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Speaker 1: doing the Lord's work, The Lord's work. This is a
Speaker 1: podcast about Christ and his good works and the fires.
Speaker 4: If we didn't shift hard praising the Lord.
Speaker 5: I keep trying to do a joke in stand up
Speaker 5: about how it's the fires happened because I'm just like
Speaker 5: so gay and nobody likes it.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear how
Speaker 1: except that one guy in a cool way, so that
Speaker 1: one guy who is on the local news being like,
Speaker 1: why is there those fires? Though I think it's because
Speaker 1: people are gay anyways, that that guy a true hero.
Speaker 1: The Howy Mandel podcast is he has Bill Burro on.
Speaker 1: Seems like it's very standard, you know, comedian interviewing comedian podcast,
Speaker 1: and then Billy Corgan shows up and suddenly Bill Burr's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna fucking do this. Like, rather
Speaker 1: than being like, oh, Billy Corgan, lead singer of the
Speaker 1: Passion Pumpkins, that's cool, he's like, oh Jesus Christ, I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: They have history, and do they ever? It's revealed over
Speaker 1: the course of the interview that there's a suspicion that
Speaker 1: they have the same father that like, Bill Burr's father
Speaker 1: was a traveling salesmill and they pumpkins across the Great Nation,
Speaker 1: and Bill are so funny and mean about it. He's
Speaker 1: just like, do you ever think that maybe, like I had,
Speaker 1: I don't talk about this all the time because I
Speaker 1: don't want to. But Howie Mandel is a complete He's
Speaker 1: just like, what what's wrong? I'm just you know, playing
Speaker 1: dumb Billy Corgan seems very uncomfortable. But yeah, it's they
Speaker 1: like they're like, yeah, we think he named us both Bill,
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't like get us mixed up and wouldn't Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait is that like a legit?
Speaker 1: That's the question that everybody asks right away. I've found
Speaker 1: both sid I've found people being like, well, you can
Speaker 1: see on Twitter or you can see on Wikipedia that
Speaker 1: like Billy Corgan's dad is a different name or something
Speaker 1: like that. But it just the way it's played like
Speaker 1: it it feels like a weird if it's a bit.
Speaker 1: It's like Bill the first Bill Burr bit that I've
Speaker 1: ever been like, huh, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like like didn't get that it was a bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well Billy Corgan is one year older than Bill Burr,
Speaker 5: so that's his big.
Speaker 1: Broa dude, hey, big brother. He just immediately started Billy
Speaker 1: Billy Corgan's a big Cubs fan, and he just immediately
Speaker 1: starts shitting on the Cubs, which again, Bill Burr is
Speaker 1: on a roll. I cannot do any wrong in my
Speaker 1: book or are you gonna say, kim.
Speaker 3: Oh, they just need to take a twenty three and
Speaker 3: me just do it.
Speaker 4: I was like, why didn't how we like. I know
Speaker 4: he's like a germaphobe, but just like grab one of
Speaker 4: the mugs they drank out of.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, exactly, do the detective work man. This
Speaker 1: is what you do. You should Okay, you set that
Speaker 1: situation up. Yes, it's uncomfortable. If you were a true
Speaker 1: showman who had learned the lesson of deal or no
Speaker 1: deal and the importance of a big reveal. You have
Speaker 1: a model standing with a briefcase nearby. You say, actually,
Speaker 1: the last time you were both on, I did snag
Speaker 1: your coffee cups and some them to twenty three and meter,
Speaker 1: and in that briefcase I have the answer are you
Speaker 1: or are you not? Brothers? And then you know that
Speaker 1: that's entertainment, baby, that's prestige casting. To quote Anna Josy
Speaker 1: in a way that she's gonna be very mad about.
Speaker 1: But it's that that would have been something. So my
Speaker 1: overall takeaway, I don't know if it's like been factually proven,
Speaker 1: if it's just a suspicion that Bill Burr would just
Speaker 1: rather not like look into her talk about main My
Speaker 1: main takeaway is Howie Mandel is a bigger asshole When
Speaker 1: I was giving him credit for for doing that, But
Speaker 1: that was so funny.
Speaker 4: And it's also like, who has the balls to piss
Speaker 4: off Bill Burr?
Speaker 6: Right, there's no taking it back. I know, there's no
Speaker 6: what taking it back? If you're recording with Bill Burr,
Speaker 6: that's there forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, A lot of people are going to watch this,
Speaker 1: and he knew that and that's probably why he did
Speaker 1: it to launch the Howie Cast or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: his podcast is called. Anyways, Kim, we do like to
Speaker 1: ask our guest, what is something from your search history
Speaker 1: that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Uh? Bath pillows? I like taking bubble baths and my
Speaker 6: neck hurts and I want a pillow, okay.
Speaker 1: And how are we achieving this? Is it with a
Speaker 1: giant sponge?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 6: It's just to fold it up towel that gets really
Speaker 6: wet and then it's just annoying to deal with afterwards,
Speaker 6: and I just want to relax. So I looked up
Speaker 6: just like bath pillows, but they suck.
Speaker 4: So I'm going with.
Speaker 6: A pool toy and I'm just gonna have that one. Yeah,
Speaker 6: keep it whimsical, keep it fun.
Speaker 1: Just like a rolled up That's what said, keep it
Speaker 1: keep it fun, keep it fun. To keep it whimsical,
Speaker 1: keep it fun, keep it that's right. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, like a pool noodle just rolled up cinnabond style,
Speaker 1: you know, it was.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I would be so worried about it
Speaker 4: just bursting out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like you can just get like a
Speaker 5: baby floaty, you know, like a kid's.
Speaker 3: Exactly like, yeah, tub things, You're.
Speaker 1: Still my president, Jack, thank you, And see I'm the
Speaker 1: type of president who can listen to conflicting opinions, but
Speaker 1: then I will send censure you later and cut off
Speaker 1: fun day for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cold bath great, Kim. I can't do baths.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't do because I'm like the tub needs to
Speaker 5: be it's always like not clean enough for me, so
Speaker 5: that I'm thinking about laying in, you know what i mean.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, you can watch it before, you
Speaker 5: can watch it after. But now that's more prep you know,
Speaker 5: so that I'm like not relaxed getting into it. I
Speaker 5: prefer getting into like a shower that's so hot your
Speaker 5: boyfriend thinks something's wrong with you, and then just falling
Speaker 5: asleep standing up right like that is my version of
Speaker 5: relaxing in.
Speaker 3: You had a shower beer.
Speaker 2: A shower what beer?
Speaker 3: A shower beer.
Speaker 4: So if you don't have regular beers, but that sounds amazing.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, extra relaxation right there. You don't do
Speaker 6: in a bathtub because you'll drown and die, But if
Speaker 6: you drink in a shower, you'll just let it all
Speaker 6: go down the dream.
Speaker 5: You sound such like such a wealthy woman right now.
Speaker 5: Shower to bees.
Speaker 4: That's what they don't watch you to have.
Speaker 6: This is my shower champagne, honey, that that we don't serve.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have a specific shower champagne cup. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: I've definitely partaken in shower beers in the past, and
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't need to be beer. You can
Speaker 1: have a nice shower bev. I think I've found that
Speaker 1: the thing that I enjoy about the shower beverage is
Speaker 1: like the contrast between the cold and the heat of
Speaker 1: the shower is kind of thing we discussed a while
Speaker 1: back a reddit. There's a i think an entire subreddit
Speaker 1: about shower oranges.
Speaker 4: Oranges, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1: People who eat oranges in the shower.
Speaker 4: And specifically oranges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like at the time, it kind of made
Speaker 1: sense to me because you just peel. Let the peel
Speaker 1: fall on the ground. But peels are like easy to
Speaker 1: like ap peels for Yeah, they like make it smell good.
Speaker 1: And then you also get that contrast of like cool
Speaker 1: juiciness mixed with hot shower vibes hot shower energy.
Speaker 5: This is what we're coming up with while China is
Speaker 5: doing AI.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we need more shower food options.
Speaker 7: Soup not working soup?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I think I think it needs to be
Speaker 1: cold on hot personally, Like, that's that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Like you don't you would want definitely want a like
Speaker 1: cold Italian sub and not like a hot meatball sub
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 4: Spot shoe.
Speaker 1: Too wide of an opening, you're gonna end up getting soap.
Speaker 3: And yeah in the shower.
