WEBVTT - Ep. 428: Render - Black Bear Mitts and Loggers 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.120 My name is Clay Knucomb, and this is a production 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.520 of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.119 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.800 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.600 by Tokvi's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.880 been wearing to Covis for years. The most comfortable boot 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.040 I've ever put on. Good boots for good times. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.400 It's been a while since you've been on the Render 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.480 it we let you have a little cool off period. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.640 Yeah, that's good. After the last time. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.760 Yeah, after the incident. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:01:01.680 After the incident yet there was we're kidding dead. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.840 Almo just kicked off completely. But I got a reprieve 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:07.880 and here I am. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.520 Well, it's good. We're glad to have you back. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.080 I knew better than coming in here and not wearing clothing. Yeah, 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:15.440 I knew. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.880 I see that one. We cut that one. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.560 We've got uh we man, We've got the We've got 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:29.280 the crew back together. Do we have Gary Believer? But 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:34.520 we've got Brent Reeves here. I am ringing Wow after 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:39.920 all that. No, it's not it's Dad. That's what gets you, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.840 That's what gets you on the rent of Brent. Great 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.200 to see you. It's been a while. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.960 It has been as well, it's been it's been a while. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.640 I couldn't I head can't tell you. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:51.120 When it was. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.360 Yeah, it's been a while since you've been up here. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.240 I think it's when the meat Eater crew is here. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.480 Yeah, it probably was. Yeah. We also have doctor Misty 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.640 Nukeomb with us. Happy to be here, and we've got 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.320 Gary Nukkem in the Covis hot seat. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:06.480 Bear John Newcomb's here. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:12.119 We're gonna start off with uh, Josh Josh Langbridge spelmakers here. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.040 Oh there he is. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.760 Oh yeah, I just with the immaculate mustache. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:18.160 Yep. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.760 Bear, tell us about your boat. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.720 What do you got, Well, this is the same boat 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.919 I brought last time, but I've got turn. I've got 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.760 something crazy on here, probably the craziest thing that I've 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:33.880 worked with yet. I glued on last night a piece 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.880 of a sperm whale tooth for the tip overlays on 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:42.679 my boat. That was given to me by Alaskan guy 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.120 David Bennett's. But the thing about sperm whale tooth is 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.519 it has to be over one hundred It has to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.440 be grandfathered in before the marine Mammal Protection Act in 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.360 order to be able to use it. And this so 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.680 this sperm whale tooth, it's over one hundred years old. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.959 So cut some little piece off and put. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:01.320 It on the bow. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.600 Very cool, yea, very cool. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.239 And it's the Osae Grange bow. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:05.720 Yep. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.120 I got it shooting, got the handle finished up and 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.480 U yeah. Now I'm just putting the art on it. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.160 Got some wood burning I'm going to do in it. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:16.400 Mm hmmm. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:17.960 What kind of art are we looking at? 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:19.600 You'll just have to see. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:24.360 Okay, okay, patent pending. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:24.880 Excellent. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.959 Well, we're just going to go around the room here 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.400 to do just a small show and tell for those 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:34.200 of you that aren't watching the the YouTube video. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.200 I am. I'm wearing my new boxing gloves, boxing gloves. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.200 These are my black bear mits made to me by 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.400 Jacob at New England Naturals on Instagram. And this is 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:52.760 a prime black bear fur envision big huge mits that 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.400 go up almost to your elbow, like to your forearm. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.200 Inside of these myts, though, is sheered beaver, so on 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.880 the outside it's prime black bear, on the inside it's beaver. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:12.280 But the the the palls of it are leather and 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.360 Marino wool. So there's actually some dexterity, like you know, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:21.680 you could like pick up rocks or or or ride 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.200 a snowmobile, eat a hot dog, eat a hot dog. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:29.880 And also as you could, you could also draw two 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:31.960 eyes hand puppets. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.800 It looks like it looks like a furry cookie monster. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:37.080 Convert to hand puppets. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.000 Yeah, so I'm really excited about these because I'm I'm 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:43.200 soon to be. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.400 I'm soon to be the Far North. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.200 You're departing soon. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.760 To the Far North, and uh going to be in 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.279 the most extreme temperatures on the globe for a while. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.440 So I'll be wearing. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.600 These these these aren't these aren't show bear these aren't 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:04.240 for show. These are some go yeah, some socks, just 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:04.880 a whole bear. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.120 Yeah, because everybody there's gonna be something up there wearing 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.080 a bear suit. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:12.720 That wants to reach. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.120 No doubt doubt. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.720 Uh So we uh, I just want to say, as 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.440 a like a news alert, the bear Grease YouTube channels 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.240 up in Rolling. We've got three episodes up and the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.039 last episode was Cooking with Mom. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.520 I loved it was a banger. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.200 I loved it made me want to eat eggrolls real bad. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.240 Yeah, they looked good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:37.760 lot of fun. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:38.560 Yeah. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.640 So so there was a hog hunt with Bear with 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.320 a self bow where he killed a hog. There was 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.599 a squirrel hunt, and then now this one, and again 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.080 if you went there, you wouldn't. You'd be looking at 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.680 what appears to be a fully built out YouTube channel 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:59.280 with you know, on eighty five that eighty something thousand subscribers. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.120 And that's because me and Bear pretty much when Bear 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.640 was a little kid. I'm gonna give Bear the credit 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.960 for it. We started a YouTube channel and at the 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.159 time is Bear Hunting Magazine, And there's a bunch of 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.479 the stuff on there that Brent filmed for me, a 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.120 whole lot of the films on there. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.400 Before he was Brent, back when he was just cameraman, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.400 Brent Reeves cameraman. He didn't even have a name, I didn't. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.520 He just was like cameraman. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.279 And I don't get introduced on the render anymore. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:37.640 So the the we just changed the name of the channel. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.280 Bear is primarily taking it over. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.320 But I mean I'll be on there, some Brent's gonna 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.360 be on there, some brenton Bear film. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:44.640 Yea. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.039 This week I filmed a little coon hunt with a 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.360 bowl with a bow. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.320 Yep, yeah, next week. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.600 Next week, We've got an elk hunt with the self 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.200 bow that I did in New Mexico where I stayed 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.080 in the cabin that is seen on the movie Lonesome Dove, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.200 and I'd hike out of there every morning and go 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:03.799 el hunt. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.440 That's a twist, Yeah, how cool. It was a super 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.680 cool trip. What what else we got coming up on 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:09.440 the bear grease? 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.360 So the week after that, we've got a hawk trapping 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.880 video where I went down to South Texas with my 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.040 buddy Aaron Kincaid and. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.800 We trapped Harris hawks. He's a he's a falconer. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.200 We trapped Harris socks out of the wild and then 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.920 he trained him for six weeks and then we went 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.760 hunting with him in North Carolina. So it's a pretty 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.280 crazy video. But we're gonna we're gonna get into a 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.040 lot of the kind of the ethics around it, but 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.760 also the just partnership with the natural world that you 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.600 don't really think about whenever you're thinking about falconry. But 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.520 it's this ancient sport. It's it's as ancient as far 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.680 as we have written history of and it's it's it's 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.360 just like using a dog, except you're actually going and 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.560 trapping it out of the wild. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.160 It's it's it's really wild. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:07:59.840 Yeah. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.680 Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:02.880 Yeah. Yeah. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.360 We also have a hog hunt on Mules and Oklahoma 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.480 with Dale Brisbee. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.120 Yeah, alter of Turnpike Tributors coming up. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.040 We went over there, had a big expedition with those 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.680 guys over in Oklahoma. That's going to be an episode 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:19.720 on that channel. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:21.160 Yeah. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.880 So lots of cool stuff coming up. We've also got 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.240 a real. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.960 Bear grease Instagram page which you can catch all the action. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:31.800 You bet there. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.320 And you guys are going to be at the Black 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:36.720 Bear Bonanza, is that right, Brent? 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.760 Yeah, March seventh, March. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.400 Seventh, that's neck. Well when this comes out, it'll be 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.400 that Saturday after this comes out. Wow, So yeah, yep, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:45.959 three days after this comes out. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.760 So the Black Bear Bonanza in Bentonville. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.800 Bentonville be there or b Square said. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.199 What do y'all know about? So it's unfortunate. This is 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.760 one of my favorite events of the year. But I 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.360 won't be there, but someone better than me will be there, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:04.439 completely better than me. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:06.959 Brian Callahan. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.000 Okay, all of us thought it was going to be 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.280 us exactly. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.600 We were all, yeah, well you you shouldphrase that as 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.120 somebody else better than. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.480 Me, someone else better than me. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.679 Along with Brent Josh Bear, you might be there, miss him, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:30.880 not sure make a cameo. But Brian Callahan, who's now 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.960 the CEO of Back Country Hunters and English who are 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.840 who are doing the hard work of con preservation of 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.120 wild lands and hunting rights in this country. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:41.760 They truly are. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.640 I had a guy that I really value and appreciate 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.120 this morning. Send me something out here in Arkansas about 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.400 a dog related issue. Basically, they're trying to make it 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.720 where all dogs, any dog turned loose in the state 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 has a track and train collar on it where you 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.840 can track it and you could tone the dog to 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.240 get it. You could shock the dog essentially to get 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.560 it back if it crossed on the private land. Boy, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.040 that sounds really great. I mean, it's it's hard to 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.160 even argue with except that it probably will functionally shut 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:18.559 down any kind of pack dog pack hunting in the state. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.760 I mean, like when you run deer with dogs and 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.400 you need more than one dog, like the coon hunters, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.280 is not that big a deal. Most coon hunters probably 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.760 have that already on their dog. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.400 Most No, I think that's gonna be. It would be 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.240 and I know this is not what we're talking about, 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.120 but I'm not for it at all. I think it 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.560 would be a if I was just getting into it 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.559 as a young man. That stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.720 gonna keep some folks out that. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.120 Want to do it right. I'm absolutely not for that 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:46.560 at all. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.960 Well, it's it's just it's an issue, you know, and 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:56.520 uh and you know I'm currently addressing it here. But 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.800 it's it's basically legislation that is in advert certainly going 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:06.120 to dramatically hurt hound hunting. But at the same time, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.360 like private landownership issues deserve to be addressed because I 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.680 could be a private landowner and people's dogs are constantly 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.000 running through my land and I don't like that. I mean, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.840 I understand that we just have to acknowledge that, and 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.400 I think dog hunters like me have to acknowledge that. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:24.480 So what's the solution. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.640 I don't know how to control of your dogs. I 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.880 can control I can call my dog away from a tree. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.240 Could yeah, with your track and train though. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:36.520 No, with my voice. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.560 Well I saw it. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.160 Oh, I believe that it's a different story when you've 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.480 got packs of dogs running big game though, because they're 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.800 long ways off in different places. So it's so those 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.640 are the kind of things and to me, that's like 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:58.320 a bigger issue of as well, talk to your talk 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.240 to your there's there's questions on the game and fish 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.720 right now. Point of all this is that there's issues 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.360 going on all over the place. Can y'all take me seriously, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.040 we're gonna talk about the fur band in Colorado. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.480 It's guys like Ryan Callahan. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.000 I think Dan Gates and those guys with Coloradden's for 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.760 Responsible Wildlife Management are doing a great job. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:29.440 How for wildlife doing an incredible job North American Bear found. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.400 I mean you could just go through the Wild Sheep Foundation, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.640 National Wild Turkey Federation, Turkey's for tomorrow, just like everybody's 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:36.640 doing all this stuff. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:44.880 So bear great segue into I like t actually is 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:45.319 going on? 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.760 I mean a lot of us don't like to talk 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.480 about really what's going on. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.440 We need a name for this segment to be thinking 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.760 bears Conservation corner. Yep, oh yeah, there we go, Conservation. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:03.320 Corner now so so we know quit thinking now? Yeah yeah? Thinking? Okay? Done? 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.360 Okay, Well you were talking about the fur band. That's 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.680 what we're talking about today. Yeah, so basically, I've got 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:15.200 my notes here pulled up. Colorado is trying to make 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:20.480 it to where you can no longer sell furs, so 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.560 like trapping and you know, trapping coyotes and beavers and 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.120 stuff like that can no longer go up on the 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:32.280 fur market. And it's not based off of any scientific evidence, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.839 is the issue. It's based off of a lot of 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:43.400 politics and a lot of like basically, yeah, the you know, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.080 like wild life is managed by the state, and there's 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.680 biologists for every critter that know exactly what that population 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.599 is and they're studying it, making sure that all the 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.360 numbers are good, and they're the ones who need to 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.480 be setting the regulations for what can be taken out 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.079 and what needs to be left alone. But in Colorado, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.920 what's happening is it is not those guys that are 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.200 making the regulations. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:07.680 It's the politicians. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:14.240 And so there on May, Okay, March fourth and fifth, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.880 here's what you can do about this. March fourth and fifth, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.600 you can actually, sorry, you could actually go in person 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:29.160 to a hearing in Denver, Colorado. May sixth and seventh, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.440 there's another one, and you could you can do it online, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.320 you can do it virtually. You could say something about it, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.360 you could write into the senators, or you could actually 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:45.400 go in person to that event. But the key here 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:49.720 is that we can't let the wildlife be managed by 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.560 people who don't understand the science behind it. It needs 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.040 to be scientifically regulated and that falls within the North 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.880 American model of wildlife conservation. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.440 The further away we. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:06.240 Get from that, the less and less opportunity that we'll have, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.800 which ultimately will result in the fewer and fewer wild 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:10.480 places that we. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:10.880 Have to go. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.680 So the dates that you're talking about, in those places, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:18.880 that's where citizens and voters can can make their opinions known. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.720 Yeah, voice their opinions in public. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:21.280 Yeah. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.760 So if you live near Denver, you would you would 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.800 be someone that might could consider going to something like that. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.600 But you can find all the addresses and everything on 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:37.400 the Colorado's for Responsible Wildlife Management website and Instagram. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.600 It really does make a difference when people show up 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.280 to that kind of stuff. It's good if you don't 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.360 live near there to join online, but that's it really. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.360 In legislative circles, it makes a difference. The body count 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:48.320 in the room. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.760 MM hmm a set of engagement. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:51.160 Yep. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:58.120 Yeah, good job Bear, Bear's conservation corner. Nice work, yes, BC, yep, yep, No, 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.800 I do. I want to find ways to just continue. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.000 I mean the part of being a hunter in the 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.480 days ahead and love and wild places. It's going to 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.960 be just being more of an activist and understanding what's 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.200 going on. So it's just part of what we do. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.000 So that's good. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:15.880 Brent. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:22.160 It's been so long since you've been here. I'm craving 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.640 a story from Brent Reids. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.960 I was reminded just Bear came down for this video 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.880 it's coming out when everyone on the baggery thing, and 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.440 he said, he calls me. He says, I do you 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.800 think that Whaling could treat a bear? That I could 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.800 cheat with my boat? And my immediate response was that 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.400 and I thought, COO, yeah, I'm sorry coon. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.040 Uh. And I actually talked about it on the podcast 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.160 that came out this morning. Uh. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.360 And my immediate response was the question is do you 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.480 think you could shoot a coon that my dog, Whaling 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.680 could tree? Because I know he could treat one. So 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.120 he came down. We got days together. He came down 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.080 and he studied the house and for two nights we 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.320 chased him, and. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.280 It was a valiant effort. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.480 I'm not going to give you anything a well, he 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.840 can talk about what anything in particulars that happened in there. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.400 But on the second night, I squalled a coon down 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.000 a tree to get it lower, and calamity ensued. And 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.520 it reminded me of a hunt that my dad and 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:36.440 I went on when I. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.600 Was just a kid. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:38.119 I was. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:40.520 In high school. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:41.840 I think I was a junior in high school and 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.879 I just got a new coon dog, and I had 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.520 just had an appindectomy that kept me from playing in 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.200 a football game. So instead of playing that game, as 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:53.920 soon as it was over with, I got to leave. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.399 Me and my dad went counha and to take this 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.119 puppy out. So Dad, we got to find something easy. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.960 And I got this stitch I had stayed and where 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.040 my appendix had been, and I was sore moving around. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.920 He said, well, I know where there is a per 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.600 ceme tree. We'll go over there and it's probably loaded 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.680 with precimons. And we drive over. This place is right 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.760 from an old chicken house, and sure enough it was. 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.720 It was loaded because when we turned the corner and 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.760 they had like a Christmas tree. All the eyes were 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.240 looking looking at us. Any wasn't that The tree wasn't 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.200 very big, So we. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.639 Pulled up to it. I got the dog out and 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.840 let him out, and he's just he's just a puppy. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.439 He don't know what he's doing. And Dad so we 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.880 need one of them coons down here on the ground. Well, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.440 when he said that, I started going up the tree. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.880 I started climbing up the tree and he's like, oh no, son, don't, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.560 don't you gonna tear your stables loose. I like, I'm good, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.840 I'm fine. So I got up there with him and 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.480 I started shaking them and there's like five or six 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.800 coons up there and they all hit the ground. Well, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.600 my dad and the dog was there. There wasn't another 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.960 tree within one hundred yards of where we was at, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.800 so they all started coming right back up the tree 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.000 I was in, and it kind of it got kind 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.680 of loud and a little way that stiring up there 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.600 for a little bit. I got coons going behind me 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.959 beside me, crossing my leg and I shake the other 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.960 one out and then finally it runs over and goes 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.399 up on the fence post and I get down all 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.919 the other coons are still up in the tree, so 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.119 I get down and my dad said, we need we 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.359 need that dog to wrestle when them coons do a 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.960 little fight. And he said, I'm gonna find something kind 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.359 of addle that coon that's on the fence post there 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.200 and get him down there, and maybe that puppy he'll 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.840 will wrestle, will fight him a little bit. And the 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.640 only thing we could find we didn't have the tire 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:32.919 to it was in the back of the truck that 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.000 we tried to that's all. That's a told whole different story. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.320 But the only thing we could find was a board 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.520 laying on the ground there. He said that said, I 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.400 got this board here, and he said it's too heavy 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.600 for you to pick up. You'll tear them staples loose. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.560 And it was a two to twelve and it was 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.639 twelve foot long. It weighed it had been laying out 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.359 in the rain. There's no time how much it weighed 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.679 a hundred pounds or so. And my dad picked it up. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.200 Is all he could do to hold it. So that's 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:00.280 what he's got. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.880 This thing. It was like a helicopter blade. And he said, I'm. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.480 Just gonna he said, I'm just going to kind of 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.800 just touch him on top of the head when I'm 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.240 when and knock him off that fence post and the 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.840 dog and fight him was going to just instill the 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.400 vigor and the fire in him. The hell would start 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.879 chasing these coons. And he swung that thing around and 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.080 hit that coon, and it was all he could do 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.520 to swing it. And when he did, his aim was 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.480 just a little off and he hit that tune, got 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.440 coon on the top of the head and killed him dead. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.040 For he hit the ground. He just he fell off 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:31.040 the post. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.560 The dog run over there and made two or three 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.280 sniffs and looked back at us, like, what's the big 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:36.720 deal about? 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.479 Coonon? And that was the story. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.440 So we loaded the dog up and he eventually made 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.040 a pretty decent dog. But it wasn't from that night. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.359 It was just way too much going on. It reminded me. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.600 Of Buddy Reeves and the helicopter coon. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.320 Yeah, it reminded me of the what me and Bear 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.560 did the other night. It was it got loud there 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.600 for a while, didn't it. Well, it was it was 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.160 loud that it. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.200 So Brent's always trying to get us to get a walker, 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.440 and Bear is now and I hunted plots for a 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:11.119 long time. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:17.640 Have I am now one for seven on plot coon 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.040 dogs basically. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.480 And bears thinking about getting a dog, thinking about getting 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:27.080 the blue tick, much to the chagrin of Brent. 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.680 Now there's a there is a famous line of dogs, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.600 the blue Ticks, out of Arkansas, and now they're in 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.040 Arkansas and in Missouri and they're very good and. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.240 I can't is it Vaughn? 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.000 Yeah, that's them, Vaughn blue Ticks. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:40.679 good dogs. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.680 Yeah, Yeah, there's some pretty good blue ticks. 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:44.200 Yeah. 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.240 Whenever I went coon hunting with Brent, I was reminded 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.920 of how much I enjoyed coon hunting. It's a it's 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.320 a fun way to hunt because you can bring people 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.240 and have a good time. Like there's no pressure on 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:58.440 the hunt at all. It's not like you have to 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.120 be quiet or anything. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.240 Yeah, we were sitting there drinking coffee and talking about 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.240 everything and yeah total. Of course we were toting arrows too, 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.240 so that was. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.000 A lot of element. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.119 Now I'll tell you something interesting, though, is we shot 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:15.240 at two coons total. 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:16.280 The first night. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.800 I shot at one and it's too high up in 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.480 the tree, and so I didn't the arrows didn't have 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.720 enough power by the time they got there, but they'd 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.000 go flying past this coon into the woods hundreds of 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:28.960 yards away, and I would just think, there's no way 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.560 I'm finding those arrows. But I walked in a straight 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.159 line from where I shot it in all ten of 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.359 my arrows were within like twenty feet. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.040 Are you you shot ten times? 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:44.159 Oh yeah, oh yeah, and one arrow got stuck up 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:45.920 in the tree right next to the coon. 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:46.720 Yeah. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.520 Film on the cowboy moved there for a little bit, 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.639 and it wasn't now, it wasn't hundreds of yards, it 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.080 was tens of yards. 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:00.520 They weren't going that far. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:05.680 No, well they would so so yeah, yeah. 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.960 It was probably like the second coon is probably like 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.960 sixty yards from where we were shooting at it. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:15.520 Okay, yeah, yeah, the arrows were and I said, you know, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.040 we should have thought and put some reflective tape on 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:18.440 this thing. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.000 Yeah, oh that would be. 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.800 And then when we walked out there, it was like 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.600 here's one, here's one, here's one. 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:26.840 So you found all of them. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.200 I came in there with a dozen and I left. 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:29.760 Out of there with eight. 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:30.480 That's pretty good. 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:31.239 Was it? 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.000 Big bottom lands though? Kind of open ground? 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:34.840 Well, we had. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.880 We had initially hunted this place because it's got, it's 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.480 got a ridge, it's got it's full of black jack 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:45.000 oaks and they're maybe thirty feet tall, and I've tree 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.520 coons in there all the time. They're fifteen feet off 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.920 the ground, which would have been just perfect for him 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.199 to come down there and shoot with this with his 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.440 self bow. But it's been so dry there wasn't any 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.520 coons in there. And I hunted there four nights in 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:00.800 a row trying to find up there, and they were 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.439 all down in the bottom down. Oh, so that was 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.960 the shortest timber in that area that that we went to. 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.480 Both both coons were at about forty foot or a 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:11.000 little over. 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:12.840 Yeah, it was our estimate. 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.520 It was a poke forty foot. Yeah, that's a long ways. 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.760 The second one, my arrows they weren't quite making it 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.800 up there, so that's why we squalled it down. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:24.880 But you can watch the full video here. 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:31.280 In a couple of weeks happened, lots of suspense, lots 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:32.000 of suspense. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.080 I'll be waiting until noon, soon as noon. That video 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:35.520 better be. 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:45.280 Out noon on Wednesday. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.440 So, speaking of the arrow that's stuck in the tree, 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.160 that will one day be cut down. 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:52.639 By a logger. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.000 Okay, we just nice. 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.800 We just came out with a series called American Logger, 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:03.560 and we we had the the lines cousins and brothers 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.200 on the last render from part one and and part 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.000 if you if you haven't caught up on it and 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.600 just maybe you're maybe you're new to the podcast and 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.760 you know our render. This this podcast is where we 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.160 talk about really what we're here to do. My my, 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.440 my main thing that I enjoy doing is these bear 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.800 grease documentary style episodes. And we we talked to Cody 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:30.880 and Klein Velnes about their multi generational history with their 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:35.280 father's grandfather and even further back than that of logging 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.719 into the ozarks. And these guys are logging, uh cutting 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.119 trees by hand, which that's a phrase that would be 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.160 used in the industry because so much of it now 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:48.439 is mechanized and they're cutting trees with big cutters and uh, 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.480 and there's a lot of people that's still cut by hand. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.440 It's not like it's unheard of. Cut by hand doesn't 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.280 mean a hand powered saw. It means using the chainsaw 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.440 cut trees. But uh, it's a it's a it's a 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.040 dangerous dangerous. 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:10.000 Occupation. We you know, the Bureau of Labor. 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.480 Statistics shows that logan is I'm pretty sure it's still 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.720 the most dangerous industry in America. Really yeah, but it's 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.760 but it's less dangerous than it was. In nineteen ninety 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:23.040 there was. 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:29.560 One hundred and twenty eight deaths per one hundred thousand. 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.119 Loggers in America. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:36.120 Wow, which which the number two was commercial fishing, which 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.720 Brent is a commercial fisherman. 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.080 That's right, he's done. 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.720 It was like in the fifties or sixty per one 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.800 hundred thousand, so you can see it was almost I 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:48.679 think it was double the amount of guys that were 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:52.200 getting killed by logan, and I explained this on episode one. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:57.800 But today logan is much safer, and I think there's 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.359 in the like sixty, well just between the fifty and 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:08.119 one hundred logger deaths per one hundred thousand. But so 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:09.800 it's come way down and it might even be in 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.640 the sixties. It was unclear to me, like today what 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.480 that statistic is though it had come down a lot, 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:19.280 and it was a lot because of mechanization, but the 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.000 danger still exists. And I just found it so interesting 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.879 that these guys that I knew who. I mean, I 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.080 didn't pick them. They were just randomly the guys that 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.800 I knew and was friends with. And I've known they 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.199 were loggers for as long as I've known them, and 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.320 I've talked to them about it and always been intrigued 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:42.040 by it. But it's not like they're doing anything really 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.840 even that unique in that part of the world, in 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.720 the industry here in the Ozarks, and it's like, hey, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.760 do y'all have any stories of nearly getting killed? 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:57.080 And it's like filling up. I mean, they didn't even. 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.199 Those were Those were just the stories they told, just 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:04.919 almost off the cuff, I mean, without even much preparation, 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.480 and you kind of started to see how dangerous that 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:14.120 logging is. And so this part two, Part Part one 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.200 was Kaitlin and Cody, who were about my age, a 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:22.800 little bit younger in the early forties, guys in our prime, 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:28.439 you know, as we say. But on the second episode 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:32.000 we talked to Teddy Vilaines, who is who is Cody's father, 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.320 and he told some wild stories. 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.719 Dad, what stood out to you about the episodes? Did 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:40.440 you enjoy them? 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:40.720 Oh? 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:41.800 I really did. 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:43.840 I enjoyed their character. 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:49.840 Wonderful, wonderful family and I guess my favorite story, even 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:54.000 though I enjoyed every second of it, but when a 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.480 guy got I think it was Teddy got the chainsaw all. 0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:58.640 Hung up in his shoulder. 