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Speaker 1: origional pockets welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. We're also just taking

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Speaker 1: Meek Mill at his word, like Miek Mill everything about

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about my colleagues right now, Rand with

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson wants to play for the Patriots. According to

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Speaker 1: a rapper, could be Meek Mill heard it from somebody,

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Speaker 1: and it's just passing it a week. Mill is all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Adam Schefter. Brandon writes in UM about frets,

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Speaker 1: and please go ahead and mark where Fred said, I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget the game I forget. I'll never forget that game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I forget. It might be. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it was a preseason game or something,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of you like that that really

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Speaker 1: got you. He's like giggling over there. She's just thinking

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Speaker 1: of little Jack could make Lamar Jackson being Mill has

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Speaker 1: been very overrated as an artist. I'm sorry, I do

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Speaker 1: not listen to Evan's point of view unrap. So okay,

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Speaker 1: this is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Jilett's Stadium,

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Speaker 1: and that means you can see us. Hey, how you doing,

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Speaker 1: and you can see Deuce. I should probably not be

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Speaker 1: texting then, Huh, I forgot I'm doing this. I spy Deuce,

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Speaker 1: I spy Evan, I spy Paul myself, Matt in the booth. No, uh, Tamarrow.

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Speaker 1: She's still recovering from the owners meeting. Duce. No, I

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Speaker 1: She had to follow up by saying that I thought

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Speaker 1: that was that went without saying obviously, ken Rick, I'm

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Speaker 1: When it comes to football, fans are still a buzz

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Speaker 1: about the comments made at the owner's meeting on Monday

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Speaker 1: Robert Craft and Bill Belichick. Since then, Bill Belichick is

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Speaker 1: was a a pro day And I guess Jim McBride

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Speaker 1: Oh wow? And he told Jim, we don't really make

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Speaker 1: fun of other media here on this show. Paul Eyeball

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Speaker 1: McBride that, no, the Patriots are not resting on their laurels.

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Speaker 1: It's not how we've ever done things here and that's

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Speaker 1: still not uh, the brand of Bill Belichick, the Patriot

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Speaker 1: you've had two examples in the last two years of

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Speaker 1: it going both ways. How's it going to go this year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I think we all er faith Yeah, zero,

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Speaker 1: I am, like I said at the beginning, I'm at

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Speaker 1: an all time frustration. So you expect to be apoplectic

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Speaker 1: on your first PU draft show. Absolutely, I disagree. I

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Speaker 1: have I'm optimistic about the draft. I think. I think,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at their guys, when you

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Speaker 1: look at the stuff we've put up on Patriots dot com,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes with Shryne Ball, we're about

434
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Speaker 1: to drop behind the scenes from a combine um that

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Speaker 1: whole thing. There's a lot of young guys in the room,

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Speaker 1: in the personnel room. But did any of them have

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Speaker 1: a say, I just maybe not, but I'm hopeful that,

438
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Speaker 1: led by Matt Grow, a lot of these young guys

439
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Speaker 1: do have a say and that will affect how they draft.

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00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of young guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would wonder, you know, who was, Like how did

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Speaker 1: it all? I mean, I think we all have our

443
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: opinions on how the cold strange of it all went down,

444
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: how the Taekwon Thornton of it all went down. But

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Speaker 1: if it isn't the way we did, you know, how

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Speaker 1: are those picks viewed now? If like, let's say, maybe

447
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Speaker 1: that maybe what people don't think. Maybe it was Macro

448
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: banging the table for cool. I don't know, but you know,

449
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 1: like like is our thing's gonna change? Like I don't

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Speaker 1: know whose picks those were, but I don't think it was.

451
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Speaker 1: And I don't think last year's draft was was the

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Speaker 1: home run that they needed, And now it just puts

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Speaker 1: more pressure on this year. Yep. The one guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like Macro a lot and I like Cam Williams

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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I've gotten to know him a little

456
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Speaker 1: bit at the Shrine Bowl and it's at BC's Pro

457
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Speaker 1: day the other day and he went to Ohio State.

458
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: Cam Williams did play football for the buck Eys linebacker,

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Speaker 1: and they really don't like Ohio State guys in the draft.

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Speaker 1: They never draft buck Eyes. So I made a joke

461
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: about that with him talking to him and Jackson Smith

462
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Speaker 1: and Jigba, Dwan Jones, Paris Johnson's Zach Harris. I mean,

463
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Buckeyes. Every year, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of Buckeyes. But in this draft, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys that fit in their range of the draft that

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Speaker 1: they are going to be on the board, And you

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Speaker 1: just wonder if like one of those things ends up

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Speaker 1: one of those trends ends up breaking because there's a

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Speaker 1: guy in the room that now has Ohio State bloodlines

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Speaker 1: and is pounding the table for js N. So they

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Speaker 1: actually go out and draft a Buckeye. You know who

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Speaker 1: was the last Buckeye that they drafted in the first

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Speaker 1: two rounds? Was it Andy Katz? And I was going

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Speaker 1: to say, that's the only one that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: for me. The only guy that that it was Terry Glenn.

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Speaker 1: So so the only Ohio State guy that I can

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Speaker 1: think of that they drafted anywhere recently was Nate Ebner,

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Speaker 1: and he was a Day three rugby player that they

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Speaker 1: took a special teams flier. He didn't even play Football's

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Speaker 1: Belichick pick that predates Belichick. Oh okay, that was a

481
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll pick. Ebner might be their only Ohio State

482
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Speaker 1: guy that Belichick's ever drafted, which was a very Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is a little lot. I never really thought of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that is a premier program that has

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Speaker 1: been at the top of the game for the entirety

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Speaker 1: of Belichick's tenure. The other one is a Penn State.

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Speaker 1: They don't take Penn State guys either, never have and

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Speaker 1: so Joey Porter Jr. Penn State. Yeah they're going to

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Speaker 1: take a Penn State guy or they not. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's programs like that. You know, everybody connects Iowa to

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Speaker 1: the Patriots because the kirk Ferns, they've taken one Iowa

492
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Speaker 1: player the whole bell I always wondering with these things

493
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Speaker 1: like is it really an aversion to that particular program

494
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Speaker 1: or is it just kind of the way it's worked.

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Speaker 1: It's starting to paying a picture for me that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like the Big ten, which I would agree with

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Speaker 1: him on, but to me, the yeah, the separation would

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Speaker 1: be Ohio State. I would stay away from the Big

499
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Speaker 1: Ten in general, but I wouldn't stay away from Ohio State. No.

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Speaker 1: The best team. Yeah well yeah he and he has

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Speaker 1: drafted Michigan guys. But it's like even to like Cole Strange,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Cole Strange is the pick, all things considered,

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Speaker 1: that broke some kind of trend that you know, like

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Speaker 1: he's never taken small school. They never taking a power

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Speaker 1: five linemen until uh Strange or nonpower five linemen in

506
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Speaker 1: years until until Strange, so that that was definitely a

507
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Speaker 1: strange a trend. Well, call me a sucker, but I'm

508
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Speaker 1: I'm always optimistic in this respect. I am too though

509
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: I have that I still have that cock eyed optimist

510
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Speaker 1: about the draft, just because I like the energy of

511
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Speaker 1: getting new young players in, even if they're not the

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Speaker 1: guys you totally wanted. And I and this is cold

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Speaker 1: Strange a great example of just a guy that a

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Speaker 1: football aside. It's it's nice to get these guys who

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Speaker 1: are good, young, tough football players in. Maybe it's not

516
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Speaker 1: where people want, it's I I am remaining optimistic about it.

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Speaker 1: I have to be down, Like listen that the recent

518
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Speaker 1: track record is what it is, and it's not really

519
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Speaker 1: I mean the side of the wall. Guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Jerry Thornton's will defend it. I won't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been good the last five or six years.

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Speaker 1: You know, generally they've had some good draft picks. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not as down on Belichick in general the draft

524
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Speaker 1: or as a lot of other people. Andy used to

525
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: yell at me all the time. Yeah, it was called

526
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Speaker 1: him a very good drafter andany like wanted to come

527
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: across the table at me, like it's intense. You know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'd have to take the very away from it

529
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: now because of what's happened in the last four or

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Speaker 1: five years. But I think there has been enough examples

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Speaker 1: of him really having strong draft classes that and I again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was Poli. I don't think it

533
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Speaker 1: was Cassio. I don't think it's you know, Ziegler, and

534
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Matt grow I think it's Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought that, and I always will until he's

536
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Speaker 1: no longer in that job. Yeah, but I think to

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Speaker 1: that point though, Paul, I mean, look at like the

538
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft, now it's just like as you're getting

539
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: post Brady, like that's that's a death sentence. I can't

540
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Speaker 1: due the death sentence. I can't argue and I argue everything.

541
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: I can't argue this. And it hasn't been good lately.

542
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: And there you know, I'm sure that you could go

543
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: back into the early two thousands and you know that

544
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: draft stunk, you know, and I'm sure that there were

545
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: a couple, but it's just unfortunately the timing of it

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: all when you when you lost Brady, this is when

547
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Speaker 1: you needed to hit home run out of the drafts

548
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: is that I can't. I can't get on them. If

549
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: they take Zay Flowers in the first round and he

550
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: ends up being bad, he ends up being a bust

551
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: because you get it, can't be can't get on them like, Okay,

552
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: you drafted a name, a name brand guy who's a

553
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: first round pick from everybody's board and he just didn't

554
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: work out, Like okay, fine, but we're not in the

555
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: in the time anymore where they can go off the

556
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: beaten path like they did last year with Cole Stranger,

557
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: even like they did with Devin mccordy. I thought that

558
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: was really interesting from his retirement press conference, talking about

559
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: how he really wasn't a consensus first round guy when

560
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: they took him, but they had they they're there, you know,

561
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: they were able to take those risks back then and

562
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: and able to take guys that I think what he's

563
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: good at, you know, Bill is taking guys that fit

564
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: the program, that that fit a specific role in the system.

565
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Like we know that this guy's gonna do this, this

566
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: and this, and he's gonna play here. But they need

567
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: guys that are just transcendent talents that that are just

568
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: elite talents that doesn't matter where you plug them in.

569
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're playing here, if they're playing

570
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: in a West Coast system or a spread scheme, whatever.

571
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: They're just good football players and they're gonna be good

572
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: football players anyway. It's almost like you get in trouble

573
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: with the draft when blank and one of those answers

574
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: is when you overthink it, Yeah, when you overthink it, yeah,

575
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, and I would say that

576
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: trading up and down, and obviously you have to do

577
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: your diligence. You have to look into the past, you

578
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: have to look into character, you have to you know,

579
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: you can't overthink that. But when you overthink the tape.

580
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: But one of the one of the overthoughts for him

581
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: is what Mike just kind of touched on. And I

582
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with trading and moving around, but

583
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: I think that they have the idea of trading for

584
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: them is I think, and this is not anything I

585
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: have any proof of, specifically with the mindset of I

586
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: like three or four players, I'm going to move down.

