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Speaker 1: My name is Michael rapport a K They're gonna go Mandingo.

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Speaker 1: man Weave with Michael Rappaport and Kenyan Martin all the

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Speaker 1: way back down. He tip, let's sit play out of

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Speaker 1: the five out from All Star Weekend in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: All Right, my name is Michael Rapport. This is the

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Speaker 1: two man we've but I'm about to run the three

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Speaker 1: man weave and I'm I'm gonna just throw it up

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Speaker 1: on the break and I'm gonna get it to somebody.

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Speaker 1: Either one of these dudes in their prime. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what they have left in the tank as far

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Speaker 1: as slamming it down. I know Kenyan can do a

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Speaker 1: little something. Rex I'm not sure. My name is Michael Rapport.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Kenyan Martin. We have a true unicorn

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Speaker 1: of basketball, the great Rex Checking. Okay, You've done a

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Speaker 1: lot of things on the court, but first of all,

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Speaker 1: I just I just wanna, I just wanna rock people's

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Speaker 1: world five Star basketball camp after your freshman year Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: You're a counselor, quiet guy, shy guy, Ramo Robinson rooming together.

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Speaker 1: We were there as campers a couple of years before,

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Speaker 1: probably in the blue chip status. Yeah, yeah, we were invited.

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Speaker 1: Were we were invited? Yeah? I wasn't invited. I just

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Speaker 1: was there. But but but but were you one of

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Speaker 1: the guys cleaning up the table. I wasn't cleaning table, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but I wasn't in that other special little thing where

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Speaker 1: you're inviting you're getting sneakers and god knows what under

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Speaker 1: the table. Listen, we don't want to talk about that

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Speaker 1: right now. But Rex Chapman was one of my counselors

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Speaker 1: at camp. Okay, at the five star basketball camp. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is sight seven now, did you

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Speaker 1: remember this about me? Rex? I mean, like we're able

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Speaker 1: to put two and two at that time, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: a world renowned actor obviously. No, Yes, I put it together.

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Speaker 1: We talked the other day. You told me, and the

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Speaker 1: second you said five star, I went, I knew. I

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Speaker 1: knew that little annoyed in New York dude somewhere that

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Speaker 1: I was exactly what it was. Hey, By the way,

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Speaker 1: we have another chair. Is it gonna break now? George?

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Speaker 1: George is coming? Okay, what y'all doing tonight? What are

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Speaker 1: you and George doing tonight? Probably I'll go play in

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Speaker 1: traffic on the freeway, yeah, playing for all? Let him

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Speaker 1: you guys know each other? Uh? Uh well, My one

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Speaker 1: Jay said, I played against you right yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: play after micro double microps but not lose any bounce either.

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Speaker 1: So so rex Um with the state of like certain

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Speaker 1: former players, right, do you feel that more guys former

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Speaker 1: put the team together. But you've been around, you have

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Speaker 1: went to school for sports management orl we sort of

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Speaker 1: a great question. And here's what I love about listening

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Speaker 1: the NBA is a real cyclical kind of kind of deal.

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Speaker 1: mix it with those guys who know the numbers and

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Speaker 1: We can go to any court, any gym, any place

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I think is missing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the tests people put these numbers in the computer, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't he drive left too much? Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 1: work for us. Yeah, you're right. But the best guys.

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Speaker 1: so you know. But I'm with you. Look this guy,

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Speaker 1: in in a personnel spot. He knows, he knows. You

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Speaker 1: know what. I now am just remembering about five stars.

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Speaker 1: That was great player. I should have been I should

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Speaker 1: have been recruited a little bit higher. Well. No, that

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Speaker 1: that Patrick Knight, Bobby's son whipped your ass all week,

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Speaker 1: Grant Hill Christ I swear to god. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: You have Kenyan, you have Jr. You have Carmelo. What

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Speaker 1: What was it like, boy, Melo, I'm sorry, my boy

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Speaker 1: with Mellow with the braids, there's a lot of dudes. Jr.

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Speaker 1: Smith likes the basketball, Carmelo likes to basketball. Obviously Alan

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Speaker 1: then you got Kenyan had a talented, talented team. Now

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Speaker 1: You got tattoos every d but me and Kenyan's got

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Speaker 1: Be sort of and you're an ex player, you're respected.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing with this team? And what is

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Speaker 1: George called George exactly breaking down here. We had a

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Speaker 1: great team for George because as you know, okay, George

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Speaker 1: with if there if there's no drama, he'll inject a

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Speaker 1: of liked he I know, he liked our personalities because

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Speaker 1: Nana uh trotting those guys out there at the four

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Speaker 1: things turn for the good for men. Question off you

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Speaker 1: going back to school? Yeah. Actually, my older brother, he

425
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: he really pushed me to get back in school, you know,

426
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: because I was in the parks, you know, playing basketball,

427
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: but you know, just dominating people in and he saw

428
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more and probably than what I saw

429
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: it myself. And so he told me that, you know,

430
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: you're not gonna just do this for the rest of

431
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: your life. You know, you need to go go back

432
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: to school, and um, good education first and foremost. And

433
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: the basketball just kind of, you know, took a life

434
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: of his own when I when I got back, making

435
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: it into league as an undrafted guy, making the All

436
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: Star Game, being such a I mean, such a I

437
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: mean you meant so much to the fans, you know,

438
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: the the Jordan's, the Reggie Miller, the the battles that

439
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: that that that that those Knicks teams had. When you

440
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: look back, what do you think was about those teams?

441
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Because you know, when when those teams were going on,

442
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: they referred to the old Knicks, the seventies seventy three teams.

443
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: And now I hate to say it, Uh, John, you guys,

444
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: in my opinion, are the old Knicks and the busher

445
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: Willis Street guys are the older Knicks. And it hurts

446
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: my heart that, like, you know, the glory days were

447
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago. But when when you think about

448
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: that team and what do you think resonated with the

449
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: fans so much? What was so special about that team?

450
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we represented New York and

451
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the way we played, the hard nose scrabble style of

452
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: basketball that you know you see in the parks, and

453
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what the team represented. You know, we

454
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: was blood and guts every time we step out on

455
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: the court. And the league was a little different back then.

456
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Kenyan played back then where you can grab and hold

457
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: and and do certain things out there on the court

458
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: that you couldn't get away with today's and basketball, and

459
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: I think the fans appreciated that physical style of play

460
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: because it brought out the best and you know, each

461
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: team and each player, and uh, it made for a

462
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: lot of confrontations out there. You know a lot of fights. Question,

463
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: a lot of fights went on during that time. You know,

464
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: I remember time coming back in the league and and

465
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: when I came in the league, you literally had to

466
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: fight your way to get respect, you know, and things

467
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: wasn't given to you and so and uh, you know

468
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: it made it hard for you, just like stepping on

469
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: the yard, you know, you know, order for you to

470
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: get your respect, you don't have to you have to

471
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: throw them up, right, And that's just the way the

472
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: league was back then. You know, you have the older

473
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: guys coming at you on your team and yeah, you know,

474
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: vetching guys in the league that didn't respect you at

475
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: the time, and and you had to get your respect.

476
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: And that just the way it was. So what you

477
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: think about like the freedom of movement and all this

478
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: stuff that play now, like a guy like Steph Current

479
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: clearly talented with with yourself, more than likely you would

480
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: have been able to been your matchup for what would

481
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: you have done? Definitely? What would you have done. Like

482
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation last night at dinner, I

483
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: would tell the people like you probably wouldn't try to

484
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: make him ruptus, achilling or nothing like that. You ain't

485
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: trying to hurt them permanently. But what would you have

486
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: done now? Oh, definitely no. Back then, you know, you

487
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: get physical. I mean it was a physical game back then.

