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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guests are the brilliant map

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Speaker 1: Omer and Jonathan Bailey, who are Emmy nominated actors for

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Speaker 1: their incredibly moving performances in the series Fellow Travelers. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a special edition episode of my podcast because

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Speaker 1: the conversation you are about to hear is from an

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Speaker 1: You of course know Matt from his incredible performances in

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Speaker 1: White Collar, The Poison, The Band, Maestro, and many more,

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan from his breakout role in Bridgerton when he

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Speaker 1: quickly became a fan favorite around the world, and who

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Speaker 1: will be in the upcoming Wicked and Jurassic World films,

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Speaker 1: which are probably two of the most iconic pieces of

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Speaker 1: this conversation is all about being a part of Fellow Travelers,

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Speaker 1: which is a series that centers on the decades long

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Speaker 1: romance between two men who first meet during the height

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Speaker 1: of McCarthyism in the nineteen fifties. The ninety second Street Wyde,

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Speaker 1: they even celebrated their one hundred and fiftieth anniversary this year.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Jonathan to say something that they have never

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Speaker 1: said before.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to be here today. I am

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Speaker 1: so happy to be hanging out with the two of you,

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Speaker 1: Matt and Jonathan. Thank you again for making time for us. Ah,

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Speaker 1: your performances in this series are so beautiful. They're so

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Speaker 1: powerful and mesmerizing. I was watching this series with my

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Speaker 1: husband like ripping the couch the entire time. I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe the art that we were so lucky to watch.

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Speaker 2: For the two of you.

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Speaker 1: How did playing these characters change or affect your sense

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Speaker 1: of self and identity as two gay men? We're going

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Speaker 1: hard first, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, you gotta go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I would just say the way Hawk sort of raged

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Speaker 5: against the machine was so inspiring to me. The way

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Speaker 5: he found his own personal freedoms within a society and

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Speaker 5: a world that told him he didn't deserve them, he

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Speaker 5: cost of all that for him was the loss of love.

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Speaker 5: So I think of real true intimacy openly that you know,

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Speaker 5: he doesn't really get to start his really authentic life

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Speaker 5: until he's sixty five. But I think there's something about

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Speaker 5: his intelligence and in a way of kind of working

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Speaker 5: personal freedoms that was inspiring to me, and also certain

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Speaker 5: aspects of his life that made me very grateful for

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Speaker 5: all that we have living in the times we live

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Speaker 5: in and because of people like that who who fought

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Speaker 5: in their own way to give us these rides today.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's so much that you think you're going to

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Speaker 6: find out purely on the basis of being able to

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Speaker 6: tell a story like this, which you know, obviously I

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Speaker 6: haven't seen before, and the invitation to go back to

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Speaker 6: the fifties and work't your way through to the eighties

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Speaker 6: the eyes of Hawk and obviously Tim as well, And

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Speaker 6: I think I came and came away with so much

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Speaker 6: I've really The way that I definitely am changed is

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Speaker 6: understand exactly how you refer to it as a piece

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Speaker 6: the experience of making it and you're following it, you know,

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Speaker 6: Matt's footsteps and being there to support him and Ron

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Speaker 4: There's no right or wrong choice when you're.

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Speaker 6: Experiencing that level of oppression and constant, you know, crushing

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Speaker 4: I think some sort of courage or a sense of

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Speaker 1: And emotionally, both of your characters deal with such interesting things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for you, Matt, you're playing a very repressed

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Speaker 1: So how did playing your respective characters affect you in

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Speaker 5: Well, I just in terms of playing it, I would

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Speaker 3: It was the opposite of what you usually do. You normally, a.

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Speaker 5: Character's shadow or the darker aspects of themselves are what

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, because you read the script and there's

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Speaker 6: And for you emotionally, like how did you go there?

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Speaker 6: I think that exactly is why Ron wanted.

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Speaker 4: To write this story.

