1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: Term career goals. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: This episode is airing in late June of twenty twenty six. 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: Sarah is going to be interviewing Sarah Jed another Sarah. So, Sarah, 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us a little bit about Sarah Jed. 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Well, Sarah Jed and you, as you're going to learn, 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: have a lot of parallels in their number of children 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: and the age spacing. So that's fun because we don't 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: have a lot of guests that have five children, but 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Sarah does. She's also a professor, so she's going to 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: talk about like the academic lifestyle during the summer, which 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated about what a teachers do all summer. 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: What are professors do all summer? We're going to find out. Plus, 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Sarah lives in Wisconsin, and I think they do summer 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: right up there, like they really enjoy that season. I've 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: read the way she talks about summer. She really embraces it. 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: So she was a really fun guest to have on 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 2: to chat about summer when hopefully most of you listening 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: to this are finally done with the school year, because 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: I know that kind of happens in fits and starts, 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: unless you're a Southern Hemisphere listener, in which case I 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: guess it's winter. 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: I guess it's winter. 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, especially places like Wisconsin where it's so cold 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: during the winter and then you get through it, like 37 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: you really want to embrace this season from late June 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: to sort of early September when it is lovely and warm, 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: and then so you definitely want to think about summer, 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: especially in those places. 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: Totally. I think they spend lots of times planning it, 42 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: looking forward to it, and then really kind of making 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: the most of that time. And speaking of summer, Yes, 44 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: I thought you would talk about summer treats. Frozen treats, 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: frozen treats, Okay, Yeah, well, what are your favorite? Okay, 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: I have three notes that pertain to this topic. Okay, 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: it's a lot actually, Okay. Number one, I think that 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: ice cream for lunch while you're on vacation is like 49 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: the best thing ever, especially if you're like staying somewhere 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: and you get like a nice breakfast, you're not really 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: hungry for like a real lunch, but like you're outside 52 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: and it's hot ice cream, it's the best. That's what 53 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: we did the whole time. We're in New Hampshire, and 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: New England is very good at ice cream, so just 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: throwing that out there as a thing. Also pretty cost effective, 56 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: like you're not going to spend that much on an 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: ice cream lunch. 58 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Okay. 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: Number two, I have a hierarchy of frozen treat places 60 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: where we live, Like I've thought about this and it's 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: like a ladder. And Number one's Hoggan Dogs, but honestly, 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: there's not that many Hoggan Dogs places near where I live, 63 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: so it's kind of also a rarity. Number two is 64 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: Dairy Queen, which is three minutes from my house, which 65 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: I love. Number three is this gelato place called Luciano's. 66 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a widespread chain, but it's really good, 67 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: very italian. Number four is like when we start getting 68 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: into like things. My kids like that. I'm like, eh 69 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: is Jeremiah's like the Italian ice or water ice. If 70 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: you're from Philadelphia, I think it's okay. I will usually 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: deign to have some below that. I will let the 72 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: kids eat their ice cream and I will watch because 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it's well Menchi's I just I'm not 74 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: a fan. That's the frozen yogurt place where you put 75 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: your own topics on and my kids always put like 76 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: blue gummy worms on top of marshmallow ice cream, and 77 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: I just and then finally, the loser that will never 78 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: be sponsored by I'm so sorry is cold Stone because 79 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: I think their ice cream has this disgusting stretch equality 80 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: and I will not go near it the end. 81 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: Wow, I like it, like whenever I have it, I 82 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: think it's fine. 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: I didn't notice it. 84 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: They just be a sponsored It's just Laura especially. 85 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Versus like Hogan does. I would certainly not say it's 86 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: worse than Hagen does. Oh my goodness, Yeah, no, I'm 87 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: not in you like cold st more than Hagen. 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: ICE's what you're saying. Yeah, I love hogs. 89 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Well, I don't eat a whole lot of it. I 90 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: mean so I like ice cream, parlor ice cream, Like 91 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: I go to Day's in Ocean Grove every summer and 92 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: I get the real ice cream there. When I was 93 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: in Dallas recently first speech, there was a Jenny's ice 94 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Cream right by my hotel, so I went to Jenny's 95 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: and got real ice cream. I have issues with dairy, 96 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: so I have to really think about whether it's worth it, 97 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and your average ice cream is not, so it's got 98 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: to be a special treat. I I will sometimes have 99 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: the Bin and Jerry's non dairy fish food, and a 100 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: lot of non dairy ice cream is really bad. It 101 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: just makes me feel sad if I'm eating it, so 102 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: I tend to just go for the real stuff and 103 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: deal with it. But the fish food is, for whatever reason, 104 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: the way they can coct it, it tastes pretty decent, 105 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: like it's a very dark chocolate. It's got some marshmallow 106 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: in it, so it's like gooey, even though it's non dairy, 107 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: and it's got chocolate fish in it, like hard chocolate fish. 108 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Those add a nice crunch to it as well, And 109 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: I think take some of the flavor. And it's almond 110 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: milk too, So almond milk taste to be better for 111 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: us ice cream. 112 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 3: Than like soy or oat. 113 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: I know, I bet that's good. 114 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I go with that. That's where a Philadelphia is. 115 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: A water ice place to rit Us is obviously something 116 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: that the kids like to get to. 117 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: I don't have a whole lot of stuff I get there. 