488
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: And then you knew as a guard, and you knew

489
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: when you came down in lane you was gonna get

490
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: hit and you're gonna get put on your back. And

491
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: the referees back then would tell you just get up

492
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: and go to the line. You know, they didn't you know,

493
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: they wasn't going to a lot of tape or anything

494
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: they looked at. It was just a common foule. But

495
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: the game is a little different now, you know what

496
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean with a guy like stuff, you have to

497
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: put your hands on him. If you couldn't put your

498
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: hands on him, he's gonna do what he's doing now.

499
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, I love to play during this time where

500
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: guys can put put their hands on me. I would

501
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: have been fun. It would have been a lot of fun.

502
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Your your matchups with Reggie and Michael Jordan's are are legendary.

503
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: They've actually made actual films, the ESPN thirty for thirty

504
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: winning time, you know, focused on you and Reggie. The

505
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: beauty of John Starks is you brought out the best

506
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: in them. They knew when they came to New York,

507
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: and you were gonna be on them every play. You're

508
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna be on him. You were gonna be found him,

509
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: you were gonna be agitating him, and if push came

510
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: to shop, you'd be head budding him. Okay, excluding Michael

511
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Reggie Miller, who were the other guys that

512
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: you would say, these guys were like hard to guard. Well,

513
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: bigger guards always gave me problems because I was only

514
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: six to about eighty pounds under an eighty five. So

515
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: guys like miss Richmond at Clyde gave me a lot

516
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: of problems, you know, class six eighth bart and so

517
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: those guys, bigger guards always gave me problems. Guys like

518
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: Steve Smith always gave me problems because of their height

519
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: and and a lot of them times they'd take me

520
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: down in the post. So what I did, I tried

521
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: to be as physical as possible and in front of

522
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: them as much as possible, and rely on my backside.

523
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Help right now. I gotta ask you, and you could

524
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: articulately as much as little as you want. The Oakley

525
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: thing has been so nuts. It was so crazy. First

526
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: of all, were you at the game? No? I wasn't.

527
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh God, thank god you weren't there, because because your

528
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: your your old instincts might have kicked in and it

529
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: could have turned into a whole was No. I actually

530
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: worked for the for the Knicks, so obviously, Mike, you

531
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: know I can't talk about that situation alright, alright, well

532
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's been I'm glad it's resolved

533
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: right now. And and because as a Knicks fan, you

534
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: know it was there was so much irony and so

535
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: much metaphor and it and like after all the chaos

536
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: of it happened, like me and my heart, like I

537
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: felt sad. I was just like I felt sad for

538
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: I felt sad for the Knicks. I felt sad for

539
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: the fans. Like it was just such a like where

540
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: are we at? You know? How did we get here? Listen, John,

541
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: I I gotta tell you again, and I know I'm

542
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: speaking on all fans of basketball, especially fans of the Knicks.

543
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: What you did the way you did it at the

544
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: time you did. It will never be forgotten. It will

545
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: always be appreciated. The Garden Knicks fans will always stand

546
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: up for you. You you were and still are represent

547
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: the heart of New York. And I'm not talking about

548
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: the bougie Soho or hipster Brooklyn. I'm talking about the working,

549
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: lunch pale people of New York City. What you did

550
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: well will never be forgotten. I personally appreciated so much,

551
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: and like I said, now with all the craziness, it

552
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: means so much even more. Thank you for coming on.

553
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: The two men we've man Kenyan Martin, and and good

554
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: luck on everything you're doing. We'll be right back. Two

555
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: man We've. My name is Michael Rapport, Kenyan Martin will

556
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: be right back from Live from the Streets of New Orleans,

557
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Week in two seventeen debt left Shrimp

558
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: is here. Yes, it's a pleasure to meet you. Thanks

559
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: for Oh come on, man, listen now the two man

560
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: we've has become a three man we've. I'm running point

561
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and I feel very confident about my Yes, we're ready

562
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: to go. Thanks for joining us that left. Thanks for

563
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: having me. How you doing my man, I'm doing pretty good.

564
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: It's not raining. It's beautiful out there. Yes, it was

565
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: raining gumbo yesterday. I never saw that in my life.

566
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I heard of cats and dogs and ben Ya's dead,

567
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: left shrimp and now and I've been trying to say

568
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: your name since I'm fifteen? Is it shrimp? I know,

569
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: I know people have said it work. That's pretty good shrimp. Yeah,

570
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Usually I hear a lot we're I

571
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: get the what's your name? That left Douglas, that Dick

572
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: now that Ted? Whatever? Did you go to Starbucks? You're

573
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, just whatever, Just give me the just

574
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: just make sure you put two shots of espresso in there,

575
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: two times. Six man in the year, three time All Star.

576
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: You came from a ridiculous draft class in Xavier Daniel,

577
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Chris Mullen. Then you then a gentleman who has been

578
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: discussed often in the last week and a half but

579
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: always close to my heart. Charles Oakley, Carl Malone, Joe Dumore.

580
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: It's a c Green, etcetera, etcetera. The great Patrick Ewing

581
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: hell of class. That's that's a draft class. Yeah, yeah,

582
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: A lot of guys played for fifteen plus years and

583
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: that's rare, and that's Ryan the draft. I mean, that's

584
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: something to be proud of. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Uh

585
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: we uh, we had a pretty good culture back then, guys,

586
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: guys playing and enjoying it and competing. What what what

587
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: did you ever imagine as being one of the first successful,

588
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, really sort of standout guys from overseas. Now

589
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: it's not just Europe, It's there's guys in the league

590
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: from countries I didn't even know exist, you know. Uh,

591
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: did you ever imagine that the NBA would be so

592
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: multicultural and so worldwide legitimately, I mean there's legitimate guys

593
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: on so many teams from all over the place. Spain,

594
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's crazy Brazil. Did you ever

595
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: imagine it? Not when I first started, but uh, you know,

596
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: the process off my career, at the end of my career,

597
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: a lot of more guys were coming over, and um,

598
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: at the beginning, guys said it didn't make sense, right

599
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: because they're making good money and it'll in Spain and Greece.

600
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Back then, Germany didn't really have the professional league, so uh,

601
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: there was no reason for them to come over. Because

602
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: there were stars back home making good money. UM at

603
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: the first two or three that came over struggled. So

604
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: you know when you have guys that are superstars internationally

605
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: and came over and struggled here. Uh, the younger generation

606
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: was afraid of that. But once guy has had success,

607
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: more and more started giving it a try. And now

608
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: you have a pretty much international league. Yeah. I think

609
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: it's great. I mean I never would have thought because

610
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: there was such a stigma on guys. You know, they're soft,

611
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: they're not playing it, you know, and then guys will

612
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: break through, but didn't there'd be like for every one guy.

613
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: There was the draft pick that the Knicks picked, the

614
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: guy from France who never showed up. Yeah, I can't

615
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: remember his name. And you know what, I don't care

616
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: if I didn't know his name, I'm not gonna say

617
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: because I don't know where he is. He's been m

618
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I M I since we drafted him. So I think

619
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: it's it's really good that, you know, the league has

620
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: been so so multi coachural NBA All Star Week and

621
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: what is your first memory of being uh an NBA

622
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: All Star? What was your first trip to any NBA

623
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: All Star Game? Um? I played for the East um,

624
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: and I remember that my guy was not guarding me

625
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: and MJ wouldn't pass me the rock because that was

626
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: the rookie. I was like, I was wide open. I

627
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: would never got the ball. They got rookie get off

628
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: the glass, yeah, exactly, trying to tip it in right.

629
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: And that was basically back then. It was you know,

630
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: the guys are all planning, rookie is not gonna get

631
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, it'll tell you. So it was. It

632
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: was a different culture and it was very competitive. Um

633
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you didn't really talk to guys from

634
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: other teams, and so they were you know they were

635
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: There was a lot of hatred going on. I mean

636
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: while even though you're on the East or the West

637
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: All Stars, guy stuck with that guys like if he

638
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: had a teammate that that's what we was there with

639
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: or he went to It wasn't all this buddy, buddy,

640
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hug it out and then go out

641
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: and play and we're gonna be at the All Star Game.

