WEBVTT - Let's Be Mallrats...with Kevin Smith (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a very special surprise for everyone, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the lovely Kevin Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is Let's be Marats.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be Marats.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me paint the picture for the kids at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I've been around now I've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>this is a January of twenty twenty four marks thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years that I have been in the business, So thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years from the moment Clerks played at Sundance. Look, it

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<v Speaker 2>only took me forty five seconds to say Clerks, I

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<v Speaker 2>have been around. That's I only say that just so

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you like I have experience not just

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<v Speaker 2>this business, but in this town and specifically in the

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<v Speaker 2>dwellings of those who work within our industry. That is

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I have been in some really nice houses

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<v Speaker 2>in my day. This is a staggering palace to oneself,

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<v Speaker 2>a shrine to the hard work put in by a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl who I remember seeing in Ron Howard's movie

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<v Speaker 2>Night Shift. Mugger.

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<v Speaker 3>Mugger.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, from the little girl who worked with Wilford Brimley.

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<v Speaker 4>If Wilford Brimley could see where you how you live,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my god, he would be like, I should ask

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot more money from them diabetes commercials or

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. This place is staggering. This is just go.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you allowed to curse on your product? Fucking gorgeous?

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<v Speaker 2>You should see this kitchen. You might see it behind

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<v Speaker 2>her and you're not. It's not even doing a justice.

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled in and I was like, holy shit, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I need to know. Is this nine O

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<v Speaker 2>two one oh money or charmed money? Because I know

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<v Speaker 2>it as.

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<v Speaker 3>Money it was.

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<v Speaker 4>If this was Marat's money, I too would live in

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<v Speaker 4>the taj Mahal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this was charmed money.

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<v Speaker 2>This charm money.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a combination of nine two and oh

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<v Speaker 3>and charmed money.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about that, because you like had a show

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<v Speaker 2>two shows in an era when like residuals were like

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<v Speaker 2>a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, when residuals were terrible even they were bad then,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah terrible now yeah, so nine O two and

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<v Speaker 1>oh it wasn't like a full fledged.

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<v Speaker 3>Network yet Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the beginning. So our residuals were always extremely low.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, now I think it's like, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>an entire season, they'll send me a residual for like

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen dollars. Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what happened to nine oh two and oh kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for nine oh two and oh. I

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<v Speaker 2>watched nine oh two one oh in quick stop behind

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<v Speaker 2>the counter before we made Clerks, while we were making

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<v Speaker 2>clerks and whatnot, so much so that when I make

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<v Speaker 2>my second movie and Shannon's in it, like that was

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute sign that I'd made it. Like I watched

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<v Speaker 2>this person like a year ago, I was watching you

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<v Speaker 2>on TV at my job, and a year later my

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<v Speaker 2>job was to hang out with you in a fucking mall.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this rules so that I was there

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<v Speaker 2>when that show broke and to say, to try to

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<v Speaker 2>explain to people how big that phenomenon is, you would

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<v Speaker 2>have to point to like the Swifties and shit like

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<v Speaker 2>that at this point, and maybe people are you're over

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<v Speaker 2>saying it bullshit. This nine O two one oh was

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<v Speaker 2>like literally everywhere, and Shannon was like everywhere as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They hunted you, they did like constantly, Like Shannon was

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<v Speaker 2>in every piece of media. If there was an internet,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have broken it multiple times. Yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even speaking out of school. You could probably go on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet and fucking go back and see. But Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>was like the first person like the proto influencer, but

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't an influencer. She actually is an actress and had

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<v Speaker 2>a career and shood. But the person that they focused

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<v Speaker 2>on your personal life almost more than your performances.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even almost one hundred percent, focused more on my

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<v Speaker 1>personal life than and look, you know, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I gave them a lot to focus on.

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<v Speaker 2>Was also fun back in those days. And as much

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<v Speaker 2>as headline after headline was like Doherty punches out motherfucker

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<v Speaker 2>with camera Doherty and Judd Nelson and that was like

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<v Speaker 2>a dream pairing because it's like, oh my god, the

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<v Speaker 2>girl from Heather's and the boy from Breakfast Club, like

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<v Speaker 2>just as an outsider from that, from that world and

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<v Speaker 2>then entering the world and working with you as a

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<v Speaker 2>good temporary was just so like that. That to me

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<v Speaker 2>was the first syndication like, oh my god, I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>made it. My question is this and we'll get back

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<v Speaker 2>to this fucking majestic estate that apparently Charmed pay for it,

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't Charmed residuals. It was like the Charmed

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<v Speaker 2>per episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It was I mean, listen, it was a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff because.

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<v Speaker 2>There were residuals on Charms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's where the money profit participation.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that does that still exist? Yeah? So whenever

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<v Speaker 2>they sell Charm you get a piece. Yes, you're lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, how deep is that you attached to every

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<v Speaker 2>season of Charmed or just the ones you're in.

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<v Speaker 1>Supposed to be every season, so that you definitely got.

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<v Speaker 2>Paid for the ones you're oh for sure, and they

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<v Speaker 2>sold that fucker everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And it continues to like you know, the thing about Charmed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what's interesting is that I think, uh, if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you put them together right in the same time frame,

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<v Speaker 1>I think nine was still the bigger show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I would agree with that. Charm definitely had

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<v Speaker 2>a charm well, and it also seems like it's had

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<v Speaker 2>a longer shelf life. Maybe I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Our I think our fans are probably the most loyal,

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>You know number one is right. So here I follow

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<v Speaker 2>you from like your early career like up till mal

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<v Speaker 2>Rats and then I'm busy making movies. But the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's not as busy making movies and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time to watch TV and has literally watched Charmed

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<v Speaker 2>No Bullshit from fucking season one to the end and

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<v Speaker 2>then starts again and loops back no less than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five times the course of the last ten years A

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<v Speaker 2>long Jason mues.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a fucking man, I'm not overstating it. By being

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<v Speaker 2>in front of you. You could go listen to him

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<v Speaker 2>talk anywhere in public. He doesn't know the Smith's song

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<v Speaker 2>how soon is now? He just knows the theme Charmed,

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<v Speaker 2>so when it comes on, He's like, fucking charm bitch,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, yes, but it pre exists Charmed

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But he like lived and still to this day. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you you lived in a maybe twenty four to forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hour news cycle. If you did something at fucking

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<v Speaker 2>the China Club or whatever fuck or what was that place,

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<v Speaker 2>the formosa, you had about twenty four hours forty eight

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<v Speaker 2>hours for the rest of the world might find out

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<v Speaker 2>you lived in a pre TMZ world. Yes, who covered you?

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<v Speaker 2>Who was your nemesis? Who was the outfit?

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<v Speaker 3>The National Inquirer that was the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so wild because they don't I mean, correct me

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm wrong. I don't want to pick any fights.

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<v Speaker 2>But they just don't seem to have a presence or

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<v Speaker 2>an existence now like they used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they used to be huge. They were like it

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<v Speaker 1>was Star magazine and National Acquirer.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were the predators. They were the ones where

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like, get me a fucking photograph of her

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<v Speaker 2>punching you, and holy shit, will run it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But the great thing about that time, to a certain degree,

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<v Speaker 1>was that you were able to sort of say to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, okay, great, so fine, it's in the press,

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<v Speaker 1>and that sucks. It's in a newspaper, but that newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>you knew was going to be, you know, lining a

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<v Speaker 1>cat litter box and forgotten. Now you google my name

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<v Speaker 1>and it all lives there forever.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point is any of it? Are you ever? Like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fucking glad because it adds to the mythology. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you were like you were like, if I go back

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<v Speaker 2>in time out of race, yeah shit, would you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I would?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's to me as part of like the DNA

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<v Speaker 2>of who you are. You have the unpleasant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>business of having to grow up in front of people,

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<v Speaker 2>like have an adolescence in front of the world and

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<v Speaker 2>do shit that everybody does, but like, fucking they put

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<v Speaker 2>a camera on it and they were like, how dare

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<v Speaker 2>she do it? And shit like that. But that being said,

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<v Speaker 2>at your DNA, at the core of your DNA has

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<v Speaker 2>always been a fighter. That's why when the cancer stuff

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<v Speaker 2>kicked in, I was like, naturally, like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>my heart's breaking. But at the same time, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody's gonna fucking fight it. It's fucking dodo is she?

