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Speaker 1: places from two places. Sherman Oaks, California, Green Bay, Wisconsin. No, Hey, no,

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Speaker 1: you're you're too kind. You're absolutely too kind. This is

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Speaker 1: see if he continues to be the leader at the

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Speaker 1: end of the entirety of the first round. I don't

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Speaker 1: Dum if you will, in movie dumb Uh, Let's let's

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Speaker 1: get to the NBA Finals Cuz you know, as I

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Speaker 1: told you yesterday, I don't think anybody, myself included, was

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Speaker 1: super fired up about Game three one because as the

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Speaker 1: guys that point out the schedules, whack, I thought it

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Speaker 1: Wait what? And the games outside of the last you know,

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Speaker 1: you kind of thought, all right, maybe game three is this.

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Speaker 1: Game three is a good game. And it brought to

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Speaker 1: mind a cliche that is used on TV, but it

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Speaker 1: actually is an accurate depiction of what happened last night.

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Speaker 1: And I was explaining to a buddy mind Andy, who

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Speaker 1: is he wants to get into the business. I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you have to find a way to not use cliches,

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Speaker 1: only sort of use cliches. It's like, I don't what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? Well, the cliches in many ways are

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Speaker 1: in fact true, right, there are there are things that

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Speaker 1: have been stated time and again. Now they've been stay

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Speaker 1: in time and again because quite often they are in

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Speaker 1: they are true. But we're taught just don't be cliche.

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Speaker 1: Don't utter cliches. Uh jase, do your most overused or

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Speaker 1: most again things annoy you? Cliche that comes to mind?

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Speaker 2: Hey, you can't judge a book by its cover.

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Speaker 1: You can't can't judge a book by his cover, can't.

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Speaker 1: What's weird about that is how many times have you

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Speaker 1: gonna buy a book. Like do you read the first

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Speaker 1: at the front, you look at the back, You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: book by its cover? Fier you gotta Do you have

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Speaker 3: One of my favorites because I think it's flexible. The

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Speaker 3: grass is always greener on the other side, but then

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Speaker 3: when you find out the consequence, guess what the grass

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Speaker 3: isn't always greener on the other side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's flexible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam is a cliche that comes to your mind

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Speaker 5: But actually think that that there's a lot of truth

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Speaker 5: Was his foot on the line?

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Speaker 5: Was he in bounds? Where do the ref spot the ball?

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Speaker 5: But obviously it's kind of a speaking to a larger

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Speaker 1: But the point that you got to you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: No one's saying the grass is always greener on their

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Speaker 1: Like these statements are true, and you can't judge a

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Speaker 1: By the way, there's no more ambiguous neutral comment that

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Speaker 1: the I bring up the cliche because have you ever

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Speaker 1: role players they played better at home? And I was

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Speaker 1: looking TJ McConnell, for example, ten points, five assists, five steals,

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Speaker 1: corner threes. But those were at home, right Ben Mathering

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Speaker 1: means they're super overused expressions. And let's find a different

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Speaker 1: about Lue Dort. He's like, yeah, role players. He's like,

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Speaker 1: It's just an overused expression. So while the Dodgers were

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Speaker 1: going too fast. He like turns it over. Obie Topmen

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Speaker 1: Because the ball was going in or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: But it does play into that cliche of role players

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City's role players. Who you know, Caruso hit a

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Speaker 1: game one, he had eighteen points, right, he's a role

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Speaker 1: There's the cliche role players play better at home. That

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Speaker 1: a drop last night? Not a drop. This is not

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Speaker 1: if you are, like I think most of us, where

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Speaker 1: we believe Oklahoma City is in fact better, we think

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Speaker 1: win what three of the next next four, don't they?

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Speaker 1: They gotta win three of the next four games from

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers. It's a it's a it's weird how

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Speaker 1: the math affects the brain. If you guys ever noticed that, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just two one Bolcaoma City wins Game four, they

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Speaker 1: Say they drop game six, they win Game seven at home,

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Speaker 1: perfect NBA series for all parties, shake hances, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But then when you stop to think about this way,

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Speaker 1: they have to win three of four games from the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. Yes, stand byre.

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Speaker 3: I talk about when it comes to Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: I go through the exact same thinking. But I also

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Speaker 3: thought about something that we said on yesterday's show. You

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Speaker 3: the guest that you had on yesterday that agreed with you.

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Speaker 3: Oh it is Antonio Daniels thinking that last night was

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Speaker 3: a must win for the Pacers and I you asked

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Speaker 3: a little bit about what you're talking about with Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: City in this situation of yeah, now they do have

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Speaker 3: actually gone back and forth in my head because I

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Speaker 3: felt that last night was important for Oklahoma City because

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Speaker 3: I felt they could have closed out the series with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I agree with you. I agree with

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Speaker 1: That's why I thought. That's why I thought we were

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Speaker 1: I thought it was more important for Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And it's kind of the same thing.

