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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist in our

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Speaker 2: It's camp winda a aka the carpet matches the drapes

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Speaker 2: because a guy both.

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Speaker 1: That's how it's done.

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Speaker 3: I asked for help for an aka this morning. That

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Speaker 3: was the best to go.

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Speaker 1: That was good. Well, welcome to whoever helped you? Did

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Speaker 1: I say, who helps me? Online? That was on salad

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Speaker 1: shut out to housy on salad in the aka Scord

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Speaker 1: doing the Lord's work, The Lord's work. This is a

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Speaker 1: podcast about Christ and his good works and the fires.

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Speaker 4: If we didn't shift hard praising the Lord.

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Speaker 5: I keep trying to do a joke in stand up

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Speaker 5: about how it's the fires happened because I'm just like

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Speaker 5: so gay and nobody likes it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear how

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Speaker 1: except that one guy in a cool way, so that

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Speaker 1: one guy who is on the local news being like,

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Speaker 1: why is there those fires? Though I think it's because

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Speaker 1: people are gay anyways, that that guy a true hero.

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Speaker 1: The Howy Mandel podcast is he has Bill Burro on.

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Speaker 1: Seems like it's very standard, you know, comedian interviewing comedian podcast,

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Speaker 1: and then Billy Corgan shows up and suddenly Bill Burr's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna fucking do this. Like, rather

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Speaker 1: than being like, oh, Billy Corgan, lead singer of the

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Speaker 1: Passion Pumpkins, that's cool, he's like, oh Jesus Christ, I'm like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: They have history, and do they ever? It's revealed over

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Speaker 1: the course of the interview that there's a suspicion that

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Speaker 1: they have the same father that like, Bill Burr's father

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Speaker 1: was a traveling salesmill and they pumpkins across the Great Nation,

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Speaker 1: and Bill are so funny and mean about it. He's

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Speaker 1: just like, do you ever think that maybe, like I had,

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Speaker 1: I don't talk about this all the time because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to. But Howie Mandel is a complete He's

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Speaker 1: just like, what what's wrong? I'm just you know, playing

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Speaker 1: dumb Billy Corgan seems very uncomfortable. But yeah, it's they

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Speaker 1: like they're like, yeah, we think he named us both Bill,

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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't like get us mixed up and wouldn't Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wait is that like a legit?

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Speaker 1: That's the question that everybody asks right away. I've found

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Speaker 1: both sid I've found people being like, well, you can

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Speaker 1: see on Twitter or you can see on Wikipedia that

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Speaker 1: like Billy Corgan's dad is a different name or something

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Speaker 1: like that. But it just the way it's played like

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Speaker 1: it it feels like a weird if it's a bit.

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Speaker 1: It's like Bill the first Bill Burr bit that I've

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Speaker 1: ever been like, huh, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like like didn't get that it was a bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well Billy Corgan is one year older than Bill Burr,

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Speaker 5: so that's his big.

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Speaker 1: Broa dude, hey, big brother. He just immediately started Billy

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Speaker 1: Billy Corgan's a big Cubs fan, and he just immediately

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Speaker 1: starts shitting on the Cubs, which again, Bill Burr is

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Speaker 1: on a roll. I cannot do any wrong in my

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Speaker 1: book or are you gonna say, kim.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they just need to take a twenty three and

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Speaker 3: me just do it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, why didn't how we like. I know

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Speaker 4: he's like a germaphobe, but just like grab one of

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Speaker 4: the mugs they drank out of.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, exactly, do the detective work man. This

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Speaker 1: is what you do. You should Okay, you set that

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Speaker 1: situation up. Yes, it's uncomfortable. If you were a true

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Speaker 1: showman who had learned the lesson of deal or no

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Speaker 1: deal and the importance of a big reveal. You have

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Speaker 1: a model standing with a briefcase nearby. You say, actually,

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Speaker 1: the last time you were both on, I did snag

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Speaker 1: your coffee cups and some them to twenty three and meter,

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Speaker 1: and in that briefcase I have the answer are you

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Speaker 1: or are you not? Brothers? And then you know that

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Speaker 1: that's entertainment, baby, that's prestige casting. To quote Anna Josy

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Speaker 1: in a way that she's gonna be very mad about.

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Speaker 1: But it's that that would have been something. So my

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Speaker 1: overall takeaway, I don't know if it's like been factually proven,

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Speaker 1: if it's just a suspicion that Bill Burr would just

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Speaker 1: main takeaway is Howie Mandel is a bigger asshole When

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Speaker 1: I was giving him credit for for doing that, But

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Speaker 1: that was so funny.

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Speaker 4: And it's also like, who has the balls to piss

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Speaker 6: Right, there's no taking it back. I know, there's no

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Speaker 6: what taking it back? If you're recording with Bill Burr,

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Speaker 6: that's there forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, A lot of people are going to watch this,

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Speaker 1: and he knew that and that's probably why he did

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Speaker 1: it to launch the Howie Cast or whatever the fuck

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Speaker 1: his podcast is called. Anyways, Kim, we do like to

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Speaker 1: ask our guest, what is something from your search history

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Speaker 1: that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 6: Uh? Bath pillows? I like taking bubble baths and my

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Speaker 6: neck hurts and I want a pillow, okay.

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Speaker 1: And how are we achieving this? Is it with a

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Speaker 1: giant sponge?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 6: It's just to fold it up towel that gets really

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Speaker 6: wet and then it's just annoying to deal with afterwards,

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Speaker 6: and I just want to relax. So I looked up

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Speaker 6: just like bath pillows, but they suck.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going with.

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Speaker 6: A pool toy and I'm just gonna have that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: keep it whimsical, keep it fun.

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Speaker 1: Just like a rolled up That's what said, keep it

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Speaker 1: keep it fun, keep it fun. To keep it whimsical,

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Speaker 1: keep it fun, keep it that's right. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, like a pool noodle just rolled up cinnabond style,

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I would be so worried about it

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Speaker 4: just bursting out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like you can just get like a

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Speaker 5: baby floaty, you know, like a kid's.

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Speaker 3: Exactly like, yeah, tub things, You're.

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Speaker 1: Still my president, Jack, thank you, And see I'm the

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Speaker 1: type of president who can listen to conflicting opinions, but

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Speaker 1: then I will send censure you later and cut off

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Speaker 1: fun day for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cold bath great, Kim. I can't do baths.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't do because I'm like the tub needs to

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Speaker 5: be it's always like not clean enough for me, so

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Speaker 5: that I'm thinking about laying in, you know what i mean.

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Speaker 5: And then I'm like, you can watch it before, you

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Speaker 5: can watch it after. But now that's more prep you know,

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Speaker 5: so that I'm like not relaxed getting into it. I

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Speaker 5: prefer getting into like a shower that's so hot your

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Speaker 5: boyfriend thinks something's wrong with you, and then just falling

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Speaker 5: asleep standing up right like that is my version of

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Speaker 3: You had a shower beer.

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Speaker 2: A shower what beer?

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Speaker 3: A shower beer.

