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Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Chris Harry with you on a new

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Speaker 1: episode of Chargers Weekly. Coming up, Rick Sarahtella of NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft Bible gonna join me. He joins me every year

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Speaker 1: around this time a year, January February, after Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Justin Herbert what he saw last

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Speaker 1: year during the draft process versus what happened in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: We're also gonna take a look at number thirteen overall

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Speaker 1: and potential options for the Chargers in the first round.

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Speaker 1: But first, the Athletics. Jeff Duncan joins me with some

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Speaker 1: intel on the Chargers new offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's bring it in a friend of the podcast, The Athletics,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Duncan, author of Peyton and Breathe behind Me. Got

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Speaker 1: get you a copy. Jeff, what's up, van As. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing good, looking forward to a big Super Bowl this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and looking forward to talking to you about about the

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Speaker 1: subject matter. Absolutely, Joe Lombardi, the new offensive coordinator of

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. What should fans know about Joe? Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about Joe getting that opportunity. I think

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Speaker 1: what do you think Joe learned from that that stint

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why he took this system. He

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Speaker 1: The athletics, Jeff Duncan, I always appreciate your time. Man.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on the book and all your success, and look

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Speaker 1: another front of the pot Rick Sartella NFL Draft Bible. Rick,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while, man, I think it's been literally

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Speaker 1: it's been too long, Chris, but it must be January

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Speaker 1: let's start with this because this morning Justin Herbert was

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Speaker 1: some really good players who scouts just don't want to

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Speaker 1: There was no times, and that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: With a small school guy, you want to know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if I don't know that, well, hey, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest challenge I think for the charge.

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Speaker 1: When I see you have nine picks, this is a

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Speaker 1: good point, and you're exactly right, and I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: see how it plays out, because you know, Tom Telesco's

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Speaker 1: the pro liaison and trying to you know, and these

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Speaker 1: guys are trying to recruit. They got National Signing Day,

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Speaker 1: they got this guy. So like, if you don't have

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Speaker 1: those connections, because we've seen in the scouting community a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams go with the younger kind of information

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Speaker 1: gatherers that are new that they're still greeting to the business.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, those guys aren't getting the call back. But

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Speaker 1: I think those are the teams with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an upper hand here in this year's draft. Rick

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Speaker 1: continues to grow. Well, you know your copy will be

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Speaker 1: in the mail Chris once again, and so you know

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Speaker 1: a lot is transpired since the last time we spoke.

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Speaker 1: NFL Draftbible dot Com is now relaunched on Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 1: We're really excited about that announcement, and the official twenty

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Speaker 1: if you want to just stay on top of everything

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Speaker 1: we do, because we're honestly twenty four seven, three sixty

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Speaker 1: five year round coverage of the NFL Draft, just follow

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter at NFL Draft Bible. We put out

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Speaker 1: everything we do there and hey, I promise you you

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Speaker 1: won't be disappointed. Chris, I really appreciate the time. It's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure chopping it up. Hopefully we get to

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Speaker 1: do this sometime soon. Yeah, and more than once a year.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do this again before the draft. Rick always

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, but absolutely, Chris, thank you so much. All Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. A big thanks to Rick,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Tella, Jeff Duncan for joining me, and of course

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Speaker 1: every Thursday. We had a lot of podcasts I think

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago with Brandon Staley being hired,

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Speaker 1: I want to get as much perspective as possible. But

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Speaker 1: Tune in, have a great weekend, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harry