Speaker 1: My name is Clay Knucomb, and this is a production
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you
Speaker 1: by Tokvi's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've
Speaker 1: been wearing to Covis for years. The most comfortable boot
Speaker 1: I've ever put on. Good boots for good times.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since you've been on the Render
Speaker 2: it we let you have a little cool off period.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. After the last time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, after the incident.
Speaker 3: After the incident yet there was we're kidding dead.
Speaker 5: Almo just kicked off completely. But I got a reprieve
Speaker 5: and here I am.
Speaker 3: Well, it's good. We're glad to have you back.
Speaker 6: I knew better than coming in here and not wearing clothing. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I knew.
Speaker 3: I see that one. We cut that one.
Speaker 2: We've got uh we man, We've got the We've got
Speaker 2: the crew back together. Do we have Gary Believer? But
Speaker 2: we've got Brent Reeves here. I am ringing Wow after
Speaker 2: all that. No, it's not it's Dad. That's what gets you,
Speaker 2: That's what gets you on the rent of Brent. Great
Speaker 2: to see you. It's been a while.
Speaker 7: It has been as well, it's been it's been a while.
Speaker 7: I couldn't I head can't tell you.
Speaker 4: When it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while since you've been up here.
Speaker 8: I think it's when the meat Eater crew is here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably was. Yeah. We also have doctor Misty
Speaker 1: Nukeomb with us. Happy to be here, and we've got
Speaker 1: Gary Nukkem in the Covis hot seat.
Speaker 3: Bear John Newcomb's here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start off with uh, Josh Josh Langbridge spelmakers here.
Speaker 4: Oh there he is.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I just with the immaculate mustache.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: Bear, tell us about your boat.
Speaker 2: What do you got, Well, this is the same boat
Speaker 2: I brought last time, but I've got turn. I've got
Speaker 2: something crazy on here, probably the craziest thing that I've
Speaker 2: worked with yet. I glued on last night a piece
Speaker 2: of a sperm whale tooth for the tip overlays on
Speaker 2: my boat. That was given to me by Alaskan guy
Speaker 2: David Bennett's. But the thing about sperm whale tooth is
Speaker 2: it has to be over one hundred It has to
Speaker 2: be grandfathered in before the marine Mammal Protection Act in
Speaker 2: order to be able to use it. And this so
Speaker 2: this sperm whale tooth, it's over one hundred years old.
Speaker 2: So cut some little piece off and put.
Speaker 4: It on the bow.
Speaker 9: Very cool, yea, very cool.
Speaker 3: And it's the Osae Grange bow.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: I got it shooting, got the handle finished up and
Speaker 2: U yeah. Now I'm just putting the art on it.
Speaker 2: Got some wood burning I'm going to do in it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 9: What kind of art are we looking at?
Speaker 3: You'll just have to see.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, patent pending.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 2: Well, we're just going to go around the room here
Speaker 2: to do just a small show and tell for those
Speaker 2: of you that aren't watching the the YouTube video.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm wearing my new boxing gloves, boxing gloves.
Speaker 1: These are my black bear mits made to me by
Speaker 1: Jacob at New England Naturals on Instagram. And this is
Speaker 1: a prime black bear fur envision big huge mits that
Speaker 1: go up almost to your elbow, like to your forearm.
Speaker 1: Inside of these myts, though, is sheered beaver, so on
Speaker 1: the outside it's prime black bear, on the inside it's beaver.
Speaker 1: But the the the palls of it are leather and
Speaker 1: Marino wool. So there's actually some dexterity, like you know,
Speaker 1: you could like pick up rocks or or or ride
Speaker 1: a snowmobile, eat a hot dog, eat a hot dog.
Speaker 10: And also as you could, you could also draw two
Speaker 10: eyes hand puppets.
Speaker 8: It looks like it looks like a furry cookie monster.
Speaker 9: Convert to hand puppets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm really excited about these because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: soon to be.
Speaker 3: I'm soon to be the Far North.
Speaker 8: You're departing soon.
Speaker 1: To the Far North, and uh going to be in
Speaker 1: the most extreme temperatures on the globe for a while.
Speaker 3: So I'll be wearing.
Speaker 1: These these these aren't these aren't show bear these aren't
Speaker 1: for show. These are some go yeah, some socks, just
Speaker 1: a whole bear.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because everybody there's gonna be something up there wearing
Speaker 7: a bear suit.
Speaker 4: That wants to reach.
Speaker 3: No doubt doubt.
Speaker 1: Uh So we uh, I just want to say, as
Speaker 1: a like a news alert, the bear Grease YouTube channels
Speaker 1: up in Rolling. We've got three episodes up and the
Speaker 1: last episode was Cooking with Mom.
Speaker 3: I loved it was a banger.
Speaker 8: I loved it made me want to eat eggrolls real bad.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they looked good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a
Speaker 10: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so there was a hog hunt with Bear with
Speaker 1: a self bow where he killed a hog. There was
Speaker 1: a squirrel hunt, and then now this one, and again
Speaker 1: if you went there, you wouldn't. You'd be looking at
Speaker 1: what appears to be a fully built out YouTube channel
Speaker 1: with you know, on eighty five that eighty something thousand subscribers.
Speaker 1: And that's because me and Bear pretty much when Bear
Speaker 1: was a little kid. I'm gonna give Bear the credit
Speaker 1: for it. We started a YouTube channel and at the
Speaker 1: time is Bear Hunting Magazine, And there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: the stuff on there that Brent filmed for me, a
Speaker 1: whole lot of the films on there.
Speaker 3: Before he was Brent, back when he was just cameraman,
Speaker 3: Brent Reeves cameraman. He didn't even have a name, I didn't.
Speaker 3: He just was like cameraman.
Speaker 8: And I don't get introduced on the render anymore.
Speaker 2: So the the we just changed the name of the channel.
Speaker 3: Bear is primarily taking it over.
Speaker 1: But I mean I'll be on there, some Brent's gonna
Speaker 1: be on there, some brenton Bear film.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 2: This week I filmed a little coon hunt with a
Speaker 2: bowl with a bow.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, next week.
Speaker 2: Next week, We've got an elk hunt with the self
Speaker 2: bow that I did in New Mexico where I stayed
Speaker 2: in the cabin that is seen on the movie Lonesome Dove,
Speaker 2: and I'd hike out of there every morning and go
Speaker 2: el hunt.
Speaker 3: That's a twist, Yeah, how cool. It was a super
Speaker 3: cool trip. What what else we got coming up on
Speaker 3: the bear grease?
Speaker 2: So the week after that, we've got a hawk trapping
Speaker 2: video where I went down to South Texas with my
Speaker 2: buddy Aaron Kincaid and.
Speaker 3: We trapped Harris hawks. He's a he's a falconer.
Speaker 2: We trapped Harris socks out of the wild and then
Speaker 2: he trained him for six weeks and then we went
Speaker 2: hunting with him in North Carolina. So it's a pretty
Speaker 2: crazy video. But we're gonna we're gonna get into a
Speaker 2: lot of the kind of the ethics around it, but
Speaker 2: also the just partnership with the natural world that you
Speaker 2: don't really think about whenever you're thinking about falconry. But
Speaker 2: it's this ancient sport. It's it's as ancient as far
Speaker 2: as we have written history of and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: just like using a dog, except you're actually going and
Speaker 2: trapping it out of the wild.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's really wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We also have a hog hunt on Mules and Oklahoma
Speaker 1: with Dale Brisbee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, alter of Turnpike Tributors coming up.
Speaker 1: We went over there, had a big expedition with those
Speaker 1: guys over in Oklahoma. That's going to be an episode
Speaker 1: on that channel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So lots of cool stuff coming up. We've also got
Speaker 1: a real.
Speaker 2: Bear grease Instagram page which you can catch all the action.
Speaker 4: You bet there.
Speaker 1: And you guys are going to be at the Black
Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza, is that right, Brent?
Speaker 4: Yeah, March seventh, March.
Speaker 8: Seventh, that's neck. Well when this comes out, it'll be
Speaker 8: that Saturday after this comes out. Wow, So yeah, yep,
Speaker 8: three days after this comes out.
Speaker 3: So the Black Bear Bonanza in Bentonville.
Speaker 4: Bentonville be there or b Square said.
Speaker 1: What do y'all know about? So it's unfortunate. This is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite events of the year. But I
Speaker 1: won't be there, but someone better than me will be there,
Speaker 1: completely better than me.
Speaker 3: Brian Callahan.
Speaker 10: Okay, all of us thought it was going to be
Speaker 10: us exactly.
Speaker 7: We were all, yeah, well you you shouldphrase that as
Speaker 7: somebody else better than.
Speaker 3: Me, someone else better than me.
Speaker 2: Along with Brent Josh Bear, you might be there, miss him,
Speaker 2: not sure make a cameo. But Brian Callahan, who's now
Speaker 2: the CEO of Back Country Hunters and English who are
Speaker 2: who are doing the hard work of con preservation of
Speaker 2: wild lands and hunting rights in this country.
Speaker 3: They truly are.
Speaker 1: I had a guy that I really value and appreciate
Speaker 1: this morning. Send me something out here in Arkansas about
Speaker 1: a dog related issue. Basically, they're trying to make it
Speaker 1: where all dogs, any dog turned loose in the state
Speaker 1: has a track and train collar on it where you
Speaker 1: can track it and you could tone the dog to
Speaker 1: get it. You could shock the dog essentially to get
Speaker 1: it back if it crossed on the private land. Boy,
Speaker 1: that sounds really great. I mean, it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: even argue with except that it probably will functionally shut
Speaker 1: down any kind of pack dog pack hunting in the state.