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Speaker 3: You look at it two to one, or you can

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Speaker 3: look at it Oklahoma City's got to win three out

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Speaker 3: of the next four.

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Speaker 1: It's weird how you can mentally trick your mind with

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Speaker 1: you know, look, obviously that puts Oklahoma City in a tough,

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Speaker 1: every day. So today we we did paintball wars. Nice

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, you got to go read about their coach.

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Speaker 2: him the floor right now to tell us all the

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Speaker 2: exciting things that happened that year in golf.

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Speaker 3: And I thought it was an open opportunity and no

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Speaker 3: pun intended because of what transpired earlier this year. It

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Speaker 3: was also twenty eleven was the year that Rory McElroy

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Speaker 3: won his first career major, taking a softened Congressional and

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Speaker 3: bringing it to its knees. This just months after blowing

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Speaker 3: his Master's lead entering the final round on Sunday, So

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Speaker 3: it was a bit of redemption for Rory McElroy that

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Speaker 3: Masters ended up being won by Charles Schwartzel that year.

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Speaker 3: But in twenty eleven, it was Rory McElroy winning the

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Speaker 3: US Open. Darren Clark won the Open Championship. The great

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Speaker 3: part about that was he was still drunk from the

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Speaker 3: night before when he showed up at his Monday morning

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Speaker 3: press conference.

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Speaker 4: It was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Keegan Bradley claimed the PGA Championship that year at the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Athletic Club, his first and only major for the

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Speaker 3: current US Ryder Cup captain. But I thought it was

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Speaker 3: going to be maybe the US Open because it was

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Speaker 3: Rory McElroy's first major that he won of his career.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so I come through you a curveball there.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, You always keep us on our toes.

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Speaker 2: Things keep coming full circle, right. Rick Carlisle won the

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Speaker 2: NBA Final NBA Finals eleven years ago today, Rory McElroy

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Speaker 2: won his first major. Guess who won his only Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl in February sixth of twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: Yes, bingo, and he beat the team he's now playing for.

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Speaker 4: How about that boom?

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Speaker 1: Pittsbury Steelers.

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Speaker 3: More importantly, for that season, Green Bay was dominant in

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Speaker 3: that following regular season.

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Speaker 4: After the NFL lockout.

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Speaker 3: Remember that twenty eleven where we were close to maybe

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Speaker 3: not having football, but the just lockout ended and we

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Speaker 3: had football and the Packers went fifteen and one.

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Speaker 1: I'm really surprised, Jay Stu that you didn't lead with baseball.

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Speaker 1: O well, of the best World Series in our lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were down their last strike twice in Game six,

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Speaker 1: David Freese twice, and David Freese was the hero. They

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Speaker 1: end up winning in seven over the Texas Rangers in

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Speaker 1: another kind of epic battle, and David Freese goes on

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Speaker 1: to become the World Series MVP. Your Saint Louis Cardinals

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Speaker 1: for your World Series champions in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: It's another full circle moment actually, because the loser of

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Speaker 2: that World Series was Ron Washington, and now he's getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of l's as the manager of the Angels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before after the rod Washed it was that the

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Speaker 1: year before or after the cocaine new story came out.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember, Oh man, that was rough. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Boston Bruins won the Sandy Cup Final, Dan, you remember

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Speaker 2: that one con smythe award winner Tim Thomas was one

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Speaker 2: of your favorites.

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Speaker 1: I loved Tim Thomas he was good at Leanover for

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Speaker 1: that year.

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Speaker 3: But no, do you know why, I definitely do remember

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Speaker 3: that for two reasons. Vancouver came oh so close to

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Speaker 3: winning the Stanley Cup Final.

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Speaker 4: It did not happen.

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Speaker 3: Lost in in seven games. They were up three to

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Speaker 3: two in the series. But I also, yes, I also lost.

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Speaker 3: I also lost my NHL ten season with the Vancouver

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Speaker 3: Canucks that year to the Boston Bruins in the Stanley

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Speaker 3: Cup Finals. I played a full eighty two game season

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Speaker 3: and went through the playoffs and I was dominant, guys,

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Speaker 3: I was. I was dominant in that game. I jumped

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Speaker 3: out to an early series lead, and then I started

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Speaker 3: messing around, and what do you know, I lost Game

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Speaker 3: seven against the computer on NHL ten. That's true, true story.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but that was That was the game.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm like, wow, history repeats itself that the

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Speaker 3: Bruins upset the Canucks.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know what. By the way, I didn't know

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Speaker 5: what a knuck was until right now, I looked it up,

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Speaker 5: and it's like a slang term for a Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was like a type of duck or

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Speaker 5: something like a waterfowl like a heron.

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Speaker 1: Because it sounds like a duck. I guess a Canuck

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Speaker 1: must be like a duck.

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Speaker 5: I have seen the Ducks play the Canucks at the Hopits.