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<v Speaker 2>She fought less and for less, like this is so

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<v Speaker 2>much more so, you know, I'm no doctor and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, well, it may have met its match.

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<v Speaker 2>And having noted her as all as that, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you know how you how we even come

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<v Speaker 2>into each other's world? I do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was after nine o two one zero and

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<v Speaker 1>my agent at the time, where were you?

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<v Speaker 3>What agency? It might have been? William Morris and.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon couldn't be more famous kids at this point. Like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon was probably one of the most famous people in

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<v Speaker 2>the world period. She was absolutely hands down, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>oversteading it because I'm in her fucking palace, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous people in the world who was written.

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<v Speaker 3>About, who had to audition for you. Yes, I had

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<v Speaker 3>auditioned for you, like.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the whole I trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, you know, there's this movie, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to audition, and I I was like, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me read it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I read it and they're like it's Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and he did Clerks and I'm like, okay, let

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<v Speaker 1>me watch that. And I was like, yeah, okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>audition and I did. And I remember that audition with

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<v Speaker 1>you because you guys did not give anybody auditioning from

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<v Speaker 1>my part easy material to audition with. No. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like the monologue and I was like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was the girl who I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, I don't ever want to read off of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sides off of a piece of paper, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to memorize it all.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was like a page long monelogue. She would

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<v Speaker 2>have to like memorize.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy, but I did it and you were like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, do it faster, and I was that was.

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<v Speaker 2>My direction to you for all of the mall rats for.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the mall rats, You're like faster, faster, faster

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<v Speaker 1>because you have.

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<v Speaker 2>The ability to write it tet like you could. The

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<v Speaker 2>original intention was kind of like, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make a John Hughes John Landis movie. But at

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<v Speaker 2>its root, Jim jacks the late Jim Jackson, who was

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<v Speaker 2>our producer, was like, you know, from the early draft,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, it's kind of like a screwball comedy

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<v Speaker 2>as well. He's going he got that pace going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And Shannon was like the first professional that I worked

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<v Speaker 2>with who could ratitat the dialogue in a very Howard

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<v Speaker 2>Hawks his Girl Friday kind of way. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch the elevator scene between her and like Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Lee where she's like, I'm a girl, damn it, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's so it's so fucking fast.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids some of the absolute best dialogue. I always

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<v Speaker 1>say this when people.

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<v Speaker 3>As it is, but you some of.

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<v Speaker 1>The best dialogue I've ever gotten to say. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you can be as humble as you want

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to put it beneath the damn waters heather stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>For me personally, that was maybe it was the pace,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but it was also just how you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>for Renee was so impressive to me because you're a

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<v Speaker 1>dude writing exactly what a girl was thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>The women, I was always kind of drawing to have

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<v Speaker 2>a very strong mother figure in my life, my mom literally,

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<v Speaker 2>so naturally, every like woman I gravitate toward is a pretty,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a strong figure and very well spoken and

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<v Speaker 2>usually the smartest person in the room. So all that

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<v Speaker 2>went into the dna of like all the female characters

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<v Speaker 2>that I wrote, and when I wrote them at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like people were like, oh, he can really write female characters.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a thing with my kid. I got a daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>Harley Quinn. She's like twenty four, and we had this

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<v Speaker 2>writing gig and we wrote the script together and in

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<v Speaker 2>it it's like two generations of characters, so there were

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<v Speaker 2>from the young people and older people, like so she

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<v Speaker 2>would have the voice of the youth and I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>have one of the other side. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting for the right one scene. I was like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take a crack at it. And so I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the scene and I was like, hey, kiddo, I took

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<v Speaker 2>a run at the car scene with kids, like, let

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<v Speaker 2>me know what you think, and she wrote back, She's like, Dad, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty something talks like this. Oh. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about. I was like, I'm fucking

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<v Speaker 2>like the king of gen X dialogue, like literally, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's my bread and butter and fucking in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was like, yes, dead in the nineties. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, I know, it was a dagger in

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<v Speaker 2>my fucking heart. I was like, but I was. She

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't wrong. I'm like, yeah, I guess I am in

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<v Speaker 2>my fucking fifties and that era. You know, I could

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<v Speaker 2>sell have a good ear for dialogue, but like being

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<v Speaker 2>the person who knows the voice of youth, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like when I turn on Euphoria and get scared

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, oh, that's youth culture, right, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, I don't understand teens anymore. So generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>when we go back in time, Shannon, we had the

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<v Speaker 2>merity to ask her to to audition.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Phillips twice.

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<v Speaker 1>You went in twice, I went, so, yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned and then and then.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the most famous people in the world whose

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<v Speaker 5>work we were like familiar with, like it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what she's capable of, right the Shannon,

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<v Speaker 5>She's like, you know, we've seen her for a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of seasons on IO two.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she was in fucking others. She's been working for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. So it was like, we all know what

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon could do. Why they kept making you audition? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you know me, I'm like, fucking, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>she's famous as cast. I mean like I've watched her

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<v Speaker 2>movies and she's legit. She wants to be in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck like quick say yes. But for some reason they

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<v Speaker 2>were like Don Phillips is like all right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have her come back in and I'm like, why she's

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<v Speaker 2>the one?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean then also, by the way, like the Key

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<v Speaker 2>to a green Light on that movie as well, like

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<v Speaker 2>that movie, Yes, that movie was That's how And again

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like blowing smoke of brass, but like that's

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<v Speaker 2>how fucking popular Shannon was. Universal was like, oh, Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>Door is interested, well, now you have a blinking green light.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they literally said. I thought, like that's an

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<v Speaker 2>expression in Hollywood, and it was that nobody used it anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>but the idea is, like, you're halfway there. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>one more like TV star. Later on, we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to convince him that Jeremy London, who had done one

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<v Speaker 2>season of a TV show called I'll Fly Away, which

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<v Speaker 2>was very critically acclaimed, had Sam Waterson in it, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's on a TV show. Look their ads and shit

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and they're like, hey, all right, there's two

0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.480
<v Speaker 2>TV people. Let's go. But Shannon was the one that

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<v Speaker 2>got them. You know that Shannon was the viagra for Universal,

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<v Speaker 2>for them to be like, oh, we're suddenly very interested

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<v Speaker 2>and it's only a matter of time before we closed steal.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, that's that's literally all I want people

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<v Speaker 1>to say from now on.

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<v Speaker 3>Shannon was the biakra.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone ever like goes away with anything from this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exactly that right there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys did want me to come back for a

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<v Speaker 1>second audition, and you guys called it a pizza party,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that.

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<v Speaker 2>Pizza party, which was a formality. You were getting the

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<v Speaker 2>part at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>And they told me I was getting the part, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the second audition wasn't really an audition.