642
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: We all we had we had the same agent, but

643
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: we're not having the same event. Like that's this this

644
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: is like he was this is a new generation like wow,

645
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: that owned and off the court. There is a new

646
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: generation and the way these kids are being raised to

647
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: go out to compete for their livelihood, like like this

648
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: is a job. We are here to compete, Like I

649
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't like I couldn't be your friend. But you gotta

650
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: cut it off at a certain point. And that's what

651
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: that's the point, you know, Like did did you? Did

652
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: you remember that left when he was playing for Dallas. Yeah,

653
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I grew up. Like I said, I'm I'm born. I

654
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: wasn't born in Dallas, but I'm watching I was. I

655
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: was watching basketball, man, I was. I was in tomb Um.

656
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: I didn't get a whole lot of like national games

657
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: because we don't have cable. So hey, we're watching local.

658
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: You're watching the guys at local. You know. So I

659
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Dallas Maverick basketball games growing up. Now,

660
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: you you made the All Star team with a couple

661
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: of different teams. You you are. You one of the

662
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: most iconic teams I think of the last years is

663
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: your Seattle SuperSonics team, Gary Payton, uh and then Sean

664
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Kemp who I actually was a basketball camp with with

665
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Rex Chapman. He was a little better than me. Okay,

666
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: things went. I took a different path that left. That's

667
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: all I'm telling. Good choice, sister, is. I'm gonna tell

668
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you what do you remember about that team? You guys

669
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: came so close. I mean you know you there. We

670
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: was so much, so much hope with with the Seattle SuperSonics.

671
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: George called you you and you and n can you

672
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: Mortan shared this in common? What's the thing that you

673
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: think about that team? And where is Sean Kemp? And

674
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: can you tell him the text me? That was my dude, man,

675
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: talk to me about that Sonics team. Son Is he's

676
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: living outside Seattle. He is doing well good, you know,

677
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: and his wife and m still got a couple of

678
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: kids at home. He's doing well. Signed at the Athletics,

679
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: signed like sixteen, the same amazing plagat his son could

680
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: play ball too, hu Athletic. Yeah is uh it's good.

681
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean thinking bout those days in the nineties. Um,

682
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: first of all, it was never quiet. We had GP,

683
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: but uh it was crazy. I mean we had a

684
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: crazy team, different personalities from the coach on down. You

685
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: know that there was a lot of craziness. But we

686
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: were a veteran team. Um, so we played hard. I

687
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: was telling somebody earlier that our practices were harder than

688
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: most of our games really because guys went at it,

689
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, and talked stuff and and all those things,

690
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: and uh, it was fun because we know we had

691
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: a chance to win every night, and you step on

692
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: the court and you think you're gonna win. That's how

693
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: you played. Uh. Yeah, we had a couple of disappointments earlier,

694
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: but you know, we we made a good run at it.

695
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: It's just, uh, I love getting on the basketball court

696
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: when you know we have a chance to win every night.

697
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: And that's what it was. How much of a disappointment

698
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: was it for you? Because me, as a basketball fan,

699
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: I have no steak in Seattle. I have no steak

700
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: in see you know, the Seattle SuperSonics. I was a fan,

701
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: you know. But for me and I don't understand the

702
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: business of basketball. But for you being somebody that we

703
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: meant so much to the city, and Seattle had great

704
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: ends and and and such competitive teams going back to

705
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: to to the the Gus Williams days, how much how

706
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: much was it was? It was a heartbreak for Seattle

707
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: to lose basketball. I don't think people realized until they

708
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: were gone, you know, because the last couple of years,

709
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Duran had just come. Um they were they

710
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: weren't very good, right, so the politicians were are you

711
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: and well, we don't really need the Sonics, you know,

712
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: we got the Seahawks, the Mariners and um, but once

713
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: they were gone, it was like this boid there. And uh,

714
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: you know I always said I was telling people that before.

715
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you gonna miss it because even

716
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: if you don't go to a lot of games, you

717
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: won't be able to take your son to watch the

718
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: best players in the world play. You know, you're not

719
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: going to drive down to Portland because you don't like Portland.

720
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're then we're not fans of the Blazers

721
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: and they're just natural and so you your kids will

722
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: grow up without going to games. And to me, that's

723
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: a sad part, you know, because we have a great culture.

724
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we did an awareness thing a couple of

725
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: years ago where Chris Hanson stepped up, you know, spend

726
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars in property downtown to build an arena,

727
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: and uh, we had forty people sign up for season tickets.

728
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm going, Okay, you know, David Stern, were you be

729
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: were you a part of it? I helped just promote,

730
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: not but I my check book is not big enough.

731
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying in terms of like getting it

732
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: back there, because I think it's I think it's a shame.

733
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: You know when these in all big sports, like the

734
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Sandego charges, I don't care that they play in a

735
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: dump qualitme. I was there this year. I had to

736
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: bring my own seat to place full. But the fans

737
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: love it, you know, and like when when these are

738
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: big sports, the fans don't understand why where are you going?

739
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, Okay season has their basketball team,

740
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: but like the Seattle Superstars, I'm looking at this picture

741
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: of g P, I'm like, this is part of the NBA.

742
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: The fabric im behind me. Listen. Granted, your uniforms are suspect.

743
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: The green and yellow never made sense to me, But

744
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you guys weren't competitive. I don't want

745
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: to start a fighting. I'm just talking the truth here

746
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: and and I'm color blind, debt left, but those uniforms

747
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: were questionable at best. Now, now what are you doing

748
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: down here in New Orleans for this All Star Game? Um?

749
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, the typical stuff did the NBA Cares yesterday.

750
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: We went and visited some schools, helped rebuild some playgrounds,

751
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: visited classrooms for some of the schools that are affected

752
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: by the tornado anyhow, and then some many of views,

753
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: um and seeing talking to some of the sponsors, and

754
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: really catching up with guys that you know, typically see

755
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: once a year if they're coming from all over the country.

756
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: We go have a beer together and and you know,

757
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: GP and I have them a little bit more than that, Yeah,

758
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and talk about all kinds of stuff. So it's it's

759
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's a good time to catch up. What

760
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: was Gary Payton like as a teammate as a point guard?

761
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: You said talking, Um, I he's not even in the

762
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: building and I can still hear echoes of his voice

763
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: from yesterday. Doesn't shut up. Fantastic player. What was what

764
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: made him so it? Oh? He competed. I mean he

765
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: competed every day. We fought almost every day because you know,

766
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: I would get mad at him because he didn't want

767
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: to practice or he didn't want to stick around for shooting,

768
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, And I said, dude, you just missed seven

769
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: free throws. Go shoot some free throws. And he goes

770
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't eat that, you know. So we fought every day,

771
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: but as soon as the ball went up, you know,

772
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: he competed every day. You know, back then he played

773
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: with sprain, ankles, dislocated fingers, you know everything. He wanted

774
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to compete every day and there was nothing but respect

775
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: for that. Now Kenyan's talked about it, and I know

776
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: it's easy to say whether it's music wise, we were

777
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: just talking about hip hop. You know, we could say

778
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: the good old days. Is the good old days that

779
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: you you're you're, you're you you you You stopped playing

780
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: when Kenyan was coming into the league. In all honesty,

781
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: from what you guys see now, both of you, I

782
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: want to hear both your thins. You know, do you

783
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: feel like the league has changed? Is it quote unquote softer?

784
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: You talked about being on the All Star team, and

785
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't Hunky Dorry. You didn't work on

786
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: any handshakes with Michael Jordan's. You guys didn't do any

787
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: like you didn't work any choreograph handshakes. I got no

788
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: rhythm doing. You got something. But but do you see

789
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: the league changing? Is it for the good, is it

790
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: for the worst? Or is it a little bit in between.

791
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, life changes, everything involves, and the

792
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: game has changed over the years. We played differently than

793
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, Oscar Robinson, did you know. I mean you

794
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: look at films and the game always changes. To me,

795
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: it's I love basketball now, that's that was my first love.

