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Speaker 2: Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 5: We were with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker

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Speaker 6: It is Monday, August seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,

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Speaker 6: episode number fifteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 6: We're life Moxnard, California. Man, we're rounding this thing out.

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Speaker 6: We've been here two weeks. We got about two more

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Speaker 6: weeks left, although we do get a slight respite. We

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Speaker 6: get to go home for about it's not even a

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Speaker 6: full twenty four hours. We'll be at home for the

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Speaker 6: upcoming preseason game of Cowboys to kick it off this

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Speaker 6: weekend against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 4: Come back out for a final week, head out to

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Speaker 4: Seattle for a game.

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Speaker 6: Then we'll be back and then we'll be heading into

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Speaker 6: the season two weeks later. So it's coming quick. It's

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Speaker 6: coming really quick. It's almost it is so what we're

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Speaker 6: gonna do today. Brian's out with us today. He's actually

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Speaker 6: back in Dallas at this point, So it's up to

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Speaker 6: us to hold it down, or at least up to

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Speaker 6: the three of us to hold it down for the

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Speaker 6: next week. And then when we go to Dallas, we're

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Speaker 6: gonna actually leave Amber. She's like not coming back. She's

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Speaker 6: not coming back.

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Speaker 7: She's not dropping me off in Dallas.

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Speaker 6: That final week is gonna be me and Patrick and Uh.

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Speaker 6: I think we might actually have a little special guests

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Speaker 6: for everybody that final week. Yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 6: Amber likes that idea, but we're going to see how

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Speaker 6: it goes well.

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Speaker 2: She's really relaxed right now for her massage. I don't

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Speaker 2: think she cares.

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Speaker 4: That's true, right, she's feeling.

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Speaker 2: She's on her wave right now.

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Speaker 7: I just think once you part of ways with somebody,

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Speaker 7: you shouldn't necessarily go back to that. There is a

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Speaker 7: period where you just stay away from each other and

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Speaker 7: then maybe down the road you might reconnect. But this

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Speaker 7: is too soon. But hey, I'm not having a relationship.

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Speaker 2: Relationship advice from new Garcia, all right, So here's what

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do today.

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Speaker 6: We got a lot to catch up on Cowboys have

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Speaker 6: their blue white practice.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't really a scrimmage. It used to be a scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a scrimmage. It as a practice.

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Speaker 6: But have the practice Saturday, and we had some some

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Speaker 6: notes from that. I want to hear from you guys

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Speaker 6: on some of the things you saw, some interesting notes

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Speaker 6: of players in moments. We'll definitely get into that mojo moment.

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Speaker 6: That's something worth discussing. And then what we're gonna do

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Speaker 6: is we're gonna round out our We started this conversation

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Speaker 6: We have a few more positions on the offense and

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Speaker 4: Kind of line out the top.

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Speaker 6: Four or five six players at that position, so the

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Speaker 6: we know that, but what does your depth look like?

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Speaker 6: Who are the guys that are your depth pieces, your third, fourth,

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Speaker 6: let's start first with uh Patri, Let's get some injury updates.

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Speaker 6: A couple guys, Ronald Jones, Luke Schoonmaker. What are we

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Speaker 2: The severity of that is unknown at the moment.

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Speaker 8: We'll get more information from Mike McCarthy today as far

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Speaker 8: as if Rojo is going to practice. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 8: We'll see other Cowboys handle that. Luke Schoomaker bittersweet news

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Speaker 8: The expectation initially was that Schoon would be on the

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Speaker 6: How much do you guys think this injury to Schoonmaker

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Speaker 6: one of the positions that I look at and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: How much is this setting the rookie back.

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Speaker 7: I mean, for a rookie, you never want to miss

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Speaker 7: Those are things that you're I mean, it's a big

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Speaker 8: Well for my stance when it comes to schoolmaker Amber

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Speaker 8: So when he comes back, let's say it takes two

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Speaker 8: if not all, a training camp before he's back at

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Speaker 8: So it made to your point, Derek, we may not

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Speaker 7: And what's song from my understanding from this type of

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Speaker 7: You know, you don't go and get a surgery and

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Speaker 6: I mean painful injuries that takes your while to get past,

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Speaker 4: Like the pain is the pain. You're just gonna be pain.

