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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: Hey what's up, y'all?

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Speaker 1: This is Questlove And as you've noticed throughout June, we

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Speaker 1: are celebrating black music cum by releasing an.

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Speaker 1: So every day you're either going to hear a special

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Speaker 1: PIIC QLs classic and on Wednesdays we're dropping new two

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Speaker 1: part episodes with Wayne Brady and James Poyser, both of

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Speaker 1: which were filmed in studio, so make sure you also

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Speaker 1: watch us on YouTube. And on this QLs we sat

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Speaker 1: down with the emotions.

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Speaker 2: That's right, the emotions. This is a special comprehensive chat three.

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Speaker 1: Incredible Grammy Award winners, total manions, ladies and gentlemen. This

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Speaker 1: is QLs classic from May tenth, twenty seventeen. With the emotion,

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Speaker 1: we talked to the Grammy Award winning shook Alco Willnoise

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Speaker 1: songbirds who had five decades under their belts of harmonies,

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Speaker 1: hits and samples that have become the staple of our lives,

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Speaker 1: joining them when it's also why am fon of Doctor

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Speaker 1: Dre's The Pharmacy Show, and they recall their family history.

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Speaker 2: And song and memories. It's really cool.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode of Kills Classic with the.

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Speaker 3: Emotions Suprimo so So Supremo, roll call Suprema sun So Supremo,

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Speaker 3: roll call Supremo so some supremo role called Suprema so

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Speaker 3: So Suprema.

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Speaker 2: Don't touch that down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't push into yeah, because you getting the best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Suprema Roma suck.

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Speaker 2: My name is Fante. Yeah, I am not quest lost,

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Speaker 2: but it is my love. You get the best.

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Speaker 4: Of Bill is my name? Yeah, chilling with the tribe. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: shout out to the emotions. Yea for my jam love vide.

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Speaker 5: Sup My name is Sugar. Yeah, we in l a Yeah,

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Speaker 5: all these emotions. It's our last day, sup.

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Speaker 2: Supremom montaid Bill.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Drinking cambucha.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's my ear.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm very excited.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Three beautiful ladies.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I know why I was invited?

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Speaker 2: Who Suppreval? Whoa came suppriva some supreval.

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Speaker 6: My name is Wanda.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you got the best on my leaf.

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Speaker 7: I have a.

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Speaker 6: Passion, Yeah, from the gift.

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Speaker 2: Of sure Suprema so sure.

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Speaker 9: I'm Waryan Vaughn. Yeah, the voice of reason. Yeah, I'm hot,

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Speaker 9: I'm spicy. Call me well season.

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Speaker 3: Whoa supprival, Suppriva some supreval.

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Speaker 10: My name is Pam, Yeah, and I just came here.

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Speaker 11: Give you my number.

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Speaker 8: I'll play your game.

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Speaker 2: Suprema suck, Suprema Roma, No come.

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Speaker 3: Suprema son, Supremo bro called suprema some Supremo ro.

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Speaker 2: Call damn.

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Speaker 6: Me.

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Speaker 2: I can't but your future rhyme ship rhymes with cam.

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Speaker 2: It was pay drinking cam. Butch happy than toilets. I'm

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Speaker 2: from the future.

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Speaker 1: At least I got to say those also pretty futuristic

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Speaker 1: toilets I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm so busy trying to coordinate my sample that I

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Speaker 2: couldn't that I couldn't. I was trying to coordinate my sample. Wowl.

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Speaker 8: That is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Course Love

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Speaker 1: Supreme or on Pandorah.

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Speaker 2: We are in the presence of Royalty man, Ladies and gentlemen, Yes, royalties.

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Speaker 1: For over five decades, the world is has has has

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Speaker 1: been blessed with a distinct harmony and vocal stylings of

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Speaker 1: our next guests. From their humble beginnings in Chicago, Chicago

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Speaker 1: correct Yeah. As a gospel group, the Sunbeam Hutchison exactly

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Speaker 1: uh later, evolving on the world stage as the Emotions.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Please welcome our very distinct guests, our

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Speaker 1: first group.

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Speaker 12: Well, yes, there's our first singing group.

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Speaker 2: Our first singing group.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Oh, Madame, Pamela Hutcheson, Wanda Vaughn, and Hyan Vaughn,

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Speaker 1: collectively known in our hearts as the emotional.

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Speaker 6: So delighted to be here. I just must say, quest,

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Speaker 6: I just love seeing you play those drums.

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Speaker 2: I can't, I really can't.

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Speaker 1: I know people think I'm being disingenuous when I say

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you know that I'm alive.

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Speaker 2: But this is this is really a great moment for me.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, for the purpose of our show is

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Speaker 1: you know, people's lives are always on display more than

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Speaker 1: the emotions as at as humans. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: about your beginnings in Chicago. So you guys started and

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Speaker 6: We were singing on Sunday sometimes Maya Jackson's Church over

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Speaker 6: was the guys that played the boys, uh from Chicago. No,

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Speaker 6: not the Shighlights, but okay, the Jackson five Emotions and

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Speaker 6: the little guy that sings and drums. Oh I know,

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Speaker 6: huh No not man condition that.

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Speaker 8: He said, she said, singing and drum.

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Speaker 6: Well, because they played the drums and then their sister

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Speaker 6: was in the group the Stairsteps steps, the five Stairsteps.

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Speaker 6: Because we all did the Apollo together. Just so happened

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Speaker 2: Wait about Yeah, he had a hit in the eighties.

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Speaker 6: Never had it so good.

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Speaker 12: No, No, there was another one.

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Speaker 2: It's top forty hight which one I can't remember. I remember.

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Speaker 12: I'll get back to you.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's we can We did skip.

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Speaker 2: Played the Apollo, Yes, that is mind blowing. Well he's blind,

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Speaker 6: Anyway, but we had a gospel show there in Chicago,

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Speaker 6: called the We actually sang in al Abram's Pontiac. It

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Speaker 6: that time, Tempest, the Grand Prix, and we were the singers.

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Speaker 6: My father playing guitar. He also sold the cars and

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Speaker 6: people insurance and that's where we met Don Carnilius. He

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Speaker 6: was actually giving insurance. I mean he was a salesman there,

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Speaker 6: you know. But anyway, and we sang with a Jubilee

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Speaker 6: happened to because you know how social Security sent you

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Speaker 6: And from what seven to eight years old when we

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Speaker 6: first met you guys, ye win the emotion. Well we

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Speaker 6: Like Pop Staples, but he got Purviose Staples to manage.

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Speaker 6: He was our manager. You know when we got with.

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Speaker 2: Have a nightclub too, because I know that he.

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Speaker 6: Left the seventy ninth Street.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he left the State Singers too.

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Speaker 6: I had a big Cadillac on the top of it,

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Speaker 6: and that's when he was going with Melville Moore. But

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Speaker 2: How easy was it to.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously you must have had your your your parents'

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Speaker 2: Was it easy to switch the two?

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Speaker 6: It was more of a situation for my grandmother, dad's

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Speaker 6: mom out of Terre Haute, Indiana and Mama Rose and

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Speaker 6: she was like, wow, you know you brought them girls

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Speaker 6: Ain't bought of that, And I mean she was really

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Speaker 6: nine to sing on Stax records, I can't go, I

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Speaker 6: but you got to promise me. You got to sing

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Speaker 6: a gospel song every time you do a show, and

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Speaker 6: if anybody knows us, when we do a show, we

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Speaker 6: sing gospel. Yeah, so we kept that part in there.

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Speaker 6: I said, but Mama, we're not singing about people who

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Speaker 6: aren't married. We're just singing about people were getting married. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 6: And you know, Sheila wrote the first song, so I

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Speaker 6: Can Love You, which Isaac Hayes produced. But anyway, that

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Speaker 1: So what was that whole at least that the grind

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Speaker 6: That's where we recorded in Memphis, Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: Yes, And we were still in school, so we always

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Speaker 6: so people knew of us, you know, in the area

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Speaker 6: because my father had a radio show on the gospel

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Speaker 6: So they would want to sing with the hutcheson sunbeams

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Speaker 6: show the Jubilee showcase, but you know we'd have to

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Speaker 6: pick someone who's the winner the auditions. Oh yeah, talent

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Speaker 6: show challenge all the time. That was a big thing

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Speaker 6: in Chicago. Yeah, and then all of the radio folks,

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Speaker 6: they always came out to the school. That's what's so

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Speaker 6: different about this age and before they were more into

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Speaker 6: the community exactly.

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Speaker 10: It was at the Community Process Center. Yes, that even

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Speaker 10: at nine years old. Yes, my brother had its own

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Speaker 10: band and I sang Aretha Franklin song by myself.

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Speaker 11: That's back.

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Speaker 10: I didn't have a you know, at nine years old,

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Speaker 10: I wanted to be kind of flashy, so I had

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Speaker 10: an orange dress, red socks, a green pearl necklace. I

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Speaker 10: was real colorful.

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Speaker 6: Rainbow Can't would be the guy, I don't know if

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Speaker 6: you remember her, the gent from Yes, and he would

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Speaker 6: come to all the sock hops. We had sock cops.

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Speaker 6: We tried to start that. We came out here, people

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Speaker 6: went socks. Communities are going to come on the night.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what sock hop in the gym because.

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Speaker 6: You can't wear your shoes and dance, so you take

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 13: I didn't know most people were bobby socks. I thought

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Speaker 13: that that's what it was. Well, you couldn't wear shoes

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Speaker 6: Yet it socks, yes, because you're on the court where

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Speaker 6: the basketball players and you know you can't wear.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if anywhere has that kind of a thing.

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Speaker 6: We did. The very first one. Channel twenty six which

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Speaker 11: It was a really big deal.

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Speaker 11: The real famous dance show American?

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Speaker 6: Before they moved out here, before they moved Soul Trains.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, the room, the room a little bigger than this.

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Speaker 6: Well, the actual room where the coomber was at that

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Speaker 6: the dancing part where the people were Yeah it was small.

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Speaker 8: It sounds like two different.

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Speaker 14: You were nine years Okay, that was.

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Speaker 11: In the group I did that.