Speaker 1: Like hair water is going to be in your gaspot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like something it's like hermitically, like the orange is
Speaker 1: like sealed off and so you know it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like a open open top. You know, there's something
Speaker 1: cool about an orange. Yeahybe we should throw this one
Speaker 1: to AI to see what.
Speaker 3: Try a blue moon and an orange next time I showered?
Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah orange, Yeah, I'll try.
Speaker 3: It warm and flow well as cold.
Speaker 4: Slurpy, a big blue raspberry slurpy.
Speaker 1: But see those have the dome top, so you're you're
Speaker 1: actually not going to get as much hair water risk rewarding.
Speaker 1: I truly think shower slurpy is the answer. Like, that
Speaker 1: is something that I do need to try now. It's
Speaker 1: the cups are a problem. You would need to get
Speaker 1: the hard plastic ones because the paper ones, I feel like,
Speaker 1: are always on the verge of rotting out a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I like, find an old slurpy from earlier that day,
Speaker 1: the paper is starting to feel a little soft and
Speaker 1: old slur like in a car, I leave it in
Speaker 1: the car because I don't want to bring it in
Speaker 1: and let my wife and children see that I've like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyways, I really think shower slurpee is going to
Speaker 1: be a thing. Yes, all right, Andrew. This is the
Speaker 1: episode where we tell people what was trending over the weekend.
Speaker 1: But first we let them get to know us a
Speaker 1: little bit better by telling them something we think is overrated,
Speaker 1: something we think is underrated. Why don't I start us
Speaker 1: off with something I think is overrated. I just heard that.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard this in a while, but I heard
Speaker 1: somebody say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning,
Speaker 1: and in the context of our recent discussion on processed food, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one hits different. I'm gonna say because I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just the go to, you know, exhibit for
Speaker 1: greatest invention. Why did people not have not? I have
Speaker 1: so many knives now, not to brag, but like I
Speaker 1: got sore, I can. I can slice the fuck out
Speaker 1: of bread, and you know, I try to buy loaves
Speaker 1: of bread that are whole. Yeah, like whole ass loaves
Speaker 1: of bread, like a fucking g And I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: so the efficiency not it's not that much more efficient.
Speaker 1: My number of knives, I have my knife drawers overwhelming.
Speaker 1: In many cases. The only way it's scientifically possible to
Speaker 1: have sliced bread that's not like hardened into a series
Speaker 1: of like monoliths is.
Speaker 8: With loads of ultra processed I was gonna say that
Speaker 8: that is probably the the actual innovation of slice bread
Speaker 8: has to be like preservatives.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, they didn't. It's not just somebody thought of
Speaker 1: cutting the bread. It's like somebody invented a chemical that
Speaker 1: you could put on the bread to make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like being like best invention since pre rolled cigarettes
Speaker 1: started taking us to flavor town. All right, I mean
Speaker 1: I get.
Speaker 9: If you don't have the preservatives, you get a feastables
Speaker 9: just mold hold all the way up and down. That's right,
Speaker 9: Dale is the best case scenario, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I I do love a nice
Speaker 1: whole loaf of bread, take it home, put it in
Speaker 1: a a big bag, and usually stays potash for like
Speaker 1: a few days.
Speaker 10: This is crazy.
Speaker 9: My my overrated is eating healthy because I bought myself
Speaker 9: a loaf of wonderbread this last week. Can I just
Speaker 9: tell you, as a grown ass man who is mostly
Speaker 9: spent his recent year and a half, try to eat well, wonderbread.
Speaker 10: Is so good.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking good. It's incredible. It's so wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I was talking you. I tried. I had
Speaker 1: a crustable for the first time the other day, and
Speaker 1: it's basically like wonderbread turned into a hot pocket.
Speaker 10: Crusta ball is It's like a peanut butter jelly inside
Speaker 10: of of like a white bread, a white.
Speaker 1: Bread like strudle, you know, like maybe, yeah, just a
Speaker 1: giant white wonderbread ravioli and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this is the texture of the bread is so pillowy, so.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean I guess it's just like white
Speaker 9: people bow or like right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because it's that it's all the stuff. It's like bleached flour.
Speaker 9: It's a little sweet or a lot sweet in case
Speaker 9: of across the balls, and it's just like a like
Speaker 9: a thing you can kind of hold your hand that
Speaker 9: is like, oh my god. Can I just say I
Speaker 9: did probably see this on a cooking YouTube somewhere, but
Speaker 9: my pro tip for making a sandwich with wonderbread.
Speaker 10: You can't toast in the toaster.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't.
Speaker 9: You can't do this by toasting the toaster, but use
Speaker 9: a skillet to toast only one side of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, just one side in butter, or you're just like
Speaker 1: putting it raw side.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 9: I was not like wiping out my cast iron super efficiently,
Speaker 9: so there was kind of just the residual seasoning of.
Speaker 10: Whatever the fuck. But I didn't add extra fat.
Speaker 9: But basically having one crispy side of the bread and
Speaker 9: one like wonderful hill side so fucking good, my god
Speaker 9: crust outside, which so like it's basically like God inside
Speaker 9: crusty side goes inside crusty. You use that as the
Speaker 9: basis for like your mayonnaise or your you know, mustards
Speaker 9: or whatever normal sandwich, and then so outside you get
Speaker 9: like super super pillowy. But then when your teeth go in,
Speaker 9: you find a crunch in the middle.
Speaker 1: People probably didn't know they were getting one of like
Speaker 1: a point counterpoint crossfire style show today. But my overrated
Speaker 1: as sliced bread, You're underrated is wonderbread? Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: we solved it. I think I think you're right and
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But maybe I just feel like we need
Speaker 1: a better like Exhibit A for great innovations.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's more your part.
Speaker 1: Also all silling to Marcella, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated?
Speaker 11: Underrated? Physical media? We are we need to bring that
Speaker 11: shit back. You got these streamers as we're going to
Speaker 11: just hopefully discuss later. These streamers are going south pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think it's time. If you guys have like a
Speaker 11: favorite DVD, I mean a favorite movie, it's time to
Speaker 11: get it on DVD. It's time to buy a little
Speaker 11: DVD player. Start supporting your second hand thrift stores, buy
Speaker 11: some DVDs, get off of the You can create, first
Speaker 11: of all, two b's free, but you can create your
Speaker 11: own two B in your household. So I want to
Speaker 11: encourage everyone to get behind the physical media. Go to
Speaker 11: a local show, Go buy someone's CD, Go buy someone's DVD.
Speaker 11: Come on, y'all, what are we doing.
Speaker 1: Go buy some streams, Go buy.
Speaker 11: Some physical ship and support local art or or like
Speaker 11: the Witch. You know the movie The Witches. I don't
Speaker 11: know if it's not it's I haven't been able to
Speaker 11: find it on streaming, and I was like, I think
Speaker 11: I'm going to try to look for this on DVD.
Speaker 11: The old one, the Angelica Houston one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where they turned the kids into mic It's creepy kids.
Speaker 1: I forget. Exactly is a creepy yes me out, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 11: You're thinking of trauma, your nightmares? Yeah, all we all
Speaker 11: are memories of the Witches. Is just a nightmare. I
Speaker 11: think that's not how the movie went, but scare the
Speaker 11: funk out of me. But I was like, it's hard
Speaker 11: to find it on streamer. It's only available sometimes. And
Speaker 11: I was like, I want to get I'm I'm been
Speaker 11: so I've been trying to without buying it brand new.
Speaker 11: But that's I think that might be impossible at this point,
Speaker 11: but they're not.
Speaker 7: They're churning them out. Yeah, so film just that film.
Speaker 11: Yeah, physical media, that's what's underrated to me.
Speaker 1: It just remade that movie. I think it was somebody
Speaker 1: just remade that movie and it apparently suck.
Speaker 10: Ship.
Speaker 11: It wasn't good. Yeah, it was with Anne Hathaway. It
Speaker 11: wasn't it wasn't bad, like it wasn't my nieces. My
Speaker 11: nieces enjoyed it, you know, but it's definitely not the
Speaker 11: terror that we experienced in the eighties.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but we were so because.
Speaker 11: There was no regulating back then. You know, children's movies
Speaker 11: and the and the rating system were so different. I know,
Speaker 11: never will.
Speaker 1: Never bad original Witches is like this is too much
Speaker 1: like that. That was the the response that you wanted from.