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Speaker 8: And it's also a weird injury in that if you've

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Speaker 8: weird injury because you would rather it just and then

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Speaker 8: kind of factoring into win school Maker can or cannot

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Speaker 8: come back. But again McCarthy said, the expectation now is

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Speaker 8: I'm seeing a report that he will in fact come

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Speaker 8: then yes, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get our

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Speaker 8: first look at second round pick former Wolverine Luke Schoolmaker

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Speaker 8: in today's practice.

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Speaker 6: And what we have to know is like that also

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Speaker 6: the most important thing, I guess I shouldn't say the

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Speaker 6: most important thing, but the thing that I want to

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Speaker 6: see most from him, as you mentioned, Namber, is the

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Speaker 6: ability to block, because that's where I feel like they

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Speaker 6: had some room. I think they got a lot of

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Speaker 7: You've seen the blocking not be there at times.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that's what he did at Michigan.

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Speaker 6: They feel like they can get more out of him

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Speaker 6: end of the day, if he's a great blocking tight end.

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Speaker 8: That's valuable for the Dallas coultl He's very solid on

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Speaker 8: his film for Michigan as a blocker. I believe, like

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Speaker 6: That day on Saturday, Mojo moment was built around Basically,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that the tough part is kicker is one

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Speaker 4: Gonna be booming fifty two to fifty three yarders regularly.

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Speaker 6: That's not gonna be what you had, Like last year,

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Speaker 8: line minimum, right, You better convert on second and third

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Speaker 8: down to avoid fourth down and avoid needing your kicker

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Speaker 8: to come in and save the day or save the drive.

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Speaker 8: If you remove that crutch, it will probably and likely

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Speaker 8: add that much more motivation and push for McCarthy and

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Speaker 8: schottenheim Er and Dak and the skilled players to say, hey,

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Speaker 8: we have to get this. Why you call the players, Yes,

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Speaker 8: we have to get this next conversion. We have to

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Speaker 8: get across it because we know, respectfully that this particular kicker,

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Speaker 8: be it in their mid thirties, be it Crosby, goul

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Speaker 8: whoever they bring in, we know they can't give us

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Speaker 8: a fifty five yard We got to get in their range.

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Speaker 8: So that makes the offense more aggressive just by default.

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Speaker 8: I love that thought process.

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Speaker 6: Do you guys prefer a guy like a Maher that

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Speaker 6: you know has the leg to kick those fifty two

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Speaker 6: fifty three, fifty four yards maybe even deeper than that

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Speaker 6: if you needed him to. He's just a little bit

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Speaker 6: inconsistent as he was last year on the on the

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Speaker 6: extra points. What do you prefer that or the guy

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Speaker 6: that you feel more certain that he's gonna kick that

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Speaker 6: forty yard in forty two yard in, and you really

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Speaker 6: don't have much of a shot once you get into

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Speaker 6: that fifty plus range.

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Speaker 7: I think it comes down back to Patrick's point. How

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Speaker 7: confident are you about your offense? How confident are you

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Speaker 7: that you're gonna just drive it down the field and

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Speaker 7: get closer to the end zone. And I just think

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Speaker 7: that's that's a tough question there, because you need both.

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Speaker 7: You need you gotta make you gotta make those extra

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Speaker 7: points and you gotta be able to hopefully get in

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Speaker 7: there if you're far enough. Give me freaking both. Is

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Speaker 7: that too much to us in today's.

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Like nowadays it's too much to ask,

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Speaker 6: And definitely at this time of the year, it's too

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Speaker 6: much to ask for the cowboys, Like, there's not that

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Speaker 6: guy's not sitting on the street. If he was that guy,

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Speaker 6: he wouldn't be sitting on the street, right, that's fectual.

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Speaker 7: I mean three points is worth more than one. So

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Speaker 7: if you're.

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Speaker 6: So now you're okay with the guy that misses the

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Speaker 6: extra point.

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Speaker 8: Perfect segue to what I was about. I'm going to completely.

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Speaker 8: Please the analytics crowd out there right now, and I'm

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Speaker 8: going to say the hell with that extra point. Go

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Speaker 8: for two, okay, because the numbers bear out that you

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Speaker 8: have a great shot of getting that two point conversion.

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Speaker 2: So don't worry about worry about the extra I can

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Speaker 2: get a fifty something.

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Speaker 8: Fifty something yarder because inevitably, like to the point of

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Speaker 8: you don't want to have that crutch for the offense.

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Speaker 8: So that point still stands. But inevitably in the NFL game,

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Speaker 8: there will come a point where your kicker will have

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Speaker 8: to win the game for you on a three point

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Speaker 8: field goal. I need that to be more solid than yourself. No,

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Speaker 8: I said, no, you're not hearing it. Because there's an inevitability.