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Speaker 1: It's listen, it's a reasonable thing. It is interesting that

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Speaker 1: the Canuck is a Canadian, and there's also the Montreal

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Speaker 1: Canadians Canadians. Some ways, it's the Canadians against the Canadian.

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Speaker 1: NCAA basketball that year, Oh, don't remind me, uh, Yukon

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Speaker 1: was your national champion. Yuke was your national champion. They

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Speaker 1: beat Kentucky in the final four. VCU first four to

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Speaker 1: the final four, took on Butler. Butler played him one

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Speaker 1: of the ugliest first halfs in NCAA tournament history in

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Speaker 1: the first half of the the national championship game, where

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Speaker 1: it was much like Jason Stewart in high school. Butler

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Speaker 1: couldn't score.

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Speaker 3: I covered that final four, Doug. I don't know where

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Speaker 3: you were at that point, but I was there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there were.

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Speaker 3: Because you had VCU and Butler VC. You brought a

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Speaker 3: lot of fans. I'll give them credit for that. But

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Speaker 3: small schools with Butler and Yukon and they weren't bringing

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Speaker 3: a lot of fans, and then when Kentucky got housted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was a rough weekend for the

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Speaker 4: final four and twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Also again, I believe that was Teach McConnell's the point

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Speaker 1: guard for Arizona when they lost in the Elite eight

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Speaker 1: to the Huskies. Teacher McConnell the star last night. There's

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Speaker 1: your full circle moment, Jase two. I knew you'd like that.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Jason. Give me the movies, I mean give me the music, sorry,

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Speaker 1: music of twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that Rick Carlisle was holding up the

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Speaker 2: David Bing Trophy? Is that what it's called? Am I

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Speaker 2: way off here? David Bing?

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Speaker 4: What there's the Lady Bing?

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Speaker 2: Larry, Larry I'll bring for the trophy?

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Speaker 4: Larry O'Brien, Larry O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: He was, he was holding that up when they asked

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Speaker 2: him what what he was listening to on is what

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Speaker 2: do you call those things? The eyes something ie iPod

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Speaker 2: iPod on the way to this game and this he

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Speaker 2: gave this answer surprisingly.

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Speaker 5: Number three on the Billboard Hot one hundred End of

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Speaker 5: Year list.

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Speaker 1: Katy Perry unfortunately in movies a couple of sequels, Harry

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Speaker 1: Potter two was the grossed three hundred and eighty one

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Speaker 1: million dollars. Transformers Dark of the Moon was the second

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Speaker 1: highest grossing film. Twilight's first Twilight film was third, Hangover two,

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Speaker 1: and then the second or third, Pirates of the Caribbean

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Speaker 1: was fifth fast five to six, Mission Impossible Cars to

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Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes, A Game of Shadows, and four. In other words,

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Speaker 1: in terms of even new series, there was only two

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Speaker 1: of the top ten movies that year. In twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: people back like Hollywood just now has forgotten how to

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Speaker 1: make good new movies with new storylines. Nope, go back

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Speaker 1: fourteen years ago and a lot of sequels, a lot

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Speaker 1: of sequels.

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Speaker 2: We go back to Katy Perry. This has been the

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Speaker 2: segment where we went full circle. So Katy Perry, Firework,

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Speaker 2: this is off for I think second album. This wasn't

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Speaker 2: the album with Eye Kissed a Girl, so it's the

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Speaker 2: next one. Firework ascended to three in the Billboard chart.

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Speaker 2: But I will say full circle moment. Who would have

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Speaker 2: known that just eleven or fourteen years later she would

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Speaker 2: be taking a spacecraft up, a billionaire spacecraft up into

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Speaker 2: the space with a couple other famous rich people all

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Speaker 2: women who took way too much credit for being women

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Speaker 2: up in the spacecraft. And then the best joke that

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Speaker 2: came from that incident was a meme online that said

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Speaker 2: that Katie Perry started singing while they were up in space.

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Speaker 2: No wonder they came down so fast?

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Speaker 4: Was it this song?

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Speaker 5: Because the rocket ascended like a firework, And we can't

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Speaker 5: forget this tune as well. Jason Stewart has a lot

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Speaker 5: to say about this song. He said, put that on

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Speaker 5: the list, Sam, put that on the queue.

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Speaker 1: Now this is a song about at school shooting.

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Speaker 4: Right, I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know that buyer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I looked at the cakes.

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Speaker 1: Baby run, Baby run faster than my bullets?

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Speaker 4: Oh great? Wow?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, firstly Harveys wall Now I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just saying, like, I know, like I I'd like the

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Speaker 1: song too that I listened to. It was like, wait, what.

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Speaker 5: Dark Derek lyrics? And then there was this song. I'm

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Speaker 5: not a big fan of Maroon five, but I'll give

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Speaker 5: him this a little throwback to the Maroon five. Hold

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Speaker 5: on now, oh yeah, this is.

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Speaker 1: Some Root five. Last last year they were at Summerfest.