Speaker 7: We got to regulate these witches.
Speaker 11: That's how it started in Salem, and that's how it
Speaker 11: started in the DVD Blu Ray that's collections.
Speaker 1: Marcella. What is something you think is what? Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: something you think is over rated?
Speaker 11: Well, I think I think I think what I'm sure
Speaker 11: you've talked about this with that people, but the national news.
Speaker 11: MM have you ever talked about that as an overrated
Speaker 11: national news Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ever heard of it? This podcast are big fans. We
Speaker 1: just kind of go to CNN dot com, We go
Speaker 1: to the New York Times, We tell you what's on
Speaker 1: the front page, and say, how do you do?
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's going to be talk about oils and shell
Speaker 11: gift cards and.
Speaker 1: VP is investing in the future.
Speaker 11: I just want I love that people do that. This
Speaker 11: podcast is such a great example of supporting like small
Speaker 11: news sources, but also like guys again, local news your
Speaker 11: your little Samsung or Apple Tea every Actually I don't
Speaker 11: know about Apple, but they have a lot of local
Speaker 11: news station streaming, and I wish more people were more
Speaker 11: interacted with their local news, just similar to physical media,
Speaker 11: you know, like get your stop taking your news and
Speaker 11: large doses from social media and national news take it
Speaker 11: in smaller doses like first thing in the morning, like
Speaker 11: when you turn on the news and Mike Kaplan giving
Speaker 11: you the weather and he's so charming, and then you
Speaker 11: fucking get some of those terrible bad news.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like also bad, I'm going to differ.
Speaker 1: I'm it's different though, and yeah, it's a different bad
Speaker 1: but it's like that here's another here's just a fucking
Speaker 1: feed feedbag of crimes that are gonna make you scared
Speaker 1: of the people around you.
Speaker 11: Sure that's true, But at what I'm specifically encouraging is
Speaker 11: finding the local news station that has a good rapport
Speaker 11: with each other and really support local shit going on
Speaker 11: and not just local crime and local.
Speaker 1: Bad news, local papers and ship Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, shit, that's like that is actually uplifting. So I
Speaker 11: agree with you on to a point, because some local
Speaker 11: news is like really just like nobody likes each other.
Speaker 11: You can tell they all hate working with each other.
Speaker 11: It's not fun to watch. There's like one here that
Speaker 11: I really enjoy watching in Chicago, and it's like they
Speaker 11: really they have like Orange Friday during the football season,
Speaker 11: you know, and they like show pictures of people and
Speaker 11: their little orange gear and it's really cute and I
Speaker 11: like it because it's like it's a cute way to
Speaker 11: start the day. This morning was the fucking god awful news,
Speaker 11: but whatever. I was like, oh, not starting my day
Speaker 11: with this, I'm gonna I do national lose a little
Speaker 11: later in the morning. Yeah, Like, local news is like
Speaker 11: nice to get the weather without having like why am
Speaker 11: I checking my app every morning for the weather? Like,
Speaker 11: let me have like a sweet pie, old.
Speaker 1: Man, give me the weather pie. You know. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is like that is one of the nice things about
Speaker 1: the national news. Before it was like, you know, bought
Speaker 1: by fucking sink media. Yeah, one copy, but like there
Speaker 1: is still a feeling when you tune into some of
Speaker 1: it that like you're tuning into just like a small
Speaker 1: work like a small business workplace and they have their
Speaker 1: own like weird fun work culture, and like some of
Speaker 1: the people who work there who you're seeing are like
Speaker 1: the quirky guy and yeah, you know, like they just
Speaker 1: have to like these little poles.
Speaker 11: They do like little poles and it's really cute. And
Speaker 11: then they all like have banter with the weather guy
Speaker 11: on the on the traffic girl and the the person
Speaker 11: doing this little segment and they all banter back and forth,
Speaker 11: and I'm just like, I like that they're reminding people
Speaker 11: that it's okay to have these conversations naturally at work
Speaker 11: or with whoever. And they're just certain news like and
Speaker 11: I think because it's Chicago, because they are everybody here
Speaker 11: is so accustomed to supporting local shit that it really
Speaker 11: has taken that particular news station like just made it it,
Speaker 11: taken it up a notch and made it more fun
Speaker 11: and sweet to watch. And also, like the local news,
Speaker 11: they want their community on there, you know, and they
Speaker 11: want people to reach out and I like that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just about what's orange Fridays. That's so
Speaker 1: funny as hell? That is you as hell? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: your mouth. I'm sorry, and I apologize. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk about some news,
Speaker 1: and we're back. And so, Emily, you are a lawyer
Speaker 1: who understands how all of these various things that you
Speaker 1: know understood when Project twenty twenty five was released, like
Speaker 1: what the implications of all these various things mean. And
Speaker 1: now the executive orders have been issued, the pens have
Speaker 1: been thrown into a cheering crowd like their fucking Lebron's armbands.
Speaker 1: But just to like start not to go again, like
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work with me here and just
Speaker 1: pretend this is gonna be hard for you. Pretend that
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot who doesn't know exactly what executive orders are,
Speaker 1: how they work. Just for one hundred miles up, what
Speaker 1: what are these executive orders that and like we've been
Speaker 1: told there are limits, and like that's why Biden and
Speaker 1: you know other Democrats weren't using them. And yet Trump
Speaker 1: came and like just dropped, flooded the zone with bullshit,
Speaker 1: flooded the zone with executive orders. And now it seems
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of action happening as a result
Speaker 1: of the executive orders. So just like trying to find
Speaker 1: the answer in all that madness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think first of all, we can start
Speaker 2: off with one thing that I think you're not an
Speaker 2: idiot if you don't know this. A lot of people
Speaker 2: don't know this, that an executive order is not the
Speaker 2: same as a law passed by Congress.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 2: An executive order does have some legal force, but it's
Speaker 2: basically a thing that the President said the executive branch
Speaker 2: is going to do. And the president only has the
Speaker 2: ability to direct certain people in agencies. So anything that's
Speaker 2: under the executive branch of our government, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff because all those big administrative agencies that you
Speaker 2: hear about, or the Department of Justice, the Department of Health,
Speaker 2: the Department of the Department of Transportation. He can direct
Speaker 2: all of those agencies about how they're going to function,
Speaker 2: what policies they're going to use, how they're going to
Speaker 2: hire and fire. Like he can do a lot of
Speaker 2: that direction through these executive orders. He cannot, though, do
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that he's trying. Me he's
Speaker 2: kind of treating executive orders like a magic wand or
Speaker 2: a genie in a bottle, like trying to who erase
Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment on Martin Luther King Junior day, Like
Speaker 2: that's what he's trying to do with some of these orders,
Speaker 2: and you can't. There's a reason that order got stopped
Speaker 2: in its tracks about fifteen minutes after it left his desk,
Speaker 2: because there are limits to what executive orders can do.
Speaker 2: That being said, there's also a lot of avenues which
Speaker 2: agencies have a ton of power. So how he directs
Speaker 2: ICE to perform immigration enforcement, for example, or how he
Speaker 2: directs other agencies to address drug prices, or how he
Speaker 2: you know, directs environmental policy, all of that can be
Speaker 2: impacted by executive orders.
Speaker 10: Got it.
Speaker 1: And so the idea that like Biden could be because
Speaker 1: like so that there's looking at the past presidential terms
Speaker 1: that have used executive orders. I think in late December
Speaker 1: Biden had issued about one hundred and sixty. Trump during
Speaker 1: his first full term did two hundred and twenty. FDR
Speaker 1: did three thousand, seven hundred and twenty one, which I
Speaker 1: guess he was president for a number of years, but
Speaker 1: that's still it's still a lot. So it seems like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I had just always heard, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna like use executive orders because of it's
Speaker 1: set a bad, bad precedent and ultimately, like you know,
Speaker 1: could be overturned. But it feels, you know, as as
Speaker 1: somebody who's not a fan of these particular executive orders,
Speaker 1: like they're I don't know, like when when you're a
Speaker 1: sports fan and the other team does the thing you
Speaker 1: don't want them to do, that's usually the right thing,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, that that makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Therefore that's probably the the they're thing. They're doing the
Speaker 1: thing that like we're everybody like wishes they weren't doing,
Speaker 1: which the way that the government currently runs seems like
Speaker 1: is the correct way for them to do all the
Speaker 1: authoritarianism that they have in mind. So I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just curious to hear, like, what what do you think
Speaker 1: of this? Strategy like throwing a bunch of these at
Speaker 1: the wall and some of them being outside the purview
Speaker 1: of like a normal executive order and some of them
Speaker 1: being just like making a statement essentially. Do you think
Speaker 1: that that is going to work? Do you think that
Speaker 1: do you wish that more progressive presidential if you can
Speaker 1: imagine a more progressive presidential administration than this one, that
Speaker 1: more progressive presidential administrations like we should be wanting them
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: So we're at this really difficult crossroads, right, which is that,
Speaker 2: first of all, the idea that Donald Trump would not
Speaker 2: do something because Biden refrained from doing it is hilarious
Speaker 2: to me, like, oh, we wouldn't want to set a
Speaker 2: bad president because clearly if we don't do the bad thing,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will also not do the bad thing.