118 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: Don't find it quite as worth it as you know, 119 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: the real ice cream bit. 120 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, it is dairy free though, if you don't 121 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: get the creamy stuff. 122 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: Well, but I don't like that. 123 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I don't like the water ice I mean, I want real, 124 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: real like creamy stuff if I'm going to have ice cream. 125 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: Well let's see what Sarah Jed has to say about 126 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: the summer academic life. 127 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: Well, I am here today with Sarah Jed and I've 128 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: actually interviewed Sarah for Best Laid Plans before, but she 129 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: is a first time guest to Best at both worlds. 130 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: But I'm not sure why it's taken us so long, 131 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: because she absolutely fits the mold of someone that we 132 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: would be so excited to chat with on the show. 133 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: As a professor with five kids interestingly pretty close in age, 134 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: to Laura's age spread. Sarah, tell us about yourself. 135 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: Well, Hi, I love of your podcasts. I'm super excited 136 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: to talk to you today. I have five kids, let's 137 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: say nineteen eighteen, fourteen, thirteen and five, so we have 138 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 4: the whole spread from college to kindergarten. It's so fun. 139 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: That's so fun. It really is similar to Laura, except 140 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: like you have more of a space before your last 141 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: one compared to her. 142 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, because we had like two little pairs and then yeah, 143 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: I'm inn a space. And my mother in law at 144 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: the time was like, well, now you have to have 145 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 4: another one because she needs a friend, and so we 146 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 4: got a dog. 147 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: I was like, where is this good? 148 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: Now? 149 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: You should have seen my face for a second. 150 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we are at capacity. 151 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I totally get it. Well, you're a professor, and 152 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 2: I actually am not entirely sure how academic summer works. 153 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: So I guess to start us with that. What is 154 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: a professorial summer? And I think you mentioned something about 155 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: like your summer kind of starting before your kids summer, 156 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: so you have like a mom sabbatical. Tell us about 157 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: all that. 158 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 4: Oh, that was amazing. So this year my university finished 159 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: classes on May first, and my kids were in school 160 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: until June tenth. It was so great, Oh my goodness. 161 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: I loved it. Although the end of the school year 162 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 4: the routines get blown up. There are a million things 163 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: you have to do, so it was not as luxurious 164 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: as it looked on paper. It was really only a 165 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: couple of weeks, but they were really good weeks. I 166 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: liked it well. Academic appointments are generally nine months, so 167 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: generally we don't work in the summer, but most academics do. 168 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: It is really typical to work like eleven ninths so 169 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: to get paid for two more nights over the summer. 170 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: So for me, I teach a class that is eight 171 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: weeks long, but it is asynchronous online, so it was 172 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: really hard to develop, as you know from someone who 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: has created online courses. But once you've developed the course, 174 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: it is less of a heavy lift. So I mean, 175 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: I have students, I'm responding to students, I'm grading their work, 176 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: having office hours, but the bulk of the course creation 177 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: was done a while ago. So I teach that class 178 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 4: and then I also have a month for research slash 179 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: course prep. Because my job is really awesome. I direct 180 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: a really big general education course with about twelve hundred 181 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: students that's taught by about forty instructors, and I sort 182 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: of manage the logistics of that course for half of 183 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: my job. And then the other half of my job 184 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: is what you would imagine like a teaching faculty member does. 185 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: I teach large lecture, upper level classes to undergraduates. So 186 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: my summer work is really getting that big course ready 187 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: to go, hiring all the teachers, making sure the exams 188 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: are in place, dusting off the lesson planned, adding new content, 189 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 4: all of that fun stuff. So it's incredibly flexible and 190 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: I'm pretty much just home with my kids all summer. 191 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: That is amazing. What did you say? Well, first of all, 192 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: share with the listeners a tiny bit of like what 193 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: subjects you teach, because they're thinking, is this physics? Is 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: she French? 195 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 4: Oh? 196 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: Right, teaching? And then I guess I would love to know, like, 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: compared to your normal workload during the academic year, what 198 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: do you feel like, percentage wise, you're at during the summer. 199 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: Well, summer, I'm definitely more relaxed. I mean, I have 200 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 4: three months and I'm really only working for two of them, 201 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 4: kind of spread out over those three months, so definitely 202 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: less time going to the office, which is amazing because 203 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 4: I live in beautiful Madison, Wisconsin. But there is really 204 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: only like one way to get from east to west 205 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: in Madison, Wisconsin. It is ridiculous. We have three lakes 206 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: that sort of ruin the geography for roads in a 207 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: good way. But I live about seven miles from my 208 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: office and it takes about forty five minutes door to door, 209 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: So I love not going to the office as regularly. 210 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: In the summer, I teach communication. My PhD is in rhetoric, 211 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: and I teach classes in sort of rhetorical criticism, also 212 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: communication theory, rhetorical theory, the intersection of like rhetoric and politics. 