796
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: I still if I could play at play every day. Right.

797
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: The body just can't do it. So you kind of go, uh,

798
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: I go with it, and they're they're great athletes, great players.

799
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: It's just a different game. How so is it different?

800
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Like what when you say it's a different game, what

801
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: do you mean? Well, how many centers made the All

802
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: Star Game? Marcus soul is the only release seven foot

803
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: or Okay, you can argue under Jordan's I mean he's

804
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: a center, but he plays more like a running wingman

805
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: like you did, right, running gentleman dunk and right and

806
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: so there, it's it's a different game. It's penetrating. Shouldn't

807
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: kick in three pointers? When you look at how many

808
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: shots are taking every year, the percentages of three pointers,

809
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: it's gone way up. Just like it is. It's soft

810
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: man like, it's you can't hit anybody to somebody. They

811
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: started this thing a few years ago they put this

812
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: this this, this freedom of movement thing they call it.

813
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: And what is that where you can't put your hands

814
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: on opposed on the perimeter like they want guys just

815
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: to be able to run around freely and catch the

816
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: ball and do do do and not be touched and

817
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: anything results in the foul. So this freedom movement thing

818
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: they just want to they call it free flowing basketball.

819
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: Is that an adjustment for you? I never adjusted, okay,

820
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: but you have to sneak what it's like you can't

821
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm not gonna compromise the way I

822
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: played the game because I was taught how to play

823
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: basketball the right way. You know. I'm not going to

824
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: compromise that, not at all, just because you're all the

825
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: changing the rules and all that. Like I'm I'm gonna

826
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: continue to play hard. I'm gonna continue the hard foil

827
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: if need be. I'm not gonna try to hurt you,

828
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get you a hard found you. No,

829
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not with the freedom of movement thing. You

830
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: cut through the paint, I'm gonna chuck you. That's that's

831
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: just the way I was told how to play like

832
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you and you on the pick and roll, the guy

833
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: rolling blind down the paint, I'm gonna stand you up

834
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: like this is and stuff like that. Devils was speaking

835
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: of like I'm gonna stand you up every time, and

836
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: like we played the Celtics in the playoffs U and

837
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: I was with the Knicks and they I gotta foul

838
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: every game on the same play they're running played KG dive.

839
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I stand him up. I stand it. But it wasn't

840
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: like I was just in his way, but I didn't

841
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: let him get the way you want to get to.

842
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: So they called the foul. So by game three, or

843
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: actually game four, I'm like, you know what, watch this,

844
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you what the foul is. He rolled

845
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: blind down and I laid him out and you hear him.

846
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: I hit him right in the sternal now looked at

847
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: the ref's file like that's that's me, Like, I'm not

848
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: gonna couple of miles the way I played basketball, because

849
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: this y'all baby and these people and playing solf like

850
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I'm a straightforward guy. I

851
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: don't know how to flop. I told the ref freeze

852
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and how guys work on jump shots and free throws stuff,

853
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: during the summer. I told the ref one day, you

854
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna work on flopping this summer. Maybe

855
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: I get some calls. I'll get that Lebron James, Lebron

856
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: blames in my game? Did you say blames with James?

857
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: I think I said blames. We keep making a mistake.

858
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: I think that the microphone is I try to say

859
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: Lebron James. But then sometimes people say, you said Lebron

860
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: blames left. You were playing in the era of basketball

861
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that was is so revered as the good old days.

862
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: Who were the guys that you had to guard? Three

863
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: guys that you were like, I need to tighten my my, my,

864
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: my bootstraps a little bit too, nicely good meal. Every night.

865
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Every night I played two or three four, So I

866
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: went from Jordan to Dominique Wilkins was gonna shoot thirty times.

867
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: What about this guy over here? Oh, I had to

868
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: guard him in the players one year they played small ball.

869
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: He played the three. He's running off like three screens

870
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: and shooting fade away threes. Many yeah, And I'm like,

871
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to it, man, I'm too thirty. I'm I'm

872
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm fighting over screens. And then on the other side.

873
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Go come on, post me up and give me, give me,

874
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: give me your best memory. You're years old. Your kids

875
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: say dad, grandkids, great great grandkids say Dad, What was

876
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: it like playing Michael Jordan's What do you say to them? Man?

877
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun playing the garden in

878
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Chicago Stadium, you know, all those Madison Square garden. Um.

879
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: It was just it was a great time to play.

880
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: And it was it was you know, it was on

881
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: every time. I mean Jordan's the Bulls were grade and

882
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: we lost to them, but you know we we had

883
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: some success against them. It was just a great time

884
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: to play basketball. Um. When the NBA was just taken off.

885
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: When I came in the league, you know, it was

886
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: magic and bird has just kind of taken over, and

887
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: the league had just started picking up, and salary started

888
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: to you know, creep up, and the game all of

889
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: a sudden started going on TV. When I was in college,

890
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: there was one game on TV. I think it was

891
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: like Sunday afternoon game or something, right, and then all

892
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Yeah, all of a sudden, you know,

893
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon and TNT Sundays Saturdays, and you know that's

894
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: how the game evolved, so it was it was a

895
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: great time to play. Well, listen, dead lift, I've honestly

896
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: you're part of my my, my youth, my you know. Uh,

897
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, when you came into the league, I still

898
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: had hoop dreams. Um. I loved watching you play. I

899
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: loved watching you compete. You know, you really brought the

900
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, the European flavor into the league, and you

901
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: made a name for yourself. Outside of that, the debt

902
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: left Shrump Foundation. Can you tell me about that real quick. Well,

903
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: we're in our twenty fourth year. We're raised about twenty

904
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: million dollars and we thank you. That's been Yeah, we

905
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: were fortunate. Seattle is a very generous community. They are

906
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: still very fond of what we did in the nineties,

907
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: so we still have a lot of support. But we

908
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: just raise money and do events for raise money. Basically

909
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: four children needs. So we worked with probably about a

910
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: hundred different charities over the year. So, okay, bringing their

911
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: kids in, raise some money, distribute the funds, and have them,

912
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, do their summer programs, after school programs, whatever

913
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: they need us. All right, listen, I would love to

914
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: have a full three man we with Kenny Moore and

915
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: and Debt left shrump. Don't drop the ball. No, no,

916
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I won't listen. Just just get open. I'll give you

917
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: the ball. Drop the ball. We're about dropping the ball.

918
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: If you did not see me, if you not seen

919
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: my work YouTube, Debt left this YouTube. But don't worry.

920
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: I was known as a Chris passer. All right, you

921
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: just get open, Yeah, two hanches and off snap it

922
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: at you and don't say, oh, that's a little too hard. Okay,

923
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: this isn't the eighties. I'm throwing at the ball tough.

924
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: Don't catch the ball, make the shot because I'm running

925
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: back down court. Thank you so much for joining Honestly,

926
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of yours for a while. Uh.

927
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: This is this is the two man we've dead left Shrimp,

928
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: Kenyan Martin. We're coming up with each time. Thomas former

929
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Washington Wizard, Harlem Born. I don't know if he was

930
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Harlem raised. When you get to the bottom of that,

931
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: We're live in New Orleans. This is the two man

932
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: we've on NBA on tune in. Welcome to Play, a

933
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment,

934
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot It stay out

935
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: of their lane. It's two man weave with Michael Rappaport

936
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: and Kenyan Martin. Get all the way back down the

937
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: tip out from set, pay out of the Clive out

938
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: and live from all our week in the New Orleans. Hi.

939
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: This is the two men We've My name is Michael Rapport,

940
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: Kenyan Martin, coming live and direct from New Orleans talking

941
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Greasy in the Big Easy. Got special guest Eaton Thomas.