Speaker 1: I mean, like when you run deer with dogs and
Speaker 1: you need more than one dog, like the coon hunters,
Speaker 1: is not that big a deal. Most coon hunters probably
Speaker 1: have that already on their dog.
Speaker 7: Most No, I think that's gonna be. It would be
Speaker 7: and I know this is not what we're talking about,
Speaker 7: but I'm not for it at all. I think it
Speaker 7: would be a if I was just getting into it
Speaker 7: as a young man. That stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: gonna keep some folks out that.
Speaker 4: Want to do it right. I'm absolutely not for that
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's just it's an issue, you know, and
Speaker 1: uh and you know I'm currently addressing it here. But
Speaker 1: it's it's basically legislation that is in advert certainly going
Speaker 1: to dramatically hurt hound hunting. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like private landownership issues deserve to be addressed because I
Speaker 1: could be a private landowner and people's dogs are constantly
Speaker 1: running through my land and I don't like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand that we just have to acknowledge that, and
Speaker 1: I think dog hunters like me have to acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: So what's the solution.
Speaker 7: I don't know how to control of your dogs. I
Speaker 7: can control I can call my dog away from a tree.
Speaker 3: Could yeah, with your track and train though.
Speaker 4: No, with my voice.
Speaker 3: Well I saw it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I believe that it's a different story when you've
Speaker 1: got packs of dogs running big game though, because they're
Speaker 1: long ways off in different places. So it's so those
Speaker 1: are the kind of things and to me, that's like
Speaker 1: a bigger issue of as well, talk to your talk
Speaker 1: to your there's there's questions on the game and fish
Speaker 1: right now. Point of all this is that there's issues
Speaker 1: going on all over the place. Can y'all take me seriously,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the fur band in Colorado.
Speaker 3: It's guys like Ryan Callahan.
Speaker 1: I think Dan Gates and those guys with Coloradden's for
Speaker 1: Responsible Wildlife Management are doing a great job.
Speaker 2: How for wildlife doing an incredible job North American Bear found.
Speaker 1: I mean you could just go through the Wild Sheep Foundation,
Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation, Turkey's for tomorrow, just like everybody's
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff.
Speaker 3: So bear great segue into I like t actually is
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of us don't like to talk
Speaker 1: about really what's going on.
Speaker 3: We need a name for this segment to be thinking
Speaker 3: bears Conservation corner. Yep, oh yeah, there we go, Conservation.
Speaker 4: Corner now so so we know quit thinking now? Yeah yeah? Thinking? Okay? Done?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well you were talking about the fur band. That's
Speaker 2: what we're talking about today. Yeah, so basically, I've got
Speaker 2: my notes here pulled up. Colorado is trying to make
Speaker 2: it to where you can no longer sell furs, so
Speaker 2: like trapping and you know, trapping coyotes and beavers and
Speaker 2: stuff like that can no longer go up on the
Speaker 2: fur market. And it's not based off of any scientific evidence,
Speaker 2: is the issue. It's based off of a lot of
Speaker 2: politics and a lot of like basically, yeah, the you know,
Speaker 2: like wild life is managed by the state, and there's
Speaker 2: biologists for every critter that know exactly what that population
Speaker 2: is and they're studying it, making sure that all the
Speaker 2: numbers are good, and they're the ones who need to
Speaker 2: be setting the regulations for what can be taken out
Speaker 2: and what needs to be left alone. But in Colorado,
Speaker 2: what's happening is it is not those guys that are
Speaker 2: making the regulations.
Speaker 3: It's the politicians.
Speaker 2: And so there on May, Okay, March fourth and fifth,
Speaker 2: here's what you can do about this. March fourth and fifth,
Speaker 2: you can actually, sorry, you could actually go in person
Speaker 2: to a hearing in Denver, Colorado. May sixth and seventh,
Speaker 2: there's another one, and you could you can do it online,
Speaker 2: you can do it virtually. You could say something about it,
Speaker 2: you could write into the senators, or you could actually
Speaker 2: go in person to that event. But the key here
Speaker 2: is that we can't let the wildlife be managed by
Speaker 2: people who don't understand the science behind it. It needs
Speaker 2: to be scientifically regulated and that falls within the North
Speaker 2: American model of wildlife conservation.
Speaker 3: The further away we.
Speaker 2: Get from that, the less and less opportunity that we'll have,
Speaker 2: which ultimately will result in the fewer and fewer wild
Speaker 2: places that we.
Speaker 4: Have to go.
Speaker 7: So the dates that you're talking about, in those places,
Speaker 7: that's where citizens and voters can can make their opinions known.
Speaker 8: Yeah, voice their opinions in public.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if you live near Denver, you would you would
Speaker 2: be someone that might could consider going to something like that.
Speaker 2: But you can find all the addresses and everything on
Speaker 2: the Colorado's for Responsible Wildlife Management website and Instagram.
Speaker 10: It really does make a difference when people show up
Speaker 10: to that kind of stuff. It's good if you don't
Speaker 10: live near there to join online, but that's it really.
Speaker 10: In legislative circles, it makes a difference. The body count
Speaker 10: in the room.
Speaker 8: MM hmm a set of engagement.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good job Bear, Bear's conservation corner. Nice work, yes, BC, yep, yep, No,
Speaker 1: I do. I want to find ways to just continue.
Speaker 1: I mean the part of being a hunter in the
Speaker 1: days ahead and love and wild places. It's going to
Speaker 1: be just being more of an activist and understanding what's
Speaker 1: going on. So it's just part of what we do.
Speaker 1: So that's good.
Speaker 6: Brent.
Speaker 2: It's been so long since you've been here. I'm craving
Speaker 2: a story from Brent Reids.
Speaker 7: I was reminded just Bear came down for this video
Speaker 7: it's coming out when everyone on the baggery thing, and
Speaker 7: he said, he calls me. He says, I do you
Speaker 7: think that Whaling could treat a bear? That I could
Speaker 7: cheat with my boat? And my immediate response was that
Speaker 7: and I thought, COO, yeah, I'm sorry coon.
Speaker 4: Uh. And I actually talked about it on the podcast
Speaker 4: that came out this morning. Uh.
Speaker 7: And my immediate response was the question is do you
Speaker 7: think you could shoot a coon that my dog, Whaling
Speaker 7: could tree? Because I know he could treat one. So
Speaker 7: he came down. We got days together. He came down
Speaker 7: and he studied the house and for two nights we
Speaker 7: chased him, and.
Speaker 4: It was a valiant effort.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to give you anything a well, he
Speaker 7: can talk about what anything in particulars that happened in there.
Speaker 7: But on the second night, I squalled a coon down
Speaker 7: a tree to get it lower, and calamity ensued. And
Speaker 7: it reminded me of a hunt that my dad and
Speaker 7: I went on when I.
Speaker 4: Was just a kid.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 4: In high school.
Speaker 7: I think I was a junior in high school and
Speaker 7: I just got a new coon dog, and I had
Speaker 7: just had an appindectomy that kept me from playing in
Speaker 7: a football game. So instead of playing that game, as
Speaker 7: soon as it was over with, I got to leave.
Speaker 7: Me and my dad went counha and to take this
Speaker 7: puppy out. So Dad, we got to find something easy.
Speaker 7: And I got this stitch I had stayed and where
Speaker 7: my appendix had been, and I was sore moving around.
Speaker 7: He said, well, I know where there is a per
Speaker 7: ceme tree. We'll go over there and it's probably loaded
Speaker 7: with precimons. And we drive over. This place is right
Speaker 7: from an old chicken house, and sure enough it was.
Speaker 7: It was loaded because when we turned the corner and
Speaker 7: they had like a Christmas tree. All the eyes were
Speaker 7: looking looking at us. Any wasn't that The tree wasn't
Speaker 7: very big, So we.
Speaker 4: Pulled up to it. I got the dog out and
Speaker 4: let him out, and he's just he's just a puppy.
Speaker 7: He don't know what he's doing. And Dad so we
Speaker 7: need one of them coons down here on the ground. Well,
Speaker 7: when he said that, I started going up the tree.
Speaker 7: I started climbing up the tree and he's like, oh no, son, don't,
Speaker 7: don't you gonna tear your stables loose. I like, I'm good,
Speaker 7: I'm fine. So I got up there with him and
Speaker 7: I started shaking them and there's like five or six
Speaker 7: coons up there and they all hit the ground. Well,
Speaker 7: my dad and the dog was there. There wasn't another
Speaker 7: tree within one hundred yards of where we was at,
Speaker 7: so they all started coming right back up the tree
Speaker 7: I was in, and it kind of it got kind
Speaker 7: of loud and a little way that stiring up there
Speaker 7: for a little bit. I got coons going behind me
Speaker 7: beside me, crossing my leg and I shake the other
Speaker 7: one out and then finally it runs over and goes
Speaker 7: up on the fence post and I get down all
Speaker 7: the other coons are still up in the tree, so
Speaker 7: I get down and my dad said, we need we
Speaker 7: need that dog to wrestle when them coons do a
Speaker 7: little fight. And he said, I'm gonna find something kind
Speaker 7: of addle that coon that's on the fence post there
Speaker 7: and get him down there, and maybe that puppy he'll
Speaker 7: will wrestle, will fight him a little bit. And the
Speaker 7: only thing we could find we didn't have the tire
Speaker 7: to it was in the back of the truck that
Speaker 7: we tried to that's all. That's a told whole different story.