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Speaker 6: It's why he took from the book and expanded into

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Speaker 6: It felt emotional and upsetting and but never for a

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Speaker 5: I felt every decade helped, Like I felt like the

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Speaker 5: And I think that was a testament to the respect

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Speaker 3: It was like there was like a real.

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Speaker 6: And also it was like incredibly I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: But you know, with Noah Angelani.

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Speaker 6: As well, it's the love story, I think in fellow

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Speaker 6: like what it actually means to be on a set

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Speaker 6: where you you're not you know, obviously as a white

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Speaker 6: the Pride Flag, but it made such a difference to

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Speaker 6: also hilarious and so yeah, I think that's that's the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a real aspect of fow and family too,

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Speaker 3: It was It was.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna see you again.

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Speaker 1: That seemed to me so little is said, but so

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Speaker 5: let's really talk about like what's really going on, like

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Speaker 5: what would be this being? What if we tried this

444
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 5: and and then just let it come to life when

445
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 5: they called action. But I feel like those some of

446
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: those sidebar moments we have were really and this is

447
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 5: Ron's writing won the day for everyone involved in this project,

448
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 5: but they were really integral to some of the moments

449
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 5: with and.

450
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Speaker 6: It's because of his detail that there were, you know,

451
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 6: there was so many different way but there's just the nuance.

452
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: It's just it's incredible, isn't it.

453
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 6: Because it's like if you're dancing with someone and you

454
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 6: can freestyle and like you can you know, come together

455
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 6: in freestyle, but then to actually have a choreograph moment

456
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 6: where you both can really just go hang on what

457
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 6: you know, what you what we say?

458
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 4: You know, what are we saying together?

459
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 6: What we're saying as actors about what we think these

460
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 6: gay men will be experiencing all these humans.

461
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the sense of the eight count too, and

462
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 5: just find the freedom in it, you know.

463
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have so many dance metaphors.

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: We're here for it. We're here for them all, keep

465
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: them coming.

466
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Speaker 1: There's so many scenes, as you mentioned that that are

467
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: very you know, intimate and close and you have to

468
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: have so much trust with one another. So what is

469
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: it about one another that makes you feel safe because

470
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: you're really putting your full self into each other's hands.

471
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Speaker 3: Kindness literally and figuratively. Yeah, sense of humor. Yeah, I

472
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: think it's just who Johnny is.

473
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Speaker 5: From the first time we met and we sat down

474
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 5: at that coffee shop which we've talked about, I'm sorry,

475
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: gold Struck Coffee on Cumberland Avenue, loud shout outs to

476
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 5: you in Toronto, and we just we just decided like

477
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 5: we were going to have each other's back. And I

478
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 5: think we both come from the theater initially, and we

479
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: have like a sense of what that process is. And

480
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 5: you know, in theater, when you're in that rehearsal room.

481
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 5: You have to have each other, You have to really

482
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 5: take some bold risks and have each other's back and

483
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 5: be willing to get ugly and fail and make have

484
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 5: bad takes and do things that aren't right. And I

485
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 5: just always had that sense from him, and I feel

486
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: like the intimacy on the show was so well written

487
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 5: that and I've said this before, but the characters were

488
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 5: never the same after an intimacy scene as they were before,

489
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 5: and to me, that's the mark of a really good

490
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 5: intimacy scene that's integral to the story. And it was

491
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 5: such a it was the most I've ever been. First

492
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: of all, I think it's one of the first times

493
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 5: I've not really dissociated when I've been an intimacy scenes

494
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: because it felt like an acting scene to me, because

495
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 5: what they were doing was such a reflection of both

496
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: of their reactions to an oppressive society. Hawk's raging against

497
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: it a need for control and Tim I don't want

498
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 5: to put words in your mouth, but being more willing

499
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 5: to let go and be open to things, and the

500
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 5: way they had this therapeutic way of coming together that

501
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 5: for Hawk especially, it felt like it was the freest

502
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: he ever was in the fifties.