213 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 4: I study the rhetoric of reproductive justice is like my 214 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: subject matter area of expertise. But the course I direct 215 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 4: is a public speaking course, like a big jen d. 216 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: Like all freshmen take this course kind of course. 217 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of them remember, and it serves as 218 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: a nice basis for them to build on, or at 219 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: least a light skib that they'll have forever after. 220 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: Yes, actually it's a really popular course. My instructors are amazing, 221 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: and public speaking is the number two fear in America. 222 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 4: It pretty much stays consistent at number two, but the 223 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 4: number one fear changes. Sometimes it's death, sometimes it's snakes, 224 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: sometimes it's spiders. Right now, though, death is like number four, 225 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: So people are cut all four because. 226 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm afraid of lightning. But really it's because I'm afraid 227 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: of dying from the lightning. So I'm afraid of am 228 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: I afraid of death? But I'm not afraid of public speaking? 229 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: And I bet you there you go no, but. 230 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: Most people are. But we make it fun. It's public 231 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 4: speaking is great and a skill students are going to 232 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 4: use forever. 233 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, So that is the work side 234 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: of things. I feel like I kind of have a 235 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: picture and we'll talk about the end of summer later 236 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: in this episode. So what kind of summer planning do 237 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: you do with your kids being ages five through college? 238 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: Which is quite the spread, And I would love to 239 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: hear because people are always interested in inspo, especially in 240 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: these like awkward ages, like what do kids do? What's 241 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: happening with your family this summer? 242 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 4: While I mean, I kind of think my older two 243 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 4: are on their own. They can plan their own summer 244 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: and they're doing a great job. But the middle schoolers. 245 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm having middle schoolers. It is probably the 246 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: busiest time, like the most hands on parenting time outside 247 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: of like the newborn age. Middle schoolers are super busy. 248 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 4: They have tons of things to do, and they have 249 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: no ability to get themselves there on their own at all, 250 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: like it is all on you. So my middle schoolers 251 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: are both involved in kind of intense sports. I have 252 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: a diver who competes like on the national circuit, and 253 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: then I have a dancer who's on a competitive dance team. 254 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: And luck for us, their sports kind of take care 255 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: of all of their scheduling. My diver is in the 256 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 4: pool three separate times a day at two different facilities, 257 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 4: one of which he can bike to but the other 258 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 4: one is a bit of a drive. And then my 259 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 4: dancer is in the studio about fifteen hours a week 260 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: taking class. So between those two things, their summer is covered. 261 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 4: So it's really just the five year old that I 262 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: have to think about and schedule for. She takes swimming lessons. 263 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 4: She is going to take a tennis lesson after her 264 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: swimming lesson, or maybe she should do it before because 265 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 4: I feel like she's going to get all hot. I 266 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: want to go in the pool, so I don't know, 267 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 4: maybe I can tweak that. 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: I feel like tennis should be first, although if you're 269 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: all wet from the pool, people get hot. I think 270 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: either would work. 271 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then maybe the pool will be open and 272 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: she can just run in for a swimmer. So she's 273 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: doing that. But those are really the only things that 274 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: she's doing that are things I had to sign up for. 275 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: So she is super funny. She is like a little 276 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: planner in the making. And she made herself a chorch art, 277 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: and she made herself a schedule, and then she decided 278 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 4: she wanted to have like themed days. So we're gonna 279 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: do make it Monday. We'll either bake something if it's 280 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 4: not too hot, or maybe we'll do a craft. She 281 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: checked out a really ambitious book from the library that's 282 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: like weaving and like three D sculptures. 283 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: So she's five guys, she's gonna be weaving. 284 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that sounds hard. We'll make some 285 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: friendship bracelets. I don't know. We're gonna do make it Monday. 286 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: We're gonna do new Park. Tuesday, We're gonna travel to 287 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: a park that she's never been. I don't know if 288 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: there are any parks that I haven't been to after 289 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: being a mom for like two decades. But maybe I'll 290 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: be surprised. 291 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: It'll be new to her. She's only got five years 292 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: to explore parks. 293 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: For sure, we're gonna do Sweet Treat Wednesday, which we 294 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: blatantly stole from Kelsey Wharton. 295 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to Kelsey when I have fun fact 296 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: Sarah I do. I was like, Kelsey, can you come on? 297 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: Best of both worlds? And She's like, I'm actually busy 298 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: all summer, and I'm like, I'm gonna call Sarah. 299 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: I love it. 300 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: I love it, although I wanted to have you both 301 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: on quite obviously, but she's. 302 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: Also having like an academic summer exactly exactly. 303 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll have her on later. 304 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 4: So Sweet Treat Wednesday for sure, and then we're gonna 305 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: go to the library on Thursday. I feel like I 306 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: need a library day in my life, especially because my 307 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: library stopped collecting fines, and I mean that's great, but 308 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: also I need the fine so I will read the book. 309 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: I mean, that's like why I'm so good at reading 310 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: my library books. So I gave myself a day. I 311 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: think it's gonna help and then we're doing fun Friday. 