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<v Speaker 2>Scandals story about the Pizza Party. So Pizza Party kids,

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<v Speaker 2>as Shannon was about to explain, and then I started

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<v Speaker 2>man explaining it for in her own fucking house, but guessed,

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<v Speaker 2>I am, but the Pizza Party was. Don Phillips was

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<v Speaker 2>our casting direct Yes, Don Phillips was super fucking well

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<v Speaker 2>known in the cast.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Fast Times at Richmond High.

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<v Speaker 2>The lady knows her, Yeah, Times Richmond High now cast it,

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<v Speaker 2>but single handedly discovered Sean Penn. Right then he cast

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<v Speaker 2>Richard link Later's Days and Confused and discovered you know,

0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.879
<v Speaker 2>with the help of course Richard link later, Matthew McConaughey.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then we made a little picture called Marats Together

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<v Speaker 2>and he discovered an actor named.

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<v Speaker 3>Jaj Jason Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>So Don's got a stellar track record and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>Don Phillips had this thing called Pizza Party, where basically

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<v Speaker 2>it was a I mean, pizza party is such a

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<v Speaker 2>misleading title, because yes, there was pizza party.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's eating pizza and then going into like spout dialogue

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Lady's right, there was a lot of leftover pizza. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the actors weren't eating it. But it gets worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're bringing in Don Phillips. Pizza Party is bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in three actors that are up for the same role. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see your competition all throughout the day, and

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<v Speaker 2>then sometimes you were cast opposite your competition in a

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<v Speaker 2>scene where they're just playing somebody else for the read,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're forced to sit there and watch somebody do

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<v Speaker 2>the lines that you studied very well. And shit. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>for me, that was like my first motion picture, right

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<v Speaker 2>other than Clerks. We made ourselves as the first legit

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<v Speaker 2>movie and I was like, I guess that's how it's done. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard for years since then is like, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what a horrible experience that was? All? That's Pizza Party.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, Pizza Party, it was like that fucking train

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 2>that looks like a circus, but it is bringing you

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<v Speaker 2>to a death camp. They're like, it's so fucking horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>We all got there and just found out that, like

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<v Speaker 2>we had to compete against each other and around Robin

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<v Speaker 2>style and knock each other off one by one. So

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<v Speaker 2>nobody ate. Pizza and Amanda Pete came out of New

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<v Speaker 2>York and even though we knew that it was you

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<v Speaker 2>playing the part, Universa was like, well, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>bring out two other people for Renee as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>there was one other person I forget. But the other

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<v Speaker 2>person was a man of Pete, and Amanda Pete was

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and she had to come to West Coast,

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<v Speaker 2>so they flew her like they paid for a fly.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, she's what they

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<v Speaker 2>called out a straw man, stalking horse or whatever, like

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<v Speaker 2>unless you came in and took a shit on the table,

0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>she was never getting the part. It was gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>you because everyone wanted you to have the partner shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So she came out and like, GI, have a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>audition and whatnot. But she had figured out at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain point that it was she was never like truly

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<v Speaker 2>in the running. In our minds, it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she'll take one of the other parts, like Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. And we offered a Gwen and

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<v Speaker 2>she said no afterwards because she felt disrespected by the process.

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<v Speaker 2>She was mad that we had flown her all the

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<v Speaker 2>way out there, and she truly had no chance to understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my young twenty five year old mind, I

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, that was a free trip to Los Angeles,

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I would have been like, I don't giving shit,

0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I got to go to Los Angeles. I had a

0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.920
<v Speaker 2>different mindset back then. I was still coming in from

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<v Speaker 2>like the real world and stuff. So Shannon, we do

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<v Speaker 2>the second the round Robin, and like Joey Adams hates

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<v Speaker 2>that day, like Jason Lee is the only one. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like it was hard, and he was like it

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<v Speaker 2>was weird seeing other people that worked for the part.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jason was meant to be a stalking horse or

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<v Speaker 2>a straw man. He was not the guy that we

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<v Speaker 2>thought was going to get the part. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>the third guy, and then throughout the day wound up

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<v Speaker 2>being the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty amazing, yeah, because I remember reading with

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<v Speaker 1>three different guys and there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Another guy who everyone thought was gonna be it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But towards the end, I think, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>kept bringing Jason and I back in, and you worked

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<v Speaker 1>with both of us a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was more about like, oh shit, let's see

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<v Speaker 2>how we know we want her. Let's see how she

0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 2>is with the new guy. Because he was like he

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't done anything. He was in Nvita Loca and Alison

0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Andrews movie one shot him and Spike Jones, like buying

0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.920
<v Speaker 2>drugs from somebody who like raised the hand to him,

0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 2>wordless and shit, And that's the closest he'd come to acting.

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.760
<v Speaker 2>He was a professional skateboarder, so everyone was like any

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<v Speaker 2>act like, let's see.

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<v Speaker 3>How he answer.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, he was ready, and boy he grew into

0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.879
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful actor. But how it even gets to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where I say to Jim Jackson, you know who

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<v Speaker 2>we should go after, the Shannon Doherty Because even though

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<v Speaker 2>I sit there and watch you, and probably because I

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.479
<v Speaker 2>sit there and watch you on TV, and probably because

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>like you were constantly in the news, and probably because

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I saw you in Heathers, you never occurred to me

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<v Speaker 2>to cast because I was like, she's way too fucking

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<v Speaker 2>famous for this movie. Its like gonna be a four

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<v Speaker 2>and a half million dollar movie, Like and she's coming

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<v Speaker 2>off of nine oh two, one oh. She ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spend that fucking cred on a movie like this. So

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<v Speaker 2>never entered my mind. I might as well have been like, oh,

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Julia Roberts might want to do mal rats, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly you were in the same caliber in my head.

0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Ingram, who interviews you later on or any use

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<v Speaker 2>all of us for mal Renz Canadian Malcolm. I had

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<v Speaker 2>just met him at the Toronto Film Festival for the

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Clerk screening and we go out to eat. So while

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 2>we're sitting there, like you know, people are like, so,

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>what's coming next? What are you gonna do next? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I've been talking to Universal, to the

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.360
<v Speaker 2>guys that made Days Confused, Jim Jackson, Sean Daniels, Alphaville

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 2>about making this movie called mal Reds, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it. I was like, Clerk's in them all,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, holy shit. Malcolm goes, well, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>get fucking Doherty and I was like Shannadherty and he goes, yeah,

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.359
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get fucking Dorty. She's a queen. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Shannondorty is super famouss like that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>got a fucking get HER's the only chance your movie has.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I didn't know this.

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm was the one that was just like fucking Doherty man.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, look, you're gonna go back to the studio

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<v Speaker 2>and shit, say Shannadory watched their faces and so when

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<v Speaker 2>I went back, you know, Jim Jackson is like talking

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<v Speaker 2>about who could be. Joey Adams was somebody that Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Jack's was leaning toward because he had a friendship with her. Shit,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I'm like, what about Shanon Doherty

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and Jim Jack's like Shannon Doherty, she's like really famous,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I know, I know, but like

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 2>she is like age appropriate and she's coming off of

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking like I know two and oh, like maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>needs something to do, like I don't know, like isn't

0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>it worth asking? And it begins with Malcolm. So Malcolm

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 2>came out for like the casting process. When I was like, Malcolm,

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 2>like Shannon Doherty's coming in, He's like, oh, fucking coming on, California,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta see this. Did he come to the audience?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he did come to the audition, Yeah, as

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I remember him sitting in on the audition.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was supposed to be it. But then when

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>we went to Minnesota to shoot the movie, and Malcolm

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to stay for five days and then stayed

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole fucking shit. Right, he was always had

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 2>this like fucking sense of product and still to this day,

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 2>like whenever he wants to bring me down, a peg

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It's just like you didn't fucking think of Doerty.

