1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkotz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field. Both of us 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: a bit under the weather, I'm afraid to say so. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Please pardon our voices. We're both trying to get through 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: the show with cough drops in our mouths. Yes, yeah, 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: where we are out of sick days and we both 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: caught something over in Detroit. But other than that, it 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: was a pretty good trip to Detroit for the Packers 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: West as Green Bay emerges with a thirty one to 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: twenty four Thanksgiving Day victory over the Lions. And when 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: you start the discussion of this game, quite simply, it 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: comes down to fourth down. 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: It does. I mean, unbelievable. I've never seen anything quite 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: like this in terms of the green Bay Packers had 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: four fourth downs. It's not like they just had like okay, 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: kept going for it. All of them were extremely consequential 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 2: to not only winning this game, but really setting the tone. 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: I felt like for it, right, I mean, you know, 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: when you face the Detroit Lions, you're gonna face an 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: ultra aggressive offense that every single down you have to 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: be prepared that they're gonna be going for it right 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: no matter where you are on the field. And to 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: the credit of Matt Lafleur, because again, you live by 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: the sword, you die by the sword. You're either the 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: smartest person in the room where everybody's questioning you the 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: floor stood by his convictions, and at numerous times during 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: that game, particularly in fourth and goal, fourth down inside 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: the red zone, he put his foot firmly on the 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: glick gas. He trusted Jordan Love to make the throws. 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: He trusted the Packers' receivers to come through for him. 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: So it shouldn't have been any surprise whatsoever that when 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 2: the game is on the line late, the Packers first 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: throw it on third down and then they go up 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: to line of scrimmage and call time out after letting 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: the clock run down. You and I maybe you I 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: don't know what you thought. I can tell you what 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: I thought because I told you this. I'm like, okay, 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: well this makes sense. You call the time out. Now, 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: you go back up to the line of scrimmage. You 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: try to draw them off sides and if not, you 43 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: take the delay a game and you let Daniel wheel 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: and punt it. 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought was going to happen. I thought, 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: because they come back out after the timeout and it's like, okay, 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: you can't call time out again. You can't call back 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: to back timeouts without running a play, so calling another 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: timeout was not an option. I thought, Okay, now they're 50 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: really going to try to convince the Lions that they're 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: running a play here. They're going to try to draw 52 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: them off sides. And if you lose five yards on 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: a delay a game at that spot in the field, 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: not a big deal. And wheeling comes out in punts. 55 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: And I think at the moment the snap occurred, you 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: and I are sitting next to each other in the 57 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: press box, and I think in unison we both said 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: holy cow, except we didn't say cow. I mean they 59 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: snapped it. They snapped the ball. It was like, my goodness. 60 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: And but Dontavian Wicks caps probably the best game of 61 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: his career in his three year career so far in 62 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: Green Bay. He caps it with the leaping catch, one 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: shoe left on the field and all to convert the 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: fourth down that allows the Packers to run out the clock. 65 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: It was just it's really interesting, especially in such juxtaposition 66 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: to the last trip to Detroit, which was last year 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: on the Thursday night after Thanksgiving, when the Lions got 68 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: a pair of touchdowns on fourth downs and then at 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the end of the game they're in field goal range 70 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: to take the lead, but then Dan Campbell says, we're 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: gonna go for it on fourth down to get a 72 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: first down, to run the clock all the way down 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: and then kick the walk off field goal for the win. 74 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: And that's how the Lions ended up winning that one. 75 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: The Packers end up running the clock out this time 76 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: on the fourth down. But hats off to Dontavian Wicks. 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: This young man has been through a lot over the 78 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: last season and a half and he really stepped up 79 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: big on a national stage. 80 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: What is so incredible as we're talking to him in 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: the locker room afterwards, and you've been around him enough, 82 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: I think fans, if you've watched his interviews enough, Dante, 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: they have so many of these guys, right, they're just 84 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: the same person over and over and over again. Dantavian Wicks, 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: and he had some drops last year. The way he 86 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: handles himself. The way he speaks, the way he talks, 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: it's the same cadence, nothing, no different mannerisms, no different 88 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: facial expressions. He's just so steadfast in his convictions that 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: he's going to be able to make these plays. And 90 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: he said when he stepped to the line of scrimmage 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: with where he was, he had a pretty good feeling 92 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: that the ball was going to be coming to him 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: because he was gonna be the first guy coming across 94 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: Jordan Love's face. He got that step on Brian branch Love, 95 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: the other hero of this play. Yeah, even though the 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: Packers were trying to maybe catch Detroit off guard, they 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: end up getting a really good push up the middle. 