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Speaker 8: Two things can be true at the same time. I

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Speaker 8: want the crutch removed, period. I want the crutch removed.

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Speaker 8: But we also have to understand that at a certain

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Speaker 8: point you're going to need your kicker to win the game.

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Speaker 8: But now that ties back into the offense because let's

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Speaker 8: say it's a game winning drive, right, you gotta go

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Speaker 8: ninety eight yards if you don't have Now here's the inevitability.

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Speaker 2: You're sitting here your face.

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Speaker 8: With third down or whatever on the opponent's forty five

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Speaker 8: yard line. Right to Derek's point, it's going to force

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Speaker 8: your play calling to be different from the first play

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Speaker 8: of that drive because you know that this might end

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Speaker 8: up being one of those inevitable situations where now we

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Speaker 8: might need a field goal kicker to save us, but

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Speaker 8: we can't have it at fifty five yards out.

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Speaker 2: We can't have it at fifty yards out. So you know, going.

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Speaker 8: Into that drive, we gotta get chunk plays. We can't

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Speaker 8: come out on the first play of screw imagine and

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Speaker 8: run up the a gap. No, no, no, you gotta

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Speaker 8: deep inside, deep outside, get some spacing. So it is

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Speaker 8: an inevitability. But it's also true that it changes your

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Speaker 8: approach if you don't have that kicker. But to answer

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Speaker 8: the question succinctly, if you gotta choose between one or

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Speaker 8: the other, I don't care about the extra point because

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Speaker 8: with this offense and this you know, these skilled players,

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Speaker 8: you should be able to get two points far more

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Speaker 8: often than not.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm just visualizing all of it. I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 7: we don't have Zeke anymore? Can this in those situations?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you gotta die whose still can run I'm

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Speaker 7: talking about that scenario trying to convert and what that

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Speaker 7: looks like, and what the offensive line currently looks like.

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Speaker 7: Hopefully it's improved by the start of the season, but

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Speaker 7: I guess some they just hopefully they just find a

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Speaker 7: kicker that can kick.

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Speaker 6: You bring up an interesting point there you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: I think what you're getting at is kind.

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Speaker 4: Of short yardage, third and two, third and one. How

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Speaker 4: are they gonna pick those up?

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Speaker 6: I actually expect, and I don't know that this is true,

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Speaker 6: but I expect that we will see on some of

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Speaker 6: those short yarded situations, we're gonna actually see them throw

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Speaker 6: the ball a little bit more this year. This is

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Speaker 6: the kind of offense that's predicated on quick passes to

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Speaker 6: get the ball out.

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Speaker 4: I could see some three step drops.

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Speaker 7: I've seen that already here at training camera. Yeah, than run.

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Speaker 4: I think I think three step drop, get the ball

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Speaker 4: out quick. You got these quick routes with your receivers. Uh,

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Speaker 4: You've got quick routes with your with your tight ends.

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Speaker 6: You got quick out routes with your I mean flare

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Speaker 6: routes with your your running backs. I think there are

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Speaker 6: ways that you will see this offense be a little

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Speaker 6: more multi dimensional, uh, in how it approaches short yardage.

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Speaker 6: It won't just be either line up and let the

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Speaker 6: quarterback just run up the gut or hand it off

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Speaker 6: to the running back and have him run up the gut.

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Speaker 6: I think you're going to see a lot more opportunities

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Speaker 6: those short yard situations and then to convert in that way.

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Speaker 6: These guys on some of the things that they saw

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Christy, and we are Uh.

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Speaker 6: Let's let's get some opinions from you guys Saturday that

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Speaker 6: the Blue White practice. I want to hear from you guys,

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Speaker 4: Let's start with you Amber, what do you have what

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Speaker 7: Well? I think overall, I love how this defense is

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Speaker 7: a guy like Trevon Diggs and that he is on

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Speaker 7: so much the difference. And one of the things I've

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Speaker 7: his hands on the ball. There have been so many

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Speaker 7: different plays in situations where he gets so close, so close,

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Speaker 7: take it to the next level. But overall he's just

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, And speaking of that, secondary, I mean, and

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Speaker 8: now looking at the depth, the depth is starting to

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Speaker 8: one year Thomas he stood out to me again in

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Speaker 8: the Blue White practice.

