WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: The Emotions 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.760 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:10.120 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.440 Hey what's up, y'all? 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.479 This is Questlove And as you've noticed throughout June, we 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.640 are celebrating black music cum by releasing an. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.000 Episode every day. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.560 So every day you're either going to hear a special 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:30.040 PIIC QLs classic and on Wednesdays we're dropping new two 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.159 part episodes with Wayne Brady and James Poyser, both of 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.080 which were filmed in studio, so make sure you also 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.120 watch us on YouTube. And on this QLs we sat 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.600 down with the emotions. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:46.400 That's right, the emotions. This is a special comprehensive chat three. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:52.559 Incredible Grammy Award winners, total manions, ladies and gentlemen. This 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:57.160 is QLs classic from May tenth, twenty seventeen. With the emotion, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.800 we talked to the Grammy Award winning shook Alco Willnoise 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.320 songbirds who had five decades under their belts of harmonies, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:09.120 hits and samples that have become the staple of our lives, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.440 joining them when it's also why am fon of Doctor 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.120 Dre's The Pharmacy Show, and they recall their family history. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.559 And song and memories. It's really cool. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.959 We hope you enjoyed this episode of Kills Classic with the. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:37.360 Emotions Suprimo so So Supremo, roll call Suprema sun So Supremo, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:44.040 roll call Supremo so some supremo role called Suprema so 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.880 So Suprema. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.160 Don't touch that down. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.360 Yeah, don't push into yeah, because you getting the best. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:59.680 Yeah, Suprema Roma suck. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.240 My name is Fante. Yeah, I am not quest lost, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.200 but it is my love. You get the best. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:21.560 Of Bill is my name? Yeah, chilling with the tribe. Yeah, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.320 shout out to the emotions. Yea for my jam love vide. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:37.560 Sup My name is Sugar. Yeah, we in l a Yeah, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:44.959 all these emotions. It's our last day, sup. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.679 Supremom montaid Bill. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:51.440 Yeah. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:52.799 Drinking cambucha. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:03:06.639 Yeah, it's my ear. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:08.800 Yeah, and I'm very excited. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:09.440 Yeah. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:10.880 Three beautiful ladies. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.680 Yeah, I know why I was invited? 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:20.760 Who Suppreval? Whoa came suppriva some supreval. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:22.800 My name is Wanda. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.400 Yeah, you got the best on my leaf. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:26.280 I have a. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.720 Passion, Yeah, from the gift. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:36.880 Of sure Suprema so sure. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.120 I'm Waryan Vaughn. Yeah, the voice of reason. Yeah, I'm hot, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.280 I'm spicy. Call me well season. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:52.800 Whoa supprival, Suppriva some supreval. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.960 My name is Pam, Yeah, and I just came here. 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:58.960 Give you my number. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:00.840 I'll play your game. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:09.880 Suprema suck, Suprema Roma, No come. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:17.000 Suprema son, Supremo bro called suprema some Supremo ro. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.760 Call damn. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:21.240 Me. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.599 I can't but your future rhyme ship rhymes with cam. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.200 It was pay drinking cam. Butch happy than toilets. I'm 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:33.920 from the future. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.640 At least I got to say those also pretty futuristic 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.000 toilets I am. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.680 I'm so busy trying to coordinate my sample that I 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:56.400 couldn't that I couldn't. I was trying to coordinate my sample. Wowl. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.479 That is so funny. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.800 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Course Love 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.839 Supreme or on Pandorah. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:11.240 We are in the presence of Royalty man, Ladies and gentlemen, Yes, royalties. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.640 For over five decades, the world is has has has 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.760 been blessed with a distinct harmony and vocal stylings of 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.480 our next guests. From their humble beginnings in Chicago, Chicago 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:28.040 correct Yeah. As a gospel group, the Sunbeam Hutchison exactly 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:33.240 uh later, evolving on the world stage as the Emotions. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.640 Ladies and gentlemen, Please welcome our very distinct guests, our 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.360 first group. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.080 Well, yes, there's our first singing group. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:47.600 Our first singing group. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:53.559 Welcome, Oh, Madame, Pamela Hutcheson, Wanda Vaughn, and Hyan Vaughn, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.839 collectively known in our hearts as the emotional. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.000 So delighted to be here. I just must say, quest, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.200 I just love seeing you play those drums. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.400 I can't, I really can't. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.080 I know people think I'm being disingenuous when I say 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.560 I can't believe you know that I'm alive. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:23.000 But this is this is really a great moment for me. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.240 So, you know, for the purpose of our show is 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.960 to really go in depth into a guest that we 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.719 have on the show, because oftentimes, you know, you don't 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.400 you have favorites, but you really don't know them as 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:44.320 as people. And you know, especially pre uh this decade, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.720 you know, people's lives are always on display more than 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.960 their talent or whatever. You know, there's a lot of us, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.200 me included that you know, I don't know much about 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:00.039 the emotions as at as humans. You know, I know 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.720 about your beginnings in Chicago. So you guys started and 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.960 obviously in church, in church, that's true. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.600 We were singing on Sunday sometimes Maya Jackson's Church over 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.400 on eighty seventh Street, right down the street from what 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:20.120 was the guys that played the boys, uh from Chicago. No, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:25.680 not the Shighlights, but okay, the Jackson five Emotions and 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.960 the little guy that sings and drums. Oh I know, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.440 huh No not man condition that. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.720 He said, she said, singing and drum. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.280 Well, because they played the drums and then their sister 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:43.960 was in the group the Stairsteps steps, the five Stairsteps. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.840 Because we all did the Apollo together. Just so happened 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.680 the very first time we did it. Follow Jackson five Emotions. Yeah, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:08:00.360 and Ronnie millsap however, but anyway. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.920 Wait about Yeah, he had a hit in the eighties. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.040 Never had it so good. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.320 No, No, there was another one. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.360 It's top forty hight which one I can't remember. I remember. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:15.960 I'll get back to you. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:25.720 Let's let's we can We did skip. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.760 Played the Apollo, Yes, that is mind blowing. Well he's blind, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:33.439 so okay. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:43.839 Anyway, but we had a gospel show there in Chicago, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:49.600 called the We actually sang in al Abram's Pontiac. It 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.679 was a showroom of all the Pontiacs that were at 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:57.160 that time, Tempest, the Grand Prix, and we were the singers. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.200 My father playing guitar. He also sold the cars and 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.559 people insurance and that's where we met Don Carnilius. He 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.000 was actually giving insurance. I mean he was a salesman there, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.520 you know. But anyway, and we sang with a Jubilee 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.040 showcase which is now on YouTube. It was on the 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.640 Unsung But anyway, that was our first and I just 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.800 happened to because you know how social Security sent you 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.880 your very first thing that you did. That was the 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.120 first thing that we did. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.040 Wow. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.480 And from what seven to eight years old when we 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.679 first met you guys, ye win the emotion. Well we 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.880 were they and then of course the Staples Singers. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.320 I was about to say, so it was sort of 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.160 like your father was Pops was our father. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.440 Like Pop Staples, but he got Purviose Staples to manage. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.079 He was our manager. You know when we got with. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.880 Have a nightclub too, because I know that he. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.360 Left the seventy ninth Street. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.640 Yeah, he left the State Singers too. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.199 I had a big Cadillac on the top of it, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.640 and that's when he was going with Melville Moore. But 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.520 I remember that we were singing there about once a 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.440 month and he would have people that come in town 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.920 come there and Joe Simon, I mean, all the best. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.040 How easy was it to. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.439 Well, obviously you must have had your your your parents' 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.520 blessings because they're in the act with you. But I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.400 often hear times of groups that start in gospel, yes, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.280 and try to sort of sneak their way into the 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.760 secular world to the night clubs and whatever, like, how 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:38.160 do you. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.480 Was it easy to switch the two? 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.360 It was more of a situation for my grandmother, dad's 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:51.679 mom out of Terre Haute, Indiana and Mama Rose and 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.559 she was like, wow, you know you brought them girls 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.880 up to sing for God now singing for the devil. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.440 Ain't bought of that, And I mean she was really 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.839 like that. And our first at the what's the Regal 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.520 Theater in Chicago when we won the contract and sixty 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.640 nine to sing on Stax records, I can't go, I 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.920 can't go, and you girls, you got to say, he said, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.320 but you got to promise me. You got to sing 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.680 a gospel song every time you do a show, and 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.080 if anybody knows us, when we do a show, we 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.560 sing gospel. Yeah, so we kept that part in there. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.679 I said, but Mama, we're not singing about people who 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:36.160 aren't married. We're just singing about people were getting married. Yes, yes, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.680 And you know, Sheila wrote the first song, so I 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.960 Can Love You, which Isaac Hayes produced. But anyway, that 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.160 was the first thing that came out in nineteen sixty nine. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:51.320 So what was that whole at least that the grind 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.360 between Because I'm certain that you guys between Chicago. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.199 I'm sure that you went to Memphis. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.720 That's where we recorded in Memphis, Tennessee. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:05.440 But I mean between Chicago, like just the Midwest, between Chicago, Indiana, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.240 just that whole circuit. What was it like like was 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:13.240 everyone i mean a typical day for those contests or 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.000 whatever were They're always. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.880 Yes, And we were still in school, so we always 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.800 did the contest at the school, you know, at the 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.800 high school and the junior high and we would have 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.320 and everyone would want to sing with us because we 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.200 still sang in Chicago before we had a record deal, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.680 so people knew of us, you know, in the area 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.440 because my father had a radio show on the gospel 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.679 morning radio, you know situation, so everyone kind of knew us. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.120 So they would want to sing with the hutcheson sunbeams 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.320 when we would do the what do you call the 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.320 show the Jubilee showcase, but you know we'd have to 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.280 pick someone who's the winner the auditions. Oh yeah, talent 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.320 show challenge all the time. That was a big thing 0:12:55.320 --> 0:13:00.520 in Chicago. Yeah, and then all of the radio folks, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.120 they always came out to the school. That's what's so 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.160 different about this age and before they were more into 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.920 the community exactly. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.480 It was at the Community Process Center. Yes, that even 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.680 at nine years old. Yes, my brother had its own 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.880 band and I sang Aretha Franklin song by myself. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:23.520 That's back. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.120 I didn't have a you know, at nine years old, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.960 I wanted to be kind of flashy, so I had 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:36.440 an orange dress, red socks, a green pearl necklace. I 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.480 was real colorful. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.360 Rainbow Can't would be the guy, I don't know if 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:48.079 you remember her, the gent from Yes, and he would 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.800 come to all the sock hops. We had sock cops. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.880 We tried to start that. We came out here, people 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:58.000 went socks. Communities are going to come on the night. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.120 I don't know what sock hop in the gym because. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.280 You can't wear your shoes and dance, so you take 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.120 off your shoes. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:07.160 I didn't know that. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.120 I didn't know most people were bobby socks. I thought 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.120 that that's what it was. Well, you couldn't wear shoes 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:13.880 on the floor. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:19.240 Yet it socks, yes, because you're on the court where 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.560 the basketball players and you know you can't wear. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.560 You didn't want to scuff it up, right, Okay, they. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.680 Were dancing and flipping and doing all that. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.040 H Yes. And then at the Catholic Church, which is 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.400 amazing because all the black folks went to the Catholic 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.240 Church just to the sock hop. There was the skating. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.720 You skate to the seventies music at the UH at 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.760 the Catholic Church because they had the big arena, you know. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.480 So but it was amazing because we come out and 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.600 then all the white people be standing outside because they 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:53.280 wouldn't come in on the nights that we that we 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:53.920 had to skating. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.920 Integrated well, well at that time. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.480 Not at that time, and even when it does. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.840 You know, Chicago has always been an interesting like segregated 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:03.720 type city. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:04.120 Interesting. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.000 Interesting, yes, yes, still. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.560 But the church let us have it there. And there 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.000 was certainly a Catholic you know, it wasn't the Baptist church. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.480 It was, it was, but they wanted to be a 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.240 part of the community, which was really something. And uh 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.440 and even the largest like the car dealers and so forth, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.400 they would let us have They would move the cars 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.760 back and let people have a dance situation or talent. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.200 And you know what, it was really smart because they 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.320 got their parents and then you know, they're fixing to 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.440 buy a car, so they're going to buy a car 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.240 from the place where they can go dance. And I'm like, gosh, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.000 I wish La had that kind of a you know now, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:40.840 but I don't know. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.520 I don't know if anywhere has that kind of a thing. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:42.760 Now. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.120 I was going to say. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.240 That community, it seemed like that was the center of 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:56.040 everything though, that every like the radio outlets, cars, church, 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.760 every one sold into the community. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.480 That's true. That's kind of awesome. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.400 So okay, so you said that, uh, Don Cornelius would 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.120 be there, did you You guys obviously did the local 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.680 version of Soul Training correct, Yes, yeah. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.960 We did. The very first one. Channel twenty six which 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.600 was UHF. The very trains were on UHF. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.920 So how revolutionary was that at the time in Chicago, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:25.280 Like the idea of a show where you saw black 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.600 teenagers dancing and. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:28.840 It was a really big deal. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.680 It was really uh because it was you know they 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.400 normally the people would have what was that that guy? 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.800 The real famous dance show American? 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:38.480 Yes. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.640 Yes, and this was. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.160 Before they moved out here, before they moved Soul Trains. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.760 The local Chicago. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.560 Yeah, the room, the room a little bigger than this. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.920 Well, the actual room where the coomber was at that 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.640 hotel you know down there downtown. I had to wait 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.040 with play. Yeah, that's the whole album. Were not were 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.879 the dancing part where the people were Yeah it was small. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.879 Yeah did you do that one with the Monty you 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.399 know what she's talking about what we were actually saying. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.359 But the dance part was in the lobby kind of 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.440 you know, it was bigger. Yeah, it wasn't. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:21.960 It sounds like two different. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.880 You were nine years Okay, that was. 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.480 In the group I did that. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.200 It was that question about this is you you both 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.960 must know this is a real family business. And it's 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.959 so funny because I have to remember, like these are 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:39.560 real sisters. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:40.840 I see them as mom and Aunty. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.760 But when they have their fun times like this, I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.719 have to remember, like as if it was me and 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.800 my sisters, that's called step back. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.080 I don't have jurisdiction. And that the fight was not. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.840 To us on YouTube. We didn't even know that was 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:58.399 on YouTube. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.800 That was the one though, when you guys did when 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.280 you had the white one and you did. Best of 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:08.320 my love was that. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:04.439 It was. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.480 Telling you about that, Yeah. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.879 That's the established one, the before when it's black and 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.080 white and before and white before it you know, got 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.879 big yes that vers. But you also mentioned, like a 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.239 lot of your contemporaries, you just ever so casually like 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.080 so because because Chicago is just the epicenter and such 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.760 a musical you know, birthplace for for many of our 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.639 favorites on a casual week like who were you seeing 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.920 that that are gods now? 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.880 But who it was? Just who would you run into? 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:49.440 And the impressions all the time, and shot by yeah, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.240 Shot we went to school together and when they had 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.840 the when King that thing happened and they were looting 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.280 and doing all of this so called Chaka and I 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.080 went to the Disciples, you know, the gangs, and because 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.160 they loved us and knew us, they let us talk 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.919 to them and you know, in the same room, and 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.679 the police used us to go. I mean, it was 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.880 just so wonderful, used us to go into their places 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.200 where they would meet to talk to them and like, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.119 don't go over here. You know that's brother so and 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.639 so's right business. And they were okay, so they and 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.639 they did it, and we were like so shocked because 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.679 me and Shaka had these froze like this, and we 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.920 had those tops that stopped right here and the mail 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:38.640 bottle pair and they would really listen to yea let's 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.240 But anyway, it was it was quite quite a situation. 