312 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: I love friend Friday. My other kids did this Sunday 313 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 4: were little. So Mini decorated a low paper bag it 314 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: says fun fund Friday. And then I cut up some 315 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: strips of paper and she wrote a fun idea on 316 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: each strip and put them in the bag. And every 317 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: Friday she's gonna draw something fun. And these are like 318 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: really low steaks fun like go bowling mikel Mini golfing, 319 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: have a water balloon, fy, bring out the slipping slide. 320 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: Not superad adventures. But she's really excited. I think she 321 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 4: wants to have a lemonade stand, which I really hate. 322 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: It's like one of my least favorite parenting things. 323 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan either. I'm like, oh, go 324 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: do that with your friend. That sounds amazing. 325 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: Yes, tell me about it after Yes, exactly. So that 326 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: is her summer plan, and I think it's gonna work 327 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: out really well. 328 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: It sounds awesome. We're gonna be right back, although I 329 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: have a follow up question. Okay, we'll leave everyone in suspense. Okay, So, 330 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: as we were just chatting, you have a very fun 331 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: summer with Minnie. I love the theme days. I think 332 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: that structure is going to really really help. And I 333 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: know that Minnie is I think compared to some of 334 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: my children. I say some because they have varied but 335 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: like pretty self sufficient kid, Like you'll be able to 336 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: get work done when you need to get work done. 337 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 2: That's not true of every five year old. But do 338 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: you have any tips for some people? Not having her 339 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: in camp a lot of the time would be just 340 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: a lot of hands on there, especially now that you've 341 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: gotten used to having her in school so takes her 342 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: is there? Like do you just not naturally find that 343 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: overwhelming or do you think having the like structure really helps? 344 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: Wow, I've always been pretty good at doing work around 345 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: the kids, and I think it's because I had my 346 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: first kid. When I was finishing up my PhD, I 347 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: took my prelim exams and I submitted my dissertation proposal, 348 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: which was like like a book proposal. It was like 349 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: a first chapter in an outline. And I got that 350 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: approved and I did my oral examination. I was done 351 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 4: except for writing my dissertation before I had a baby. 352 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 4: But I still had to write a situation before my 353 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: funding dried up. So I did that with a baby. 354 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: We had a nanny when he was really little, and 355 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: then I had another baby once I graduated, and they 356 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: went to like a part time daycare slash preschool, but 357 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: we still also had a nanny. But then once they 358 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: were both in like mourning preschool, like right before kindergarten, 359 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 4: we stopped all other childcare and my husband and I 360 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: just sort of started splitting the days that we were 361 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: home and the days that we went to work, and 362 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 4: we kept that structure up forever. I will say, you 363 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: can look at our career trajectories. I definitely like paid 364 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: the mommy tax, like I stayed in my job that 365 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: I got right out of grad school that I love 366 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 4: to be fair. And my husband has had a career 367 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: that has really grown, but he still works from home 368 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 4: two days a week, and so I do take advantage 369 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: of those two days. If I have really like deep 370 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: work that I need to get done, I can leave 371 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 4: the house and do it. Otherwise, I've really found that 372 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 4: mornings are my best time. The kids are in a 373 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 4: better mood, they're more easily entertained, the day is fresh, 374 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: everything is exciting. So I try to get all of 375 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: the stuff that I must do you done in the 376 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 4: morning and then in the afternoon. Once everybody is crabby 377 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: and even screens have lost their allure. I can be 378 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: more present and then we can have fun. 379 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: Then it's time for the baking project. I think to 380 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: stop Friday and the sweet Tree Wednesday. 381 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: I love it. 382 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: That structure definitely makes sense, and I love that you 383 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: mentioned like, I don't know, I feel like your trajectory 384 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: has been interesting because on this show, obviously we want 385 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: women to be able to pursue the kind of work 386 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: track and if that's what they want. But it's also 387 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: completely okay, and I think you did it so intentionally 388 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: to be like, I'm going to enjoy this academic career, 389 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: but I'm going to do it in a way that 390 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: allows me this kind of flexible setup. And by the way, 391 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: you're still doing very important and really cool work out 392 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: there while getting to enjoy a lot of time with 393 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: your kids, which is how you have preferred it. 394 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: Yes, and I won't say that I got a PhD 395 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 4: just because I love the academic schedule. But I'm not 396 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: saying that either. It's pretty great. It's great to have 397 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 4: a month off in the winter, which is longer than 398 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: the kids have. It's great to have a guaranteed spring break, 399 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 4: but the trade off is because I'm a nine month appointment, 400 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 4: I don't get vacation time, so like we can't just 401 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 4: travel in the middle of the school year because I'm teaching, 402 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 4: So we really have to be intentional about planning when 403 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 4: we take trips, everything around the academic calendar. My husband 404 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 4: now is a university administrator, and he doesn't get the 405 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 4: academic schedule, so we all sort of live by my calendar, 406 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 4: which I got to tell you, I like it. 407 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: No, that kind of makes sense, and I feel like, 408 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, travel wise, we'll skip ahead a little bit. 409 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: You guys are pretty dominated by your sports kids, and 410 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: by the way, we've done like sports episodes, but you 411 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 2: could do a sports parent episode. And I think it's 412 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 2: particularly interesting because like your kids are not the like 413 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: they're not ball sports, and every site has its own 414 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: little flavor. But being a dance and dive mom is 415 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: a little different. But I'm guessing does that kind of 416 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: dictate a lot of your travel? 