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go with Michael Gallup here. I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we've been seeing a lot of work, a

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Speaker 8: is and has been, what does Gallup look like? How

656
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Speaker 8: is he coming along? We're hearing a lot about Cooks

657
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 8: and Lamb, but what about you know, the third guy.

658
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Speaker 8: Michael Gallup had a fantastic day on Saturday. He looked springy,

659
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Speaker 8: He was in and out of his cuts, he was crisp,

660
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 8: he was one handed catching the ball in traffic. He

661
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 8: looked fluid on the cross routes, on the quick slam,

662
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 8: Michael Gallup looked phenomenal. So for me as much as

663
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Speaker 8: many other players stood out one year, Thomas Jabill, Cox,

664
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Speaker 8: Dumont Clark, he's really starting to kind of give me

665
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 8: the wide eyes, like, whoa, I'm ready for that.

666
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Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. He really showed up on Saturday.

667
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Speaker 8: And that's that's the Michael Gallup that I want to

668
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Speaker 8: see that the Cowboys need to see coming into twenty

669
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Speaker 8: twenty three.

670
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Speaker 6: When you look at this this this overall offense, where

671
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Speaker 6: are they right now as far as where you would

672
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Speaker 6: where you would have expected them to be? And you

673
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 6: mentioned the receivers, but just overall how they're looking. The

674
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 6: defense obviously looks great.

675
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Speaker 4: We knew they would look great.

676
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Speaker 6: But offensively, do you get the sense that they're right

677
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 6: where they should be? Do you think they're a little

678
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 6: bit behind? You think they're ahead of where you would

679
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 6: have expected them to be at this point.

680
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Speaker 7: Well, going to the most recent practice, the red zone drills,

681
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 7: that was not good. That was not good at all.

682
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Speaker 7: I don't know what you're about to be overall, and

683
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 7: the defense, oh my god, I can flip in the

684
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 7: offense in general, as far as training camp has been,

685
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Speaker 7: I think they've been doing a pretty nice job. There

686
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 7: have been areas where yes, you need to perfect and

687
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 7: work on, but Dak to me has looked really really

688
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 7: good overall in training camp. But going to the most

689
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 7: recent one, that red zone drill, I was standing right there,

690
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 7: I'm just like, oh my god, nope, miss miss, miss

691
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 7: miss and everything. It was on the defensive side where

692
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 7: they were just winning every single play. So that was

693
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Speaker 7: an era where I'm like, Okay, this may be something

694
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 7: that they need to work on. And most of these

695
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 7: came just passing the ball. It wasn't necessarily running on

696
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 7: the ground. But that's the point where, yeah, you don't

697
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 7: want to see those types of things or daks throwing

698
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 7: the ball that way at times.

699
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Speaker 2: And you're not wrong.

700
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Speaker 8: The offense absolutely struggled in their rid zone drill. But

701
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Speaker 8: the day that, the practice before they had the practice

702
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Speaker 8: before they were surgical. Yeah five touchdowns between five right, yeah,

703
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 8: five five five for five. So my point was you're

704
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 8: not wrong in that the offense struggled. My point was

705
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: contextual in that the offense had such a phenomenal day

706
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 8: against an elite defensive secondary that you could tell the

707
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 8: defensive secondary went back into the lab and said, that's

708
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 8: not going to happen again. So then that very next

709
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 8: padded practice, Dak in that offense looked very disjointed in

710
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 8: that red zone. So credit to McCarthy, Schottenheimer, Dak and

711
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 8: his players for going five for five and basically just

712
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 8: eviscerating the defense on that particular padd of practice last week.

713
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 8: But then kudos to McCarthy and Wit and Deron Bland

714
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 8: and Treyvon Diggs for coming back out and saying, I.

715
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Speaker 7: Bet you can, I bet you can't.

716
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: They basically looked at Dick and said, I bet you

717
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: can't do it again. And so now I'm interested this

718
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: back and forth between an elite defense and an offense

719
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: that's trying to regain its elite status. That's what you

720
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Speaker 2: want to see now.

721
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Speaker 8: If the if it was a consistent struggle for the

722
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 8: offense in the red zone day after day after day,

723
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Speaker 8: yes you could still give roses to the defense, but

724
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 8: the concern would be rightful on the offensive side of

725
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 8: the ball. They're trading blows right now. As long as

726
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 8: they keep trading blows, I'm completely fine with it.

727
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: But to your question, Derek.

728
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Speaker 8: I don't feel like they are where they are going

729
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 8: to end up being, And a large part of that

730
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 8: is because the offensive line is still being sorted out.