Speaker 11: He's gonna do.
Speaker 2: He's gonna if you put a button in front of me,
Speaker 2: he's gonna push it. He's gonna push the button until
Speaker 2: the button breaks.
Speaker 10: But also not just Donald Trump, like Mitch McConnell, Nut Gingrich, Yes,
Speaker 10: every Republican leader since I've been alive and I'm pretty old, right,
Speaker 10: it is just the weird that it's it's to me,
Speaker 10: it's so weirdly willful. It's like, oh, we wouldn't want this,
Speaker 10: wouldn't want to break this norm against the team that
Speaker 10: only breaks norms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that has absolutely no compunction about breaking norms and
Speaker 1: in fact seems to do it for fun.
Speaker 2: Well, they've also realized something, which is that whether something
Speaker 2: works has nothing to do with whether it is supposed
Speaker 2: to work or legally structured to work. It has everything
Speaker 2: to do with whether you can get people to change
Speaker 2: their behavior based on what you're doing. Like if an
Speaker 2: executive order is issued that's not supposed to work at all,
Speaker 2: but people take action based on it, nobody stops them,
Speaker 2: Like then it worked. So I think there's a certain
Speaker 2: amount of like just try and stuff that we see
Speaker 2: now and we're going to see continually for the next
Speaker 2: several years. I think Democrats could absolutely benefit for more
Speaker 2: just try and stuff. I mean, obviously I don't condone
Speaker 2: trying to erase a constitutional amendment by FIAT. It's very
Speaker 2: silly and no one should do that. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I think there is a certain amount of
Speaker 2: creativity and a certain amount of precedent breaking activity that
Speaker 2: is appropriate. I think we were not designed to live
Speaker 2: in a you know this, This government was not designed
Speaker 2: to be fully static and frozen in the past. Don't
Speaker 2: tell Clarence Thomas, he would absolutely tell you it's frozen
Speaker 2: in the past. But in general, like evolution and trying
Speaker 2: new stuff is good and probably Democrats could do more
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean FDR like there is some stuff
Speaker 1: going on in his during the time that he was president,
Speaker 1: I think, right, I have that, right, he yeah, he had,
Speaker 1: there is some stuff and he you know, he was
Speaker 1: willing to just up there working things out, trying things out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, is this something?
Speaker 11: Is it?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: What about there? And twenty one?
Speaker 9: Not to be a completely left wing lunatic, but I
Speaker 9: will just point out that it does a little bit
Speaker 9: at this point seem like the Democrats did govern the
Speaker 9: way they wanted to. And it's not a matter of
Speaker 9: not trying stuff, it's that they didn't want to try
Speaker 9: that stuff, right, the big d Democrats are not interested
Speaker 9: in those good things. Yeah, it seems to me as
Speaker 9: an idiot, me a complete idiot, it would seem that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean these ideas were raised, they did not
Speaker 1: happen over the past four years. At times when a
Speaker 1: lot of unprecedented ship was happening. That bad stuff, not
Speaker 1: unprecedentedly fun good stuff. Let's talk about just the the
Speaker 1: you know, the executive actions that are jumping out to you,
Speaker 1: Emily as somebody who's kind of following this. I actually
Speaker 1: don't know if all of these are executive orders, but
Speaker 1: these are the ones that have kind of popped, have really.
Speaker 10: Popped for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm getting Hollywood executive here, but
Speaker 1: so we have the mass raids on undocumented people in
Speaker 1: the US and their families, which that that is an
Speaker 1: executive order, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, directing ICE, directing ICE enforcement.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Scrapping cancer research is that.
Speaker 2: That had to do a lot with freezing the NIH
Speaker 2: and freezing funding, hiring, firing, the purchasing of supplies for research,
Speaker 2: which resulted in a lot of labs having to let
Speaker 2: people go stop their research they don't have personnel or supplies,
Speaker 2: Like you can't do major medical research without money.
Speaker 10: Sure.
Speaker 2: And what's really terrible is that by interrupting a lot
Speaker 2: of the work of these labs, we're setting that research back.
Speaker 2: It's not like a lot of this work can just
Speaker 2: be sort of like picked right back up where you
Speaker 2: left off. Six months from now, and it's not just cancer,
Speaker 2: it's Alzheimer's research. It's like a huge quantity of research
Speaker 2: that makes the United States a valuable place to be
Speaker 2: because of its medical advancement capacity. Yeah, we just threw
Speaker 2: that in the trash and lit it on fire.
Speaker 1: What is the not that I think there's great reasoning
Speaker 1: behind any of this shit, but I am confused how
Speaker 1: that even ties into any agenda or like any set
Speaker 1: of you know, politics, like any political posturing is like
Speaker 1: we actually think we should.
Speaker 2: See we hang out with any mega people lately, because
Speaker 2: I mean, what I hear a lot of is that
Speaker 2: they believe that all of these researchers are like it
Speaker 2: all comes back to Fauci and it's all corrupt and
Speaker 2: it's training the swamp, and we're like, I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody's given a lot of critical thought to what if
Speaker 2: what if the researchers are not secretly corrupt oligarchs, but
Speaker 2: what if they actually are people who are poised to
Speaker 2: save lives, perhaps lives within your family sometime in the
Speaker 2: next few years, if we let them. I think there's
Speaker 2: just this huge perception of corruption in the medical community,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure where that comes from. Certainly I
Speaker 2: could talk about it in context related to medicine and
Speaker 2: health insurance, but yeah, when it comes to like hating
Speaker 2: on cancer researchers, I don't get it. But it's a
Speaker 2: thing that the MAGA folks seem to do.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, okay, honestly, And that's the kind of toughest
Speaker 9: thing is like all this data is going to be
Speaker 9: so entangled with our shitty healthcare system that it's not
Speaker 9: even even going to be clear that as a direct
Speaker 9: outcome of this, like life expectancy or health outcomes are
Speaker 9: worse in the United States because they're already so much
Speaker 9: worse than the rest of the like you know, equivalently
Speaker 9: rich world, that like we're never going to be able
Speaker 9: to prove prove until, like I said this yesterday, until
Speaker 9: Polio's back, but like even then, with.
Speaker 1: Any of this shit, I feel like we're in a
Speaker 1: really bad position to make those cases because of how the.
Speaker 10: Media general healthcare system, how.
Speaker 1: Bad a general healthcare is. But just all of like
Speaker 1: them very disappointed in the New York Times.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's hard to prove a negative, but
Speaker 2: if the New York Times wanted to and I'm with
Speaker 2: you that they don't want to at all, Right, I mean,
Speaker 2: you could look at over the next few years, how
Speaker 2: many new pharmaceuticals are patented, how many new treatments medical devices, like.
Speaker 2: You could look at patents. You could look at drugs
Speaker 2: hitting the market. You could look at requests for FDA approval,
Speaker 2: you could look at all you could look at new
Speaker 2: techniques being published in medical journals. You could look at
Speaker 2: the rate at which US researchers are publishing generally. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's all of these metrics that we expect to see
Speaker 2: slow down when you defund medical research.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the other ones I have pulling the US
Speaker 1: out of the World Health Organization recognizing only two genders,
Speaker 1: turning DEI into like not not just removing funding for DEI,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, saying that people need to report
Speaker 1: anyone they see doing a DEI. I guess is the idea.
Speaker 1: By the way, I did hear somebody pointed out that
Speaker 1: roy Cone came from McCarthyism, So like that like roy
Speaker 1: Cone was worked and like learned under McCarthy. So it
Speaker 1: does make sense that there's this like direct line from
Speaker 1: McCarthyism too.
