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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Knucomb, and this is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Tokvi's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've

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Speaker 1: been wearing to Covis for years. The most comfortable boot

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Speaker 2: It's been a while since you've been on the Render

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Speaker 2: it we let you have a little cool off period.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. After the last time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, after the incident.

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Speaker 3: After the incident yet there was we're kidding dead.

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Speaker 5: Almo just kicked off completely. But I got a reprieve

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Speaker 5: and here I am.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's good. We're glad to have you back.

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Speaker 6: I knew better than coming in here and not wearing clothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I knew.

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Speaker 3: I see that one. We cut that one.

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Speaker 2: We've got uh we man, We've got the We've got

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Speaker 2: the crew back together. Do we have Gary Believer? But

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Speaker 2: we've got Brent Reeves here. I am ringing Wow after

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Speaker 2: all that. No, it's not it's Dad. That's what gets you,

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Speaker 2: That's what gets you on the rent of Brent. Great

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Speaker 2: to see you. It's been a while.

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Speaker 7: It has been as well, it's been it's been a while.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't I head can't tell you.

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Speaker 4: When it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while since you've been up here.

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Speaker 8: I think it's when the meat Eater crew is here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably was. Yeah. We also have doctor Misty

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Speaker 1: Nukeomb with us. Happy to be here, and we've got

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Speaker 1: Gary Nukkem in the Covis hot seat.

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Speaker 3: Bear John Newcomb's here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start off with uh, Josh Josh Langbridge spelmakers here.

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Speaker 4: Oh there he is.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I just with the immaculate mustache.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Bear, tell us about your boat.

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Speaker 2: What do you got, Well, this is the same boat

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Speaker 2: I brought last time, but I've got turn. I've got

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Speaker 2: something crazy on here, probably the craziest thing that I've

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Speaker 2: of a sperm whale tooth for the tip overlays on

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Speaker 2: my boat. That was given to me by Alaskan guy

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Speaker 2: David Bennett's. But the thing about sperm whale tooth is

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Speaker 2: it has to be over one hundred It has to

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Speaker 2: be grandfathered in before the marine Mammal Protection Act in

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Speaker 2: order to be able to use it. And this so

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Speaker 2: this sperm whale tooth, it's over one hundred years old.

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Speaker 2: So cut some little piece off and put.

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Speaker 4: It on the bow.

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Speaker 9: Very cool, yea, very cool.

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Speaker 3: And it's the Osae Grange bow.

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Speaker 2: I got it shooting, got the handle finished up and

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Speaker 2: U yeah. Now I'm just putting the art on it.

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Speaker 2: Got some wood burning I'm going to do in it.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 9: What kind of art are we looking at?

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Speaker 3: You'll just have to see.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, patent pending.

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're just going to go around the room here

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Speaker 2: to do just a small show and tell for those

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Speaker 2: of you that aren't watching the the YouTube video.

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Speaker 3: I am. I'm wearing my new boxing gloves, boxing gloves.

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Speaker 1: These are my black bear mits made to me by

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Speaker 1: Jacob at New England Naturals on Instagram. And this is

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Speaker 1: a prime black bear fur envision big huge mits that

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Speaker 1: go up almost to your elbow, like to your forearm.

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Speaker 1: Inside of these myts, though, is sheered beaver, so on

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Speaker 1: But the the the palls of it are leather and

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Speaker 10: And also as you could, you could also draw two

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Speaker 3: I'm soon to be the Far North.

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Speaker 8: You're departing soon.

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Speaker 1: To the Far North, and uh going to be in

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Speaker 1: the most extreme temperatures on the globe for a while.

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Speaker 3: So I'll be wearing.

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Speaker 1: These these these aren't these aren't show bear these aren't

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Speaker 1: for show. These are some go yeah, some socks, just

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Speaker 4: That wants to reach.

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Speaker 1: Uh So we uh, I just want to say, as

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Speaker 1: last episode was Cooking with Mom.

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Speaker 3: I loved it was a banger.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they looked good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a

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Speaker 1: So so there was a hog hunt with Bear with

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Speaker 1: if you went there, you wouldn't. You'd be looking at

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Speaker 1: with you know, on eighty five that eighty something thousand subscribers.

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Speaker 1: And that's because me and Bear pretty much when Bear

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Speaker 1: for it. We started a YouTube channel and at the

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Speaker 1: time is Bear Hunting Magazine, And there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: the stuff on there that Brent filmed for me, a

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Speaker 3: Before he was Brent, back when he was just cameraman,

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Speaker 2: So the the we just changed the name of the channel.

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Speaker 3: Bear is primarily taking it over.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I'll be on there, some Brent's gonna

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Speaker 2: This week I filmed a little coon hunt with a

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, next week.

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Speaker 2: Next week, We've got an elk hunt with the self

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Speaker 3: That's a twist, Yeah, how cool. It was a super

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Speaker 3: cool trip. What what else we got coming up on

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Speaker 2: So the week after that, we've got a hawk trapping

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Speaker 3: We trapped Harris hawks. He's a he's a falconer.

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Speaker 2: We trapped Harris socks out of the wild and then

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Speaker 2: hunting with him in North Carolina. So it's a pretty

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Speaker 2: crazy video. But we're gonna we're gonna get into a

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Speaker 2: also the just partnership with the natural world that you

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Speaker 2: it's this ancient sport. It's it's as ancient as far

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Speaker 2: as we have written history of and it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: just like using a dog, except you're actually going and

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's really wild.

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Speaker 1: We also have a hog hunt on Mules and Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: Yeah, alter of Turnpike Tributors coming up.

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Speaker 1: We went over there, had a big expedition with those

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Speaker 1: guys over in Oklahoma. That's going to be an episode

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Speaker 1: So lots of cool stuff coming up. We've also got

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Speaker 1: a real.

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Speaker 2: Bear grease Instagram page which you can catch all the action.

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Speaker 4: You bet there.

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Speaker 1: And you guys are going to be at the Black

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Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza, is that right, Brent?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, March seventh, March.

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Speaker 8: Seventh, that's neck. Well when this comes out, it'll be

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Speaker 8: that Saturday after this comes out. Wow, So yeah, yep,

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Speaker 8: three days after this comes out.

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Speaker 3: So the Black Bear Bonanza in Bentonville.

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Speaker 4: Bentonville be there or b Square said.

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Speaker 1: What do y'all know about? So it's unfortunate. This is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite events of the year. But I

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Speaker 10: Okay, all of us thought it was going to be

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Speaker 7: We were all, yeah, well you you shouldphrase that as

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Speaker 3: Me, someone else better than me.

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Speaker 2: Along with Brent Josh Bear, you might be there, miss him,

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Speaker 2: not sure make a cameo. But Brian Callahan, who's now

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Speaker 2: the CEO of Back Country Hunters and English who are

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Speaker 2: who are doing the hard work of con preservation of

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Speaker 3: They truly are.

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Speaker 1: I had a guy that I really value and appreciate

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Speaker 1: this morning. Send me something out here in Arkansas about

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Speaker 1: a dog related issue. Basically, they're trying to make it

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Speaker 1: where all dogs, any dog turned loose in the state

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Speaker 1: that sounds really great. I mean, it's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: I mean, like when you run deer with dogs and

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Speaker 7: and I know this is not what we're talking about,

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Speaker 7: but I'm not for it at all. I think it

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Speaker 7: as a young man. That stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: Want to do it right. I'm absolutely not for that

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's just it's an issue, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's basically legislation that is in advert certainly going

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Speaker 1: to dramatically hurt hound hunting. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: like private landownership issues deserve to be addressed because I

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Speaker 7: So the dates that you're talking about, in those places,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, voice their opinions in public.