731
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 8: So until the offensive line is sorted out and Zach

732
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 8: Martin is back in the building, back on the field,

733
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Speaker 8: they're not going to be able to win as many

734
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 8: battles in the trenches. So there're going to be more

735
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 8: disruptions from the defensive side of the ball because you

736
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 8: have Matt Farniak and you have too money Doga and

737
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 8: Idoga is kind of struggling, and then you have a

738
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 8: rookie fifth round pick and as some Richards who there

739
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 8: flexing trying to figure things out. So you would expect

740
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 8: that the defensive veterans on that line would win out

741
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 8: more and they are so No, they're not where they

742
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 8: need to be offensively. But even with a disjointed offensive

743
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 8: line right now, they're still giving some hell to the

744
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 8: to the defense. So if you're talking potential wise, imagine

745
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 8: what it looks like when that ol is sorted out.

746
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is not a this is in my opinion,

747
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 6: this has not been a defense dominant training camp. I've

748
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 6: seen camps where one side of the ball was completely

749
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 6: dominant over the other. It has not been that. I

750
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 6: think the defense has shown that they're extremely good, which

751
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 6: we already knew, but I think the offense has also

752
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 6: had some days where you're.

753
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 4: Like, oh, they got after the defense today.

754
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Speaker 6: So that's the beautiful part about it is, and that's

755
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 6: what you kind of want to see during training camp.

756
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 6: You want to see kind of this back and forth

757
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: because that means that they're competitive, number one, but number two,

758
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 6: they are kind of matching one another. You know, you

759
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 6: have a day where the defense will be able to win,

760
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 6: and then the offense will come in and say, Okay,

761
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: we're gonna try some different things today, and they try

762
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 6: some different things and they win, right. So I don't

763
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 6: think it's been lopsided. I think this has been a

764
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 6: very competitive training camp. I think the offense has been

765
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Speaker 6: equally good. I think the defense, we know that they're

766
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 6: going to be exceptional, and my hope is that they

767
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 6: will take that next step from being a top ten

768
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Speaker 6: defense to being one of the top two or three

769
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Speaker 6: defenses in the league.

770
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Speaker 4: But we'll see how that goes.

771
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Speaker 6: But we certainly are seeing out here that this offense

772
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Speaker 6: is extremely competitive. I think when you match them up

773
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Speaker 6: against this.

774
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Speaker 8: Defense, absolutely, and again I'd love being able to agree

775
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 8: with that in the same breath as saying the offensive

776
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 8: line still needs to get figured out, because I just

777
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 8: keep coming back. It keeps coming back to the same

778
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 8: point in my head, which is, if they can make

779
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 8: this many impact plays against this defense, who is, like

780
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 8: you said, exceptional and you still don't know. I mean,

781
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 8: there's chemistry still being built between Tyler and Tyron on

782
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 8: the left side. You're figuring out your right guard situation

783
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 8: the absence of Zach Martin, and yet you're still being

784
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 8: able to make plays. So that goes to both the

785
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 8: play calling, getting the ball out quickly, getting out on screens,

786
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 8: quick routes speed guys like Cooks and Lamb, but it

787
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 8: also goes to how hard those.

788
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Speaker 2: Young guys like Matt farnioca fighting. So I love it all.

789
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 7: Right, you mentioned sorry, I was just gonna say real

790
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 7: quick with Idoga. He that's the guy you just mentioned too.

791
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 7: He's a guy that I mean, he's been constantly being

792
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 7: getting beat. He keeps going up against the guy like

793
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 7: Micah Parsons and that's an automatic. But I will say

794
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 7: this last practice, he he showed some fire. He was

795
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 7: fighting back, and that's good to see. That's something that

796
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 7: you want to see where you're not seeing a guy

797
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 7: just that's constantly getting beat and just keeps going down

798
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 7: the slope. You know, he's the guy that showed up

799
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 7: and is fighting back and now he's having very few

800
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 7: moments but somewhat of a slight victory at times, which

801
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 7: shoot hopefully build his confidence. But you want to see

802
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 7: that type of progress where now he's making it harder

803
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 7: on a guy like Michael Parsons to fight and try

804
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 7: to do to get to the quarterback.

805
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 6: All right, let's sake, we're gonna get a couple questions

806
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 6: here before we end the show. We got a question

807
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 6: here and he didn't. Oh you know it is Mario

808
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 6: from South Texas. He said, shit, schoonmaker. We were talking

809
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: about him earlier. Be forced to miss time. Do you

810
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 6: think that helps the chances of Hunter Lepke making the

811
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 6: opening day roster or with Dallas use that roster spot

812
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 6: on a different position. He's talking about the full backing

813
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 6: fullback on the roster.