503
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that it's really rewarding to see

504
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: that offscreen relationship. As I mentioned earlier, it's so clear

505
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: it's there, and that's part of the magic is with

506
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: the series you really feel it.

507
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

508
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 6: I also I think with my as well. You have

509
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 6: to remember that he was there from the get go,

510
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: and you were there in the pitch meetings. Ron and

511
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 6: Robbie invited you on board, and so from my experience,

512
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 6: Matt was the Well I spoke to Ron first, but

513
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 6: you know, we had a screen test, and in terms

514
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 6: of leadership, you don't get better really than Matt because

515
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 6: there's no sense of hierarchy. But it was just an

516
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 6: ever present. It was just always really fun and the

517
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 6: work was you know, you led with such a bright light.

518
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 6: I think that really allows everyone to have an amazing time,

519
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 6: and you need that in a leader of a series

520
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 6: like this.

521
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 3: It was really Ron. You know.

522
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: No, I'll tell you why because I was so and

523
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: I've talked about this too. I'm sorry I was cynical

524
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 5: about this. Initially, I was nan cynical. I was doubtful,

525
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 5: and I was trying to protect my own heart because

526
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 5: I love the story so much, I was trying to

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: protect myself from the disappointment of it nah going. But

528
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 5: the first time I read one of Ron's scripts, I thought,

529
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 5: they're going to make this show, I guess really to

530
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 5: happen because his writing was just it was undeniable, and

531
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: he was there for pretty much every take of every

532
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 5: scene we did, and I looked to him, and when

533
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 5: I was, you know, exhausted on our sixty whatever of

534
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 5: the week, I looked to Ron and this guy was

535
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 5: just like, you could see this was his baby and.

536
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: You needed to treat it as such. You know.

537
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 6: It was so inspiring, right, And also you can make

538
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 6: huge you can make big swings when you've got someone

539
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 6: like Ron, like just completely looking.

540
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: Out for you and it.

541
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 6: And my gosh, does he love the characters if it's

542
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 6: I'm not even sure it's.

543
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: Possible more than us, but he does.

544
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 6: And I remember on Fire Island when we'd done three

545
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 6: episodes in the fifties, and I do remember that was

546
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 6: the one time I sat by the pool outside and

547
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 6: I'd gotten, you know, my tash on, and I was like,

548
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 6: is this gonna'? I was like, I know, how do

549
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 6: you stitch? You know, how do you carry the spirit

550
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 6: forward of and he just said, Johnny, he said, you do,

551
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 6: you do your thing. But He's like, I've got the story,

552
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 6: I've got.

553
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: It in my you know, and I walk construct it.

554
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 6: And it really is true that his it's his construction

555
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 6: of that story, in the writing of it, in the

556
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 6: conception of it, but in also the day to day

557
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 6: filming of it. When then the edit you know so much.

558
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 6: And also there were so many details as well, interestingly

559
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 6: that did you know that weren't involved in the final story,

560
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 6: which just shows how much of a wealth there is

561
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 6: in his brain about these And I have no idea

562
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 6: how you do that, but it felt it. Yeah, it

563
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 6: felt like, you know, having watched the Olympics called weeks ago,

564
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 6: it's like having one of those spotters doing when you're

565
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 6: doing the gymnastics, and you just know you're going to

566
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 6: get caught, So why not go for the Simone bars

567
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 6: number three?

568
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

569
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Matt, you mentioned feeling a little.

570
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: Number three.

571
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: We love we love Simone Biles moment.

572
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: She's from my hometown's brain.

573
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Is she really all right?

574
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: I want to pick up on what you just said,

575
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: though for a minute you felt a little almost cynical

576
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: in the beginning, that this wouldn't actually happen, right, Did

577
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: you think that the world maybe wouldn't it be ready

578
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: for a story like this?