0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Malcolm, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was not because I'm like, I'll never think

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 2>of Doughty because she's good enough, but I was like,

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.200
<v Speaker 2>she too fucking big for us, and shit, and mercifully

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you were like, why did you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I freaking loved the script, to be honest, I really did.

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:19.360
<v Speaker 1>And it was, as I said, for me, coming off

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>of nine O two one O, your dialogue was so

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>interesting and Renee was so interesting, and I really I

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 1>wanted to work with a young, up and coming director

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and you were, you know, you had all of this

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 1>like attention on you from Clerks, Sundance, all of that stuff.

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>So it was it was kind of like my reps agreed,

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I agreed. It was, yeah, you got to, you know,

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>if you wanted. I kind of wanted to shift gears

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in my career anyway, because I had gotten so much

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>hate from playing Brenda, because Brenda, you know, went through

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 1>way too ens drama and angst and.

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Which the audience confused with the with.

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Me, yeah, and Renee was just not Brenda in any way,

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>shape or form, and so it just felt like a

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 1>really good career move, and I freaking like, still to

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this day love that dialogue. Somebody recently at a convention

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>asked me if I would say some of the lines,

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I really have to prep for that.

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>It's been a long time between me and Malrats. I like,

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 2>for me, those movies never die, right, Like the casts

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>go on to other things and whatnot, But like, those

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>movies are active and vital in my world all the time,

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 2>not just because I fucking sequalize them to death, but

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 2>also just because I've had a deep connection with the

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 2>audience and fostered it for years and years. So in

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>my world, those movies like never end. There's always somebody

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 2>coming in and being like I fucking love Malrats ways

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and where I'm like, where were you when we fucking

0:25:58.359 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>put that movie out?

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>And That's kind of the interesting thing about mal Rats, right,

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>is that it wasn't a box office success.

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>It died.

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>It died, So did my film career.

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>We took it down and we took chance.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that was it?

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>What did you did you do a movie after that?

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Uh? No? No, like that was that was it? People

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>literally thought that like I was carrying the movie. So therefore,

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>if it was a box office failure, it was completely

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>on me. So there was no film career after that,

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>which was a little brutal. But at the same time,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I I I got to carry that cross now and

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>carry that cross.

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I never put two and two together.

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 3>It's okay, Like I think the fact that it is because.

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>You really never shoot like another feature film. I mean like,

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean you did, like I don't know the Reunion

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>movie and ship, but.

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Like TV all TV still like.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Two hours of a movie and it anymore. Man, TV

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and my kid I can't tell you what network her

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:03.199
<v Speaker 2>favorite shows are on.

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Wait yeah, now, But back then it was very different.

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>There was a very big difference, and I just wasn't

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't necessarily want the grind of a TV show

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>so soon. So I really thought that like mal Rats

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>was gonna kick me into that gear.

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I mean, here's the thing that might be

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>aged like fine.

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Wine, fine wine.

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>But in the moment when a movie, when a movie flops, kids,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>this is the experience, at least my experience. Like when

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 2>a movie ends, it's like fucking love each other, man,

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and you sign each other's yearbooks like it's high school

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like I'll see you next summer, A fucking bond it

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 2>forever and shit, and then when a movie dies, like

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>if you know your your biblical stories, like fucking remember

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>when like Christ gets arrested, like all the apostles scattered

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, do you know Jesus? Like who Jesus? No,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I know this guy Jeter get Us,

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>but Jeebus, maybe I don't. I don't know Jesus. That's

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>what happen. But everybody goes running from the fucking bomb,

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>so you scatter, so you know. I quickly pivoted and

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 2>started writing Chasing Amy, which would then go on to

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 2>like resuscitate my career and and kind of like I

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It was weird because like I went, I

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 2>went to the Independent Spirit Awards the year before Chasing

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Amy came out just to present because I had written

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the show that year and so I was one of

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the presenters. I was there with Lord Dern and I

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>went up and before we present, I was like, hey, man,

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I just want to take this opportunity to say, like

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to apologize from all right. I don't know what I

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>was thinking as a joke, and we're there in front

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>of like a bunch of indie folks under the tet

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>in Santa Monica and they're all like, h Roger eber

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>took that seriously. So when he reviewed Chasing Amy, he's like,

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Smith made a movie so bad he apologized for

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>but like Chasing Amy on the other hand, now, so

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying this kid's because for some people, you know,

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>for younger people, it's like what so they're out of

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the conversation, sadly. But for the older people, you know

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe or the mid range w picked it up and

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, on home video like in the late nineties,

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and shit, this movie came and went in a weekend.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It played on five hundred screens and was off of

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>all of those screens within yeah, eight we had eight days,

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>like basically an eight to ten day UND. It was

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>like like I remember going to a test screening at

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>San Diego Comic Con long before Hollywood like descended on

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>comic Con and stuff, and we screened it. Tom Pollock,

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>who was the head of Universal Studios at that point,

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 2>he's there and he's like I was there for the

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Animal House test screening and he goes and this is

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 2>that he's going this movie's gonna make one hundred million dollars,

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and he was off by ninety eight million, but he

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>was close, you know close, you got round up a

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit. So when very well, and I mean well

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>it's screened that that version of its screened very well,

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>we had by that point we had cut the longer

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>beginning which you could see on like the Mall Rats

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>fifteenth Anniversary DVD or whatever, because we had a test

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>screen unofficial test screening out in Los Angeles, and what

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>we learned from the screening was like, if you have

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a movie called Mall Rats, you better get to the

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>mall as quickly as possible. We didn't get to the

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>mall u till like the hour mark. So we went

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>in and did some reshaping. Paul Dixon was the editor,

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and then we did some reshooting out here in Los Angeles,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and so we were able to dive into the movie quicker.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>So those tests were like positive. The studio was high

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>on the flick. We were a Grammarcy release, which was

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 2>a co production between Universal and Polygrin. Grammarcy put out

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>shit like barbed Wire with Pamela Anderson. They put out

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Days Confused, but so it was a small kind of

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 2>boutique label within universal. See it was a universal release

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 2>but not a universal release. And she's right, man. It

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, man, if this works, fucking here

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>goes the movie career. Yeah it really did not. I

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>apologize for that, but now so so in the moment,

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 2>kids like dire, like Marats is a career killer. Yeah yeah,

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and like you know, a fucking ball in Shane and

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Albatross around the neck. Thank god, chasing Amy critically lifts

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>me above it and stuff, and I kind of go

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>on to have the career I fucking have. So Marats

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>comes out and dies this miserable death and then has

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>this ten year ascension to cult classic, cult classic, and

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>like kids, you would think if the question is, oh,

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>you guys know, no, no, because the world told us

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>we were bad, like we got chastised and as you

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>just hear, got fucking punished. They took away a movie career. Yeah,

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>so there was no like, ah, one day those kids

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>are gonna love this movie. It was just like you

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>did bad, all of you, never do this again. And

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>then the movie found it's it's audience, like when it

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>went to home video. Then ten years after mal Rats

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>and probably even less. But in my head it was

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.479
<v Speaker 2>like it took it. It was like a ten year journey.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>People would be like, I fucking love that movie and

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, well, where were you that movie flop?