814
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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

815
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Speaker 8: Thought, I don't know that the two are directly related.

816
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously they're related as far as the math

817
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 8: is the math when it comes down when it comes

818
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 8: to cutting down the roster. But the more you ask

819
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy about Hunter Lipkey, the more he kind of

820
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 8: doubles and triples down on special teams, special teams, Special teams.

821
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 8: And then you go and talk to Bones, and Bones

822
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 8: is impressed with what Hunter is bringing to the special

823
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 8: teams front. So from the aspect of Hunter Lipkey, he

824
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 8: really just has to beat somebody out as a special teamer.

825
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 8: I think that's gonna be a special teamer versus special

826
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 8: teamer battle. Luke Schoolmaker. I don't think that the Cowboys

827
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 8: are going to force anything. They're not going to force

828
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 8: him onto the field any sooner than he needs to be,

829
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 8: and they're not going to force him off of the

830
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 8: field any sooner than needs to happen if they see

831
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 8: him making some plays and they get super cautious. So

832
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 8: just let the Schoolmaker thing play out. And I anticipate

833
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 8: him being available for Week one, but I don't know

834
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 8: that he'd see equal reps as say Peyton him to

835
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 8: Shot and Jake Ferguson as TE one t E two

836
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 8: and then just give you time for that to develop

837
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 8: over the course of the season. But no, I don't

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 8: think there's a direct correlation between if Schoon is ready

839
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 8: to go, because I don't think Schoon is going to

840
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 8: be a reservist starting the season, so he's going to

841
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 8: get his roster spot in my opinion, and Hunter Lipkey

842
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 8: just has to beat out another special team or whoever

843
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 8: that might be.

844
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Speaker 2: Retweet repost.

845
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Speaker 6: Actually, this is actually an interesting question. I'm interested to

846
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 6: see how you guys take this. This question comes in

847
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 6: and says current Cowboys offense less than greater than are

848
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: equal to Amari Zeke and Schultz Era.

849
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Speaker 7: Hmmm, that's an interesting one. Spicy, Yeah, that's interesting. Okay,

850
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: wide receivers. I really like what they got going on

851
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 7: right now. I think it's better than what it was

852
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 7: tight End. I'm not ready to say they miss a

853
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 7: guy like Schultz. I think they're sorting some things out

854
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 7: and they need to perfect some areas that definitely need work,

855
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 7: but I think they will be Okay, Zeke, I'm not

856
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 7: over that yet. I I don't know about you guys,

857
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 7: but I miss seeing twenty one the White Jersey twenty

858
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 7: one out here. Why are you making up face, Chris.

859
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: You're just talking about someone breaking up and not breaking

860
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Speaker 4: them back.

861
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got you, Christ. That was more

862
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: of a force out of your contradicting yourself. No, I

863
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: am not. I am not.

864
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 7: Break up the High five. He was kicked out of here.

865
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 7: That's like someone that you have a relationship with it

866
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Speaker 7: then gets drafted in the military, has to be taken

867
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 7: away from you. Well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying

868
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 7: it wasn't necessarily a Meo chol breakup, I don't think.

869
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: But right back to the point. Back to the point.

870
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Speaker 7: Even though some of these young guys have been showing

871
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 7: some things, and we keep talking about a guy like

872
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 7: Chris Vaughan, he has been explosive. They've used him there

873
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 7: are using him in many, many different ways. Oh my god,

874
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 7: I mentioned his dad. I'm sorry I talked about his dad.

875
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Chris looks like he can get out there too, Chris,

876
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: Chris looks like he can get out there too, dad.

877
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Well, I see Chris working out every morning,

878
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 7: so yes, he was fresh on my mind. But no,

879
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 7: his son, Duce, he's been doing really, really good job,

880
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 7: and Tony Pauler has done a good job as well,

881
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 7: but there's still something for me that is missing that

882
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 7: is not what Zeke was bringing to the table. And

883
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 7: you talk back about those short yardage situation. I think

884
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 7: that's something they're still liking out here. They I don't.