417 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: Yes, especially in the summer. In the summer, we have 418 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 4: a week for dance nationals in June, and so June 419 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: is like a prime vacation time, but we can't do that. 420 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: And then my diver has two sets of nationals, one 421 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: over Memorial Day, and then he starts like a qualifying 422 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: series for another set of nationals at the beginning of August. 423 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: So that's like the whole summer, May, June, August, all 424 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: of the months, and then in July, lest you think 425 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: we could travel. In July, our city hosts the largest 426 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 4: amateur swim and dive meet in the country. So Madison 427 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: is a city of pool and tennis clubs. There are 428 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 4: thirteen that compete in the league against each other and 429 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: swimming and diving every week. So every week you'll go 430 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: to a meet at either Europool or another pool, and 431 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: then it culminates in July with the all City Swim 432 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: and Dive meet, which is like this week long extravaganza. 433 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: So that's it. That's our summer. We can't go anywhere. 434 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: That totally makes sense. Well, you segued really really well 435 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: for me there, because I grew up in a Philadelphia 436 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: suburbs and I do have some quote swim club memories, 437 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: and they I think my parents actually did join a 438 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: swim club for a couple of years, but it was 439 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 2: mostly me going with friends. I feel like whose parents 440 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: really leaned into swim club culture, and I think these 441 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: were especially non working parents actually, who would like hang 442 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: out basically all day long and then just like let 443 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: us run around and like order fried things and ice cream, 444 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: and yeah, it was pretty fun. Not gonna lie, tell 445 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: me about your pool life, because it's a big part 446 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: of your life, and I want some like pool day tips. 447 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly how I grew up. We belonged to 448 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 4: it was a country club. It was golf too, and 449 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: that was my entire summer as a kid. My mom worked, 450 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: she was a social worker, and she would just drop 451 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: us off at the pool on her way to work, 452 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: all three of us, and pick us up on the 453 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 4: way home. It was amazing. I remember my dad. We 454 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 4: had like these little old charge cards because it was 455 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 4: the old days. There were no key fobs or anything, 456 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 4: and you would have to sweat and they would I 457 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: think they would impret your card like every day when 458 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: you came into the pool, and then if you wanted 459 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 4: to charge anything at the but it was fancy, they 460 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 4: would bring things out to you on trees. And my 461 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: little brother was like the king of ordering dakers for 462 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 4: all of his friends, and my dad would get the 463 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: bill from the restaurant every month and just like steam 464 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 4: coming out of his ears like a cartoon. It was 465 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: so funny. But I really had a great time as 466 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 4: a kid in the summer, and so I really intentionally 467 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: wanted that for my kids, like staying at the pool 468 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 4: so long that you're like board of the pool, like 469 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: you have had so many ice creams, you're like, oh, 470 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: I don't even want any more ice cream. I love that. 471 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 4: So that's what we do. And if you're smart about it, 472 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: you can actually kind of get almost a whole day 473 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 4: of childcare out of those situations. They have great WiFi 474 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 4: at the pool and a nice shade tent. But the 475 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 4: kids can do the swim team, and then they can 476 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 4: do the dive team, and then they can take a 477 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 4: tennis lesson, and then it's lunchtime and then the pool opens. 478 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: I mean, that's it. That's the day. It's fantastic. I mean. 479 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 2: And the truth is, like anybody who was like, well 480 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: that sounds expensive, well camp is very totally expensive, and 481 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: especially if you have multiple kids in camp. So I'm 482 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: like doing the math and I'm like, maybe I should 483 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: have just joined some kind of a pool club. 484 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, done, And to get a team 485 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 4: they're on these teams, they get fat. I mean it 486 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: is the best. 487 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: That's super cool. Do you have like a packing ritual, 488 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: like what goes with. 489 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: You to the pool? 490 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: So much sunscreen? So the pool has a break every 491 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: hour at this happ of the hour to put the 492 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 4: lifeguard to break, so that is a great time to 493 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: apply sunscreen. I also, like I start out really like, 494 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: we're not gonna eat junk every day. You cannot have 495 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 4: every meal fried, Like you can't buy a four dollar 496 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 4: candy bar six times a day every time the whistle blows, 497 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: And I pack these snackleboxes and I bring like a 498 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 4: little cooler of treats. But by like the second week 499 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: of June, it's if that's over. There's literally the pool 500 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: charges three dollars and seventy five cents for a bag 501 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 4: of veggie straws. That is highway robbery. You can buy 502 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: the whole box at Costco for like fourteen ninety nine. 503 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: But by June, I've kind of given it up there. Yeah, 504 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: by the time everybody's listening to this and my kids 505 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: are charging up the veggie straws, so lots of toys. 506 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 4: Minie gets really bored at adult swim, so she brings 507 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: like a little cup and paint brushes and she paints 508 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 4: with water on the concrete. Okay, yeah, that's a heck. 509 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 4: I'm at a great age where the kids can all 510 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 4: swim and I don't really have to be in the 511 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 4: water stand over. I kind of feel like I have 512 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 4: to watch them a little bit. So that's hard for 513 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 4: me and my son protection, but I'm working on it. 514 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: And my three older boys all work at the pool, 515 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 4: so I feel like we're getting some of that membership back. 516 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: I have a pool manager, my oldest, I have a lifeguard, 517 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: and then my fourteen year old is working at the 518 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: front desk like checking id's this summer. So it's pretty great. 