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Speaker 7: Now there's a there is a famous line of dogs,

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Speaker 2: enough power by the time they got there, but they'd

447
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: go flying past this coon into the woods hundreds of

448
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: yards away, and I would just think, there's no way

449
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm finding those arrows. But I walked in a straight

450
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: line from where I shot it in all ten of

451
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: my arrows were within like twenty feet.

452
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: Are you you shot ten times?

453
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and one arrow got stuck up

454
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: in the tree right next to the coon.

455
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

456
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 7: Film on the cowboy moved there for a little bit,

457
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 7: and it wasn't now, it wasn't hundreds of yards, it

458
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 7: was tens of yards.

459
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: They weren't going that far.

460
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 7: No, well they would so so yeah, yeah.

461
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: It was probably like the second coon is probably like

462
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: sixty yards from where we were shooting at it.

463
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, yeah, the arrows were and I said, you know,

464
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 7: we should have thought and put some reflective tape on

465
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 7: this thing.

466
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that would be.

467
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 7: And then when we walked out there, it was like

468
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 7: here's one, here's one, here's one.

469
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 8: So you found all of them.

470
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: I came in there with a dozen and I left.

471
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: Out of there with eight.

472
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

473
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Speaker 4: Was it?

474
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: Big bottom lands though? Kind of open ground?

475
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: Well, we had.

476
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 7: We had initially hunted this place because it's got, it's

477
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 7: got a ridge, it's got it's full of black jack

478
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 7: oaks and they're maybe thirty feet tall, and I've tree

479
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 7: coons in there all the time. They're fifteen feet off

480
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 7: the ground, which would have been just perfect for him

481
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 7: to come down there and shoot with this with his

482
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 7: self bow. But it's been so dry there wasn't any

483
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 7: coons in there. And I hunted there four nights in

484
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 7: a row trying to find up there, and they were

485
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 7: all down in the bottom down. Oh, so that was

486
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 7: the shortest timber in that area that that we went to.

487
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: Both both coons were at about forty foot or a

488
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: little over.

489
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was our estimate.

490
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: It was a poke forty foot. Yeah, that's a long ways.

491
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: The second one, my arrows they weren't quite making it

492
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: up there, so that's why we squalled it down.

493
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: But you can watch the full video here.

494
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: In a couple of weeks happened, lots of suspense, lots

495
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: of suspense.

496
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 8: I'll be waiting until noon, soon as noon. That video

497
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Speaker 8: better be.

498
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: Out noon on Wednesday.

499
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: So, speaking of the arrow that's stuck in the tree,

500
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: that will one day be cut down.

501
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: By a logger.

502
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Speaker 9: Okay, we just nice.

503
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Speaker 1: We just came out with a series called American Logger,

504
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: and we we had the the lines cousins and brothers

505
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: on the last render from part one and and part

506
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: if you if you haven't caught up on it and

507
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: just maybe you're maybe you're new to the podcast and

508
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: you know our render. This this podcast is where we

509
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: talk about really what we're here to do. My my,

510
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: my main thing that I enjoy doing is these bear

511
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: grease documentary style episodes. And we we talked to Cody

512
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: and Klein Velnes about their multi generational history with their

513
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: father's grandfather and even further back than that of logging

514
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: into the ozarks. And these guys are logging, uh cutting

515
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: trees by hand, which that's a phrase that would be

516
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: used in the industry because so much of it now

517
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: is mechanized and they're cutting trees with big cutters and uh,

518
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people that's still cut by hand.

519
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: It's not like it's unheard of. Cut by hand doesn't

520
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: mean a hand powered saw. It means using the chainsaw

521
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: cut trees. But uh, it's a it's a it's a

522
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: dangerous dangerous.

523
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: Occupation. We you know, the Bureau of Labor.

524
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: Statistics shows that logan is I'm pretty sure it's still

525
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: the most dangerous industry in America. Really yeah, but it's

526
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: but it's less dangerous than it was. In nineteen ninety

527
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: there was.

528
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty eight deaths per one hundred thousand.

529
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: Loggers in America.

530
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: Wow, which which the number two was commercial fishing, which

531
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: Brent is a commercial fisherman.

532
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 8: That's right, he's done.

533
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: It was like in the fifties or sixty per one

534
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, so you can see it was almost I

535
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: think it was double the amount of guys that were

536
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: getting killed by logan, and I explained this on episode one.

537
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: But today logan is much safer, and I think there's

538
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: in the like sixty, well just between the fifty and

539
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: one hundred logger deaths per one hundred thousand. But so

540
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: it's come way down and it might even be in

541
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: the sixties. It was unclear to me, like today what

542
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: that statistic is though it had come down a lot,

543
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: and it was a lot because of mechanization, but the

544
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: danger still exists. And I just found it so interesting

545
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: that these guys that I knew who. I mean, I

546
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't pick them. They were just randomly the guys that

547
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: I knew and was friends with. And I've known they

548
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: were loggers for as long as I've known them, and

549
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: I've talked to them about it and always been intrigued

550
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: by it. But it's not like they're doing anything really

551
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: even that unique in that part of the world, in

552
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: the industry here in the Ozarks, and it's like, hey,

553
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: do y'all have any stories of nearly getting killed?

554
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: And it's like filling up. I mean, they didn't even.

555
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: Those were Those were just the stories they told, just

556
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: almost off the cuff, I mean, without even much preparation,

557
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: and you kind of started to see how dangerous that

558
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: logging is. And so this part two, Part Part one

559
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: was Kaitlin and Cody, who were about my age, a

560
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: little bit younger in the early forties, guys in our prime,

561
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, as we say. But on the second episode

562
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: we talked to Teddy Vilaines, who is who is Cody's father,

563
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: and he told some wild stories.

564
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: Dad, what stood out to you about the episodes? Did

565
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: you enjoy them?

566
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 6: Oh?

567
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: I really did.

568
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: I enjoyed their character.

569
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: Wonderful, wonderful family and I guess my favorite story, even

570
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 5: though I enjoyed every second of it, but when a

571
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 5: guy got I think it was Teddy got the chainsaw all.

572
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 6: Hung up in his shoulder.

573
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, running, you know, well, there's a lot of there's

574
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 5: a lot to look at there.

575
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 6: I mean, he had some old equipment.

576
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 5: The breaker bar was broken and another piece was broken,

577
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: and he could he wouldn't stop. It's running in his

578
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 5: stinking shoulder and the muscle's falling off, and he just

579
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: kept working. You know. He finally got it out, got

580
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: his finger where he could get it out, and he like, hey, man,

581
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 5: patch this thing up.

582
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 6: We got a load of logs. We got to get

583
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 6: out of here.

584
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

585
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: So anyway, I mean there, they're amazing people, dedicated people.

586
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: You know.

587
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: The objective was to make a living for their stinking

588
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: family at all costs and do it with integrity. Very impressive,

589
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: very impressive.

590
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: It is, it is.

591
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: And man, those those story.

592
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you're around people and maybe you've you've

593
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: you've come into their circle and you just start hearing

594
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: their stories.

595
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: And I do that a lot in this podcast.

596
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Just interviewing people, you you quickly see kind of an

597
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: emphasis that comes from just the lifestyle that they live,

598
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: and these guys talk a lot just about toughness, honestly,

599
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: but it doesn't come It struck me, especially with Teddy

600
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and Kaylen Cody. It doesn't come from a place of bravado.

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm macho, masculine, I'm tougher than you. You get that

602
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: sometimes and that that's not that appealing for somebody.

603
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying. Teddy.