885
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 7: I haven't seen a guy. And this is kind of

886
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 7: hard to tell because you're not really fully tackling anybody,

887
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 7: but you know, as soon as you see a small contact,

888
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 7: the defense is not gonna go hard or anything. But

889
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 7: you see that initial content, You're like, Okay, yeah, that

890
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 7: would have been it. They wouldn't gotten far. So that's

891
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 7: I would say right now. Overall, I feel like it

892
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 7: is a little bit better with the exception of not

893
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 7: having Zeke.

894
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 8: I'm gonna I'm gonna make it real easy, break it

895
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 8: down in three parts. The running back room I think

896
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 8: is a lesser than signed than the one that had

897
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 8: Zeke in it until firstly, Zeke in his prime until

898
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 8: further notice, I think the running back room has taken

899
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 8: a step back. Hopefully they took a step back to

900
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 8: take steps forward. But we'll get to that when we

901
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 8: get to that uh tight end room. I'm with Ambar

902
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 8: on this, I don't think that they'll miss Schultz's production

903
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 8: nearly as much because of the ability of ferguson hindershot

904
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 8: and then when Schoolmakers is full fully go and read

905
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 8: ready to show out. So tight end room, I think

906
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 8: this tight end room, especially given that it's young and

907
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 8: it has a longer shelf life, it's greater than the

908
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 8: tight end room that was led by Dalton shows wide

909
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 8: receiver group. This is where it gets arguable. Mark Cooper

910
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 8: easily won of the best route runners in the game.

911
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 8: He's not a slow guy by any stretch of the imagination,

912
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 8: but he's also not Branding Cooks his speed and an

913
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 8: ability to just teleport from spot to spot. So again,

914
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 8: on paper, which is all we can go by right now,

915
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 8: On paper, Cook's his speed and route running ability combination

916
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 8: of those two plus Lamb plus Gallop. If we assume

917
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 8: Gallup is back in prime form, which was what was

918
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 8: present with Cooper and Gallop in that trio, then I'm going,

919
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 8: on paper say this wide receiver group is a greater

920
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 8: than sign over that trio.

921
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: So that's two out of three. So my overall answer

922
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: is yes, this group on paper is better.

923
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, with all that, the only part I

924
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 6: think is a question mark is the running back room.

925
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: And really, for the points that you brought up, amber,

926
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 6: we haven't seen yet their ability to be able to

927
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 6: convert those short yarded runs. I think in a lot

928
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 6: of other areas, I think in the passing game they're

929
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 6: probably better because even though and I remembered back when

930
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 6: he was drafted, I remember the Cowboys talking, and I

931
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 6: talked specifically some in the organization who would have known

932
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 6: and was part of the conversations that was, like, man,

933
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 6: we really think we're getting some in the passing game

934
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 6: from Zeke. He's one of the better running back pass

935
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: catching running backs coming out of the draft in a

936
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 6: very long time. And I don't know that the Cowboys

937
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 6: ever really realize that. I think I think Pollard is

938
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 6: a has been at least from the production on the field,

939
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 6: has been a better option. And even out here you

940
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 6: see he just has a it's a very natural pass catcher.

941
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 6: To me, it seems like more of a natural pass

942
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 6: catcher catcher than Zequil. So I think in a lot

943
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 6: of areas they may even be better. I still don't

944
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 6: know what they're going to do on short yardage.

945
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: They may have the right answers.

946
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Who knows.

947
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.

948
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 6: Going to your body of work, I haven't seen that yet.

949
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 6: So that to me is the is the big question mark,

950
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 6: and especially Zeke and his prime, Zegan his prime. You're

951
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 6: giving the ball on third and one. It was almost

952
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: like you just didn't give questionable. Yeah, but but but

953
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 6: that's what we're comparing. We're comparing his prime to where

954
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 6: they are now, and I think compared that's the one

955
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 6: area where I think there are still question was yeah,

956
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: give the ball to Deuce.

957
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 7: Vaughn and still he still hasn't signed with anybody.

958
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm not sure he's still that anymore. Like

959
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: that's the other part to it. I don't know that

960
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: Zeke is no.

961
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 7: But I think going back to last year, what we

962
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 7: saw last year, if you find the right combination, I

963
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 7: think it's the perfect recipe for the running backs. What

964
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: you do with with Z versus what you do with

965
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 7: Tony Poller, they both have different set of skills that

966
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 7: you use him. I think what fans were getting kind

967
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 7: of annoyed about last year is that you were using Z.

968
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 7: You were still using Zeke a lot more than Tony

969
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 7: Poler and people wanted to see more of Poller, But

970
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 7: I think if you if he was here, you would

971
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 7: be able to create a better balance to where now

972
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 7: you're just really utilizing Zeke in what he does best,

973
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 7: which are those short jartage. I can't get on that.