942
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: How are you man, I'm good. I'm good. Yo. I'm

943
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: loving that shirt you're wearing. I gotta tell you, I'm

944
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: loving that hurt you wearing. Look. I was coming out

945
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: my my hotel right I ran into Oakley out here,

946
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: right out here yesterday. Was it different than seeing Oakley

947
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: all the other times you've seen him in your in

948
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: your life, in your career, Well, no, because I I

949
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: played with him with the with the Wizards for a year, right,

950
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: so I've been talking about him and talking about how

951
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: messed up I think the whole thing with James Oland

952
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: is and everything like that. And you know, we gave

953
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: me a hug, gave me a pounce, and thank you

954
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: for the support and everything. We chopped it up for

955
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: a little while but that's my man, and it was

956
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: messed up. Speak on it. What do you think? Listen,

957
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: let me tell you this though. First of all, you

958
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: don't treat a player like Charles Oakley like that. Don't

959
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: treat any player like that, because especially not Charles Oakley

960
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: is New York. I grew up in Knicks fans, like

961
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: you said I was. I was born in Harlem. I

962
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: wasn't raised there. I grew up in Toulst, Oklahoma, but

963
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 1: I was born in Harlem, grew up a Knicks fans,

964
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: seeing him sweat blood and tears for the team. Right,

965
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: So his crime was talking bad about the organization there,

966
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: talking about something that they could have done better. Everybody

967
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: does that, you know what I mean? So so so

968
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Donlan is gonna say, Okay, I don't want you talking

969
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: about the organization so much, you can never come to

970
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: the to the garden again. And then the way you

971
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: treat him like that, like he's like I mean, the

972
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: worst part was the demonizing of him afterwards, saying that,

973
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: saying that oh he I hope he gets to help

974
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: he needs, throwing out things about alcoholism, has got angerishes

975
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I mean that that was just

976
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: evil that was. I know you agree with me, but

977
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: that's absolutely, I mean messed up to see absolutely you

978
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: are you? You and Kenyan were in the same draft

979
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: class NBA. You're from Harlem? What hard hospital? You were

980
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: born in Harlem? Born Harlem? Do you think your life

981
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: would have taken a different turn and you've been raised

982
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: in Harlem? Just like, no disrespect to Oklahoma. Don't know

983
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: what kind of flavor they got out there. You don't know. Well,

984
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: let me tell you though, in Oklahoma was tough. I

985
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: mean we we had, we had we had infilstration of

986
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: crypts and bloods that came in from l A. They

987
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: set up shop. It was you know, I got a

988
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: whole lot of homeboys that I grew up with that,

989
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, neighborhood crimps, main street crimps. You know, didn't

990
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: make it to the NBA. I can name twenty guys

991
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: that you never heard of that should have been in

992
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: the NBA way before me. Out of Tolls, Oklahoma. So

993
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: they were wilding down there. They was wild horses. What

994
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: it is that ain't you know? It's not like that?

995
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: But not I spent my summers in Harlem, so you know,

996
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the park playing

997
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So much of Spen always always got

998
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: love for home. Okaying a little rock it was real.

999
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: That was not little, It was little real. It's like

1000
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: an hour from Tulsa. It was something down the road saying,

1001
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, I never understood it should have been like

1002
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: fishing in little rock, gang banging a little rock, Daddy,

1003
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: they're getting it in a What have you been up to?

1004
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: You've been writing? Yeah, you've been very outspoken about certain things.

1005
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: You're you're you wrote a great piece for the Players Tribune.

1006
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: Why how what? I wrote a piece about Terence Crutcher

1007
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: after the murder Terrence Crutchri. I went to school with

1008
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: his sister in Toils, Oklahoma. So I hit really close

1009
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: to home for me, you know what I mean? So

1010
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: you know right how I'm down here. I'm writing a

1011
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: book UM called We Matter Athletes and Activism. So I

1012
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: I just interviewed Oscar Robinson. Was a great interview. UM.

1013
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm doing that a lot now, you know,

1014
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: doing things that and there's a lot to speak out on,

1015
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: you know. So I do panel discussions and the panel

1016
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: discussion of the Dela University UM Thursday night. So let's

1017
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, keep myself busy a little bit. What what

1018
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: do you think that is about athletes and activism doing

1019
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: too little? Um? Some guys want to speak out, some

1020
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: guys don't want to be involved. Some guys care, some

1021
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: guys don't care. The thing that I see as a

1022
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: fan of sports in generals, I feel like guys, whether

1023
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: it's Kaepernick, you know, I feel like Lebron. You know.

1024
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: One of the things that I always break his chops,

1025
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I admire and I

1026
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: respect about him is that being such a polarizing star,

1027
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: being a transcendent star, he has tried, you know, at

1028
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: times to speak out and and and and what what?

1029
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: What is the thing like? How do you not go

1030
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: too far? Because I think one of the reasons why

1031
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: guys don't speak out is like my endorsements and I

1032
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna get fired, you know, can I take a knee? Well?

1033
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: What is your opinion on being a former NBA player?

1034
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, right now is a beautiful time because guys

1035
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: are speaking out in the way that they haven't in

1036
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: a long time. You know what I mean. I mean,

1037
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: you're hearing Carmelo, who was speaking out about different things,

1038
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: spoke out about the Freddy Freddie Grat situation. And you know,

1039
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: after the you know, Trevor Martin was murdered. You know,

1040
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: when you have the whole team, the entire team, the

1041
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: whole Miami he wore the hoodies and pulled forth. That

1042
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: was like an iconic picture. After after the Eric Gardner

1043
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: was murdered, they all were that I can't breathe around

1044
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: the league. The whole Lakers did, even Kobe Kobe War,

1045
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't breathe a shirt, you know what I mean.

1046
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: So it's like there's a whole new new generation the

1047
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: athletes that aren't really afraid. So even talking about like

1048
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: I talked about before the Oakly situation, right, you had

1049
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: Lebron come out right, you had the way it come

1050
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: out and say it wasn't right. All these different players

1051
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Speaker 1: who are the main polarizing players say no, no, no,

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: this guy might be in his position to being the

1053
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: owner of of NBA team, owner of the Nicks, but

1054
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: what he did was not right. And I'm gonna talk

1055
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: about it, you know, for me as an actor, you know,

1056
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: like actors right now because obviously now with social media,

1057
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, award shows, everybody can articulate their opinion and

1058
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: I think that's great. And I think you know, whether

1059
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: you agree with it or not, you know, actors like

1060
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: the thing is shut up, you just a dumb actor.

1061
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, athletes, but I think Ali being you know,

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00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: the the the the the at the top of it.

1063
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: But with the Jim Brown, a lot of you know,

1064
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: Bill Russell and Oscar and those guys you know, have

1065
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: always sort of like their voices wanted and and and heard,

1066
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: you know. And and Jordans took a lot of flak

1067
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: because he never said anything about anything. He was just

1068
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: be being Jordan's and some dudes just like, yo, I

1069
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: have feelings, but this is just not my agenda. Obviously

1070
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: that was a different time. Do you think guy get

1071
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: nervous to say things? Do you think guys get you know,

1072
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: scared to to to participate? And what do you think

1073
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: athletes can do by being vocal and being on the

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00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: front lines with their voices in their opinions, especially with

1075
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's going on in the world right

1076
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: this minute two seventeen, when athletes are vocal. When Kaepernick

1077
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: was vocal and he started talking about everything that was

1078
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: going on, he started talking about politics, he started talking

1079
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: about the killings, about the police and everything is mass incarceration.

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00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: He started saying those words. He brought a conversation to

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: two people who didn't want to have that conversation, who

1082
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable having that conversation. They he invaded their sacred

1083
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: football that they wanted to have just a political with

1084
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: the w n b A. Right after everything that happened,

1085
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: as an entire league, they started wearing black Lives Matter shirts.

1086
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: They and and and it's it was so gamester like

1087
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I had to get in props on what he didn't.

1088
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: They went to the media right after their games. They said,

1089
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: we're not talking about nothing except for what is going

1090
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: on in society right now. That are you talking about

1091
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Authel Sterling's murder, Philander Steele's murder and black lives matter?