519 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: That is very exciting. Yeah, you are in skunts. I 520 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: love it, and I love by the way, Sarah as 521 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: we'll talk about the end has an og blog kind 522 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: of like mine, and I love reading about the pool 523 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: with your book. 524 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: It's so fun. I mean it's like, what, we can't 525 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: really go anywhere. We're stuck with our sports ball schedule, 526 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 4: so yeah, we go to the pool. I also have 527 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 4: a baseball player, I guess I forgot to mention that. 528 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 4: And baseball tournaments, Oh, those are long baseball games are 529 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: not short, and so we're talking like two and a 530 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 4: half hours per game, So think about a whole weekend 531 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 4: of that. I mean, that is intense. 532 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: That sounds. I mean, we use to do travel soccer 533 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: and I'm like, really not said, we're not doing that right. 534 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 4: Yes, it's like that, but so slow, like where you 535 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 4: might have had like seven games. 536 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: Those games are the tournaments. 537 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 4: There's a lot. 538 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I prefer gymnastics. Meet You're like in and then 539 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: in two hours and then you're done. You can move back. Well, 540 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: we're going to take another break and then we're going 541 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: to get into summer reading, which I love to talk about. 542 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: All right, we are back. We have discussed the pool, 543 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: keeping a five year old doing fun stuff and not 544 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 2: going crazy with the lack of structure, and now we 545 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: will talk about summer reading. CAUs Sarah is an enormous reader. 546 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: But do you read any differently during the summer. 547 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: I think I read more because I do read at 548 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 4: the pool, especially since I got a Kindle. I was 549 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 4: kind of like a late eReader adapter. It's only been 550 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 4: a couple of years, but I really like it for 551 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: the pool. I mean, when I'm finished with the book, 552 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: I can have another one in a second. It's fantastic. 553 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 4: So I read a lot more. I also I am 554 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 4: not a nighttime reader, especially in the summer, because the 555 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: days are really long. I mean, like my little one 556 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: gets up at six forty five, and then the older kids, 557 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 4: I mean, they come to life after like ten PM, 558 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: and I that is when I would really like to 559 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: be in bed, but that's when they want to talk 560 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 4: to me and hang out with me. So I feel 561 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 4: like I do like double shifts. So by the end 562 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 4: of the day, I am not reading in bed. I 563 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: am like hitting the pillow and that's it. It's over. 564 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 4: So I try to read every morning for at least 565 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: thirty minutes, like by myself, even if that means I 566 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: have to set an alarm and get up early just 567 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 4: to read, because otherwise it doesn't become a supernatural part 568 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: of my day. Because there are five kids who are 569 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 4: living in my house, and I think, oh, I'm finally 570 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 4: done packing lunches, but then I have five kids eating 571 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 4: lunch in my kitchen. I mean, oh, I be careful 572 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: what you wish for. I guess, so, yes, I think 573 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: I do end up reading more in the summer, and 574 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 4: I love beach reads, pool reads, fluffy books, thrillers, things 575 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 4: that you can just sort of speed through poolside love 576 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: it and you, I. 577 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: Mean you read some of that stuff the rest of 578 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: the year, but you feel like you like really like 579 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 2: lean into it, lean and ye. 580 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 3: It's fun. 581 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: It's just nice to have some kind of seasonality to 582 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: your reading. And I have definitely embraced the beach read 583 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: as well. 584 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. 585 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: It's so fun. All right, Well, this is the sad 586 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: part of summer, right, It does have to come to 587 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: an end. Oh my goodness, how does yours come to 588 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: an end? Do you end up going back to college 589 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: work before the kids are going back to school? How 590 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: do you navigate that and how do you like get 591 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: your kids in for a soft landing. I haven't actually 592 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 2: mastered that myself, so I'm curious so hard. 593 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: It's like an abrupt shift. I do go back a 594 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: little early. The faculty contract your star around August twentieth. 595 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: Usually in Wisconsin kids don't go to school until after 596 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: Labor Day. It's like an old farm law on the 597 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: books because they had to help get the I don't know, 598 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 4: get the harvestice or something on what people are doing 599 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 4: in September. But yes, so they don't go to school 600 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: to after Labor Day. But I start working a couple 601 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 4: weeks before, and that has thankfully gotten so much easier. 