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Speaker 9: It was that question about this is you you both

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Speaker 8: I see them as mom and Aunty.

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Speaker 9: But when they have their fun times like this, I

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Speaker 8: I don't have jurisdiction. And that the fight was not.

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Speaker 6: To us on YouTube. We didn't even know that was

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Speaker 9: That was the one though, when you guys did when

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Speaker 8: Telling you about that, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's the established one, the before when it's black and

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Speaker 2: But who it was? Just who would you run into?

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Speaker 6: And the impressions all the time, and shot by yeah,

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Speaker 6: But anyway, it was it was quite quite a situation.

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Speaker 6: Yes, because my dad because he was singing with us

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Speaker 6: They hear her sing, and she would do that home song.

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Speaker 6: She would do the oh my gosh, the song that

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Speaker 6: You know? But anyway, I kind of enveloped it into

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Speaker 6: My father, My father he had us like, you know,

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Speaker 6: One time you be on top of the other one. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, that's that's kind of how we got into it.

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Speaker 7: I think you need my love.

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Speaker 6: When we go to that, you can we go to

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Speaker 9: And she had to find out in vote they call

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Speaker 6: But Dad did that. He he did our harmonies that way.

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Speaker 6: But he named some sonata that Beethoven. I said, I

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Speaker 15: What was Charles Stepneed? Like he was someone the hero

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Speaker 6: We were in this living room. Maurice was in Maurice

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Speaker 6: White was in l A, and he told us how

443
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Speaker 6: to get My father took us over to Charles's house

444
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 6: and so we sat there upstairs and we're just hearing

445
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 6: this lovely music come from the basement where his eight

446
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 6: foot piano was. And he said, oh well, and his

447
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 6: wife carried the Oh what was her name, Liz? She ca?

448
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 6: She said, Oh, don't worry. He does that about three

449
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 6: hours every morning. He has to play. You know. Uh,

450
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 6: it sounds like the Beethoven move the opera kind of music.

451
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 6: Because one he was the director for the phil not

452
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 6: phil Harmony, Chicago Symphony, and I didn't know that then,

453
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 6: and so he was rehearsing because him and Many Ripperton

454
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 6: were fixed the perform about a week that weekend or something.

455
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 6: And I was like, Many Ripperton, but he's playing. I mean,

456
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 6: he's playing. He said that's how he prepares. Wow, that's awesome. Wow.

457
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 6: So when he said that, that really made me feel like, wow,

458
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 6: he thinks I write a song is like a sonata

459
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 6: from somebody.

460
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 12: With you know, did you play piano?

461
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 6: Piano?

462
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 15: Okay, okay, and that's where you would start all your songs? Yes,

463
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 15: you wrote on the pianel.

464
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: How competitive were the the talent shows that you guys

465
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Speaker 1: were doing, like you mentioned, you know, the Five Stair

466
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: Steps and the Jackson's and all those like how I

467
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: mean from the Jackson's and I know that you know

468
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: they had to rehearse. Oh yeah, yes, question, I mean

469
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: just in terms of in preparing for a particular competition.

470
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Speaker 1: Was it like, you know, we have to like who

471
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: was in your targets as in we gotta be as

472
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: good as or.

473
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 6: Yeah I did. I love Mavis and.

474
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 8: The competitions When you guys be doing stable singer.

475
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 6: Excuse me, because we were so much younger.

476
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Who was in the circuit of the talent shows that were.

477
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 6: Like, who would you be going up against? M because

478
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: that and that's something because the Jones girls had come,

479
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 6: I remember they came, uh and there because we knew

480
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 6: they my dad knew their dad and oh these other girls,

481
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 6: but the Barrett sisters, like you were saying, you know,

482
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 6: and and uh Joe Josephine Howard Caravans. See that would

483
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 6: take us to all the gospel shows, the gospel of

484
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 6: the concerts, and they would be at the high school

485
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 6: auditorium where Vernie went to high school as a matter

486
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 6: of fact, but that's where all of the it was

487
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 6: because of was so huge and the sound was really cool,

488
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 6: and we would see mighty clouds of joy. The Caravans,

489
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 6: oh gosh, those were the say, the harmonies besides those

490
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 6: girl the Lennon's sisters and I don't know, Dad had

491
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 6: seventy eight so those and we he would play them

492
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 6: and so but there were so many talent show just

493
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 6: talent in Chicago that never got out that that was

494
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: like like us and for whatever reason, I know a

495
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 6: couple of them, you know, they tried to do some

496
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 6: things in Chicago, but I don't know they just now

497
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 6: you're talking about the singers that live in Chicago, right, Well.

498
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: No, you mentioned doing a talent contest and winning the

499
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Stacks Prize, right, But I just met in the everyday circuit.

500
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: Would you always see Jackson five? Would you always see

501
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: those types of yeah?

502
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Like were they always and in your mind was it

503
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: like we must win.

504
00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: Or was it like you know?

505
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 6: But they were more helpful. You would go to the

506
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 6: high school, you know situation, You would go to the

507
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 6: the community center, and when you would rehearse, there was

508
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 6: a oh, let's and so come up. Oh this is

509
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 6: so and so family from blah blah blah. And they'd

510
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 6: come up and you would actually help them when you

511
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 6: know these oh can they show us something in that?

512
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 6: And you would do that. That doesn't happen today, but

513
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 6: that's what happened then, you know, because they're so competitive

514
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 6: day nobody wants to help the other one you come up.

515
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 6: But then I mean they were ready to ask and

516
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 6: ready to learn. You know. I remember when we first

517
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 6: met the Destiny Child, we were doing the Robert Thompson show.

518
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 6: He had in the house in some kind of show parenthood, Yes, parenthood,

519
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 6: And you know you always had to sing a song

520
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 6: that you just did a cappella and that one that

521
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 6: day was it was a gospel tune. Well, I'm trying

522
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 6: to think be cause Sheila and and my girl Beyonce

523
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 6: come over town. Remember when he came on in the

524
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 6: House Flowers Together.

525
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 8: I want to.

526
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Remember that episode.

527
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 6: It was on that one and Tyresee was on there

528
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 6: because I had to teach him Maurice's part for Wonderland.

529
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 6: We all sang that at the end together, got it,

530
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 6: got it. But that's the closest thing I brought that

531
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 6: up that reminded me of and and there and beyon

532
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 6: is so humble her heart, you know. And she came

533
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 6: she said, well, y'all know, no'm I'm singing the right part.

534
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 6: I mean, she just wow. And we wouldn't say anything.

535
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 6: I said, well, it's not you, but it's the other girl. No, yes, yeah,

536
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 6: but anyway.

537
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 7: Like the other.

538
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: But she was.

539
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 8: She was actually very humble.

540
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 9: And my mom to us out of high school for

541
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 9: that because we went we went with her and I

542
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 9: was in tenth grade. I was in my geometry class

543
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 9: and they said, uh ms, Vaughan, your your mom has

544
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 9: sent a limo for you outside.

545
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 8: I was like, we're here. I am sixteen. I got up.

546
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 9: Like they had a car that sent for us, and

547
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 9: it took us down to I forgot what area we

548
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 9: were in, maybe Century City ish so everything. I wasn't

549
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 9: driving back then, but we went there and it was

550
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 9: so nice the way that Robert Towns had done it,

551
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 9: and everything was so nice in plusure or whatever. And

552
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 9: they had all gone to do their makeup, and I'm thinking,

553
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 9: Mom is coming back to this little cottage place where

554
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 9: where the dressing room ex rest me where we were

555
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 9: all stationed while they were all at makeup, and you know,

556
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 9: we hear the knock and everything, and I'm like, Mama,

557
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 9: and it's Beyonce.

558
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Man.

559
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 9: I'm just like, I like you, You're amazing. She's like, oh,

560
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 9: I just wanted to come and tell you that I

561
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 9: love y'all, Mom, like I love y'all Mo. I mean, like,

562
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 9: so when she talks about her her admiration for the

563
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 9: emotions and and she's a steward like she is a student,

564
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 9: it's genuine.

565
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: She's not.

566
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 8: That's so real. And she was a sweetheart then and she's.

567
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 6: She's still a sweet Yeah, she really is. All around.

568
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: The contract that you guys won, uh brought you guys

569
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: to Memphis, yes, were I mean you went down there

570
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: by yourselves or your whole family moved.

571
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 6: Well, you know, the Staples were on stacks, they were

572
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 6: on right and so Purvis who was our manager, he said,

573
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 6: albail good and uh oh, and then you know Maurice

574
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 6: and them had.

575
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: That's right, I forgot lived in Memphis.

576
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, so but anyway, that was after I know

577
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: that it was Isaac Hayes in Memphis, right, yeah, And

578
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 6: but he produced the Staples singers, uh song Betty Cruck

579
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 6: and what's the guy that did chef? Him? And David

580
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: Porter and I mean the writers down there. You really

581
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 6: you know you saw where that the blues because there

582
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: was so many Oh Luther and we sung with Luther

583
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: the first time. I can't believe that guy. His voice,

584
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 6: the clarity, you know, there's asthm, but a voice like

585
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 6: that actually since him, not even no, but not that pristine.

586
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 6: It's you know, it's another league.

587
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 8: You all were living down there when you was recording

588
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 8: in Memphis. Did you guys live down there?

589
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 12: No?

590
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 6: No, no, no, we stayed there so long. I mean,

591
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 6: we just made it our home. We knew where all

592
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: the restaurants were, and the thing that they had were

593
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: Martin Luther King Lorraine Motel, which the studio is nowhere

594
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 6: from that walking distance, and so it just to pass

595
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: that place. And then the where he would eat all

596
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 6: the time at the four Way. That was the name

597
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 6: of the restaurant at the best peach cobbler in the world.

598
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 6: And oh my gosh, we haven't had lunch yet.

599
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 12: What was what was the Stax Records operation?

600
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 15: Like I've seen like just interviews with Al Bell and

601
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 15: seen documentary and stuff.

602
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 12: What was that like?

603
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 15: Because at the time they were independent, they were a

604
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 15: small black owned business.

605
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 12: What was that? What was that like being?