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:03.760 Yeah, running, you know, well, there's a lot of there's 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:04.960 a lot to look at there. 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:06.960 I mean, he had some old equipment. 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:12.920 The breaker bar was broken and another piece was broken, 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.520 and he could he wouldn't stop. It's running in his 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:20.360 stinking shoulder and the muscle's falling off, and he just 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.160 kept working. You know. He finally got it out, got 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:28.600 his finger where he could get it out, and he like, hey, man, 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:29.640 patch this thing up. 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:31.440 We got a load of logs. We got to get 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:32.200 out of here. 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:33.640 Yeah. 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:40.680 So anyway, I mean there, they're amazing people, dedicated people. 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:41.280 You know. 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.200 The objective was to make a living for their stinking 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:51.880 family at all costs and do it with integrity. Very impressive, 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:52.840 very impressive. 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:54.280 It is, it is. 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.600 And man, those those story. 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.000 You know, when you're around people and maybe you've you've 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.360 you've come into their circle and you just start hearing 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:05.160 their stories. 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.640 And I do that a lot in this podcast. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:12.920 Just interviewing people, you you quickly see kind of an 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.280 emphasis that comes from just the lifestyle that they live, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.000 and these guys talk a lot just about toughness, honestly, 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.320 but it doesn't come It struck me, especially with Teddy 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.600 and Kaylen Cody. It doesn't come from a place of bravado. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.239 I'm macho, masculine, I'm tougher than you. You get that 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.200 sometimes and that that's not that appealing for somebody. 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.640 You understand what I'm saying. Teddy. 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.560 When Teddy told that story that, he's just like, well, 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.000 you asked me if anything crazy ever happened, this happened. 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.240 I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't. 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.360 I've known those guys for quite a long time and 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.760 he's never told me that story, you know. But I 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.640 want to emphasize that because you you might. I noted 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:02.360 that like, they're not trying to be macho. It's just 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.920 kind of the lifestyle and that. But they do value 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:10.160 that toughness and it's not just toughness for toughness sake. 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:11.560 I think there's a lot behind it. 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.640 I mean, you know another thing I noticed about that, 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:21.000 and I've experienced it. We all have, I think women experiences. 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.760 But you know, you're out in the woods, you're doing things, 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.080 and you're you're hot, you're tired, and you sit down 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.920 and eat a sandwich with a buddy. I mean that's 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:35.040 like going to Disneyland. And I mean they treasured that 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.800 time where they could sit down and talk and eat 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:44.240 a thinking blowney sandwich probably, and I mean they loved it. 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.640 And uh it was just. 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:52.400 Uh the stuff they're doing seemed extreme, but we all 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:53.200 experienced a. 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.840 Little of it in our own little world, you know. 0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:01.440 And uh, they they're just high character. 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:02.120 You know. 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.320 They had a lot of camaraderie. They value that. 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.600 I mean even Cody at the end, he summed it 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.800 up so well. He was basically like, Clay, you asked. 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.000 Me about the danger stuff, and I've told you those stories, 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.120 he said, But that's not what I think about when 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.600 I think of logging, he said, I think about the 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.920 good days when nothing bad happened and we got a 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.160 little logs out and we didn't almost die and we 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.120 had a good sandwich together at lunch. 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.800 Yeah. You know, one thing too, I think was really cool. 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:36.240 They knew from communicating what people wanted to hear. 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.960 I mean they don't want to hear. You know. We 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:39.760 went out and got a. 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:43.280 Lot of logs, we got paid it was so wonderful. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.720 We want to hear the tragedy. Yeah, and you know 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.560 they acknowledge that that. You know, they they have these 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.520 stories if you want to hear them. Yeah, and people 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.080 that's what they want to hear, you know, Yeah, that's 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:56.880 what I want to hear. 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.000 Yeah. So they're entertaining. 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:07.120 Yeah, they're good storytellers. Yeah, they're good storytellers. Brent, what 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:08.720 you listen to them? What do you think? 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.760 Man, Well, to go along with what Gary said, it's 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.200 a sense of duty that they had about the toughness. 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.120 I mean, they were absolutely tough as woodpecker lips, but 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.840 they it was just what they had to do to 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:23.880 get the job done. 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:27.920 Can't take it. 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.480 Hey, not not to derail the conversation, but the other day, 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.320 Brent and I were at National Wild Turkey. 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.960 This is totally derailing the conversation. We're at National Wild 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.360 Turkey Federation. Brent, We're in the same hotel room. Bears 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.440 on the floor. I'm in a bed, Brent's another bed. 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.520 Brent wakes up, goes to the bathroom. He doesn't know 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.920 anyone's listening. I'm like asleep over there, and he walks 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.360 into this little bitty bathroom and I hear him mumble 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.960 under his breath. This is He said, it's so small 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.160 in here. You couldn't cuss a cat without getting hair 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:04.680 in your mouth. 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:06.920 A little bathroom. 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.400 And I woke up, like out of sleep, and I said, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.680 what did you just And he said, you couldn't cuss 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.560 a cat in there without getting hair in your mouth. 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.080 And he said, my grandma used to say that. 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.680 He just went on, brushed his teeth. Yeah, went on 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.520 about his day, carry on. What do you think about 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.960 the logging episode, Well, toughest woodpecker lips. 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.239 Yeah. And it wasn't out of I'm so tough. I 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.799 can do this. It's I I have to do this 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:38.800 to provide for my family. I broke my collar bone when. 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.439 I was a senior in high school and I have yet. 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.719 Unless my mother hears about this, she will this will 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.040 be when she learned about it. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:49.160 But it wasn't. 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:53.160 I kept playing football because it's you can feel it 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.640 right here. It's sidesteps that for the folks that ain't 0:34:56.640 --> 0:35:00.560 seeing my hands, it's it grew back wrong, m hm. 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.640 Because I loved playing football so much. But I felt 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.360 a sense of duty to all the folks on my 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:13.000 team to stay there and now changed all my arm 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.440 I'm probably gonna tell somebody, Yeah, but I get that 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.719 sense of duty and my profession that I worked in 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:25.120 for so long. That was how I was able to 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:26.719 make it through a lot of places and a lot 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.359 of things, and a lot of the folks that worked 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.239 with me were was because we trusted each other and 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.920 we depended on each other for so much that that 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.200 sense of duty is very very strong, and the same 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.080 with you know, taking care of your family. It's I 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.239 got a lot out of it. I appreciated listen to it, 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.040 and it was very good. 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.200 What I appreciate about tapping in and what I would 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.560 try to do every time I would talk to Teddy 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.120 the lines and those guys people like that every single 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.200 episode of Bear Grease. If I if I could, like 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.920 I liked tap and then the people who never dreamt 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.640 their stories would be told to the world. 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:05.479 Yeah, I mean, like. 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.520 Teddy Viliines, he wasn't doing that so he could tell 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:15.600 a story. And I valued that, yeah, authenticity. And I 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:21.279 was just thinking about that just in terms of just yeah, 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.640 just kind of the rugged nature of what they're doing. 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:25.480 It's just one of those things that I mean that 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.160 was what was that Wednesday? Yeah, that happened on Wednesday, 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:33.560 but Thursday was a great day. Yeah, yeah, nothing happened 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.200 on Thursday. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.920 Yeah, Misty, what do you think? Well, you want to 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:38.799 put the bear gloves on? 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.080 I would, I'd like to stick the cup of hands. 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:43.080 I'm good. 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:47.600 I don't have the colorful analogies that Brent has, but 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.319 I thought I thought it was pretty amazing. You know, 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:54.680 I had two grandpas, a great grandpa on my dad's 0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.200 side and a grandpa on my mom's dad. They were 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.320 both loggers, and so we kind of heard pretty crazy 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.200 logging story is growing up, and so a lot of 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.480 that was familiar. And as I was listening to their stories, 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:08.279 one of the things that kind of stuck out to 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.680 me as he was telling the story about the truck, 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.560 you know, going high speed down the hill. 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.480 I was listening to it. 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.480 One morning and there was just a lot, there was 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.440 a lot going on in my world, and I was 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:27.680 trying to, you know, resolve some problems, solve resolve some 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.799 some kind of complex situations. And I was listening to 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.200 that and he was talking about this crazy situation where 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.359 this truck flying down the mountain and he's gonna die 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.200 and he's got he's calculating all this stuff, and he 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:41.360 just says, Lord help me. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:42.759 And and I. 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:46.360 Thought, you know, there's some of the things that people 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.840 that people do. There's some and or they used to do. 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.640 There's there's a level of simplicity when when everything you know, 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.800 when you're in a high risk, high danger situation, everything 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.560 all the other options go away. Like he's thinking through 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.800 the complex things like if I get in that field, 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.120 I'm going to or if I if I hit that 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.359 go over here, I'm going to hit the bluff. And 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.960 you know, so he's thinking through all these things. But 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.040 at the end of the day, it's just like, Lord 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.600 help me. There's really not much left but that. And 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.480 and this was before he got to kind of the 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.799 point of the story, and I just thought, man, that's 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:23.600 there are a lot that's a simple solution and a 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.480 good solution, like the best solution. And then he goes 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.280 on to talk about just you know, you're not in control, 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.600 you're not in control. And he kind of got to 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.640 that place rapidly as his life, you know, could have 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.600 had minutes left in it, you know, as he was 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.880 as he was calculating what he needed to do, and 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.400 he got he got to this most simple solution, and 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:46.160 I just thought, there's a I think sometimes life can 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:50.280 be so complex, so and that really those simple solutions 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.600 still still work. Still still Lord helped me work for 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.959 about every solution, every problem you got, you know that 0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.759 that that'll help. And then when his son was talking 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.560 about it and he said, and I just saw him, 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:02.840 and I just. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.359 Said, oh, Lord, help him, Lord Lord. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.719 And that was kind of both of their both of 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.680 their response and that in that situation, and I just thought, 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.120 you know, that we could simplify things a whole lot. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.640 And I kind of thought about my own situation that 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:16.399 that that I was. 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.880 Dealing with, and I think, I think raising kids, raising 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.160 a family, there's just a whole lot of challenges that 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.440 come in and and I've got some ideas about those things. 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.320 I've got ideas about raising kids, but I've got ideas 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.279 about you know, I've got degrees and child development and 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.440 family and and at. 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.920 The end of the day, sometimes just all that stuff. 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.560 Knowed is powerful. 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.840 Yeah, That's that's what I said in the podcast about 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.719 what Teddy said, because somebody might somebody might hear that, 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:54.000 and in that moment, in that situation, he said he 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.160 learned that God was in control. And it's like, well, 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.120 why would that be important? I mean, because that's not 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.880 actually an answer to the to the to the problem. 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.160 I mean, the answer to the problem would have been 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.239 to the truck to stop, or for for it never 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.719 to have happened, or or for him to have been 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:16.160 able to turn it and gain control. And and that's I 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.560 just got to thinking about it, like why is it so? 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.720 Why is it so revelational? Like it's not intellectual knowledge. 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.560 There's a probably not out of ten Americans, maybe seven 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.440 out of ten would say God's in control? 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.200 But why is it valuable? And and and I. 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:39.160 Think it's really about, like what I said about reality, 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.480 there's something that shifts inside of us when when we 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.200 recognize its truth to the situation. 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.800 It's helpful for the next time you get in that bind. 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:50.800 You know that's sending pop. 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.920 One of those out rather than milk and along. When 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:56.560 do you have one? 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:58.200 What whether he deals there? 0:40:58.200 --> 0:40:59.120 Are you trying to get it out? 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.080 No? Oh, I'm playing with it. Don't do that. 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.040 This will get you kicked off the render. 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.239 Right now, I'm thinking, Lord, help Gary with that racket. 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:12.719 I thought you were trying. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.360 I thought you're trying to slow Like when you're in 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:19.560 church and you're unwrapped, unrap you know, unwrapping butterscotch or something. 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:20.560 You can actually hear that. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.160 I got ears like an eagle really doesn't, he's got 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:24.880 very weak. 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:32.080 But realizing that will help you get to through the 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:38.480 next thing with confidence. Yeah, you know that what it is, 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.239 what is is what it is. Now you can you 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.480 have you can control your fate, your destiny. You know, 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.920 you can getting sleeping bag laid down in the highway 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.520 and your chances of survival are lot slimmer than sleeping 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:53.800 in the in the woods. 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:54.600 You know, but. 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.719 You your path now getting into all that, it's just 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.600 it's comforting to know that if you keep your mind 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:09.520 right and you priorities in order, it's can work out 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:10.920 probably the way it's supposed to do. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.520 Whether you live through it or not, that's not our plan. 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:15.400 Mm hm. 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.480 Bear what stood out to you, Well, the first thing 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.480 that stood out to me was similar to what I 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.839 said last week, but I feel like Teddy kind of 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:27.799 emphasized it a little more this week. But one thing 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.080 that he said was I hate clear cutting. Like he 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.480 said it passionately. He hates clear cutting, And I thought 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.759 that was interesting, just again a look inside of the 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.800 reality of what the laggers are doing, and especially loggers 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:45.120 that already lived their life close to the land that 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.759 you know, they really rely on the resource. Therefore they 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.120 want to protect it. They're not clear cutting, whereas like 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.759 I would imagine a big company would be much more 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.600 likely to just go clearcut someplace and destroy the habitat. 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.399 So I thought that that was interesting, but also kind 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.120 of like what you guys were saying was like the whenever, 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.240 whenever he was going down the hill in that truck, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:12.960 how the reality of a very simple principle kind of 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.640 like made it past his mind into his heart in 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:19.840 that moment and he could actually implement it in his life. 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:21.400 And how sometimes that's. 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:24.839 Like that's the way that that God speaks to us, 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:29.480 is like like it might be a very simple principle, 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.280 like if you've read through, you know, the Gospels, you'd 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.360 probably have a good idea of just like the principles 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.040 that you need to live by. And but whenever it 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.600 really makes it passed your mind into your heart, that's 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.839 whenever it becomes a reality that you live. And it's 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.640 not a it's not a discipline, Like, if it's a discipline, 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.399 it won't last. But if it's a reality in your heart, 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.640 then you'll be able to do that for your whole life. 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.440 But sometimes in order for that to become a reality, 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.600 you've got to experience. You've got to experience the reality. 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.799 And so I thought that was interesting whenever he said that, 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.759 because that was a pretty extreme version of that. But 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.600 like that does happen to everyone in their everyday lives, 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:16.400 Like a reality is imparted to them through a situation, 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.120 even though it's something they already knew, but it's. 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.120 And that's the that's the question. Did he know it? 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.600 Or did did do any of us know it? 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:25.640 Know it? 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.279 What does know it mean? I mean like an. 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.000 Intellectual hat tip to a bunch of stuff that people 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.000 actually don't know. Like, yeah, you could say that you 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.759 you know something, but until it's you know that that 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.239 heart knowledge that you know, we could describe it this 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.520 revelational knowledge, experiential knowledge, you know. 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.840 That's that's what it was. It was a it was 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.480 a it was a transactional event. 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.560 It jumped past his mind, you know, like there's knowing 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.759 with your mind and then there's knowing and that right here. 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.040 And that's the complexity of being a human is that 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.520 you can know something, You can know the answer to 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:05.000 the test, but really not know the answer to the question. 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:09.799 Yeah, I doubt, I seriously doubt that he had a 0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.440 master's degree in physics. But in that short period of 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.160 time he had worked it out the equation. Now that 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.520 that truck in that sycamore tree and him in the 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.799 middle was not going to work out well. And you 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.440 can I used to say it all the time working Rex. 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.360 You know, you can violate the laws of man, but 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.440 the laws of physics will get you every time. 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:33.440 And he had come to that realization, and that's you know, 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:34.400 it took longer. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.879 I'm sure it took ten times as long to tell 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:39.560 that story as it did for that to have. 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:41.440 Yeah, yeah, it probably was. 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.160 I mean he said it was a tenth of a mile, 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.200 which you know, that's a couple hundred yards tenth of 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.160 a mile, five hundred feet. 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:51.880 I could walk that in less time than it took 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:52.600 him to tell that. 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.279 Five hundred feet would essentially be one hundred and fifty yards. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.040 I put a picture of it up where it went down, 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:05.040 and some some very ill informed human was like, that 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.960 doesn't look very steep to me, I envisioned it being steeper. 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.120 First of all, if you've ever been in steep country 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.560 and you take photos of it, you recognize that photos 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.399 don't show steepness. And when you're going that well log 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:23.640 truck eighty thousand pounds, a slight incline can be all 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:24.000 you need. 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:24.799 Man. 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.840 When I heard the story, the physics of it is 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.879 pretty interesting that that it was. 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:30.400 It was. 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:35.600 It had been very dry and just a frog strangler 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.320 came and he said it was one of those flash 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.960 floods where like there's two or three inches of water 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.839 flowing on top of not in gullies, but. 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:50.600 Just across the like before it soaks in. And I 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.960 mean he was just floating on water basically and just 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.959 made He's crazy on top Cody, Cody saying he looked 0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:01.560 over and that that that tin wheeler was. I think 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.720 it was a tin wheeler, not a tire, was moving 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.239 and he was going forty miles an hour. I mean, 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:13.200 a pretty astonishing and I cannot relate. I don't want 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.319 to pretend like I can relate to what Teddy the 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:19.080 fear he experienced. But when I worked for Buck Tittsworth 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.880 and Mina Arkansas back when I was in high school. 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.880 He lived at the top of a mountain and he 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:30.600 had a mile long driveway and you gained about at 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.320 least five hundred feet of elevation, if not six hundred 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.680 or more going from the valley floor to his house. 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.800 You know where I'm talking about, Yah, And he had 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:45.960 like the first eighty yards of the driveway paved in 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.759 the last and so for close to a mile it 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.560 was dirt roads, and it was a road that they'd 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.399 cut in with a dozer, and it wound like this. Well, 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.480 I was cleaning up construction he'd built his house, and 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.120 I was I had a four wheeler, a Yamaha Big 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:07.000 Bear four wheel drive four wheeler and a trailer, about 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:10.080 an eight foot like trailer you pull behind a truck, 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.520 and his four wheeler had a ball on it, and 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.160 I loaded that thing up full of construction debris, just 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:21.279 heaping to overflowing. And we had a big burn pile 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.600 at the bottom of the hill. So I had to 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.120 go down that almost mile long driveway with that Yamaha 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.840 big Bear four wheel drive with the trailer. 