1092
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about. We're answer a little

1093
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: bit of your questions. We want We didn't do this

1094
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: business is all we're answering. As a league, they did that.

1095
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: What did your take on the can? Because you grew

1096
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: up hard, you know, and it's like you you you know,

1097
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: you you understand. I think both sides because when you

1098
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: get the kind of success you get as an NBA player,

1099
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: how you grew up. What you grew up around, what

1100
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: you're exposed to, doesn't change what is your feelings about,

1101
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, athletes speaking out, you know, And again I

1102
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: think it's changed since you left the least. I think

1103
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: some guys try to protect their brand, you know, and

1104
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: not and not say anything. They afraid of the backlash

1105
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: or or what might be said of the of their statements.

1106
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: Some people, some of these give vague statement and something

1107
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: they go out there and just to get the people

1108
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: like I said something, and you have other people that's

1109
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: actually boots on the ground, like actually doing the work

1110
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: and being a part of the problem. I mean, I'm

1111
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: the solution and not the problem. Like Kaepernick, like this

1112
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do, no matter what comes with that.

1113
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick by my gun. I'm gonna stick on

1114
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: my gun. And this is what I'm gonna doing with

1115
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: take an every game, and and other people follow suit.

1116
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Other people see like you know what, he does have

1117
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: a point. Why that's why is he the only one

1118
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: doing it? I got his back, you know. And it's

1119
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: and it's different for everyone, you know, um like somebody

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: like something like it's it's it's people's things that they

1121
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: like you said, they grew up around that I not

1122
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna change and things like when position now to be

1123
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: able to help and be able to speak out and

1124
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: Eaton is doing an excellent job of getting the message

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00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: out there that that needs to be said. Way things

1126
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: need to be talked about, need to be addressed. And

1127
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: there's no bigger platform than we have now with all

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00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: the social medias that there we have, man and and

1129
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: but to each his own, to each his own. Some

1130
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: guys that, like you said, they don't want to get

1131
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: involved with it, but I honestly think more guys should.

1132
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: Lebron James of the world, the the tom Brady's are

1133
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: like guys who people actually pay attention to. You know,

1134
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree, have a panel, sit down,

1135
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: have open discussion. It's important you have open discussion and

1136
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: you can come from different things. We all have different views,

1137
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: we all not gonna agree. That's that's just that's life.

1138
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: But be able to sit down and talk and have

1139
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: that dialogue back and forth and and get it out there.

1140
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: If you get it out there, like like I said,

1141
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: capping that got it out there and people follow suit.

1142
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: So just getting the issues out there, talking about and

1143
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: discussing them and might not be able to move past

1144
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: every issue, but you get it out there, you get

1145
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: understanding on what's acceptable, it's not acceptable, and and things

1146
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: can work out. Things can work out. We can coexist. Man,

1147
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: this is the two man we've Now, it's the three

1148
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: man we've Michael Rapp Report, Eaton, Thomas Kenyan, Martin. We

1149
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,959
Speaker 1: got a big line up here. Okay, I'm not gonna

1150
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: say you know we got any three point shooters on

1151
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: this line up here, but I got some big guys

1152
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: in the post. I'm gonna throw it, move the ball

1153
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: on the point guard of this eaton. Are you enjoying

1154
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: the All Star Weekend? What is your take on this?

1155
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Because just just as a it's a hodge podge of

1156
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: people get together. I think the game, it's fun, it's interesting,

1157
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: but the people watching is fantastic. We got pre Marty Gray,

1158
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: we got its raining, uh, crawfish and gumbo, and we

1159
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: have NBA All Star Weekend. Are you enjoying yourself? What

1160
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: are you seeing? What are you liking? What are you

1161
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: not liking? Being about being down here in New Orleans

1162
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: for All Star Weekend? O. First of all, the people

1163
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: in New Orleans are great. I mean, it's it's interesting

1164
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I live in d C. So I'm

1165
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: walking down the stream and everybody's like, you know, hey,

1166
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You know, and I'm like, hey,

1167
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, And it throws you for a little bit.

1168
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, people don't just speak for no reason, you

1169
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: know what. Anybody everybody's so warm, everybody's all nice. And

1170
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: you you go to a restaurant, the waitresses checking on

1171
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: you like seven times. You know that doesn't really happen

1172
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: like that. No, no, So, I mean, it's just the

1173
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: people are so warm and Monty Grass, you know, the energy,

1174
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: and everybody is having a good time, and it's just

1175
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful thing. It really isn't. What I

1176
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: like about All Star Weekend is the networking that you

1177
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: can do. You know, then you're starting to see different

1178
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: people that you can work with and and and and

1179
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: move moved and enjoying it, you know what I mean,

1180
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: come buying different things that you're trying to do, and

1181
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: and that's the beauty of All Star Weekend. You know,

1182
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: we we have a lot of networks that sometimes we

1183
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: don't take advantage of as players, you know what I mean.

1184
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: So we see no question why no questions, no questions.

1185
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 1: So we start. We started meeting each other and talking

1186
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: to each other a little bit more and seeing what

1187
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: each other is doing, and we connect really holding on

1188
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: the cards and using things like that because we have to.

1189
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Now a lot of a lot of ex players, former

1190
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: players are showing up signing onto ice Cubes, Big three League,

1191
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: three on three. I've been asked to get on a

1192
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: few teams. I'm waging my options. I am. I'm just

1193
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna keep it honest. I told you, but just just

1194
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: saying it's like, you know, like the money makes sense.

1195
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll play maybe on that. Have you go? Oakley

1196
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: is coming. We got a I are you guys? Are you?

1197
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Are you guys thinking? What do we think of this?

1198
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: I think it's started to he just signed on. I

1199
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: was the I think I was one of the first

1200
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: guys to say, yes, you're playing my own team right.

1201
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: My team name is Trilogy. Listen, my team name is Trilogy.

1202
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Why am I just finding out about this now?

1203
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: You know my agent exists. I mean we probably would

1204
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: have got to that. We just need to get I

1205
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: know you listen, I know your bodies work. You know

1206
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I understand about the word select, the game,

1207
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: m v P and all that. I get it. I

1208
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: get it, I get it. But listen, hey, Mike, see

1209
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: there's money on the line. Yeah, I got it, I

1210
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: got got five. But you can't. But you can't file out.

1211
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You can't. Yes, I can. No, you can't.

1212
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: Not necessarily mean you can't the lead. You can't foil out.

1213
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: And see the thing is like there's money on the line, right,

1214
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: we were like we're playing for like first to eight place, right,

1215
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: and I don't like what You're my friend. Listen, listen,

1216
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: you're my friend. Listen, you're my friend. I'm about to

1217
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: get to this and you're my friend, right, but when

1218
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: it comes to this money, like this might not be

1219
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: the it's not my because listen, because there's a draft

1220
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: process that we're gonna do. That's so there's a draft

1221
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: they're going to be we might lose friends because it

1222
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: is like if a guy that I'm cool with is

1223
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: on the board and I test for me, I don't

1224
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: think you in shape, right, I'm gonna skip over you

1225
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: because there's a combine. There's a Listen, there's a list

1226
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: that can be a difference, like it's first to eight place. Right,

1227
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: first place gets a certain percentage of the total revenue.

1228
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: Second place get so it slide it down all the

1229
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: way eight. Let's not listen. I'm not trying to come

1230
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: in eight. I got you. I say, I'm not saying

1231
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna make me coming in, but a line has

1232
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: been joining. Do you guys expect this league to be competitive?