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Speaker 1: I think it nothing but than Summerfest.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Summer Fest.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say, Jason Ward moves like Jagger Checker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this one's got a good groove to it, with

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Speaker 3: catchy Christina Aguilera on it as well.

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Speaker 5: I just I think since the Super Bowl performance where

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Speaker 5: he was shirtless, I'm like, hey, I'm out on this group.

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Speaker 4: That Hormans was not good, but this song is is

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 5: He moves Mick Jagger Stones, who still got it? By

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Speaker 5: the way, light on his feet? Mick Jagger does Mick

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Speaker 5: Jagger still light.

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Speaker 2: On his feet.

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Speaker 3: I also liked Mick Jagger because it was a made

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Speaker 3: up name that Doug Heffert had made to fool Lardy

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Speaker 3: on King of Queens.

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Speaker 4: That he worked with a Mick Jager.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, So whenever I just hear Mick Jagger, I think

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Speaker 3: of the King of Queens episode, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think of the Rolling Stones. I think of that

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Speaker 4: line in King of Queens.

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Speaker 2: Maybe uh, maybe Doug could do a bonding trip next

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Speaker 2: week and take his team to go karaoke, and then

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Speaker 2: he can come on the show the next day and

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Speaker 2: says say, he was literally Mick Jagger last night.

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Speaker 4: Oh jeez, you're piling on today.

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Speaker 5: Given Doug, if you had if you had a camera.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you your number one in our YouTube YouTube page.

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Speaker 1: So I'm telling you right there. But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't the one who dropped the What is that song

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Speaker 1: even called? I forget?

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about pumped up Kicks?

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Speaker 1: Is that pumped up kicks?

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Speaker 2: Pumped up kicks? Foster the People, Fluster the People, great

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Speaker 2: alternative band from fourteen years ago.

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Speaker 5: We're giving you a lot of ideas, Doug Karaoke, go

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Speaker 5: down to the Dell's, bowling, paintballing. I mean, you got

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Speaker 5: the potentially unlist This is why water rafting.

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Speaker 4: You could have said over to the Dells too, Sam,

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Speaker 4: that would have worked.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to go to Del's.

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Speaker 5: Not going up to the Dell's.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the Dell's there. And that is

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Speaker 1: don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio can't go wrong with

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Speaker 1: a little Billy Ocean on a Thursday. Huh did it inn't?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't like the song?

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Speaker 2: Oh, this song is awful?

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Speaker 1: Just this is this a great eighty song? What is

654
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Speaker 1: the matter with the song? They that it's a cliche.

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Speaker 2: They went to Billy Ocean and they said, we're going

656
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Speaker 2: to go against We're gonna do the sequel to Romance

657
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Speaker 2: in the Stone. You have five minutes to think of

658
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Speaker 2: a song that's the true story, and it's true story.

659
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Speaker 2: Good five minutes to think of the song. It's an

660
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Speaker 2: awful song. Dan Byron likes it too.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm never gonna judge somebody for anything, but I can

663
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Speaker 2: I can make fun of your taste.

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Speaker 1: Oh, dlling our calm Andy Mountain, the guy on hell

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Speaker 1: Swim any see.

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Speaker 2: Dan Wookie's a He's a music connoisseur. He enjoys.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea he get in here. On the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio, he covers the

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Speaker 1: NBA for the La Times. Uh, Billy Ocehan, go.

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Speaker 9: Rob Polinka right now to every perspective center, get out

671
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Speaker 9: of my dreams, get into my front court.

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Speaker 1: Hey, true story buyer. I don't know if you know

673
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Speaker 1: this first concert I ever attended. Similar time span sort

674
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Speaker 1: of similar. Jeffrey Osborne, Yes, yeah, woo woo song you

675
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Speaker 1: should be mine his actual name of the song, and

676
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Speaker 1: then says woo woo woo. And here's a weird one

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Speaker 1: for you though, guys to the two Dans, my parents

678
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Speaker 1: we were in Vegas, I think a basketball term or whatever.

679
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: I was like third Wheel went to the show with

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Speaker 1: them and fast forward like thirty years later, my dad

681
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Speaker 1: coached Jeffrey Osborne's son in AAU basketball placed him in college.

682
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Speaker 1: Like crazy story. Anyway, you know it'd be a good

683
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Speaker 1: one for recruiting. You should be mine anyway, Dan Wake

684
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Speaker 1: joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. How would you

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Speaker 1: how would you honestly characterize the NBA Finals?

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Speaker 9: I think it is it feels like a sign of

687
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 9: looks to come in the league. And uh, I know

688
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 9: we tend to overact to these things when they and

689
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Speaker 9: they appear in front.

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Speaker 1: Of Yes, yes, because because heat culture was going to

691
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Speaker 1: be in the finals every year, regardless who's on the team.

692
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Speaker 9: But Denver Nuggets, we're never going to lose an NBA Finals.

693
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Speaker 1: Like Denver Nuggets were a dynasty.