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:33.279 I didn't think a thing about it. 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:40.280 I just pulled, pulled out and just barely got started 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.200 down that hill and came to the first corner, which 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:46.759 was within sight of his house, and I hit the 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:52.439 brakes and it just starts sliding. And I knew enough 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.799 from being trained by Gary Nucom in driving, is that 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:59.719 when you're sliding, you cannot break yep. And you know, 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.759 Teddy was trying to show that like he gassed it 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:06.000 at one point. Teddy really knows what he's doing, and 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.560 he said, at one point he gassed it trying to 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:12.280 get traction. He put on the jake brake, he pumped 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.320 the brakes, he tried to turn it to flip the truck, 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:18.080 like he had all these solutions going through his mind. 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:19.600 None of them work well. 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:21.840 When I hit the brake and slid, while I was 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:24.120 still withinside a Buck's house, and I knew I had 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.440 a mile to go, I knew I was in like 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.320 big trouble, and I knew I couldn't hit the brake, 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.799 and I was in whatever gear I was, and I 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.640 would gear down and it would slide, I mean, so 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.360 there was no stopping it. And basically I just rode 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:42.080 that thing like a bucking horse down that mountain and 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:43.920 when I got to the bottom, I mean, I was 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.920 just like, I mean, no heart was pounding at me. 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:48.960 It was just a miracle. I didn't drive it off 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:49.480 that mountain. 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:50.840 Why didn't you tell me about that? 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.560 I probably did, I wouldn't have I didn't try to 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:55.960 hide it. 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.160 You also cut into your leg with a chain saw 0:49:58.360 --> 0:49:59.200 at that same place. 0:49:59.239 --> 0:49:59.919 I've got a scar. 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.359 I got a scar at this angle right across my leg. 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.840 Right there is that man, Buck Titsworth. 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:07.440 I wonder if he. 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.680 Wants to pay me or he owes me. Yeah, uh oh, 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:12.640 he was a great boss. 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:14.040 Yeah. 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.120 I was cutting trees with a chainsaw. 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.360 I was I think I was sixteen or seventeen, and 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:20.640 I just got. 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:25.120 Done cutting a tree. Whoa, and just laid the saw 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:25.960 down right on my. 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.479 Leg, just while it was still running, and it cut 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:30.879 me cut through my pants and I got a scar 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.160 about that long right there to this day. 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.320 Yep, yep. 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.440 And I also called up my first gobbler, Turkey and 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:43.719 Buck Titsworth's backyard. I was picking up trash around the 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:47.520 front and I saw around the corner of the house 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.640 the backside, I saw a gobbler strutting with two hens 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:54.319 like sixty yards from the house. Luckily, Clay Knukeom had 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.640 a diephram in his pocket, and so I took the diaphragm, 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.520 snuck around the house, got on a big old pine 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:01.960 tree on the what. 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.640 And here, yeah, it was pretty bad. 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:12.480 And here that gobbler came and he's he's strudged with 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.560 those hens right down below me. I mean, like wile 0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.920 there's like construction workers like twenty yards from me hammering 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:18.800 on the building. 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.680 But that was a detour. 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:27.239 That was a detour to say how incredibly scary it 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:31.000 is to be out of control, anything out of control. 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:34.680 Your body picks up on it quick. You're out of control. 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.759 This is dangerous. You're gonna die, Yeah, because. 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:39.840 Your brain is actually just a prediction machine. You know, 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.360 that's the way the brain works, and so it's constantly 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:43.040 making predictions. 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:44.960 And when you're I mean that. 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.520 That just sets off the fight or flight response and 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.400 you're you're in trouble at that point. I mean, this 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.640 is like you're going down. 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:08.840 You know what wasn't really said overtly, but was implied 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:15.399 is that he hit that timber and just dodged all 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.560 the big trees, because he could have hit a big 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.160 tree that would have stopped him, and it would have 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.840 been like a head on collision with a train like 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:23.640 it just would have. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.040 And what didn't come out of there too is And 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:30.280 I've worked these kind of accidents when those law trucks 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:31.719 come to a sudden stop. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.920 The laws keep moving up. Yeah we go, Yeah, they 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:34.560 come forward. 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.160 That's what I was worried was going to happen. 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.520 Yeah, and worked a few of those. 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:41.799 I want to I want to ask you about that. 0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:48.000 Okay, Uh, Brent's Brent spent a lot of time in 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.960 law enforcement in an area of Arkansas, South Arkansas that 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.359 was big log country. You had some pretty serious run 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.359 ends with log and accidents, yep. 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:03.600 A couple where where they were they lost control and 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:08.120 turned over or you know, weight shifted, log shifted or 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.799 went around a corner too fast. But I remember one 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:16.080 where two his log truck and a semi hit and 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:21.240 the fatal the fatality happened to the log truck driver 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:23.880 because of what I just said. Once they hit, the 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.960 logs kept moving and he came forward and wow and 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:29.800 crushed him in the cab. But one of the ones 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:34.400 that made probably the most the biggest impact on me 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:39.759 that I think about a lot, was one there were 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:43.279 some folks that lived in this other part of the 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:47.879 county and they were migrant workers. And this guy had 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:50.399 went to work on this logging crew and he had 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:54.160 gotten he'd gotten killed a log a tree had fallen 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.120 and killed him. So at that time I was a 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:01.080 patrol deputy and it was my job to take to 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:06.359 deliver death messages to people. And there was no next 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.359 to Ken or what his next to Ken was like 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:13.239 is in South America somewhere. So once the accident, the 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:15.759 coroner called and said, you know, we've we've got this 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:17.680 duty to do. You need to send a deputy out 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.239 to this address. And I don't think that, you know, 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:24.680 the people speak English there. So I got an interpreter 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:28.359 and their parish priest where they went, where they went 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.560 to church, and went down there and drove up to 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:35.239 the house and this lady comes out and she's there's 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:40.239 a little kid, and she's told one there. And I 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:44.120 introduced myself and asked her if she spoke English, and 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:46.960 she looked at the interpreter, you know, and the interpreter 0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:51.000 started talking. So then I had to I had to 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:54.000 tell her that her husband had been killed in a 0:54:55.239 --> 0:55:00.799 logging accident. And as I'm telling her in English. She 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:05.080 knows what's going on, and I said, it is my 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:08.120 sorrowful duty to you to inform you that your husband, 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:11.680 and I said his name was killed in a logging. 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:12.360 Accident this morning. 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.120 So when I'm looking at her and telling her that, 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:20.120 she's looking at the lady who is the interpreter beside me, 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.239 and I can see tears welling up in her eyes 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.760 because she knows that whatever I'm saying is terrible, because 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:28.920 here's this man in uniform and he's my priest is 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:33.960 back here, and this other lady, so something's bad. 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.920 So she knows it's bad. So the interpreter then tells 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:38.239 her in. 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:44.200 Spanish, you know what happened, And one big old tear 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.160 came out and just rolled down her cheek, and she 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.719 grabbed her kids up, and the kids started crying, and 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:53.600 the priest and the lady went in and they didn't 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.160 need me anymore, so I left and I talked to her. 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.799 I talked to the priest two or three days later, 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:03.080 I went by that church and asked him how. 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:03.520 She was doing. 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:06.640 He said, they're find they had family coming in, you know, 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.239 as good as they perish, was taking care of them. 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.399 But I asked him, I said, man, I said, I don't. 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:16.160 It was something I didn't I got a question about. 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:22.080 I said, I've delivered death messages before to people and 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:26.080 from car wrecks and different things, I said, and nearly 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:29.759 everybody's a wreck, I said, this lady, she took it 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:34.600 like a champ. I couldn't believe how stoic she was 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.000 about it. I mean, you could see she was visibly upset, 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:41.640 but how just the way she took it was. It 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:46.640 impressed me a lot, how strong she was. And he said, well, 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.680 you got to remember that these folks come from places 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:55.759 not like where they live now, and death comes all 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.840 the time. You know, they don't live to be old. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.319 The places where they work and the things they have 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:05.040 to do where they live down there and wherever it 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.680 was that she lived or where they were originally from, 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:11.560 life was a lot harder than it was here, and 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:16.240 it was kind of expected, and it's been I think 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.280 that has been the biggest thing for me to deal 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:23.240 with over all these years of thinking how good we 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.240 have it and how good how bad they had it, 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.439 and the long ways that they went to be here 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:32.720 for to make a better life for themselves, and then 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:36.480 that terrible thing happened to that man that she would 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.520 more or less expect and would have expected to happen 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:43.400 to him, where they lived, where they were from. 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:50.840 So I'm not happy. Note, it's just it's just tough. 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.680 It's there. 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.200 There was several of those, a lot of those, and 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:59.120 I think about them. I think about them a lot. 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:03.600 So I don't I don't have an answer really for 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:09.760 how to where you go from that, but it's a 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:13.040 it's a dangerous job for sure, yeah, you know, and 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.520 that that kind of stuff happens. 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:20.360 Does law enforcement still deliver death messages to families now? 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:24.160 With cell phones? Like I was just thinking about, like 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.440 back in that time, I mean people would add landlines. 