587
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: One of them is going to be available. And I

588
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: don't like that idea because I don't ever think guys

589
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: are the same. Yeah, like I'm not okay if I

590
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: can get Mike, Paul or Evan at twenty nine instead

591
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: of twenty one. I don't like that that philosophy, and

592
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I think Bill adheres to it. I think, I don't know,

593
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I think he does. See I don't mind that. I

594
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: think one of them out of Mike, Evan and Paul

595
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: is the pick. But as we take them as don't

596
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: roll the dice that they're going to be available as

597
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: long as your evaluation is sound, if it's true what

598
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: you're saying, that's good, and then I can get one

599
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: of those guys and another pack. And I think they

600
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: are I mean, I'm not going to give you all

601
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the examples because again I don't have definitive proof, but

602
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I think there are examples when they've done that and

603
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: it's really hurt. Yeah, and I think one of them

604
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: happened last year in the first round. Yeah, and then

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I could argue, Okay, their their evaluation wasn't sound like

606
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: they were wrong in the fact that they could get

607
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: equal value later they were wrong. But I would say

608
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: that for you know, just on surface, the higher you pick,

609
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: the better the player. So it's not even it's like

610
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: to me, it's a philosophy that's wrong. Like if you

611
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: you can sit there and say they're all the same,

612
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: they're not all the same. And Bill tells you that

613
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: that they're not all the same. He says it all

614
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: the time, just like he says players are never staying

615
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: the same from one year. Then you're either getting better

616
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: or you're getting worse. You're not staying the same. So

617
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: why does he think what doesn't really matter which guy

618
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Speaker 1: I get. I trust you, you're the greatest coach who's

619
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: ever played, I mean coached. I trust you to pick

620
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: the guy that is better, right, and then but then

621
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: the more talented guy that's the guy I want. The

622
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: only time I like disagree is like you probably could

623
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Speaker 1: have gotten an equivalent the cold strange if and then

624
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Speaker 1: he's probably not a great example because I think that

625
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: that was a that was a panic reach, is what

626
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, okay, but like I think

627
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: there's been examples where he's just decided like it doesn't matter, like, yeah,

628
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: I might need a corner, I might need one of

629
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: those guys would be available, and then I'll take ROSSI dalling,

630
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, because he was available. Well, like you know,

631
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you've heard it. I think I've

632
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: heard the saying trust your board. You know you you

633
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: you spend all this offseason and really the whole season

634
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: before building a board, and once you get to draft day,

635
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: trusted trust it. If you've got these three guys stacked,

636
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: trust your board. You know, don't because we do stack

637
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: it vertically. But don't throw away, don't throw away all

638
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: the work that you've done to build that board on

639
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: draft day because for a panic reach or you know whatever.

640
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Trust your board because there's been a lot of work

641
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: that went into building that board. Yeah it was work.

642
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: And what board, because that's that's the problem. To me,

643
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: it just looking at it from an out, you know,

644
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: outside perspective. I admit, I, like Paul says, I have

645
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: no inside information on this whatsoever. But I would bet

646
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot of money that Macro's board and Bill Belichick's

647
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: board do not look the same. I disagree. I think

648
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: it's one board. I think it's one board with Bill

649
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: making the ultimate decision. I think that the I can't

650
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: envision a scenario where the conversations that I'm able to

651
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: have with mac row that that man thought that Cole

652
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Strange was the right pick in the first round last year.

653
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: I can't have that. And Bill loved, clearly loved him

654
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: and took him. I mean, maybe Bill has like a

655
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: little scrap a piece of paper with his own thing.

656
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: But when we go in with our cameras on draft day,

657
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: there's one board. That there's one board, and Bill ultimately

658
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: sets it. Yeah, but I think Evan's point is if

659
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: they were going in with one board and it was

660
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: up to Matt grow it wouldn't look the same as

661
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: the one that they go in. I didn't say it

662
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: was up to I just said it's up to Bill. No, No,

663
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I no, I get that. Yeah, But when you know

664
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for you now, you're when when when Evan's

665
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: saying I think mac Row would have a board that

666
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: looks a lot different than Bill's, he's not suggesting they

667
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: go in with two different boards. And mac Row says, no,

668
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: we should take this guy because I have him here,

669
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: And Bill says, no, I'm going to override you. No.

670
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Bill ultimately decides, and he might have guys that are

671
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: way differently ranked than than mac Gerel. Would I think

672
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: any two people's boards should be different. How could you

673
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: possibly have the same board as Moss different so any

674
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: two people could look at three hundred prospects and rank

675
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: them differently. I don't know if you'll agree with this, Evan,

676
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: but I like from my experience, you know, I screw around.

677
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: I get like, you know, start putting my big board

678
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: together and who I like and all those things. And

679
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: then I'm like, Card, I'm gonna stick to my big

680
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: board and this mock draft. And then I get to

681
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: the dude the like you know, mock draft stimulation. I'm like,

682
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I can't draft that guy at fourteen, you know, like

683
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: it always kind of works out that way that you're like,

684
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: that's why I would be terrible at it because every

685
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: time I'm on the board, I look like I don't

686
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: want any of the right I know, and I think

687
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: that's what Bill does any trades down right, I think

688
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: that's exactly how we get in trouble. It's funny. I mean,

689
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: it's it's they just they need to figure it out

690
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: this year. And I mean, but I can't help. But

691
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: like I gotta bring it up though, Like shouldn't Bill

692
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: have to control of the board, like you know what

693
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, like I'm not he should know he should. Yes, No,

694
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: he's the head coach, I mean, and GM it comes

695
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: down to him. I fred, He's put together pretty successful

696
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: programs over the past twenty years. He should he It

697
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: should all come down to him. But it all it

698
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: all comes down to, like how much faith does he

699
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: put in his scouting department? You know, you know, is

700
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: he is he willing to go with their opinion. I'm

701
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: under the opinion that I agree with Paul, Like everybody

702
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: has different opinions and the same player. But by the

703
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: time draft day comes, all those opinions should be in

704
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the barn. Yes, you know, like by that time we

705
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: should have a consensus. Is what Bill says, but it's Bills. Yeah,

706
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I know he overrides, well I think he he but

707
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: he might override during the process, but by the time

708
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: you get to draft day, the overriding has been done

709
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: because the decision, because you're saying, Fred, he's not looking

710
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: at that board that's in their room, that is set

711
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and they get to their pick and there's the guy

712
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: that should be and Bill says, you know what, Actually,

713
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys right right, yeah, we're gonna skip the ninth guy.

714
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: He puts twenty one ahead of men. It's already go

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: in there. And then that's why you see Macrow just

716
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: do Yeah. And I don't listen. I have more faith

717
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: in Bill than obviously Evan Listen the best example, and

718
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: it's indisputable. I don't I don't care what anyone cas

719
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: It is just like a whole world evolution change. But

720
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm defending. But the indisputable evidence of that, no matter

721
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: what Bill says or anyone else, is during the Rutgers

722
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: years with Siano, Yeah, Bill put Devin mccordy above everybody else.

723
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, you know, or to Ron Harmon,

724
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: But I I think I gave you the information there

725
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: on on that draft though that I gave you the facts.

726
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Like Bill loves to say, you know the one of

727
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: us she drafts, Well, No, actually, Bill, there was thirty

728
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: five draft x Rich that would pull. The worst grade

729
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: that you got was a bee, but first grade. But

730
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: if my point, Devin mccordy by all accounts was a

731
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: late first early second round prospect. But my point is

732
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: if anyone where they took him, My point is if

733
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: anyone in the room liked other people over Devin mccordy,

734
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Bill over Row with that, Yeah, yes, and you know

735
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: the same with a lot of those Rutgers guys. He's lost,

736
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: he's lost that dost trust from me. What I would

737
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: like to see, That's what I would like to see

738
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: happen is Bill goes to macro and says, Matt, I

739
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: need a receiver, I need a tackle, and I need

740
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: a corner because that was our That's what I need

741
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: to to turn this team around right now. And I

742
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: want Grow picking up the players because I don't you

743
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: just want somebody other than Bill or is this something

744
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: about Grow that you like? Because I have not been

745
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: impressed with the way Grows speaks after these drafts. I

746
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: haven't been really impressed with a lot of the grow factor.

747
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I think grow Cam Williams. I won't put Elliott in

748
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: this category because think Elliot Wolf is more pro Cam

749
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Williams more more pro personnel guy Dead and Draft, but

750
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe him a little bit too. I think the two

751
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: of them, though, especially Cam Williams and Macro, I think

752
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: that they understand the game in twenty twenty three a

753
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: little bit better than Bill does. I think that that's

754
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: probably fair. I didn't like the way, um, grow you

755
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: know this is gonna be funny, goofy guy funny coming

756
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: from me. I didn't like the way he snarkily sort

757
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: of chastised us all about you're grinding the tape on

758
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: one that remember that last year. There's been little things

759
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: like that that I like. Was that you that he

760
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: said it to him. No, it wasn't, probably should have been,

761
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't mean that if it was,

762
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: because I wasn't even in the room. I was listening,

763
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: because we would do in the show when we were

764
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: hearing all that stuff, so we're not even in the room.

765
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: But like, I didn't like the way he taught Like

766
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: I think he he uses a lot of like punchline,

767
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: like a lot of punch words, you know, like you know,

768
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: you you want to want to want to be faster

769
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: as a team, you go to draft fast, Like, yeah,

770
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: he defended the picks last year. He definitely did. He did.

771
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: He went to bad for all of those picks because

772
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of us were but kind of like finger

773
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: wagging as he was defending him, you know, like that's fair.

774
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: I think when all of us wanted George Pickens and

775
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: they take Taekwon Thornton. So then we get into these

776
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: press conferences and it's like, okay, well why did you

777
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: take Taykwon Thornton over the consensus guys? You know George

778
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: Pickens sky more, you know, and then he mocked or

779
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: whatever for you know, it's like it's like Colonel Jessup, like, yeah,

780
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, questions the way I provided, Really, I just

781
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: rather have you say thank you and beyond with it,

782
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry. Like a lot of people, ever included,

783
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of work on these draft picks, and

784
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: they have like some thoughts and opinions are they not

785
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: allowed to express them? But just because I don't, it

786
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that nobody else does, especially based off of

787
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: what's happened recently where they don't have the trust anymore

788
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: to be like we're always you have five or six

789
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: years in a row where you have like one and

790
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: a half, you know, reasonably good drafts. That's that's how

791
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: you put it. That's it right there, you know. I'm like,

792
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: I think the twenty draft is looking better probably now

793
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: than it did last year at this time. You know,

794
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: with Ucha's ascension down the stretch last year, and when

795
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: You's been good, Dougger's been solid, that's a good drafty.

796
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: And then I don't think the next year. I don't

797
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: think the next year's draft looked as good as it

798
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: did last year at this time. I know. But with

799
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: Mack and Barmore. Yeah, but I'm still high on Barmore.

800
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: You can still be high on them, but you have

801
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: to be less high than you were last year. But

802
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: even when even those pick because of injury or yeah,

803
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: even but the twenty twenty and twenty twenty one draft,

804
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: both of those drafts, I know people are gonna say, well,

805
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Dugger played at Lenora. Dugger was a top fifty prospect

806
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: in that draft. Yeah, another one that was not drafted

807
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: away from where everybody thought he was projected. People make

808
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: that out to be a cold, strange pick, not like

809
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: look and he did when when you guys all laughed

810
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: when he took No, we didn't. No, No, he was

811
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, by everybody's account, I look

812
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: at the way other people stacked the board, not the

813
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: way I stacked. So everybody had him in the second right.

814
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: So my point is, is there two best drafts of

815
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: the last lest call at half decade or when they

816
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: went by the board when they said dugger Josh ucha

817
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: on when it in the sixth round was a steel

818
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, we all a lot of

819
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: us that do all this homework on it. You know,

820
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I had I thought on when it was going to

821
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: potentially be a fourth or you know, third or fourth

822
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: round pick. They get him in the sixth great pick.

823
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: And then the next year Mac Barmore, Ramandre, even Ronnie Perkins,

824
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: who hasn't been you know, panned out was a guy

825
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: that all of us had, you know, were third round

826
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and they went Alabama, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, And everybody was like,

827
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: thank you, right, are you're taking quality players from quality programs? Correct?

828
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Why Why is that so hard? Why why do we

829
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: have to have a draft like last year where where

830
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: you just go completely off the reservation, like, why can't

831
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: we just stick to the board, And I under it's

832
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: not just to please us, like, it's also just because

833
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: more times than not, the guys that played at those

834
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: blue blood programs end up being the best players. Yeah.