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: Love has to make a throw off his back foot 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: and throws it a little bit high, but gets it 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: in the vicinity of where Wis is and Wix plucks 101 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: the thing to be able to come down with it. 102 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: In that instance, I think it just showed the growth 103 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: and maturation of a player because very easily, I mean, 104 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: that is a strong hands catch with a player bearing 105 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: down on you. And I don't want to go blow 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: for blow at the entire game with how it played out, 107 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: but you look at you talk about this being the 108 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: best game of his career. It's not just in the numbers, 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: it's just in the visuals. Right the twenty two yard touchdown, 110 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: which also was on a fourth down, he's dragging his 111 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: feet in the corner of the end zone. He's in 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: really good coverage and he's making a play in which 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: if he bobbles that ball at all, it's going to 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: be ruled in completion and a turnover on down, a 115 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: turnover on downs. But to me, the most impressive catch 116 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: of the entire game was the thirty yard or on 117 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: the scene where he has Thomas Harper darting in at 118 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: him from the safety position and he'sless. Jordan Love puts 119 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: a tremendous ball on him and he catches that pass 120 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: and it sets up yet another scoring drive. The Packers 121 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: don't have Tucker Kraft right now the running game. When 122 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: you look at Josh Jacobs, he was banged up in 123 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: this game going in. He ended up in the medical 124 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: ten for a time. He came back to the game. 125 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: This was a matchup where the Packers had to rely 126 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: on their receivers, and boy golly, did Dantavian Wicks come 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: up in a big way. 128 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you just saw, and I kept leaning over 129 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: to you in the press box and saying it over 130 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: and over again. Throughout the course of the game. You 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: could see not only the trust that Jordan Love has 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: in his receivers, but when Jordan Love got up to 133 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and saw single coverage on the 134 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: outside by the Lions, he was determined to make the 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: Lions pay for saying we're gonna guard your receivers one 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: on one. And yeah, not every ball was a completion, 137 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: but the number of times that Love just attacked with 138 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: those boundary throws against one on one coverage, And of 139 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: course the biggest one in terms of yardage was the 140 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: fifty one yard touchdown to Christian Watson down the field, 141 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: which occurred right after the defense gets the fourth down 142 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: stop right near midfield. There's actually both a third and 143 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: short and a fourth and short stop in holding up 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs there at the line of scrimmage, and then 145 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the Packers respond to that fourth down stop offensively. The 146 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: second play of the series, you go deep to Christian Watson, 147 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: he catches the touchdown. The Packers are up by ten points. 148 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: They had had a ten point lead a couple times 149 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: in the first half. The Lions answered got the touchdown 150 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: right before halftime, and it was frustrating in a sense 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: because as much as the Packers were really in control 152 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: of the game in the first half, they went into 153 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: halftime only ahead seventeen to fourteen, and the Lions were 154 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: getting the ball coming out to start the second half. 155 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: You're looking at if you give up any points there, 156 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: all the work that you've done in the first half 157 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: feels like it would have gone for not they get 158 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: the fourth down stop, Love hits Watson over the top 159 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: for the fifty one yard touchdown there back up by ten, 160 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and you know, this is how I look at games 161 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: a lot of times us at the end of the day. 162 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: But when that game ended, the fourth down stop on 163 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the opening drive of the second half was the only 164 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: was the last time the Lions had the ball only 165 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: down by one score, right, because because the Packers rebuilt 166 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: a ten point lead, and then every time the Lions scored, 167 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: the Packers either scored to get back to a multi 168 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: score lead, or on the final possession they ran out 169 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the clock. That's how you beat a team. You don't 170 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: give them the football when they're only down by one 171 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: score and they have a chance to catch you or 172 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: jump in front of you. And the way it played 173 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: out for green Bay was almost textbook in that fashion. 174 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: The other thing that just is just mind boggling to me, 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you want to talk about this, so 176 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: I don't want to jump too far ahead on the 177 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: script of the unscripted show. Here is the fact that 178 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: when you look at every big play that's been happening 179 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: in the second half, Micah Parsons is always a part 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: of it. It feels like, yep, that first stop coming 181 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: out of halftime, it wasn't a sack, but it was 182 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: a combined TfL with Isaiah McDuffie on fourth down that 183 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: gets green Bay the ball back and Michael, what's the 184 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: best way to swing momentum? Right? Even though you could 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: you could conceivably say it was still in green Bay's 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: favor having the lead, but it was in their sales 187 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: for good. When you get that ball back and two 188 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: plays later, Jordan Love is hitting a home run to 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: your biggest home run threat in Christian Watson. I give 190 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: the Lions fans a lot of credit, and I don't 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: want this to come off as a dig because I 192 