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>They're like, no, I couldn't have been a flop. I

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>have that on DVD, And you're like, those two things

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily conflate, like one thing could be unsuccessful and

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you could still own the dvd, right, But what they're

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about is how many fucking times they spun it,

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>like how often they watched that movie. And I've met

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>everyone professions across the fucking boards to whom like mal

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Rats ment I was like for years, I did interviews

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>up up for the IMDb folks, and so I met, like,

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of people that I'll never work with.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>What's your name? Wanda Elizabeth Olsen? She comes in for

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>like that movie with Hawkeye Jeremy Renner, But before like

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 2>we even start talking, she was like, oh my god,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>she goes, you have no idea how many times I

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>watched Malrats with my brother and I was like, that's

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the one, and she's like that one summer all we

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>did was watch Malrats together. He loved that movie, and

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I love that movie because I love my brother. She's like,

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I could still quote that movie, and it was tough

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>to do that interview without being like crying. That was

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>before Wanta Vision, you know, after that. I believe me,

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I was a big fan of Wanta Vision, and maybe

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>a little more so because I was like, she likes Malrets.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>But I've met so many people like that. There are

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>people who worked with me later in my career who

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>do it predicated on fucking malrads. Marats became currency for us.

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>It bankrupted us at one point, yes, but.

0:33:56.000 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Now it's very much like we got the cool kid passed. Yes,

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, it was like we were not

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>allowed in a classroom or even at the school we were,

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, and now of a sudden, we were like

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the kings and queens of the school. We were the

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>prom queen and prom king. Basically, It's funny because I

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of conventions same and I signed so

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>many malrats posters and DVDs and my doll from Mall

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Rats and like all sorts of things, and it is

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>those fans are just the coolest. They friggin love mal Rats.

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>They're so dedicated to it. And they also always ask

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>me two things. One is when are you and Kevin

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>going to do a convention together? So we'll figure that out. Yes, Two,

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>when are you doing Marats too?

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm with them, When are we doing Marats? We've had

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a script for quite some time, which later on, if

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 2>your kids are good, I will force in into read

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>or a scene.

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean I have read the script.

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 3>I have read the script. I've read it like, this

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 3>can be.

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Edited, so you can easily, Like I can give you

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>five minutes to look over the dialogue.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why not?

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>You're like, look, I auditioned for the movie fuck It

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>once before. We'll get to that and a bit.

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Look, guys, he's making me audition from all rights to

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>right now that.

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Part has written for you.

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 3>When are we going to do it?

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm game. I know they're talking about doing a

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Chronicicon next year, like a real life Chronicon like we

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 2>did in Jane sombab reboot. We did this fake con

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 2>called Chronicon, So we're talking about doing that in real life.

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Like in February, we're doing our first cruise, Jane Somobob's

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>cruise eskew uh and then I think at the end

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of the year we're doing that. So I know sooner

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 2>or later somebody will hit you up and be like,

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>oh my God, come out for that. But what I'll

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>hit you up for personally is I bought a movie

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>theater back in my hometown with my friends and we

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 2>call it Smarckcastle Sen and we have done mall Rats

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>with Jason and Jeremy because they were both in town

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>for something. So I was like, fuck, I let's screen it.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>We did Chasing Amy two separate screenings, one with Jason Lee,

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.919
<v Speaker 2>one with with Joey Adams and Russo brothers just came

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 2>at the top of November and we did like a

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>big Q and A with them. So you come out

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>to when's the next time you're.

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 3>East, I can go back whenever.

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll send you like I have a whole

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>bunch of cons that I'm doing, so like I have

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>one in May in Philadelphia.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, yeah, that might be perfect. If you're going

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 2>to be out in Philly for May, that would be

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 2>a time to double up, unless you're like, bro, I

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like going to the coldest fucking place in the

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 2>world in March.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 3>In March, I'm in Scotland. That's not anywhere close to

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 3>do You're.

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Going over to Dokan there going back to Mall Rats.

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, when we did Mallrats, I didn't have this

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>like side hustle where like I was professionally Kevin Smith,

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>where I stand on stage and fucking tell stories and

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>shit that came out of Mallrats. Also because after Malurats

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>came out and died like a couple months later, like

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting around looking my wounds, going like what

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 2>the fuck? Man, Like I was on top and I'm

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking like I was a flavor of the fucking year.

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>And so we Uh. I got a call from the

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>University of Delaware. They were like doing a screening of Mallrats,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So like you want to come out and like talk afterwards,

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>And enough time had gone by a couple of months

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 2>where I was like yeah, yeah, I guess, And it's

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>within driving distance, Like it was like less than two

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>hours to get there. So I drove out and found

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 2>this insane healing I heard you talk about, and I

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>think you're absolutely right with with Holly. On the episode

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 2>you talked about how this is cheaper than therapy, doing

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>podcasting something I've believed in, you know, since I was podcasting,

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, there's no need for therapy.

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 2>You just get to talk about all your shit everything

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and good things, bad things. But so there I was

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five and doing this Q and A after Mornce,

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a packed room full of college kids

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>with no fucking pretenses about like your second movie flopped,

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>this pre internet, so it's nothing liking things not tribal yet,

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.959
<v Speaker 2>and it was probably a free screening on campus and shit.

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And then here was the filmmaker came out just for

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the fuck of it, and it was such an ego

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.359
<v Speaker 2>boost where it was like, oh my god, not only

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 2>is the theater packed, which didn't happen when this movie

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 2>was out, all these fucking kids love it. And they're

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>also like, hey, you're one of us, because I'm not

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 2>that far removed from them twenty five. These kids are

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>anywhere between eighteen twenty two at this point and stuff.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 2>So I become an aspir to figure where people are like,

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, like that's only a few years away from me.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 2>You just make a movie and shit, and you can

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>make a movie with like Shannadari. So that begins my therapy.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a chance I could have went south with the

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 2>recess to mallrats, because clerks have been so over praised,

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, in our business being what it is, there's

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 2>plenty of distractions to save your wounds. It could have

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>been booze, it could have been drugs. But what I

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>found was people being like, no, this movie's good and

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>standing up in in front of audience and shit. That

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 2>fed me and also created this entire side hustle through

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 2>which now I make a majority of whatever I earn

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>more as just being Kevin Smith than what Kevin Smith

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>does for a living, all tied to fucking mallrats. Yeah,

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>do you what do you remember about shooting at the mall?

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>The Eden Prairie Mall, you know, which I've revisited many times.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Not only evidence of us because they changed, like the

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>food court with those weird neon palm trees and shit

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>like that, which was so weird because we were in Minnesota.

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>The only evidence of us is in the pot Belly

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>sandwich shop. There's a malrat sposter hanging up.

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, at least there's something or acknowledging it. I what

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I really remember about shooting was the atmosphere I remember

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the hotel, all of us just like I mean, Muse

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 1>was skateboarding, so it was Jason like down the hallways. Yes,

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 1>could smells some pot, you know, we were. I think

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it was just so it felt like a bunch of

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>kids who were just in a frat house basically like

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:28.280
<v Speaker 1>hanging out together.

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Had you, like when you shot Heathers were you shooting

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in La? Had you ever gone on location to shoot

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>a movie?

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I'm not I don't. Yes, yes, because I did,

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>like Robert Kennedy in his times when I was young,

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and that was it hyena sport.

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So I had been.

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 1>But remember it was like nine o two one zero

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>was my life for four years. I think you were

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>working constantly and in La, you know, riving so to

0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>be in a location and and also to be working

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>with everybody that was just having a good time. Like

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>nobody took themselves too seriously, and.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I did. I think I was like trying

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.959
<v Speaker 2>to be the indie film like Icon.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>It was a weird tri He was also the captain

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of the ship, you know, and you had a studio movie,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>so that you know a lot of pressure on you.

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>But you know, Claire for Lonnie, her hotel room was

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 1>directly across from mine, and so I would hang out

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 1>with her a lot. I remember she just kept on

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>eating kiwi's and I had never eaten a kiwi before,

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and she was like peeling and eating her kiwi while

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>talking to me, and it was it was like a

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>nightly ritual that we had to sort of just decompress

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>from the day.