835
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: And when you look at the way a lot of

836
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: people have these things rated, and I'm saying it's there's

837
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: no guarantees, and if the guys that are doing the

838
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: projections were perfect, they probably be working for teams. So

839
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: I understand that. But to Evan's point, you have a

840
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: guy like a when you who a lot of people

841
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: thought was going to be a round or two higher,

842
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: well you get excited about that. Conversely, when you take

843
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Cole Strange three rounds before everybody had him going, that's

844
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: that's a red flag, like why did everybody else have

845
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: him going so much later than you picked him? Yeah,

846
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: and then when he gets by the coach, not by Paul.

847
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: The coach took him out of three different games because

848
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: he was struggling. I'm sorry, that looks like a bad pick. Now,

849
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: does that mean he's a bust? No? One year in

850
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: just like I don't like to just automatically declare a

851
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: guy who makes a has a good rookie year a

852
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: home run because it's one year. You have to wait

853
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: and see what happens over the court. You know, does

854
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: he get the second contract? That to me is kind

855
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: of what you're looking for. Yeah, like you know, is

856
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Josh j gonna get a second contract? It's just it's

857
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: just I don't know. It's just so hard at the

858
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: point that they are though, because it's like, even if

859
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: they absolutely hit the col Strange pick out of the park,

860
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: what difference does it make last year? That that's a

861
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Paul argument for a different day. Like, you know, I'm

862
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: more different. I need difference making players, you know, special,

863
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, planet kind of players I want to take with.

864
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: That's what they need. They need difference makers talent and

865
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the best the best guard isn't gonna be And I'm

866
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: sorry to all the guards out there, but that's always

867
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: the position. I'm like, my son plays guard. You can

868
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: get a guard that was pick even at the time,

869
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: and nothing to do with cold Strange. It's just that

870
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: you needed a premium talent at a premium position, and

871
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: you took a guard in the first round. And my

872
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: my take at the time was you go into Buffalo

873
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: next year, is Cole Strange gonna gonna help you beat

874
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: the Bills? What would your reaction to bent they got

875
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: to Zion Johnson and that and that because he was

876
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: the guy that's supposed to be there, I would feel

877
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: better about it, but I just still feel I would

878
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I would say, Zion Johnson's not allowing you to go

879
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: into Buffalo and win, right right right, Like I kind

880
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: of think Evans point on that is accurate. And I

881
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: also like Michael Awen you right again, We'll stick with him.

882
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: Sixth round pick. That's where I want to take my lineman,

883
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: especially my interior lineman. I understand that if you want

884
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: a really good left tackle, you've got to invest a

885
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: pretty high pick in it, you know, more than likely.

886
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: But I think you can get the rest of those

887
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: spots in the middle to late rounds and you're gonna

888
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: draft a lot of linemen and most of them aren't

889
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: going to pan out. You're gonna have a lot of

890
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Corey Hilliards and Ted Larson's that go, you know, go

891
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: go their separate ways. But you're gonna hit on a

892
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Michael when you or a Dan Copin and you're gonna

893
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: have good late round offensive lineman that help your team.

894
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, their interior trio for multiple super Bowls was

895
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Tuney Andrews. Mason. Tuney was a third round pick. Shack

896
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick in Andrews draft. Well, at

897
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: that point, even I want to ask you this because

898
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet about Dante's grunning about Roderick Jones,

899
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: and you know, I think you made a good point

900
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter just saying they don't draft you know, a

901
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: guy who only played one year. It's it's experience. But

902
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, like, can we make the argument now though

903
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: that if that guy, even though he's not experienced, that

904
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: he has that blue chip potential, that it's worth taking

905
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: that risk even though he's not the most extreme even

906
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: look at his look at you have to list you

907
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: you actually I miss Matt Lte. Okay, it was because

908
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: you only this is what happens said six and there

909
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: were only five guys there. But the five guys that

910
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: you listed, I would say kind of not the most

911
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: impressive list. Right, So this is where you know draft

912
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: nerd me and predicted me get into battles, because that

913
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: is a that is that tweet was about predicting right

914
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: of what they would do, not what I would necessarily do,

915
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: because I love Roderick Jones, but they like older lineman,

916
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: they like seniors, they like multi year starters, they like

917
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: guys that went to the Senior Bowl, in particular early

918
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: in the draft. Now, I think the rebuttal to it is,

919
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: I think what you were kind of getting at, Mike

920
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: is they've never really had a chance to draft one

921
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: of these Broderick Jones guys because they don't draft that

922
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: high most years. So when they're up this high, maybe

923
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: that changes because they don't necessarily when they're down lower,

924
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: they take the more experienced guys, but when they're up high,

925
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: they take the high upside guy. I don't know, but

926
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones has nineteen starts at Georgia, and his past

927
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: sets are raw. He needs a lot of work in

928
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: terms of his path protection technique and things like that footwork,

929
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: hand usage, you know, all that little nitty gritty stuff.

930
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: So he's a little bit of a project, you know,

931
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: And I think that that's not typically their m O. Yeah,

932
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: And then but then I would just tie it to

933
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: cold strange because I mean, although experienced, still very raw

934
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, so it's like at a

935
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: certain point, Hey, why don't you just bite the bullet on.

936
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna take some this kid like they took cold Strange.

937
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: But you names are it's cold strange, right, yes, Matt Light, Um,

938
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: Nate Solder, Logan Mankins, Sea Bass No, Clem okay, so

939
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: there was another one that we're missing, but you know,

940
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: Clem bust strange. Not a great start, I'd say, Solder okay,

941
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: but nothing more than okay. So right now, Matt Light excellent,

942
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: Logan Mankins more than excellent. Yeah, but I think if

943
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: it'd be one thing, if you use that philosophy, they've

944
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: only done it six times, you'd be like, oh, they

945
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: that must be a tried and true philosophy. They must

946
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: bang it out of the park every time. No, it's

947
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: like a fifty fifty prop Yeah, you know, I mean

948
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: Solder for his for his warts, gave you some Soldier

949
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: was fine, he was okay. But I if I'm going

950
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: to draft the tackle in the first round friend and

951
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Nate's soldier was one of my all time favorite Patriots,

952
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I would I want something better than

953
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: if I'm drafting at seventeen. You know, you think Roderick

954
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: Jones is better than that. I would imagine in terms

955
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: of athletic upside yes, like and he was pretty athletic,

956
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: I have to say. I mean it was like a

957
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: tight end for a while, you know, I was famous,

958
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think Matt has the I used to

959
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: the stupid podcast that we would do. You know, when

960
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: we did Tackles, I gave it the the you know,

961
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: the cheap, cheap punch. Nate Solder not sold and of course,

962
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: what does that mean? What do we do first? We

963
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: draft from in the first round. So I have to

964
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: have that played for me over and over and over again.

965
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: And he turns out to be one of the nicest

966
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: human beings that I've ever come across in that locker room.

967
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I think I might have said it on the show,

968
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: but when we were talking a sea bass in Indie,

969
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: he said he thought Soldier was too tall to play,

970
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: like just a little too tall, had trouble with the

971
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: smaller guys that could get underneath him. And thought that

972
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: was interesting. You know, earlier in the Shum'm sorry, Fred

973
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: one last thing. Earlier in the show, I thought it

974
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: was interesting when you know Evan you talked about like, um,

975
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: you know Bill sometimes is you know, he'll do a

976
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: reach here, or he'll do something a little bit unconventional,

977
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: and I think that that has served him well at

978
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: times in the past. He's taking some guys that I

979
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: used to argue with Fred like, you know, he would say,

980
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: like it's Bill, he's brilliant. You know, Gronk or Sebastian Volmer,

981
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: it'd be another one Sbashion. Volmer is the good outlier

982
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: to this whole thing. So yes, I would argue there

983
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: are twenty eight teams that probably would have loved to

984
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: have taken a chance on a guy like Gronk because

985
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: they see its exactly what everybody else sees. But there's

986
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: only Andy Reid, probably John Harbaugh, Bill Belichick. There's not

987
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: that many guys that are that comfortable that they can

988
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: take a guy who didn't play his last year in

989
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: college because of a serious back injury and say, you

990
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: know what, it doesn't matter if it doesn't pan out,

991
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: doesn't pan out. I'm Bill Belichick. I've won six titles.

992
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: You know at the time, I've won three titles. You

993
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: know where am I going? They're not going to fire

994
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: me whereas you know, Kevin Stefanski can't make that pick

995
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: because he's out of a job if it doesn't pan.

996
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: And that was what last year's draft was with Cole

997
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Strange was one of those we're going to just do

998
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do. Sometimes it doesn't work, you know.

999
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: But I also worked with Gronk, right, But I also

1000
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: just think where the rope is running out on him

1001
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: to have that, I agree that sort of would. I

1002
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: would also like to see draft tendencies on teams where

1003
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: the coach is also the GM verse, where the GM

1004
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: has the power, Like if there's any pattern that you

1005
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: can derive of tendencies, I'm not sure there's a ton

1006
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: of guys like Bill though yeah I have the final say.

1007
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean there are some, but I don't think there's

1008
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Well, I think it's a good example in

1009
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan. I am still not convinced

1010
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: that Trey Lance would have been Kyle Shanahan's pick. Trey

1011
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: Lance feels like a scouting department's pick because of the

1012
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: upside and the athletic tools. I still think to this

1013
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: day that if it was up to Kyle Shanahan, they

1014
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: would have stayed put and taken mac Jones. Well, I

1015
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: think a Tennessee and this year with Rabel, he mean

1016
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: close relationship with John Robinson clearly came, you know, and

1017
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: overbled in coach here. But you know, how does that work?

1018
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like you really have to have a good relationship.

1019
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting where you know you're gonna bring a new

1020
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: guy him, what's his philosophy going to be? How much

1021
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: you know is he gonna work with Vrabel? I just

1022
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: that I'm just off the top of your head. What

1023
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: are the other coaches that have the final say? I

1024
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: don't know, I know, I know there have been over

1025
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: the years. I don't know right at this moment of like,

1026
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: I can't think of one off the top of my head.

1027
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Like in Kansas City, Yeah, I mean Howie Roseman the Eagle. Oh,

1028
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: he was all over the place that the owners mean.

1029
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think of Bill Bryan famously

1030
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: took power. Yes he had he had the control at

1031
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: one point, you know, John Schneider Hasard in Syet. I'm

1032
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: trying to think of the older coaches that might have

1033
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: that that swag, you know, Ozzie Newsom in Da Costa,

1034
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Um, like even the veteran head coaches. Yeah,

1035
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers don't have the final all right, that took

1036
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: over for Kevin Colbert. Right, yeah, yeah, We'll take a

1037
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: break now. I know you're hanging on the phone. Thank

1038
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: you for that. We'll get to you right after this.

1039
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,160
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Speaker 1: So he showed up at the same restaurant, but he

1260
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Speaker 1: wanted to hang out at the bar. He didn't want

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: to hang out at the table. And then he just

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01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: comes back, you know, over to the table and get

1263
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: a corona and order it. And then as soon as

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: they bring it to him, can I just say, I've

1265
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: been here before, and so I know that this one

1266
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: has a hole in it, so could you bring me

1267
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: another one? I had a couple of different those first

1268
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: night we were in Uh, we were in in Arizona.

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01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: The bar had closed a like ten and it was

1270
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 1: like ten oh five, and no socks of course talk

1271
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: them into keeping the bar open. But then like the

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: next day, we were going out to dinner and like,

1273
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: all right, everyone be down here at whatever, seven ten,

1274
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: Like all right, seven time I come walking down, he's

1275
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: he's at the bar. Deuce you want to drink. I'm like,

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01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: I'll just we're going to a party. Like I don't,

1277
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't need to drink here, Like, let's just go

1278
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: to the party. He lives for it, all right, Uh,

1279
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: I promise we get to the phone calls and emails

1280
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: when we come back, and that's what we're gonna do.

1281
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: Eight five five, pass five hundred is the eighth ticket

1282
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: out line. We'll start with Fidel and Tampa. Thank you

1283
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: for holding on. Fidel, Hey, how are you guys? Good? Hey?