604
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: When Teddy told that story that, he's just like, well,

605
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: you asked me if anything crazy ever happened, this happened.

606
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't.

607
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I've known those guys for quite a long time and

608
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: he's never told me that story, you know. But I

609
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: want to emphasize that because you you might. I noted

610
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: that like, they're not trying to be macho. It's just

611
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of the lifestyle and that. But they do value

612
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: that toughness and it's not just toughness for toughness sake.

613
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot behind it.

614
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you know another thing I noticed about that,

615
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 5: and I've experienced it. We all have, I think women experiences.

616
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: But you know, you're out in the woods, you're doing things,

617
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 5: and you're you're hot, you're tired, and you sit down

618
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: and eat a sandwich with a buddy. I mean that's

619
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 5: like going to Disneyland. And I mean they treasured that

620
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: time where they could sit down and talk and eat

621
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 5: a thinking blowney sandwich probably, and I mean they loved it.

622
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 6: And uh it was just.

623
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: Uh the stuff they're doing seemed extreme, but we all

624
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: experienced a.

625
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 6: Little of it in our own little world, you know.

626
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 5: And uh, they they're just high character.

627
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: You know.

628
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: They had a lot of camaraderie. They value that.

629
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean even Cody at the end, he summed it

630
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: up so well. He was basically like, Clay, you asked.

631
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Me about the danger stuff, and I've told you those stories,

632
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: he said, But that's not what I think about when

633
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: I think of logging, he said, I think about the

634
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: good days when nothing bad happened and we got a

635
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: little logs out and we didn't almost die and we

636
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: had a good sandwich together at lunch.

637
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 6: Yeah. You know, one thing too, I think was really cool.

638
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: They knew from communicating what people wanted to hear.

639
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: I mean they don't want to hear. You know. We

640
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 6: went out and got a.

641
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: Lot of logs, we got paid it was so wonderful.

642
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 5: We want to hear the tragedy. Yeah, and you know

643
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: they acknowledge that that. You know, they they have these

644
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: stories if you want to hear them. Yeah, and people

645
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: that's what they want to hear, you know, Yeah, that's

646
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 5: what I want to hear.

647
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 6: Yeah. So they're entertaining.

648
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good storytellers. Yeah, they're good storytellers. Brent, what

649
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: you listen to them? What do you think?

650
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 7: Man, Well, to go along with what Gary said, it's

651
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 7: a sense of duty that they had about the toughness.

652
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 7: I mean, they were absolutely tough as woodpecker lips, but

653
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 7: they it was just what they had to do to

654
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 7: get the job done.

655
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Can't take it.

656
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Hey, not not to derail the conversation, but the other day,

657
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Brent and I were at National Wild Turkey.

658
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: This is totally derailing the conversation. We're at National Wild

659
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: Turkey Federation. Brent, We're in the same hotel room. Bears

660
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: on the floor. I'm in a bed, Brent's another bed.

661
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Brent wakes up, goes to the bathroom. He doesn't know

662
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: anyone's listening. I'm like asleep over there, and he walks

663
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: into this little bitty bathroom and I hear him mumble

664
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: under his breath. This is He said, it's so small

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: in here. You couldn't cuss a cat without getting hair

666
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: in your mouth.

667
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: A little bathroom.

668
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: And I woke up, like out of sleep, and I said,

669
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: what did you just And he said, you couldn't cuss

670
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: a cat in there without getting hair in your mouth.

671
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: And he said, my grandma used to say that.

672
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: He just went on, brushed his teeth. Yeah, went on

673
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: about his day, carry on. What do you think about

674
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: the logging episode, Well, toughest woodpecker lips.

675
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it wasn't out of I'm so tough. I

676
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: can do this. It's I I have to do this

677
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 4: to provide for my family. I broke my collar bone when.

678
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 7: I was a senior in high school and I have yet.

679
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 7: Unless my mother hears about this, she will this will

680
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 7: be when she learned about it.

681
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: But it wasn't.

682
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 7: I kept playing football because it's you can feel it

683
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 7: right here. It's sidesteps that for the folks that ain't

684
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 7: seeing my hands, it's it grew back wrong, m hm.

685
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 7: Because I loved playing football so much. But I felt

686
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 7: a sense of duty to all the folks on my

687
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 7: team to stay there and now changed all my arm

688
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 7: I'm probably gonna tell somebody, Yeah, but I get that

689
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 7: sense of duty and my profession that I worked in

690
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 7: for so long. That was how I was able to

691
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 7: make it through a lot of places and a lot

692
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 7: of things, and a lot of the folks that worked

693
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 7: with me were was because we trusted each other and

694
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 7: we depended on each other for so much that that

695
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 7: sense of duty is very very strong, and the same

696
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 7: with you know, taking care of your family. It's I

697
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 7: got a lot out of it. I appreciated listen to it,

698
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 7: and it was very good.

699
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: What I appreciate about tapping in and what I would

700
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: try to do every time I would talk to Teddy

701
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: the lines and those guys people like that every single

702
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: episode of Bear Grease. If I if I could, like

703
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I liked tap and then the people who never dreamt

704
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: their stories would be told to the world.

705
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like.

706
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Teddy Viliines, he wasn't doing that so he could tell

707
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: a story. And I valued that, yeah, authenticity. And I

708
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that just in terms of just yeah,

709
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: just kind of the rugged nature of what they're doing.

710
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 7: It's just one of those things that I mean that

711
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 7: was what was that Wednesday? Yeah, that happened on Wednesday,

712
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 7: but Thursday was a great day. Yeah, yeah, nothing happened

713
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 7: on Thursday.

714
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Misty, what do you think? Well, you want to

715
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: put the bear gloves on?

716
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 9: I would, I'd like to stick the cup of hands.

717
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 9: I'm good.

718
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 10: I don't have the colorful analogies that Brent has, but

719
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 10: I thought I thought it was pretty amazing. You know,

720
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 10: I had two grandpas, a great grandpa on my dad's

721
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 10: side and a grandpa on my mom's dad. They were

722
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 10: both loggers, and so we kind of heard pretty crazy

723
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 10: logging story is growing up, and so a lot of

724
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 10: that was familiar. And as I was listening to their stories,

725
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 10: one of the things that kind of stuck out to

726
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 10: me as he was telling the story about the truck,

727
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 10: you know, going high speed down the hill.

728
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 9: I was listening to it.

729
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 10: One morning and there was just a lot, there was

730
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 10: a lot going on in my world, and I was

731
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 10: trying to, you know, resolve some problems, solve resolve some

732
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 10: some kind of complex situations. And I was listening to

733
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 10: that and he was talking about this crazy situation where

734
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 10: this truck flying down the mountain and he's gonna die

735
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 10: and he's got he's calculating all this stuff, and he

736
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 10: just says, Lord help me.

737
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 9: And and I.

738
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 10: Thought, you know, there's some of the things that people

739
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 10: that people do. There's some and or they used to do.

740
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 10: There's there's a level of simplicity when when everything you know,

741
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 10: when you're in a high risk, high danger situation, everything

742
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 10: all the other options go away. Like he's thinking through

743
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 10: the complex things like if I get in that field,

744
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 10: I'm going to or if I if I hit that

745
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 10: go over here, I'm going to hit the bluff. And

746
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 10: you know, so he's thinking through all these things. But

747
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, it's just like, Lord

748
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 10: help me. There's really not much left but that. And

749
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 10: and this was before he got to kind of the

750
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 10: point of the story, and I just thought, man, that's

751
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 10: there are a lot that's a simple solution and a

752
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 10: good solution, like the best solution. And then he goes

753
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 10: on to talk about just you know, you're not in control,

754
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 10: you're not in control. And he kind of got to

755
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 10: that place rapidly as his life, you know, could have

756
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 10: had minutes left in it, you know, as he was

757
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 10: as he was calculating what he needed to do, and

758
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 10: he got he got to this most simple solution, and

759
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 10: I just thought, there's a I think sometimes life can

760
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 10: be so complex, so and that really those simple solutions

761
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 10: still still work. Still still Lord helped me work for

762
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 10: about every solution, every problem you got, you know that

763
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 10: that that'll help. And then when his son was talking

764
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 10: about it and he said, and I just saw him,

765
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 10: and I just.