974
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 6: But but the tough part to that is is Zeke

975
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 6: willing to be paid as a guy that's just gonna

976
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 6: come in on third Shore.

977
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 8: Well yeah, well you're not talking about money though, and

978
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 8: that ties into what I keep hearing from Mike McCarthy.

979
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 8: There's one statement Mike McCarthy said last week when he

980
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 8: was asked about the Zeke equation, and he said, and

981
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 8: I quote, it's the reps end quote, it's the reps.

982
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: McCarthy is hell. I know the front office.

983
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 8: They have the door still open for Ezekiel Elliott until

984
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 8: the door's closed, ie he signs with another team. But

985
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy has hell been on getting these young guys

986
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 8: into these games and seeing that, and then when you

987
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 8: look at ric o'dowdo for example, I think ric o'dowddo

988
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 8: has an excellent chance to challenge for RB two. That's

989
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 8: an opportunity for him. It's an opportunity for Ronald Jones

990
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 8: to kind of step up. Malik Davis here too. They're

991
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 8: looking for that jump. You don't find all of this

992
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 8: stuff out if you're giving the reps to Elliott. So

993
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 8: that means, to his point, you would have to pay

994
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 8: Elliott whatever his price might be, because it ain't gonna

995
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 8: be veteran minimum for him to come in and then

996
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 8: willfully accept that he might not actually get reps that

997
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 8: equal RB two. They'd be RB three ish. So that's

998
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 8: why Mike McCarthy is like, I don't see how that fits.

999
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 8: McCarthy wants the young guys and he wants to see

1000
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 8: what he has and go from that.

1001
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 7: I get it. My concern is, and I know we're

1002
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 7: about in the show, but what I'm worried about is

1003
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 7: every year we improve in certain areas. Right, every year

1004
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 7: you're like, Okay, I feel better about this, I feel

1005
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 7: better about that, and then we get into it and

1006
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 7: then you're realizing your weak spots. This year, yes, but

1007
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 7: this year, this year, I think the wide receiver group

1008
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 7: took such a big step forward compared to last year.

1009
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 7: Running back, I don't feel the same way as of

1010
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 7: right now. I hope I'm absolutely wrong, But I just

1011
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 7: I don't want to see it where Okay, we thought

1012
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 7: we were all in this year and this is gonna

1013
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 7: be the year, and the defense is looking amazing. We

1014
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 7: were able to keep so many parts of the defense

1015
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 7: and Dan Quinn and all of that, and then you

1016
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 7: get into the season and you can't freaking run the

1017
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 7: ball or convert in certain areas because again that I'm

1018
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: not talking down about on these these running back to

1019
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 7: be able to run poler is fast and some of

1020
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 7: these guys have been doing a really really good job here,

1021
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 7: I can't. But is it gonna be enough? I don't know.

1022
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 7: And that's an area that I'm currently concerned about going

1023
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 7: into this.

1024
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 8: You know, like I said, on paper, they took a

1025
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 8: step back in the running back room. But hopefully the

1026
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 8: step they've taken back ends up in two steps forward.

1027
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 8: But we won't know about that potentially being two steps

1028
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 8: forward until we get November, December, January especially.

1029
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 6: And I would also real quick for you in the show,

1030
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 6: what else I'd like to see maybe to help that

1031
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 6: is same way Philadelphia did last with Jalen Hurts.

1032
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: You get the third and one line up and let

1033
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: your quarterback run the.

1034
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: He's not a small dude. He can do this.

1035
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 6: And so in the same way Philadelphia did and became

1036
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 6: routine for Philadelphia, Like everybody in the STADIU knew exactly

1037
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 6: what they were gonna do, and they converted.

1038
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: The vast majority of the.

1039
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 8: Time, it's the copycat least. So push him, give back

1040
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 8: the ball and get behind him and they can do

1041
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 8: it way.

1042
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 4: To do it exactly. I appreciate you guys. So we'll

1043
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: be back on Wednesday.

1044
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 6: It'll be our final show of this week because Friday

1045
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 6: will be traveling back to Dallas because Saturday.

1046
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: We'll get to kick this thing off.

1047
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 6: Cowboys will take on the Jacksonville Jaguars. So then for

1048
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 6: Patrick Walker On Ambergar Sie, I'm Derek Eagletson. This has

1049
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 6: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

1050
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,160
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1051
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,160
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