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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, and welcome back to couch Talks. This is

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Speaker 1: Cat here and I am the host of You Need Therapy,

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Speaker 1: which is what you're listening to, and then couch Talks

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Speaker 1: is a special episode that I do every Wednesday where

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Speaker 1: I answer some questions that you guys send into me,

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Speaker 1: and you can send questions in if you have a

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Speaker 1: question to Catherine at You Need Therapy podcast dot com

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Speaker 1: and hopefully one day I will answer it. And with that,

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Speaker 1: I do want to again always say that this is

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Speaker 1: not therapy. Even though I'm answering some of y'all's questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm just answering some questions, and a lot of times

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Speaker 1: I don't even give a full answer. I just ask

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Speaker 1: questions back to you. But I don't want you to

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Speaker 1: confuse this podcast with actual therapy, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: can't be your therapist over a podcast. That'd be cool, though,

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Speaker 1: but not possible. So I'm going to get straight into

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Speaker 1: it because the questions this week are so good and

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Speaker 1: actually one of them is not a question from you.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a combination of conversations I've been having

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Speaker 1: with clients, conversations I've been having in my head as

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Speaker 1: I scroll social media and some d ms I've been

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Speaker 1: getting from some of y'all asking questions about what I

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Speaker 1: thought about certain body image things. So it's not really

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Speaker 1: like a question, but I just want to address something.

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Speaker 1: I want to address the attempt at normalizing different body

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Speaker 1: types in post recently on TikTok and Instagram and really

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Speaker 1: So basically, like I said, I've been doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of thinking about this, and I've been writing to my

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Speaker 1: thoughts and having conversations, and it all started with this trend.

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Speaker 1: This is what kick started it from me. But there's

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Speaker 1: this trend on TikTok where there's this audio that says,

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Speaker 1: bodies that look like this also look like this, Bodies

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Speaker 1: that look like this also look like this, and it

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Speaker 1: has somebody who is posing and and showing off an

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Speaker 1: attempt at an end quote ideal body or ideal body

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Speaker 1: in our culture. And then the other post is like

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Speaker 1: them relaxed or sitting down or bent over where you

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Speaker 1: can see again I'm doing quotation marks with my my hands,

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Speaker 1: but in quotes imperfections in their bodies, like a back

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Speaker 1: anything that doesn't look again in quotes, perfect or ideal.

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Speaker 1: So this has taken off. And then also this has

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Speaker 1: been going on for a while, and like I've posted

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Speaker 1: stuff like this, so you guys are with me as

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Speaker 1: I'm learning and changing my opinions myself, which I believe

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Speaker 1: is important for us to do, as we can change

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Speaker 1: our opinions as we learn more and grow more. Then

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Speaker 1: there's also these pictures where people will post, like a

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Speaker 1: picture of them posed again and what looks like an

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Speaker 1: a static picture and not a video. Okay, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, I believe that these posts and

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Speaker 1: videos have been put out into the world with like

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Speaker 1: the best intentions, and I do appreciate them for that reason.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody who's trying to in quotes

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Speaker 1: with it. So it's good intentions, and again, so this

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Speaker 1: having because again I'm changing my opinion as we speak,

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Speaker 1: the past, I've actually really found that these have been helpful.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I've posted things like this before,

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Speaker 1: like probably kind of even recently, and I've reposted other

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Speaker 1: to me. And the reality is, these videos actually perpetuate

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Speaker 1: And y'all, this is everything, at least in my pursuit

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Speaker 1: So when somebody in a smaller body who's posting one

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Speaker 1: the well. In larger bodies, right, they are looking for

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Speaker 1: So smaller bodied humans have this ability to oscillate between

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Speaker 1: you guys to know is a luxury. And even if

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Speaker 1: you don't consider yourself to be unquote skinny or have

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Speaker 1: the in quotes perfect body, you still may be benefiting

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Speaker 1: And I will preach that until the day I die,

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Speaker 1: What would happen if we just started posting pictures of

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Speaker 1: And this is my point of view. Now do with

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Speaker 1: So that is Cotch Talks, maybe one of the longest

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Speaker 1: guys in some ways, and I will be talking to

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Speaker 1: you again on Monday. If you don't follow me at

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Speaker 1: Cat dot de fata on Instagram and at You Need

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Speaker 1: Therapy podcast and have the day you need to have. Hi, guys,