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Speaker 9: Can possibly beat the Boston Celtics. I mean and I

695
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Speaker 9: think and and Doug and I think that's sort of

696
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Speaker 9: my broader point, which is that this is just like,

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Speaker 9: and it's been said before, it like this is the

698
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Speaker 9: era of parody, and it just feels like I had

699
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Speaker 9: to thought yesterday going into next season. Excuse me, I'm

700
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Speaker 9: battling a little bit of cold thing. How many teams

701
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Speaker 9: can credibly feel like they can win two rounds in

702
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Speaker 9: the playoffs next year? Like, dude, Like like if the

703
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 9: Spurs do the Spurs up and like, do they see

704
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Speaker 9: a path to winning two rounds? Because I kind of

705
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Speaker 9: think they might, you know, and certainly the Lakers with

706
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 9: a in shape and motivated Luka Doncic are gonna feel

707
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Speaker 9: that way. You know, the Clippers are gonna feel that.

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Speaker 9: I mean, like you just go down the list, it's

709
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Speaker 9: gonna be like twenty teams, and you know, I think

710
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Speaker 9: that level of sort of teams with their with the

711
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Speaker 9: talent in the league, the mixture of old talent and

712
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Speaker 9: young talent, the sort of the way the game has played,

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Speaker 9: the variance in shooting, It just sort of feels like

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Speaker 9: every year we're gonna see gonna see somebody that that

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Speaker 9: feels inevitable. And then we'll watch their inevitability kind of fall.

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Speaker 9: That's sort of my that's my big picture takeaway of

717
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Speaker 9: these NBA Finals is that this is just gonna It

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Speaker 9: feels like it's gonna be a decade of things like this,

719
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Speaker 9: where it's just it's this, you know, it's this is

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Speaker 9: this year seemed Now, Look, Doug, when we do the

721
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Speaker 9: six years from now and the thunder of one four titles,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna look stupid again.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you, I'm not gonna. I remember when

724
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Speaker 1: the Cubs won the World Series and people are starting

725
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: to talk about dynasties. I had a buddy on the Cups.

726
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Speaker 1: He's like, we're never winning one again. These guys, it's

727
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Speaker 1: a mess. These guys at each other. No, it is.

728
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Speaker 1: And then what happens when you win is, you know,

729
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Speaker 1: it's the the pat Riley disease of me kicks in right.

730
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Speaker 1: So it's fascinating. I do think again, I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: This one would be a hard one for Oklahoma City

732
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Speaker 1: to lose. From the standpoint of you hat home court advantage.

733
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Speaker 1: I think by most people's estimation, you're the better team,

734
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Speaker 1: You're fully healthy. You know last year you're beaten by

735
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Speaker 1: what's proceeded to be an inferior team in the Dallas Mavericks,

736
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Speaker 1: like you're not going to get an easier runway to

737
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Speaker 1: winning an NBA title, then a banged up Nuggets team.

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Speaker 1: You don't play Steph, you don't play Lebron, you play

739
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Speaker 1: the Wolves who are still like nobody expected them to

740
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Speaker 1: be that far, and then you play the Pacers in

741
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Speaker 1: the finals. The Pacers are there there with house money.

742
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Speaker 1: I could I am I wrong to think this could

743
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Speaker 1: be one where Oklahoma City, in an effort to to

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Speaker 1: make that final step, they're the type of team that

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Speaker 1: could overreact because that's the this is the type of

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Speaker 1: devastating series loss if they lose more games could.

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Speaker 9: Be Yeah, I mean that's generally generally not been the

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Speaker 9: way Sam Presty's operated, right, So I think that is uh.

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Speaker 9: I would say, like the one sort of argument against

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Speaker 9: all that, Doug. But and look, by no means should

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Speaker 9: anyone concede this series down to one No to the

752
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Speaker 9: Indiana Pacers, right like, let's just for all the reasons

753
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Speaker 9: you just mentioned, I think there there will be reaction.

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, I don't I don't really think the

755
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Speaker 9: reason they've lost either of these games is because of

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Speaker 9: the change their starting lineup. Like, honestly, I don't really

757
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Speaker 9: think that's why they've lost. I do think when I

758
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Speaker 9: when I've watched these games, I feel like they have

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Speaker 9: And this is kind of one of those things talk

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Speaker 9: it's easy for me to say, right like, I'm not

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Speaker 9: I'm not in the coaches meetings, I'm not on the

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Speaker 9: sunite trying to play one of the things that I

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Speaker 9: when I watch games, I tend to look like who

764
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Speaker 9: is doing what they want and who is reacting?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: It's just sort of like a way to get an

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Speaker 9: easier sort of way to judge games. And like, by

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Speaker 9: and large, it felt like they've played reactionary basketball in

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Speaker 9: this series to Indiana style instead of just being the

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Speaker 9: versions of themselves that was dominant, particularly against the Eastern

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Speaker 9: Conference this year, playing multiple bigs, getting in the half court,