Speaker 7: But the only thing we could find was a board
Speaker 7: laying on the ground there. He said that said, I
Speaker 7: got this board here, and he said it's too heavy
Speaker 7: for you to pick up. You'll tear them staples loose.
Speaker 7: And it was a two to twelve and it was
Speaker 7: twelve foot long. It weighed it had been laying out
Speaker 7: in the rain. There's no time how much it weighed
Speaker 7: a hundred pounds or so. And my dad picked it up.
Speaker 7: Is all he could do to hold it. So that's
Speaker 7: what he's got.
Speaker 4: This thing. It was like a helicopter blade. And he said, I'm.
Speaker 7: Just gonna he said, I'm just going to kind of
Speaker 7: just touch him on top of the head when I'm
Speaker 7: when and knock him off that fence post and the
Speaker 7: dog and fight him was going to just instill the
Speaker 7: vigor and the fire in him. The hell would start
Speaker 7: chasing these coons. And he swung that thing around and
Speaker 7: hit that coon, and it was all he could do
Speaker 7: to swing it. And when he did, his aim was
Speaker 7: just a little off and he hit that tune, got
Speaker 7: coon on the top of the head and killed him dead.
Speaker 4: For he hit the ground. He just he fell off
Speaker 4: the post.
Speaker 7: The dog run over there and made two or three
Speaker 7: sniffs and looked back at us, like, what's the big
Speaker 7: deal about?
Speaker 4: Coonon? And that was the story.
Speaker 7: So we loaded the dog up and he eventually made
Speaker 7: a pretty decent dog. But it wasn't from that night.
Speaker 7: It was just way too much going on. It reminded me.
Speaker 3: Of Buddy Reeves and the helicopter coon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminded me of the what me and Bear
Speaker 4: did the other night. It was it got loud there
Speaker 4: for a while, didn't it. Well, it was it was
Speaker 4: loud that it.
Speaker 1: So Brent's always trying to get us to get a walker,
Speaker 1: and Bear is now and I hunted plots for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 3: Have I am now one for seven on plot coon
Speaker 3: dogs basically.
Speaker 1: And bears thinking about getting a dog, thinking about getting
Speaker 1: the blue tick, much to the chagrin of Brent.
Speaker 7: Now there's a there is a famous line of dogs,
Speaker 7: the blue Ticks, out of Arkansas, and now they're in
Speaker 7: Arkansas and in Missouri and they're very good and.
Speaker 3: I can't is it Vaughn?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's them, Vaughn blue Ticks. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're
Speaker 4: good dogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's some pretty good blue ticks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whenever I went coon hunting with Brent, I was reminded
Speaker 2: of how much I enjoyed coon hunting. It's a it's
Speaker 2: a fun way to hunt because you can bring people
Speaker 2: and have a good time. Like there's no pressure on
Speaker 2: the hunt at all. It's not like you have to
Speaker 2: be quiet or anything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were sitting there drinking coffee and talking about
Speaker 7: everything and yeah total. Of course we were toting arrows too,
Speaker 7: so that was.
Speaker 4: A lot of element.
Speaker 2: Now I'll tell you something interesting, though, is we shot
Speaker 2: at two coons total.
Speaker 3: The first night.
Speaker 2: I shot at one and it's too high up in
Speaker 2: the tree, and so I didn't the arrows didn't have
Speaker 2: enough power by the time they got there, but they'd
Speaker 2: go flying past this coon into the woods hundreds of
Speaker 2: yards away, and I would just think, there's no way
Speaker 2: I'm finding those arrows. But I walked in a straight
Speaker 2: line from where I shot it in all ten of
Speaker 2: my arrows were within like twenty feet.
Speaker 1: Are you you shot ten times?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and one arrow got stuck up
Speaker 2: in the tree right next to the coon.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Film on the cowboy moved there for a little bit,
Speaker 7: and it wasn't now, it wasn't hundreds of yards, it
Speaker 7: was tens of yards.
Speaker 3: They weren't going that far.
Speaker 7: No, well they would so so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was probably like the second coon is probably like
Speaker 2: sixty yards from where we were shooting at it.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, yeah, the arrows were and I said, you know,
Speaker 7: we should have thought and put some reflective tape on
Speaker 7: this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that would be.
Speaker 7: And then when we walked out there, it was like
Speaker 7: here's one, here's one, here's one.
Speaker 8: So you found all of them.
Speaker 3: I came in there with a dozen and I left.
Speaker 4: Out of there with eight.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 3: Big bottom lands though? Kind of open ground?
Speaker 4: Well, we had.
Speaker 7: We had initially hunted this place because it's got, it's
Speaker 7: got a ridge, it's got it's full of black jack
Speaker 7: oaks and they're maybe thirty feet tall, and I've tree
Speaker 7: coons in there all the time. They're fifteen feet off
Speaker 7: the ground, which would have been just perfect for him
Speaker 7: to come down there and shoot with this with his
Speaker 7: self bow. But it's been so dry there wasn't any
Speaker 7: coons in there. And I hunted there four nights in
Speaker 7: a row trying to find up there, and they were
Speaker 7: all down in the bottom down. Oh, so that was
Speaker 7: the shortest timber in that area that that we went to.
Speaker 2: Both both coons were at about forty foot or a
Speaker 2: little over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was our estimate.
Speaker 3: It was a poke forty foot. Yeah, that's a long ways.
Speaker 2: The second one, my arrows they weren't quite making it
Speaker 2: up there, so that's why we squalled it down.
Speaker 3: But you can watch the full video here.
Speaker 2: In a couple of weeks happened, lots of suspense, lots
Speaker 2: of suspense.
Speaker 8: I'll be waiting until noon, soon as noon. That video
Speaker 8: better be.
Speaker 3: Out noon on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of the arrow that's stuck in the tree,
Speaker 1: that will one day be cut down.
Speaker 3: By a logger.
Speaker 9: Okay, we just nice.
Speaker 1: We just came out with a series called American Logger,
Speaker 1: and we we had the the lines cousins and brothers
Speaker 1: on the last render from part one and and part
Speaker 1: if you if you haven't caught up on it and
Speaker 1: just maybe you're maybe you're new to the podcast and
Speaker 1: you know our render. This this podcast is where we
Speaker 1: talk about really what we're here to do. My my,
Speaker 1: my main thing that I enjoy doing is these bear
Speaker 1: grease documentary style episodes. And we we talked to Cody
Speaker 1: and Klein Velnes about their multi generational history with their
Speaker 1: father's grandfather and even further back than that of logging
Speaker 1: into the ozarks. And these guys are logging, uh cutting
Speaker 1: trees by hand, which that's a phrase that would be
Speaker 1: used in the industry because so much of it now
Speaker 1: is mechanized and they're cutting trees with big cutters and uh,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people that's still cut by hand.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's unheard of. Cut by hand doesn't
Speaker 1: mean a hand powered saw. It means using the chainsaw
Speaker 1: cut trees. But uh, it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: dangerous dangerous.
Speaker 3: Occupation. We you know, the Bureau of Labor.
Speaker 1: Statistics shows that logan is I'm pretty sure it's still
Speaker 1: the most dangerous industry in America. Really yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: but it's less dangerous than it was. In nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: there was.
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty eight deaths per one hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Loggers in America.
Speaker 1: Wow, which which the number two was commercial fishing, which
Speaker 1: Brent is a commercial fisherman.
Speaker 8: That's right, he's done.
Speaker 1: It was like in the fifties or sixty per one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, so you can see it was almost I
Speaker 1: think it was double the amount of guys that were
Speaker 1: getting killed by logan, and I explained this on episode one.
Speaker 1: But today logan is much safer, and I think there's
Speaker 1: in the like sixty, well just between the fifty and
Speaker 1: one hundred logger deaths per one hundred thousand. But so
Speaker 1: it's come way down and it might even be in
Speaker 1: the sixties. It was unclear to me, like today what
Speaker 1: that statistic is though it had come down a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was a lot because of mechanization, but the
Speaker 1: danger still exists. And I just found it so interesting
Speaker 1: that these guys that I knew who. I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't pick them. They were just randomly the guys that
Speaker 1: I knew and was friends with. And I've known they
Speaker 1: were loggers for as long as I've known them, and
Speaker 1: I've talked to them about it and always been intrigued
Speaker 1: by it. But it's not like they're doing anything really
Speaker 1: even that unique in that part of the world, in
Speaker 1: the industry here in the Ozarks, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: do y'all have any stories of nearly getting killed?
Speaker 3: And it's like filling up. I mean, they didn't even.
Speaker 1: Those were Those were just the stories they told, just
Speaker 1: almost off the cuff, I mean, without even much preparation,
Speaker 1: and you kind of started to see how dangerous that
Speaker 1: logging is. And so this part two, Part Part one
Speaker 1: was Kaitlin and Cody, who were about my age, a
Speaker 1: little bit younger in the early forties, guys in our prime,
Speaker 1: you know, as we say. But on the second episode
Speaker 1: we talked to Teddy Vilaines, who is who is Cody's father,
Speaker 1: and he told some wild stories.
Speaker 2: Dad, what stood out to you about the episodes? Did
Speaker 2: you enjoy them?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: I really did.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed their character.
Speaker 5: Wonderful, wonderful family and I guess my favorite story, even
Speaker 5: though I enjoyed every second of it, but when a
Speaker 5: guy got I think it was Teddy got the chainsaw all.
Speaker 6: Hung up in his shoulder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, running, you know, well, there's a lot of there's
Speaker 5: a lot to look at there.