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I was excited because I'm like, wow, this is like

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>a movie movie in this school. And I had Tony

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 1>g was my makeup artist at the time, who then

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>went on to do Angelina Jolie and then became like

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a huge prosthetic girl.

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Was that the girl that you hung out with all

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the time.

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with the like perfectly toned arms and like the

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 1>quirky personality.

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Was like your right hand person. Yeah, and you had

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 2>the dog. Which dog did you have? It was a

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 2>German shop.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 3>I had Elfie Elfie and she was.

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Straight out of Germany. She responded to or she responded

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to German commits.

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>She was straight out of Germany. And she was shots

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>in three, like hardcore trained security.

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because she Shannon could be like and the motherfucker

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 2>would like go choose somebody's throat out.

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah shit, yeah, And we taught her also like street

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>like street training. When she came here from Germany, we

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>had taught her street training, so she didn't go for arms.

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 2>She went through for like next the way shepherds do.

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.240
<v Speaker 2>It was like I remember, while we were shooting, Shannon

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 2>would come in and because we shot at an active mall,

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>The in Prairie Mall was this shopping center, you know,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 2>in inan Prairie, Minnesota, which is maybe about twenty five

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes away from Minneapolis, but definitely at least twenty

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes away from the Mall of America, which had

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>opened the year prior, which I don't know if it

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 2>still counts as this, but at that point was the

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 2>world's biggest fucking mall, so it had sucked all the

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 2>business out of the other local malls. So the Eaton

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Prairie Mall was operating at less than fifty percent capacity

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of stores. So that's why. And we got that mall.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:23.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know, it's nineteen ninety five and shit,

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>so naturally everything's going to sound cheap. But in nineteen

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, kids, this was cheap. They gave us that

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>mall for two months for ten thousand dollars.

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:32.800
<v Speaker 3>That's cheap.

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 2>That's even by today's standards. I think people would be

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 2>like what it was nuts. And in that mall that

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.479
<v Speaker 2>became our studio, so it.

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 3>Was like dressing rooms were stores shut down.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there were no trailers or anything like that. Like

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure on nine oh two, we know you guys

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 2>had fucking trailers. Yeah. Here the dressing rooms were built,

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>as Shannon said, inside fucking closed down story. So here's

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the gap next to you. The depth just closed down,

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and we built a bunch of fucking stalls.

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>And in the living room, like I think you guys

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>gave me like a whole storage just to myself. It

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>was probably like you know, a Claire's ear ring store

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 1>that had gotten did not.

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Even exist yet kids where we are we are, and they.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Almost like a shoved couch in there and like one chair,

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and it was like, here's your dressing room, and I

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>was like cool.

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>She would come in through like the front door with

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>el and like walk up the escalator stairs to like

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 2>where the dressing rooms were and stuff like that, and

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>the people that ran the mall would constantly come into

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the office like I look, I know she is who

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 2>she is, but like, can she go through the back door?

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 2>If people see her bringing a dog into the mall,

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.439
<v Speaker 2>they'll think they can bring a dog into the mall.

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>And so we were like, yeah, we'll talk to her, like, Shannon,

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you can't bring it through the you go through the

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 2>back door. And she goes, now I'm gonna go through

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the front door, and we're like all right. So we

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 2>were like we talked to Shannon as the best we

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>could deliver. I A'm gonna tell her to kill her dogs.

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>She can't go through the fucking ball. And yet like that, I.

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Don't even remember that it.

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Was that the dog was absolutely adorable, but it was necessary.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Like again, I'm not overstating how fucking famous an it was.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 2>And we were now outside of like her natural stomping

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>grounds where you could be famous in Los Angeles and

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>there are other famous people, although she was fucking stalked.

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 2>We were in Minnesota where people were like, where your

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 2>fame is magnified ten thousand times.

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, by the way, Minnesota. The twins were from Minnesota, Minnesota.

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know and listen, at the end

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of the day, everybody was wonderful. But I think again,

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>coming off of nine O twoe oh and having that

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.320
<v Speaker 1>amount of fame at that age where and you're getting

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>letters from crazy people saying that you know you're married

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to them, and you you know they're going to come

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and get you and bring you back home, and you're like,

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like this person thinks we're actually married,

0:45:58.400 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and what are they going to do to me if

0:45:59.600 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 1>they ever?

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Did? They? Nowadays, they you know, the kids ship relationships

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>on TV shows. It's called oh I ship this real hard.

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 3>What the hell does that mean?

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>It means that they love that particular pairing of couples.

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, oh, I shipped this. I shipped this

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 2>couple so hard. And you were definitely before there was

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>an internet. Your relationship with Dylan broke that Internet, and

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 2>people shipped Brenda and Dylan so fucking hard. Yeah, So

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 2>did you get shipped from people who are like you

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.399
<v Speaker 2>can't fucking we how come you're not with Dylan and ship?

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, but I think it was more I

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>don't your mind. Yeah, it was definitely more your mind,

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 1>very scary stuff where you're you know, having to get

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the FBI involved, right, And and that was the dog

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't like at that point, I didn't really

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>want a lot of I didn't want like a security

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.479
<v Speaker 1>guard that was that would have a.

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Fucking bodyguard, which would have made like a hell of

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>sense at this time, would have but like that we're

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>really trying to keep it. Yeah, just.

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 1>A bodyguard would have felt to me as if I

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>believed in my own hype, right, and also invasive because

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not someone who wants to hang out with someone

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours a day. I really enjoyed my my Space,

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>but as a dog I can hang out with twenty

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>four hours a day.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Were you a rich kid growing up or no, I was,

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>were the opposite. Yeah, So I think that also has

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 2>something to do with it, because you know, you've always

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 2>had an air of street wise to you that one

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have if they were born into this world. You

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>came from a real place, and even you know, though

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>you started acting at a young age, you were surrounded

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 2>by fucking real people for at least the formative years

0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>of your life. Yeah, enough that you understand reality. So

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>even when you were super famous, I never felt you

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>leaning into that as much as leaning more toward I'm

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 2>an individual and I have a life and you're not

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 2>entitled to that, But fame was not a thing that

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 2>you particularly cared about. In fact, at that point in

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>your life, it had become a hindrance.

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I hated it.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 2>You always came across, for lack of a better description,

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.359
<v Speaker 2>more normal, somebody who grew up in the normal world

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 2>who then found fortune based on her talent. So I

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like you not having a bodyguard really tracked because

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that was something that like, yes, people in the business did,

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>but you were kind of like, I'm not of that world.

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm myself and I come from a real place. And

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 2>you could absolutely debunk it, but I think it had

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot to do with you all are from a

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.839
<v Speaker 2>world that's not make believe. You may work and make

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>believe world, and make believe world made you famous. You

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>came from family, the street, fucking like people who had

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to work for a living, Yeah, in order to fucking

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 2>keep roofs overheads and stuff. What I never asked you, though,

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 2>is when did it start? Whose idea was it to be, like,

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I want to fucking act.

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 3>It was my brother's idea.

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Actually, So my brother, who's four years older than me,

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>he really wanted to be an actor, Sean Sean Doherty,

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Sean Doherty, Sean Bryant Doherty. The Bryant is named after

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Bear Bryant, who was the coach for Alabama at the time.

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So we were doing plays at church and what it was.

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>We were raised Baptist, but we were going to a

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Methodist church and somebody saw us and you know it

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.839
<v Speaker 1>was like, I have an agent's number. You guys, they

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 1>should really, you know, get into the business. And my brother,

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>now this was now in LA.