766
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 9: Said, oh, Lord, help him, Lord Lord.

767
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 10: And that was kind of both of their both of

768
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 10: their response and that in that situation, and I just thought,

769
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 10: you know, that we could simplify things a whole lot.

770
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 9: And I kind of thought about my own situation that

771
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 9: that that I was.

772
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 10: Dealing with, and I think, I think raising kids, raising

773
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 10: a family, there's just a whole lot of challenges that

774
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 10: come in and and I've got some ideas about those things.

775
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 10: I've got ideas about raising kids, but I've got ideas

776
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 10: about you know, I've got degrees and child development and

777
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 10: family and and at.

778
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 9: The end of the day, sometimes just all that stuff.

779
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: Knowed is powerful.

780
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's what I said in the podcast about

781
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: what Teddy said, because somebody might somebody might hear that,

782
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: and in that moment, in that situation, he said he

783
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: learned that God was in control. And it's like, well,

784
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: why would that be important? I mean, because that's not

785
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: actually an answer to the to the to the problem.

786
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the answer to the problem would have been

787
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: to the truck to stop, or for for it never

788
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: to have happened, or or for him to have been

789
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: able to turn it and gain control. And and that's I

790
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: just got to thinking about it, like why is it so?

791
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: Why is it so revelational? Like it's not intellectual knowledge.

792
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: There's a probably not out of ten Americans, maybe seven

793
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: out of ten would say God's in control?

794
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: But why is it valuable? And and and I.

795
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Think it's really about, like what I said about reality,

796
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: there's something that shifts inside of us when when we

797
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: recognize its truth to the situation.

798
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 7: It's helpful for the next time you get in that bind.

799
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 7: You know that's sending pop.

800
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: One of those out rather than milk and along. When

801
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: do you have one?

802
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 6: What whether he deals there?

803
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: Are you trying to get it out?

804
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 6: No? Oh, I'm playing with it. Don't do that.

805
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: This will get you kicked off the render.

806
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm thinking, Lord, help Gary with that racket.

807
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: I thought you were trying.

808
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: I thought you're trying to slow Like when you're in

809
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: church and you're unwrapped, unrap you know, unwrapping butterscotch or something.

810
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: You can actually hear that.

811
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 10: I got ears like an eagle really doesn't, he's got

812
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 10: very weak.

813
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 7: But realizing that will help you get to through the

814
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 7: next thing with confidence. Yeah, you know that what it is,

815
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 7: what is is what it is. Now you can you

816
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 7: have you can control your fate, your destiny. You know,

817
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 7: you can getting sleeping bag laid down in the highway

818
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 7: and your chances of survival are lot slimmer than sleeping

819
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 7: in the in the woods.

820
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: You know, but.

821
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 7: You your path now getting into all that, it's just

822
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 7: it's comforting to know that if you keep your mind

823
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 7: right and you priorities in order, it's can work out

824
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 7: probably the way it's supposed to do.

825
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: Whether you live through it or not, that's not our plan.

826
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 6: Mm hm.

827
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: Bear what stood out to you, Well, the first thing

828
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: that stood out to me was similar to what I

829
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: said last week, but I feel like Teddy kind of

830
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: emphasized it a little more this week. But one thing

831
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: that he said was I hate clear cutting. Like he

832
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: said it passionately. He hates clear cutting, And I thought

833
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: that was interesting, just again a look inside of the

834
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: reality of what the laggers are doing, and especially loggers

835
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: that already lived their life close to the land that

836
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: you know, they really rely on the resource. Therefore they

837
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: want to protect it. They're not clear cutting, whereas like

838
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: I would imagine a big company would be much more

839
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: likely to just go clearcut someplace and destroy the habitat.

840
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: So I thought that that was interesting, but also kind

841
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: of like what you guys were saying was like the whenever,

842
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: whenever he was going down the hill in that truck,

843
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: how the reality of a very simple principle kind of

844
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: like made it past his mind into his heart in

845
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: that moment and he could actually implement it in his life.

846
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: And how sometimes that's.

847
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: Like that's the way that that God speaks to us,

848
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: is like like it might be a very simple principle,

849
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: like if you've read through, you know, the Gospels, you'd

850
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: probably have a good idea of just like the principles

851
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: that you need to live by. And but whenever it

852
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: really makes it passed your mind into your heart, that's

853
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: whenever it becomes a reality that you live. And it's

854
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: not a it's not a discipline, Like, if it's a discipline,

855
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: it won't last. But if it's a reality in your heart,

856
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: then you'll be able to do that for your whole life.

857
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: But sometimes in order for that to become a reality,

858
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: you've got to experience. You've got to experience the reality.

859
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: And so I thought that was interesting whenever he said that,

860
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: because that was a pretty extreme version of that. But

861
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: like that does happen to everyone in their everyday lives,

862
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: Like a reality is imparted to them through a situation,

863
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: even though it's something they already knew, but it's.

864
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: And that's the that's the question. Did he know it?

865
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: Or did did do any of us know it?

866
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: Know it?

867
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: What does know it mean? I mean like an.

868
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Intellectual hat tip to a bunch of stuff that people

869
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: actually don't know. Like, yeah, you could say that you

870
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: you know something, but until it's you know that that

871
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: heart knowledge that you know, we could describe it this

872
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: revelational knowledge, experiential knowledge, you know.

873
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: That's that's what it was. It was a it was

874
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: a it was a transactional event.

875
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 10: It jumped past his mind, you know, like there's knowing

876
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 10: with your mind and then there's knowing and that right here.

877
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: And that's the complexity of being a human is that

878
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: you can know something, You can know the answer to

879
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: the test, but really not know the answer to the question.

880
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I doubt, I seriously doubt that he had a

881
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 7: master's degree in physics. But in that short period of

882
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 7: time he had worked it out the equation. Now that

883
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: that truck in that sycamore tree and him in the

884
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 7: middle was not going to work out well. And you

885
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 7: can I used to say it all the time working Rex.

886
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 7: You know, you can violate the laws of man, but

887
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 7: the laws of physics will get you every time.

888
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: And he had come to that realization, and that's you know,

889
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: it took longer.

890
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 7: I'm sure it took ten times as long to tell

891
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 7: that story as it did for that to have.

892
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it probably was.

893
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean he said it was a tenth of a mile,

894
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: which you know, that's a couple hundred yards tenth of

895
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: a mile, five hundred feet.

896
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 9: I could walk that in less time than it took

897
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 9: him to tell that.

898
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Five hundred feet would essentially be one hundred and fifty yards.

899
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: I put a picture of it up where it went down,

900
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: and some some very ill informed human was like, that

901
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't look very steep to me, I envisioned it being steeper.

902
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: First of all, if you've ever been in steep country

903
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: and you take photos of it, you recognize that photos

904
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: don't show steepness. And when you're going that well log

905
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: truck eighty thousand pounds, a slight incline can be all

906
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: you need.

907
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 4: Man.