606
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 6: It was something because Marvel Thomas Rufus Thomas's son Marvel

607
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 6: who played the Oregon and and so forth, and then

608
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 6: what was his sister's name, Gee Wee Thomas to see

609
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 6: them in there, and he's coming up with this song

610
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 6: that he's just writing and his father wi always come

611
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 6: that ain't fast enough every time, you know, he always

612
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 6: say that ain't fast enough, no matter what it was.

613
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 6: But he was so you know, genuine. I mean they

614
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 6: were just something to work with. And and the mad

615
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 6: lad and what was the guys James and them the

616
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 6: rhythm section for the Barcays. Oh, I love just saying that. Okay,

617
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 6: you would go in that studio see them. Then we

618
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 6: go in the studio where Isaac is show me how

619
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 6: that's what we were doing, and he's showing the strings

620
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: are sitting there and I'm like, wow, look at and

621
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 6: what he's doing is he's singing the parts to them.

622
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 6: There was no no, maybe somebody wrote it out later,

623
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 6: but what he just heard him in his head and

624
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 6: he could play piano but not you know, real virtuoso

625
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 6: or anything, but he could hear every string part and

626
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: he could hear the horn parts and that's how he

627
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 6: did it. And I was like, I didn't know. I

628
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 6: didn't know that's the way you did. He said, well,

629
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 6: most people don't. Most people, Johnny pet and all the

630
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 6: rest they would actually write it out and then they

631
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 6: would play it. But he just sung it to them

632
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 6: and they would play well, they would note it, you know,

633
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 6: and then play it show me how. And that was

634
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 6: something for me to see, you know.

635
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: So the first album was So I Can Love You.

636
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 6: Correct, Yes, the first song.

637
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: All right, So what is it weird to you guys? Now?

638
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: Because from not the world I come from. I come

639
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: from all worlds.

640
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: But right, what's weird to me was that I really

641
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: not until I started digging. Uh, when hip hop produces,

642
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, go through old records that are in their parents'

643
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: collection or that sort of thing. So is it weird

644
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: for you to see the renaissance of a lot of

645
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: your songs, especially from the Stacks period, come up and

646
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: sort of find new life in hip hop? Yeah, it's

647
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: like it's weird because it's like blind because blind Alley.

648
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 6: Really Blind Alley, Fine Daddy. If you listen to the lyrics,

649
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 6: you know that's an old school you know, I've got

650
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: who I won't God, who I won't? Sorry, you don't.

651
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: You know.

652
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 6: That's how that would you know? That's you know, a

653
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 6: dad thing, even you know something. And then when Big

654
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: Daddy came, Yeah, I learned that I don't know, I

655
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 6: just learned.

656
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 8: I learned that that was Mom and Them song.

657
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 9: In twenty fifteen, Dre taught me, oh wow, like fifteen,

658
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 9: like two years ago, to walk me through it because.

659
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: Listen has been simple.

660
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 12: I love it.

661
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: By Mariah Carrey yeah, yes, thank you heard the dream

662
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: love but.

663
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 8: Thank you?

664
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 7: Thank you?

665
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: How okay I played blind Alley for two seconds?

666
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 12: You recognize it?

667
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 6: And they did it at un l V.

668
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I think a big Daddy came.

669
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Big Daddy can Daddy can.

670
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's clapped your hands.

671
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 12: But first it's like a million.

672
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 8: The Remax, the scenario an episode of.

673
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: The Breaks, right, yeah, yeah it is.

674
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: See but what's even weirder is that those actual drums

675
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: have like fed at least over four hundred hip hop

676
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: songs like you know between and.

677
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 6: That's muscle shows. Yeah, the random section. Really, that's muscle shows.

678
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: That wasn't the Stax house man.

679
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 6: They were the muscle shows were in Alaba, Alabama. Well

680
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 6: that's something we didn't know when they said muscle show,

681
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 6: we didn't know that was the place. We thought that

682
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: was just that second that Dug Dawn and what's the

683
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 6: white guy on the guitar? Oh, czu is the funkyest

684
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 6: Steve Cropper and.

685
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 5: Not ask me about any white guy.

686
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald Duck And okay that makes sense.

687
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So does that mean that Al Jackson was on drums?

688
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 6: Al Jackson, Yes, so crazy?

689
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: So that okay, So I forgot why I went to

690
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: the Stack Studio Memphis. But in a cage there is

691
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Al Jackson's one and only drum set, and I'm like,

692
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: what are you guys gonna do this drum? So you're

693
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: just gonna keep it in a cage? Like if everyone

694
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: display would be one thing.

695
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 6: But it's just like, well, that's what he told you to.

696
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 8: You know, it's supposed to be turning a display.

697
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 6: Remember did we all we didn't get.

698
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 8: The chance to go? We had, Yeah, we went. I

699
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 8: must have came back for something then I must have

700
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 8: had a tea. Yeah, ain't nothing. Y'all did it early,

701
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 8: and that's probably.

702
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: But man, there's also there's a I don't I believe

703
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: it's it's on a one of those like the European

704
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: version of the Stack Spots set. But you guys have

705
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: a version of as long as I've got you. That's well,

706
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, seam El has put it out, but there's

707
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: an emotions version that's.

708
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: Like it's killing.

709
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know, like, for who who makes

710
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the final decisions of what makes you know the album

711
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: the albums and those sort of things.

712
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 6: I'm telling you it was Isaac Hayes because I would

713
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 6: see them going through you know what. And it wasn't

714
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 6: my father, you know, he wasn't involved in that part.

715
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 6: But usually Isaac and David and then sometimes al bail

716
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 6: and they would argue sometimes, but usually Isaac would win.

717
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 6: So nice, that's the way it was.

718
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Japanese one of those Japanese compilations.

719
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: I got the second you got the only killing though, dang.

720
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 6: Oh, it's been a long time.

721
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 7: Is that casual.

722
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Killing?

723
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 13: Your mom and your auntie's the ship and you notice

724
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 13: that's Jeanette.

725
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 7: It is that.

726
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: I think I like this version better.

727
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: And for the like because because that because that that

728
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: song is also a hip hop stable and it's not

729
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: like you guys can see in nineteen sixty nine like

730
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: he is.

731
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: Iron music something that can just revitalize our entire catalog.

732
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 10: Wow.

733
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: But it's just like, But then it also goes to

734
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: show you that quality things were so much high quality

735
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: back then that even your throwaway songs wow, could have changed.

736
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: Someone's life thirty years later.

737
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know why didn't you guys release

738
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: that song because.

739
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 6: It's wow, And I've never heard that me neither. That's

740
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 6: on the Stax compilation.

741
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 8: We haven't the orange everything around me, that's cream march.

742
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 8: I don't know what you're talking about. That is that's

743
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 8: huge monkey.

744
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 6: We should redo that, you guys do it.

745
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 8: I'm floored.

746
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like we were on the Tom

747
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 6: Joiner Cruise. We're singing. Bear's Marquis comes up to us.

748
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 6: Isn't this something? He comes up? He says, you know,

749
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 6: there's never any he couldn't find how you say, how

750
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 6: to get in touch with us? Because when he used

751
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 6: the feeling is I said, you used what?

752
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? He did?

753
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, he actually he right there. He had whoever was

754
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 6: with him, lawyer man, whoever it was, take Arthur. Do

755
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 6: you know he started paying her from that too? And

756
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 6: you know how long ago that had come out? Tom

757
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 6: joined to just started those things cruise a few years ago,

758
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 6: and he did. He got her thing and everything and

759
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 6: start paying her.

760
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 12: That's so dope.

761
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: Really, I never use it. Yeah, feeling around comes around.

762
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 15: Quit used it for I got the feeling click mom

763
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 15: loves quick clickly oh quick, yeah, he.

764
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Loves waitmen, your mind must be blown. I hope you

765
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: know about the ray quine only built for links uh

766
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: verbally if you think you might as well do it

767
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: if you think.

768
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 8: Don't cry.

769
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 6: Wow.

770
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 12: If he hurts me.

771
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: From I don't know what. It's such a it's such

772
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: a crucis like that. That sample for me, man, listen, that's.

773
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Me was because I remember sitting a tour bus and

774
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: the way the way that Riza uses samples and he,

775
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, he always dug into the stacks records. At

776
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, wait a minute, why are

777
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: they rhyming over her talking?

778
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 7: Right?

779
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: And we sat there the whole time like is this allowed?

780
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Like this is not usually with hip hop you wait.

781
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 8: For the clean for bar exactly.

782
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: And that was the first time I ever heard anyone

783
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: from Wu Tang just blatantly rhyme over and it's like,

784
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: we don't care if she's talking just and then ghost

785
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: Face started rhyming over the record.

786
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 6: Wait, so if you think you might as well do it,

787
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 6: you're thinking.

788
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 9: To Night Wonder shows me so much much. And how

789
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 9: we missed that one because I didn't know that Blind

790
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 9: Alley was in the remix to scenario Yes Jones, I

791
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 9: didn't realize that he showed me some stuff. Dre showed

792
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 9: me some stuff. I've never heard that my mind.

793
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: Wow, No, I'm telling you.

794
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: In your show, like at least four or five of

795
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: your stacks classics could be done, and a bunch of

796
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty to forty hip hop heads would just be like.

797
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 8: Wow yo, oh my gosh.

798
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's you know, I mean beyond the Columbia stuff.

799
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: So let's move to that.

800
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: So how there was a law between nineteen seventy two,

801
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, before the Flowers album came out.

802
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: What was happening between so you were still contractually obligated

803
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: to stay.

804
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 6: Well, they went bankrupt and Union Planners took over everything.

805
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 6: I didn't know a bank could take over songs, but

806
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 6: Union Planner Bank in Tennessee, Memphis took over everything. So

807
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 6: it was getting away from that Hella baloo and and

808
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 6: how to you know, go to the next thing. But

809
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 6: we got you know, we were riding high school and

810
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 6: we were just at the park. We're in a senior

811
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 6: I remember, because we had got I got a scholarship

812
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: to go to Northwestern Minnesota in Missouri where Bell Beef

813
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 6: devoted where he went for music anyway, but and we

814
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: were like, oh gosh, well that's good, that's not happening.