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Speaker 4: So if you don't have regular beers, but that sounds amazing.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, extra relaxation right there. You don't do

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Speaker 6: in a bathtub because you'll drown and die, But if

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Speaker 6: you drink in a shower, you'll just let it all

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Speaker 6: go down the dream.

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Speaker 5: You sound such like such a wealthy woman right now.

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Speaker 5: Shower to bees.

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Speaker 4: That's what they don't watch you to have.

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Speaker 6: This is my shower champagne, honey, that that we don't serve.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you have a specific shower champagne cup. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: I've definitely partaken in shower beers in the past, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't need to be beer. You can

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Speaker 1: have a nice shower bev. I think I've found that

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Speaker 1: the thing that I enjoy about the shower beverage is

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Speaker 1: like the contrast between the cold and the heat of

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Speaker 1: the shower is kind of thing we discussed a while

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Speaker 1: back a reddit. There's a i think an entire subreddit

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Speaker 1: about shower oranges.

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Speaker 4: Oranges, Yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: People who eat oranges in the shower.

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Speaker 4: And specifically oranges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like at the time, it kind of made

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Speaker 1: sense to me because you just peel. Let the peel

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Speaker 1: fall on the ground. But peels are like easy to

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Speaker 1: like ap peels for Yeah, they like make it smell good.

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Speaker 1: And then you also get that contrast of like cool

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Speaker 1: juiciness mixed with hot shower vibes hot shower energy.

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Speaker 5: This is what we're coming up with while China is

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Speaker 5: doing AI.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we need more shower food options.

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Speaker 7: Soup not working soup?

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I think I think it needs to be

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Speaker 1: cold on hot personally, Like, that's that's what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't you would want definitely want a like

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Speaker 1: cold Italian sub and not like a hot meatball sub

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Speaker 4: Spot shoe.

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Speaker 1: Too wide of an opening, you're gonna end up getting soap.

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Speaker 3: And yeah in the shower.

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Speaker 1: Like hair water is going to be in your gaspot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's like something it's like hermitically, like the orange is

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Speaker 1: not like a open open top. You know, there's something

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Speaker 1: cool about an orange. Yeahybe we should throw this one

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Speaker 3: Try a blue moon and an orange next time I showered?

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah orange, Yeah, I'll try.

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Speaker 3: It warm and flow well as cold.

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Speaker 4: Slurpy, a big blue raspberry slurpy.

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Speaker 1: But see those have the dome top, so you're you're

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Speaker 1: actually not going to get as much hair water risk rewarding.

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Speaker 1: I truly think shower slurpy is the answer. Like, that

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Speaker 1: is something that I do need to try now. It's

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Speaker 1: the cups are a problem. You would need to get

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Speaker 1: the hard plastic ones because the paper ones, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: are always on the verge of rotting out a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I like, find an old slurpy from earlier that day,

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Speaker 1: old slur like in a car, I leave it in

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Speaker 1: and let my wife and children see that I've like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But anyways, I really think shower slurpee is going to

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Speaker 1: be a thing. Yes, all right, Andrew. This is the

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Speaker 1: episode where we tell people what was trending over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: But first we let them get to know us a

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Speaker 1: little bit better by telling them something we think is overrated,

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Speaker 1: something we think is underrated. Why don't I start us

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Speaker 1: off with something I think is overrated. I just heard that.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't heard this in a while, but I heard

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Speaker 1: somebody say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning,

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Speaker 1: and in the context of our recent discussion on processed food, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that one hits different. I'm gonna say because I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just the go to, you know, exhibit for

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Speaker 1: greatest invention. Why did people not have not? I have

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Speaker 1: so many knives now, not to brag, but like I

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Speaker 1: of bread, and you know, I try to buy loaves

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Speaker 1: of bread that are whole. Yeah, like whole ass loaves

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Speaker 11: It wasn't good. Yeah, it was with Anne Hathaway. It

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Speaker 11: MM have you ever talked about that as an overrated

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's going to be talk about oils and shell

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Speaker 1: came and like just dropped, flooded the zone with bullshit,

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Speaker 1: flooded the zone with executive orders. And now it seems

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of action happening as a result

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Speaker 1: of the executive orders. So just like trying to find

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Speaker 1: the answer in all that madness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think first of all, we can start

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Speaker 2: off with one thing that I think you're not an

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Speaker 2: idiot if you don't know this. A lot of people

444
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Speaker 2: don't know this, that an executive order is not the

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Speaker 2: same as a law passed by Congress.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: An executive order does have some legal force, but it's

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Speaker 2: basically a thing that the President said the executive branch

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Speaker 2: is going to do. And the president only has the

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Speaker 2: ability to direct certain people in agencies. So anything that's

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Speaker 2: under the executive branch of our government, that's a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff because all those big administrative agencies that you

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Speaker 2: hear about, or the Department of Justice, the Department of Health,

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Speaker 2: the Department of the Department of Transportation. He can direct

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Speaker 2: all of those agencies about how they're going to function,

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Speaker 2: what policies they're going to use, how they're going to

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Speaker 2: hire and fire. Like he can do a lot of

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Speaker 2: that direction through these executive orders. He cannot, though, do

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Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that he's trying. Me he's

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Speaker 2: kind of treating executive orders like a magic wand or

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Speaker 2: a genie in a bottle, like trying to who erase

462
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Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment on Martin Luther King Junior day, Like

463
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Speaker 2: that's what he's trying to do with some of these orders,

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Speaker 2: and you can't. There's a reason that order got stopped

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Speaker 2: in its tracks about fifteen minutes after it left his desk,

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Speaker 2: because there are limits to what executive orders can do.

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Speaker 2: That being said, there's also a lot of avenues which

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Speaker 2: agencies have a ton of power. So how he directs

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Speaker 2: ICE to perform immigration enforcement, for example, or how he

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Speaker 2: directs other agencies to address drug prices, or how he

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Speaker 2: you know, directs environmental policy, all of that can be

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Speaker 2: impacted by executive orders.

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Speaker 10: Got it.

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Speaker 1: And so the idea that like Biden could be because

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Speaker 1: like so that there's looking at the past presidential terms

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Speaker 1: that have used executive orders. I think in late December

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Speaker 1: Biden had issued about one hundred and sixty. Trump during

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Speaker 1: his first full term did two hundred and twenty. FDR

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Speaker 1: did three thousand, seven hundred and twenty one, which I

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Speaker 1: guess he was president for a number of years, but

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Speaker 1: that's still it's still a lot. So it seems like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I had just always heard, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna like use executive orders because of it's

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Speaker 1: set a bad, bad precedent and ultimately, like you know,

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Speaker 1: could be overturned. But it feels, you know, as as

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Speaker 1: somebody who's not a fan of these particular executive orders,

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Speaker 1: like they're I don't know, like when when you're a

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Speaker 1: sports fan and the other team does the thing you

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Speaker 1: don't want them to do, that's usually the right thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, that that makes me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Therefore that's probably the the they're thing. They're doing the

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Speaker 1: thing that like we're everybody like wishes they weren't doing,

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Speaker 1: which the way that the government currently runs seems like

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Speaker 1: is the correct way for them to do all the

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Speaker 1: authoritarianism that they have in mind. So I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious to hear, like, what what do you think

497
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Speaker 1: of this? Strategy like throwing a bunch of these at

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Speaker 1: the wall and some of them being outside the purview

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Speaker 1: of like a normal executive order and some of them

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Speaker 1: being just like making a statement essentially. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that that is going to work? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: do you wish that more progressive presidential if you can

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Speaker 1: imagine a more progressive presidential administration than this one, that

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Speaker 1: more progressive presidential administrations like we should be wanting them

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: So we're at this really difficult crossroads, right, which is that,

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Speaker 2: first of all, the idea that Donald Trump would not

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Speaker 2: do something because Biden refrained from doing it is hilarious

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Speaker 2: to me, like, oh, we wouldn't want to set a

510
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Speaker 2: bad president because clearly if we don't do the bad thing,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will also not do the bad thing.