602 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 4: But oh my goodness, when the kids were little, that 603 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: was like the worst two weeks in my life because 604 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: I really had to be at work. I was meeting 605 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 4: my brand new instructors. It was exciting. I love like 606 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 4: teacher training time, but I had little kids. I remember 607 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 4: one year when my thirteen year old was a baby, 608 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: my parents came to stay with us because I was 609 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: nursing and she wasn't taking a bottle and they had 610 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 4: a classroom. I booked them a classroom down the hall 611 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 4: and they just held the baby. They brought her to 612 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: me when she needed to eat, they took her for 613 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 4: a walk on campus. It was adorable because my husband 614 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 4: was home with the other little kids at that time. 615 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 4: So every year it has gotten easier and easier to 616 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: go back before the kids, and the last few summers 617 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: I have been so excited, like so ready to be like, 618 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 4: hope everybody's okay, see you at five, because that is 619 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 4: the beauty of having a million children. There's always somebody 620 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: home to help take care of littler kids, so that 621 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 4: has become much less stressful for me. We sort of 622 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 4: get excited about the school supply lists and fall fashion 623 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: in the stores and new shoes. I think we use 624 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: shopping as a way to ease into the back to 625 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: school season because it's so fun to get all the 626 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: new things. 627 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: It totally is, and it is kind of a way 628 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: of like I mean, of course, it's also like keeping 629 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: capitalism alive, but it's a way of getting kids like 630 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: excited about it. And I mean, obviously when I think 631 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: about back to school, I actually think about that more 632 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: than almost anything else, Like getting to your shoes right, 633 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: and like picking out the binder. 634 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 4: Yes, the binder, the little pencil case. I mean, the 635 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: kids get really excited about their school supplies. And the 636 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: last couple of years we've had college kids to move 637 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: in and so that's fun too because they start when 638 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: I start, like mid August, so that becomes a really 639 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: nice transition, like a couple of brothers are out of 640 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: the house. We're readjusting to these new rhythms. 641 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: It's great, yes, and you'll have two movements this year. 642 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: It's crazy woof Well, okay, where can listeners? 643 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: Mind? 644 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: You and then oh, I forgot to include in my notes. 645 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: But I know that you're going to think you on 646 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: the fly, so it's fine. We always do a love 647 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: of the week, you know that. So we're both going 648 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: to have to come up with the love of the 649 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: week because I didn't write one down either, but I 650 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: already came up with it. So, yeah, do you have 651 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: do you want me to go first to give you 652 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: some time? 653 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: I do have one though, because you really love it. 654 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 4: I have. It's called a Sobu. It's in a Sobu 655 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: cold brew coffee maker. It is the best thing. It's 656 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 4: like a pour over cold brew system. It's just like 657 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: a funnel and a like stainless steel jar, and you 658 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 4: put the grounds in the funnel, dump cold water on it, 659 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: put it in the fridge for like twenty four hours, 660 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 4: so you have to like think ahead. But then when 661 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: it has brewed for twenty four hours, you push a 662 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: button and it like decants into the stainless steel part 663 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 4: and you have a jug of cold brew coffee. It 664 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: is the best for summer. 665 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: I love it. 666 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 4: Well. 667 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: Now I feel like I need to go for something summery, 668 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go with my favorite mosquito spray and 669 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: that is by the brand Bends, and it's very serious. 670 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: Like if you are not a fan of date, you 671 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: won't like this, but if you just don't want to 672 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: get any mosquito bites ever, you will love this. And 673 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: I happen to be like that one person who will 674 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: attract the one bug in the state. It will come 675 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: and bite me ten times and I will react violently 676 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: to it. So I need this or also I'm getting 677 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: like West Nile Daney everything, So uh huh. Yeah, that's 678 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: one of my favorite summer items, honestly, Like if I 679 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: had to like rank everything, I mean, sunscreen and bug 680 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: spray would be like above pretty much anything else. 681 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 4: Okay, wait, so you're a pediatrician, so you're a pediatric doctor. 682 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 4: Yeah you know this. My kid's doctor is constantly asking 683 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 4: us before we use bugspray, and we really don't. Should 684 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 4: we be using bugspray? 685 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: Oh man, we're getting medical on the show. I mean, 686 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: it probably depends on where you live and what is endemic. 687 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm from self, so you know, we used to have 688 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: like Zeka running around. So it's like the benefits and 689 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: there are still other mosquito born illnesses that you can get. 690 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what's likely to happen in Wisconsin. Some 691 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: mosquito repellents also contain ingredients that repel ticks if you 692 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: look on the bottle, and obviously that is a risk 693 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: in like New England and maybe Wisconsin. 694 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: I don't know. Yes, So are you. 695 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: Kind of like a fan of not getting bug bites? 696 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 4: So it should just be like with the sunscreen, we 697 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 4: should just spray it out before we. 698 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: Get I think it depends on where you live, like 699 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: where we live. If you are not moving around, if 700 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: you have the right like skin type, and you're attractive 701 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: to mosquito, it's like you It's not like will you 702 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: get a bite, It's like how many will you get? 703 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay? 704 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: Really pretty much to use it. But people really vary 705 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: in their attractiveness to insects, even like within my family. 706 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: So I mean, you know yourself. 707 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 4: I'm like a mosquito feast. I don't know, I'm delicious. Thanks, 708 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 4: thank you? 709 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: Well, where can listeners find you, Sarah? Because this interview, 710 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: I know they're gonna want way more. 711 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 4: Oh wow, I have a very old school blog a 712 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 4: lot like your blog. I think mine is a little 713 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: bit younger. It's the same age as my oldest kid. 714 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 4: It's called Harry Times, so because it was like a newspaper, 715 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: like the Hairy Time, I mean blogs. 