Speaker 2: Trump, Well, it's not just in the federal government. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of people are talking about that EO,
Speaker 2: Like it's just amongst federal employees, right, like, if the
Speaker 2: guy at the cubicle nextsu is seeming a little too diverse,
Speaker 2: you better report. But it's also giving these agencies a
Speaker 2: directive to select up to nine entities in the private
Speaker 2: sector that they would like to investigate for compliance. So
Speaker 2: it's also poising the federal government to engage in. And
Speaker 2: we're already seeing the impact in like cowardly big companies
Speaker 2: scrubbing any mention of diversity and ending any diversity programs,
Speaker 2: and less cowardly companies refusing to do so, which is
Speaker 2: kind of cool to see, but it's McCarthyism writ large
Speaker 2: in the DEI context.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Also we're going to see that in the immigration context,
Speaker 2: with like pressure to turn people over and compliance pressures
Speaker 2: of all kinds. So yeah, they're absolutely trying to create
Speaker 2: a society in which people are afraid of their neighbors
Speaker 2: and afraid to be snitched on by their colleagues.
Speaker 1: For being too diverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a person's way
Speaker 1: too into diversity.
Speaker 10: It's like, actually, like I'm I am curious this speed
Speaker 10: for which this will have repercussions. I mean, the immigration
Speaker 10: thing is like if that actually happened, would actually tank
Speaker 10: the agricultural industry. So like, you know, if the Trump
Speaker 10: people were mad at the price of eggs, then like
Speaker 10: what the fuck is I'm just like curious, like if
Speaker 10: anything will ever.
Speaker 2: I'm in California. There's We're on our local news. We're
Speaker 2: seeing like fruit sitting in the fields. It's orange season,
Speaker 2: like nothing, like. Yeah, it's understandable. It's especially understandable because
Speaker 2: when you're not inside a building, you don't have the
Speaker 2: same Fourth Amendment protections. It's actually a huge issue. We see,
Speaker 2: for example, unhoused people don't have the same rights against
Speaker 2: search and seizure because they don't have a home which
Speaker 2: someone would need a warrant to enter, so they don't
Speaker 2: get this particular constitutional protection. If you're in a field, again,
Speaker 2: ice can come up and go after anybody they want.
Speaker 2: There's no structure that they would need a judge to
Speaker 2: give them permission to enter. So agricultural jobs are particularly vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and we as a country are particularly vulnerable to like
Speaker 2: not having food we can afford as a result.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean it's just the unintended
Speaker 10: or yeah, well the food like disaster would be an
Speaker 10: unintended even for them consequence of like you know, enforcing
Speaker 10: immigration in the way they want to enforce it. I'm
Speaker 10: just curious, like, what the fuck will actually happen?
Speaker 2: How could it be unintended? I mean that's a question
Speaker 2: I have, is like, it's the most foreseeable possible, the.
Speaker 1: Very first thing everybody is like, hey, so I know
Speaker 1: you only understand profitability, just a quick FYI hear on that.
Speaker 10: I mean, I guess might the speculation would be it
Speaker 10: just creates an even more scared or like oppressed class
Speaker 10: of undocumented worker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the idea of that they talk about
Speaker 1: a lot that like, yeah, you know, people criticize how
Speaker 1: expensive this is going to be, but it's gonna lead
Speaker 1: to like a lot of like self deportation, and you
Speaker 1: know that what that usually means is that people just
Speaker 1: don't can't work because when you like show up to work,
Speaker 1: then like you're you know, putting yourself in a position
Speaker 1: to be taken in. But so that's yeah, it just
Speaker 1: it feels like that is going to be a first
Speaker 1: like it's not going to be a down the road thing.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing that is going like based on
Speaker 1: the things that we're already seeing of you know, these
Speaker 1: like raids. The doctor Phil is live streaming. We're going
Speaker 1: to see the results immediately, because nobody's gonna want to
Speaker 1: fucking put themselves in a position to be arrested and like,
Speaker 1: you know, treated cruelly. Yeah, so I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I others reversing climate change, bringing back the death penalty,
Speaker 1: not reversing climate change, reversing climate change actions and declaring
Speaker 1: and the emergency is actually how little gas we're pulling
Speaker 1: out of the ground. These are all things that I
Speaker 1: had identified as like, man, the executive orders seem to
Speaker 1: work in this case in the worst way possible. Like
Speaker 1: what is there Are there any of these that you're
Speaker 1: like that that one is actually going to be challenged
Speaker 1: and easy to overturn before it does too much damage?
Speaker 1: Or is this all just kind of fore alarm fire territory?
Speaker 2: So I'm really interested to see what happens because a
Speaker 2: lot of people like to act like the law is
Speaker 2: a real thing and you know, the law will save us.
Speaker 2: The law doesn't support this, and the law, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the law is just a bunch of humans in rooms
Speaker 2: like some of the humans get to wear a special
Speaker 2: dress and sit up higher. But which human these cases
Speaker 2: are broad in front of will matter a great deal
Speaker 2: because Trump worked very hard during his last term to
Speaker 2: put a lot of judges in place who are heavily
Speaker 2: aligned with the ideology we see in Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: In the past, we saw a judiciary which took their
Speaker 2: responsibility as neutral arbiters way more seriously, and they would
Speaker 2: have been like, really embarrassed to do something nakedly partisan.
Speaker 2: That cultural safeguard is gone, and I don't think we
Speaker 2: realized the degree to which it was a cultural norm,
Speaker 2: a cultural safeguard holding the judiciary in a neutral position.
Speaker 2: It's toast. So some of these I will point out,
Speaker 2: you know, the death penalty one is terrible for innumerable reasons. One,
Speaker 2: Generally Americans don't support the death penalty anymore, So this
Speaker 2: isn't really beating any voters that are demanding this.
Speaker 11: Two, we get it.
Speaker 4: Wrong a lot.
Speaker 2: It's her reversible. Three this EO contains all of these
Speaker 2: eos contain ways for the government to reach more deeply
Speaker 2: into the lives and actions of private actors and the state.
Speaker 2: So here this EO is directing the federal government to
Speaker 2: try to exert more control over state and local prosecutors
Speaker 2: and ags. Here's why that's a big deal in the
Speaker 2: federal system. Joe Biden, to his credit, commuted the sentences
Speaker 2: of everyone who's on federal death row. So Donald Trump
Speaker 2: doesn't have anybody he can kill right now, as much
Speaker 2: as he would like to.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and.
Speaker 2: Good on President Biden for doing that. Eighty seven percent, roughly,
Speaker 2: that's excess, probably an old stad, but over eighty five
Speaker 2: percent of people in prison are there on state and
Speaker 2: local cases, so you can see that, like, the federal
Speaker 2: government only comprises a very small minority of people who
Speaker 2: are impacted by criminal justice decisions generally. So what does
Speaker 2: this executive order do. It pushes the federal government to
Speaker 2: start going after the folks who actually control use of
Speaker 2: the death penalty, who are state ags and state and
Speaker 2: local prosecutors. And that bothers me for many reasons, one
Speaker 2: of which is it's completely contrary to the omnipresent states
Speaker 2: rights argument that we hear all the time that like,
Speaker 2: local people should decide what's right in their locality. Oh,
Speaker 2: unless in your locality you don't want the government to
Speaker 2: kill people, in which case you don't get to decide
Speaker 2: what's right for your locality. Your judgment is subsumed by
Speaker 2: a huge and empowered federal government. I thought we did
Speaker 2: like big government. No, no, no, we like big government
Speaker 2: when it's making the government kill people. So's that's where
Speaker 2: we are on this.
Speaker 1: Yes, not great, And your point about it being unpopular,
Speaker 1: like that, that was the thing. Just alec Herricktsanas had
Speaker 1: a thread on Twitter this weekend just about this New
Speaker 1: York Times article from last week titled support for Trump's
Speaker 1: policies exceeds support for Trump. And this feels like it's
Speaker 1: the way I'm seeing a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: New York Times and like in that world respond where
Speaker 1: they're like people might not like the man but approve,
Speaker 1: you know, they might think his methods are too harsh,
Speaker 1: but he's getting things done, and it's like in line
Speaker 1: with their And I think what they're referring to is
Speaker 1: like a very specifically worded question that suggests that they
Speaker 1: want people who are undocumented deport it. But there's also
Speaker 1: like three questions they're just worded slightly differently that suggests
Speaker 1: that there's actually a super majority of people who don't
Speaker 1: who don't want that, but they I don't know, there
Speaker 1: just seems to be that an urge to like be
Speaker 1: like what he's doing is like not that out of
Speaker 1: line with like what people want, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's true, And like, why again, they're only focusing on
Speaker 1: like two of these executive orders, two of these policies.