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Speaker 9: doing what they do in the half court. Like there

773
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Speaker 9: was a play early in the game, you know, and

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Speaker 9: it's not that they can't run, they should run when

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Speaker 9: you know, chet Holgern gets the rebound and goes, you know,

776
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Speaker 9: coast to coast with the basketball, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: And it's like that is what makes chet Holmgren different

778
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Speaker 9: than every other you know, not every other, but most

779
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Speaker 9: seven footers in the NBA is his ability to do that, like,

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Speaker 9: you know, his ability to play out of the pocket

781
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Speaker 9: and playmake makes him different, Like he has ball skills

782
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Speaker 9: that are different doing the things that make their guys

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Speaker 9: so unique. I think, like that's what I wanted to

784
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Speaker 9: see more of, and I feel like I felt like

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Speaker 9: early in the third quarter it looked like they had

786
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Speaker 9: gotten to it. I think they came out right score

787
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Speaker 9: down their first four possessions, get into the mid range

788
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Speaker 9: spots they like, creating files like getting Indiana frustrated, and

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Speaker 9: then like you know, the Pacers, to their credit, just

790
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Speaker 9: like just just kind of push back and didn't let it,

791
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Speaker 9: didn't let that wave sort of wash over them. And

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Speaker 9: I think that was a really surprising moment for me

793
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Speaker 9: in this series. Maybe Indiana is better than I've given

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00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 9: them credit for. I think they're good, Don't get me wrong.

795
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Speaker 9: I think they're very good. And they do a lot

796
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 9: like they take care of the basketball, and when you

797
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 9: take care of the basketball in the modern NBA, like

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Speaker 9: you have a great chance to win. And I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, Oloma City's playmaking. To me, it's just been

800
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Speaker 9: a little rocky and they just haven't really been themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they they have not, and it's gonna be interesting

802
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Speaker 1: to see if they can write that. Chip Dan Wiki

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Speaker 1: joining us LA Times covers the entire NBA. Uh you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that this is what it's going to look like. Well, okay,

805
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: but they're you know, everybody's still gonna go after Gianni's

806
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna go after KD may not be the super teams,

807
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: but more super ish. Let's start with the Knicks. I'm

808
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna make the case that asking to talk to coaches

809
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Speaker 1: who are currently under contract is a really smart thing

810
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Speaker 1: to do. Okay, I understand that right now most of

811
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Speaker 1: us in the media are sitting there going they got

812
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: egg on their face. These guys can't even talk to them. Okay,

813
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: but one you don't have to. You can still hire

814
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: a guy. The guy just resigns and you can go

815
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: through the agent whatever. But this is what you should

816
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: do when you're trying to when you're like, take a

817
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: shot at five names that you don't think you can

818
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: get and see if somebody is unhappy. Right, Like I called,

819
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Speaker 1: I'd love to calling Jason Kidd, Like do I think

820
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: he's their greatest coach. I don't know. They went to

821
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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, and what level of unhappy is he

822
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Speaker 1: because of the Luca trade.

823
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Speaker 9: Sure, and that firstly seemed less like a blind shot

824
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 9: in the dark than say Billy Donovan. Sure, like the

825
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 9: Jason Kid. Things seemed a little more measured at least

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Speaker 9: than some of the other ones.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, but anyway, Like I don't hate I

828
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Speaker 1: didn't think they should have fired TIBs, but I get

829
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Speaker 1: asking a couple of the guys that you think are

830
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Speaker 1: the best coach in the NBA what their level of

831
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: interest is, and you never know if somebody's not happy

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00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: that said, what do they do now?

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Speaker 9: Well? And I think right, like one, I mean, I

834
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 9: think I think you're right, Like ultimately, the the the

835
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 9: egg on their face from getting turned down on these

836
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 9: these conver stations, right like it's it makes for a

837
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 9: good joke, you know, but it doesn't really mean anything.

838
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 9: Like I can text the league source and say, hey,

839
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 9: I got a call from New York. I thought it

840
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 9: was Leon Rose asking my wife out for a date.

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00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 9: I can make that joke right now, and everybody can

842
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 9: kind of ha ha ha ha, you know, whatever. But

843
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 9: the reality is is that like none of this matters, right, Like,

844
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 9: the the Knicks are still the Knicks. Their brand is

845
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 9: not going to be harmed by any of this. It's

846
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 9: just a good laugh we'll have for right now, and

847
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 9: we have the attention span of like NAT's. We'll forget

848
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 9: about this, and you know, as soon as one of

849
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 9: these other guys gets traded, it'll be and it won't

850
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 9: be a topic anymore. I think though, the broader issue is,

851
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 9: and you look at the way that the Knicks have

852
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 9: operated the last two years where they have sort of

853
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 9: like put their team on this path, They put their

854
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 9: roster on a real path. They they put their chips

855
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 9: behind Jalen Brunson and they built a roster around him.