Speaker 6: I mean, he had some old equipment.
Speaker 5: The breaker bar was broken and another piece was broken,
Speaker 5: and he could he wouldn't stop. It's running in his
Speaker 5: stinking shoulder and the muscle's falling off, and he just
Speaker 5: kept working. You know. He finally got it out, got
Speaker 5: his finger where he could get it out, and he like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: patch this thing up.
Speaker 6: We got a load of logs. We got to get
Speaker 6: out of here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So anyway, I mean there, they're amazing people, dedicated people.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: The objective was to make a living for their stinking
Speaker 5: family at all costs and do it with integrity. Very impressive,
Speaker 5: very impressive.
Speaker 4: It is, it is.
Speaker 3: And man, those those story.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're around people and maybe you've you've
Speaker 1: you've come into their circle and you just start hearing
Speaker 1: their stories.
Speaker 3: And I do that a lot in this podcast.
Speaker 1: Just interviewing people, you you quickly see kind of an
Speaker 1: emphasis that comes from just the lifestyle that they live,
Speaker 1: and these guys talk a lot just about toughness, honestly,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't come It struck me, especially with Teddy
Speaker 1: and Kaylen Cody. It doesn't come from a place of bravado.
Speaker 1: I'm macho, masculine, I'm tougher than you. You get that
Speaker 1: sometimes and that that's not that appealing for somebody.
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying. Teddy.
Speaker 2: When Teddy told that story that, he's just like, well,
Speaker 2: you asked me if anything crazy ever happened, this happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I've known those guys for quite a long time and
Speaker 1: he's never told me that story, you know. But I
Speaker 1: want to emphasize that because you you might. I noted
Speaker 1: that like, they're not trying to be macho. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of the lifestyle and that. But they do value
Speaker 1: that toughness and it's not just toughness for toughness sake.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot behind it.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know another thing I noticed about that,
Speaker 5: and I've experienced it. We all have, I think women experiences.
Speaker 5: But you know, you're out in the woods, you're doing things,
Speaker 5: and you're you're hot, you're tired, and you sit down
Speaker 5: and eat a sandwich with a buddy. I mean that's
Speaker 5: like going to Disneyland. And I mean they treasured that
Speaker 5: time where they could sit down and talk and eat
Speaker 5: a thinking blowney sandwich probably, and I mean they loved it.
Speaker 6: And uh it was just.
Speaker 5: Uh the stuff they're doing seemed extreme, but we all
Speaker 5: experienced a.
Speaker 6: Little of it in our own little world, you know.
Speaker 5: And uh, they they're just high character.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They had a lot of camaraderie. They value that.
Speaker 1: I mean even Cody at the end, he summed it
Speaker 1: up so well. He was basically like, Clay, you asked.
Speaker 2: Me about the danger stuff, and I've told you those stories,
Speaker 2: he said, But that's not what I think about when
Speaker 2: I think of logging, he said, I think about the
Speaker 2: good days when nothing bad happened and we got a
Speaker 2: little logs out and we didn't almost die and we
Speaker 2: had a good sandwich together at lunch.
Speaker 6: Yeah. You know, one thing too, I think was really cool.
Speaker 5: They knew from communicating what people wanted to hear.
Speaker 6: I mean they don't want to hear. You know. We
Speaker 6: went out and got a.
Speaker 5: Lot of logs, we got paid it was so wonderful.
Speaker 5: We want to hear the tragedy. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 5: they acknowledge that that. You know, they they have these
Speaker 5: stories if you want to hear them. Yeah, and people
Speaker 5: that's what they want to hear, you know, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: what I want to hear.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So they're entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good storytellers. Yeah, they're good storytellers. Brent, what
Speaker 3: you listen to them? What do you think?
Speaker 7: Man, Well, to go along with what Gary said, it's
Speaker 7: a sense of duty that they had about the toughness.
Speaker 7: I mean, they were absolutely tough as woodpecker lips, but
Speaker 7: they it was just what they had to do to
Speaker 7: get the job done.
Speaker 3: Can't take it.
Speaker 2: Hey, not not to derail the conversation, but the other day,
Speaker 2: Brent and I were at National Wild Turkey.
Speaker 1: This is totally derailing the conversation. We're at National Wild
Speaker 1: Turkey Federation. Brent, We're in the same hotel room. Bears
Speaker 1: on the floor. I'm in a bed, Brent's another bed.
Speaker 1: Brent wakes up, goes to the bathroom. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: anyone's listening. I'm like asleep over there, and he walks
Speaker 1: into this little bitty bathroom and I hear him mumble
Speaker 1: under his breath. This is He said, it's so small
Speaker 1: in here. You couldn't cuss a cat without getting hair
Speaker 1: in your mouth.
Speaker 4: A little bathroom.
Speaker 1: And I woke up, like out of sleep, and I said,
Speaker 1: what did you just And he said, you couldn't cuss
Speaker 1: a cat in there without getting hair in your mouth.
Speaker 3: And he said, my grandma used to say that.
Speaker 2: He just went on, brushed his teeth. Yeah, went on
Speaker 2: about his day, carry on. What do you think about
Speaker 2: the logging episode, Well, toughest woodpecker lips.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it wasn't out of I'm so tough. I
Speaker 4: can do this. It's I I have to do this
Speaker 4: to provide for my family. I broke my collar bone when.
Speaker 7: I was a senior in high school and I have yet.
Speaker 7: Unless my mother hears about this, she will this will
Speaker 7: be when she learned about it.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't.
Speaker 7: I kept playing football because it's you can feel it
Speaker 7: right here. It's sidesteps that for the folks that ain't
Speaker 7: seeing my hands, it's it grew back wrong, m hm.
Speaker 7: Because I loved playing football so much. But I felt
Speaker 7: a sense of duty to all the folks on my
Speaker 7: team to stay there and now changed all my arm
Speaker 7: I'm probably gonna tell somebody, Yeah, but I get that
Speaker 7: sense of duty and my profession that I worked in
Speaker 7: for so long. That was how I was able to
Speaker 7: make it through a lot of places and a lot
Speaker 7: of things, and a lot of the folks that worked
Speaker 7: with me were was because we trusted each other and
Speaker 7: we depended on each other for so much that that
Speaker 7: sense of duty is very very strong, and the same
Speaker 7: with you know, taking care of your family. It's I
Speaker 7: got a lot out of it. I appreciated listen to it,
Speaker 7: and it was very good.
Speaker 1: What I appreciate about tapping in and what I would
Speaker 1: try to do every time I would talk to Teddy
Speaker 1: the lines and those guys people like that every single
Speaker 1: episode of Bear Grease. If I if I could, like
Speaker 1: I liked tap and then the people who never dreamt
Speaker 1: their stories would be told to the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like.
Speaker 1: Teddy Viliines, he wasn't doing that so he could tell
Speaker 1: a story. And I valued that, yeah, authenticity. And I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that just in terms of just yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of the rugged nature of what they're doing.
Speaker 7: It's just one of those things that I mean that
Speaker 7: was what was that Wednesday? Yeah, that happened on Wednesday,
Speaker 7: but Thursday was a great day. Yeah, yeah, nothing happened
Speaker 7: on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Misty, what do you think? Well, you want to
Speaker 3: put the bear gloves on?
Speaker 9: I would, I'd like to stick the cup of hands.
Speaker 9: I'm good.
Speaker 10: I don't have the colorful analogies that Brent has, but
Speaker 10: I thought I thought it was pretty amazing. You know,
Speaker 10: I had two grandpas, a great grandpa on my dad's
Speaker 10: side and a grandpa on my mom's dad. They were
Speaker 10: both loggers, and so we kind of heard pretty crazy
Speaker 10: logging story is growing up, and so a lot of
Speaker 10: that was familiar. And as I was listening to their stories,
Speaker 10: one of the things that kind of stuck out to
Speaker 10: me as he was telling the story about the truck,
Speaker 10: you know, going high speed down the hill.
Speaker 9: I was listening to it.
Speaker 10: One morning and there was just a lot, there was
Speaker 10: a lot going on in my world, and I was
Speaker 10: trying to, you know, resolve some problems, solve resolve some
Speaker 10: some kind of complex situations. And I was listening to
Speaker 10: that and he was talking about this crazy situation where
Speaker 10: this truck flying down the mountain and he's gonna die
Speaker 10: and he's got he's calculating all this stuff, and he
Speaker 10: just says, Lord help me.
Speaker 9: And and I.
Speaker 10: Thought, you know, there's some of the things that people
Speaker 10: that people do. There's some and or they used to do.
Speaker 10: There's there's a level of simplicity when when everything you know,
Speaker 10: when you're in a high risk, high danger situation, everything
Speaker 10: all the other options go away. Like he's thinking through
Speaker 10: the complex things like if I get in that field,
Speaker 10: I'm going to or if I if I hit that
Speaker 10: go over here, I'm going to hit the bluff. And
Speaker 10: you know, so he's thinking through all these things. But
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, it's just like, Lord
Speaker 10: help me. There's really not much left but that. And
Speaker 10: and this was before he got to kind of the
Speaker 10: point of the story, and I just thought, man, that's
Speaker 10: there are a lot that's a simple solution and a
Speaker 10: good solution, like the best solution. And then he goes
Speaker 10: on to talk about just you know, you're not in control,
Speaker 10: you're not in control. And he kind of got to
Speaker 10: that place rapidly as his life, you know, could have
Speaker 10: had minutes left in it, you know, as he was
Speaker 10: as he was calculating what he needed to do, and
Speaker 10: he got he got to this most simple solution, and
Speaker 10: I just thought, there's a I think sometimes life can
Speaker 10: be so complex, so and that really those simple solutions
Speaker 10: still still work. Still still Lord helped me work for
Speaker 10: about every solution, every problem you got, you know that
Speaker 10: that that'll help. And then when his son was talking
Speaker 10: about it and he said, and I just saw him,
Speaker 10: and I just.