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Speaker 11: He's gonna do.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna if you put a button in front of me,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna push it. He's gonna push the button until

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Speaker 2: the button breaks.

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Speaker 10: But also not just Donald Trump, like Mitch McConnell, Nut Gingrich, Yes,

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Speaker 10: every Republican leader since I've been alive and I'm pretty old, right,

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Speaker 10: it is just the weird that it's it's to me,

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Speaker 10: it's so weirdly willful. It's like, oh, we wouldn't want this,

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Speaker 10: wouldn't want to break this norm against the team that

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Speaker 10: only breaks norms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that has absolutely no compunction about breaking norms and

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Speaker 1: in fact seems to do it for fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've also realized something, which is that whether something

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Speaker 2: works has nothing to do with whether it is supposed

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Speaker 2: to work or legally structured to work. It has everything

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Speaker 2: to do with whether you can get people to change

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Speaker 2: their behavior based on what you're doing. Like if an

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Speaker 2: executive order is issued that's not supposed to work at all,

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Speaker 2: but people take action based on it, nobody stops them,

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Speaker 2: Like then it worked. So I think there's a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of like just try and stuff that we see

533
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Speaker 2: now and we're going to see continually for the next

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Speaker 2: several years. I think Democrats could absolutely benefit for more

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Speaker 2: just try and stuff. I mean, obviously I don't condone

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Speaker 2: trying to erase a constitutional amendment by FIAT. It's very

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Speaker 2: silly and no one should do that. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, I think there is a certain amount of

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Speaker 2: creativity and a certain amount of precedent breaking activity that

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Speaker 2: is appropriate. I think we were not designed to live

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Speaker 2: in a you know this, This government was not designed

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Speaker 2: to be fully static and frozen in the past. Don't

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Speaker 2: tell Clarence Thomas, he would absolutely tell you it's frozen

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Speaker 2: in the past. But in general, like evolution and trying

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Speaker 2: new stuff is good and probably Democrats could do more

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean FDR like there is some stuff

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Speaker 1: going on in his during the time that he was president,

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Speaker 1: I think, right, I have that, right, he yeah, he had,

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Speaker 1: there is some stuff and he you know, he was

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Speaker 1: willing to just up there working things out, trying things out.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, is this something?

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Speaker 11: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 1: What about there? And twenty one?

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Speaker 9: Not to be a completely left wing lunatic, but I

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Speaker 9: will just point out that it does a little bit

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Speaker 9: at this point seem like the Democrats did govern the

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Speaker 9: way they wanted to. And it's not a matter of

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Speaker 9: not trying stuff, it's that they didn't want to try

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Speaker 9: that stuff, right, the big d Democrats are not interested

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Speaker 9: in those good things. Yeah, it seems to me as

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Speaker 9: an idiot, me a complete idiot, it would seem that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean these ideas were raised, they did not

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Speaker 1: happen over the past four years. At times when a

566
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Speaker 1: lot of unprecedented ship was happening. That bad stuff, not

567
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Speaker 1: unprecedentedly fun good stuff. Let's talk about just the the

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Speaker 1: you know, the executive actions that are jumping out to you,

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Speaker 1: Emily as somebody who's kind of following this. I actually

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Speaker 1: don't know if all of these are executive orders, but

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Speaker 1: these are the ones that have kind of popped, have really.

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Speaker 10: Popped for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm getting Hollywood executive here, but

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Speaker 1: so we have the mass raids on undocumented people in

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Speaker 1: the US and their families, which that that is an

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Speaker 1: executive order, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, directing ICE, directing ICE enforcement.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Scrapping cancer research is that.

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Speaker 2: That had to do a lot with freezing the NIH

581
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Speaker 2: and freezing funding, hiring, firing, the purchasing of supplies for research,

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Speaker 2: which resulted in a lot of labs having to let

583
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Speaker 2: people go stop their research they don't have personnel or supplies,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't do major medical research without money.

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Speaker 10: Sure.

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Speaker 2: And what's really terrible is that by interrupting a lot

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Speaker 2: of the work of these labs, we're setting that research back.

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Speaker 2: It's not like a lot of this work can just

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Speaker 2: be sort of like picked right back up where you

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Speaker 2: left off. Six months from now, and it's not just cancer,

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Speaker 2: it's Alzheimer's research. It's like a huge quantity of research

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Speaker 2: that makes the United States a valuable place to be

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Speaker 2: because of its medical advancement capacity. Yeah, we just threw

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Speaker 2: that in the trash and lit it on fire.

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Speaker 1: What is the not that I think there's great reasoning

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Speaker 1: behind any of this shit, but I am confused how

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Speaker 1: that even ties into any agenda or like any set

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Speaker 1: of you know, politics, like any political posturing is like

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Speaker 1: we actually think we should.

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Speaker 2: See we hang out with any mega people lately, because

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Speaker 2: I mean, what I hear a lot of is that

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Speaker 2: they believe that all of these researchers are like it

603
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Speaker 2: all comes back to Fauci and it's all corrupt and

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Speaker 2: it's training the swamp, and we're like, I don't think

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Speaker 2: anybody's given a lot of critical thought to what if

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Speaker 2: what if the researchers are not secretly corrupt oligarchs, but

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Speaker 2: what if they actually are people who are poised to

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Speaker 2: save lives, perhaps lives within your family sometime in the

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Speaker 2: next few years, if we let them. I think there's

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Speaker 2: just this huge perception of corruption in the medical community,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure where that comes from. Certainly I

612
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Speaker 2: could talk about it in context related to medicine and

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Speaker 2: health insurance, but yeah, when it comes to like hating

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Speaker 2: on cancer researchers, I don't get it. But it's a

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Speaker 2: thing that the MAGA folks seem to do.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, okay, honestly, And that's the kind of toughest

617
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Speaker 9: thing is like all this data is going to be

618
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Speaker 9: so entangled with our shitty healthcare system that it's not

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Speaker 9: even even going to be clear that as a direct

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Speaker 9: outcome of this, like life expectancy or health outcomes are

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Speaker 9: worse in the United States because they're already so much

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Speaker 9: worse than the rest of the like you know, equivalently

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Speaker 9: rich world, that like we're never going to be able

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Speaker 9: to prove prove until, like I said this yesterday, until

625
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Speaker 9: Polio's back, but like even then, with.