579
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: Did you have that fear again?

580
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: And it's my fault, but I feel like maybe cynical

581
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: is the wrong word.

582
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: Doubtful might be more accurate.

583
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 5: And again I was self protecting, admittedly, but I thought, Okay,

584
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: I knew how much money it would take to make

585
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: a period piece, and I thought, are they really going

586
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: to put the money into all this? And are they

587
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: really going to let it be an LGBTQIA plus love story?

588
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: And then are they going to let members of our

589
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 5: community actually be at the creative helm of that story?

590
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: Like I just I don't.

591
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 5: I couldn't recall seeing a lot of things out there

592
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: in the world like that.

593
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: So I was just doubtful.

594
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 5: But you know, we were so blessed to be at

595
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: showtime and ultimately Paramount Plus and Fremantle, because you know,

596
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 5: when you're developing things, a lot of times you get

597
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: these really restrictive notes like, oh, yeah, don't do that,

598
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: that's going to alienate this part of the audience.

599
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Don't do that.

600
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: You know women aren't going to like that, or you know,

601
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: you get those kinds of notes, and they.

602
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: Were the polar opposite.

603
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: They were like, go farther, embarrass yourself, push yourself, scare yourself.

604
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: We dare you to push this as far as you can.

605
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: We're like what And so I feel like that sense

606
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: of permission like bled all the way over into our work.

607
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: As actors as well.

608
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 5: Or we could just jump off a cliff and I

609
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: knew Johnny would catch me and if it was you know,

610
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 5: or or Ron would edit it out or whatever we'd

611
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: have to do. You know, he can spind me like Simone.

612
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: And but yeah, it all did. Yeah, Like I don't know,

613
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: we were just very we were just I was so

614
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 5: moved and inspired by the fact that we had people

615
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: who weren't all members of our community, who were there

616
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 5: with the power, with the decision making capability to say.

617
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: No, we believe in you.

618
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: Go go further tell your story to the furthest extent

619
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: that you can. That you know, obliterated every amount of

620
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: cynicism I ever had, honestly.

621
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: Well to be a part of a show that not

622
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: only is credited with saving people's lives literally, it's there's

623
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: so many stories of people who write about that to

624
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: also healing families and relationships. To your point, it's not

625
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: just for people in the community, it's literally healing a

626
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: world of people through your work, which I think is

627
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: a huge testament. And thank god this series was made.

628
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Am I right? Thank God? Thank god? All right, boys,

629
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: we got some fan questions up in here.

630
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: Are you ready for them?

631
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm not responsible for anything that's about to

632
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: come out of my mouth.

633
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Peter H. Peter, thank you for your question.

634
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: What is something in today's world that you wish your

635
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: characters would be able to see or experiences? Congrats on

636
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the Immy nominations.

637
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: Him would be living his best life?

638
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he would.

639
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he would be so proud of bits

640
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 6: of you know, how communities progressed.

641
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: My goodness, what question. God, there's so much I mean,

642
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: he yeah, there's so much.

643
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean he would.

644
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 6: I mean the fact that I think for him it

645
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 6: would be about education and about the inclusion of queerness

646
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 6: and gayness in schools I think, which I know you

647
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 6: know we still have in the UK. But I think

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 6: he'd be incredibly proud. I mean, there's such an earnest response.

649
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, he'd I think he would just love gay

650
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 6: marriage and to be able to be with He's so

651
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 6: he loved so fiercely, and I think, yeah, he would

652
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 6: have wanted to stand by someone and to be able

653
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 6: to let go of all that shame, I think and

654
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 6: he would have done as well.

655
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: I would love to see a photo album, just a

656
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: bunch of different weddings like enjoying it all.

657
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go to Ernest Draught too.

658
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 5: I would say it would be so beautiful for Hawk

659
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: to get to see a world where he could have

660
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 5: everything that he thought he needed to sacrifice everything to have,

661
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 5: but also not have to sacrifice any.