Speaker 9: Said, oh, Lord, help him, Lord Lord.
Speaker 10: And that was kind of both of their both of
Speaker 10: their response and that in that situation, and I just thought,
Speaker 10: you know, that we could simplify things a whole lot.
Speaker 9: And I kind of thought about my own situation that
Speaker 9: that that I was.
Speaker 10: Dealing with, and I think, I think raising kids, raising
Speaker 10: a family, there's just a whole lot of challenges that
Speaker 10: come in and and I've got some ideas about those things.
Speaker 10: I've got ideas about raising kids, but I've got ideas
Speaker 10: about you know, I've got degrees and child development and
Speaker 10: family and and at.
Speaker 9: The end of the day, sometimes just all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Knowed is powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's what I said in the podcast about
Speaker 1: what Teddy said, because somebody might somebody might hear that,
Speaker 1: and in that moment, in that situation, he said he
Speaker 1: learned that God was in control. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why would that be important? I mean, because that's not
Speaker 1: actually an answer to the to the to the problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, the answer to the problem would have been
Speaker 1: to the truck to stop, or for for it never
Speaker 1: to have happened, or or for him to have been
Speaker 1: able to turn it and gain control. And and that's I
Speaker 1: just got to thinking about it, like why is it so?
Speaker 2: Why is it so revelational? Like it's not intellectual knowledge.
Speaker 1: There's a probably not out of ten Americans, maybe seven
Speaker 1: out of ten would say God's in control?
Speaker 3: But why is it valuable? And and and I.
Speaker 1: Think it's really about, like what I said about reality,
Speaker 1: there's something that shifts inside of us when when we
Speaker 1: recognize its truth to the situation.
Speaker 7: It's helpful for the next time you get in that bind.
Speaker 7: You know that's sending pop.
Speaker 3: One of those out rather than milk and along. When
Speaker 3: do you have one?
Speaker 6: What whether he deals there?
Speaker 3: Are you trying to get it out?
Speaker 6: No? Oh, I'm playing with it. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: This will get you kicked off the render.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm thinking, Lord, help Gary with that racket.
Speaker 3: I thought you were trying.
Speaker 1: I thought you're trying to slow Like when you're in
Speaker 1: church and you're unwrapped, unrap you know, unwrapping butterscotch or something.
Speaker 6: You can actually hear that.
Speaker 10: I got ears like an eagle really doesn't, he's got
Speaker 10: very weak.
Speaker 7: But realizing that will help you get to through the
Speaker 7: next thing with confidence. Yeah, you know that what it is,
Speaker 7: what is is what it is. Now you can you
Speaker 7: have you can control your fate, your destiny. You know,
Speaker 7: you can getting sleeping bag laid down in the highway
Speaker 7: and your chances of survival are lot slimmer than sleeping
Speaker 7: in the in the woods.
Speaker 4: You know, but.
Speaker 7: You your path now getting into all that, it's just
Speaker 7: it's comforting to know that if you keep your mind
Speaker 7: right and you priorities in order, it's can work out
Speaker 7: probably the way it's supposed to do.
Speaker 4: Whether you live through it or not, that's not our plan.
Speaker 6: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Bear what stood out to you, Well, the first thing
Speaker 2: that stood out to me was similar to what I
Speaker 2: said last week, but I feel like Teddy kind of
Speaker 2: emphasized it a little more this week. But one thing
Speaker 2: that he said was I hate clear cutting. Like he
Speaker 2: said it passionately. He hates clear cutting, And I thought
Speaker 2: that was interesting, just again a look inside of the
Speaker 2: reality of what the laggers are doing, and especially loggers
Speaker 2: that already lived their life close to the land that
Speaker 2: you know, they really rely on the resource. Therefore they
Speaker 2: want to protect it. They're not clear cutting, whereas like
Speaker 2: I would imagine a big company would be much more
Speaker 2: likely to just go clearcut someplace and destroy the habitat.
Speaker 2: So I thought that that was interesting, but also kind
Speaker 2: of like what you guys were saying was like the whenever,
Speaker 2: whenever he was going down the hill in that truck,
Speaker 2: how the reality of a very simple principle kind of
Speaker 2: like made it past his mind into his heart in
Speaker 2: that moment and he could actually implement it in his life.
Speaker 3: And how sometimes that's.
Speaker 2: Like that's the way that that God speaks to us,
Speaker 2: is like like it might be a very simple principle,
Speaker 2: like if you've read through, you know, the Gospels, you'd
Speaker 2: probably have a good idea of just like the principles
Speaker 2: that you need to live by. And but whenever it
Speaker 2: really makes it passed your mind into your heart, that's
Speaker 2: whenever it becomes a reality that you live. And it's
Speaker 2: not a it's not a discipline, Like, if it's a discipline,
Speaker 2: it won't last. But if it's a reality in your heart,
Speaker 2: then you'll be able to do that for your whole life.
Speaker 2: But sometimes in order for that to become a reality,
Speaker 2: you've got to experience. You've got to experience the reality.
Speaker 2: And so I thought that was interesting whenever he said that,
Speaker 2: because that was a pretty extreme version of that. But
Speaker 2: like that does happen to everyone in their everyday lives,
Speaker 2: Like a reality is imparted to them through a situation,
Speaker 2: even though it's something they already knew, but it's.
Speaker 3: And that's the that's the question. Did he know it?
Speaker 3: Or did did do any of us know it?
Speaker 4: Know it?
Speaker 3: What does know it mean? I mean like an.
Speaker 1: Intellectual hat tip to a bunch of stuff that people
Speaker 1: actually don't know. Like, yeah, you could say that you
Speaker 1: you know something, but until it's you know that that
Speaker 1: heart knowledge that you know, we could describe it this
Speaker 1: revelational knowledge, experiential knowledge, you know.
Speaker 2: That's that's what it was. It was a it was
Speaker 2: a it was a transactional event.
Speaker 10: It jumped past his mind, you know, like there's knowing
Speaker 10: with your mind and then there's knowing and that right here.
Speaker 1: And that's the complexity of being a human is that
Speaker 1: you can know something, You can know the answer to
Speaker 1: the test, but really not know the answer to the question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I doubt, I seriously doubt that he had a
Speaker 7: master's degree in physics. But in that short period of
Speaker 7: time he had worked it out the equation. Now that
Speaker 7: that truck in that sycamore tree and him in the
Speaker 7: middle was not going to work out well. And you
Speaker 7: can I used to say it all the time working Rex.
Speaker 7: You know, you can violate the laws of man, but
Speaker 7: the laws of physics will get you every time.
Speaker 4: And he had come to that realization, and that's you know,
Speaker 4: it took longer.
Speaker 7: I'm sure it took ten times as long to tell
Speaker 7: that story as it did for that to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it probably was.
Speaker 2: I mean he said it was a tenth of a mile,
Speaker 2: which you know, that's a couple hundred yards tenth of
Speaker 2: a mile, five hundred feet.
Speaker 9: I could walk that in less time than it took
Speaker 9: him to tell that.
Speaker 1: Five hundred feet would essentially be one hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: I put a picture of it up where it went down,
Speaker 1: and some some very ill informed human was like, that
Speaker 1: doesn't look very steep to me, I envisioned it being steeper.
Speaker 1: First of all, if you've ever been in steep country
Speaker 1: and you take photos of it, you recognize that photos
Speaker 1: don't show steepness. And when you're going that well log
Speaker 1: truck eighty thousand pounds, a slight incline can be all
Speaker 1: you need.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: When I heard the story, the physics of it is
Speaker 2: pretty interesting that that it was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It had been very dry and just a frog strangler
Speaker 2: came and he said it was one of those flash
Speaker 2: floods where like there's two or three inches of water
Speaker 2: flowing on top of not in gullies, but.
Speaker 1: Just across the like before it soaks in. And I
Speaker 1: mean he was just floating on water basically and just
Speaker 1: made He's crazy on top Cody, Cody saying he looked
Speaker 1: over and that that that tin wheeler was. I think
Speaker 1: it was a tin wheeler, not a tire, was moving
Speaker 1: and he was going forty miles an hour. I mean,
Speaker 1: a pretty astonishing and I cannot relate. I don't want
Speaker 1: to pretend like I can relate to what Teddy the
Speaker 1: fear he experienced. But when I worked for Buck Tittsworth
Speaker 1: and Mina Arkansas back when I was in high school.
Speaker 1: He lived at the top of a mountain and he
Speaker 1: had a mile long driveway and you gained about at
Speaker 1: least five hundred feet of elevation, if not six hundred
Speaker 1: or more going from the valley floor to his house.
Speaker 1: You know where I'm talking about, Yah, And he had
Speaker 1: like the first eighty yards of the driveway paved in
Speaker 1: the last and so for close to a mile it
Speaker 1: was dirt roads, and it was a road that they'd
Speaker 1: cut in with a dozer, and it wound like this. Well,
Speaker 1: I was cleaning up construction he'd built his house, and
Speaker 1: I was I had a four wheeler, a Yamaha Big
Speaker 1: Bear four wheel drive four wheeler and a trailer, about
Speaker 1: an eight foot like trailer you pull behind a truck,
Speaker 1: and his four wheeler had a ball on it, and
Speaker 1: I loaded that thing up full of construction debris, just
Speaker 1: heaping to overflowing. And we had a big burn pile
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hill. So I had to
Speaker 1: go down that almost mile long driveway with that Yamaha
Speaker 1: big Bear four wheel drive with the trailer.