908
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: When I heard the story, the physics of it is

909
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: pretty interesting that that it was.

910
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: It was.

911
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: It had been very dry and just a frog strangler

912
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: came and he said it was one of those flash

913
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: floods where like there's two or three inches of water

914
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: flowing on top of not in gullies, but.

915
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Just across the like before it soaks in. And I

916
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: mean he was just floating on water basically and just

917
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: made He's crazy on top Cody, Cody saying he looked

918
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: over and that that that tin wheeler was. I think

919
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: it was a tin wheeler, not a tire, was moving

920
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: and he was going forty miles an hour. I mean,

921
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: a pretty astonishing and I cannot relate. I don't want

922
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: to pretend like I can relate to what Teddy the

923
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: fear he experienced. But when I worked for Buck Tittsworth

924
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: and Mina Arkansas back when I was in high school.

925
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: He lived at the top of a mountain and he

926
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: had a mile long driveway and you gained about at

927
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: least five hundred feet of elevation, if not six hundred

928
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: or more going from the valley floor to his house.

929
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: You know where I'm talking about, Yah, And he had

930
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: like the first eighty yards of the driveway paved in

931
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: the last and so for close to a mile it

932
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: was dirt roads, and it was a road that they'd

933
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: cut in with a dozer, and it wound like this. Well,

934
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I was cleaning up construction he'd built his house, and

935
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I was I had a four wheeler, a Yamaha Big

936
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Bear four wheel drive four wheeler and a trailer, about

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: an eight foot like trailer you pull behind a truck,

938
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: and his four wheeler had a ball on it, and

939
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I loaded that thing up full of construction debris, just

940
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: heaping to overflowing. And we had a big burn pile

941
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hill. So I had to

942
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: go down that almost mile long driveway with that Yamaha

943
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: big Bear four wheel drive with the trailer.

944
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: I didn't think a thing about it.

945
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: I just pulled, pulled out and just barely got started

946
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: down that hill and came to the first corner, which

947
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: was within sight of his house, and I hit the

948
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: brakes and it just starts sliding. And I knew enough

949
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: from being trained by Gary Nucom in driving, is that

950
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: when you're sliding, you cannot break yep. And you know,

951
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Teddy was trying to show that like he gassed it

952
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: at one point. Teddy really knows what he's doing, and

953
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: he said, at one point he gassed it trying to

954
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: get traction. He put on the jake brake, he pumped

955
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: the brakes, he tried to turn it to flip the truck,

956
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: like he had all these solutions going through his mind.

957
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: None of them work well.

958
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: When I hit the brake and slid, while I was

959
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: still withinside a Buck's house, and I knew I had

960
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: a mile to go, I knew I was in like

961
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: big trouble, and I knew I couldn't hit the brake,

962
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: and I was in whatever gear I was, and I

963
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: would gear down and it would slide, I mean, so

964
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: there was no stopping it. And basically I just rode

965
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: that thing like a bucking horse down that mountain and

966
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: when I got to the bottom, I mean, I was

967
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, no heart was pounding at me.

968
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: It was just a miracle. I didn't drive it off

969
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: that mountain.

970
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 6: Why didn't you tell me about that?

971
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: I probably did, I wouldn't have I didn't try to

972
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: hide it.

973
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 9: You also cut into your leg with a chain saw

974
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 9: at that same place.

975
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 6: I've got a scar.

976
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: I got a scar at this angle right across my leg.

977
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: Right there is that man, Buck Titsworth.

978
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 6: I wonder if he.

979
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Wants to pay me or he owes me. Yeah, uh oh,

980
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: he was a great boss.

981
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

982
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: I was cutting trees with a chainsaw.

983
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: I was I think I was sixteen or seventeen, and

984
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I just got.

985
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: Done cutting a tree. Whoa, and just laid the saw

986
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: down right on my.

987
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: Leg, just while it was still running, and it cut

988
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: me cut through my pants and I got a scar

989
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: about that long right there to this day.

990
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

991
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: And I also called up my first gobbler, Turkey and

992
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: Buck Titsworth's backyard. I was picking up trash around the

993
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: front and I saw around the corner of the house

994
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: the backside, I saw a gobbler strutting with two hens

995
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: like sixty yards from the house. Luckily, Clay Knukeom had

996
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: a diephram in his pocket, and so I took the diaphragm,

997
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: snuck around the house, got on a big old pine

998
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: tree on the what.

999
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: And here, yeah, it was pretty bad.

1000
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: And here that gobbler came and he's he's strudged with

1001
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: those hens right down below me. I mean, like wile

1002
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: there's like construction workers like twenty yards from me hammering

1003
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: on the building.

1004
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: But that was a detour.

1005
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: That was a detour to say how incredibly scary it

1006
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: is to be out of control, anything out of control.

1007
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: Your body picks up on it quick. You're out of control.

1008
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: This is dangerous. You're gonna die, Yeah, because.

1009
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 10: Your brain is actually just a prediction machine. You know,

1010
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 10: that's the way the brain works, and so it's constantly

1011
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 10: making predictions.

1012
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 9: And when you're I mean that.

1013
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 10: That just sets off the fight or flight response and

1014
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 10: you're you're in trouble at that point. I mean, this

1015
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 10: is like you're going down.

1016
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: You know what wasn't really said overtly, but was implied

1017
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: is that he hit that timber and just dodged all

1018
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: the big trees, because he could have hit a big

1019
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: tree that would have stopped him, and it would have

1020
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: been like a head on collision with a train like

1021
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: it just would have.

1022
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 7: And what didn't come out of there too is And

1023
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 7: I've worked these kind of accidents when those law trucks

1024
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 7: come to a sudden stop.

1025
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 4: The laws keep moving up. Yeah we go, Yeah, they

1026
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: come forward.

1027
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 9: That's what I was worried was going to happen.

1028
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and worked a few of those.

1029
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 3: I want to I want to ask you about that.

1030
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, Brent's Brent spent a lot of time in

1031
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: law enforcement in an area of Arkansas, South Arkansas that

1032
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: was big log country. You had some pretty serious run

1033
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: ends with log and accidents, yep.

1034
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 7: A couple where where they were they lost control and

1035
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: turned over or you know, weight shifted, log shifted or

1036
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 7: went around a corner too fast. But I remember one

1037
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 7: where two his log truck and a semi hit and

1038
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 7: the fatal the fatality happened to the log truck driver

1039
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 7: because of what I just said. Once they hit, the

1040
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 7: logs kept moving and he came forward and wow and

1041
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 7: crushed him in the cab. But one of the ones

1042
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 7: that made probably the most the biggest impact on me

1043
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 7: that I think about a lot, was one there were

1044
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 7: some folks that lived in this other part of the

1045
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 7: county and they were migrant workers. And this guy had

1046
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 7: went to work on this logging crew and he had

1047
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 7: gotten he'd gotten killed a log a tree had fallen

1048
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 7: and killed him. So at that time I was a

1049
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 7: patrol deputy and it was my job to take to

1050
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 7: deliver death messages to people. And there was no next

1051
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 7: to Ken or what his next to Ken was like

1052
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 7: is in South America somewhere. So once the accident, the

1053
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 7: coroner called and said, you know, we've we've got this

1054
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 7: duty to do. You need to send a deputy out

1055
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 7: to this address. And I don't think that, you know,

1056
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 7: the people speak English there. So I got an interpreter

1057
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 7: and their parish priest where they went, where they went

1058
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: to church, and went down there and drove up to

1059
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 7: the house and this lady comes out and she's there's

1060
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 7: a little kid, and she's told one there. And I

1061
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 7: introduced myself and asked her if she spoke English, and

1062
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 7: she looked at the interpreter, you know, and the interpreter

1063
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 7: started talking. So then I had to I had to

1064
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 7: tell her that her husband had been killed in a

1065
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 7: logging accident. And as I'm telling her in English. She

1066
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 7: knows what's going on, and I said, it is my

1067
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 7: sorrowful duty to you to inform you that your husband,

1068
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 7: and I said his name was killed in a logging.