856
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 9: That makes a ton of sense. If you're going to

857
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 9: have a six foot it offensive engine, like you need

858
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 9: these kind of ranging defenders. Now, the Karlington Towns part

859
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 9: of it all doesn't totally make sense along that line,

860
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 9: but every other decision has been like kind of towards this,

861
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 9: you know, doing doing things this way. I think what

862
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 9: what surprised people and what surprised me is when when

863
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 9: you know they fired TIBs, you know, after after making

864
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 9: the conference finals. I was with some NBA people actually

865
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 9: here in southern California, and the logic run away was, oh, well,

866
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 9: like they have to know who they want like that

867
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 9: that you do that you make that kind of decision

868
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 9: generally speaking with a you fire this coach because you

869
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 9: know who you're going to hire, sure, And and this

870
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 9: certainly seems like they don't know who they're going to

871
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 9: hire now maybe all maybe all along it was gonna

872
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 9: be Mike Brown or Taylor Jenkins. And then this is

873
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 9: sort of the the this is awesome like long game

874
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 9: to see like maybe somebody else shakes this like like

875
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 9: we'll figure it out. But but I think like what

876
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 9: it does is it shows holes in the process and

877
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 9: in a time when and like we mentioned, parody is

878
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 9: all of that stuff like like process matters. You know,

879
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 9: all of this stuff is percentage points and decimals that

880
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 9: that impact your chances of winning. And you know if

881
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 9: you do something rash without like a good plan B No. Now,

882
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 9: the other thing it tells me is that it just

883
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 9: shows you how untenable they view Tom Thibodeau right, that

884
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 9: they would do this without even knowing what was going

885
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 9: to happen. Next it does speak. Yeah, it's like pulling

886
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 9: all your money out of a four oh one k

887
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 9: without looking at like what that means for your taxes.

888
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's streaky nice, it's Oh, it's the classic overreaction.

889
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: It's a classic overaction.

890
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

891
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: But on the other on the other hand, like, he's right,

892
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Tims has TIBs. That's first tips has been and a

893
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: lot of that TIBs doesn't sub narrative came out to

894
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: be true. And when you own the team, you have

895
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: the right to make a change if you feel like

896
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: it's not right. Doesn't mean it's right decision. I just

897
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing is fascinating to me because I

898
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: actually like some of the thoughts in the process. I

899
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: just don't. It's how they got there, which is what

900
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and where they end up, which is

901
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: the parts.

902
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 9: That I think you also don't really Doug, you mentioned this,

903
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 9: they like get a part about this that's just strange

904
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 9: and you don't really need to do this right, Like,

905
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 9: there are other ways. There are other ways to like

906
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 9: ask for permission without.

907
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: Asking for permission.

908
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 9: Two, Like that's the other part of this, right is

909
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 9: that it's a this is a small league, particularly when

910
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 9: it comes to coaching agents, right, Like, you make a

911
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 9: couple of calls there and you can figure out who's interested,

912
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 9: who's not going to be.

913
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: No, No, it's for show. It's for show. It's it's an

914
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: optics thing, right the only reason you do it. It's

915
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: either for show or it's to rattle some of the

916
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: other teams, to mess with some of their teams. Hey,

917
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, Jason Kids, guy stepped up said he can't talk.

918
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: So now it makes everybody else step up and say

919
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: their guy can't talk. Dan Wicky Joints us LA Times.

920
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: What do the Lakers look like next season?

921
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 9: Great question? Skinnier hopefully, I think is like one place

922
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 9: that starts, they're going to look like they're in better shape.

923
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: He does do this every year, by the way.

924
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 9: He does every year, I know, and particularly in years

925
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 9: when there's European club there's national competitions, right like, I mean,

926
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 9: this is not I mean, he's getting in shape for

927
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 9: more than the upcoming NBA season, right like, he's gonna

928
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 9: be playing in euro Basket. It's very important, and I think, like,

929
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 9: but but there are other factors that play here with Luca,

930
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 9: you know, and this was one of the things, and

931
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 9: we'll see, right like, this isn't the type of thing

932
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 9: we're going to know through a couple of summer through

933
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 9: a couple of pictures of the summer, or some videos

934
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 9: of him squatting, you know. I think one of the

935
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 9: things in the aftermath of the there's no think about this,

936
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 9: I know. One of the things in the aftermath of

937
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 9: the Luca trade was was that people both around Luca

938
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 9: and people around the Lakers kind of thought it would

939
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 9: be great for him to see Lebron James and just

940
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 9: to see what that looks like, the type of commitment

941
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 9: physically that that takes, right, just to have a front

942
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 9: row seat for something like that, to see the way

943
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 9: that Lebron James works as his personal trainer Mike Man

944
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 9: see this and that team, and as Luca kind of

945
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 9: figures out how the best move forwards in that way,

946
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 9: that that would be valuable insight. Now, whether or not

947
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 9: that fully shows up three months later, if that's more

948
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 9: of a three year investment, we'll see. They got to

949
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 9: get a center, Doug, you know, and and the I

950
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 9: don't know where they're going to find one. The list,

951
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 9: like the lists aren't great, but they got to find

952
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 9: a center. The one they had they benched in the playoffs,

953
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 9: so it's gonna be hard to go knock on that

954
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 9: door again, I think. And they've got limited means. They've

955
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 9: got basically one, you know, one real trade asset. They're

956
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 9: not going to trade Austin Reeves for a middling center.