815
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 6: So now I could go and do like you know,

816
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 6: and then here comes Maurice White. He says, hey, you know,

817
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 6: I just did something I got Nissi yes, yes, and

818
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 6: Ray Lewis and okay, but it was he needs a

819
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 6: yes pockets. He wanted a girl group. And Ron Ellison,

820
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 6: my father's friend, who also was a drummery and Chicago

821
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 6: jazz trum anyway, and he lived with Maurice at the time. Anyway,

822
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 6: they were playing around places in Chicago and he said, well, hey,

823
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 6: n Iron says to Maurice, I could hook you up

824
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: because Joe is my buddy, and we'll hook you up.

825
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 6: And their thing is over with Stacks, so you know.

826
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 6: And that's when they arranged the meeting. That was our

827
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 6: first meeting was at Charles Stepney's house because Stepney had

828
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 6: just done U the Ramsey song, the Ramsey Yes Yes,

829
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 6: you had just done It.

830
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: Was the Stax bankruptcy the reason why the third album

831
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 2: didn't come.

832
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: Out, yes, okay, because everything was held up. They put

833
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 6: a hold on everything. You couldn't get no masters. Well

834
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 6: whoever had to get the masters?

835
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 15: Wow, how did you guys court yourselves in that time

836
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 15: from seventy two to seventy six.

837
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 6: Well, we were still doing things in Chicago, and we

838
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 6: were on tour. Oh we were doing a little tours

839
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 6: and so forth. So nice, that was how were you?

840
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 6: And then we're doing a lot of commercials too. How

841
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 6: were you guys then at that point sixteen seventeens, because

842
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 6: see that my grandfather started them at three, four and five.

843
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: So they're talking about all of this stuff they're doing,

844
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 6: but they still are. Like eighteen, we were on the

845
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: Jerry Van Dyke Show. That was the first contest besides

846
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 6: the something mac Hour I forget that, but anyway, the

847
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 6: Jerry Van Dyke Show in Tera Hoote, Indiana, and my

848
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: father's mother was the talent coordinator for that show Intero, Indiana.

849
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 6: Then we were on the Ed Sullivan Show and won

850
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 6: the whatever on that, and the what's her name Donna

851
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 6: Show Chevy show was Donna. That just shows you how

852
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 6: many but that's what the Donna Shore Chevy Show. I mean,

853
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 6: I know it had to do with cars. I don't know, right,

854
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 6: looked like everything had to do with cars then, But

855
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 6: and we won that talent show, so it was just

856
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 6: you know, a time. I guess that we got through

857
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 6: those particular ones and I was like, huh, why is

858
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 6: there no other I would always wonder family groups that

859
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 6: we knew of that should be on these shows it,

860
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 6: But I don't know.

861
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 13: So since you started out so young, did it take

862
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 13: a while for like the men around you to respect

863
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 13: your voice outside of the singing, just your voice and

864
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 13: your opinions?

865
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 10: Well?

866
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 6: What was really something? When we sat down with Charles Stepney,

867
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 6: he was saying, you know, Marie sent us all these songs,

868
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 6: but do you guys have any songs? That was the

869
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 6: first time we were ever asked that. Charles did it

870
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 6: and we sat down, boy, we started playing songs. I

871
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 6: had about twenty, Sheila had about how many. Ever, Jeanette

872
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 6: had Love Vibe, you know Jette and oh, so we

873
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 6: had all. He said, well, we go to Charles, we

874
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 6: go throw these all the way we would do and

875
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 6: we kept the one Denise wrote, did he order okay? Okay?

876
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: Uh? Did al write? Al McKay wrote flowers? Was was

877
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: it with you guys?

878
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 6: With Maurice? He brought us all m and who wrote flowers? Maurice?

879
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 6: We saw him writing it right there and okay, okay, yeah,

880
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 6: yeah he was writing it. And at the same time

881
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 6: he was writing it we were like doing just the

882
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 6: hook because he always had we hold the Key to

883
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 6: the World's Destiny. He always had that. And Charles was

884
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 6: on the little Fender Roads electric piano and.

885
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: Uh, but you wrote I don't want to Lose your

886
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: left correct, yes, okay, And I.

887
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: Wrote it made it sound like it does now. I

888
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 6: wrote it as a slow. It was a slow torch song,

889
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 6: or Dad called it a torch song. And uh, dinner

890
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 6: is ready, and the way it's chilled, my baby is

891
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 6: coming over. I want to let him know how I feel.

892
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 6: Then with hey Cold, want to Lose Yo Love? I

893
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 6: had a that slow and then my Reese heard it.

894
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 6: He said, wonder that song. You know you've been singing

895
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 6: for fifteen minutes and you still ain't done with that song.

896
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 6: And then he said, I think we should speed it up.

897
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 6: I said, here's somebody said make it faster. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

898
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 6: and you know that was rufous, but anyway, but he said,

899
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 6: he said, well, let's and then his brother got on

900
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 6: the drums. No on the drug Fred Fred played I

901
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 6: Don't want to Lose Your Love. He played the drums

902
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 6: on that, and he got on the drums and start.

903
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 6: So he said, well, I don't know how they figured

904
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 6: out how they could speed it up like that, but

905
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 6: they did. And when he did, I just sung the

906
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 6: same thing faster, you know, because I don't want them

907
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 6: to lose yo love hot, I said, But I gotta

908
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 6: make my runs faster because I used to make them

909
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 6: real slow.

910
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 13: And I.

911
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 6: Was Tina Turner. I love Tina Turner, so I was

912
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 6: Tina Turner. But he didn't. He wanted me to sing

913
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 6: it faster so that it's a good call.

914
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 14: Then my love to keep it and you know, breakdown.

915
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 13: Did it takes being she be the same amount of

916
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 13: time or she doubled. It took her longer to learn

917
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 13: the song since.

918
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 6: It's well yeah, because they just were singing the wrong lyrics,

919
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 6: you know, in the breaks.

920
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: And there wasn't a Wikipedia back then to look up

921
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: the list.

922
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: See you won't believe my love, and she would say

923
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 6: you you won't can she see my love or something,

924
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 6: But we weren't saying. We were saying you won't believe,

925
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 6: but she just had the little words she just didn't hear.

926
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: It's crazy like today's technology, we could just look on

927
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: our phones and get lyrics instantly.

928
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 15: But back then, you actually but it's dope that they

929
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 15: actually called they respected. That's that's that's dope. What was

930
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 15: working with Maurice like, working with Mauric's white What was

931
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 15: that process like for you guys? What was he like

932
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 15: in the studio?

933
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: He was so cool him and Skip Scarborough looks like

934
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 6: I got saying Scarborough because Sheila, you know the slow songs,

935
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 6: I was the fast song when he we were staying

936
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: at the Franklin Plaza at that time, and he gave

937
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: us these songs to sing, gave Sheila's cassette, gave me one,

938
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 6: and we had our little cassette player. And so I

939
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 6: came in the next day and he said, okay, put

940
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 6: the track on. Put the track on, and so I

941
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 6: was singing. It doesn't take much to like Maybos down

942
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 6: there like me. He said, Wanda, what are you doing?

943
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 6: I said, I'm singing. He said, I want you to

944
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 6: sing an octave hier. I said, well, you didn't say that.

945
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 6: I don't sing high. I sing lo. I sing maybe

946
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 6: and a.

947
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: Little register at one point.

948
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 6: No, that's how I came in that I was glad

949
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 6: to night.

950
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 11: I was.

951
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 6: I was you know, Mahaya Jackson, I was, I was

952
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 6: low and and but anyway, I said, oh, no reason,

953
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 6: I don't think. He said, just stab at it, just

954
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 6: just see and I said, okay, I'll do it. But

955
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: she lost the high singer enginete. They're the ones that

956
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 6: sing high I sing. Just try it, just try it, okay.

957
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 6: So I did. I did everything octave hiher. He said,

958
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 6: just belt it, don't worry about it, just belt it out.

959
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 6: And I did. And believe or not, that one was

960
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 6: the one you guys heard. We did about seven others,

961
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 6: but they didn't like that, but they liked the first one. Wow.

962
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 6: I was like, but I was, even if you listened

963
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 6: to I mean, there's some little cracks of a little

964
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: like you know, I can't believe I'm these notes, you

965
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 6: know these. But anyway, and that became the one that

966
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: they used. So then I started singing higher. You know,

967
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 6: I wasn't singing you know, as low.

968
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: Oftentimes in history you'll see when singers do multiple takes

969
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: of a song, they always go back to take one

970
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: or take two.

971
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 12: That's the one I think is the most honest.

972
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 15: The more you keep doing it, it gets kind of rehearsed,

973
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 15: and it's like I can't recreate that first thing.

974
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: How is it.

975
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: How exciting was it for uh, you guys to because

976
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: that song was number one for five weeks.

977
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 6: I believe, yes, number one. I have the the what

978
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 6: do you call bill bill board? Yeah, and the other one.

979
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 6: And there were two songs the best of My giving

980
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 6: you the best of My and every week they would

981
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 6: change to one and we'd be two, and then they

982
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 6: would be two and then bill board.

983
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

984
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 6: Yeah. It would be you know, back and forth like that.

985
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 6: And but it was that was amazing. Nothing like that.

986
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 15: There was a song I had on I think it's

987
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 15: Believes on Flowers. The changes we go through that was

988
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 15: like a good y'all.

989
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 6: I wrote that it was a long gospel song and

990
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 6: and uh, but they said, oh, let's just try. And

991
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 6: then Maurice, of course, he just or let's lose it

992
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 6: as an interval. He called it an interval piece that

993
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 6: we take through the album. I said, okay, And all

994
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 6: we would do is we go to change changes.

995
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 9: We gold to this to this day, that's a very

996
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 9: very difficult harmony. I've learned it for like some of

997
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 9: the shows that we do. But if my sisters try

998
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 9: to join in sometimes it we'll just be doing something.

999
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 8: They do what stereotypically.

1000
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 9: You know, you have your your your note, you have

1001
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 9: your third and your fist.

1002
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 6: No no, no.