1284
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: So I've been holding on to this one thing for

1285
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: all off season, and my biggest thing was I was

1286
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: craft I would say this is Bill's last season if

1287
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs or significant progress wasn't made. Um, the reason

1288
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: why is you made a point Fred like defending Matt

1289
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: Patricia and Bill Belichick kind of saying that, oh maybe

1290
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: it was Bill asking Matt to do offense with Judge

1291
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: for the year while we wait for Bill O'Brien, or

1292
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: it was oh, can you just try it? Or maybe

1293
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: even Matt Patricia volunteering for the position. Either way, if

1294
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: I was Robert Kraft and I saw the performance Joe

1295
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: Judge just had on the Giants going for a QB

1296
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: sneak on third down, or if I saw Matte Patricist's

1297
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: terrible performance with the Lions, I would not entrust my

1298
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: billion dollar franchise have a coach who thinks these are

1299
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: the best two candidates to lead this team. That is like,

1300
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous that we're even excusing that fact this long

1301
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: into it. That was with one reason. Another reason is

1302
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: just the poor drafting. It's like everyone can play GM.

1303
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: I played Madden a couple of times a week, and

1304
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm saying this is Madden or anything.

1305
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying anything like that. But I know I'm not

1306
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: going to draft the guard in the top first or

1307
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: two round. What's the best case scenario that we have

1308
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: is we have a guard who's like, um, what's his

1309
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: name from the Yeah? Yeah, Like the best case scenario

1310
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: perfectly a great guy. Now we're paying a guard twenty

1311
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: plus million dollars a year. We've just stated the fact

1312
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: that our first or three interior guys all for the

1313
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: last like six seven years, so part of our last

1314
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: three year bowls. Now, before we let you go, like

1315
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: what what does? What does? What are the Patriots have

1316
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: to do for you to want to keep Belichick this year?

1317
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: It significant progress? Like I need to see like Mac

1318
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: and the team performing extremely. I don't want to see

1319
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: one hundred yard games, zero touchdown, two picks. I don't

1320
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: want to be seeing that. I don't want to be

1321
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: seeing players missing assignment, running into each other. I wanted

1322
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: to see us to get ten wins minimum, like ten wins, Okay,

1323
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: I want ten wins. I mean I don't know how

1324
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs and have progress. I mean,

1325
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: you have to make the playoffs to show progress. Thanks

1326
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: for doll, Like, thanks for doll. Appreciate the call. Uh yeah,

1327
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: I did notice, by the way, um, the slightly lowering

1328
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: of the bar. Last year at the ONONUS meetings, it

1329
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: was we haven't won a playoff game in three years. Yeah,

1330
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: that's just that. Just now we need to make the playoffs,

1331
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: should we talk about can should I bring up my

1332
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: research this morning? You are you blasting two calls right now?

1333
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just gonna because because the whole

1334
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: twenty five years things, I was like, well, how many

1335
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: playoff teams have, Like, what's the record against playoff teams

1336
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: in the last three years? You know, twenty twenty when

1337
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 1: they played a playoff team in that season? Of course,

1338
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: I asked Paul and he rattled them off exactly. They're

1339
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: nineteen times they've including the Buffalo playoff game that they lost.

1340
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: What do you think the record is? Do you guys

1341
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: know off the top of your nineteen games or nineteen

1342
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: weren't fifteen? Excellent? Fred nailed it too. They're four and

1343
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: fifteen over the last three seasons against playoff teams. And Paul,

1344
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: do you want to run down the four what the

1345
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: the factors were in those four winds? The wins over

1346
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: playoff teams were New Year's Day last year against Miami

1347
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: and Skylar Thompson. Uh. The year before that, it was

1348
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,440
Speaker 1: the Hurricane game in Buffalo, as well as the Tennessee

1349
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: game against Without without anybody, it'd be easier to name

1350
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: the guys that did play then didn't Uh. And then

1351
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: the Cam Newton year, uh in the monsoon here against Baltimore.

1352
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: Those are the four wins over playoff teams. That's I mean,

1353
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: Brady left, I mean, that's what it really is. You know,

1354
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: that's that's what you've been Yep. So that kind of

1355
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: says a lot right there. I mean those are facts,

1356
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, yeah, um, let's go to Chris

1357
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: and Scottsdale. What's up? Oh he didn't hang on, Williams

1358
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: and Pellam thanks for holding on right good? Hey, no problem,

1359
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: no problem. Um. Let me just say I've been a

1360
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: Pictures fan for a long time and just I cannot

1361
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: believe it's like this more dysfunction this off season compared

1362
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: to the regular season when they were just going through

1363
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: all you know, uh, you know with Matt Patricia and

1364
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: Joe Judge and them being office courtineer and all this stuff,

1365
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: and then you have the owner and the coach not

1366
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: on the same page. They don't need to be going

1367
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: through this, we know all seasons. You should be trying

1368
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: to get this team better if you're going with Mac Jones,

1369
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: which evidently that you are, and you should be putting

1370
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: the best time around them. And what's gonna make Max better,

1371
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because mac ain't gonna make

1372
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: nothing too much better. You gotta put things in place,

1373
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: but that's gonna make him better, you know what I'm saying.

1374
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: So I'm just it's it's just blowing my mind with

1375
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: this this nonsense and that mister Kraft putting out, you

1376
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: know about the Lamar Jackson thing with Meek Mills and

1377
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: all that. You know, to Evan, I was just saying

1378
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: to you though, you know, it would have been cool

1379
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: just to have him, But for mister Kraft to say

1380
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: that that was a straight sucker move because you don't

1381
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: own it. You could have did that if he really

1382
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: wanted to you a billion dollars. You know, they're our franchise,

1383
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: you the owner and all you could make moves over.

1384
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, then you could

1385
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: have did it. Period. There's no if answer. But about that, Okay, well,

1386
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: yeah it's and you're right, William, But it's interesting. Robert

1387
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: Kraft never actually said that's what I want. He said

1388
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: Lamar wants it, but it's up to Bill. He never

1389
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: said I hope he comes here or I'd want him.

1390
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: He never he stopped short of that, you know, so

1391
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: I wonder does he does he want him? I don't know,

1392
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but to do what he did

1393
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: really opened up a can of worms. There's no doubt

1394
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, look look what it did. Yeah, yeah,

1395
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: I agree. And now one more thing and that's it. Uh,

1396
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: this this one's dude, dude, you okay, you always say

1397
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: about the draft, the draft to draft, you do know

1398
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: and you are aware that are that Bill Belichick, our coach,

1399
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: basically is having a hard time drafting. You are aware

1400
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: of that though, right? Sure? Okay? And also you know,

1401
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: you know him drafting a guard in the first round,

1402
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: which kind of pissed me off basically, but I was

1403
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: just like, I can't believe you did that. So what

1404
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: give me some faith for going into this draft? That

1405
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: makes you think that he's going to do this right

1406
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: this time? I didn't. I never said that. Why are

1407
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 1: you Why are you going to me like I'm defending

1408
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: to me. I'm the one that said I'm optimistic. I

1409
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: mean and no, not friend, it's it's no, it's it's um,

1410
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: it's duced. It's always due. Because dudes, you always say

1411
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: about the draft, but Evan always tell you that you

1412
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: can't do everything through the draft, you know what I'm saying.

1413
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm a deuce on this for the most part, though.

1414
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: You should do to the draft, though, but just look

1415
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: at the Patriots history. Some of those things will stay done.

1416
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't care what you did twenty five. Well, I

1417
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: think it would be two different things, right to say

1418
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: that he that he thinks that you should build through

1419
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: the draft, but also not necessarily love their drafting like

1420
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: it's those are two separate, separate argument confused by a

1421
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: question though, So I mean are you, I mean, are

1422
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: you trying to say that they should have done more

1423
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: in free agency and that that that's what you feel

1424
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: like it's going to be. The downfall is that they

1425
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: weren't more active, I mean a couple weeks ago. Okay,

1426
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: so let me put it, let me put you like,

1427
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: let me say this way. Then are so well both

1428
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: be on the same page. Okay? Yeah, when we when Bill,

1429
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't want just take the you know whatever, the

1430
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: best pick that's on the board, take it. Don't be

1431
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: reaching for something that's like in the fourth second round

1432
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: when you can get you know somewhere in late why

1433
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: are you just take the pick now? You know what

1434
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't, well will, I don't know if

1435
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: you listen to the first hour of the show. But

1436
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: I think we went through all this and we're all

1437
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: on the same page with you, like I you know,

1438
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: I look, I just I'm actually on the page with

1439
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: with you. Guys. I think you you need to be

1440
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: excited heading into a draft. I mean, especially when you

1441
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of picks. Now I know they don't

1442
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of high picks, but they need they

1443
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: need to start stacking drafts. And like the day that

1444
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: you just give up on drafting, well, like what why

1445
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: are you even doing it? If you're just going to

1446
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: assume that you're not going to need those guys on

1447
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: those early contracts contributing and the need to draft, Well,

1448
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: they need but there's another part of it. He needs

1449
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: to play them. Yeah, Like you know, Evan, you brought

1450
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: up something early about Zay Flowers. If they go if

1451
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: they draft save Flowers and and you know you won't

1452
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: be able to criticize it. Thanks, that's part of the equation, right,

1453
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: draft a guy that everybody thinks fills a need, talented player. Okay,

1454
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: everybody's on board. Well, now you have to develop them,

1455
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: and you have to let them play. I think that

1456
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: there's been a reluctance for Bill to let these young

1457
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: guys play and take advantage of that rookie contract. You know,

1458
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: look at you know, some of the examples of guys

1459
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: over the years that you know it's like a year

1460
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: or a year plus into his career before he gets

1461
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: meaningful playing of time. How long did I rant to

1462
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: you Romandri Stevenson fumbled in his first game as a

1463
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: pro and got put on ice for like five weeks,

1464
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: Like what good is that? Yeah? Yeah, And I felt

1465
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: a little bit last year like they it felt like

1466
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: they were making some effort to get guys more involved

1467
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: than in anything. I think they've done a better job

1468
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: of it late lately. I mean, Marcus Jones wasn't out

1469
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: of the gate, he was recovering from shoulder surgeries. But

1470
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all of a sudden, he's got

1471
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: offensive plays. He's returning pts like couldn't see the field

1472
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: for so you know, Jack Jones got out there, he

1473
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: got to play, you know, more so in the beginning

1474
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: of the year. I think he's been better at it lately.

1475
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, like Barmore played you know, I think he's

1476
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: been better obviously, mac Um. I think he has been

1477
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: better at it lately than maybe he was three or

1478
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: four years ago. But I think you have to be

1479
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: you have to let and you have to develop him,

1480
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: I think, as much as I hate giving him credit,

1481
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: Ben Voland had a good piece last year late in

1482
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: the year about the draft and saying like, we can

1483
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: criticize the drafting, and that's fair, but you know, the

1484
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: whole wide receiver thing, like they haven't developed these wide

1485
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: receivers either, So it's not just like, well they've taken

1486
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: to Kiel Harry and he can't play. Well, Okay, well

1487
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's true from Nikil Harry, but you tell me

1488
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 1: all of the guys that they've taked, like Chad Jackson

1489
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: couldn't play, Brandon Tate couldn't play, Taylor Price couldn't play,

1490
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: like every guy. But I think the problem is is that, yeah,

1491
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to that position, they especially near the

1492
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: top of the draft, and granted they haven't taken that

1493
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: many swings at the top of the draft, so it's

1494
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: a small sample size, but all of those guys were

1495
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: third round and higher. But those guys that you just

1496
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: named were all raw coming into the league as route runners. Right.