Speaker 3: I didn't think a thing about it.
Speaker 1: I just pulled, pulled out and just barely got started
Speaker 1: down that hill and came to the first corner, which
Speaker 1: was within sight of his house, and I hit the
Speaker 1: brakes and it just starts sliding. And I knew enough
Speaker 1: from being trained by Gary Nucom in driving, is that
Speaker 1: when you're sliding, you cannot break yep. And you know,
Speaker 1: Teddy was trying to show that like he gassed it
Speaker 1: at one point. Teddy really knows what he's doing, and
Speaker 1: he said, at one point he gassed it trying to
Speaker 1: get traction. He put on the jake brake, he pumped
Speaker 1: the brakes, he tried to turn it to flip the truck,
Speaker 1: like he had all these solutions going through his mind.
Speaker 3: None of them work well.
Speaker 1: When I hit the brake and slid, while I was
Speaker 1: still withinside a Buck's house, and I knew I had
Speaker 1: a mile to go, I knew I was in like
Speaker 1: big trouble, and I knew I couldn't hit the brake,
Speaker 1: and I was in whatever gear I was, and I
Speaker 1: would gear down and it would slide, I mean, so
Speaker 1: there was no stopping it. And basically I just rode
Speaker 1: that thing like a bucking horse down that mountain and
Speaker 1: when I got to the bottom, I mean, I was
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, no heart was pounding at me.
Speaker 3: It was just a miracle. I didn't drive it off
Speaker 3: that mountain.
Speaker 6: Why didn't you tell me about that?
Speaker 3: I probably did, I wouldn't have I didn't try to
Speaker 3: hide it.
Speaker 9: You also cut into your leg with a chain saw
Speaker 9: at that same place.
Speaker 6: I've got a scar.
Speaker 1: I got a scar at this angle right across my leg.
Speaker 1: Right there is that man, Buck Titsworth.
Speaker 6: I wonder if he.
Speaker 3: Wants to pay me or he owes me. Yeah, uh oh,
Speaker 3: he was a great boss.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was cutting trees with a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: I was I think I was sixteen or seventeen, and
Speaker 1: I just got.
Speaker 3: Done cutting a tree. Whoa, and just laid the saw
Speaker 3: down right on my.
Speaker 1: Leg, just while it was still running, and it cut
Speaker 1: me cut through my pants and I got a scar
Speaker 1: about that long right there to this day.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And I also called up my first gobbler, Turkey and
Speaker 1: Buck Titsworth's backyard. I was picking up trash around the
Speaker 1: front and I saw around the corner of the house
Speaker 1: the backside, I saw a gobbler strutting with two hens
Speaker 1: like sixty yards from the house. Luckily, Clay Knukeom had
Speaker 1: a diephram in his pocket, and so I took the diaphragm,
Speaker 1: snuck around the house, got on a big old pine
Speaker 1: tree on the what.
Speaker 3: And here, yeah, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 1: And here that gobbler came and he's he's strudged with
Speaker 1: those hens right down below me. I mean, like wile
Speaker 1: there's like construction workers like twenty yards from me hammering
Speaker 1: on the building.
Speaker 3: But that was a detour.
Speaker 1: That was a detour to say how incredibly scary it
Speaker 1: is to be out of control, anything out of control.
Speaker 2: Your body picks up on it quick. You're out of control.
Speaker 2: This is dangerous. You're gonna die, Yeah, because.
Speaker 10: Your brain is actually just a prediction machine. You know,
Speaker 10: that's the way the brain works, and so it's constantly
Speaker 10: making predictions.
Speaker 9: And when you're I mean that.
Speaker 10: That just sets off the fight or flight response and
Speaker 10: you're you're in trouble at that point. I mean, this
Speaker 10: is like you're going down.
Speaker 1: You know what wasn't really said overtly, but was implied
Speaker 1: is that he hit that timber and just dodged all
Speaker 1: the big trees, because he could have hit a big
Speaker 1: tree that would have stopped him, and it would have
Speaker 1: been like a head on collision with a train like
Speaker 1: it just would have.
Speaker 7: And what didn't come out of there too is And
Speaker 7: I've worked these kind of accidents when those law trucks
Speaker 7: come to a sudden stop.
Speaker 4: The laws keep moving up. Yeah we go, Yeah, they
Speaker 4: come forward.
Speaker 9: That's what I was worried was going to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and worked a few of those.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to ask you about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, Brent's Brent spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: law enforcement in an area of Arkansas, South Arkansas that
Speaker 1: was big log country. You had some pretty serious run
Speaker 1: ends with log and accidents, yep.
Speaker 7: A couple where where they were they lost control and
Speaker 7: turned over or you know, weight shifted, log shifted or
Speaker 7: went around a corner too fast. But I remember one
Speaker 7: where two his log truck and a semi hit and
Speaker 7: the fatal the fatality happened to the log truck driver
Speaker 7: because of what I just said. Once they hit, the
Speaker 7: logs kept moving and he came forward and wow and
Speaker 7: crushed him in the cab. But one of the ones
Speaker 7: that made probably the most the biggest impact on me
Speaker 7: that I think about a lot, was one there were
Speaker 7: some folks that lived in this other part of the
Speaker 7: county and they were migrant workers. And this guy had
Speaker 7: went to work on this logging crew and he had
Speaker 7: gotten he'd gotten killed a log a tree had fallen
Speaker 7: and killed him. So at that time I was a
Speaker 7: patrol deputy and it was my job to take to
Speaker 7: deliver death messages to people. And there was no next
Speaker 7: to Ken or what his next to Ken was like
Speaker 7: is in South America somewhere. So once the accident, the
Speaker 7: coroner called and said, you know, we've we've got this
Speaker 7: duty to do. You need to send a deputy out
Speaker 7: to this address. And I don't think that, you know,
Speaker 7: the people speak English there. So I got an interpreter
Speaker 7: and their parish priest where they went, where they went
Speaker 7: to church, and went down there and drove up to
Speaker 7: the house and this lady comes out and she's there's
Speaker 7: a little kid, and she's told one there. And I
Speaker 7: introduced myself and asked her if she spoke English, and
Speaker 7: she looked at the interpreter, you know, and the interpreter
Speaker 7: started talking. So then I had to I had to
Speaker 7: tell her that her husband had been killed in a
Speaker 7: logging accident. And as I'm telling her in English. She
Speaker 7: knows what's going on, and I said, it is my
Speaker 7: sorrowful duty to you to inform you that your husband,
Speaker 7: and I said his name was killed in a logging.
Speaker 4: Accident this morning.
Speaker 7: So when I'm looking at her and telling her that,
Speaker 7: she's looking at the lady who is the interpreter beside me,
Speaker 7: and I can see tears welling up in her eyes
Speaker 7: because she knows that whatever I'm saying is terrible, because
Speaker 7: here's this man in uniform and he's my priest is
Speaker 7: back here, and this other lady, so something's bad.
Speaker 4: So she knows it's bad. So the interpreter then tells
Speaker 4: her in.
Speaker 7: Spanish, you know what happened, And one big old tear
Speaker 7: came out and just rolled down her cheek, and she
Speaker 7: grabbed her kids up, and the kids started crying, and
Speaker 7: the priest and the lady went in and they didn't
Speaker 7: need me anymore, so I left and I talked to her.
Speaker 7: I talked to the priest two or three days later,
Speaker 7: I went by that church and asked him how.
Speaker 4: She was doing.
Speaker 7: He said, they're find they had family coming in, you know,
Speaker 7: as good as they perish, was taking care of them.
Speaker 7: But I asked him, I said, man, I said, I don't.
Speaker 7: It was something I didn't I got a question about.
Speaker 7: I said, I've delivered death messages before to people and
Speaker 7: from car wrecks and different things, I said, and nearly
Speaker 7: everybody's a wreck, I said, this lady, she took it
Speaker 7: like a champ. I couldn't believe how stoic she was
Speaker 7: about it. I mean, you could see she was visibly upset,
Speaker 7: but how just the way she took it was. It
Speaker 7: impressed me a lot, how strong she was. And he said, well,
Speaker 7: you got to remember that these folks come from places
Speaker 7: not like where they live now, and death comes all
Speaker 7: the time. You know, they don't live to be old.
Speaker 7: The places where they work and the things they have
Speaker 7: to do where they live down there and wherever it
Speaker 7: was that she lived or where they were originally from,
Speaker 7: life was a lot harder than it was here, and
Speaker 7: it was kind of expected, and it's been I think
Speaker 7: that has been the biggest thing for me to deal
Speaker 7: with over all these years of thinking how good we
Speaker 7: have it and how good how bad they had it,
Speaker 7: and the long ways that they went to be here
Speaker 7: for to make a better life for themselves, and then
Speaker 7: that terrible thing happened to that man that she would
Speaker 7: more or less expect and would have expected to happen
Speaker 7: to him, where they lived, where they were from.
Speaker 4: So I'm not happy. Note, it's just it's just tough.
Speaker 4: It's there.
Speaker 7: There was several of those, a lot of those, and
Speaker 7: I think about them. I think about them a lot.