1003
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 9: They and they interweed. They don't the first time, then

1004
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 9: Auntie is high. Then every time they.

1005
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 6: S we go to change changes, we go to and

1006
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 6: we go to change is the melody changes, we go

1007
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 6: to yeah and wow. But that's how my dad would

1008
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 6: do it because he didn't he didn't want anyone to

1009
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 6: sound like us. So he said, I know, we'll just

1010
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 6: switch up into I mean, you know, make it sound

1011
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: like one thing when it's another.

1012
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 13: So does the whole family sing? You just said your

1013
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 13: sister's wyan. Yes, So I'm like, does everybody w yes?

1014
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 8: Oh no, the Christmas is the one Christmas is the one's.

1015
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 9: Concert. Everybody is singing. It's pretty amazing. And so we're

1016
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 9: all the w's Wayne Wanda, Wayne Windy, Wyan, Whitney Warren.

1017
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 9: There you go, all ws on this side of Wayne Wanda,

1018
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 9: Wayne Wendy, Wyane, Whitney Warren. They all sing rap do

1019
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 9: me music, all of us. And then I say, Wayne,

1020
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 9: my husband wrote let's grew tonight? Yes, he wrote yes,

1021
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 9: yes exactly, and.

1022
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 6: About six other songs and by side Yeah, all right, yes, yes.

1023
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: The other where were the other one.

1024
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 6: Wrote?

1025
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: Who's Who's the cat I work with? In Japan? Yeah,

1026
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: between ninety six.

1027
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: And like two thousand, uh, Japanese singer named Toshi Koboda

1028
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: like the Lord Jesus Christ in Japan, like he played stadiums.

1029
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 6: Of like.

1030
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: Of eighty he would play like eighty thousand uh uh

1031
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: seed arenas, but uh.

1032
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: He came to Philadelphia to work with us, and.

1033
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: To him, he explained to me, I was always afraid

1034
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: of a fan of that raised album. Yeah, Earth Went

1035
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: in Fire, and for him, he's just like, you know,

1036
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to be with you by Earth Wind and Fire.

1037
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to sound like. And all

1038
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: the ad libs at the end of that song, yes,

1039
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: all that he that was his life goal. So in

1040
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: four songs, literally all the ad libs that Maurice White

1041
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: would do on that.

1042
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: Was literally on every song. I can't believe that. What

1043
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: else did he write?

1044
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 8: Those are the three that I know the best. I

1045
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 8: don't know if you know what Daddy did.

1046
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 9: Please, I'm not gonna say that because I'm not sure,

1047
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 9: but I know those are three. And like I was

1048
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 9: telling Fante earlier, I'm I could be better at this.

1049
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 9: But I've I've kind of fell in love with greatest

1050
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 9: hits albums first, Yes, and hip hop actually helped me

1051
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 9: go back into digging in crates and stuff like that

1052
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 9: and understanding how dope you know the catalog actually is.

1053
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 9: But yeah, everybody sings Chloe. But my cousin, my Auntie's daughter,

1054
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 9: she's artistically inclined in the fine arts and the visual arts.

1055
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 9: So she's like an animator and a and a painter, and.

1056
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 8: She does illustration.

1057
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 9: I did a poetry book, shed all the illustrations from

1058
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 9: my book and her other cousins. There, everyone is singing

1059
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 9: some sort of art though, everything art, dancing, this, that,

1060
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 9: some everyone is doing something.

1061
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 8: It's always a party.

1062
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1063
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: You came aboard for the Rejoice record, correct, So what

1064
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: was it like coming in cold to to fill in

1065
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: that spot and to it?

1066
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 6: Was great.

1067
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 10: It was the best part of my life. I as

1068
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 10: a baby, was always in all the rehearsals. So when

1069
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 10: she said that when we were talking about the soul train,

1070
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 10: the local soul train, I was thinking about it, and

1071
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 10: possibly I was just there in the background and I

1072
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 10: just didn't remember. But I wasn't as young as she said.

1073
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 10: Because I do remember dancing in the with you know,

1074
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 10: an audience, and the room was small.

1075
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: But photo photos, yeah, it's like living room small.

1076
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1077
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1078
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 10: But and as long as I can remember, I've always

1079
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 10: been around the music, and then I've always looked forward

1080
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 10: to joining the group. And then one day when Dad

1081
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 10: asked me what I like to you know, he gave

1082
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 10: me a tape to start rehearsing. And this is like

1083
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 10: I'm about sixteen then, and I actually joined after I

1084
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 10: graduated in seventy six. Okay, so yeah, uh, but I

1085
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 10: had he had started training me, and he had his

1086
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 10: when they were out of town.

1087
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

1088
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 10: He had his friend uncle Billy, Billy Shelton, one of

1089
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 10: the guys from his own singing group that he used

1090
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 10: to sing with when he was singing gospel, and he

1091
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 10: would train me and he would teach me all those songs,

1092
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 10: like you know with the harmonies, the groups, the andrew Sisters,

1093
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 10: what is that gosh, I can't think of their name,

1094
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 10: but another girl group. No, no, it was a men's group,

1095
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 10: but it was the different harmonies barbershop style. And he

1096
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 10: would give me the album to listen to and then

1097
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 10: he would have me sing each.

1098
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: Part and part. Yes, And that was.

1099
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 11: When he trained me, my dad.

1100
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 10: He would have me each part of the girls songs,

1101
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 10: so because he would call me the utility girl, which

1102
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 10: has but I could. I could sing every part of

1103
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 10: every everything everybody was doing. Yes, So whatever they you know,

1104
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 10: if they wanted me to go there because they were

1105
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 10: horse or something, I would go there. Or if they're

1106
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 10: having problems on stage, I would go there. You know,

1107
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 10: I can't go to any part.

1108
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 9: Uh, it's so weird because you have the highest I

1109
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 9: think you have the highest voice.

1110
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 10: Well yeah, but on harmonies I can go low too,

1111
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 10: real Yeah, well but you know I know all your parts.

1112
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 9: It's difficult, I promise you. I the the the stepping

1113
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 9: up to the plate. Because like we say, it's a

1114
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 9: family business. So that my grandfathers who put you know,

1115
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 9: the girls together, my mom and uns together, and my

1116
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 9: you know grandmother of course is hold down the four

1117
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 9: there's so three were always on the road and three

1118
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 9: were always at home. Right, So now being up in

1119
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 9: age and stuff, my grandmother is the one who needs,

1120
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 9: you know, her children's help. So currently my aunt's Auntie Sheila,

1121
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 9: whose place I'm taking in the group, and Auntie Jeanette

1122
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 9: are you know, being assisted by my grandmother is being

1123
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 9: assisted by them right now, you know, and everything because

1124
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 9: we're just self contained and everything is organic. But when

1125
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 9: my Auntie Sheila was teaching me technically how to become her, well,

1126
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 9: she was showing me some things because I come from

1127
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 9: you know, it sounds like they're beginnings. I'm even hearing

1128
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 9: more of this than on Unsung and in the House.

1129
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 9: So this is educational for me right now. But barbershop

1130
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 9: and gospel is a lot of their humble beginnings. Well,

1131
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 9: throw my dad in there, mister. You know Les groove

1132
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 9: and stuff.

1133
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 8: I knew.

1134
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 9: I knew Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter and weather Report more

1135
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 9: than I know any gospel. I can probably name you

1136
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 9: a couple gospel people, uh Mahelia being one of them,

1137
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 9: and anyone else. I'm like Clark Sist jazz all day,

1138
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 9: jazz all day. I was scatting and stuff. I was

1139
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 9: like that, such sort of person Auntie Sheila, But is

1140
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 9: that true? She is more of the She's the jazziest

1141
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 9: singer of the girls. So it was almost seamless how

1142
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 9: that ended up happening. Yeah, And she and so she

1143
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 9: would teach me stage control because she's also the animated

1144
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 9: one on stage. She's the actress, you know, she's the

1145
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 9: you know, get out there. And when she says show

1146
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 9: me how, oh my lord, some of the stuff, I

1147
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 9: just sit there and just be like, show me more,

1148
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 9: because you can't take your eyes off her, Like like

1149
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 9: she's whenever she's singing, you believe her. Whatever she's saying,

1150
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 9: You're gonna believe it because she's that you know everything.

1151
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 9: You know. I wish you guys could see what I'm

1152
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 9: doing in the studio right now. I'm just kind of

1153
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 9: being a black woman right now.

1154
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 7: You know, I got the.

1155
01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1156
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 8: But she's she's that sort of a singer.

1157
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 9: So if she was telling you not to ask her neighbor,

1158
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 9: or if she wants you to show her how, she's

1159
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 9: going to make you see that. Oh absolutely. And that's

1160
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 9: probably what the most of the learning because our voices

1161
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 9: and textures were kind of similar. She was like, no,

1162
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 9: you get out there, NISI, and you own it. You

1163
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 9: have to own It's people gonna look at you and

1164
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 9: be like, hey, she's not an original emotion, she's young nothing.

1165
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 9: You are, my baby, You're gonna get out there. I'm like,

1166
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 9: come on, Aunty, she was so but that's exactly what

1167
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 9: ended up happening, and that happened. It happened a couple

1168
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 9: of times so far as me stepping into the group.

1169
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 9: But by two thousand and nine fall semester, my first

1170
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 9: semester of my master's program, I think that was when

1171
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 9: I most consistently started.

1172
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 8: Being with mom and all Mama and all the girls and.

1173
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 15: Everything, so the other your other aunties, because I want

1174
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 15: to get the lineup straight. Beginning it was it was

1175
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 15: humans wander huh, and it was it was yes, and

1176
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 15: then Uhila, and then.

1177
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 6: That's my neighbor girl.

1178
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 8: That's what I'm telling you. Look to that dog.

1179
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 6: She did g whiz and and Carla, I mean she

1180
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 6: sat there and just cried. I mean when we were

1181
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 6: doing that, Marvel was playing. He's a genius too. No

1182
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 6: one really knew, but but I just love it. And

1183
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 6: how even Purpose Staples, who not that he wasn't a

1184
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 6: producer singer type, but he said, you you got always

1185
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 6: seen the sool song, that you got to always seen

1186
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 6: the fast song. And I'm like every producer after that

1187
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 6: said that, and they never met Purpose, but that was

1188
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 6: just the way it was.