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.719 Then you had that one picture when you guys were 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.159 singing at Maheia's church and Mahea Jackson was looking up. 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:52.719 Did you see her often? 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.840 Yes, because my dad because he was singing with us 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.040 when we were doing gospel and so what we would 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.920 go to her church. It would be like a son 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.760 the every other it was the tea when they would 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.359 have the tea and we would do this repertoire and 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.399 when Dad would sing with us, we did uh what 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.480 was that? Alba Maria? We would do all these songs 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.280 and things like barbershop or for a four or five 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.719 part harmony, and he played well, he did play electric 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.440 then because he started out not playing electric, but he 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.119 would play these songs. And so she would ask if 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.399 we did Prodigal Son and Somewhere over the Rainbow, you know, 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.440 a lot of songs like that. And she said, she says, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.240 are you going to put these girls in some kind 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.159 of music conservatory? I would love to, you know, be 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.640 a part of their education. I mean she actually said 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.119 that to him. When we were we weren't even thinking about, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:39.720 you know, music, because. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:44.280 Did you realize that she was Yes, because all these 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.439 people would come from uh because it was in a 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.080 black neighborhood, and they would be coming from Europe or 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:49.840 coming from wherever. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.920 They hear her sing, and she would do that home song. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.600 She would do the oh my gosh, the song that 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.600 was in the movie, you know, Imitation of Life, Oh 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.320 my God. But she could sing, yes, the red amazing grace. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.960 When she was your skin would crawl, mind, ye would 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.159 just crawl. And then I wasn't even you know, I 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:10.679 was a kid, and I was like, why is my 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.920 skin crumb? I mean, and she's not singing all these 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.080 runs that everybody does today, she's not. But she's just 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.200 singing that gutteral and and and then she had very 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.600 little vibrato, and she knew when to make it the 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.959 smooth tone and the contralto. And I didn't know those words, Dan, 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.919 I couldn't figure out what was it making me go? 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.679 You know? But anyway, I kind of enveloped it into 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.160 my lead singing. And it was really a thing because 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.840 I always sung the gospel, mostly in the group, and 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.800 she had a way of doing a guttural low squall 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.679 that I've never heard anyone do, and but she she 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.679 did it. And I mean, your you just everyone in 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.400 the place is crying. It's like, why are they crying? 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:55.879 You know? 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.800 I mean, but anyway, so, how did you learn because 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.560 hearing you use the term contralto and you know, the 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.040 ver broader and everything. Did you ever actually take like 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.720 formal lessons or with these just things you picked up? 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.000 My father, My father he had us like, you know, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.440 when we would rehearse, he would have us just listen 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.720 to uh now, I believe or not. We watched the 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:20.800 Lawrence Welk show, Oh Wow, what's those girls that say? 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.399 And we did a lot of commercials in town that were, uh, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.280 those guys the high lows, and we got to go 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.399 down there to the barber shop stuff. Yeah, where the 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:35.560 impressions recorded is actually where the CBS studios at that time, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.679 and we got a chance to watch them and we 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.399 were like, wow, that's how Dad to are singing, you know, 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.560 because we sang a cappella in the rehearsal. We weren't 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.760 singing with music and stuff. And so Dad would go 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.280 and you knew what this meant? You go, you go high? 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.639 Because no one could figure out. I remember when b 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.080 Angie b was recording I Don't Want to Lose Your 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.200 Love and she said, how did you guys sing the 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:01.200 the harmony? 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:02.159 You know? 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.320 One time you be on top of the other one. Yeah. 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.960 My father was into fourths and fifths because he said 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:12.440 those were the anointed intervals intervals and anytime you see 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.240 those movies, do that interval is always a fourth or 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.600 a fifth. Well I really didn't know that then, but 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.240 Dad would tell us the stuff. I'm like, no, where 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:22.760