1497
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: And this is the part that bugs me the most

1498
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: about the way that they evaluate receivers is that they

1499
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: basically draft receivers based off their athletic profile aisles, whatever

1500
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: you did at the combine, and whatever you look like

1501
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: in shorts and a T shirt. We're taking those types

1502
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: of guys. But the problem is is that their system

1503
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: for twenty five years has been predicated on route running, timing,

1504
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: separation at the top of the route, you know, understanding

1505
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: what your assignment is, you know, and where's what the

1506
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: coverage is and adjusting. Those types of things don't show

1507
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: up at the combine, right, So when they take Nikil

1508
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: Harry in the first round over technicians, you know, guys

1509
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: that were good route runners and were sound in those respects,

1510
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: That's where I think the frustration lies is because why

1511
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: did you ever think then nikkil Harry was going to

1512
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: work here? Yeah, it makes me wonder what it was

1513
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: like when they met with him pre draft, and I'm

1514
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: sure they did the thing where they got them up

1515
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: on the white board. I remember we met three weeks

1516
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: ago and we probably okay, spit that back up. You know,

1517
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: those kind of things that they tested well. Supposedly that

1518
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: was Chad Jackson strength. Remember, yeah, you know. And there

1519
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: was also a a period of time where this was

1520
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: all blamed on Brady because Brady was too hard. It

1521
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: was too Yeah he's to finished too hard on the

1522
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 1: young young receivers. You lose his trust. Yeah, he's not gonna.

1523
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: Ryan's in New York. What's up? Ryan? Hi? How are

1524
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: you guys doing on the show? I checked in a

1525
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: little late to say so. If you already dresses, I apologize,

1526
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: But I understand there's need for a weapon with this

1527
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: upcoming team. I like you do just as much as

1528
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: I like Jacobe Myers. I know that's debatable, but it

1529
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: is what it is. Um, But did we fully address

1530
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: the tackle position and free agency or are we looking

1531
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: for them at like a round two positions? Are we

1532
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: just going to ignore it and say that our offensive

1533
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: line magically got better. I don't think they can ignore it.

1534
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the same play for for fourteen.

1535
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: I think I think the first two days, I think

1536
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: they got to take one of those spots. Yeah, they

1537
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: are all around. They it's another position where they have

1538
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: some decent depth now, but they still it still feels

1539
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: like the starters are they don't have a starter. They

1540
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: added depth, yeah, but they don't have a starter. Yeah.

1541
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: I do think you hope that Adrian Clem, who Bill

1542
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: basically confirmed, is actually on staff, so I think we

1543
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: can talk about him with that reportedly, Uh, Adrian Clem

1544
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: is I think you hope that he develops some of

1545
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: the younger guys and maybe bring some guys along. I

1546
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: think a guy like Calvin Anderson, who they signed in

1547
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: free agency, has a ton of potential if he's ritt

1548
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: the right coach. I think that he is somebody that

1549
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: has the athletic upside to develop into a starter. So

1550
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe Adrian Clem is able to have some of that

1551
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: Dante seasoning right where you bring one of these guys

1552
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: in and you're able to find somebody. I feel better

1553
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: about him starting that I would. Riley reeve it might

1554
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: be the wrong way to ask this, but do you

1555
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: feel like there's more on Adrian Clem and Bill O'Brien

1556
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: this year or the coach coaches. That's my biggest concern

1557
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: is they they're looking at Bill O'Brien like make magic happen,

1558
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: like a messiah, like come in and save us. All right,

1559
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: And I just I don't know if you can do that.

1560
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: And if I'm Bill O'Brien, I've got to imagine he's

1561
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: in the meeting room right now being like Bill, I'm

1562
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: a good coach. I believe in myself, but this is

1563
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: a middling offense right now on paper, Like, you gotta

1564
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: give me more than this. If you really want me

1565
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: to be able to do my job at the highest

1566
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: level you got, you gotta give me the you know,

1567
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: the old groceries, you know, saying like you gotta give

1568
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: me some more than this. I just there's a lot

1569
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: of hoping for Bill O'Brien. Do you think, though, that

1570
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: this team can be better than twenty one, at least

1571
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: like on paper where we stand today, Because I mean, well,

1572
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: what's like you said, who has more pressure on him?

1573
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: On paper? What's a bigger upgrade Juju Robinson and Gasicki

1574
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: over the guys that they replaced, or Bill O'Brien over

1575
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: the guy he replaced. That's coaching by far. So if

1576
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be better, it's almost entirely on the coach's shoulders.

1577
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that Kasiki is better than

1578
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: John hu Smith. I don't think there's a huge argument

1579
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: to be made against that. I think Juju is better

1580
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: than Myers, but as already stated, my argument on that

1581
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: very very minimally, and I think Robinson and Harris are

1582
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: a complete watch. Well. The real the question is if

1583
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: O'Brien was here last year, how much better would they

1584
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: have been last year with that cast? And I think

1585
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: they would have been maybe a game or two better. Yeah,

1586
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say games better. They would have

1587
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: been better offense, probably would have been competent. Yeah, I

1588
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: think they win the Minnesota game for example. Maybe it's

1589
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: funny that you picked that one. That's the only game

1590
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: that they played all year that they looked like they

1591
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: had an offer. But I think they would have finished,

1592
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like why, because they would

1593
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: have been at some point they would have been more

1594
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: con you know why they have a hard time finishing.

1595
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: I really dread going down this road because I know

1596
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. But they have a hard time

1597
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 1: finishing because once the other team figures out the scheme,

1598
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: they don't have players that can win. But but that's

1599
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: the that's why they have a hard time coaching. That

1600
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: would have been better that they wouldn't have been able

1601
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: to fit. It's the same problem that they had two

1602
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, that's why they didn't have any come

1603
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: from behind wins. Well, when push comes to shove and

1604
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: the cards there in the in the middle of the

1605
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: table and it's my guy against your guy, they don't

1606
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: have a guy exactly. And every once in a while,

1607
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: even last year, even last year with Patricia, they had

1608
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: a scheme that was mildly successful at times earlier in games,

1609
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: and then the other team says, oh, I wasn't really

1610
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: expecting that, but this is all we have to do

1611
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: to stop that. Now what do you have to fall

1612
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: back on? And this is why dreaded bringing it up, Fred,

1613
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: This is why they're easy to defend. Oh, they say that,

1614
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: but I agree, and I don't think the talent is

1615
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: much different. I think they're going to continue to be

1616
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: easy to defend with the guys they have now than

1617
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 1: they were last year. I just think the guy calling

1618
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: the shots will be closer to Josh McDaniels two years

1619
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: ago than Matt Patricia last year. They'll be better offensively

1620
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: because of that, And that's the number one frustration. I

1621
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: agreed with William and his call was that if Matt

1622
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: Jon's going to be your quarterback, then you have to

1623
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: surround that quarterback with the talent around him for him

1624
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: to excel. And I am not one hundred percent certain

1625
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: that Bill thinks that that's as important as the rest

1626
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: of the league. Doesn't. I'm not even talking about us,

1627
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: Like I'm not even talking about media. Just look at

1628
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: the other teams around the league and how they approached

1629
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the offseason in terms of team building, and how they

1630
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: go out and they trade for these receivers or they

1631
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: draft through the receivers in the first round, and they

1632
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: really go out in an attack for weapons to go

1633
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: and get these guys. It is so funny to like this,

1634
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: does he believe in that. There's been a lot of tweets,

1635
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, like listing all the offensive skill guys like

1636
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: this is what they have and it's you know, Stevenson, Robinson,

1637
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: Kasicki Henry with Parker Thornton, and I'm like, yeah, like

1638
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: this is supposed to scare people, like where where is

1639
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: the major upgrade? Like I think people think that, Like

1640
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people talk about the offensive

1641
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: line upgrade. We've been getting a lot and ASPF. Who's

1642
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: up for APF, you guys. Yeah, the aspfw's you know,

1643
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: they want to like pound you know, pound away with

1644
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson behind the improved offensive line? What have they

1645
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: done to improve the offensive line? Adrian Clem? Yeah, again,

1646
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: you're a You're almost entirely reliance on coaching. And by

1647
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: the way, I have no idea if Adrian Clem is good.

1648
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: I know Bill O'Brien's good because I saw him do it.

1649
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: I've never seen Adrian Clem succeed as an NFL offensive

1650
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: line coach, so I don't know what he is, but

1651
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: he better be damn good because that's what everybody's banking on,

1652
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: is what Fred just said. I just don't know if

1653
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: the head coach because also the GM, I don't know

1654
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: if he believes in what the Eagles did. The Eagles

1655
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: drafted DeVante Smith in the first round, and they traded

1656
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: a first round pick for AJ Brown to back that

1657
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: they weren't sure right they spent two first they spent

1658
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: three top one hundred picks because they sent a third

1659
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: round pick as well to the Titans for a J Brown.

1660
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: On receivers in back to back years, I just think

1661
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: he's not going to do it. He's not going to

1662
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 1: do that. The compet I think it's very similar. You know,

1663
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: where where Hurts was and where where Mac is now.

1664
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: You can make an argument that Hurts was further along. Literally,

1665
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,919
Speaker 1: he was developing, He played a little as a rookie,

1666
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: he got his team to a playoffs is in second year.

1667
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: He was ascending, and they still said, you know what,

1668
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that quarterback. I think we need

1669
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: to get more around him to help him, because if

1670
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: we ask him to do it all, I don't know

1671
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: if he's good enough to do it all. Now, maybe

1672
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: he is. He had an MVP type season. My guess

1673
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: is the guys around him had a lot to do

1674
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, I'd also say I think it's worth

1675
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: saying that they had a really good offensive line in

1676
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: place too, you know, like that was set and you've

1677
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: got probably the best part of what's around him. Yeah,

1678
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: but you can also build the line, and I think

1679
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: they can build through the draft. I think they can

1680
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: build the line through the draft, but they have not

1681
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: shown any wherewithal at all with the receiver position to

1682
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: believe that they can build that through the draft. And

1683
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: these teams have overpaid in the veteran market for receivers.

1684
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I think Tua in Miami was also in a really

1685
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: similar spot. They drafted Jalen Waddle in the first round

1686
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: and they traded a boatload of picks for Tyree Hill

1687
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: and back to back years essentially, and this team is

1688
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: just not gonna do that. They're gonna take Taekwon thwart

1689
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: and fiftieth overall and they're gonna basically pick swat for

1690
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker oh with the Miami Dolphins, and they're gonna

1691
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: say done. They're gonna sign Juju Smith Schuster in free agency.

1692
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,919
Speaker 1: They're gonna trade John Y for Mike Kasiki. Essentially done.

1693
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, We're good. Shuffle in the chairs. Rick

1694
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: and Dallas gets some of these emails web radio atpage

1695
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: dot com based on Tuesday Show. My question is this

1696
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Bill of the coach is still the best in the business,

1697
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: but Bill the GM is approaching the game with outdated philosophies.

1698
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any scenario where Bill would stay

1699
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: with the Patriots if mister Krapp brought in a GM

1700
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: to oversee football operations, the draft, contracts, etc. That way,

1701
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: Bill doesn't need to think about the cap or contract

1702
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: negotiations and can simply focus on football. Nope, no, no,

1703
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't no, Nope, I wish let's see. Sam writes

1704
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: in from Halifax, UK. I think what is frustrating with

1705
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: Bill and how he speaks about Mac is that he

1706
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: sounds like he's been saddled with Mac against his will,

1707
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: when he's also the GM who picked him and Bills

1708
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: the roster. It'd be different if a separate head coach

1709
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: and GM were at odds over starting quarterback. But if

1710
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: he truly feels the way it seems he does about

1711
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: the position currently, then at this point it's on him

1712
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: to rectify it. I trust Bill if he thinks Mac

1713
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: won't be the guy, but to feel that way and

1714
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: do nothing as a GM doesn't make sense. Well, we

1715
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: don't really know, Yeah, I mean, and I think in

1716
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: probably Bill's own way, he's trying to get the best

1717
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: out of him Mac that he can. I you know,

1718
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: I think we can disagree if he's going about it

1719
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the right way, but I have to think that's what

1720
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: I mean. You've invested a first round picking the kid,

1721
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: as he said himself, he can play in the league.