662
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: Of that to have it. Does that make sense?

663
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: A world where he could have the job in the government,

664
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: have the life in Italy, also have the love of

665
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: his life, and also not have to feel like just

666
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 5: kissing him in public wasn't a completely revolutionary.

667
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Act, beautifully said?

668
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 1: All right, Laura, Laura's up next, Matt, what was your

669
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: favorite scene or performance of Jonathan's And Jonathan what was

670
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: your favorite of Matt's?

671
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: I can answer that.

672
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 6: Sorry, my mind is blown with the performance of the

673
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 6: polygraph test. I just think it's one of the most

674
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 6: stunning sequences performed on TV. I do I really, I think,

675
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 6: how do you do that? There's nothing seemingly happening physically,

676
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 6: but you know exactly what is going on, and the

677
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 6: building pressure and everything that Hawk is as an animal

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 6: is featured in that sequence, and I think, yeah, I

679
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: think it's beautiful, and yeah, you can't really compare it

680
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 6: to sort of thing.

681
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 5: I think it's it's very kind of you to say

682
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: we had an amazing director who I feel like did

683
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: so much of that work. But but but yeah, thank you, thank.

684
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: You, compliments got it honestly.

685
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: I mean it's so hard for me to pick just

686
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 5: one because Johnny was so brilliant and so many of

687
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 5: our scenes and just the what he would bring to

688
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: the table would force me into the moment and bring

689
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: me right there with him, and I just feel like

690
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 5: a lot of it, and I'll just go sequentially, Okay,

691
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: the fifties when you wrote when you when you hung

692
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 5: out of the party and I make you write the letter.

693
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 5: I mean, just seeing everything his character was going through,

694
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 5: but also having to like steal myself from that was

695
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 5: like one of the hardest things I've ever had here. Yes,

696
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 5: that and just the subtlety and the nuance of seeing

697
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: this lost kid who was so ahead of his time.

698
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: It was just all written across your face. And you know,

699
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 5: I loved you in the seventies.

700
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people did, just saying.

701
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, but also just the beauty of what he had

702
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 5: brought from the sixties, because I knew what happened in

703
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: the sixties and I saw him bring that in in

704
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: the seventies and was like, it was the first time

705
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 5: I saw you was like a fully realized man and.

706
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: It was like whoa it was. It just it just

707
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: brought me right into the scene.

708
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 6: Because with the first scene we shot in the seventies,

709
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 6: what was our sort of day trip to the beach

710
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 6: where was the book? And he checks in on Hawk

711
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 6: and he's sort of studying and you come out to sea. Yeah,

712
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 6: I remember likewise seeing you know that it was unbelievably moved,

713
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: Like the sort of the spiraling of Hawk was ovident.

714
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: But we hadn't seen each other until we got to

715
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: the beach.

716
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 5: Yes, and I remember that it was another one of

717
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: those scenes that you're talking about that Ron writes, it's

718
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: so unexpected in such a judged to position emotionally, because

719
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: Hawk at the time is like flirting with death, trying

720
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 5: to kill himself and see if he has the courage

721
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 5: to swim out far enough that he can't make it back.

722
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: And he pushes himself that day, and then he gets

723
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: to the beach and there's the love of his life

724
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 5: waiting for him, who like brings him back to life.

725
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: And there's also something about him at that point has

726
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 6: developed the ability to sit and observe and not.

727
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: By his emotions.

728
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: And yes, it's.

729
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 6: So interesting when the person that you that knows you intimately,

730
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 6: you can't hide behind it. And at that point Hawk

731
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 6: is just with all tension, it's holding on to try

732
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 6: some semblance of being okay, and Tim can just see,

733
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 6: which I think is powerful.