957
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: That's just what's the what's their trade asset?

958
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 9: I mean they have a they have a first round

959
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 9: pick in either twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two,

960
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 9: and they have Dalton connect That's what they have to trade.

961
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 9: And they have a bunch of expiring contracts which are valuable,

962
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 9: like valuable in the sense that they can facilli trate

963
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 9: a trade. Now, the question that you're asking, if you roblink,

964
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 9: is like, are we going to put these assets in

965
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 9: play for say Nick Claxtons? You know, is that good

966
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 9: enough for us? If this is like this is the

967
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 9: road now we were walking down with Luca Dodg just

968
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 9: where we were pairing this person with Nicholas Claxton, are

969
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 9: we doing this for? You know? I think you know

970
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 9: another name you hear a lot is Daniel Gafford. I

971
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 9: don't think Dallas is making a trade with the Lakers.

972
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: No, we made our trade with Lakers. We did well work.

973
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: I think we're good guys.

974
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 9: I think that I think that needs to reset that

975
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 9: that clock needs to probably reset.

976
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 4: A little bit.

977
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 9: But you know, like like you hear names out there

978
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 9: like that, like you wonder. You know what's interesting about

979
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 9: all this is the Lakers showed their hand right at

980
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 9: the trade online with Mark Williams. They showed what they're

981
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 9: willing to pay for a young center. So you can

982
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 9: look around the NBA at who the centers are that

983
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 9: that sort of fit that bill, you know, are they

984
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 9: willing to do that for Jalen Duran? Is Jalen Duran

985
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 9: the fit uh cash and everything.

986
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: There's there's no way Detroit moves. Jalen Duran is so awesome.

987
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: He's so he's so awesome.

988
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 9: He's a little bit it's interesting you say that, and

989
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, like he of that age. You know,

990
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 9: he's getting ready for his next big contract. He's about

991
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 9: to get sure a really big contract. And like kind

992
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 9: of on the Mark Limbs thing, he's a guy that

993
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 9: I think, like when you talk to people around Detroit,

994
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 9: it is interesting they've been tied to a lot of

995
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 9: bigs this summer. You hear them a lot with nas Reeds.

996
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 9: They have Isaiah Stewart, a player they love defensively, and

997
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 9: it's like the one the question is is sort of

998
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 9: like can he be our defensive anchor? He's that kind

999
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 9: of center. Well, that's the kind of like if Detroit's

1000
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 9: asking that question while having him, Yeah, you have to

1001
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 9: ask that question if you're the Lakers whore for getting

1002
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 9: reader to give them everything else you can get, it's

1003
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 9: going to empty the bank account for him. It's just

1004
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 9: you know, it's going to take a level of creativity,

1005
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 9: I think. And the crazy thing is that it might

1006
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 9: take patience, which again is maybe the thing you don't have.

1007
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the hard part of all of this. Yeah,

1008
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: not them, Like like Plink has drafted really well, really well,

1009
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: but these they've they've generally owned.

1010
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 9: I mean, good luck to fifty Yeah, good luck at

1011
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 9: fifty four, you know what I mean, Like, there is

1012
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 9: no like that. You're you're not going to find an

1013
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 9: answer there.

1014
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, listen, they got they got Bronnie. Last year

1015
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people wanted Brownie.

1016
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 9: They Yeah, I mean, you know, there's uh, look at

1017
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 9: Bronnie was seven point one. You know, you know, I

1018
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 9: think I had two heads.

1019
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: If I had two heads, i'd be in the circus. Uh.

1020
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's a it's a tough it's just a

1021
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 9: tough center market.

1022
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1023
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 9: I think a stop gap option, certainly again, seems like

1024
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 9: the path of Leasters as since the Clickabella Brooklypez. Is

1025
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 9: that different continue winning and losing an NBA championship? Probably not.

1026
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true, And I still don't know if

1027
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: you can do it with two guys that don't guard

1028
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: anybody in or three guys that don't guard anybody on

1029
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: the court. And that's what they have with their three

1030
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: best offensive players. But Dan, we could talk Lakers and

1031
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: the NBA all all day.

1032
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 9: Oh we will, Doug. You're in the media.

1033
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: You'll will be there, I know, and I'm probably gonna guy,

1034
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: I got a book. You on my pod. We'll just

1035
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: talk hoop for a for a couple hours and and

1036
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: just get it all out there in the meantime. I

1037
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, I truly do. Thanks for being

1038
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: our guest.

1039
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.

1040
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: Doug