1189
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, what was it make him a Rejoice album.

1190
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: Uh, probably the The notable absence on that record was,

1191
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: of course, Charles Stephanie passing away was the Flowers album,

1192
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: one of the last albums he worked on that And

1193
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: this is nasy.

1194
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: I know Flower, I think he was. I think they

1195
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: were working on Spirit.

1196
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: When okay, but I thought that your records came out

1197
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: after after Spirit. I thought that Flowers came.

1198
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 10: Out seventy and then Flowers Flowers, Yes, okay.

1199
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: But I mean what was it like?

1200
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: Because I know that he was such a father figure

1201
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: in the studio and working with him, How was it,

1202
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: How was it making that transition from the.

1203
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 6: Two, from Maurice to.

1204
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: From Charles to Maurice.

1205
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: Was it pressure on him to be the rock and

1206
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks where what you.

1207
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 6: Know, the poet that Maurice was. That's the way he

1208
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 6: talked to you, like if you didn't know what we

1209
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 6: hold the key to the world's destiny. If you didn't

1210
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 6: know it, then that's on you. But he would tell

1211
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 6: it to you like that. Charles would tell you where

1212
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 6: a little two year old will know exactly what you're saying.

1213
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 6: And I believe it or not. Yes, Now, I went

1214
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 6: through it, and so did Ramsey. When Ramsey would be

1215
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 6: in there and they would be playing, you know, like

1216
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 6: the last thing that actually they were working on was

1217
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 6: Ramsey's album, and they were having another thing about the

1218
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 6: cord where it should go here, which one should be

1219
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 6: the course of it, and which one should be the hook?

1220
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 6: You know that I know nothing about that today when

1221
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 6: we talk to young kids, but because everything is, it's

1222
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 6: just eighty bars of whatever it is. But anyway, so

1223
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 6: they were they were having a thing with that and

1224
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 6: Ramsey and I'm just sitting there and I just love

1225
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 6: the fact that Maurice and Stephanie they would never have

1226
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 6: anyone in their recording sessions. That was their thing. They

1227
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 6: no one but I could always come and it was

1228
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 6: And one day I came in with Johnny Paty said, wow,

1229
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, but I'd like seeing I don't talk,

1230
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 6: I don't ask any questions. I just you know, that's

1231
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 6: all I do. And reached knew it and you can't

1232
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 6: ask any questions, you can't have any and that's okay

1233
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 6: because it's not your tyme. And but they were having

1234
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 6: a okay, which one should it be? Should be? And

1235
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 6: I thought it was one time I wanted to say.

1236
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 6: So Ramseys was the one. And guess why I got it,

1237
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,959
Speaker 6: because it's something my father had nothing to do. Actually

1238
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 6: probably with what they're thinking. But it was the fifth

1239
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 6: of the quarter of where the where the verses were,

1240
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 6: and I always thought you should go there for the reprize.

1241
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 6: I just always thought that, just in my observing different things.

1242
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 6: But I didn't say. And when they left her that afternoon,

1243
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 6: because they said, well, let's just break, we kind of

1244
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 6: you know, they had to break. Let's go to lunch,

1245
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 6: you know, And Ramsey said that I think, and so

1246
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 6: they did. Stepney never came back. That's when he died.

1247
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 6: He went up at the hotel and we were knocking

1248
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 6: on the door, like well, he said he was going over.

1249
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 6: He was going to stop by Famous Samos and his

1250
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 6: I know, his wife didn't want him to stop by

1251
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 6: Famous Samis because diabetic and that was.

1252
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 7: A store.

1253
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: Had a store.

1254
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 8: I remember him. I didn't know he had yeah, oh yeah.

1255
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 6: And and so we're all waiting for him, and so

1256
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 6: they went on with the session and they sure he's

1257
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 6: gonna come sooner or later, and never did, and they

1258
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 6: went on with the thing. They finally did it though

1259
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 6: the reprised the way Ramsey, you know, uh so I

1260
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 6: for whatever he did, it just happened that way. Maybe

1261
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 6: because that we weren't there. I don't know, you know,

1262
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 6: because it was it was too much. It was a

1263
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 6: short period of time that you know, when they found

1264
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 6: it out, and so when they've got the hotel key

1265
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 6: to go in his room, that's.

1266
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: How Yeah, how did boogiey Wonderland come to be? A?

1267
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 12: Willis?

1268
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 6: Ali Willis? And I'm gonna tell you this, It's really

1269
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 6: something there's always a story.

1270
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: Was it an easy transition? I'm not an easy transition.

1271
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: I know much has been said about well much has

1272
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: been said about it. It sort of like, you know,

1273
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: I've talked to Philip about it. I've talked to Maurice

1274
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: about it. They kind of have conflicting stories. It was

1275
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: conflicting and even David Foster has his two cents about it.

1276
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: What what is your you know?

1277
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, a Grammy one is a Grammy one, and

1278
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: that's something that you can't take away from you know.

1279
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: But at the time, like, how how did it? How

1280
01:12:59,800 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: did you?

1281
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 6: Even Marie was in New York doing Sergeant Pepper and

1282
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 6: he got a call and then Ali he said, listen,

1283
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 6: I just got this song, and I got to call

1284
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 6: Ben because I want Ben h to arrange it. When

1285
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 6: he when he heard it, he heard just this look

1286
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 6: huh dance. He just heard like the that little eight

1287
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 6: bar thing, not the verses or anything. He said, Oh,

1288
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 6: the Emotions have got to sing this. But Ali of course,

1289
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's gonna be earth Wind and Fire, well,

1290
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 6: Lord from Fire, of course it's gonna finally do it. Yeah.

1291
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 6: But he heard it, you know, like that. And so

1292
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 6: my father said. And at that time they were into

1293
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 6: a thing with the Cavallo and them as to the

1294
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 6: record company, going uh, you know, by itself or something.

1295
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 6: And at that time I didn't know what they had

1296
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 6: to do it. But it was just the fact that

1297
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 6: my father wanted the song to be on album too,

1298
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 6: and that.

1299
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: Whole Bookie wanted the land was supposed to be an Emotions.

1300
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 6: Yes, it was our album on that smile, Yes, yes,

1301
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 6: And you went to happen you mean it's supposed to

1302
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 6: be on your album as well. Yes, it should have

1303
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 6: been on our album. And and and and my father

1304
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 6: nearly had a heart attack with with you know, fussy,

1305
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 6: and I didn't understand why they wouldn't let it. So

1306
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,759
Speaker 6: what it's it's too look like they get to double

1307
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 6: the money or it just looked like to me. But anyway,

1308
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 6: I don't know what the head trip was with it,

1309
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 6: but uh, we went out and den I said, well,

1310
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 6: you know we're doing this on our record time where

1311
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 6: you know, you're interrupting the you know, our session to

1312
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 6: do it, to do the vocals, So why would there

1313
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 6: be a problem with it going on our See That's

1314
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 6: why that just sounded like like, uh you no brainer.

1315
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 6: You know that it was supposed to go in there.

1316
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 6: They wouldn't allow it. It was they call and ruffalo

1317
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 6: and I don't know, you know, bad guys. I don't know, Yeah,

1318
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 6: but uh and it didn't happen that way. But when

1319
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 6: we heard the song we did the you know, the

1320
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 6: dance dance, Buggy went down and he said, Ben Wright's

1321
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 6: got to uh Ben every time I hear him now

1322
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 6: on the justin Timberlake stuff. You know, you know he

1323
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 6: had to do it. But anyway, it was just amazing

1324
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 6: how how that part went down, and Maurice wasn't going

1325
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 6: to be able to even sing on it or anything

1326
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 6: until he got back from Sergeant Pepper so he was

1327
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 6: there doing the song for Sergeant Pepper. Yes, yes, and

1328
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't know why he wasn't doing it in l A.

1329
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 6: But you know, we didn't know a lot of stuff then.

1330
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 6: But so he was doing that in New York. He said, well,

1331
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 6: happed him put the hook down, you know, I have

1332
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 6: him put the I'm gonna send you the track, Massenberg,

1333
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 6: And that's what happened. He sent him the track and

1334
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 6: we went on doing it. And then my father was like, oh, no,

1335
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 6: we got to get this on paper. No, because you're

1336
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 6: doing it on the girls session timing you Well, you know,

1337
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 6: I didn't really know what that had to do with it,

1338
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 6: but no, of course I know now.

1339
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: So your father was on it like a hawk.

1340
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1341
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: So those guys were they managing you guys as well?

1342
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 8: Or yes?

1343
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 2: Yes?

1344
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 6: And on all the tours, of course, it was always

1345
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 6: them meeting you know, Dad and uh, you know uncle

1346
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 6: on what we did and where and.

1347
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: What was tour? What was touring like for you guys, because.

1348
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 6: We used to travel on a bus catching up with

1349
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 6: the airplane. And then I said, that's it, they're not

1350
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 6: going We're not traveling no more. If you don't get

1351
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 6: us in the airplane really, so then they got us

1352
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 6: in the airplane, but Denise wasn't an airplane, and then

1353
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 6: the other pocons was in the airplane. But but we're

1354
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 6: singing these songs. We I mean, we're actually it'd be

1355
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 6: different you are on paper with us, you know, doing

1356
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 6: and then well I didn't say that, and you know

1357
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 6: that's probably was dad thing.

1358
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 15: But that's the Boogie Wonderland episode that that kind of

1359
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,520
Speaker 15: lead to the deterioration of you guys working relationship with Maurice.

1360
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, at the same time, See, he got away

1361
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 6: from Sony, he got away from Right and he got

1362
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 6: a ARC. That was when that happened. So we were

1363
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 6: signed to his production company. So it became a conflict

1364
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 6: of interests that what was told to us. It was

1365
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 6: a conflict of interest.

1366
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: So Bill, Bill and I Boss Bill and I often

1367
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: have these conflicts when I always say that the turning

1368
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: point of a career is once a producer is given

1369
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: his own studio complex and in vanity.