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:14.400
<v Speaker 2>What were you doing.

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>So we had moved from Tennessee to like Palsferties area.

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Why for my dad's business. So it was a family business.

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 1>My grandfather, my mom's father had a shipping company, like

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 1>truck transportation company, and so my dad was opening up

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.280
<v Speaker 1>a West coast version.

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 2>So he moved the entire family, which is at this

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>point him, your mom, my brother, and myself, so just

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>four in the family. Just for in the family. There

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 2>was probably a pet, yeah, I mean I know that

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 2>when we were living. Yeah, there was Curious George who

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.400
<v Speaker 2>was like a you know, we got him at a

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:59.359
<v Speaker 2>pound and he was a half Schnauzer half poodle and yeah,

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 2>his name was here is George.

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So to your parents are working people. My parents were

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>working people. My dad worked really hard. That's probably like

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.839
<v Speaker 1>the one time in my life that we that we

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.800
<v Speaker 1>did have money. But then my dad got really sick.

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 1>He had I was I think my mom had an

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 1>aneurysm when I was probably nine or eight, and she

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 1>almost died.

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.720
<v Speaker 3>And then, you know, that's.

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:27.880
<v Speaker 2>That's my fears. That's how I'm going to go because

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't do anything about that. Yeah, later I almost

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 2>died of a heart attackle six years ago. But the

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:35.320
<v Speaker 2>thing I've always been afraid of is aneurysm or embolism

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 2>because it's like taking time bomb you don't necessarily know about,

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>keeping very deep in your head, and you're just going

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.479
<v Speaker 2>about your dad, what happened in your mind.

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was doing a play called The Mound Builders

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>at like the Burbank Playhouse, and.

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So at this point you're already into acting, yeah, but

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>like not really working working.

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm like doing plays and it's fun.

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I think I was like eight or nine and my

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 1>mom was going with me, and it was during a performance.

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was on stage, but she.

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Started having horrible, horrible, horrible headaches, like so bad. She

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.439
<v Speaker 1>got dizzy. She couldn't stand. She was throwing up. Once

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the play was over, the director put her in. He

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.319
<v Speaker 1>had a Volvo like station wagon volvo, and he put

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole back down and I just remember that somebody

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.839
<v Speaker 1>drove us back to the house and they held her

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 1>head very still the entire time we got to the house.

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:34.280
<v Speaker 1>She took Tyler and all and went to bed very sick,

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 1>but woke up the next day and she felt a

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.959
<v Speaker 1>little funky, but she was like, I'm buying. My dad

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 1>was like no, no, no, You're going to the doctor and

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they did a scan and they were like, we have

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 1>to take you in the surgery immediately. That was on

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Friday the thirteenth. She went into an eight hour surgery

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>on Friday the thirteenth, with the doctor saying ten percent

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>chance of living and if she survives, you know, here

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>is the best case scenario for her. And it was like,

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 1>she's going to be paralyzed, she's not going to be

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:07.760
<v Speaker 1>able to talk. Like it was crazy, Yeah, how old.

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Are you at this point?

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Eight or nine?

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>A lot of information and heartbreak and trauma to have

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to process and yeah put into place, and so essentially,

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 2>even before she heads into surgery, you're prepared for like

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 2>the worst, something bad is going to happen in my mom. Mind,

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you kids, you can't do microscopic surgery like you can today.

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 2>So batman fucking opening up her cranium.

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, So they went.

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>They they opened her up right here, and you know,

0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the big thing was like her eyesight, because the aneurysm

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>was sort of behind an eye. But they did it,

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and and she came into surgery with just one eyebrow paralyzed.

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 2>And I remain that way.

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 1>She would stare at the mirror and work and work.

0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>That eye really rehabilitated her eyebrow. I met your mother.

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 2>She's a wonderful woman, but that really fucking edges it

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.919
<v Speaker 2>up a not yeah, willing ones fucking paralyzed eyebrow back

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>to work. Yeah, No, wonder you keep her around you

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 2>all the time?

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I no, wonder I have, you know, the inner strength

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:13.879
<v Speaker 1>and the will to work comes.

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>So, and then my dad obviously had like by the

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>time my dad passed away, he had had something like

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>eleven strokes and like twelve heart attacks and quintuple bypassed

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 1>heart surgery and on dialysis.

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And I think that was it.

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Fat eating or was it bad genetics.

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 3>And diabetes, just like my dad.

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she took my dad as well. How old was

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:35.360
<v Speaker 2>your dad.

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 1>When he passed away? Sixty seven?

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Maybe truly the same age as my father age sixty seven. Yeah,

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, think about now, how old are you

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 2>when he passed away? Was this before nine or two

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 2>went hour?

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:48.760
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.759
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it was after to see all that

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>he got to see charmed. My dad was my best friend.

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>So I always tell your mom was your best friend.

0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>My dad was my best friend, right, yeah, your mom,

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>you's seck best friend, because.

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean my mom and I were super close.

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:06.879
<v Speaker 1>But like, my dad was my hero. He was my rock.

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He was like everything my dad was. Anytime he went

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital, it was always the most devastating thing

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 1>in the world for me because I was, you know,

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that fear of losing somebody who means that much to you.

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I honestly didn't think I was going to recover when

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>he passed away.

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Who was the one that took you to auditions and stuff?

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 2>What did Dad think about the career?

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 3>He was okay with it.

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean he would get very mad, mad at the

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 1>press and would always say to me, like I told

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you should have been an attorney.

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:40.399
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I know.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:43.759
<v Speaker 2>That that was fucking fixed for it. He's like, you

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 2>should just not be in that horrible business. Nobody writes

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 2>this shit about attorney.

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he wanted me to go to law school.

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I've heard you speak over the years

0:55:56.440 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 2>not just how smart you are, the things you know,

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 2>but also your delivery. You could have easily been a.

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Lawyer, thank you.

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I think so a fucking lawyer.

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, really, really, really had journey.

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I think we all benefited more from you not having

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:14.879
<v Speaker 2>a career in law. But yes, I think you could

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.319
<v Speaker 2>have nailed it. And also it's never too late. That

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 2>being said, he saw Charmed as well.

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did he ever?

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Like my father, my father passed away twenty years ago.

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 2>It just came up on twenty years ago that he

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 2>died this year twenty In June of twenty twenty three

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 2>was twenty years so I loved him to death. He

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 2>was a guy that took me to movies and stuff

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>like that. But my father was also the guy who

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 2>was a bit of the internet before the Internet. So like,

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd come in and I'd be like, oh

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>my god, did you see what the new York Times

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 2>said about the movies, like, yeah, but did you see

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>what the Ledger said? Man? And the Ledger was the

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>shitty one, like the shitty review and not the shitty paper,

0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 2>but like the negative review. And I'm like, well, yes,

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I did see that, and I'm really trying to focus

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>on like the positive one, which also happens to be

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times, which inarguably, you know, most people

0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 2>are more familiar with than the Ledger. I know the

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Ledger is our paper because we're in New Jersey, but still,

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and my father was kind of that not like remember

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 2>in the movie Jerry Maguire, Google Gooding Junior's character had

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that brother. His name was TP Yes, and he's always

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like I told him he's too short to be in

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 2>the NFL stuff, like just always throw them just a little,

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 2>a little jeb I. Honestly, I know my father adored me.

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I know my father was insanely proud of my career.

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think my father was very interested in making

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 2>sure that I.

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Didn't you stayed humble become an asshole, like is what

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:44.520
<v Speaker 1>it comes down to.

0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 2>So as much as he was proud, he would he

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 2>was the voice of and you know in the Clerk's era.