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Speaker 1: Any of this shit, I feel like we're in a

627
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Speaker 1: really bad position to make those cases because of how the.

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Speaker 10: Media general healthcare system, how.

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Speaker 1: Bad a general healthcare is. But just all of like

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Speaker 1: them very disappointed in the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's hard to prove a negative, but

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Speaker 2: if the New York Times wanted to and I'm with

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Speaker 2: you that they don't want to at all, Right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could look at over the next few years, how

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Speaker 2: many new pharmaceuticals are patented, how many new treatments medical devices, like.

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Speaker 2: You could look at patents. You could look at drugs

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Speaker 2: hitting the market. You could look at requests for FDA approval,

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Speaker 2: you could look at all you could look at new

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Speaker 2: techniques being published in medical journals. You could look at

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Speaker 2: the rate at which US researchers are publishing generally. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's all of these metrics that we expect to see

642
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Speaker 2: slow down when you defund medical research.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the other ones I have pulling the US

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Speaker 1: out of the World Health Organization recognizing only two genders,

645
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Speaker 1: turning DEI into like not not just removing funding for DEI,

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Speaker 1: but like, you know, saying that people need to report

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Speaker 1: anyone they see doing a DEI. I guess is the idea.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I did hear somebody pointed out that

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Speaker 1: roy Cone came from McCarthyism, So like that like roy

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Speaker 1: Cone was worked and like learned under McCarthy. So it

651
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Speaker 1: does make sense that there's this like direct line from

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Speaker 1: McCarthyism too.

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Speaker 2: Trump, Well, it's not just in the federal government. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of people are talking about that EO,

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Speaker 2: Like it's just amongst federal employees, right, like, if the

656
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Speaker 2: guy at the cubicle nextsu is seeming a little too diverse,

657
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: you better report. But it's also giving these agencies a

658
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Speaker 2: directive to select up to nine entities in the private

659
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Speaker 2: sector that they would like to investigate for compliance. So

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Speaker 2: it's also poising the federal government to engage in. And

661
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Speaker 2: we're already seeing the impact in like cowardly big companies

662
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Speaker 2: scrubbing any mention of diversity and ending any diversity programs,

663
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Speaker 2: and less cowardly companies refusing to do so, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of cool to see, but it's McCarthyism writ large

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Speaker 2: in the DEI context.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Also we're going to see that in the immigration context,

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Speaker 2: with like pressure to turn people over and compliance pressures

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Speaker 2: of all kinds. So yeah, they're absolutely trying to create

670
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Speaker 2: a society in which people are afraid of their neighbors

671
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Speaker 2: and afraid to be snitched on by their colleagues.

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Speaker 1: For being too diverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a person's way

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00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: too into diversity.

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Speaker 10: It's like, actually, like I'm I am curious this speed

675
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 10: for which this will have repercussions. I mean, the immigration

676
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 10: thing is like if that actually happened, would actually tank

677
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 10: the agricultural industry. So like, you know, if the Trump

678
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 10: people were mad at the price of eggs, then like

679
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Speaker 10: what the fuck is I'm just like curious, like if

680
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Speaker 10: anything will ever.

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Speaker 2: I'm in California. There's We're on our local news. We're

682
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: seeing like fruit sitting in the fields. It's orange season,

683
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: like nothing, like. Yeah, it's understandable. It's especially understandable because

684
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: when you're not inside a building, you don't have the

685
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: same Fourth Amendment protections. It's actually a huge issue. We see,

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Speaker 2: for example, unhoused people don't have the same rights against

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Speaker 2: search and seizure because they don't have a home which

688
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 2: someone would need a warrant to enter, so they don't

689
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: get this particular constitutional protection. If you're in a field, again,

690
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: ice can come up and go after anybody they want.

691
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: There's no structure that they would need a judge to

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Speaker 2: give them permission to enter. So agricultural jobs are particularly vulnerable,

693
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Speaker 2: and we as a country are particularly vulnerable to like

694
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Speaker 2: not having food we can afford as a result.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean it's just the unintended

696
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 10: or yeah, well the food like disaster would be an

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Speaker 10: unintended even for them consequence of like you know, enforcing

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Speaker 10: immigration in the way they want to enforce it. I'm

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 10: just curious, like, what the fuck will actually happen?

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Speaker 2: How could it be unintended? I mean that's a question

701
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Speaker 2: I have, is like, it's the most foreseeable possible, the.

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Speaker 1: Very first thing everybody is like, hey, so I know

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Speaker 1: you only understand profitability, just a quick FYI hear on that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I guess might the speculation would be it

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Speaker 10: just creates an even more scared or like oppressed class

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Speaker 10: of undocumented worker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the idea of that they talk about

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00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: a lot that like, yeah, you know, people criticize how

709
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: expensive this is going to be, but it's gonna lead

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Speaker 1: to like a lot of like self deportation, and you

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Speaker 1: know that what that usually means is that people just

712
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Speaker 1: don't can't work because when you like show up to work,

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00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: then like you're you know, putting yourself in a position

714
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Speaker 1: to be taken in. But so that's yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: it feels like that is going to be a first

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Speaker 1: like it's not going to be a down the road thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like a thing that is going like based on

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Speaker 1: the things that we're already seeing of you know, these

719
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: like raids. The doctor Phil is live streaming. We're going

720
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: to see the results immediately, because nobody's gonna want to

721
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: fucking put themselves in a position to be arrested and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, treated cruelly. Yeah, so I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: I others reversing climate change, bringing back the death penalty,

724
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Speaker 1: not reversing climate change, reversing climate change actions and declaring

725
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Speaker 1: and the emergency is actually how little gas we're pulling

726
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Speaker 1: out of the ground. These are all things that I

727
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: had identified as like, man, the executive orders seem to

728
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: work in this case in the worst way possible. Like

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Speaker 1: what is there Are there any of these that you're

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Speaker 1: like that that one is actually going to be challenged

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Speaker 1: and easy to overturn before it does too much damage?

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Speaker 1: Or is this all just kind of fore alarm fire territory?

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Speaker 2: So I'm really interested to see what happens because a

734
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: lot of people like to act like the law is

735
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: a real thing and you know, the law will save us.

736
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Speaker 2: The law doesn't support this, and the law, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: the law is just a bunch of humans in rooms

738
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Speaker 2: like some of the humans get to wear a special

739
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: dress and sit up higher. But which human these cases

740
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Speaker 2: are broad in front of will matter a great deal

741
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: because Trump worked very hard during his last term to

742
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: put a lot of judges in place who are heavily

743
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Speaker 2: aligned with the ideology we see in Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: In the past, we saw a judiciary which took their

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Speaker 2: responsibility as neutral arbiters way more seriously, and they would

746
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Speaker 2: have been like, really embarrassed to do something nakedly partisan.