Speaker 1: They're like really having to work hard with the polling
Speaker 1: and the wording of the polling to like make it
Speaker 1: seem like people are in support of these policies. And
Speaker 1: then they're also ignoring like the huge swaths of these
Speaker 1: executive orders that are wildly unpopular for their cruelty.
Speaker 2: And so this is so I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 2: this up, because so when we look at Project twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, there's a couple of like big themes that emerge.
Speaker 2: One is that they're very terrified of boyfriends, and they
Speaker 2: think there's nothing more terrible than a mom, a single mom,
Speaker 2: having a boyfriend. There's a whole fun passage I beg
Speaker 2: you to read with just just like control f boyfriend.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In Project twenty twenty five, it's a ride. But beyond
Speaker 2: their fear of boyfriends, they really don't like information. They
Speaker 2: don't like people having any information, and they would rather
Speaker 2: the government not gather any information because if you gather
Speaker 2: any information, people might get a hold of it, because
Speaker 2: governments do have to have a certain level of transparency.
Speaker 2: This goes totally to what you're talking about. The way
Speaker 2: you can create false informational worlds is by limiting the
Speaker 2: amount of information people actually have. Like here you have
Speaker 2: a poll which doesn't reveal to the reader that, oh,
Speaker 2: in like the next three questions, it turns out people
Speaker 2: don't actually like this policy. They just only liked it
Speaker 2: when it was worded a very specific way. And that's
Speaker 2: really the thing about polling, right, is that like the
Speaker 2: answer you get from people depends enormously on how you
Speaker 2: ask them a given question. But in the in the EOS,
Speaker 2: we're seeing a ton of these clauses. In the EOS
Speaker 2: are getting rid of forms of tracking information in government
Speaker 2: so that people will no longer have access to, for example,
Speaker 2: what the demographic makeup of our government even is, or
Speaker 2: of our armed forces, or of you know what. The
Speaker 2: impact of various policies and programs is. Health tracking in particular,
Speaker 2: like how much are we at danger from bird flu
Speaker 2: versus something else. They would really prefer not to collect
Speaker 2: any data, because when you don't collect data, you can
Speaker 2: control people's opinion on policy a lot more through things
Speaker 2: like the framing of the question, because people don't have
Speaker 2: a real informational basis for making decisions. In addition to that,
Speaker 2: there's a whole separate EEO on restricting the government's ability
Speaker 2: to go after misinformation and disinformation because to stop to
Speaker 2: stop misinformation and disinformation would impinge on the free speech
Speaker 2: rights of the people who would like to distribute misinformation,
Speaker 2: Like lest the government stop people from lying to you.
Speaker 2: It's all this theme of like the government no longer
Speaker 2: wants you to have good information underdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that seemed like the whole Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: like statement was all about, like the way in which
Speaker 1: he used like that's like people's opinions and like free speech,
Speaker 1: but he was only talking about like people who support
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's free speech very specific definition of that. It's
Speaker 1: it's very strange, but it's like it's not just the
Speaker 1: tech eos. It feels like the these you know, journalistic
Speaker 1: institutions are just like currently really not up to the
Speaker 1: task of like dealing with what's happening right now there.
Speaker 2: I can't tell if they're into it or scared. I
Speaker 2: can't tell which it is.
Speaker 10: I think they're into it. I think they've had decades
Speaker 10: to not be into it, and they have never showed
Speaker 10: themselves to not be into it. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 10: will say again, I know I keep beating this drum,
Speaker 10: but we are. It feels ever nearer to an actual
Speaker 10: like facts don't care about your feelings, reckoning on just
Speaker 10: like the nature of reality. And I'm just like, I
Speaker 10: know I keep saying it, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 10: the things they believe are largely not true. So like,
Speaker 10: what is it going to be? Just like Made in
Speaker 10: the USA starts to not become the gold standard? Is
Speaker 10: it going to be like you know, fucking like Beijing
Speaker 10: University is where you go instead of Harvard, Like it
Speaker 10: will be something like the rest of the world doesn't
Speaker 10: have to play by these rules and they eventually won't.
Speaker 10: Like what is it going to be? I'm just like,
Speaker 10: I guess, I'm hoped. I hope I'll be alive when
Speaker 10: the fucking other shoe drops on this whole shit.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Sorry, Yeah, I feel like it
Speaker 1: might be sooner than I was expecting prior to a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. But yeah, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's Is there anything Emily that is making you
Speaker 1: hope full besides teachers, which I think is a great example,
Speaker 1: like teachers being willing to fight for their kids, for
Speaker 1: their students, any other places you're seeing hope.
Speaker 2: One thing I would say is that so much of
Speaker 2: this is local, right, Like I've been watching online as
Speaker 2: like finding videos of a local neighborhood watch like scaring
Speaker 2: off ice agents from their neighborhood and schools not letting
Speaker 2: them in, and you know, ordinary people protecting each other.
Speaker 2: I also think that this has the potential for a
Speaker 2: huge informational awakening for Americans in a certain sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, actually, this is so dumb. But do you
Speaker 2: remember when like TikTok was gone for five minutes and
Speaker 2: everybody got on red note Yeah, and suddenly Americans were like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you get fresh groceries for how much
Speaker 2: in China? Amazed like the fantastic Chinese grocery halls Americans
Speaker 2: have managed to become even without a Trump branded isolationism,
Speaker 2: Americans have for decades been deprived of opportunities to really
Speaker 2: get to know the international community, to travel, to learn
Speaker 2: about the world, to expand their horizons. And I think
Speaker 2: that in that moment you describe Andrew of like watching
Speaker 2: China surpass us in renewable energy and get to a
Speaker 2: clean and low cost energy solution while we're still like
Speaker 2: shoveling coal into furnaces. I think that's going to be,
Speaker 2: I hope, a really healthy awakening for Americans. I'm terrified
Speaker 2: on the healthcare front of the number of lives it
Speaker 2: could cost us to learn this particular lesson, But I
Speaker 2: guess I'm placing a lot of my hope in great
Speaker 2: organizations that are willing to put up a fight, in
Speaker 2: ordinary people who are not naturally compliant and steel themselves
Speaker 2: to say no, even agrins. It's really hard to say
Speaker 2: no to somebody who says, look, I have this piece
Speaker 2: of paper that let's be coming to your home. It's
Speaker 2: really hard to say, nah, judge, didn't sign that paper.
Speaker 2: I'm not opening the door. It's hard to do. But
Speaker 2: I have faith in the stubbornness of ordinary Americans, and
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that if we are able to
Speaker 2: emerge from this without falling prey to the informational lockdown.
Speaker 2: If we're able to retain our ability to get information,
Speaker 2: we're going to come out of this a much better society.
Speaker 1: That is the question, right. That's where like it feels
Speaker 1: like things must be like the way I was talking about,
Speaker 1: like it being a sporting thing where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I don't want my opponent
Speaker 1: to do, and they're doing it and that is probably
Speaker 1: smart on their part. Like, that's my question thinking through
Speaker 1: for them is like that's going to be the next
Speaker 1: frontier is like, okay, so how do we stop the information?
Speaker 1: Like and it sounds like they're working on that with
Speaker 1: regards to the studies, but just in terms of the
Speaker 1: day to day social media, I'm sure that you know,
Speaker 1: beyond the TikTok band, I'm sure that's coming too, right.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't this be great? I mean zccer bless Zuckerberg's little
Speaker 2: heart is my college classmate.
Speaker 1: Wow, cool guy, cool guy.
Speaker 2: Actually Facebook is old, like old Facebook's old. Like I
Speaker 2: also think there's a real chance that like we might
Speaker 2: disconnect from our social media addictions in a really different
Speaker 2: way during these next few years.
Speaker 11: That could be really.