1069
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: Accident this morning.

1070
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 7: So when I'm looking at her and telling her that,

1071
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 7: she's looking at the lady who is the interpreter beside me,

1072
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 7: and I can see tears welling up in her eyes

1073
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 7: because she knows that whatever I'm saying is terrible, because

1074
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 7: here's this man in uniform and he's my priest is

1075
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 7: back here, and this other lady, so something's bad.

1076
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: So she knows it's bad. So the interpreter then tells

1077
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: her in.

1078
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 7: Spanish, you know what happened, And one big old tear

1079
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 7: came out and just rolled down her cheek, and she

1080
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 7: grabbed her kids up, and the kids started crying, and

1081
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: the priest and the lady went in and they didn't

1082
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 7: need me anymore, so I left and I talked to her.

1083
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 7: I talked to the priest two or three days later,

1084
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 7: I went by that church and asked him how.

1085
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: She was doing.

1086
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 7: He said, they're find they had family coming in, you know,

1087
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 7: as good as they perish, was taking care of them.

1088
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 7: But I asked him, I said, man, I said, I don't.

1089
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 7: It was something I didn't I got a question about.

1090
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 7: I said, I've delivered death messages before to people and

1091
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 7: from car wrecks and different things, I said, and nearly

1092
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 7: everybody's a wreck, I said, this lady, she took it

1093
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 7: like a champ. I couldn't believe how stoic she was

1094
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 7: about it. I mean, you could see she was visibly upset,

1095
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 7: but how just the way she took it was. It

1096
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 7: impressed me a lot, how strong she was. And he said, well,

1097
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 7: you got to remember that these folks come from places

1098
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 7: not like where they live now, and death comes all

1099
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 7: the time. You know, they don't live to be old.

1100
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 7: The places where they work and the things they have

1101
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 7: to do where they live down there and wherever it

1102
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 7: was that she lived or where they were originally from,

1103
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 7: life was a lot harder than it was here, and

1104
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 7: it was kind of expected, and it's been I think

1105
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 7: that has been the biggest thing for me to deal

1106
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 7: with over all these years of thinking how good we

1107
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 7: have it and how good how bad they had it,

1108
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 7: and the long ways that they went to be here

1109
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 7: for to make a better life for themselves, and then

1110
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 7: that terrible thing happened to that man that she would

1111
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 7: more or less expect and would have expected to happen

1112
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 7: to him, where they lived, where they were from.

1113
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: So I'm not happy. Note, it's just it's just tough.

1114
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: It's there.

1115
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 7: There was several of those, a lot of those, and

1116
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 7: I think about them. I think about them a lot.

1117
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 7: So I don't I don't have an answer really for

1118
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 7: how to where you go from that, but it's a

1119
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 7: it's a dangerous job for sure, yeah, you know, and

1120
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 7: that that kind of stuff happens.

1121
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Does law enforcement still deliver death messages to families now?

1122
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: With cell phones? Like I was just thinking about, like

1123
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: back in that time, I mean people would add landlines.

1124
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean probably in the nineties or early two thousands

1125
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: or something. I don't, man, I don't know, you know

1126
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, because it feels like if something happened.

1127
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 7: Well, I mean now, I mean people are putting stuff

1128
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 7: on the internet, you know, on Facebook and all social

1129
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 7: media stuff that before they could say, you know, a

1130
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 7: vehicle or's an accident in the next akin, they're waiting.

1131
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 7: When you hear something about their waiting on the next

1132
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 7: aken to be notified.

1133
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 4: That's a law enforcement agency somewhere going to deliver them.

1134
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: They still do that.

1135
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as I know that do Yeah.

1136
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

1137
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 6: Ali.

1138
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: That seems like a tough part of the job.

1139
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: It was terrible.

1140
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm, Josh, what stood out to you?

1141
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 8: You know that just from the danger? The danger just

1142
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 8: reminded me of of a story of a family friend

1143
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 8: of ours and the the uh, the inversion of of

1144
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 8: Teddy the lines. He had this this family friend of

1145
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 8: close family friend of ours. He'd spent some time as

1146
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 8: a logger out in Washington State and he was a

1147
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 8: he was a man's man, I mean, just a big guy,

1148
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 8: big fiery, red beard, and he kind of went out

1149
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 8: west to go go be a logger and there was

1150
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 8: a lot of that bravado and macho And he told

1151
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 8: me the story of when he got there. He went

1152
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 8: into the steel chainsaw shop and he said, I want

1153
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 8: the biggest, baddest chainsaw you got, and uh, the guy

1154
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 8: behind the count said, here you go, and he hands

1155
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 8: him this chainsaw and it's got a sixty inch bar

1156
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 8: on it and they're cutting big furs out there, and

1157
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 8: he said, you can take it out back and try it.

1158
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 8: And they had some logs out back, and he said,

1159
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 8: I went out there and he said, I fired that

1160
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 8: bad boy up and I laid into this three foot

1161
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 8: log with this chainsaw, and he said it got about

1162
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 8: halfway through. And this is a big man. He's probably

1163
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 8: six foot two, six foot three, probably two hundred and

1164
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 8: fifty pounds in his prime, and he said it, he

1165
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 8: said it it just cut through it like butter. And

1166
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 8: it didn't hang up until it got about halfway through.

1167
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 8: And he said, when it got halfway through, it picked

1168
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 8: me up off the ground. And he said, I was

1169
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 8: able to get it out. And I walked back in

1170
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 8: and said, do you have anything smaller? And it just

1171
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 8: I was reminded that story because thinking about Teddy the Lines,

1172
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 8: Teddy the Lines is probably five foot eight. I mean,

1173
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 8: he's one hundred and thirty pounds, probably soaking wet, and

1174
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 8: he just doesn't carry any of that, you know what

1175
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 8: I mean. It's I have great appreciation for men who

1176
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 8: are humble and men who live by a code. And

1177
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 8: these are those guys that embody that in their day

1178
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 8: to day life, you know what I mean. They're men

1179
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 8: of integrity, men of honor, men who care about their

1180
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 8: family and their friends, I mean, what's more honorable than that?

1181
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 8: And so I think, you know, and these guys, you know,

1182
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 8: none of those guys are big, old, huge, macho guys,

1183
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 8: but they'll probably work just about anybody under the table,

1184
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, just because of their commitment

1185
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 8: to diligence and hard work, you know what I mean.

1186
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 8: There's no showing off. And yeah, I just I think

1187
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 8: that inside of it, you know, I like how you

1188
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 8: said that there's a fine line between between being reckless

1189
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 8: and just working hard and being caught in a profession

1190
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 8: that's dangerous. And they probably they probably teetered that line

1191
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 8: a few times, but there was no there was no

1192
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 8: intent to just show off. There was just this intent

1193
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 8: to a commitment to do what they had to do

1194
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 8: to get the job done. And uh, yeah, I just

1195
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 8: I really appreciate it. I got to I got to

1196
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 8: see Teddy Theliones a couple of weeks ago. I went

1197
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 8: and visited their church, was justin house, and and Teddy

1198
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 8: stood up and just in the middle of the service

1199
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 8: and just thanked the Lord for how he's doing. You know,

1200
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 8: you mentioned that he's fighting cancer and he got a

1201
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 8: pretty good report, and he just thanked the Lord for that,

1202
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 8: And I mean, that's a that's a guy that's worth

1203
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 8: celebrating on a podcast.