747
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Speaker 2: That cultural safeguard is gone, and I don't think we

748
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Speaker 2: realized the degree to which it was a cultural norm,

749
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Speaker 2: a cultural safeguard holding the judiciary in a neutral position.

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Speaker 2: It's toast. So some of these I will point out,

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Speaker 2: you know, the death penalty one is terrible for innumerable reasons. One,

752
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Speaker 2: Generally Americans don't support the death penalty anymore, So this

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00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: isn't really beating any voters that are demanding this.

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Speaker 11: Two, we get it.

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Speaker 4: Wrong a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's her reversible. Three this EO contains all of these

757
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: eos contain ways for the government to reach more deeply

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Speaker 2: into the lives and actions of private actors and the state.

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Speaker 2: So here this EO is directing the federal government to

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Speaker 2: try to exert more control over state and local prosecutors

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Speaker 2: and ags. Here's why that's a big deal in the

762
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Speaker 2: federal system. Joe Biden, to his credit, commuted the sentences

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Speaker 2: of everyone who's on federal death row. So Donald Trump

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00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: doesn't have anybody he can kill right now, as much

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Speaker 2: as he would like to.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, and.

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Speaker 2: Good on President Biden for doing that. Eighty seven percent, roughly,

768
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Speaker 2: that's excess, probably an old stad, but over eighty five

769
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Speaker 2: percent of people in prison are there on state and

770
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Speaker 2: local cases, so you can see that, like, the federal

771
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: government only comprises a very small minority of people who

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Speaker 2: are impacted by criminal justice decisions generally. So what does

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Speaker 2: this executive order do. It pushes the federal government to

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Speaker 2: start going after the folks who actually control use of

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Speaker 2: the death penalty, who are state ags and state and

776
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Speaker 2: local prosecutors. And that bothers me for many reasons, one

777
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: of which is it's completely contrary to the omnipresent states

778
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Speaker 2: rights argument that we hear all the time that like,

779
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Speaker 2: local people should decide what's right in their locality. Oh,

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Speaker 2: unless in your locality you don't want the government to

781
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Speaker 2: kill people, in which case you don't get to decide

782
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: what's right for your locality. Your judgment is subsumed by

783
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: a huge and empowered federal government. I thought we did

784
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: like big government. No, no, no, we like big government

785
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: when it's making the government kill people. So's that's where

786
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: we are on this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not great, And your point about it being unpopular,

788
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: like that, that was the thing. Just alec Herricktsanas had

789
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: a thread on Twitter this weekend just about this New

790
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: York Times article from last week titled support for Trump's

791
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: policies exceeds support for Trump. And this feels like it's

792
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Speaker 1: the way I'm seeing a lot of people in the

793
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: New York Times and like in that world respond where

794
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Speaker 1: they're like people might not like the man but approve,

795
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Speaker 1: you know, they might think his methods are too harsh,

796
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Speaker 1: but he's getting things done, and it's like in line

797
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Speaker 1: with their And I think what they're referring to is

798
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Speaker 1: like a very specifically worded question that suggests that they

799
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Speaker 1: want people who are undocumented deport it. But there's also

800
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Speaker 1: like three questions they're just worded slightly differently that suggests

801
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Speaker 1: that there's actually a super majority of people who don't

802
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: who don't want that, but they I don't know, there

803
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: just seems to be that an urge to like be

804
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: like what he's doing is like not that out of

805
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: line with like what people want, and I don't think

806
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: it's true, And like, why again, they're only focusing on

807
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: like two of these executive orders, two of these policies.

808
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Speaker 1: They're like really having to work hard with the polling

809
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: and the wording of the polling to like make it

810
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: seem like people are in support of these policies. And

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Speaker 1: then they're also ignoring like the huge swaths of these

812
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: executive orders that are wildly unpopular for their cruelty.

813
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Speaker 2: And so this is so I'm so glad you brought

814
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Speaker 2: this up, because so when we look at Project twenty

815
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Speaker 2: twenty five, there's a couple of like big themes that emerge.

816
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Speaker 2: One is that they're very terrified of boyfriends, and they

817
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Speaker 2: think there's nothing more terrible than a mom, a single mom,

818
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: having a boyfriend. There's a whole fun passage I beg

819
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Speaker 2: you to read with just just like control f boyfriend.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

821
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Speaker 2: In Project twenty twenty five, it's a ride. But beyond

822
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: their fear of boyfriends, they really don't like information. They

823
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: don't like people having any information, and they would rather

824
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: the government not gather any information because if you gather

825
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: any information, people might get a hold of it, because

826
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Speaker 2: governments do have to have a certain level of transparency.

827
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Speaker 2: This goes totally to what you're talking about. The way

828
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: you can create false informational worlds is by limiting the

829
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Speaker 2: amount of information people actually have. Like here you have

830
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Speaker 2: a poll which doesn't reveal to the reader that, oh,

831
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Speaker 2: in like the next three questions, it turns out people

832
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: don't actually like this policy. They just only liked it

833
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Speaker 2: when it was worded a very specific way. And that's

834
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: really the thing about polling, right, is that like the

835
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: answer you get from people depends enormously on how you

836
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: ask them a given question. But in the in the EOS,

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00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: we're seeing a ton of these clauses. In the EOS

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00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: are getting rid of forms of tracking information in government

839
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Speaker 2: so that people will no longer have access to, for example,

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Speaker 2: what the demographic makeup of our government even is, or

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00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: of our armed forces, or of you know what. The

842
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: impact of various policies and programs is. Health tracking in particular,

843
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: like how much are we at danger from bird flu

844
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Speaker 2: versus something else. They would really prefer not to collect

845
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: any data, because when you don't collect data, you can

846
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: control people's opinion on policy a lot more through things

847
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: like the framing of the question, because people don't have

848
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Speaker 2: a real informational basis for making decisions. In addition to that,

849
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: there's a whole separate EEO on restricting the government's ability

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00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: to go after misinformation and disinformation because to stop to

851
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Speaker 2: stop misinformation and disinformation would impinge on the free speech

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00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: rights of the people who would like to distribute misinformation,

853
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Like lest the government stop people from lying to you.

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00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: It's all this theme of like the government no longer

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Speaker 2: wants you to have good information underdown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that seemed like the whole Mark Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: like statement was all about, like the way in which

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Speaker 1: he used like that's like people's opinions and like free speech,

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00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: but he was only talking about like people who support

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's free speech very specific definition of that. It's

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Speaker 1: it's very strange, but it's like it's not just the

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Speaker 1: tech eos. It feels like the these you know, journalistic

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Speaker 1: institutions are just like currently really not up to the

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Speaker 1: task of like dealing with what's happening right now there.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell if they're into it or scared. I

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Speaker 2: can't tell which it is.