Speaker 2: I mean, once you realize that something you've been using
Speaker 2: as a resource to learn about people around you and
Speaker 2: like what's happening in your community is actually just full
Speaker 2: of junk. Yeah yeah, I go on Twitter so much
Speaker 2: less now because it's just like so full of like
Speaker 2: click baity, angerly just coorse. Yeah yeah, exactly. And if
Speaker 2: this disconnects us from that and we go back to
Speaker 2: other forms of informational engagement and information sharing, or we
Speaker 2: create new forms, that'd be great too.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I did want to also say a thing
Speaker 9: about the local, like to sort of tag what you
Speaker 9: were sayingly, like even you know, just like doing a
Speaker 9: small amount of mutual aid carding shit around during the
Speaker 9: fires and I mean the fires are still ongoing, but
Speaker 9: it and just thinking about California. I know I've said
Speaker 9: this on the show closer to when the election was,
Speaker 9: but like, you know, liberal ass California couldn't even outlass slavery.
Speaker 10: So like, there's still plenty of work that you can
Speaker 10: do in your community that will materially move things forward
Speaker 10: and make things better that, however feudal like, and however
Speaker 10: much damage is done, and we're watching the repercussions of
Speaker 10: federal government. You can still fix things, repair stuff, help
Speaker 10: people in a way that is material in your community,
Speaker 10: and you should fucking do it because to do it,
Speaker 10: even though you're helping people, you're doing it for yourself
Speaker 10: because you're going to need all this stuff too.
Speaker 2: There's a really good lever for that that nobody thinks about,
Speaker 2: and I want to put it out there for people
Speaker 2: to consider. All of these culture war things. The way
Speaker 2: they get enforced is through prosecution. That's why Donald Trump
Speaker 2: wants to exert so much control over local prosecutors is
Speaker 2: because a lot of this enactment will have to take
Speaker 2: place in the form of criminal prosecution. Public defenders man
Speaker 2: public defenders are so under considered as a sort of
Speaker 2: last bulwark against totalitarianism. They are the people who are
Speaker 2: fighting against you know, the types of detainers that can
Speaker 2: lead to deportation. They are the people that are often
Speaker 2: first to find out when an individual is in jeopardy
Speaker 2: from their government. They are the people best equipped to
Speaker 2: legally intervene. For many people, a public defender is the
Speaker 2: only lawyer they're going to have in their life. They're
Speaker 2: going to have one lawyer, and it's probably the free lawyer.
Speaker 2: Provided them paid by the government to fight the government,
Speaker 2: and they there's five nine hundred public defender agencies in
Speaker 2: this country. Most of them are like not particularly funded
Speaker 2: or attended to, but ordinary people can go to their
Speaker 2: county Board of Supervisors meeting say hey, how are you
Speaker 2: resourcing my public defender if my family needs a lawyer,
Speaker 2: Like who is that lawyer? And what support are they
Speaker 2: getting and how well are they being paid, and like
Speaker 2: what experts do they have access to and what labs
Speaker 2: are you going to let them use in a serious case.
Speaker 2: I think that it's a moment now for people to
Speaker 2: recognize that public defenders are their counsel and they should
Speaker 2: demand better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you work on that, like that executive
Speaker 1: you're the executive director of Partners for Justice, which sounds
Speaker 1: like that's kind of a focus for you guys, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Most of what we do is we help public defenders
Speaker 2: do more stuff beyond the legal matter, so like recognizing
Speaker 2: that a court case can completely upend a person's life,
Speaker 2: cost them their housing, their job, like access to their kids,
Speaker 2: access to medicine. We basically create really strong interdisciplinary services
Speaker 2: inside public defense. A little bit of mutual aid, a
Speaker 2: little bit of services, you know, a lot of community
Speaker 2: networking so that people can walk away from a case
Speaker 2: with their life as intact as possible. It's very very
Speaker 2: pro safety stuff. A lot of the stuff we address
Speaker 2: our underlying drivers of crime. It's also very decarsoral. We've
Speaker 2: eliminated over five thousand years of incarceration in just a
Speaker 2: few years because it turns out what somebody's doing really
Speaker 2: well in the community, a judge is less likely to
Speaker 2: send them to prison. But I'm talking about more than that,
Speaker 2: like more than just what we do, like the daily litigation.
Speaker 2: Public Defenders is going to protect a lot of people
Speaker 2: who are being prosecuted for putting the wrong book on
Speaker 2: the library shelf, or seeking an abortion or being trans
Speaker 2: I mean the lawyer they're going to have is probably
Speaker 2: a public defender. So even beyond my work, it's a
Speaker 2: great place for people to dedicate their focus.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, And if you're just a citizen talking to
Speaker 10: your government, a great place to find that money is
Speaker 10: in the insane police budget. Just thrown it out there.
Speaker 10: Maybe some of those funds should be taken from the police.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, there's a great study helicopter.
Speaker 1: I don't know a tank.
Speaker 2: There's a great study on what really well, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of great studies and what really creates safety. And actually,
Speaker 2: if anybody cares. On the Partners for Justice website, we
Speaker 2: have a little tab that says evidence, and I gathered
Speaker 2: a ton of these studies there if anybody wants data
Speaker 2: on safety. But there's a wonderful overview we did on
Speaker 2: how environmental design creates safety. And it turns out that
Speaker 2: if you want to lower the homicide rate, you are
Speaker 2: better on off planting trees than hiring more cops.
Speaker 11: I mean some.
Speaker 2: Street lighting trees. And that's not only on homicides. Like
Speaker 2: buildings with more greenery, like more beautifully greened buildings are
Speaker 2: not only less likely to be burglarized, they also have
Speaker 2: less domestic violence inside the building. So all these things
Speaker 2: we could spend money on that might work better, and
Speaker 2: more more subway cops playing candy crush.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know this is not the way the directionality
Speaker 10: window or arrow goes, but also less domestic violence if
Speaker 10: there's fewer cops.
Speaker 1: Right, let's just throw it out. There could be I
Speaker 1: don't I actually don't know if that's the direction that
Speaker 1: the cause.
Speaker 10: Out guys are bad guys.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back. And the Pentagon has decided that Black History
Speaker 1: Months isn't a thing anymore.
Speaker 11: There they that's the joke. It's also I feel like
Speaker 11: some of you need to hear me say that. Good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, their intelligence agencies reportedly paused observances of Pride Month,
Speaker 1: Black History Months, Martin Luther King Junior's Birthday, Holocaust Days
Speaker 1: of Remembrance, Juneteenth, and other annual cultural events due to
Speaker 1: Pete Hagseth's war on wokeness.
Speaker 11: That's terrible.
Speaker 12: Valentine's Day they still have off. They still for Valentine's
Speaker 12: Day to make.
Speaker 11: More babies get their rape on?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 11: Do they think we love their holidays?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 11: Do they think we love Thanksgiving? And Fourth of July?
Speaker 11: Like do they think that we are getting together at
Speaker 11: Thanksgiving dinner? And like what are they doing? I don't
Speaker 11: it's so insane. How like the do you guys not
Speaker 11: want a paid day off?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 11: What the fuck are you fucking talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they are only comfortable when celebrating emotionally distant
Speaker 1: straight white diisgender men. That's that's what we do in
Speaker 1: this country and sometimes they'll allow you know, Santa Claus
Speaker 1: is about as emotionally available as they'll allow.
Speaker 11: Well, that's because that's celebrating capitalism, so right, they can
Speaker 11: understand that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's also I'm very like DEI is being conflated with
Speaker 1: diversity and values that like they're taking this like corporatization
Speaker 1: of the idea of diversity and trying to lump like
Speaker 1: the legacy of Martin Luther King Junior like under that.
Speaker 1: In a way that's like very, very frustrating, and I
Speaker 1: feel like the mainstream media is just going along with
Speaker 1: that and being like, yeah, the war the right is
Speaker 1: winning the war on DBI, like and everything goes under that,
Speaker 1: including people like non white people and not straight people
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 1: Pride Month is like they're they're lumping the under like DEI,
Speaker 1: which was like the corporate world's attempt to be like
Speaker 1: and we're listening, you know.
Speaker 12: Right, It truly doesn't change their lives at all at all,
Speaker 12: at all. It's like Pride Month, it's so fucking loud. Yeah,
Speaker 12: it's just so loud all the time. I can't hear myself.
Speaker 11: Think racist, homophobic thoughts when aphobia so has to cancel
Speaker 11: his big plans for prior to drowned out by me
Speaker 11: thinking about all these men's dicks.