734
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting up here grinning like a fool,

735
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: because how satisfying is that to hear them talk about

736
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: these scenes that we've been watching and loving right for

737
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: so long. It's truly amazing to hear you, you know,

738
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of pick them apart in that way. All right, Nicole,

739
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: see as well.

740
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: I have to say one other scene. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, y'all. Sorry, Nicole, sorry,

741
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: the last scene we had together in the eighties.

742
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, outside the strength and the poignancy.

743
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: You don't understand how great an actor you have to

744
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: be to play Tim in that scene and not lean

745
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 5: into the sentimentality too far, but have it be earned

746
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: and just come from the soul and just come through

747
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 5: the eyes so beautifully in such a human way that

748
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: it really would was like, wow, that's like the degree

749
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: of difficulty on that is unheard of, and just it

750
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 5: was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

751
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: Is really that is wrong? That is that really is?

752
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 6: You know, technically in a scene like that, I remember

753
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 6: we cross shot that.

754
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: Do you remember by that?

755
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: And so basically what you see is a live reaction

756
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 6: because you know, you know when you film the scenes

757
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 6: sometimes I don't know, I like what sometimes it's just film,

758
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

759
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: Do you know what? Yeah? So we were both being

760
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: filmed at the same time.

761
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

762
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was so it was silent, you know,

763
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 6: usually there was something it was like a real it

764
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: was like.

765
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 3: A gentle snowfall, yeah moments. Yeah.

766
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

767
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 6: And there was a sequence that wasn't in the finished

768
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 6: edit where Tim and Hawk arrive at the gala. Do

769
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 6: you remember, yes, Yeah, And there was the young activists

770
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 6: that were fighting.

771
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that meantal art to you, huh, Yeah.

772
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: But I mean yeah, it just they rose that, you know,

773
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 6: they rose their fist to Tim, and I think Hawk

774
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 6: sort of acknowledged it, but I mean it was just yeah.

775
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 6: I mean I think that the scene, you know, obviously

776
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 6: the dec you know, that's the you know, that's the

777
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: big operatic moment, I suppose, and I think the whole

778
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 6: crew and everyone it was something there was a simplicity

779
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: to it by that point because all the work's done,

780
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 6: you know, for Tim as well, and that's what's so

781
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 6: they've had their amazing and that's the end of their amazing,

782
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 6: beautiful sort of operatic life romance romance.

783
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: Then that's it.

784
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 6: And I think there was not much more to say,

785
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: and it was clear for Tim for the first time

786
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 6: in his life. And that's to do with that is

787
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 6: literally to do with Ron's experience and his understanding of

788
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 6: you know, his own life, I suppose, but also interpreting

789
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 6: other people's and that's what made it.

790
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: So I think it was. Yeah, I do think.

791
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 6: It was so how you know, the nerve because we

792
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 6: didn't get episode eight for a while, and as we

793
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: were building momentum and you're like, oh my gosh, you

794
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 6: see Noah Jelani and knowing the sort of wealth of

795
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 6: you know, with Allison coming in and getting a sense

796
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 6: of that because it was so me and Matt for

797
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: so long and then you'd see bits you'd be like,

798
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 6: my god, this is and never doubting it, but just

799
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 6: being so excited to see how a master can tie

800
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 6: that all up. And it was amazing how he did it.

801
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 5: And there were a lot of things and flux up

802
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 5: under the very end. Remember there used to be a

803
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 5: milk scene or the milk scene was very different.

804
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 4: Remember what they want?

805
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 5: Yes, well there were many iterations, but are you talking about.

806
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: The candle wax?

807
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: The candle wax?

808
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: A little speechless?

809
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 5: All right, We were finding these things out like a

810
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 5: week before we do them.

811
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: And so it was.

812
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: But Ron had the whole thing mapped out in his

813
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: mind and he knew had a tetris in the perfect

814
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: thing to really bring the full arc of the relationship.