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Speaker 10: I think they're into it. I think they've had decades

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Speaker 10: to not be into it, and they have never showed

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Speaker 10: themselves to not be into it. Yeah, I mean, I

870
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Speaker 10: will say again, I know I keep beating this drum,

871
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 10: but we are. It feels ever nearer to an actual

872
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 10: like facts don't care about your feelings, reckoning on just

873
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 10: like the nature of reality. And I'm just like, I

874
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 10: know I keep saying it, but it's like, you know,

875
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 10: the things they believe are largely not true. So like,

876
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 10: what is it going to be? Just like Made in

877
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 10: the USA starts to not become the gold standard? Is

878
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 10: it going to be like you know, fucking like Beijing

879
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 10: University is where you go instead of Harvard, Like it

880
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 10: will be something like the rest of the world doesn't

881
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 10: have to play by these rules and they eventually won't.

882
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 10: Like what is it going to be? I'm just like,

883
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 10: I guess, I'm hoped. I hope I'll be alive when

884
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 10: the fucking other shoe drops on this whole shit.

885
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Sorry, Yeah, I feel like it

886
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: might be sooner than I was expecting prior to a

887
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. But yeah, I don't know. It's

888
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: it's it's Is there anything Emily that is making you

889
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: hope full besides teachers, which I think is a great example,

890
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like teachers being willing to fight for their kids, for

891
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: their students, any other places you're seeing hope.

892
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: One thing I would say is that so much of

893
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: this is local, right, Like I've been watching online as

894
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: like finding videos of a local neighborhood watch like scaring

895
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 2: off ice agents from their neighborhood and schools not letting

896
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: them in, and you know, ordinary people protecting each other.

897
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: I also think that this has the potential for a

898
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: huge informational awakening for Americans in a certain sense. I mean,

899
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, actually, this is so dumb. But do you

900
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: remember when like TikTok was gone for five minutes and

901
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: everybody got on red note Yeah, and suddenly Americans were like,

902
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you get fresh groceries for how much

903
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: in China? Amazed like the fantastic Chinese grocery halls Americans

904
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: have managed to become even without a Trump branded isolationism,

905
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: Americans have for decades been deprived of opportunities to really

906
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: get to know the international community, to travel, to learn

907
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: about the world, to expand their horizons. And I think

908
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: that in that moment you describe Andrew of like watching

909
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: China surpass us in renewable energy and get to a

910
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: clean and low cost energy solution while we're still like

911
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: shoveling coal into furnaces. I think that's going to be,

912
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: I hope, a really healthy awakening for Americans. I'm terrified

913
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: on the healthcare front of the number of lives it

914
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: could cost us to learn this particular lesson, But I

915
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: guess I'm placing a lot of my hope in great

916
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: organizations that are willing to put up a fight, in

917
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: ordinary people who are not naturally compliant and steel themselves

918
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: to say no, even agrins. It's really hard to say

919
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: no to somebody who says, look, I have this piece

920
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: of paper that let's be coming to your home. It's

921
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: really hard to say, nah, judge, didn't sign that paper.

922
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: I'm not opening the door. It's hard to do. But

923
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: I have faith in the stubbornness of ordinary Americans, and

924
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that if we are able to

925
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: emerge from this without falling prey to the informational lockdown.

926
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: If we're able to retain our ability to get information,

927
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: we're going to come out of this a much better society.

928
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: That is the question, right. That's where like it feels

929
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: like things must be like the way I was talking about,

930
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: like it being a sporting thing where you're like, oh,

931
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I don't want my opponent

932
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: to do, and they're doing it and that is probably

933
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: smart on their part. Like, that's my question thinking through

934
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: for them is like that's going to be the next

935
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: frontier is like, okay, so how do we stop the information?

936
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Like and it sounds like they're working on that with

937
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: regards to the studies, but just in terms of the

938
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: day to day social media, I'm sure that you know,

939
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: beyond the TikTok band, I'm sure that's coming too, right.

940
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: Wouldn't this be great? I mean zccer bless Zuckerberg's little

941
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: heart is my college classmate.

942
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: Wow, cool guy, cool guy.

943
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: Actually Facebook is old, like old Facebook's old. Like I

944
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: also think there's a real chance that like we might

945
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: disconnect from our social media addictions in a really different

946
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: way during these next few years.

947
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 11: That could be really.

948
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: I mean, once you realize that something you've been using

949
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: as a resource to learn about people around you and

950
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: like what's happening in your community is actually just full

951
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: of junk. Yeah yeah, I go on Twitter so much

952
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: less now because it's just like so full of like

953
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: click baity, angerly just coorse. Yeah yeah, exactly. And if

954
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: this disconnects us from that and we go back to

955
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: other forms of informational engagement and information sharing, or we

956
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: create new forms, that'd be great too.

957
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I did want to also say a thing

958
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 9: about the local, like to sort of tag what you

959
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 9: were sayingly, like even you know, just like doing a

960
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 9: small amount of mutual aid carding shit around during the

961
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 9: fires and I mean the fires are still ongoing, but

962
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 9: it and just thinking about California. I know I've said

963
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 9: this on the show closer to when the election was,

964
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 9: but like, you know, liberal ass California couldn't even outlass slavery.

965
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 10: So like, there's still plenty of work that you can

966
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 10: do in your community that will materially move things forward

967
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 10: and make things better that, however feudal like, and however

968
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 10: much damage is done, and we're watching the repercussions of

969
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 10: federal government. You can still fix things, repair stuff, help

970
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 10: people in a way that is material in your community,

971
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 10: and you should fucking do it because to do it,

972
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 10: even though you're helping people, you're doing it for yourself

973
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 10: because you're going to need all this stuff too.

974
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: There's a really good lever for that that nobody thinks about,

975
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: and I want to put it out there for people

976
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: to consider. All of these culture war things. The way

977
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: they get enforced is through prosecution. That's why Donald Trump

978
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: wants to exert so much control over local prosecutors is

979
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 2: because a lot of this enactment will have to take

980
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: place in the form of criminal prosecution. Public defenders man

981
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: public defenders are so under considered as a sort of

982
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: last bulwark against totalitarianism. They are the people who are

983
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 2: fighting against you know, the types of detainers that can

984
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: lead to deportation. They are the people that are often

985
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: first to find out when an individual is in jeopardy

986
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: from their government. They are the people best equipped to

987
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: legally intervene. For many people, a public defender is the

988
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: only lawyer they're going to have in their life. They're

989
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: going to have one lawyer, and it's probably the free lawyer.

990
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: Provided them paid by the government to fight the government,

991
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: and they there's five nine hundred public defender agencies in

992
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: this country. Most of them are like not particularly funded

993
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: or attended to, but ordinary people can go to their

994
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: county Board of Supervisors meeting say hey, how are you

995
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: resourcing my public defender if my family needs a lawyer,

996
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: Like who is that lawyer? And what support are they

997
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: getting and how well are they being paid, and like

998
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: what experts do they have access to and what labs

999
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: are you going to let them use in a serious case.

1000
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: I think that it's a moment now for people to

1001
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: recognize that public defenders are their counsel and they should

1002
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: demand better.

1003
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you work on that, like that executive

1004
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: you're the executive director of Partners for Justice, which sounds

1005
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: like that's kind of a focus for you guys, right.