1370
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: Label, and that often the same Bill does not agree

1371
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: with me, but.

1372
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 12: Not in everything.

1373
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: But in both of our cases, yeah, I don't know,

1374
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a if it's not broken, don't try.

1375
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: To improve it got it even to this day. Yeah,

1376
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm serious.

1377
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: Like the studio conditions that I recorded and have to

1378
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: be as dire and cheap as possible. Like if I'm sorry,

1379
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to throw you under the bus to

1380
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: Tarika is the one likes the fruit plates and the.

1381
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: Fresh cookies, the fresh big cookies and stuff.

1382
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: Nah, I need I need roaches running around my studio

1383
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: so I can feel I feel at home.

1384
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: Was was I mistaken?

1385
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: I believe sometime in nineteen ninety eight, was there not

1386
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 1: an off Broadway play about you guys' career bigger than Yeah? Okay,

1387
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: this makes sense now because there was a group that

1388
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: my band was working with at the time called the

1389
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: Jazzy Fat Nasties. And I remember this is like when

1390
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: we were making our fourth record and we were living

1391
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: in New York in an apartment, and I think for

1392
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: a week straight they were going to see I guess

1393
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: I think they were going to do something with the play.

1394
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if they saw in the players something

1395
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: like that, but they kept telling me that, yeah, you

1396
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: know that the emotions are trying to get their off

1397
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: Broadway play ramped up to do.

1398
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: But what was the what was the basis of the

1399
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 2: play was just about you guys.

1400
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 11: In the beginning.

1401
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 6: Yes, how we started and it opened with the scene

1402
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 6: my father. We were at the church and he's in

1403
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 6: the Uh, he's being he's in the coffin. It's a

1404
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 6: funeral row at his funeral, and we're rememberacing all of

1405
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 6: the things. How we started singing, and we started singing

1406
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 6: that our theme song, which was the Hutchison Jesus want

1407
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 6: was before awesome, too shy for him. Each day then

1408
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 6: we would sing that, then we would sing some of

1409
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 6: the other songs that back in the day and uh,

1410
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 6: but we would end up going on the road meeting Maurice,

1411
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 6: and then you would see all of these guys coming, promoters,

1412
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 6: you know, come here, come here, and do this, do that,

1413
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 6: and then you know, but and then it culminated with

1414
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 6: the fact of us having the Grammy, the American Music

1415
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 6: Award and receiving all these things, and then the breakup.

1416
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 6: And then it had the part, you know, the reconciliation.

1417
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 12: What were some of the causes of you guys breaking up?

1418
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 12: What happened?

1419
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 6: Well, the promoters singing, well, the record company sing different

1420
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 6: ways than my father, and that caused when the art

1421
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 6: thing happened that actually because we had to rewrite the

1422
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 6: contract because it's no, we don't rewrite it, you just

1423
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 6: stay with the Oh no, that says we got to

1424
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 6: rewrite the track because it was it was going to

1425
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 6: from one company to another.

1426
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: And this is after this who produced the New Affair album?

1427
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 6: Uh, Billy, what was the Billy? It was Maurice and

1428
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 6: and the guy.

1429
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 11: No New Affair that was fair.

1430
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that guy if you can't take his name, I know,

1431
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 6: and he's got to show out right now. And he's

1432
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 6: got those two sons. Uh, after the Love is Gone,

1433
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 6: David Foster. David Foster and Maurice. Why did I get

1434
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 6: with Billy?

1435
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 2: I know?

1436
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 6: And I'm like, Billy, I'm going there's another guy, guy.

1437
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 6: I know you know him too, because these the songs

1438
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 6: he wrote.

1439
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, you know, have you guys ever done recording

1440
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: as a four as a quartet?

1441
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 13: No?

1442
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 6: Really, it was always whatever well on some of the

1443
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 6: songs something yes, all the lessons and even my uncle

1444
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 6: Joey wasn't his uncle Rejoice because he wrote that my

1445
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 6: brother yeah Joice.

1446
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 8: My uncle Joey was on there.

1447
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 9: And and when they would do their tour, you asked

1448
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 9: about tour life when they were out on tour stuff.

1449
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 6: Like that, on the line everything while Marie sung it

1450
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 6: on the record. Yeah, but we sung it all four

1451
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 6: of us. You're right, tour, I.

1452
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 8: Was gonna say.

1453
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 9: So they had some of some of them were it

1454
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 9: was a quartet, but it was it was three girls

1455
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 9: and my uncle uh Joey and Joe huh and everything,

1456
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 9: and then I think that would be what that would

1457
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 9: be Mom, Auntie, Sheila and Billy.

1458
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 8: There you go. You just remembered it, okay, and uncle Joe.

1459
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 9: So that when they did do a court tete quartet

1460
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 9: sort of a situation, it was three girls, one brother,

1461
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 9: right right.

1462
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 8: It was always I don't think it was ever all

1463
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 8: four of you.

1464
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 10: It was unblessed and blessed, Yes, blessed and rejoice, and

1465
01:22:59,320 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 10: it was one more.

1466
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: So were you fine with it ending in eighty one

1467
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 2: like okay, well, let's.

1468
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because I start having a baby every year,

1469
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 6: and then eighty one, eighty two, and then eighty six,

1470
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 6: well yeah, and then we were doing that, and then

1471
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 6: I was writing with other with Patty and doing stuff

1472
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 6: with Rita, writing songs for her, and.

1473
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,839
Speaker 8: They both write a whole for them.

1474
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: What did you write after.

1475
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 6: Two thousand Miles Away from Me the Diva album Diva? Yeah,

1476
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 6: did you see that? Did you hear that?

1477
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, it's just so much has been made

1478
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: of that particular record. But there's this is it's a

1479
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: duet that she did. Yes on there you wrote that song?

1480
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 6: No nothing, No.

1481
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 8: That's the album you're saying, that's the album that your

1482
01:23:59,479 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 8: song was on.

1483
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 6: You know that?

1484
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1485
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: To this day, uh Aretha explains that her transferring to

1486
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: Clive at Arista and her anger at uh the old

1487
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: regime at Atlantic was because of the them dropping the

1488
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: ball on the Ladiva record.

1489
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, that was something. That was something.

1490
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they were doing that. You was doing.

1491
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 9: You was doing a lot more stuff at home because

1492
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 9: I remember when she did the Soul Train, like when

1493
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 9: they were in the white suits and that was in

1494
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 9: l A. She had to leave us and I was

1495
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 9: I saw them on TV and I was grabbing at

1496
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 9: the TV like mom, no, like.

1497
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 8: And my dad just oh.

1498
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 6: Yeah that was Midnight Special?

1499
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Is that?

1500
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 6: Don Kirscher or.

1501
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: You can Rejoice of rock concert? Yes, I'm sorry, my

1502
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: middle name is well at.

1503
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 9: Wait where were you guys wearing on when you guys

1504
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 9: did the soul tray. I thought Dad said that I

1505
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 9: was going crazy over.

1506
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 16: The yeah dresses, Okay, okay, we had different uh designs.

1507
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 9: Of the same right, Well, I was going nuts and

1508
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 9: I wasn't. I wasn't happy. I was three.

1509
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 8: Yeah number one.

1510
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 9: You couldn't understand, you know, I couldn't explain why she

1511
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 9: was this tall, like five inches when I'm like, but.

1512
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 7: She's here, she's so much taller.

1513
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1514
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 8: I thought there was something wrong.

1515
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: You know, But when did you put two and two together?

1516
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: That mom was something?

1517
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 9: Oh late, I'm so late on that stuff because she

1518
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 9: was just mom. So I'm talking about like high schools.

1519
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: There wasn't there wasn't a mantle piece with these things.

1520
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 9: And but I never thought I never thought about it

1521
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 9: like that, because like Maurice was like a godfather for us.

1522
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 8: Oh, Stevie would be at the house and this is.

1523
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: Just this was ding you.

1524
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 8: That was so regular. That's so regular to me.

1525
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 2: I feel like helping him walk in the living room.

1526
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 8: Ya oh, how about this? You want to talk about pressure.

1527
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 9: I wrote my first song on the piano at ten

1528
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 9: years old, and the first person I had to audition

1529
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 9: it for with Stevie because She's like, WHOA, just.

1530
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 8: Play that for Savie.

1531
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 9: I'm like, now I do know who Sev is? In

1532
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 9: my head at ten, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not

1533
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 9: gonna do it.

1534
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 8: Nah, are you serious? And everything, and so this was

1535
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 8: New Year's even she finally had me on one.

1536
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 9: I just I was like, oh my lord, heavens. So

1537
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 9: I ended up doing it or whatever and he did

1538
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 9: not laugh at me. And I respect that man to

1539
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 9: this day for just letting me be. And I'm like,

1540
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,799
Speaker 9: fingers shaking and plunking and.

1541
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 8: Stuff or whatever.

1542
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 9: But yeah, for Mom and them, I would say, it's

1543
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 9: so funny, no, not even you know, putting on hip

1544
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 9: hop is what explained to me how serious Mom and

1545
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 9: them were from the sampling type stuff and from when

1546
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 9: people would see me in the studio and learn me

1547
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 9: and it would be like, oh she said, oh she's

1548
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 9: a great girl, great energy, so nice blah blah blah blah,

1549
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 9: and wait her mom is what who know?

1550
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 6: Who?

1551
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 12: We met?

1552
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: Like I was.

1553
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 15: I was kind of insulted because because she was like

1554
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 15: because she because we did this.

1555
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 12: It was after Foreign Shane show.

1556
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 15: We did it, and so how we met and she

1557
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 15: was like, what's going on? We did an interview and

1558
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 15: she was like, oh, well, you know, my mom is

1559
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 15: no wander what I know? And she was like yeah,

1560
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 15: She's like I'm sorry, I just most of these young

1561
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 15: guys I don't know.

1562
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 12: I'm like, listen, thank.

1563
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: You for calling me a young guy.

1564
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 12: I'm like, honey, I think you know you're talking to

1565
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 12: like your mom is who of what?

1566
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 6: Like?