1722
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of This refusal to

1723
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of acknowledge him as the starter, et cetera, et cetera,

1724
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: is just it's part of his belief of how I

1725
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: can get this particular player to reach that level. And

1726
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if it'll work. I really don't.

1727
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I think Max a unique kind of kid.

1728
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't really have a true sense

1729
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 1: of Mac Jones. I don't think. I think he's very guarded.

1730
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: In press conferences, we get kind of, you know, a

1731
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: character that you feel like is running everything through a

1732
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: governor of you know, what do they want me to say?

1733
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: And you know we're just speaking generalities and you know,

1734
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: compliment everyone else. And you know, I just don't really

1735
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: have a sense of him, and I'm curious after last year.

1736
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: You know, now you get Bill O'Brien in here, who

1737
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: knows what he wants, who's a hard coach to How

1738
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: does it all gel? You know? Is Mac? Oh? Wow?

1739
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: Mac is really motivated and right now he's you know,

1740
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: down the hall and you know, lifting going crazy because

1741
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: you know he wants that acknowledgement from Bill Belchi maybe

1742
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe but maybe not too and maybe he's like I'm

1743
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: so over this. I don't you know, I'm not invested.

1744
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: They're not giving me guys that I feel like I

1745
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: can play. You know, they didn't slide my buddy Slate

1746
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: Bolden yet. You know, like those kind of things, you're

1747
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: not having a good show holding a roster spot open

1748
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: from a concy. I heard Jerry Judy's pretty good. Jordan Appalachian,

1749
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: New York, get it. He was actually Slate Bolden was

1750
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: the guy that made that offense run. Jordan says. I

1751
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: continue listening to the debate on Juju and Myers, and

1752
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: last week everyone wrote in on the stats between the

1753
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: two in man coverage, and Evan claimed Myers was better

1754
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: in that category. To my eyes, Yes, I like the

1755
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Juju signing initially, and the more I listened, the more

1756
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I think we should have kept Myers. I'm more curious

1757
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: to know how they each fared against top corners and coverage.

1758
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: Did Juju get the team's top corner more than Myers did.

1759
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't recall seeing Sauce Gardner, Tradavious White and other

1760
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: top corners following Myers. Hopefully you're sponsors, especially Paul's in

1761
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: this move moved me back to favoring Juju. I just

1762
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: I think you're overthinking it. I mean, I don't think

1763
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna gonna sway you with man coverage numbers like

1764
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of the same player. I think we

1765
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: all kind of agreed Juju is a little bit better

1766
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: in a few areas. Jacoby might be a little bit

1767
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: more better in you know, reliability and contested catches. But

1768
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: there's there's not a huge difference between these two guys.

1769
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's my feeling on it. But I

1770
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: also would say, if I don't have numbers, I'm not

1771
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm not a big analytics guy. You guys all know that.

1772
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it stand to reason that Jacobe Myers was

1773
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 1: the number one option for the Patriots passing game in

1774
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: the last two years and probably saw more of the

1775
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: coverage than Juju Smith Shuster did last year intended in

1776
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City, particularly on third day, he did it most.

1777
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, do you have to have like

1778
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: is that what we've come like? You can't just watch

1779
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: the game and say that he's the number one option

1780
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: it's and Juju Wasn't you have to something that backs

1781
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 1: that up with analytics from PF like, Yeah, the man

1782
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: coverage number is the reason why I pushed back on

1783
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: the analytics in this case is because that doesn't pass

1784
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: the eye test. For me, Jacoby Myers is a better

1785
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: route runner and a better separator at the top of

1786
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: the route than Juju is. He's just just is based

1787
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: off of the eye test. So I think that those

1788
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: man coverage numbers are probably more to what Paul is

1789
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: speaking about of the coverage was probably a little bit

1790
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: tighter on Jacoby Myers. Is probably a little bit more

1791
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: focused on Jacobe Myers and Juju was not the number

1792
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: one option in the plan. But I think sometimes people

1793
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: do get lost in the weeds of did he draw

1794
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: the number one corner did he not draw? Because that

1795
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that is related to the type of

1796
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: defense the opponent plays where that top corner likes to play.

1797
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: Like if you have a guy in the slot who's

1798
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: your number one receiver, then but they Jalen Ramsey right,

1799
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: and Jalen you know, somebody isn't comfortable traveling inside. If

1800
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: you're playing a zone based team to cover three or

1801
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: a quarters based team, then they don't travel, they don't

1802
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: play man. So here, Yes, in New England. When you

1803
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: have a Durell Reeves, Bill Belichick's gonna put him on

1804
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: the best guy and he's gonna travel with them all

1805
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: over the place. But they're not a ton of teams

1806
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: in the league that actually approach it that exact way.

1807
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: So don't don't get lost in neither one of those guys. Yeah,

1808
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 1: neither one of those guys is the type of receiver

1809
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: that were require that. Right now, Why would you go

1810
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: in and say we're going to have Sauce Gardner trail

1811
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster everywhere he goes only because he's the

1812
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: best day guys. No, But I'm what I'm saying is,

1813
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that for this team, right right?

1814
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: You do that for no? You just play Amy, You

1815
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: just play sides and we'll see where they line up.

1816
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I think or will be Brunswick. Here are my takes

1817
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: on Robert and Bill. From Robert's perspective, the comments about

1818
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: Lamar felt more like a humble brag. I know this

1819
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,440
Speaker 1: rapper and good players still want to play for our franchise.

1820
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: He's doing that because honestly, his team is becoming irrelevant nationally.

1821
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: They don't even get him mentioned in at seventy to

1822
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: one odds. It's obvious they're expected to go six and

1823
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 1: eleven for Bill, like the end of the show Tuesday.

1824
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: I agree, we're just holding on to the break the

1825
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: record thing. When Tom left, most people said fifty fifty

1826
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: sheriff credit for the Dynasty. With each passing season, Bill

1827
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: is losing credit to the point eventually no one outside

1828
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: of the local market will give him any credit. Call

1829
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Bill, He'll teach when he'll he'll teach when

1830
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: to move on when you don't have play the best

1831
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: players on your team, I don't know. Phil Jackson was

1832
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: famous for leaving the team when he knew that the

1833
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: stars were gone, like when Jordan was leaving when the

1834
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,600
Speaker 1: ship was sinking. He jumped ships with smart. I just

1835
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: gotta say, Anthony Richardson doing a back handspring, he's a unit. Yeah,

1836
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: But I also have to say I'm not oppressed with

1837
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: his throwing against air thing. You know. No, it's like

1838
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: the footwork and a lot of air underballs that I

1839
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: laugh someone on Twitter and it was a national name

1840
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: that I didn't recognize. Yeah, they showed a play of

1841
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: you know for Florida. He like drops back. Everything is

1842
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: perfect like he sits in the pocket, bang back foot

1843
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: footwork is perfect throw. It was an out that was

1844
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 1: fairly m well covered, but the throw was perfect. And

1845
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: the guy's like, why are there questions about this? Because

1846
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: why is this guy a project? And I'm like, I

1847
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Can you show me the the other fifty

1848
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 1: percent of the throws that he made that he didn't

1849
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: complete so I can pick those apart. I do think

1850
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: that he's a different type of project than I think

1851
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: the word project has. Mary takes on very many meetings.

1852
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: I guess he's not a project in the way that

1853
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: he operates from the pocket like he's he's a quarterback.

1854
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Like he understands to read the coverage, he understands to

1855
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: look it off, he understands I manipulation, you know, all

1856
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. He just has mechanical flaws right now, refinement, right.

1857
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Did you think josh Alan was a project? Yes? Yes,

1858
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: of course he was. Yeah, so much started like Tony

1859
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: mast Yes, josh Allen and this guy to meet are

1860
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: really really similar. That they both when you watch them

1861
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: on film, it wasn't that you're teaching them how to

1862
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: play the position. It was we're refining their mccam like,

1863
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: no one was wondering, like, are you gonna make Josh Allen, uh,

1864
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, a defensive back. No one's saying that about

1865
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson either. He's a eight quarterback. But the question

1866
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: is is he refined enough with his mechanics, his accuracy

1867
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and all the things that go into it. I think

1868
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: he's played quarterback the way everybody else does. I just

1869
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: think he's a little erratic. I think these him and

1870
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: him and Hooker are I mean all the Quarterborker just

1871
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: such wild shooting up such I mean I've seen him

1872
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: in the first round right now that everybody has him

1873
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: in the first round. Now, I mean, now we have

1874
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson in the top five, and a lot of

1875
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: these mock drafts are show him right here. Like these

1876
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: guys seem like such wild cards. I mean, I know

1877
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will always be wild cards in the NFL

1878
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: because you have to have one and if you like them.

1879
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: But I think you talk about, you know, players that

1880
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: might get overdrafted a little bit that could push players

1881
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: down to the Patriots. I think these are a couple

1882
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: of guys. I mean it seems like Richardson probably in

1883
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: top ten as he was. He's been a top ten

1884
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: Pickford Yeah a while, Sam in North Carolina. Here's my

1885
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: sort of conspiracy theory on what Bill sees in Mac Jones.

1886
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: He compares him to Brady. Bill thinks he made Brady

1887
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: into the goat and that he could build a team

1888
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the same around Mac as he did Brady and coach

1889
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Mac up to brady Like level. I believe in Mac,

1890
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: but I do think he needs pieces around him just

1891
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: like Brady did. To quote Chazelle, he can't throw the

1892
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: ball and catch it too. I don't kill Bill for

1893
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: free agency too much, though, because I believe if Judy

1894
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 1: was a free agent then he would be a Patriot

1895
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: by now. I don't don't. I don't believe that at all.

1896
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: If Judy was a free agent he would have hit

1897
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: it out of the park. Well, I don't, and I

1898
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: don't think the Patriots would have been the ones to

1899
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: knock it out of the park. I'm also thinking that

1900
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Bill thinks he can make Mac Jones

1901
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: and Brady. It's funny. I'm more agreed with the beginning. Yeah,

1902
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: I do, and I'm glad he brought this up on Tuesday.

1903
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: If you were here, Mike, wasn't I think I made

1904
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: a comment like, you know, I would definitely give Bill

1905
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: some credit for developing Tom Brady. Well, that has turned

1906
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: into on Twitter someone saying that I said that Brady

1907
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Belichick made Brady, which is not what I said and

1908
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: not what I meant. If so, what I what I

1909
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: was talking about with defending Belichick, which again I find

1910
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: myself in a very odd place this week doing a

1911
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of defending of Bill Belichick, the greatest coach has

1912
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: ever lived. Didn't think he needed defending. But anyway, now,

1913
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it was all like, no

1914
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: matter where this sixth round one hundred and ninety nine

1915
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: overall pick went, he was going to win. I think

1916
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady would have been successful no matter where he went.

1917
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: I think that he benefited from having the greatest coach

1918
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: ever and that helped him win even more. That's all.

1919
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't give all the credit for Brady to Belichick.

1920
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's crazy. But but Bill has you know,

1921
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: even though he stopped short of saying he's the greatest

1922
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: football player ever, he says that Tom Brady is the

1923
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: greatest at his position ever. I don't think he thinks

1924
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Can ever be that. I just don't well,

1925
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, but I do think he thinks he was

1926
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: instrumental in it, and I'm not sure that that's accurate.

1927
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Can you guys think of any examples of him kind

1928
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: of pulling this stuff? Might not I don't want to

1929
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: see mind games, but those kind of things with Brady,

1930
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: like not like holding back on praise, these kind of things,

1931
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: I mean, more of it trying to keep them running hot.

1932
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Only late in his career he didn't do that. Early

1933
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: in his career I think would have. I think it

1934
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: was more with Brady. I think the differences is that

1935
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 1: it was more behind the scenes than it was I

1936
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: can get with the media. Yeah, and that's pretty famous

1937
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: that he would grill you know, he would tear him

1938
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: apart in film sessions. But early in his career there

1939
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: was a lot of Fred You'll remember these there's no quarterback.