Speaker 1: Right, have you guys heard of Netflix? Do you remember? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So Netflix is that company that used to like mail
Speaker 1: people DVDs. Now so they're now a streamer. And they
Speaker 1: just held their twenty twenty five programming preview, which.
Speaker 11: Aka Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's that. That is weird that they called it that, right, Like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they could have called it anything. They could have
Speaker 7: called it nothing.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they could have just kept their prices where they
Speaker 11: should be a stop giving certain people lots of lots
Speaker 11: of money, right.
Speaker 1: The Hollywood Reporter said that it felt like a defense
Speaker 1: of like that they were like trying to defend themselves
Speaker 1: in a weird way and just being like we're number
Speaker 1: one because they just raise prices and everybody's like kind
Speaker 1: of annoyed.
Speaker 11: Oh oh, I'm canceling my shit. I was like eighteen
Speaker 11: dollars for fucking nothing because that now they don't have
Speaker 11: exclusive shit you see like HBO shit on there, everything's
Speaker 11: on there. We do not need to be on there, guys,
Speaker 11: take a break, give them, give them.
Speaker 1: Give them nothing. Sorry, I think you're gonna want to
Speaker 1: listen to this story.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, these sorts of events are like in general for me,
Speaker 1: the thing about streaming is just like there's this like
Speaker 1: fire hose of expendable content generally, and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you thought that was a lot of stuff you
Speaker 1: won't ultimately remember, check out this, and then just like
Speaker 1: you know, blast you with like even more. There is
Speaker 1: stuff in here that I thought seems interesting. First of all,
Speaker 1: I did love John Mulaney's Everybody's in La, and they're
Speaker 1: bringing that back. Seems expensive, seems expensive, which should be
Speaker 1: that it does seem expensive, But what's fun about the show?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I want something that seems expensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should be the name. Turn that on.
Speaker 11: I go, look at that stage, look at that set,
Speaker 11: Look at these guys. That is money.
Speaker 7: Is that an oak desk? That is some hardwood?
Speaker 1: Okay, God damn. They announce Stayed, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon
Speaker 1: movie called Rip.
Speaker 11: I'm waiting for that, Oh for that them to come
Speaker 11: back together together. When j Lo broke up, I knew
Speaker 11: Matt and Andy we're gonna get back together. Yeah, they
Speaker 11: had to. They always do what every time a woman
Speaker 11: does one of them dirty. They go, you know what
Speaker 11: it's about us? I need you, I need you, broke.
Speaker 7: The need each other, I need them.
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck called it a mix, this movie a mix
Speaker 1: of Heat meets Narc meets Training Day, and I was like,
Speaker 1: one of those is not, like those are two classic movies.
Speaker 1: And then Nark, a movie that I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: was a movie necessarily. I thought it wasn't there like
Speaker 1: a video game in the eighties called Narc.
Speaker 11: I don't know, but I just know that a movie
Speaker 11: is going to be bad when the main actor is
Speaker 11: using the log line as a way to convince you
Speaker 11: to watch it, and it's like, honey, that's not how
Speaker 11: you convince me. That's for the pitch. That's for the deck.
Speaker 7: Out to that log line.
Speaker 12: Actually, I just read it over and over again and
Speaker 12: I do push ups.
Speaker 1: By the way, The reason is because it's direct that
Speaker 1: that is a movie that was directed by the same
Speaker 1: guy who directed this, so he just like trying to
Speaker 1: throw it in like it.
Speaker 11: Was a bunch of fucking losers. Oh my god, get
Speaker 11: on each other dicks. Yeah, just try to challenge each
Speaker 11: other to be better. For the love of fucking God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, all right, So here are the
Speaker 1: ones that jumped out to me that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like people are going to be talking about.
Speaker 11: Tell us why you're going to keep subscribing to eighteen
Speaker 11: dollars a month Netflix, Jack.
Speaker 1: So I'm here to tell you that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I feel like we these will be
Speaker 1: coming up in this year on the daily es. I
Speaker 1: guess like, I feel like they'll crossover. Sponsored by BP
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Speaker 1: Inside So there's a new Knives out, which I don't
Speaker 1: know how you guys feel about the first Knives out.
Speaker 11: First one great, second one semi great. This one can't
Speaker 11: possibly be great.
Speaker 12: This one's guns out the Annie guns out.
Speaker 1: Ever bring a knife to a gun party. The only
Speaker 1: detail that I have on this one because they like
Speaker 1: had a picture of so Dane Craig have.
Speaker 11: Have long he was jerking off to you were jerking on.
Speaker 1: They had one picture they had one picture, but it
Speaker 1: was delicious.
Speaker 11: You got to hear. Sometimes you hear what he's really saying.
Speaker 1: When you hear, you just got to read between the lines.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not wife. There's just no way she's happy.
Speaker 1: H No, No, you suld be correct.
Speaker 7: Neither is mine. I want to say that.
Speaker 1: The unhappy wives clothes. Yes, that's what this podcast.
Speaker 7: That's what it is. God, she's pissed.
Speaker 11: I thought that's what Tom's the girls his wife.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the mousie guy from Challengers is playing someone
Speaker 1: named d Judd do Plentissy, do plan Tissy?
Speaker 11: Who was playing this?
Speaker 1: You know the mouse he guy from Challengers. He's like
Speaker 1: hot mouse. He got the dark haired MOUSEI guy. Anyways,
Speaker 1: it's just do plan Tissy. I was ready to be
Speaker 1: out on this, and then I was like, oh, Daniel
Speaker 1: Craig saying calling someone mister duplantissy is I'm back in.
Speaker 1: Although he does have shaggy hair. Dang o Craig in
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 11: Which are you going to read that line? I'm waiting
Speaker 11: for you to read that line.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he will be do planticitous? Is that
Speaker 1: the line that you were I wonder if he will
Speaker 1: be duplenticitous perfect. Thank you Marcella for encouraging me across
Speaker 1: the finish line of my own joke. Thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you to BP as well. Full Stop Happy Gilmore Too
Speaker 1: is coming? What Yeah, I had no idea. It's from
Speaker 1: Kyle from Alcoholics Sister podcast. This is important. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. I do love a good Sandler and Happy
Speaker 1: Gilmore one a classic. Then all right, so this is
Speaker 1: the one, the two that I think we're really going
Speaker 1: to hear about. Uh, there's a retrospective like Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: documentary that I feel like could be like a you know,
Speaker 1: last dance moment for like Eddie Murray, where like people
Speaker 1: like go back and realize like, oh shit, like he
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome. You know.
Speaker 12: But if Michael Jordan hated basketball, right, but he could
Speaker 12: still be doing it if he wanted to. He just
Speaker 12: doesn't like it. He hates stand up.
Speaker 1: Well a thing or two about why.
Speaker 11: I mean, I do think that what he said to
Speaker 11: or maybe the conversation to him and Jerry Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 11: had on to whatever the two cars and cups getting
Speaker 11: you about. He was like, once you're I don't know
Speaker 11: one of them said it and they but they both agreed,
Speaker 11: and I appreciate it where they're both like, you know,
Speaker 11: once you're rich, you're not funny anymore. And I love
Speaker 11: that because I'm like, I wish Elon Musk could hear that,
Speaker 11: because this motherfucker is striving to be funny and it's like, dude,
Speaker 11: rich people cannot have a sense of humor. It's just
Speaker 11: it doesn't exist in their brains.
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to be funny until the world is over,
Speaker 1: until it chills us all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sponsored by BP.
Speaker 1: And then there's a docu series about the titans that, uh,
Speaker 1: those people trying to go down to the Titanic and imploding.
Speaker 11: Which fucking losers? More losers, give me some this loser
Speaker 11: after loser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eddie Murphy and the guy who went down.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna say it not Eddie Murphy. I'm not gonna
Speaker 11: call Eddie Murphy a loser.
Speaker 1: But anyways, remember little Heights that I think are coming
Speaker 1: coming for all our asses, coming for the Zeitgeist. Oh
Speaker 1: and Guiermo del Toro is making a Frankenstein movie.
Speaker 12: Enough no more monsters. Lo can my little freaks? That's
Speaker 12: Germo del Toro. What can all these little freaks. I
Speaker 12: little fucking weird weird mummy. I think I think he
Speaker 12: keeps him, hiding him, and it's tummy.
Speaker 2: He pulls him out of his belly button.
Speaker 11: Wait, he dreams one up, he pulls it out his
Speaker 11: belly button.
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