1204
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: You know.

1205
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: It was there's always judgment calls inside of people's personal

1206
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: stories that we have to make all the time, Like

1207
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: and and the Vilnes Boys talked about in the Render

1208
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: they actually brought up Eddie's dementia and they they brought

1209
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: up Teddy's situation too. But I I, so, I felt

1210
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: like I kind of had, you know, their permission in

1211
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: a way to to say that. But it was just

1212
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: part of the story to hear, you know, because because

1213
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: Teddy said, you know that that wreck helps him see.

1214
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 3: Who was in control.

1215
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: And then now he's got you know, he's got this cancer,

1216
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I just couldn't give too much information.

1217
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: But he's doing really good, he is. That's the report

1218
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: that we've.

1219
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Got right now. It's doing really good. And so that's fantastic. Yeah,

1220
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: I haven't heard he was logging with him this week.

1221
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 8: Oh really.

1222
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 4: He was. He he was.

1223
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: He's out in the woods with him probably right now.

1224
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: I love it.

1225
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say Teddy wouldn't see award for best

1226
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 10: laugh on the Bear Grease.

1227
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1228
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 10: When I was listening to the to it. That's what

1229
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 10: I kept I kept laughing every time you would laughing.

1230
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, what about the story?

1231
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: Happened so quick, and it was kind of the cold

1232
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: open the story his dad ari one in the middle

1233
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: of the night at Granny Henderson's house.

1234
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: I mean that was crazy.

1235
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1236
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1237
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: Well, and and I've heard Willard, the other brother, tell

1238
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: that story before too, And and he said that the

1239
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,479
Speaker 2: dad was.

1240
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 3: Woke up in the middle of the.

1241
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Night just like it's time to go. It's time to go,

1242
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, like you you know how we all would do.

1243
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: But then we'd look at our alarm clock or our

1244
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: clock and be like, oh, it's four hours.

1245
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 3: Before it need to be up. I was just nervous. Well,

1246
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: he woke up in the middle of the night.

1247
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: This is a story that Willard told, which was the

1248
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: same story, but but Teddy just didn't quite have the

1249
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: tell this particular thing.

1250
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: But you know, he woke up and was just like,

1251
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, it's time to go.

1252
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: And you know, the wife Cynthia jumps up and cooks

1253
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: breakfast and then goes and harnesses the mule and then

1254
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: he he rushes, he rushes off to Grannie Henderson's house

1255
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and and knocks on the door and then Frank Henderson's like,

1256
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing here?

1257
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 8: Man?

1258
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 3: And I mean maybe they had an alarm clock.

1259
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they somehow knew exactly what time

1260
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: it was.

1261
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: But those stories of those guys are are are I

1262
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: like those old stories?

1263
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 8: But uh, go back and listen to the Granny Henderson.

1264
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1265
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a lot of connection between a lot

1266
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: of these stories we tell, it seems, but uh, you

1267
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: knew you probably did business with a lot of loggers

1268
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: back in the day. Yeah, yeah, I sure did down

1269
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: and mean a big, big log country.

1270
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1271
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1272
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: These guys are all cutting hardwoods up here down in

1273
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: Meana and the washtalls. They're cutting primarily pine, mostly pine.

1274
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1275
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 5: I don't have any stories about them. I mean they

1276
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 5: were just hard working guys and most of them made

1277
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 5: a lot of money. Yeah. My neighbor logger mm hmm.

1278
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 5: And uh he lived in a beer house and I

1279
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 5: did I hope he was content, oh me. Uh, they

1280
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 5: were all good people though.

1281
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, he just didn't find him.

1282
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 5: I never encountered a lagger that I thought was not

1283
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 5: worthy of loaning a little money too.

1284
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 6: I grew up with.

1285
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: I went to school with a lot of kids whose

1286
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: dads were laggers, and uh, the one one of them,

1287
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: his dad, I won't say his name, but uh, he

1288
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: was a lagger and he was all we always knew

1289
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: him as. Uh he got shot in a bar in Oklahoma. Yeah,

1290
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: it was my Well, I hate to say his name.

1291
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I feel like I'm violating, like

1292
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: hippa or something.

1293
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: He shot, should be careful. Okay, Well that's good.

1294
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: My my my friend in high school, his dad was

1295
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: got in a bar in Oklahoma and survived.

1296
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: And he was a logger and was a good guy.

1297
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 8: In their defense, if you find yourself in a bar

1298
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 8: in southeast Oklahoma, there's a high likelihood.

1299
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1300
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: We learned that.

1301
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 9: My great grandpa was a logger and he we heard stories.

1302
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 10: Every time someone would find out, oh, Louis Joplin's your grandpa,

1303
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 10: the would always say strongest man I ever ever saw.

1304
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 10: One time I saw him catch a whole a whole

1305
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 10: truck of logs on his back. I mean that, I

1306
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 10: promise I heard that story really, yeah, and it's not

1307
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 10: true at all.

1308
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 6: It's not I asked, I asked the story.

1309
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 10: But that's everyone would tell me that he was a

1310
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 10: really strong he was six or four really, I mean

1311
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 10: even Clay met him before he died. He died around

1312
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 10: close to ninety and he was still a big, big.

1313
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: Old Well we heard the story. So there's a famous

1314
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: story in Misty's family and we we uh, I got

1315
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: all foreshadow about the book.

1316
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lewis Joplin, Missy's great grandfather is is there's a

1317
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: section about him in the book because in the Black

1318
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: Bear book that's coming out spring of twenty seven, get

1319
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Speaker 2: Ready is about trees because black bears need trees, and

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: it's about the logging industry, which actually had more impact

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: on black bears than market hunting.

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 4: Was he the one that killed the bear?

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1324
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 4: Rock?

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lewis Joplin killed a bear with a rock.

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01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: And one of the first times I ever was it

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01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: after we were married or while.

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: We were dating?

1329
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 9: Oh, it's probably while we were dating.

1330
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: While we were.

1331
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: Dating, I went to Louis Joplin's house. He was in

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: his late eighties in Hatfield, and Misty had told me

1333
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: her great grandfather killed a bear with a rock, and

1334
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh really, And so anyway I

1335
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,879
Speaker 1: went and asked to talk to him about it myself.

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01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 3: He told me the whole story.

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: But he there's a story of him being by a

1338
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: log truck and the chain's breaking and a big load

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: of logs.

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01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 3: Fell on him.

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: But there was a sapling right beside him that bent

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: over like a fishing pole being bent by a fish,

1343
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: and he was able. He survived basically because that tree

1344
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: took some of the pressure.

1345
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: Of the logs off of him. And while he was

1346
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 3: under under the logs, he's he's talking to his buddies

1347
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: and they their equipment was out of gas.

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 10: It was out of gas and they're a long ways

1349
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 10: from gas, so they couldn't just pull it off. Because

1350
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 10: he kept saying, get you know, and get the thing

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01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 10: that pulls.

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01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: The Lewis is down there, and Misty remembers him saying

1353
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: that he couldn't see. He calls for a mile dark yeah,

1354
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: and the guys go, well, the skidter or whatever they had,

1355
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: the track, the mechanized, the equipment they had was out

1356
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: of gas, and so the guys on the outside are

1357
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: like saying, what do you want us to do. Lewis,

1358
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: jopping from underneath the log pile, says, well, the guys

1359
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: over the mountain have a team of mules go get them.

1360
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, do you have time. I mean,

1361
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: he's hurting, like the sapling is not completely say, like

1362
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: they think he's.