1006
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1007
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: Most of what we do is we help public defenders

1008
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: do more stuff beyond the legal matter, so like recognizing

1009
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: that a court case can completely upend a person's life,

1010
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: cost them their housing, their job, like access to their kids,

1011
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: access to medicine. We basically create really strong interdisciplinary services

1012
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: inside public defense. A little bit of mutual aid, a

1013
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: little bit of services, you know, a lot of community

1014
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: networking so that people can walk away from a case

1015
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: with their life as intact as possible. It's very very

1016
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: pro safety stuff. A lot of the stuff we address

1017
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: our underlying drivers of crime. It's also very decarsoral. We've

1018
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: eliminated over five thousand years of incarceration in just a

1019
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: few years because it turns out what somebody's doing really

1020
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: well in the community, a judge is less likely to

1021
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: send them to prison. But I'm talking about more than that,

1022
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: like more than just what we do, like the daily litigation.

1023
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: Public Defenders is going to protect a lot of people

1024
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: who are being prosecuted for putting the wrong book on

1025
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: the library shelf, or seeking an abortion or being trans

1026
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: I mean the lawyer they're going to have is probably

1027
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: a public defender. So even beyond my work, it's a

1028
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: great place for people to dedicate their focus.

1029
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, And if you're just a citizen talking to

1030
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 10: your government, a great place to find that money is

1031
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 10: in the insane police budget. Just thrown it out there.

1032
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 10: Maybe some of those funds should be taken from the police.

1033
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, there's a great study helicopter.

1034
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know a tank.

1035
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: There's a great study on what really well, there's a

1036
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: lot of great studies and what really creates safety. And actually,

1037
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: if anybody cares. On the Partners for Justice website, we

1038
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: have a little tab that says evidence, and I gathered

1039
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: a ton of these studies there if anybody wants data

1040
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: on safety. But there's a wonderful overview we did on

1041
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: how environmental design creates safety. And it turns out that

1042
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: if you want to lower the homicide rate, you are

1043
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: better on off planting trees than hiring more cops.

1044
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 11: I mean some.

1045
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: Street lighting trees. And that's not only on homicides. Like

1046
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: buildings with more greenery, like more beautifully greened buildings are

1047
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: not only less likely to be burglarized, they also have

1048
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: less domestic violence inside the building. So all these things

1049
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: we could spend money on that might work better, and

1050
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 2: more more subway cops playing candy crush.

1051
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know this is not the way the directionality

1052
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 10: window or arrow goes, but also less domestic violence if

1053
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 10: there's fewer cops.

1054
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Right, let's just throw it out. There could be I

1055
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: don't I actually don't know if that's the direction that

1056
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: the cause.

1057
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 10: Out guys are bad guys.

1058
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And

1059
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: we're back. And the Pentagon has decided that Black History

1060
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Months isn't a thing anymore.

1061
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 11: There they that's the joke. It's also I feel like

1062
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 11: some of you need to hear me say that. Good.

1063
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, their intelligence agencies reportedly paused observances of Pride Month,

1064
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Black History Months, Martin Luther King Junior's Birthday, Holocaust Days

1065
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: of Remembrance, Juneteenth, and other annual cultural events due to

1066
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Pete Hagseth's war on wokeness.

1067
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 11: That's terrible.

1068
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 12: Valentine's Day they still have off. They still for Valentine's

1069
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 12: Day to make.

1070
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 11: More babies get their rape on?

1071
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 10: Right?

1072
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 11: Do they think we love their holidays?

1073
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 10: Like?

1074
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 11: Do they think we love Thanksgiving? And Fourth of July?

1075
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 11: Like do they think that we are getting together at

1076
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 11: Thanksgiving dinner? And like what are they doing? I don't

1077
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 11: it's so insane. How like the do you guys not

1078
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 11: want a paid day off?

1079
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 6: Like?

1080
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 11: What the fuck are you fucking talking about?

1081
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they are only comfortable when celebrating emotionally distant

1082
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: straight white diisgender men. That's that's what we do in

1083
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: this country and sometimes they'll allow you know, Santa Claus

1084
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: is about as emotionally available as they'll allow.

1085
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Speaker 11: Well, that's because that's celebrating capitalism, so right, they can

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Speaker 11: understand that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's also I'm very like DEI is being conflated with

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Speaker 1: diversity and values that like they're taking this like corporatization

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Speaker 1: of the idea of diversity and trying to lump like

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Speaker 1: the legacy of Martin Luther King Junior like under that.

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Speaker 1: In a way that's like very, very frustrating, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like the mainstream media is just going along with

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Speaker 1: that and being like, yeah, the war the right is

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Speaker 1: winning the war on DBI, like and everything goes under that,

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Speaker 1: including people like non white people and not straight people

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: Pride Month is like they're they're lumping the under like DEI,

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Speaker 1: which was like the corporate world's attempt to be like

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Speaker 1: and we're listening, you know.

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Speaker 12: Right, It truly doesn't change their lives at all at all,

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Speaker 12: at all. It's like Pride Month, it's so fucking loud. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: it's just so loud all the time. I can't hear myself.

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Speaker 11: Think racist, homophobic thoughts when aphobia so has to cancel

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Speaker 11: his big plans for prior to drowned out by me

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Speaker 11: thinking about all these men's dicks.

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Speaker 1: Right, have you guys heard of Netflix? Do you remember? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So Netflix is that company that used to like mail

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Speaker 1: people DVDs. Now so they're now a streamer. And they

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Speaker 1: just held their twenty twenty five programming preview, which.

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Speaker 11: Aka Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: That's that. That is weird that they called it that, right, Like.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they could have called it anything. They could have

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Speaker 7: called it nothing.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they could have just kept their prices where they

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 11: should be a stop giving certain people lots of lots

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Speaker 11: of money, right.

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Speaker 1: The Hollywood Reporter said that it felt like a defense

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Speaker 1: of like that they were like trying to defend themselves

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Speaker 1: in a weird way and just being like we're number

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Speaker 1: one because they just raise prices and everybody's like kind

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Speaker 1: of annoyed.

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Speaker 11: Oh oh, I'm canceling my shit. I was like eighteen

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Speaker 11: dollars for fucking nothing because that now they don't have

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01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 11: exclusive shit you see like HBO shit on there, everything's

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01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 11: on there. We do not need to be on there, guys,

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Speaker 11: take a break, give them, give them.

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Speaker 1: Give them nothing. Sorry, I think you're gonna want to

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Speaker 1: listen to this story.

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Speaker 11: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, these sorts of events are like in general for me,

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Speaker 1: the thing about streaming is just like there's this like

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: fire hose of expendable content generally, and then they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: if you thought that was a lot of stuff you

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: won't ultimately remember, check out this, and then just like

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01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, blast you with like even more. There is

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: stuff in here that I thought seems interesting. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I did love John Mulaney's Everybody's in La, and they're

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Speaker 1: bringing that back. Seems expensive, seems expensive, which should be

1141
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: that it does seem expensive, But what's fun about the show?

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 7: I want something that seems expensive.

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01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should be the name. Turn that on.

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 11: I go, look at that stage, look at that set,

1146
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 11: Look at these guys. That is money.