815
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 6: And he knew that it was the aides quill that

816
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 6: he was going to. That that was his vignette that

817
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: I think at points, you know, there were conversations about

818
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 6: they could and different ways, and he was just like

819
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 6: that is how it ends, and I think that was

820
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 6: one of his first images that came to his head

821
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 6: when he considered adapting the novel.

822
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: I just think it's so powerful, the zooming out.

823
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I know it's it brought many people

824
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: to tears, I'm sure of it. Sticking on theme with

825
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: different scene work. This is from Nicole Cea, who's watching

826
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: on the live stream Hawks breakdown on Fire Island and

827
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: the way in which Tim really takes care of him

828
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: is so moving. What was each of your experience like

829
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: filming that.

830
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: I don't know why my.

831
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: Brain goes to I just.

832
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm nervous.

833
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 6: I mean it was so emotionally, it was, you know,

834
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 6: huge and upsetting, and you know, Matt, it's so easy

835
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 6: to obviously as Tim look after Hawk when Matt was

836
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: giving that performance.

837
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: But I do remember your.

838
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: Wig fell off a little bit, wig fell off.

839
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: Your wig fell off?

840
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: Oh I did?

841
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: Oh you put it back one so that they wouldn't

842
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 5: lose the tears coming out of it.

843
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: I was like saying it stay in it. Yeah, but

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: it was because it was you know, it was really.

845
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a handsy scene in many ways. I

846
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 5: you know that honestly, that was the That was one

847
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 5: of the more challenging things I've ever had to do

848
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: in my life. It was obviously so raw emotionally, but

849
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 5: what Destiny did that was kind of a favor to us,

850
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: but was also terrifying.

851
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: There was no like cut between.

852
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 5: We had to play out the whole sex scene all

853
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: the way through the end of the breakdown, so there

854
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 5: was no it's not like they separated out the two,

855
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 5: which was obviously kind of terrifying as a performer, But ultimately,

856
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 5: I think all the drug fueled just bacchanalian desire, and

857
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: it mixed with the anger and the frustration and the

858
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 5: turn and the scene. I think she really did us

859
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: all a great service in that, you know, and that

860
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 5: and that she let us play out the entirety of it.

861
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's another example of Rum's like how you

862
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 6: think the scene, you know, is so indulgent in the

863
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 6: power play between the three of them and the needs

864
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 6: are all so explicit, and then for it to be

865
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 6: for the picture of Jackson to be spotted, I think

866
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: it was that was like a wild ride. But that's

867
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: you know, I just again just you know, you're seeing

868
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 6: you're seeing sort of Lamborghini at work there and you

869
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 6: just sort of you know all Tim has to do,

870
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 6: you know, you just have to listen and be there.

871
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: But it was brutal, but I did feel that I

872
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 5: felt everything that you I felt. That was one of

873
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 5: those moments that we talked about in that coffee shop

874
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 5: where you were there for me on every level, not

875
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: only when we were filming, but when the cameras were

876
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: in between and every everything else. And it is a

877
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: testament to Ron's writing though, because it is so reflective.

878
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's almost the same way with his alcohol intake,

879
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: that you don't come for that secret he harbors or

880
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: he lashes out at you, and it was it was

881
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 5: kind of an echo of that when he has a

882
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: tragic secret, if you try to find it or uncovered,

883
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 5: he attacks.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to finish up with two lighthearted questions

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Speaker 1: from the audience. Began will like to know would Hawk

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Speaker 1: and Skippy support brat Summer?

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Speaker 2: Megan, I love you. What a great question. That's part one.

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Speaker 5: Skippy for sure, right, He's he's like friends with Charlie X.

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Speaker 4: He was at her birthday party.

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Speaker 2: Good day.

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Speaker 4: I think that's basically what Fire Island was for them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Hawk likes watching the Twinks, enjoy Brat Summer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and other people too.

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Speaker 1: But Megie, so I think that answers who is the

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Speaker 1: bigger Bratt.