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 2>That was hard because Clerk's was a beloved fucking film, like,

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not saying that with any sort of like

0:57:57.040 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 2>fuck everybody, but it. If I'd known it was going

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to be so beloved, I would have tried harder. But

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I think not trying is what made it what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole world was like, kid, you're a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>wonder kid, genius and ship like that, except for my

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 2>old was like, yeah, no, doesn't think you're so smart kid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's funny because my dad used to always

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<v Speaker 1>say to me that, you know, if you read the

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<v Speaker 1>good reviews, you better read the bad as well. Percent

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<v Speaker 1>keeping they were keeping us humble. They were making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we had humility.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that as being a dude who would

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<v Speaker 2>want to beat up everybody who wrote about you or

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the people that you ran with. Would you? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>get lectured a lot? Like you shouldn't hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>this one, that one or that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like at some point when I was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no lecturing me because I really thought that

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what I was doing.

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Unlus you had like the job to back it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was hanging out with kind of a bad crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was I think right in the beginning of

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.240
<v Speaker 1>it or right before, and you were on in your

0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like eighteen eighteen nineteen kids, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast, like Iro Ensuring was one hundred and eight. I

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<v Speaker 2>think when he was on he was a grown ass man.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest. So was what so was? Weren't they all? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>That was always the joke. These kids are like in

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 2>their fucking mid thirties. But you were young?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not really, I mean Brian was, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was the youngest.

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. I bought the house right next to his,

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.919
<v Speaker 2>which used to be I bought the house. The house

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 2>was sold to me by Ben Afflecks. His house he

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 2>lived right next door to Brian Austin Green when he

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:37.280
<v Speaker 2>was mostly with with Megan Megan, I think, but he

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 2>had like a studio in the house next door and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the beginning when I first so whild I've

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>thought about this in years. When I first moved into

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that house, like every once in a while I would

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>see bag you know, out in the earth that's what

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>they called them back day.

0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 3>That's what he's under in my phone.

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I was never close enough to call on that and

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:56.960
<v Speaker 2>he probably doesn't even remember living next to me. But like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was somebody who watched nine O two

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<v Speaker 2>one o long and not just like, oh, I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the business and not like that show. I was an

1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 2>outsider with no hope of ever being in the business

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<v Speaker 2>who watched that show. So working with Shannon and then

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:17.720
<v Speaker 2>eventually like being like, oh my god, my neighbors is Brian,

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.880
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, fucking it was wild. He

1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.200
<v Speaker 2>was a wonderful, wild adjustment. But he was always a

1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:25.600
<v Speaker 2>nice guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian is Brian is awesome. He's really I left him

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<v Speaker 1>to death. And actually, do you talk to any of

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<v Speaker 1>the other kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I speak to almost all of them, really

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes yep.

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<v Speaker 3>TA to Toy against.

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<v Speaker 2>Tory in a fucking TBS show that during COVID during

1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the lockdown, TBS did the show called Celebrity Show Off.

1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Tory and her family was one of the competing contestants.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you do on that?

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<v Speaker 2>It wound up being me and Tory at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>really and then Toy won. Now he asked me, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were rob or whatever. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a pink belt that I really would have cherished and

1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:08.680
<v Speaker 2>ship she won it. But oh my god, bro, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's look one by one. I'm checking the nine O

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<v Speaker 2>two one o kids off.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they live next to.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't work with Luke, but I met Luke late

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<v Speaker 2>in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, didn't you meet Luke and Vancouver also

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<v Speaker 1>when you were shooting That's where I met him.

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<v Speaker 2>Later you were flash and he was there for is

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<v Speaker 2>how I judge people in this business. If a motherfucker

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<v Speaker 2>is willing to come up to you, that's the motherfucker

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<v Speaker 2>worth talking to you. Because I'm not the person that's

1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:42.880
<v Speaker 2>ever going to go up to somebody because I'm always

1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:45.760
<v Speaker 2>like I'm a bother. That person he like literally came

1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:49.040
<v Speaker 2>over and like started this fucking conversation and was so

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:54.000
<v Speaker 2>goddamn lovely and he couldn't have been fucking lovelier. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is right before he did like the Quentin thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He did make it into the Quent once. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was the last thing that he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in and he was so excited. Oh god, yeah,

1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:07.840
<v Speaker 1>because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Must have felt legitimized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, way of it was like me getting cast from

1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Mall Rats, probably more so because it was Quentin. I'm

1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like Marats again, gonna have a big film career, Like

1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I know that for Luke, Like I mean, you know

1:02:23.240 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't want to work with Quentin Tarantino first off?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I.

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<v Speaker 1>For him, it was just I remember he called me

1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:35.760
<v Speaker 1>on the phone and he was like over the moon,

1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:38.200
<v Speaker 1>a static and he was telling me all about his character,

1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:40.280
<v Speaker 1>things that he was going to do and what he

1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 1>was going to try. So I'm I'm really glad that

1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:46.959
<v Speaker 1>he got to do that before he passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever do Simpsons? No, he did. I always

1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.040
<v Speaker 2>think of him as as when he played side show

1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Luke Perry. They called him on the show he was

1:02:55.120 --> 1:03:03.240
<v Speaker 2>like Crusty's cousin the He was absolutely well you guys,

1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:05.240
<v Speaker 2>you guys were tight, and it sounds like you were

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:06.040
<v Speaker 2>tight even after.

1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:06.560
<v Speaker 3>We were tight.

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<v Speaker 1>We became a lot tighter after the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like them on the show? Like like them?

1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Like them?

1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever find them attractive? What does it like

1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:13.720
<v Speaker 2>to kis?

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<v Speaker 1>We had like a little like minor like fleeing attraction,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like actors are so cool they talk about it like

1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that where it's like we had a little thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't. And it's like, that's that's fucking huge, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine anybody else in the world, Like, oh,

1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I had a little thing with fucking looke pair, Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the thing that defined it was like my second

1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't really you know, go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, bro, just looking at you. It is

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<v Speaker 2>so crazy because I just remember watching the fucking show.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very vivid memory of a show out

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<v Speaker 2>one act break where they were playing there was a

1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:56.400
<v Speaker 2>very popular song Don't want to Fall in there, and

1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:58.040
<v Speaker 2>you guys were like at a club and it goes

1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:00.680
<v Speaker 2>out on you the fade out and shit like that. Like,

1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I have very distinct memories of watching that show is

1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.360
<v Speaker 2>culturally very huge and one of the first shows that

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast new episodes in the summer. Yes, we used to

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<v Speaker 2>be a very seasonal world where it's like you watch

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<v Speaker 2>new shows all the way up to time.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, we were doing like thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys shooting and much smart because it actually like

1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:23.160
<v Speaker 2>you guys have brand new ship while everyone else is

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<v Speaker 2>in rerum.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how it became popular.

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<v Speaker 2>That was their Netflix of the day. Like some shows

1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:29.720
<v Speaker 2>go to Netflix it get popular. You guys.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that like you could turn on Fox and

1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:36.280
<v Speaker 1>see brand new episodes of during the summer when everybody

1:04:36.320 --> 1:04:40.160
<v Speaker 1>else was showing reruns is what blew that show up.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all bathing suits shit.

1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:44.240
<v Speaker 1>And it was at the beach club, so everybody was

1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in bathing suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, folks can't see. You're not doing video yet. One

1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>day you will. But folks are just hearing this, not

1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.640
<v Speaker 2>saying this. So what they're not seeing is how like

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<v Speaker 2>fucking insanely great the chann looks good.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, thank you so much, and see you

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<v Speaker 1>for the next episode.