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.880 I mean probably in the nineties or early two thousands 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.440 or something. I don't, man, I don't know, you know 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.920 what I mean, because it feels like if something happened. 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.080 Well, I mean now, I mean people are putting stuff 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:41.280 on the internet, you know, on Facebook and all social 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:45.200 media stuff that before they could say, you know, a 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.880 vehicle or's an accident in the next akin, they're waiting. 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.600 When you hear something about their waiting on the next 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:51.760 aken to be notified. 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:56.200 That's a law enforcement agency somewhere going to deliver them. 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:57.040 They still do that. 0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:01.000 Yeah, as far as I know that do Yeah. 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:00.880 It's interesting. 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:01.760 Ali. 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:03.200 That seems like a tough part of the job. 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.080 It was terrible. 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:13.480 Mm hmmm mm hmmm, Josh, what stood out to you? 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:19.080 You know that just from the danger? The danger just 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:21.439 reminded me of of a story of a family friend 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:28.480 of ours and the the uh, the inversion of of 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:31.680 Teddy the lines. He had this this family friend of 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:33.880 close family friend of ours. He'd spent some time as 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:38.360 a logger out in Washington State and he was a 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.760 he was a man's man, I mean, just a big guy, 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.760 big fiery, red beard, and he kind of went out 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.840 west to go go be a logger and there was 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.320 a lot of that bravado and macho And he told 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.920 me the story of when he got there. He went 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.320 into the steel chainsaw shop and he said, I want 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:59.439 the biggest, baddest chainsaw you got, and uh, the guy 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:01.800 behind the count said, here you go, and he hands 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.400 him this chainsaw and it's got a sixty inch bar 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:08.000 on it and they're cutting big furs out there, and 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:09.800 he said, you can take it out back and try it. 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:12.360 And they had some logs out back, and he said, 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.680 I went out there and he said, I fired that 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:17.680 bad boy up and I laid into this three foot 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.880 log with this chainsaw, and he said it got about 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:22.880 halfway through. And this is a big man. He's probably 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.600 six foot two, six foot three, probably two hundred and 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.400 fifty pounds in his prime, and he said it, he 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.240 said it it just cut through it like butter. And 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.640 it didn't hang up until it got about halfway through. 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:36.880 And he said, when it got halfway through, it picked 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.000 me up off the ground. And he said, I was 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:41.880 able to get it out. And I walked back in 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:47.760 and said, do you have anything smaller? And it just 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:52.080 I was reminded that story because thinking about Teddy the Lines, 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:56.200 Teddy the Lines is probably five foot eight. I mean, 1:00:56.280 --> 1:01:00.720 he's one hundred and thirty pounds, probably soaking wet, and 1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:03.960 he just doesn't carry any of that, you know what 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:08.000 I mean. It's I have great appreciation for men who 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.400 are humble and men who live by a code. And 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:13.760 these are those guys that embody that in their day 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.200 to day life, you know what I mean. They're men 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.360 of integrity, men of honor, men who care about their 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:22.920 family and their friends, I mean, what's more honorable than that? 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.560 And so I think, you know, and these guys, you know, 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:29.880 none of those guys are big, old, huge, macho guys, 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.480 but they'll probably work just about anybody under the table, 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:35.040 you know what I mean, just because of their commitment 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.880 to diligence and hard work, you know what I mean. 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:42.640 There's no showing off. And yeah, I just I think 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.440 that inside of it, you know, I like how you 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:50.040 said that there's a fine line between between being reckless 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:54.000 and just working hard and being caught in a profession 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:57.280 that's dangerous. And they probably they probably teetered that line 1:01:57.320 --> 1:02:00.720 a few times, but there was no there was no 1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:03.400 intent to just show off. There was just this intent 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.320 to a commitment to do what they had to do 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.560 to get the job done. And uh, yeah, I just 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:11.720 I really appreciate it. I got to I got to 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:13.800 see Teddy Theliones a couple of weeks ago. I went 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:18.560 and visited their church, was justin house, and and Teddy 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.560 stood up and just in the middle of the service 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.160 and just thanked the Lord for how he's doing. You know, 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:27.240 you mentioned that he's fighting cancer and he got a 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:30.440 pretty good report, and he just thanked the Lord for that, 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:33.600 And I mean, that's a that's a guy that's worth 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:35.120 celebrating on a podcast. 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:36.480 You know. 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.760 It was there's always judgment calls inside of people's personal 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:44.560 stories that we have to make all the time, Like 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:51.840 and and the Vilnes Boys talked about in the Render 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:56.760 they actually brought up Eddie's dementia and they they brought 1:02:56.840 --> 1:03:02.800 up Teddy's situation too. But I I, so, I felt 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:04.920 like I kind of had, you know, their permission in 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:07.240 a way to to say that. But it was just 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:11.760 part of the story to hear, you know, because because 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:15.440 Teddy said, you know that that wreck helps him see. 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:16.080 Who was in control. 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:19.480 And then now he's got you know, he's got this cancer, 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:23.440 and I, you know, I just couldn't give too much information. 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:26.880 But he's doing really good, he is. That's the report 1:03:26.880 --> 1:03:27.320 that we've. 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:32.440 Got right now. It's doing really good. And so that's fantastic. Yeah, 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.560 I haven't heard he was logging with him this week. 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:35.560 Oh really. 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:38.760 He was. He he was. 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:40.600 He's out in the woods with him probably right now. 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:42.040 I love it. 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:45.360 Yeah, I would say Teddy wouldn't see award for best 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:46.520 laugh on the Bear Grease. 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:47.520 Yeah. 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:49.920 When I was listening to the to it. That's what 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:52.120 I kept I kept laughing every time you would laughing. 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:56.520 Yeah, hey, what about the story? 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:58.400 Happened so quick, and it was kind of the cold 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:02.880 open the story his dad ari one in the middle 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:04.760 of the night at Granny Henderson's house. 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:07.120 I mean that was crazy. 1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:07.480 Yeah. 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:08.040 Yeah. 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:12.360 Well, and and I've heard Willard, the other brother, tell 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:16.400 that story before too, And and he said that the 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:17.479 dad was. 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:19.920 Woke up in the middle of the. 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.400 Night just like it's time to go. It's time to go, 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:24.600 you know, like you you know how we all would do. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.000 But then we'd look at our alarm clock or our 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:30.520 clock and be like, oh, it's four hours. 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.640 Before it need to be up. I was just nervous. Well, 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:34.520 he woke up in the middle of the night. 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.320 This is a story that Willard told, which was the 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:41.960 same story, but but Teddy just didn't quite have the 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:44.080 tell this particular thing. 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:47.360 But you know, he woke up and was just like, 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:48.720 oh my gosh, it's time to go. 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:51.880 And you know, the wife Cynthia jumps up and cooks 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:54.840 breakfast and then goes and harnesses the mule and then 1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:59.160 he he rushes, he rushes off to Grannie Henderson's house 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:04.280 and and knocks on the door and then Frank Henderson's like, 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:05.040 what are you doing here? 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:05.240 Man? 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.040 And I mean maybe they had an alarm clock. 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:10.760 I don't know, maybe they somehow knew exactly what time 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:11.080 it was. 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:15.840 But those stories of those guys are are are I 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:17.360 like those old stories? 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:20.560 But uh, go back and listen to the Granny Henderson. 1:05:21.240 --> 1:05:21.439 Yeah. 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:25.919 Yeah, there's there's a lot of connection between a lot 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:31.480 of these stories we tell, it seems, but uh, you 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:33.800 knew you probably did business with a lot of loggers 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:36.800 back in the day. Yeah, yeah, I sure did down 1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:38.560 and mean a big, big log country. 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:39.160 Yeah. 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:40.240 Yeah. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:42.720 These guys are all cutting hardwoods up here down in 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:47.720 Meana and the washtalls. They're cutting primarily pine, mostly pine. 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:48.440 Yeah. 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:50.680 I don't have any stories about them. I mean they 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:53.880 were just hard working guys and most of them made 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:59.720 a lot of money. Yeah. My neighbor logger mm hmm. 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:02.520 And uh he lived in a beer house and I 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:10.840 did I hope he was content, oh me. Uh, they 1:06:10.880 --> 1:06:12.360 were all good people though. 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:14.400 I mean, you know, he just didn't find him. 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:18.280 I never encountered a lagger that I thought was not 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.080 worthy of loaning a little money too. 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:22.240 I grew up with. 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:24.919 I went to school with a lot of kids whose 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:29.520 dads were laggers, and uh, the one one of them, 1:06:29.880 --> 1:06:34.040 his dad, I won't say his name, but uh, he 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:37.280 was a lagger and he was all we always knew 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:43.360 him as. Uh he got shot in a bar in Oklahoma. Yeah, 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:47.000 it was my Well, I hate to say his name. 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:49.240 I don't know why. I feel like I'm violating, like 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:50.160 hippa or something. 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:53.880 He shot, should be careful. Okay, Well that's good. 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:59.840 My my my friend in high school, his dad was 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:02.680 got in a bar in Oklahoma and survived. 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:05.680 And he was a logger and was a good guy. 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:09.480 In their defense, if you find yourself in a bar 1:07:09.760 --> 1:07:12.200 in southeast Oklahoma, there's a high likelihood. 1:07:13.320 --> 1:07:14.720 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:15.400 We learned that. 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:19.680 My great grandpa was a logger and he we heard stories. 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:22.560 Every time someone would find out, oh, Louis Joplin's your grandpa, 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.000 the would always say strongest man I ever ever saw. 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:27.240 One time I saw him catch a whole a whole 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:29.240 truck of logs on his back. I mean that, I 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:31.600 promise I heard that story really, yeah, and it's not 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:32.200 true at all. 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.480 It's not I asked, I asked the story. 1:07:35.760 --> 1:07:37.760 But that's everyone would tell me that he was a 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.920 really strong he was six or four really, I mean 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:43.160 even Clay met him before he died. He died around 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.920 close to ninety and he was still a big, big. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:49.040 Old Well we heard the story. So there's a famous 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:53.160 story in Misty's family and we we uh, I got 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:54.960 all foreshadow about the book. 1:07:55.440 --> 1:08:00.800 Yeah, Lewis Joplin, Missy's great grandfather is is there's a 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:04.000 section about him in the book because in the Black 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:06.680 Bear book that's coming out spring of twenty seven, get 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:12.040 Ready is about trees because black bears need trees, and 1:08:12.040 --> 1:08:15.000 it's about the logging industry, which actually had more impact 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:16.639 on black bears than market hunting. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:18.000 Was he the one that killed the bear? 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:18.599 Yeah? 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:18.880 Rock? 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:22.120 Yeah, So Lewis Joplin killed a bear with a rock. 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:25.320 And one of the first times I ever was it 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:26.439 after we were married or while. 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:26.760 We were dating? 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:27.880 Oh, it's probably while we were dating. 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:28.439 While we were. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.880 Dating, I went to Louis Joplin's house. He was in 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:34.600 his late eighties in Hatfield, and Misty had told me 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.240 her great grandfather killed a bear with a rock, and 1:08:37.320 --> 1:08:40.040 I just was like, oh really, And so anyway I 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:41.879 went and asked to talk to him about it myself. 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:43.439 He told me the whole story. 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:48.800 But he there's a story of him being by a 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:53.760 log truck and the chain's breaking and a big load 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:54.960 of logs. 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:55.439 Fell on him. 1:08:56.160 --> 1:09:00.320 But there was a sapling right beside him that bent 1:09:00.439 --> 1:09:04.160 over like a fishing pole being bent by a fish, 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:09.519 and he was able. He survived basically because that tree 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:11.720 took some of the pressure. 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.880 Of the logs off of him. And while he was 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:18.559 under under the logs, he's he's talking to his buddies 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:22.479 and they their equipment was out of gas. 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:24.400 It was out of gas and they're a long ways 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:26.200 from gas, so they couldn't just pull it off. Because 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:27.840 he kept saying, get you know, and get the thing 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:28.719 that pulls. 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:31.800 The Lewis is down there, and Misty remembers him saying 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:35.519 that he couldn't see. He calls for a mile dark yeah, 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:38.840 and the guys go, well, the skidter or whatever they had, 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:41.880 the track, the mechanized, the equipment they had was out 1:09:41.920 --> 1:09:44.760 of gas, and so the guys on the outside are 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:46.599 like saying, what do you want us to do. Lewis, 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:50.040 jopping from underneath the log pile, says, well, the guys 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:53.160 over the mountain have a team of mules go get them. 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:55.880 And they were like, well, do you have time. I mean, 1:09:55.920 --> 1:10:00.760 he's hurting, like the sapling is not completely say, like 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:01.920 they think he's. 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.320 Dying and they think the sapling is going to break. Yeah, 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:05.439 I mean that's the other thing they do. 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:08.000 It's like a load of logs as big as telephone poles, 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:12.160 you know, on top of him, and uh, And basically 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:15.280 one of the guys says, well, let's siphen some gas 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:17.920 out of the truck. So they siphon gas out of 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:20.800 the truck, put it in the skidter or loader or 1:10:20.800 --> 1:10:23.720 whatever they had. This is probably back in the fifties. 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:28.360 And and they one by one start pulling logs off 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:32.200 of him. And Lewis told how he could feel the 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:35.479 pressure with each log, every log he took off, he 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:37.759 would just feel a release of pressure. 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:38.160 Wow. 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.240 And it just kind of and he survises. And that's 1:10:41.280 --> 1:10:41.960 how people die. 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:45.720 I mean, that's just like wild you know, just like 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:47.799 we heard from the lines. I mean, there's a thousand 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:52.040 ways to die when you're uh, when you're getting when 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:53.400 you're messing with logs now, I. 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:55.760 Will tell you, I will close down. I'll give you 1:10:55.800 --> 1:10:59.000 all a chance to close out the podcast, I will 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:01.360 tell you the story that I told Teddy the lines 1:11:01.400 --> 1:11:04.080 when I walked out of his house after the episode. 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:06.519 And it's one of those stories that you kind of 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:10.560 wish you didn't tell because it's kind of like, no, 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:13.760 it's not that not as cool as you think. But 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:16.479 we were talking about getting hitting the head with logs. 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:20.240 I mean, like Kaylen had talked about how you got 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:23.680 knocked out and all this, and I said, I've been 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:25.920 hitting the head with a log once really hard, to 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:27.600 the point that it didn't knock me out. But I 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:29.479 actually it's the only time in my life I've ever 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:33.439 actually seen stars, you know, just kind of like seeing stars. 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.280 And it was it happened while I was leading a 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.080 mule that had panniers on it. 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:38.960 So I'm leading a. 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:42.160 Mule that has these big wide bags on the side 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:46.160 of it, so the mules about five feet wide, and 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:48.800 I'm just plowing down the top of a mountain, down 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:52.599 in the washtalls, just walking fast, just pulling this mule. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:55.200 I'm gonna hurry and by myself, I'm hot and sweaty, 1:11:55.240 --> 1:11:58.160 and we're just plowing through saplings or bending over and 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:01.440 all this and basically that panty or hits about a 1:12:01.479 --> 1:12:06.759 twelve foot tall, six inch at the base dead snag, 1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:10.720 and that snag just I'm just walking in it big. 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:15.479 That's just in the back of the head. It was 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:18.160 like getting hitting the head with a baseball bat from behind. 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.439 And I mean, I just, you know, had no idea 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:21.040 what happened. 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:22.880 I told that to Teddy. 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:25.719 I could see why you telling that story to Teddy, 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:26.400 and they. 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:31.559 Were just kind of like, okay, yeah, I found five dollars. 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:32.280 I'll be. 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:37.280 Good story quick, Britt. Britt has a deal if you 1:12:37.320 --> 1:12:38.479 tell a story that's kind of a. 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:40.040 Dud, that's my wife. Yeah. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:42.439 When you get done and like no one laughs or 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.719 no one thinks it's cool, you go and then I found. 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:45.520 Five dollars. 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:49.600 Works every time. 1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:53.880 Closing thoughts from the team, Gary Bear, Well, Hey, I. 1:12:53.800 --> 1:12:56.640 Do I have one Uh you know, I'm not a 1:12:56.720 --> 1:12:59.280 very good storyteller, but I've got one story I just 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.479 love and I'm make it real short. I'm just going 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:04.840 to tell you, well, I don't know about that. But 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:08.519 you talk about banking, you're talking about Eastern Oklahoma, You're 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:11.479 talking about bars. I have this big old boy, he's 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.360 the toughest guy in Oklahoma, at least in our part 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:14.920 of the state. 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:16.639 You know, everybody knows this guy. 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:20.200 He's tough as nails, he's a good guy, pays his bills, 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:21.200 he's my customer. 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:21.880 I love him. 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:24.040 And I go, hey, what's all this stuff? 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:28.360 I hear about you taking nine shots over at the borrow. 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:31.800 Shirt shirt highway. We said the name of the bar. 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:35.320 We're not protecting them the candle light yet yet. And 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.160 he goes, well, hey, let me just show you him. 1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:41.479 Button your shirt, pulled it open. Nine bullet holes. 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:47.360 Nine holes, he said, the bartenderself the bar. Yeah, oh yeah. 1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:50.639 The bartender had two guns. One had normal rounds, which 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:51.519 would have killed him. 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:55.320 The other had what peers ball. 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:59.040 Yeah, it would just shoot all And he said the 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:01.040 bartender grin have the wrong. 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:02.639 Gun. 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:05.639 When I walk He walked in intimidating this guy. I mean, 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:08.120 I won't get into the story there, but he was 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:09.160 doing something really bad. 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:10.720 Bartender just goes. 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:17.799 And so anyway, bartender's got a good eye at online rounds. 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:19.920 A lot of people got shot at That's where Cody, 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:22.760 That's where my buddy's dad got shot. 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:28.880 Actually, actually my buddy turned and ran to get his 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:32.280 thirty thirty and the bartender ran out to the side. 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.519 You got a guy with a thirty thirty and a 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:37.559 guy with his pistol and they're having to shootout. And 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:41.280 he got hit just around his heart, you know, around 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:44.000 his liver, you know, he just and he survived. 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:44.479 Wow. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:47.400 So well this is not the first time the candle 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:49.760 light has come up on Burgrease. That's where Louis Dell 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:51.200 and Charlie got shot at. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:52.040 Yeah. 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:54.240 Wow, there's a lot of shooting at the candlelight. 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.320 Oh what's that count? 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:59.040 Is that? Is that where? That's not where? That's not 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:00.639 where the judy. 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:04.799 You know, that was also in Oklahoma, though. 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:08.040 It was Southeast Oklahoma is the wild West. 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:09.120 It's rough place. 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:16.240 I don't think we could say this. 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:16.639 Everyone's from Southeast Oklahoma. 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:22.000 Well, now that I start, I know some guys over there. 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:23.720 They all think the guys in Arkansas. 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:29.080 They talk about us, like can we talk about that? 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:29.839 That's good. 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:32.080 Closing thoughts, Brent. 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:33.160 It was good. 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:35.599 Thanks for being here, man, that's so nice to have you. 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:36.320 It was good. 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:42.759 I like I like the stories about people, real folks 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:45.040 and real folks that I can identify with, and those 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.200 folks are tip tip with the spear. 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:51.280 I liked it. Yep. 1:15:53.200 --> 1:16:00.439 Well thanks everybody for coming. I'm uh yeah, see these 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:01.719 guys will see you at the Black. 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:04.920 Bear Bonanza yep, yep. March seventh, to make it March seventh, 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:09.559 Benton ble Arkansas, and we'll see you on the Burgers 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:15.320 YouTube channel. Berger's Instagram. We've got meat Eater has what 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:19.200 they're calling twelve and twenty six that we're there's every 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:21.000 week there's a new video that comes up on the 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:26.960 media YouTube channel. But they're having twelve long form films 1:16:27.040 --> 1:16:30.640 that they're putting out, like hour long top films that 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.080 they're putting out this year that are that are kind 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:37.120 of different, edited a little different. Johannis just had a 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:39.439 film that came out about his Manitoba bear hunt with 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:44.040 Craig McCarthy. Yeah, Craig, And so that's that's out right 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:48.640 now and uh you can check that out. But uh 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:52.959 and uh man hat tip to the Misty's new Covis. 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:57.760 Look at those lash Those are flashy, flashy. 1:16:57.720 --> 1:16:58.839 To cove is all around. 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:04.599 Mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah. Keep the wild places wild, 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:05.720 as that's where the bears live.