1363
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 10: Dying and they think the sapling is going to break. Yeah,

1364
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 10: I mean that's the other thing they do.

1365
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: It's like a load of logs as big as telephone poles,

1366
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, on top of him, and uh, And basically

1367
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: one of the guys says, well, let's siphen some gas

1368
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: out of the truck. So they siphon gas out of

1369
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: the truck, put it in the skidter or loader or

1370
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: whatever they had. This is probably back in the fifties.

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: And and they one by one start pulling logs off

1372
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: of him. And Lewis told how he could feel the

1373
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: pressure with each log, every log he took off, he

1374
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: would just feel a release of pressure.

1375
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 6: Wow.

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01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: And it just kind of and he survises. And that's

1377
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: how people die.

1378
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like wild you know, just like

1379
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,799
Speaker 2: we heard from the lines. I mean, there's a thousand

1380
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: ways to die when you're uh, when you're getting when

1381
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: you're messing with logs now, I.

1382
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: Will tell you, I will close down. I'll give you

1383
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: all a chance to close out the podcast, I will

1384
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: tell you the story that I told Teddy the lines

1385
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: when I walked out of his house after the episode.

1386
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: And it's one of those stories that you kind of

1387
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: wish you didn't tell because it's kind of like, no,

1388
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: it's not that not as cool as you think. But

1389
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: we were talking about getting hitting the head with logs.

1390
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like Kaylen had talked about how you got

1391
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: knocked out and all this, and I said, I've been

1392
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: hitting the head with a log once really hard, to

1393
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: the point that it didn't knock me out. But I

1394
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: actually it's the only time in my life I've ever

1395
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: actually seen stars, you know, just kind of like seeing stars.

1396
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: And it was it happened while I was leading a

1397
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: mule that had panniers on it.

1398
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 3: So I'm leading a.

1399
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: Mule that has these big wide bags on the side

1400
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: of it, so the mules about five feet wide, and

1401
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm just plowing down the top of a mountain, down

1402
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: in the washtalls, just walking fast, just pulling this mule.

1403
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hurry and by myself, I'm hot and sweaty,

1404
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: and we're just plowing through saplings or bending over and

1405
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 2: all this and basically that panty or hits about a

1406
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 2: twelve foot tall, six inch at the base dead snag,

1407
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: and that snag just I'm just walking in it big.

1408
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: That's just in the back of the head. It was

1409
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: like getting hitting the head with a baseball bat from behind.

1410
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: And I mean, I just, you know, had no idea

1411
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: what happened.

1412
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 3: I told that to Teddy.

1413
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 9: I could see why you telling that story to Teddy,

1414
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 9: and they.

1415
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 3: Were just kind of like, okay, yeah, I found five dollars.

1416
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 10: I'll be.

1417
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: Good story quick, Britt. Britt has a deal if you

1418
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: tell a story that's kind of a.

1419
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 4: Dud, that's my wife. Yeah.

1420
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: When you get done and like no one laughs or

1421
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: no one thinks it's cool, you go and then I found.

1422
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:45,520
Speaker 6: Five dollars.

1423
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 4: Works every time.

1424
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: Closing thoughts from the team, Gary Bear, Well, Hey, I.

1425
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 5: Do I have one Uh you know, I'm not a

1426
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 5: very good storyteller, but I've got one story I just

1427
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 5: love and I'm make it real short. I'm just going

1428
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 5: to tell you, well, I don't know about that. But

1429
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 5: you talk about banking, you're talking about Eastern Oklahoma, You're

1430
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 5: talking about bars. I have this big old boy, he's

1431
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 5: the toughest guy in Oklahoma, at least in our part

1432
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 5: of the state.

1433
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 6: You know, everybody knows this guy.

1434
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 5: He's tough as nails, he's a good guy, pays his bills,

1435
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 5: he's my customer.

1436
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 4: I love him.

1437
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 6: And I go, hey, what's all this stuff?

1438
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 5: I hear about you taking nine shots over at the borrow.

1439
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: Shirt shirt highway. We said the name of the bar.

1440
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: We're not protecting them the candle light yet yet. And

1441
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: he goes, well, hey, let me just show you him.

1442
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: Button your shirt, pulled it open. Nine bullet holes.

1443
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 5: Nine holes, he said, the bartenderself the bar. Yeah, oh yeah.

1444
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 5: The bartender had two guns. One had normal rounds, which

1445
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 5: would have killed him.

1446
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 4: The other had what peers ball.

1447
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would just shoot all And he said the

1448
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 5: bartender grin have the wrong.

1449
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 4: Gun.

1450
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 5: When I walk He walked in intimidating this guy. I mean,

1451
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 5: I won't get into the story there, but he was

1452
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 5: doing something really bad.

1453
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 6: Bartender just goes.

1454
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 5: And so anyway, bartender's got a good eye at online rounds.

1455
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people got shot at That's where Cody,

1456
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: That's where my buddy's dad got shot.

1457
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 5: Actually, actually my buddy turned and ran to get his

1458
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 5: thirty thirty and the bartender ran out to the side.

1459
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 5: You got a guy with a thirty thirty and a

1460
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 5: guy with his pistol and they're having to shootout. And

1461
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 5: he got hit just around his heart, you know, around

1462
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 5: his liver, you know, he just and he survived.

1463
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 9: Wow.

1464
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: So well this is not the first time the candle

1465
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: light has come up on Burgrease. That's where Louis Dell

1466
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: and Charlie got shot at.

1467
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1468
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 8: Wow, there's a lot of shooting at the candlelight.

1469
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 4: Oh what's that count?

1470
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 8: Is that? Is that where? That's not where? That's not

1471
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 8: where the judy.

1472
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 3: You know, that was also in Oklahoma, though.

1473
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 8: It was Southeast Oklahoma is the wild West.

1474
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 3: It's rough place.

1475
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 10: I don't think we could say this.

1476
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 3: Everyone's from Southeast Oklahoma.

1477
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: Well, now that I start, I know some guys over there.

1478
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 3: They all think the guys in Arkansas.

1479
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: They talk about us, like can we talk about that?

1480
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 4: That's good.

1481
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: Closing thoughts, Brent.

1482
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 4: It was good.

1483
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 3: Thanks for being here, man, that's so nice to have you.

1484
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 4: It was good.

1485
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 7: I like I like the stories about people, real folks

1486
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 7: and real folks that I can identify with, and those

1487
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 7: folks are tip tip with the spear.

1488
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 4: I liked it. Yep.

1489
01:15:53,200 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 3: Well thanks everybody for coming. I'm uh yeah, see these

1490
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 3: guys will see you at the Black.

1491
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza yep, yep. March seventh, to make it March seventh,

1492
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: Benton ble Arkansas, and we'll see you on the Burgers

1493
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Berger's Instagram. We've got meat Eater has what

1494
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: they're calling twelve and twenty six that we're there's every

1495
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: week there's a new video that comes up on the

1496
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: media YouTube channel. But they're having twelve long form films

1497
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: that they're putting out, like hour long top films that

1498
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: they're putting out this year that are that are kind

1499
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: of different, edited a little different. Johannis just had a

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01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: film that came out about his Manitoba bear hunt with

1501
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: Craig McCarthy. Yeah, Craig, And so that's that's out right

1502
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: now and uh you can check that out. But uh

1503
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,959
Speaker 1: and uh man hat tip to the Misty's new Covis.

1504
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: Look at those lash Those are flashy, flashy.

1505
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 8: To cove is all around.

1506
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah. Keep the wild places wild,

1507
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 3: as that's where the bears live.