freaking run the
Speaker 7: ball or convert in certain areas because again that I'm
Speaker 7: not talking down about on these these running back to
Speaker 7: be able to run poler is fast and some of
Speaker 7: these guys have been doing a really really good job here,
Speaker 7: I can't. But is it gonna be enough? I don't know.
Speaker 7: And that's an area that I'm currently concerned about going
Speaker 7: into this.
Speaker 8: You know, like I said, on paper, they took a
Speaker 8: step back in the running back room. But hopefully the
Speaker 8: step they've taken back ends up in two steps forward.
Speaker 8: But we won't know about that potentially being two steps
Speaker 8: forward until we get November, December, January especially.
Speaker 6: And I would also real quick for you in the show,
Speaker 6: what else I'd like to see maybe to help that
Speaker 6: is same way Philadelphia did last with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4: You get the third and one line up and let
Speaker 4: your quarterback run the.
Speaker 2: He's not a small dude. He can do this.
Speaker 6: And so in the same way Philadelphia did and became
Speaker 6: routine for Philadelphia, Like everybody in the STADIU knew exactly
Speaker 6: what they were gonna do, and they converted.
Speaker 4: The vast majority of the.
Speaker 8: Time, it's the copycat least. So push him, give back
Speaker 8: the ball and get behind him and they can do
Speaker 8: it way.
Speaker 4: To do it exactly. I appreciate you guys. So we'll
Speaker 4: be back on Wednesday.
Speaker 6: It'll be our final show of this week because Friday
Speaker 6: will be traveling back to Dallas because Saturday.
Speaker 4: We'll get to kick this thing off.
Speaker 6: Cowboys will take on the Jacksonville Jaguars. So then for
Speaker 6: Patrick Walker On Ambergar Sie, I'm Derek Eagletson. This has
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