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 7: Is that an oak desk? That is some hardwood?

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Speaker 1: Okay, God damn. They announce Stayed, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon

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Speaker 1: movie called Rip.

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Speaker 11: I'm waiting for that, Oh for that them to come

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 11: back together together. When j Lo broke up, I knew

1152
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 11: Matt and Andy we're gonna get back together. Yeah, they

1153
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 11: had to. They always do what every time a woman

1154
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 11: does one of them dirty. They go, you know what

1155
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 11: it's about us? I need you, I need you, broke.

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 7: The need each other, I need them.

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Speaker 1: Ben Affleck called it a mix, this movie a mix

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01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: of Heat meets Narc meets Training Day, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: one of those is not, like those are two classic movies.

1160
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: And then Nark, a movie that I didn't even realize

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Speaker 1: was a movie necessarily. I thought it wasn't there like

1162
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: a video game in the eighties called Narc.

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Speaker 11: I don't know, but I just know that a movie

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 11: is going to be bad when the main actor is

1165
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 11: using the log line as a way to convince you

1166
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 11: to watch it, and it's like, honey, that's not how

1167
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 11: you convince me. That's for the pitch. That's for the deck.

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01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 7: Out to that log line.

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Speaker 12: Actually, I just read it over and over again and

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Speaker 12: I do push ups.

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Speaker 1: By the way, The reason is because it's direct that

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Speaker 1: that is a movie that was directed by the same

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 1: guy who directed this, so he just like trying to

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01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: throw it in like it.

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Speaker 11: Was a bunch of fucking losers. Oh my god, get

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01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 11: on each other dicks. Yeah, just try to challenge each

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 11: other to be better. For the love of fucking God.

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, all right, So here are the

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Speaker 1: ones that jumped out to me that I'm like, I

1180
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: feel like people are going to be talking about.

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 11: Tell us why you're going to keep subscribing to eighteen

1182
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 11: dollars a month Netflix, Jack.

1183
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: So I'm here to tell you that's what it sounds like.

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I feel like we these will be

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: coming up in this year on the daily es. I

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: guess like, I feel like they'll crossover. Sponsored by BP

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Speaker 1: SA and this is sponsored by VP.

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Speaker 11: Yes as squid Game sponsored by PETE season three okay, sorry, as.

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01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: The climate change adventure increasingly gets more exciting in the

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Speaker 1: coming year thanks to our friends at BP. These are

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you can entertain yourself with.

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Speaker 1: Inside So there's a new Knives out, which I don't

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: know how you guys feel about the first Knives out.

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 11: First one great, second one semi great. This one can't

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 11: possibly be great.

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 12: This one's guns out the Annie guns out.

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Speaker 1: Ever bring a knife to a gun party. The only

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Speaker 1: detail that I have on this one because they like

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Speaker 1: had a picture of so Dane Craig have.

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Speaker 11: Have long he was jerking off to you were jerking on.

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01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: They had one picture they had one picture, but it

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Speaker 1: was delicious.

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01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 11: You got to hear. Sometimes you hear what he's really saying.

1204
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: When you hear, you just got to read between the lines.

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not wife. There's just no way she's happy.

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01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: H No, No, you suld be correct.

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 7: Neither is mine. I want to say that.

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Speaker 1: The unhappy wives clothes. Yes, that's what this podcast.

1209
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 7: That's what it is. God, she's pissed.

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 11: I thought that's what Tom's the girls his wife.

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so the mousie guy from Challengers is playing someone

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Speaker 1: named d Judd do Plentissy, do plan Tissy?

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 11: Who was playing this?

1214
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: You know the mouse he guy from Challengers. He's like

1215
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: hot mouse. He got the dark haired MOUSEI guy. Anyways,

1216
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: it's just do plan Tissy. I was ready to be

1217
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: out on this, and then I was like, oh, Daniel

1218
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: Craig saying calling someone mister duplantissy is I'm back in.

1219
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: Although he does have shaggy hair. Dang o Craig in

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Speaker 1: this one.

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Speaker 11: Which are you going to read that line? I'm waiting

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Speaker 11: for you to read that line.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he will be do planticitous? Is that

1224
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: the line that you were I wonder if he will

1225
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: be duplenticitous perfect. Thank you Marcella for encouraging me across

1226
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the finish line of my own joke. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you to BP as well. Full Stop Happy Gilmore Too

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: is coming? What Yeah, I had no idea. It's from

1229
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Kyle from Alcoholics Sister podcast. This is important. That's gonna

1230
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: be interesting. I do love a good Sandler and Happy

1231
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: Gilmore one a classic. Then all right, so this is

1232
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: the one, the two that I think we're really going

1233
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: to hear about. Uh, there's a retrospective like Eddie Murphy

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: documentary that I feel like could be like a you know,

1235
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: last dance moment for like Eddie Murray, where like people

1236
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: like go back and realize like, oh shit, like he

1237
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome. You know.

1238
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 12: But if Michael Jordan hated basketball, right, but he could

1239
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 12: still be doing it if he wanted to. He just

1240
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 12: doesn't like it. He hates stand up.

1241
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: Well a thing or two about why.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I do think that what he said to

1243
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 11: or maybe the conversation to him and Jerry Jerry Seinfeld

1244
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 11: had on to whatever the two cars and cups getting

1245
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 11: you about. He was like, once you're I don't know

1246
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 11: one of them said it and they but they both agreed,

1247
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 11: and I appreciate it where they're both like, you know,

1248
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 11: once you're rich, you're not funny anymore. And I love

1249
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 11: that because I'm like, I wish Elon Musk could hear that,

1250
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 11: because this motherfucker is striving to be funny and it's like, dude,

1251
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 11: rich people cannot have a sense of humor. It's just

1252
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 11: it doesn't exist in their brains.

1253
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to be funny until the world is over,

1254
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: until it chills us all.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, sponsored by BP.

1256
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Speaker 1: And then there's a docu series about the titans that, uh,

1257
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: those people trying to go down to the Titanic and imploding.

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01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 11: Which fucking losers? More losers, give me some this loser

1259
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 11: after loser.

1260
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eddie Murphy and the guy who went down.

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna say it not Eddie Murphy. I'm not gonna

1262
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 11: call Eddie Murphy a loser.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, remember little Heights that I think are coming

1264
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: coming for all our asses, coming for the Zeitgeist. Oh

1265
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Speaker 1: and Guiermo del Toro is making a Frankenstein movie.

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Speaker 12: Enough no more monsters. Lo can my little freaks? That's

1267
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 12: Germo del Toro. What can all these little freaks. I

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 12: little fucking weird weird mummy. I think I think he

1269
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 12: keeps him, hiding him, and it's tummy.

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: He pulls him out of his belly button.

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Speaker 11: Wait, he dreams one up, he pulls it out his

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01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 11: belly button.

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Speaker 1: This one all right, that's gonna do it for this

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Speaker 1: week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show. If

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: you like the show, Uh means the world to Miles.

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: He he needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having

1277
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: a great weekend and I will talk to him Monday.

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Speaker 1: By