Speaker 7: So I don't I don't have an answer really for
Speaker 7: how to where you go from that, but it's a
Speaker 7: it's a dangerous job for sure, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 7: that that kind of stuff happens.
Speaker 1: Does law enforcement still deliver death messages to families now?
Speaker 1: With cell phones? Like I was just thinking about, like
Speaker 1: back in that time, I mean people would add landlines.
Speaker 1: I mean probably in the nineties or early two thousands
Speaker 1: or something. I don't, man, I don't know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because it feels like if something happened.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean now, I mean people are putting stuff
Speaker 7: on the internet, you know, on Facebook and all social
Speaker 7: media stuff that before they could say, you know, a
Speaker 7: vehicle or's an accident in the next akin, they're waiting.
Speaker 7: When you hear something about their waiting on the next
Speaker 7: aken to be notified.
Speaker 4: That's a law enforcement agency somewhere going to deliver them.
Speaker 3: They still do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as I know that do Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 6: Ali.
Speaker 3: That seems like a tough part of the job.
Speaker 4: It was terrible.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm, Josh, what stood out to you?
Speaker 8: You know that just from the danger? The danger just
Speaker 8: reminded me of of a story of a family friend
Speaker 8: of ours and the the uh, the inversion of of
Speaker 8: Teddy the lines. He had this this family friend of
Speaker 8: close family friend of ours. He'd spent some time as
Speaker 8: a logger out in Washington State and he was a
Speaker 8: he was a man's man, I mean, just a big guy,
Speaker 8: big fiery, red beard, and he kind of went out
Speaker 8: west to go go be a logger and there was
Speaker 8: a lot of that bravado and macho And he told
Speaker 8: me the story of when he got there. He went
Speaker 8: into the steel chainsaw shop and he said, I want
Speaker 8: the biggest, baddest chainsaw you got, and uh, the guy
Speaker 8: behind the count said, here you go, and he hands
Speaker 8: him this chainsaw and it's got a sixty inch bar
Speaker 8: on it and they're cutting big furs out there, and
Speaker 8: he said, you can take it out back and try it.
Speaker 8: And they had some logs out back, and he said,
Speaker 8: I went out there and he said, I fired that
Speaker 8: bad boy up and I laid into this three foot
Speaker 8: log with this chainsaw, and he said it got about
Speaker 8: halfway through. And this is a big man. He's probably
Speaker 8: six foot two, six foot three, probably two hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty pounds in his prime, and he said it, he
Speaker 8: said it it just cut through it like butter. And
Speaker 8: it didn't hang up until it got about halfway through.
Speaker 8: And he said, when it got halfway through, it picked
Speaker 8: me up off the ground. And he said, I was
Speaker 8: able to get it out. And I walked back in
Speaker 8: and said, do you have anything smaller? And it just
Speaker 8: I was reminded that story because thinking about Teddy the Lines,
Speaker 8: Teddy the Lines is probably five foot eight. I mean,
Speaker 8: he's one hundred and thirty pounds, probably soaking wet, and
Speaker 8: he just doesn't carry any of that, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. It's I have great appreciation for men who
Speaker 8: are humble and men who live by a code. And
Speaker 8: these are those guys that embody that in their day
Speaker 8: to day life, you know what I mean. They're men
Speaker 8: of integrity, men of honor, men who care about their
Speaker 8: family and their friends, I mean, what's more honorable than that?
Speaker 8: And so I think, you know, and these guys, you know,
Speaker 8: none of those guys are big, old, huge, macho guys,
Speaker 8: but they'll probably work just about anybody under the table,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, just because of their commitment
Speaker 8: to diligence and hard work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: There's no showing off. And yeah, I just I think
Speaker 8: that inside of it, you know, I like how you
Speaker 8: said that there's a fine line between between being reckless
Speaker 8: and just working hard and being caught in a profession
Speaker 8: that's dangerous. And they probably they probably teetered that line
Speaker 8: a few times, but there was no there was no
Speaker 8: intent to just show off. There was just this intent
Speaker 8: to a commitment to do what they had to do
Speaker 8: to get the job done. And uh, yeah, I just
Speaker 8: I really appreciate it. I got to I got to
Speaker 8: see Teddy Theliones a couple of weeks ago. I went
Speaker 8: and visited their church, was justin house, and and Teddy
Speaker 8: stood up and just in the middle of the service
Speaker 8: and just thanked the Lord for how he's doing. You know,
Speaker 8: you mentioned that he's fighting cancer and he got a
Speaker 8: pretty good report, and he just thanked the Lord for that,
Speaker 8: And I mean, that's a that's a guy that's worth
Speaker 8: celebrating on a podcast.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It was there's always judgment calls inside of people's personal
Speaker 1: stories that we have to make all the time, Like
Speaker 1: and and the Vilnes Boys talked about in the Render
Speaker 1: they actually brought up Eddie's dementia and they they brought
Speaker 1: up Teddy's situation too. But I I, so, I felt
Speaker 1: like I kind of had, you know, their permission in
Speaker 1: a way to to say that. But it was just
Speaker 1: part of the story to hear, you know, because because
Speaker 1: Teddy said, you know that that wreck helps him see.
Speaker 3: Who was in control.
Speaker 1: And then now he's got you know, he's got this cancer,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I just couldn't give too much information.
Speaker 3: But he's doing really good, he is. That's the report
Speaker 3: that we've.
Speaker 1: Got right now. It's doing really good. And so that's fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard he was logging with him this week.
Speaker 8: Oh really.
Speaker 4: He was. He he was.
Speaker 3: He's out in the woods with him probably right now.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say Teddy wouldn't see award for best
Speaker 10: laugh on the Bear Grease.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: When I was listening to the to it. That's what
Speaker 10: I kept I kept laughing every time you would laughing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, what about the story?
Speaker 1: Happened so quick, and it was kind of the cold
Speaker 1: open the story his dad ari one in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night at Granny Henderson's house.
Speaker 3: I mean that was crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and and I've heard Willard, the other brother, tell
Speaker 2: that story before too, And and he said that the
Speaker 2: dad was.
Speaker 3: Woke up in the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Night just like it's time to go. It's time to go,
Speaker 1: you know, like you you know how we all would do.
Speaker 1: But then we'd look at our alarm clock or our
Speaker 1: clock and be like, oh, it's four hours.
Speaker 3: Before it need to be up. I was just nervous. Well,
Speaker 3: he woke up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: This is a story that Willard told, which was the
Speaker 1: same story, but but Teddy just didn't quite have the
Speaker 1: tell this particular thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, he woke up and was just like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, it's time to go.
Speaker 1: And you know, the wife Cynthia jumps up and cooks
Speaker 1: breakfast and then goes and harnesses the mule and then
Speaker 1: he he rushes, he rushes off to Grannie Henderson's house
Speaker 1: and and knocks on the door and then Frank Henderson's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 3: And I mean maybe they had an alarm clock.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they somehow knew exactly what time
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: But those stories of those guys are are are I
Speaker 3: like those old stories?
Speaker 8: But uh, go back and listen to the Granny Henderson.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a lot of connection between a lot
Speaker 2: of these stories we tell, it seems, but uh, you
Speaker 2: knew you probably did business with a lot of loggers
Speaker 2: back in the day. Yeah, yeah, I sure did down
Speaker 2: and mean a big, big log country.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: These guys are all cutting hardwoods up here down in
Speaker 1: Meana and the washtalls. They're cutting primarily pine, mostly pine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't have any stories about them. I mean they
Speaker 5: were just hard working guys and most of them made
Speaker 5: a lot of money. Yeah. My neighbor logger mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And uh he lived in a beer house and I
Speaker 5: did I hope he was content, oh me. Uh, they
Speaker 5: were all good people though.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, he just didn't find him.
Speaker 5: I never encountered a lagger that I thought was not
Speaker 5: worthy of loaning a little money too.
Speaker 6: I grew up with.
Speaker 1: I went to school with a lot of kids whose
Speaker 1: dads were laggers, and uh, the one one of them,
Speaker 1: his dad, I won't say his name, but uh, he
Speaker 1: was a lagger and he was all we always knew
Speaker 1: him as. Uh he got shot in a bar in Oklahoma. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was my Well, I hate to say his name.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I feel like I'm violating, like
Speaker 1: hippa or something.
Speaker 3: He shot, should be careful. Okay, Well that's good.
Speaker 1: My my my friend in high school, his dad was
Speaker 1: got in a bar in Oklahoma and survived.
Speaker 3: And he was a logger and was a good guy.
Speaker 8: In their defense, if you find yourself in a bar
Speaker 8: in southeast Oklahoma, there's a high likelihood.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: We learned that.
Speaker 9: My great grandpa was a logger and he we heard stories.
Speaker 10: Every time someone would find out, oh, Louis Joplin's your grandpa,
Speaker 10: the would always say strongest man I ever ever saw.
Speaker 10: One time I saw him catch a whole a whole
Speaker 10: truck of logs on his back. I mean that, I
Speaker 10: promise I heard that story really, yeah, and it's not
Speaker 10: true at all.
Speaker 6: It's not I asked, I asked the story.
Speaker 10: But that's everyone would tell me that he was a
Speaker 10: really strong he was six or four really, I mean
Speaker 10: even Clay met him before he died. He died around
Speaker 10: close to ninety and he was still a big, big.