1233
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be great. So we need motivational

1234
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: speakers like you got. I'm saying we need a pep

1235
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: talk before every game, bring in, get us right, get right? Yeah,

1236
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: definitely what I'm saying is allowed, and you trash talking

1237
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: is allowed. If you want me to trash talk on,

1238
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: behalf your team and I'm not actually on the team,

1239
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: and share presented percentage. A brown paperback filled up to

1240
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: the top might work for me. Podcast Michael Rapp The

1241
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: Legend in the House Man, We got a legend showtime

1242
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: Lakers many a C green first running team. Man. I

1243
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: used to put that thing, Hey, get it out and

1244
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: got definitely man fun and defending as well, and I

1245
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: just playing one way. That's a good basketball man. I

1246
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: appreciate how you feeling a cd. Uh. It's a pleasure

1247
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: to have you here. If you don't know where c

1248
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: Green is. Uh. I want to get a lot of listeners,

1249
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: but you should probably turn off the show. This is

1250
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: an actual legend. Came up in the draft the same draft,

1251
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, Xavier McDaniel, Chris Mullen, a gentleman named Charles

1252
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: Oakley who has been discussed a lot lately. Carmelone Debt,

1253
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: left Shrimp, NBA All Star, three time NBA champ with

1254
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: the Showtime Lakers two thousand. All right, I don't even

1255
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: know where to start with. We only have you here

1256
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: for a little bit of time. What was it like

1257
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Speaker 1: playing in the old Boston Garden? How intense were those games?

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: Those games with the Showtime Lakers. No, I mean it

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: was pretty much when anyone can imagine, because Boston was

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01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: so good, you know, and when you're playing a competitor,

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta bring your game, you gotta you

1262
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: can't bring your b games always the a game, and

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01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: then you had the crowd was an element. You know.

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: The Boston fans were legit, you know, they were behind

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: their team, so they came with everything they had, uh,

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01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: And it was always fun going to Boston because it

1267
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: was a real disdain dislike for the Lakers, you know,

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: and they always wanted to make sure they established the

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01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: fact that they are the best and dominant team in

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Speaker 1: really city and their own in their own mind. Uh.

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01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: And so it's really really cool. And the and the

1272
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: floor and the garden itself was you know, you know,

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01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: it was history. You go in as all the banners.

1274
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: It's like those college teams that walk into you know,

1275
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: Polly Pavilion and you look up and you see the banners. Uh.

1276
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: It was you know, overwhelming from you know when you

1277
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: first walk in there, because you're like, dang, and uh,

1278
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: it took some time to like get it right and

1279
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: get it you know, Hey, you you gotta go and

1280
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: once again you gotta step up and be ready to

1281
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: play most volatile court, to play in most volatile arena. Philly.

1282
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: Those guys they're serious out there too. Where would you

1283
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: say it is the most volatile in those days? Well,

1284
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: it was definitely on the East coast. And yeah, I'll

1285
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: give Boston definitely some love on that area Philly for

1286
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: their hate you know, um, Detroit, what about the guy

1287
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: in Washington They used to show up at the games,

1288
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: and um, he was a lawyer, I think, and to

1289
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: come down and help. But yeah, you guys, and you're

1290
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: not kidding man, Robert vicker Man, he was so. I

1291
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: heard stories Byron told me some stories. Virus Scott told

1292
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: me story. I guess, um, when James got in trouble whatnot.

1293
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: You guys thought he wasn't gonna show up at the game.

1294
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: He showed up, like he comes stumping down the steps like, um,

1295
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: here you know, so what do you the competitive advantages

1296
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: that like, um team used to try to put you

1297
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: guys through, like going to Boston having extremely hot in

1298
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: the locker rooms during arena, Like what do you think about?

1299
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: Like how was that was that real? Were they really

1300
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: doing those little tricks? No, No, that that's a hundred

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01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: and that's that's one right there. They were definitely being

1302
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics. It was any leverage, any as you

1303
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: can create and you can get it was you know,

1304
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: it was real. So yeah, hot water didn't work. Um,

1305
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, I remember the first time stretching on the

1306
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: parquet floor me ure during our shoot around the day

1307
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: of the game, and I just do one of those

1308
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: legovers where you just all of a sudden, you lean

1309
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: over and you're just getting that little stretch with you know,

1310
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: your right leg going over and next thing on like

1311
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: on top of a screw that's coming out the floor.

1312
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: And I'm and I like, because something obviously poked me.

1313
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what is that? And it literally was

1314
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: a screw on the parking board. I'm like, man, And

1315
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: so I told the guys and they're like, oh man,

1316
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: they got everything, trust me. This is like he said,

1317
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: you won't believe what's gonna happen. Fire alarm goes off

1318
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: pretty much every other time we went into Boston. We

1319
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: always at the same hotel, and the fire alarm will

1320
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: go off. Never he's going to go off at eight

1321
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, you know, noon, three o'clock in

1322
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: the afternoon. No, it's always like midnight at the earliest

1323
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: to four o'clock in the morning. The same the super Bowl. Same, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1324
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't believe. I wouldn't be surprised if you

1325
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: got a Brady's jersey. Also the fire alarm band, it

1326
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: it's the two men. We've here. We're here with a C. Green,

1327
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: one of the most positive iconic players to ever play

1328
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: the game a c Let me ask you a question.

1329
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: You played with pat Riley and Phil Jackson. I know

1330
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: it's you can't it's it's it's hard to articulate in

1331
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: this short form what it was the difference in styles

1332
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: with Phil and pat Riley, you know, as far as

1333
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: them being a coach being a leader. What would you say,

1334
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: how would differentiates between those two guys. Well, you had

1335
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: a chance to play with what we call baby rals

1336
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: of cores Byron. Okay, we're definitely gonna get to that.

1337
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna have this discussion, alright, So I'll set it up.

1338
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: That's by saying that you know, you don't know Phil. Well,

1339
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: let's start with coach Riley is the more intense person, okay,

1340
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: just I mean the kind of guy that if he

1341
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: needed us to be ready for that particular game, he

1342
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: he himself is going to come into the locker room

1343
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: full of sweat, okay, and he's going to communicate his

1344
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: message like it is the last two minutes in the game,

1345
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: and it's a fiery speech that he's just drilling home

1346
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: the key points. And so he his his tenacity was

1347
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: one that it just constantly protruded just throughout the locker

1348
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: room and even in the time outs, it was always

1349
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: just like that. That was just him. Coach Phil Jackson

1350
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: on the other hand, and that same scenario, it's just

1351
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: more of a calmer approach. You know, He's like, guys,

1352
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: we gotta get hey, we gotta close, you know, close

1353
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: the middle. We gotta make sure they shoot over the top.

1354
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: And when they you know, contest the shots. Coach Roley,

1355
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: close the dog going middle. Make sure you put your

1356
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: hand in their face if you gotta follow folo. And

1357
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, it was just one of those kind of things.

1358
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: And so you're like, you just learned and adapted to

1359
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: the personalities. But it was all just a set up.

1360
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: Because I want to hear Kenyank my teammates Scott is

1361
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: definitely from pat Riley's um school of training, right. So

1362
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: pat started this thing. It's called easy run. Listen. Riley

1363
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: started this. Pat Riley started easy Run, which I don't

1364
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: know if he got it from somebody, but it is

1365
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: the single hardest thing that I've done since I've been

1366
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: in the NBA. What is it, It's a run. It's

1367
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: not easy. For the time on the clock. They say

1368
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: they put twenty minutes on the clock. Right, and you

1369
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: line up free throw line extand you've got two lines

1370
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: line of free throw line extended, and they say go

1371
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: and you run. You put your hands up right. You

1372
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: gotta rounch your hands up. When you get to the

1373
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: other baseline, you do defensive slides. You get to the

1374
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: base on the corner of the baseline, you back pedal,

1375
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: get to the other end, slide, hands up, run, slide backwards,

1376
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: run slide twenty minutes straight. You go outside and run

1377
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: backwards for ten minutes. A problem with what you're talking about.

1378
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: Your calves are gonna burn so bad. Listen, man, I

1379
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: was a rookie. I'm coming off of turning my ligaments

1380
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: in my ankle, breaking my leg in college my senior year,

1381
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: and this is the first thing that I have to

1382
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: do in training camp. That's how he sets it off

1383
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: on real verified this acreen. Oh no, it started with rouse.