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Speaker 5: Probably Hawk, Yeah, you and a bust and as people

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Speaker 5: or our characters, I think we should go for both.

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Speaker 3: No, don't make us do that. I don't even know

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Speaker 3: what Bratt Summer means.

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Speaker 2: I don't even.

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure it out. There's a dance

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Speaker 1: on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll learn it and we'll do it and we'll

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Speaker 1: post it. Okay. Last question, and this is I guess

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Speaker 1: a lot of people asked. It's so many names on this,

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Speaker 1: lots of milk questions. Jack and Jonathan, Jonathan, how much

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Speaker 1: milk did you drink? What kind was it?

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Speaker 4: It's oat milk for me.

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Speaker 6: I drank probably about seventeen liters.

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Speaker 1: No, No, do you know what we did that?

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Speaker 4: Really quickly?

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Speaker 3: Did it?

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Speaker 6: I'd taken a half yeah after about yeah, I mean

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Speaker 6: twenty year, seventeen hour day. Yeah, I remember at the

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Speaker 6: beginning of that, knowing that scene that was at the

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Speaker 6: end of the day and you looked down at the

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Speaker 6: cool sheet, like we've done one. We've done one scene

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Speaker 6: and we've got seven to go, and it's like it

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Speaker 6: was literally.

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Speaker 3: Much in the morning. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 6: It was what you know, but yeah, so actually not

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Speaker 6: not that much milk, but it was for me, it

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Speaker 6: was out did you.

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Speaker 5: Mind opportunity to talk about your charity if you want to?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's great audience.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful thing that Jonathan did that parlayed some of

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Speaker 5: the work and awareness we did on the show and

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Speaker 5: turned it into something much bigger and a great way

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Speaker 5: to give back to the community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I do think that's something that was

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Speaker 6: totally inspired by you know, obviously inspired by fellow shovelers,

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Speaker 6: but just the experience of telling the story. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean the T shirt sold out straight away, but

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Speaker 6: I think that's because of Matt's command. Well, the name

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Speaker 6: of the organization is is the Shameless Fund.

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Speaker 1: And we can look online about up looking we can.

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Speaker 6: And it's gonna you know, it will. Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 6: I'm really excited. It feels like a sort of a

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Speaker 6: really interesting way of being able to support multiple charities

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Speaker 6: as we go forward and twenty twenty five over the year,

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Speaker 6: where we can start identifying the grants, but there's amazing

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Speaker 6: ways in doing something because it's kind of over I

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Speaker 6: think when you know, you get asked to get involved

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Speaker 6: with different charities, and I just sort of felt, obviously,

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Speaker 6: you know, you wanted to. There's so many brilliant causes

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Speaker 6: out there, and so wanted to come up with a

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Speaker 6: way that you could disperse and also raise the profile

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Speaker 6: of nonprofits. And because you know, how else do you

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Speaker 6: is this sense of obileilm isn't there with charities anyway?

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Speaker 6: Shameless FUM would be a way that you can support

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Speaker 6: those by, you know, hopefully buying some vibe stuff along

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Speaker 6: the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good on you, you guys. This has been

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Speaker 1: one of the most gratifying interviews I've gotten to do

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Speaker 1: in my career. I love when I get to highlight

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Speaker 1: work that actually says something and that.

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Speaker 2: Means so much to so many people.

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Speaker 1: And to talk to two trailblazers in the community going

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Speaker 1: out there and fighting the good fight through art, because

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Speaker 1: I think nothing is more powerful than that. And I

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Speaker 1: know this whole room is grateful for your gifts and

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Speaker 1: your artistry. I'm so grateful for it. And I think

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Speaker 1: my friend Celesties backstage, I want to celebrate the night

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Speaker 1: and kick it off with a little glass of oat milk.

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Speaker 1: The other character in the series.

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Speaker 2: To these two.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thank you for a beautiful night.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's here, sure, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario.

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