1940
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather have late, you know, I think, And it

1941
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 1: did start, probably with the drafting of Garoppolo. I think

1942
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: he thought Brady had gotten to the point where it

1943
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: was no longer as much of a burning desire for him,

1944
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, like the parking space was no longer a

1945
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: huge issue. Off season, Alice. It's a lot of the stuff.

1946
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: But you know, starting in like fourteen and going through

1947
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: those next few years, I think you did get a

1948
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: little what Evan's talking about. Every once in a while,

1949
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: I need to do this because I gotta. I gotta

1950
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: motivate him, I gotta keep him sharp. I just think

1951
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: it kind of interesting in retrospect comparing to what game

1952
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: was it Paul after in two thousand and one, where

1953
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: it was like Tom's the guy now, you know, like

1954
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: he went with him like you know what. It was

1955
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: like the voter confidence the quarterback and we're going, you know,

1956
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: it's very sad day for me. I gotta I got

1957
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: over it, though, and the guy won six titles. I

1958
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 1: got over it. I came around Kevin and Burlington. Two

1959
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: quick questions. If a team were to make a contract

1960
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: offer to Lamar on the non exclusive tag, are they

1961
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: allowed to negotiate with him or is it just a

1962
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: blind offer? Yeah, you have to negotiate. Yeah you haven't.

1963
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 1: He has to science a matter of fact, that's the

1964
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: only guy you can negot. And did you see his

1965
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: new business venture that? What is that? The whole gym?

1966
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest piece of crap him enough,

1967
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: But it's like a lot of metal rods that just

1968
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I know I'm not a Lamar guy.

1969
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: And that one point that was another point for Deuce.

1970
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: I felt like, I'm like, what are we doing here?

1971
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 1: We working with Lamar is the same thing as Alvin's career. Uh?

1972
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: And for Baltimore to match the offer, is it accepting

1973
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: the exact terms of that offer or just years and

1974
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:25,520
Speaker 1: value like hypothetically exact terms? Yes? So could the Patriots?

1975
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Could the Patriots offer a deal that includes a clause

1976
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: saying if Lamar will to play in poison more more

1977
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: than twice a season, he gets like an extra two

1978
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: hundred million or something to make it unacceptable. You can't

1979
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: do that. You can't. But what you can do is

1980
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: you can structure it. So this is the biggest, biggest

1981
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: cap issue with Lamar Jackson is that the Patriots ideally

1982
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: would structure his contract to have year one be a

1983
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: low cap hit. But if you're Baltimore, why wouldn't you

1984
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: just match it? If all the if all he's going

1985
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: to count against the cap in year one is ten

1986
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: million dollars, then why wouldn't the Ravens just Matt that

1987
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: team friendly structure, get Paul something to drink well, but

1988
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: dying over here. But that that's the really the only,

1989
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: the only difference now in terms of terms and stuff

1990
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's you're offering him a contract and

1991
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 1: it's if they match it, they match the exact same

1992
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: contract that you offered him and he has to sign it.

1993
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: So how much of this Lamar stuff though? Do you

1994
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: think because he doesn't have an agent, like I just

1995
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: I can't roll out that is like really gumming up

1996
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: the works. Oh Josh, yeah, two, Josh is no offense.

1997
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 1: But he kind of looks like me remember where we

1998
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,719
Speaker 1: did We had a we had a coaches thing last

1999
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: year on Zoom and he was like looking at it

2000
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: himself in the mirror and he's like oh he started

2001
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 1: like yeah yeah yeah, got like self conscious that he

2002
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: only gets the graining weight. Yeah, I think the And

2003
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I wonder what the structure of that with um with Lamar,

2004
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have all that cap space in year two?

2005
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: Do you make it really still? I mean, I know

2006
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: there is like energies and stuff, there are rules that

2007
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: you have to but assuming that you stay within the parameters,

2008
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: if you make it a low cap number in year one,

2009
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: if you made it an astronomical one in year two,

2010
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: it's possible that make it harder for Baltimore. I don't

2011
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 1: know it's possible. I think that when you whenever you

2012
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: have an RFA, like the number one thing that you

2013
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: want to do is you want to make it so

2014
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: that year one cap hit is really not affordable for

2015
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the team that has has the option to match it.

2016
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: So if that's the biggest problem is that in order

2017
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: to clear the cap space, the Patriots would also need

2018
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: to clear the cap space, so they would be in

2019
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: the same position as the Ravens. But here's the thing.

2020
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 1: Do the Ravens want to match it? Do they really

2021
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: want to get rid of this guy? I don't know,

2022
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: that's the question. If they wanted to get rid of them,

2023
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: they would trade them. They'd be actively trying to trade them. Well,

2024
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: they want to get as much as they can for him, right,

2025
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: I think that they are. That's what they be doing,

2026
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and they're not. I think they're genuinely in a point

2027
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: where has anyone made an offer. They would be making

2028
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,480
Speaker 1: offers to other people if they wanted to trade Them's

2029
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: my point. They'd be calling other teams. Yes, I think

2030
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 1: to genuinely the problem and I think this is sort

2031
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: of where the agent the no agent thing comes into play,

2032
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: is that the Ravens and Lamar are on to polar

2033
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: opposite sides in terms of what his value is, and

2034
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: the only way that the they can find a middle

2035
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: ground is by is by signing him to the non

2036
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 1: exclusive tag and hoping that another team sets the standard

2037
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 1: for them, sets the market for them. Because there's no

2038
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: agent going out there and saying, well, we have X

2039
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: offer from this team and why offer from that team?

2040
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: So there's no there's really a lack of negotiation. So

2041
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: they're saying to themselves, like, what does he even work? Like,

2042
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: we don't even know what he's more likely this year

2043
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: he plays for the Ravens, he plays for another team,

2044
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: or he doesn't play Ravens, doesn't play another team. Order too.

2045
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: But i'd like, you know, I haven't heard anything from

2046
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Ravens fan like I would just I'm just imagining if

2047
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots had Lamar Jackson and that this is what

2048
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: they're going on, people will lose their mind. I mean,

2049
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: I assume that they are. They are, but you know,

2050
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: like I said, at the top of the show. There's

2051
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: already people that are probably gonna hold it against some

2052
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: of the guys that are based in Baltimore. They're going crazy. Well,

2053
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 1: there was a poll done recently. I don't know who

2054
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: did it. Um it was by social media sentiment in

2055
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: the most negative fan bases. Surprisingly, the Patriots were low.

2056
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: They were like twentieth thing. The Ravens were like, you know, top.

2057
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 1: I thought that was surprising too, until I saw the

2058
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: Jets were one spot above the Patriots. Like, I'm sorry,

2059
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: there's no way the Jets aren't the most negative fans.

2060
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: But maybe they aren't active in social media. I don't know, so,

2061
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: like that's my point. I'm pawning. It's a question. But

2062
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: but Ravens were in the top five. So you know,

2063
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: when you're in the top five, something's going. If you

2064
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: ever everybody knows it Jets for everybody knows somebody from

2065
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: New York, right, if you ever met a Jets fan

2066
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 1: that's not miserable, Yeah, but maybe they're so miserable that

2067
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: they maybe they're so miserable apathy. Maybe it's apathy and

2068
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: they don't go it ain't apathy, it's anger. Yeah, it's

2069
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: it's It's like the Red Sox. You know, back then

2070
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 1: people revel in it. It's part of the identity of route.

2071
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: Could you imagine, you know, in two thousand and two

2072
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots finishing like twenty fifth in most angry fans

2073
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball, That to me is the equivalent

2074
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: with the Jets and dr Right now, Yeah, let's see,

2075
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: Sean writes in in Vancouver, there is a small sign

2076
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: that the Patriots might be open to a little change

2077
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: in philosophy. That change is Mike Kasecki. He's not the

2078
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: best tight end the league. In fact, he's not even

2079
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: a real tight end. That's where things open up. He

2080
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: didn't fit in with the Dolphins scheme last season because

2081
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't block. Everyone knows he won't block, and in

2082
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: the past the Patriots haven't used a player at tight

2083
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 1: end like that. We have no We have to reason

2084
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: that the Patriots brought Kasecki into be more a large

2085
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: slot receiver. He will just run routes in a twelve

2086
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: or two formation zero two. He won't get He won't

2087
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: make the Patriots a contender, but he gives home. But

2088
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: I just need the English explain to me. I don't

2089
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: need the formations, but he gives hope that the that

2090
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: New England will once again have an offense that opponents

2091
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: will have to game plan for. Yeah, I don't. I

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01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: don't know how much you need the game plan, but

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01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 1: I do think that they're probably just going to basically

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01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: play him out of the slot. I mean, I think

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01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: we'll use him kind of like to Aaron, he's gonna

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01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: be I'm just gonna he's gonna be a pass catching

2097
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: tight end. Wow, revolutionary, They've had those. I disagree a

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01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 1: lot that he is different. I mean, I understand he

2099
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 1: only caught like thirty balls last year in Miami because

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01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't a scheme. I get that he's more of

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01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: a fifty sixty catch guy right in his career. In

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01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: his last year. You know, last year was an outlier.

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01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying for the years two years prior is

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01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: like seven hundred yards. Yeah, I mean he's a good

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01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: pass good not great, good pass catching tight end. Nothing.

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01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: I would argue that him and Hunter Henry are basically

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01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I mean, I think that he

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01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 1: probably has more juice. I think Henry's a little bit

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01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 1: more wiggle at the top of the route. But in

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01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 1: terms of like where you're gonna play the wiggle to

2111
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: you not blocking you? Either one of them are great

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01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: block is a completely unwilling blocker, which separates him from

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01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: most Well see, I'm not totally convinced about that. Dan

2114
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 1: and Hawaii Paul suggested that Bill does not draft players

2115
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: from the Big Ten. That seems to be overstated. In

2116
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: recent years, Bill has drafted a number of players from Michigan.

2117
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Did you listen to the conversation? Are we forgetting that

2118
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 1: there was a period when the Patriots drafted every defensive

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01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: back from Rutgers because of great Siano. I don't they

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01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 1: were not, but time they were in the Big East,

2121
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: we talked. We talked about Michigan. That's the outlier program.

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01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 1: While I am on board with the idea of drafting talent,

2123
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 1: I still believe Bill can assess talent. I think Bill's

2124
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 1: problem is he often drafts players based on how he

2125
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: projects players. Bill has shown a propensity for drafting well

2126
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: at running back but not well at corner. In the end,

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01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I am a in Bill, We trust guy. Good luck

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01:46:58,439 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: with that. What do you say they're good at what

2129
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean? Running back? Like? I don't think I think

2130
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: that's probably one of the easiest positions to draft, Like,

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01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: there's not I also think that's the position that he drafts.

2132
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: In my opinion, this is it's all about what you

2133
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,959
Speaker 1: agree with, right, I think he drafts running backs perfectly.

2134
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Like where he takes them in general is exact, nicles

2135
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: them through, doesn't get attack, give me a third fourth

2136
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: rounder every time, I'll take it, yep. And generally, like

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01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you said, running back, it's like a there's no projection, right,

2138
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,640
Speaker 1: there's like, do you know how to pass block on

2139
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: third down? I think that's something significant. But otherwise do

2140
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you find them? A lot of them and a lot

2141
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: of them have to learn that. But like a lot

2142
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 1: of the Verenes, you know, the Stevenson's even Ridley, who

2143
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 1: is a little bit higher. Like that's that's where I

2144
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: want to draft those guys. All right, we're gonna give

2145
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: away a T shirt. Ready, We're gonna give a wait

2146
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: t shirt. First person with the correct answer to web

2147
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com wins a T shirt. Again,

2148
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,759
Speaker 1: it's web Radio at Patriots dot com. And the question

2149
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:07,679
Speaker 1: is what song didduce parody before he started hating Brady?