1384
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: Where did you get this cock com ami idea? From

1385
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: this cock com ami idea? Or we can talk about

1386
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: it now, but we weren't gonna dare ask him that

1387
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: you know my old means because and it came at

1388
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: the end of practice. You know, Scott flipped it. See Scott,

1389
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: that's the first thing we did that's torture is that

1390
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: like it's unreal man like. So so the next year,

1391
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm a thinker, I'm s listening. So

1392
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: the next year, I'm like, I got some fighting. So

1393
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: I would run forward, but when it's time to back pedal,

1394
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: I would slide my feet. I'm sliding them back so

1395
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: I ain't gotta run on my toes back. So I'm

1396
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm preserving, I'm saving my calf. I'm saying, I'm sliding them.

1397
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna listen, I'm gonna figure this out.

1398
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: Not again, not a game like that was bad. It

1399
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: was bad. There, there's there's images in your head. Off

1400
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: you Kareem abdul Jabbar, Magic Johnson and the whole crew

1401
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: doing this Captain the Big Cap, everybody, No, no one's out,

1402
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: No one's out at all now. Phil Jackson, on the

1403
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: other hand, in our training camp, we wouldn't have two

1404
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: days and we would go. Yes, we would Coach Roley

1405
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: love Hawaii, so well give him credit. He adopted, but

1406
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: still would hit Hawaii. But Phil Jackson would I love

1407
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: doing just a basic one a ninety minute practice session, okay,

1408
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: and it's putting plays in, you know, putting five on those.

1409
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: And so I go from what you just described to

1410
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson Laker training camp one practice ninety minutes as

1411
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: opposed to three hours, and I'm and I walk out

1412
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: of practice and I'm looking like, you know, if someone

1413
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna grab me and a collar, and it's like pull

1414
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: me back in and say no, it's not over yet,

1415
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: because I'm like, it's out of it. Are we really done?

1416
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was not only one practice for three hours, right,

1417
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: two of days each practice three hours. Like these kids

1418
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: things they listen, man, they're on time restraints. Listen, they're

1419
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: sitting out of games. Listen like they start like the

1420
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: stuff that they see them had to go through. Man,

1421
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: when they was like and they primed and coming up

1422
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: like the coach of stuff that they were doing, man

1423
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: like to travel in the training like everything man like.

1424
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: It was rough on those guys. Man, And they're the ones, like,

1425
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: in my opinion, they deserved to be getting paid all

1426
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: the money because they had the hardest man Like, they

1427
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: standing the city. They played, stay in the city, and

1428
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: they got to get up and catch the first flight

1429
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: out man the next morning, regular fight like a regular

1430
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 1: flight man, there's only limited first class seats, so just say,

1431
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: s a rookie, right, he got to sit in the

1432
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: back with the comic folks. He's I'm saying, all right,

1433
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: like we can't sit in the back of the p

1434
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: but the veterans get first choice, like they like trying

1435
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: and stuff like they didn't have um all the equipment

1436
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: and all the stuff that we have now in order

1437
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: for recovery and all a minuteyed to go literally put

1438
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: ice in a trash can and for recovery, man like

1439
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: this and the stuff that they were going through, like

1440
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: and for people not to pay the homage and respect

1441
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: and respect the stuff that they had to get through

1442
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: to get to this point. And now guys want to

1443
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: sit out of games. Man, it's ass and iron man.

1444
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: A C. Green played in one thousand, two hundred seventy

1445
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: eight games at A one thousand two games. You missed

1446
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: three games in your career. A C. Now, now a

1447
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: lot of that is God blessed luck because there's no

1448
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: serious injuries. When did you become aware that this was

1449
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: something that was like when did you become aware that, like, yeah,

1450
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't miss the game. Was it something you you

1451
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: you took pride in was it something you just it

1452
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: just sort of happened, and then it became sort of

1453
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: part of your allure and part of you know, what

1454
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: you did like when that became a thing and parties?

1455
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: What do you think about guys like, look, I'm gonna

1456
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: leave Lebron out of it, he's got tread on the tires.

1457
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: But what do you think about guys sitting out games,

1458
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, three weeks into the season, injury free. So

1459
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a two part question. Well, for first of all,

1460
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: I think, um, I was I was raised you know

1461
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: by two southern parents, you know, Oklahoma and Texas, Okay,

1462
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: and so you can imagine down south, you know you

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Speaker 1: you know you you know what work is and hard

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Speaker 1: work is, and so that's pretty much what work came

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Speaker 1: from the culture of going to work. I saw my

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Speaker 1: parents get up, go to work. I'm coming home from school,

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Speaker 1: one's going in the house, one comes out of the house,

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Speaker 1: and their tag teaming and and providing for me and

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Speaker 1: my three brothers and sisters. And so I saw the

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Speaker 1: pattern of going to work and define the definition of

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Speaker 1: hard work. And so when I inside of me, so

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Speaker 1: when I went on and was you know, like you said,

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Speaker 1: bless the really to go to the league. Um, if

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Speaker 1: I could breathe, I could play. Right. It was just

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: as simple as that. You know, you just went on

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Speaker 1: and did work and uh, some things you played well,

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Speaker 1: some days you didn't. But the attitude and you're going

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01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: and ready and showing up to work, that's what you did.

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Speaker 1: And so to your second point is it's very simple. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I get it today, but I don't understand it, okay,

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: because obviously you know, but we know there's elements. We

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01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,959
Speaker 1: know people get hurt, but you know, put in the perspective,

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: like you said, you're just coming into the first month

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Speaker 1: of the season and you're getting the rest ay. You know.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna let Kenyan answer that one because

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop there, like I had a problem with

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Speaker 1: at all. And let me say so. So they got

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: this new thing or started when I was in New

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01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: York I was playing for the Knicks that they they

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01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: put this best on you and there's a chip that

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: they put next computer and all this so they try

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01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: to monitor your workload, right, and they put in the

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01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: chip there if you're working out whatever they like, they

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: hold guys out of practice. The next day, because your

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Speaker 1: workload is over a thousand, right, But for me, if

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm in shape right, and if I'm in basketball shape,

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Speaker 1: in the shape that I know I'm in to go

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Speaker 1: out and play basketball, that chip can tell you how

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Speaker 1: hard I'm working because basketball is easy for me because

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Speaker 1: I think the game first and form. But I'll put

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: myself in position in situations to where it's smarter, not harder.

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01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: So you can't tell me that my workload is not

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01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: the same as the next guy. You know, so they're

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: baby in him minute and like in this aspect. So

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: God's a practice one day and you come in next

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01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: day and he in there like we're getting ready and

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: he ain't getting taped. I'm like what, Like what's Oh,

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: his workload was over a thousand, and like that's wow.

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: Like it's like how like really, now, like who are

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01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: you to say that I'm not working hard? Like I

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: dare you? So therefore they was this thing like can

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01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: you can you please put the chip on? No, I'm

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: not putting the chip on a C. Green. I gotta

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Speaker 1: let you go. I just want to tell you I

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Speaker 1: I really respect and appreciate all that you did in

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Speaker 1: the league, all that you do with the A. C.

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01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: Green Youth Foundation. You've been a great moral role model

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Speaker 1: when you played continuing to be a part of the NBA.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, with all due respect, one of

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: the illest Jerry Curls to ever walk the earth. The

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Speaker 1: first couple of years in the league, it was astounding. UM.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the Two Man. We've

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Speaker 1: um pleasure to see you again. I've seen you throughout

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Speaker 1: the years. You look fantastic and continue doing your thing

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Speaker 1: and continue to do it in a positive way because

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Speaker 1: I know that to draw about it's the two Man.

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Speaker 1: We've a C. Green joining us, Kenyan Martin. My name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Rapport. Will be right back on NBA on

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Speaker 1: tune in