1567
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 15: Do you understand how I grew up? Like how my

1568
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 15: mother used to play these records? Yes, every day, Like

1569
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 15: don't ask my neighbor was the morning song going to school?

1570
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: Like dude, do you yes?

1571
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1572
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: That was well.

1573
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 15: I want to ask you about covers because on it

1574
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 15: was Jade's album and night they cover Blessed and yeah,

1575
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 15: I thought they sounded great.

1576
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 6: I did. I thought it was wonderful. I remember Skip

1577
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 6: Scarborough telling anybody he said, I like it, but they're

1578
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 6: using the wrong chords.

1579
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: Well actually, there you go.

1580
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 15: Yes, did any people ever seek you out after, you know,

1581
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 15: after eighty one, once you know you guys had kind

1582
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 15: of disbanded. Did you do any like backup work because

1583
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 15: or session work for just for uh.

1584
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did a lot of commercials.

1585
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 11: I went on to its.

1586
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yes, Jeffrey Osborne.

1587
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 10: Well, we were when she had her they had their

1588
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 10: song Forget Me Nuts, Yes, Forget Me Nuts.

1589
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 17: Yes, I remember eighty two, yes, because my dad was

1590
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 17: still alive.

1591
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, what was working with Patricia?

1592
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 11: Patrice's rushing like it was great?

1593
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 6: I was.

1594
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 10: It was just me and her as the only girls.

1595
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 10: She would always go play racketball and she would invite

1596
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 10: me to go and and.

1597
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 2: The people love.

1598
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 8: They did.

1599
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 6: I learned backgammon on the plane with earth Wind Fire, Yes,

1600
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 6: when I learned black and then we would always play

1601
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 6: tennis and Andrew Woolfolk and I was always Maurice, Maurice

1602
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 6: and uh who would always be party besides Dad? Someone

1603
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 6: else but me and Andrew.

1604
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: We were.

1605
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 6: We were the net, you know, Lord, I was the

1606
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 6: best of BALI.

1607
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:08,799
Speaker 9: They really she literally in her head she coaches Serena

1608
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 9: and Venus as she watches them on everything they do today.

1609
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 9: But yeah, yeah, so you did that back in eighties,

1610
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 9: but she always yeah, eighty two, eighty three.

1611
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: So seventy eight. For the longest, my aunt and I

1612
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: would go to record store and harassed the sales clerk.

1613
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: About do you have the emotions forty five? You're going

1614
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: to make me love somebody else?

1615
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 6: Oh wow, four weeks?

1616
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, not that one. It was.

1617
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: It took us seven weeks to realize that was not

1618
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: the emotions.

1619
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 2: What were your feelings on.

1620
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: The Jones girls, You're going to make me love somebody?

1621
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: Was like, what, I love.

1622
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,879
Speaker 6: Them, but I love singing them and I love their voices.

1623
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: You guys are severely diplomatic.

1624
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 15: Wow you did you feel any way like they biting?

1625
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: Or it was because when Free came out, I just

1626
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: naturally assumed that because I Williams.

1627
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, I mean, this is all is

1628
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 2: just coming out when I'm six and seven.

1629
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 6: So I'm not.

1630
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a super adult, but super you're not. You're seven.

1631
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: But I was maturre. I'll say that at seven I

1632
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: was probably No. I was probably nineteen as a musician

1633
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: because of the household I grew up here, n nice

1634
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew earth wind and fires backdrop when

1635
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I heard it, that's my yea certain.

1636
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: Because they were using that stuff.

1637
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: So in my head, I thought, oh, Free, that's the emotions.

1638
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: And I also thought, because of a certain it's a

1639
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: certain clave. Uh uh that that spoon thing that uses

1640
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot on your choice is on joy.

1641
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also when you're going to make me

1642
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 2: love somebody else.

1643
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 6: I was like, the emotion right right, and it wasn't

1644
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 6: It wasn't cost Costa.

1645
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: It probably was, but I don't know.

1646
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: Usually Philly international musicians are self contained. It wasn't him, however, Like, okay,

1647
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: so you were saying that we love the Jones girls.

1648
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, okay, not ones. We are like.

1649
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 6: But you know what, everyone had that perception that we

1650
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 6: should have been.

1651
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's it's it's it is definitely building on you, guys.

1652
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you that Riah called Carrie called me

1653
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 6: from m t V. I'm sitting in my living room

1654
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 6: and that song that came out that everybody thought she

1655
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 6: bid off of yes emotions and everybody wanted us to

1656
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 6: be mad at her, but.

1657
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: It was obviously.

1658
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 6: I thought it was just the most wonderful thing that

1659
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 6: she did that. And I said it, you know, because

1660
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 6: I had no idea she was gonna call or anything,

1661
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 6: and that was just so happened. I was like, oh

1662
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 6: my gosh, I thought it was wonderful. I thought it

1663
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 6: just made me feel special. Maybe, you know, I don't know,

1664
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 6: I just thought it was wonderful. And then I had

1665
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 6: met her some time ago and there anyway, she was

1666
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 6: so cool. What is the backup singer for.

1667
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 13: Luther?

1668
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 6: It was Luther and Lisa? What Lisa? Yes, they were

1669
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 6: both on the Anita Baker Luther.

1670
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 8: It's crazy because Lisa was a background singer.

1671
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 11: I love it.

1672
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 6: I remember that I would go to hear the background.

1673
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 6: I knew what Luther was.

1674
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Just watch them.

1675
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 6: Amazing to hear them swing back.

1676
01:33:58,840 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 12: What is life like for you guys?

1677
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 6: Now?

1678
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 15: I know y'all still toured? You still write Miss Wanda

1679
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 15: like what do what do y'all do now?

1680
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: Right?

1681
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 6: And we are touring with all the seventies uh stylistics.

1682
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 6: We're always the only girls that are there but from

1683
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 6: the seventies except for one Atlantic Star though when some

1684
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 6: of them are yeah and heat wave and oh yeah

1685
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 6: he waves blue notes, blue magic, blue magic, Coober Cooper. Yeah.

1686
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 8: And we did temps. We did the temps. The Temptations was.

1687
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 6: On, and then Billy Paul. That's amazing that Billy Paul

1688
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 6: past was. I mean we're in nine days we were

1689
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 6: together on stage, yes, then nine days later he was gone.

1690
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 6: That was and we know we know his wife really well,

1691
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 6: and but that was something and he could be some

1692
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 6: kind of way off stage and you wouldn't know. I mean,

1693
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 6: he was.

1694
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 8: Cool to me.

1695
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 9: He always thought me the youngster on on the You

1696
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 9: would tell us so I love no, I love them

1697
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 9: every time us like, hey, I got my young my

1698
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 9: youngsters here. I'm like, hey, you know so, don't I

1699
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 9: always bring the hip hop to the seventies soul jam?

1700
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 13: Why are you the only second generation on those kind

1701
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 13: of shows? Are the other second generation?

1702
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 8: There are some other replaced members. I don't remember the

1703
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,879
Speaker 8: Timp Temps, Paul Paul, Oh, Paul's son son.

1704
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 6: With the oldest, Yeah, otis I'm sorry.

1705
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 9: With Dennis, Yes, with Dennis, he's he's a second generation.

1706
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 9: But the other ones, they have people who are in

1707
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 9: who aren't the original members.

1708
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 8: But I don't know the girls right, Yeah, they do.

1709
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 8: We haven't been on anything.

1710
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 6: One thing and that was the same night.

1711
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 8: That was it. It was in Las Vegas.

1712
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 9: They were in the we were in the stands, in

1713
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 9: the stands, we were in the we was watching and

1714
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 9: we were on a different night, so it was like

1715
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 9: a whole thing they were just doing or whatever, and

1716
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 9: we just got to stay for all of them. But

1717
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 9: I got to see uh Kathy and her man that

1718
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 9: she says something that baby the new generation is that

1719
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 9: girl is pretty.

1720
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 8: She's a pretty her name.

1721
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 6: Gorgeous.

1722
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 8: She's gorgeous. A little sweet.

1723
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 9: But yeah, so on the when we're out there, though, yeah,

1724
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 9: we're all it's it's very rarely that we have anyone

1725
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:37,520
Speaker 9: my age. But wait, what's my boy from the del Phonics.

1726
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 9: He's the most hip hop of everybody I've met on

1727
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 9: those things, and he'll keep up with any young thing

1728
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 9: that anything.

1729
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 8: What what what you got for me? What you got

1730
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 8: for me? Who out there?

1731
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 6: And her heart is.

1732
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 8: Work with his son and he's the coolest one.

1733
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 2: He just did that record with Adrian Young a couple yeah,

1734
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 2: a couple of years.

1735
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really fun.

1736
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 6: Cool man.

1737
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1738
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 9: So I go there and mom always has to advise

1739
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 9: me to be more my R and B self than my.

1740
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, than my hip hop self.

1741
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 8: So I know I.

1742
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 9: Am way too amp some nights, I'll be honest, and

1743
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 9: I know better. So now and now I've been doing

1744
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 9: this since what two thousand and nine, so here it

1745
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 9: is twenty seventeen, so we I'm.

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Speaker 6: Starting almost doing the crip walk on Best of My Life.

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Speaker 8: I stopped it.

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Speaker 7: I stopped it.

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Speaker 8: I stopped it.

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Speaker 2: I had to.

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Speaker 9: Lady.

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Speaker 6: When they first did it in l A, I didn't

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Speaker 6: even know why I heard.

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Speaker 2: You were doing that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're not supposed to do something, he said. We

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Speaker 6: weren't supposed to do the step on there or something.

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Speaker 9: He appreciated us though, he appreciated. Yes, he calls them

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Speaker 9: unty and and yeah he does. He did him proud Yes,

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Speaker 9: then shout out uncle Snoopy.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, ladies, we thank you very much for doing our

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Speaker 1: show today so much.

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Speaker 12: It was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, aunts on behalf of Ronnie Mille, Steps Sugar, Steve, Boss,

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Speaker 1: Bill Fan Ciccolo, Unpaidabill and lie Here. This is Quest Love,

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme, only on Pandora.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you on the next cover.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, West.

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme is a production my Heart Radio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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