716 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: I kind of love it, like it's so funny and 717 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 2: you can't change it. 718 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's so ridiculous. So yes, I'm still 719 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 4: on blog spot even but it's just Hairy Times dot com. 720 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: And I'll link it in the show notes as well. Thanks, 721 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on, Sarah. This was 722 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: a blast. 723 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. 724 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: Well we are back and that was a great interview 725 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: with Sarah jed So talking with our Sarah here, this 726 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: listener writes in how do you get the family to 727 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: agree on a movie? 728 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: Or do you? 729 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: I wish it was easy to get the family to 730 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: agree on movies, but eight year old girl, twelve year 731 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: old boy, fourteen year old girl with a really really 732 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: specific preferences, it's hard. So I actually have stopped trying 733 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: so hard, but I really do. I'm on the lookout 734 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: for things that I think will appeal to everyone, and 735 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: if I feel confident there's a good chance, I will 736 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: really try to enforce that everyone should at least sit 737 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: there for fifteen minutes and see and if they don't 738 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: like it, then they can go off on their own 739 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: and do whatever. And this was a success the other 740 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: day with remarkably bright creatures. Everyone seemed to like it, 741 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean in varying levels, but like no one was 742 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: running away. And then we all went to the theaters 743 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: and saw Project Hail Mary together. So it's like we 744 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: got to find that sweet spot. But then I'm not 745 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: gonna force it, Like Cameron's not gonna watch Dance Moom's 746 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 2: next generate. Well he might, but probably not next generation. 747 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 2: And Annabel is never going to watch Star Wars, nor 748 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: will I for that matter. So that can be the 749 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: time that I just accept people splitting up. And I've 750 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: tried to just loosen up about like maybe some nights 751 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: we're just all on our own devices enjoying our own entertainment, 752 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: and that's not like necessarily a tragedy as long as 753 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: it's not all the time. 754 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 755 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: Well, so my family does not tend to watch movies 756 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: as a group. There are occasionally children who will cluster 757 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: in groups of two or three to watch something together, 758 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: a movie that they are interested in. And we have 759 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: a setup up in the third floor where you can 760 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: have sit in these chairs and watch movies. They will 761 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: play video games together sometimes too, so I think that's 762 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: sort of similar in terms of having screen time together. 763 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: Where it tends to be a family activity is when 764 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Michael is taking the kids out to a movie. As 765 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: we discussed in a previous episode, I. 766 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 3: Am not the movie parent. He is the movie parent. 767 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: So it's never a seven person thing, but there have 768 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: definitely been ones where he's taken like the four kids 769 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: who are still at home to a movie, and so 770 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: like five people going to a movie together, it tends 771 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: to be like a new release, big thing, right, like 772 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: the Mandalorian movie or something like that, that. 773 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 3: Everyone's going to want to check out. 774 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's hard. I mean there's too many people, 775 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: right if they're different ages and all that. And some 776 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: people have had some success with like classic movies because 777 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: those were designed for general audiences, Like the only way 778 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: you could get sort of screen based in entertainment was 779 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: everyone went to go see. 780 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: I don't know the sound of music or something like that. 781 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: But you know, modern children might find some of these 782 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: a bit slow moving, so again you might have to 783 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: try what Sarah did with the fifteen minutes and then 784 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: you can leave because I don't like the idea of 785 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: forcing kids to watch screens, Like I thought we were 786 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: trying to get kids off of screens. So if they 787 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: don't want to sit and watch a movie, I'm not 788 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: sure that that's like should. 789 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: Be required as a family activity. 790 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 2: And it's not like you're doing something wrong. If everyone 791 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: doesn't like the same things, I mean, you probably don't 792 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 2: like every I don't like everything. I mean I definitely 793 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: don't like everything. 794 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, if you have like a 795 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: smaller family, I don't know, like one kid and two parents, 796 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: you probably maybe you could have a little bit more 797 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: likely that all three of you would be willing to 798 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: watch something, especially if the parents were a bit more 799 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: willing to lean toward what the kid was interested in. 800 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: But triplet you see as the number of people stacks 801 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: up and. 802 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: The age differences. But if maybe you had like identical triplets, 803 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: their taste might be more likely to swing in the 804 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: same direction, more likely to be the same. 805 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you can all watch a movie that 806 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: they were interested in. All right, Well, this has been 807 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. Sarah has been interviewing Sarah Jed. 808 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more on making 809 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: work and life. 810 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: Fit together. 811 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 812 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 813 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 2: and you can. 814 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 815 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 816 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.