2150
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 1: What song deduce parody before he started hating Brady. Don't

2151
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: make me sing it first, A correct answer to web

2152
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com. When's a T shirt, Matt,

2153
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: and you'll win my affection. Blurt it out when you

2154
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: have a winner, or just play the song, Matt, just

2155
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: play the hit, yeah or not? Let's see. Todd in

2156
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: transition writes in um, well, I guess I found a

2157
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 1: spot where the GM, the coach, and the owner agreed

2158
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not it. While mister Craft said nice

2159
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: things about Mac, he then said something along the lines

2160
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: that we should get Lamar if that is the solution.

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01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,839
Speaker 1: He did not say that. He did not say that honestly.

2162
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: Which if you think that there is something left to

2163
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: explore with Mac, or are you in agreement that it's

2164
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: time to move on. I don't see any quarterbacks in

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01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: the draft that the Patriots would be able to target

2166
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: another year of rebuilding way for the chance to get

2167
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You can't. I mean, that's unfortunately. I think

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01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: you're married doing for this year. I mean, if things

2169
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: could go sidew with you guys on that you know

2170
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: you spent a first round on him. He didn't give

2171
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: him an opportunity last year to be successful. I mean,

2172
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, if even Paul agrees that you got to

2173
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: have to give him another chance. But that being said,

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's got the longest leash in

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01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: the world. Part of it is where you are picking.

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01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: The last part of that email is what like I

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01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 1: would weigh all the options, and I don't think there's

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01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: a better option. If I think there's a better option

2179
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,759
Speaker 1: than just won't pay for it, well, who's the winner?

2180
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Doesn't say where he's from, but Nathan, Nathan and the

2181
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: correct answer, Matt, I won't forget you by Poison. That's

2182
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: a great song. Yeah, and all time it's all right, sorry,

2183
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: all right, sorry I didn't get I missed Tuesday's metal.

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01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: That's my niche right now is music hate Evan and

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01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: I could disagree because I think your your alternative was

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Rogers lamar oh lamar. Okay, that's the um. I just

2187
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: think that that's messy. That doesn't have to like they

2188
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 1: could do everything you want them to do and still

2189
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: not get there. But I disagree with the emailer that

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01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 1: if it's pretty clear that Bill is at least on

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01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: the fence about mac Jones at this point, and we're

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01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,679
Speaker 1: we're kind of wasting time, that especially his time, Bill,

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01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,680
Speaker 1: because he ain't getting any younger. But if if they

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01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,600
Speaker 1: would take if if they're at fourteen, let's say that

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01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: they were nine, then I would sit there and say,

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01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: you're not You're on the fence. Like Evan just said,

2197
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: you got to do something to move up and get

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01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: stroud or or young. Yeah, because you don't have time

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Speaker 1: for a project with like Levis or you know that

2200
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 1: the one you really don't like, really don't like Will Dungares. No,

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Speaker 1: I like him, No, I like him more than you.

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01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Then Levis is what we'll get to that. Silburton, New York.

2203
01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: Next week we'll start our draft podcasts. Uh next week, Hey,

2204
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: then we'll start. We'll start off with quarterbacks. Okay, next week, great, Silburton,

2205
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 1: New York says getting Lamar should be a no brainer.

2206
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Everyone is up in arms about the draft picks. Trade them.

2207
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Bill has three number one picks, cold strange Mac Jones

2208
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 1: to kill Harry. I'm trading those players for Lamar. Get Lamar,

2209
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: pay him what he wants, and be relevant. Okay, Okay,

2210
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 1: so now what happens. If Baltimore decides the match, then

2211
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: then well then now you're stuck with Mac Jones who

2212
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 1: knows that you will. Well, this is my point. Like,

2213
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a better alternative. We had a nice,

2214
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,719
Speaker 1: nice show on Tuesday without you dues, you know, throwing

2215
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: cold water on our excitement for a guy who actually

2216
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: has won an MVP in this league. Um, but I

2217
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: just think it's it's messy. It's it's not as simple

2218
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: as snap your fingers, bite the bullet and do it.

2219
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 1: Now you have to hope the other team doesn't match.

2220
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think if they wanted to

2221
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: trade him to you, I think they'd be calling you.

2222
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: But so I if the number one reason why you

2223
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: don't do it is because you're gonna create a mess

2224
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: if you don't get him, then I say do it,

2225
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: because you've already created him. I'm not saying it, don't

2226
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 1: do it. I'm saying just because you do it doesn't

2227
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get it. No. I know you may

2228
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 1: not get it, and that makes things that are bad worse.

2229
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: But I don't worry about you know, like if a

2230
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: guy can eat the player we camp, That's what I mean.

2231
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: So like I'm not you know, like if you really

2232
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: you sit down with Mac to listen, you're not Lamar Jackson. Plus,

2233
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge all that we know that we didn't

2234
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: get him. You're a quarterback. I'm gonna judge of Belichick.

2235
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume if they made an offer sheet for

2236
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson clearly wanting to move on for Mac and

2237
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 1: sign Lamar and it fell through, I'm completely convinced, based

2238
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: on the previous twenty three years, that then Mac Jones

2239
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:44,759
Speaker 1: would turn out to be an all problem, right, because

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01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 1: that's what happens with Bill, Like, yeah, he tries to

2241
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 1: do something different, it doesn't work. He has to fall

2242
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: back on this plan and it ends up being the

2243
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: better plan, and everybody tells him what a brilliant And

2244
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 1: it's what we were thinking. Did you see how we motivated? Man?

2245
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: That's that's when we're gonna get it. This whole like

2246
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,600
Speaker 1: a tough love act works, is that's going to a

2247
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: genius move by Bill has never made him as well,

2248
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: well what if it does? If it works, it's because

2249
01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 1: Mac Jones actually good at football not and Bill knew

2250
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 1: that and he had to get the best out of him.

2251
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 1: You see, you see they yeah, you see what I

2252
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 1: deal with? Uh, Mike writes in and I'm not sure

2253
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 1: where he's getting this, but he says, I believe grow

2254
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 1: made the picks last year, minus the strange pick. I think,

2255
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 1: minus the biggest you just don't get the first round.

2256
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: I think you will see best the opposite of my

2257
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Bill can do no run, Bill could do no right.

2258
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: And I think you will see Bill picks in this

2259
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: year's draft. In other words, he's trading down. I expect

2260
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: the defensive end or tight end pick late first or

2261
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: second round. Corners and tackles will grab later as usual.

2262
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I see it coming. I

2263
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: don't like it either. I just what Evan's been saying, like,

2264
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: you need guys that can play at premium positions, and

2265
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: you don't get those guys by trading down. And to

2266
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 1: tie it into Paul's point, they aren't the same guy.

2267
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 1: So you trade down to twenty, you might think that, oh,

2268
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: I'm getting the same guy. But I just I had

2269
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 1: a tough time unless it's unless it's a wow, that's

2270
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 1: a slam dunk at twenty. Once you get there and

2271
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 1: that makes sense and you know you're at a different

2272
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: time now, you need you need really good players. That's

2273
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 1: what lax on this team, and I'm with you now, yeah,

2274
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this draft, we always go back

2275
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 1: to the van the Dante High Tower, Chandler Jones, perfect Weekend, right,

2276
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: Like that's what we all but that type of drafty

2277
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 1: they trade it up, right, I think twice twice. Like

2278
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 1: that's the type of draft that I feel like they need.

2279
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 1: Now you got eleven picks, right, And that's a great

2280
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: thing about him being here for so long and being

2281
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 1: this the guy that's making all the decisions. There's evidence

2282
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: of them doing pretty much everything right. So you can say, oh,

2283
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 1: we wanted to trade up, and they did it in

2284
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelves, so they might do it again,

2285
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 1: Like we can we can do that, you know whole

2286
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 1: song I think, and I did this probably like two

2287
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: years ago. Like he's made as many trades up as

2288
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: he has down. The difference is more often than not

2289
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: high in the draft down. Yeah, Like that's the outliers,

2290
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the Chandler Jones, Dante Hi Tower or even he went

2291
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 1: down with Mayo when yeah, yeah, el from Wisconsin. A

2292
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 1: few quick hits, he says. First, he says, Evans a

2293
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: great addition. Don't always agree, but the passion's great. One

2294
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: I think this is the team we're looking at it.

2295
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if there are any game changing additions

2296
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 1: even through the draft. Two. If we went back to

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and tried to see the worst case scenario

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Speaker 1: for post Brady, what would you say, I think we're

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Speaker 1: pretty darn close to it. Well, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: do you I mean, do you know what a two

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Speaker 1: win season looks like. I mean, like I would say, like,

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Speaker 1: instead of Mac Jones, you drafted Zach Wilson. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be worst, like the worst nightmare. But even with him,

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Speaker 1: because you wouldn't be a playoff team, you would have won,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have made the playoffs. I probably agree with

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Speaker 1: you there, but really, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see a monumental difference, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I did feel like if Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: this is a great show for me. I'm like, you

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Speaker 1: think Zach will someone would be as good as Mac Maybe,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I mean as good as

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Speaker 1: I could definitely make the argument that Zach Wilson would

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Speaker 1: be better if he was on the Patriots and he

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Speaker 1: was getting Zach Wilson was not good in college. Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson has ever been good. I thought I thought he

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Speaker 1: was a tad overrated, but them and the skills are undeniable.

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Speaker 1: But the skills and clearly he's a T shirt. Clearly

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Speaker 1: he is uh not like at the aptitude that you

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Speaker 1: need because he makes the same And here's a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory from l He says Bill is pissed that he

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Speaker 1: was forced to move on from Matt Patricia and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get the players to make the offense better, and

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Speaker 1: then the offense still struggles, and he can sit back

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, it wasn't Matt's fault. That's that's that's

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Speaker 1: really cutting off your nose despite your face type of well,

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Speaker 1: and then he went next level, grad school level with

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make three changes. They're really lateral moves. But

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Speaker 1: everybody's going to say, how much better the offenses? Like

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Speaker 1: he had a this guy and that guy and this guy, right,

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Speaker 1: so they can't say it wasn't trying for me, right

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Speaker 1: that The one thing that I would not criticize at

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Speaker 1: all is really the entirety or free agency, because I

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Speaker 1: just don't think this was a great free agent class.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna bring up to William

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Speaker 1: because that's what I thought he was getting at with.

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Speaker 1: Like when he was coming at me, it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: like who did you want them to sign that? Like?

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Speaker 1: Are you like like Orlando Brown was like what? The

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Speaker 1: free agency is not the part that bothers me. The

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Speaker 1: part that bothers me is that we hear these reports

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Speaker 1: about Hopkins and Judy and Hopkins. I'm not like totally

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Speaker 1: sold on either, but you hear all these reports about

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Speaker 1: these guys and the response always is, well, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are interested, but not at that price. And it frustrates

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Speaker 1: me too. At this point in time, you're not interested.

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Speaker 1: I always right, that's the price. You gotta pay the price.

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Speaker 1: A little bit like if Miami paid sent six draft

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Speaker 1: picks to Kansas City for Tyree Hill. Do you think

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins have any regrets whatsoever from making that trade? Well,

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Speaker 1: not not now, Evan, but you know when they're in

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Speaker 1: cap hell like in two years watched right, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots and

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Speaker 1: Filtered Catch twenty two is oh yeah, Pete and Ottawa

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Speaker 1: brought us lunch today. Thank you very much, Pete, appreciate

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Speaker 1: that we're on TV today. Yeah, so Peteatawa brought us lunch,

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Speaker 1: so appreciate that. Thank Catch twenty two is coming up.

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Speaker 1: A lot of emails we didn't get to, and if

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Speaker 1: Evan and Alex actually take a breath, maybe they'll read

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Speaker 1: a couple of us. So yeah, all right, thank you

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