Speaker 1: Old Well we heard the story. So there's a famous
Speaker 1: story in Misty's family and we we uh, I got
Speaker 1: all foreshadow about the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lewis Joplin, Missy's great grandfather is is there's a
Speaker 2: section about him in the book because in the Black
Speaker 2: Bear book that's coming out spring of twenty seven, get
Speaker 2: Ready is about trees because black bears need trees, and
Speaker 2: it's about the logging industry, which actually had more impact
Speaker 2: on black bears than market hunting.
Speaker 4: Was he the one that killed the bear?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Rock?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lewis Joplin killed a bear with a rock.
Speaker 1: And one of the first times I ever was it
Speaker 1: after we were married or while.
Speaker 3: We were dating?
Speaker 9: Oh, it's probably while we were dating.
Speaker 3: While we were.
Speaker 1: Dating, I went to Louis Joplin's house. He was in
Speaker 1: his late eighties in Hatfield, and Misty had told me
Speaker 1: her great grandfather killed a bear with a rock, and
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh really, And so anyway I
Speaker 1: went and asked to talk to him about it myself.
Speaker 3: He told me the whole story.
Speaker 1: But he there's a story of him being by a
Speaker 1: log truck and the chain's breaking and a big load
Speaker 1: of logs.
Speaker 3: Fell on him.
Speaker 1: But there was a sapling right beside him that bent
Speaker 1: over like a fishing pole being bent by a fish,
Speaker 1: and he was able. He survived basically because that tree
Speaker 1: took some of the pressure.
Speaker 3: Of the logs off of him. And while he was
Speaker 3: under under the logs, he's he's talking to his buddies
Speaker 3: and they their equipment was out of gas.
Speaker 10: It was out of gas and they're a long ways
Speaker 10: from gas, so they couldn't just pull it off. Because
Speaker 10: he kept saying, get you know, and get the thing
Speaker 10: that pulls.
Speaker 1: The Lewis is down there, and Misty remembers him saying
Speaker 1: that he couldn't see. He calls for a mile dark yeah,
Speaker 1: and the guys go, well, the skidter or whatever they had,
Speaker 1: the track, the mechanized, the equipment they had was out
Speaker 1: of gas, and so the guys on the outside are
Speaker 1: like saying, what do you want us to do. Lewis,
Speaker 1: jopping from underneath the log pile, says, well, the guys
Speaker 1: over the mountain have a team of mules go get them.
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, do you have time. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's hurting, like the sapling is not completely say, like
Speaker 1: they think he's.
Speaker 10: Dying and they think the sapling is going to break. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean that's the other thing they do.
Speaker 1: It's like a load of logs as big as telephone poles,
Speaker 1: you know, on top of him, and uh, And basically
Speaker 1: one of the guys says, well, let's siphen some gas
Speaker 1: out of the truck. So they siphon gas out of
Speaker 1: the truck, put it in the skidter or loader or
Speaker 1: whatever they had. This is probably back in the fifties.
Speaker 1: And and they one by one start pulling logs off
Speaker 1: of him. And Lewis told how he could feel the
Speaker 1: pressure with each log, every log he took off, he
Speaker 1: would just feel a release of pressure.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: And it just kind of and he survises. And that's
Speaker 3: how people die.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like wild you know, just like
Speaker 2: we heard from the lines. I mean, there's a thousand
Speaker 2: ways to die when you're uh, when you're getting when
Speaker 2: you're messing with logs now, I.
Speaker 1: Will tell you, I will close down. I'll give you
Speaker 1: all a chance to close out the podcast, I will
Speaker 1: tell you the story that I told Teddy the lines
Speaker 1: when I walked out of his house after the episode.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those stories that you kind of
Speaker 1: wish you didn't tell because it's kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that not as cool as you think. But
Speaker 1: we were talking about getting hitting the head with logs.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Kaylen had talked about how you got
Speaker 1: knocked out and all this, and I said, I've been
Speaker 1: hitting the head with a log once really hard, to
Speaker 1: the point that it didn't knock me out. But I
Speaker 1: actually it's the only time in my life I've ever
Speaker 1: actually seen stars, you know, just kind of like seeing stars.
Speaker 1: And it was it happened while I was leading a
Speaker 1: mule that had panniers on it.
Speaker 3: So I'm leading a.
Speaker 2: Mule that has these big wide bags on the side
Speaker 2: of it, so the mules about five feet wide, and
Speaker 2: I'm just plowing down the top of a mountain, down
Speaker 2: in the washtalls, just walking fast, just pulling this mule.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hurry and by myself, I'm hot and sweaty,
Speaker 2: and we're just plowing through saplings or bending over and
Speaker 2: all this and basically that panty or hits about a
Speaker 2: twelve foot tall, six inch at the base dead snag,
Speaker 2: and that snag just I'm just walking in it big.
Speaker 2: That's just in the back of the head. It was
Speaker 2: like getting hitting the head with a baseball bat from behind.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I just, you know, had no idea
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: I told that to Teddy.
Speaker 9: I could see why you telling that story to Teddy,
Speaker 9: and they.
Speaker 3: Were just kind of like, okay, yeah, I found five dollars.
Speaker 10: I'll be.
Speaker 2: Good story quick, Britt. Britt has a deal if you
Speaker 2: tell a story that's kind of a.
Speaker 4: Dud, that's my wife. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you get done and like no one laughs or
Speaker 1: no one thinks it's cool, you go and then I found.
Speaker 6: Five dollars.
Speaker 4: Works every time.
Speaker 2: Closing thoughts from the team, Gary Bear, Well, Hey, I.
Speaker 5: Do I have one Uh you know, I'm not a
Speaker 5: very good storyteller, but I've got one story I just
Speaker 5: love and I'm make it real short. I'm just going
Speaker 5: to tell you, well, I don't know about that. But
Speaker 5: you talk about banking, you're talking about Eastern Oklahoma, You're
Speaker 5: talking about bars. I have this big old boy, he's
Speaker 5: the toughest guy in Oklahoma, at least in our part
Speaker 5: of the state.
Speaker 6: You know, everybody knows this guy.
Speaker 5: He's tough as nails, he's a good guy, pays his bills,
Speaker 5: he's my customer.
Speaker 4: I love him.
Speaker 6: And I go, hey, what's all this stuff?
Speaker 5: I hear about you taking nine shots over at the borrow.
Speaker 2: Shirt shirt highway. We said the name of the bar.
Speaker 2: We're not protecting them the candle light yet yet. And
Speaker 2: he goes, well, hey, let me just show you him.
Speaker 2: Button your shirt, pulled it open. Nine bullet holes.
Speaker 5: Nine holes, he said, the bartenderself the bar. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: The bartender had two guns. One had normal rounds, which
Speaker 5: would have killed him.
Speaker 4: The other had what peers ball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would just shoot all And he said the
Speaker 5: bartender grin have the wrong.
Speaker 4: Gun.
Speaker 5: When I walk He walked in intimidating this guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: I won't get into the story there, but he was
Speaker 5: doing something really bad.
Speaker 6: Bartender just goes.
Speaker 5: And so anyway, bartender's got a good eye at online rounds.
Speaker 2: A lot of people got shot at That's where Cody,
Speaker 2: That's where my buddy's dad got shot.
Speaker 5: Actually, actually my buddy turned and ran to get his
Speaker 5: thirty thirty and the bartender ran out to the side.
Speaker 5: You got a guy with a thirty thirty and a
Speaker 5: guy with his pistol and they're having to shootout. And
Speaker 5: he got hit just around his heart, you know, around
Speaker 5: his liver, you know, he just and he survived.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 1: So well this is not the first time the candle
Speaker 1: light has come up on Burgrease. That's where Louis Dell
Speaker 1: and Charlie got shot at.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Wow, there's a lot of shooting at the candlelight.
Speaker 4: Oh what's that count?
Speaker 8: Is that? Is that where? That's not where? That's not
Speaker 8: where the judy.
Speaker 3: You know, that was also in Oklahoma, though.
Speaker 8: It was Southeast Oklahoma is the wild West.
Speaker 3: It's rough place.
Speaker 10: I don't think we could say this.
Speaker 3: Everyone's from Southeast Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Well, now that I start, I know some guys over there.
Speaker 3: They all think the guys in Arkansas.
Speaker 2: They talk about us, like can we talk about that?
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: Closing thoughts, Brent.
Speaker 4: It was good.
Speaker 3: Thanks for being here, man, that's so nice to have you.
Speaker 4: It was good.
Speaker 7: I like I like the stories about people, real folks
Speaker 7: and real folks that I can identify with, and those
Speaker 7: folks are tip tip with the spear.
Speaker 4: I liked it. Yep.
Speaker 3: Well thanks everybody for coming. I'm uh yeah, see these
Speaker 3: guys will see you at the Black.
Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza yep, yep. March seventh, to make it March seventh,
Speaker 1: Benton ble Arkansas, and we'll see you on the Burgers
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Berger's Instagram. We've got meat Eater has what
Speaker 1: they're calling twelve and twenty six that we're there's every
Speaker 1: week there's a new video that comes up on the
Speaker 1: media YouTube channel. But they're having twelve long form films
Speaker 1: that they're putting out, like hour long top films that
Speaker 1: they're putting out this year that are that are kind
Speaker 1: of different, edited a little different. Johannis just had a
Speaker 1: film that came out about his Manitoba bear hunt with
Speaker 1: Craig McCarthy. Yeah, Craig, And so that's that's out right
Speaker 1: now and uh you can check that out. But uh
Speaker 1: and uh man hat tip to the Misty's new Covis.
Speaker 1: Look at those lash Those are flashy, flashy.
Speaker 8: To cove is all around.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah. Keep the wild places wild,
Speaker 3: as that's where the bears live.