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: think any fan base would struggle with this, but how 193 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: that place went from deafening levels of noise. They're coming 194 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: off halftime with Jack White and eminem and people are 195 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: all geared up, and hey, where maybe you're gonna come 196 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: back on the lead. I literally could have shouted from 197 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: the press box, the open air press box, and the 198 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: entire place would have heard me. It got that quiet, yea, 199 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: not only at that interval, but at the end of 200 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: the game, you think about the Dantavian Wicks touchdown, it 201 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: got quite It was almost like Lions fans were just 202 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: shocked at what they were seeing. And if you're a 203 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: road team, that's what you have to do. So to 204 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: tie this all together, and Matt Lafore kind of talked 205 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: about this on Monday when it was like, you know, 206 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: when you have a guy like Micah Parsons available, it 207 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: allows you to be a little bit more aggressive. Maybe 208 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: now on that fourth down where they throw the ball 209 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: to D'antavian Wicks on fourth and three, maybe that isn't 210 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: as much of a risk in your mind, because you know, well, 211 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: at the very least we have a seven point lead 212 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: in Micah Parsons on the other side of the ball. 213 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: It's just been brilliant watching this come together. So we 214 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: talk about complete performances, I personally felt, yes, in all 215 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: three phases, very complete performance. But when you tie in 216 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: the coaching aspect, the game planning aspect, man the Packers, 217 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a perfect game, but 218 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: it was darn near, you know, a shutout with how 219 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: they were able to play this thing against Detroit. 220 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. It was definitely the biggest 221 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: win of the season to date, and the Packers I 222 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: have some more big games coming up, obviously, And from 223 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: an individual perspective, I mean you have Jordan Love put 224 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: up a one to twenty five pass rating, D'antavian Wicks 225 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: six catches, ninety four yards, two touchdowns, the first two 226 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: touchdown game of his career, and then your big star 227 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: on defense, Michaeh Parsons. He's not only in on the 228 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: fourth and one stop on Jamier Gibbs, but he records 229 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: two and a half sacks. He makes history becoming the 230 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: first player in NFL history to have at least a 231 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: dozen sacks in each of the first five seasons of 232 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: his career, which is really saying something. He's now got 233 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: eight and a half career sacks on Thanksgiving after having 234 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: six on Thanksgiving with the Cowboys in four games, which 235 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: ties the ties the Thanksgiving record for since the whole 236 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two when sacks became official thing. But again 237 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: we saw, we saw the finisher that Micah Parsons is. 238 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: Because you're at three minutes to go in the fourth quarter, 239 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: the Lions are in the red zone. They are down 240 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: by ten, partly because their previous time down there, they 241 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: decided to go for it again on fourth down. Instead 242 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: of kicked the field goal to get within seven, they 243 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: decided to go for it on fourth and short and 244 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, who had a tremendous game seven for a 245 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: buck forty four and a touchdown. But Jamison Williams drops 246 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: the fourth down pass that would have kept that drive 247 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: alive for the Lions. So the next time they're down there, 248 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: they're in the red zone again, and on third down, 249 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, you know, kind of a stunt type of 250 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: thing where he ends up ends up rushing up the 251 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: middle and Jared Goff thought he had time to make 252 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the throw and then suddenly Micah Parsons was in his 253 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: face and golf was on his back, and the lost 254 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: yardage from that sack then forced the Lions to kick 255 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: a field goal, so they were down by seven. I 256 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: think that even played into in a lot of ways 257 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: how that next possession for the Packers went, because the 258 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: different if the Lions get a touchdown there as opposed 259 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: to a field goal and they're only down three is 260 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: opposed to down seven. You know, how do the decisions 261 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: change and how does it play out? So Parsons with 262 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: a big time played late in the fourth quarter in 263 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: the red zone again, and it has a huge impact 264 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: on the football game. 265 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: This guy, man, it is I can't envision it han't 266 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: gone any better than what it's been for the Green 267 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: Bay Packers. Making a trade of that significance on the 268 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: eve of the season. Yeah, without any history in this defense. 269 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: Obviously some parallels, as he said, between what the Dallas 270 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: did with Mike Zimmer and what you know Jeff Hafley 271 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: wants to do. But still the guy came in quarter 272 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: to midnight on the NFL season. It has played just 273 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: exceptionally wonderful football. In addition to the fact that you know, 274 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: for all this consternation about how he defends the run, 275 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: I mean what he has done, being able to set 276 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: an edge and being able to just play in different capacities. 277 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: The most that he shows when he's pursuing the quarterback, 278 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: it applies to every down that he plays. And it 279 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: feels like as that him and Jeff Hafley have worked 280 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: through this season, they've developed a rapport that has enabled 281 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: him to become even more dangerous. Right, whether it's been 282 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: some of the inside concepts, whether it's been on some 283 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: of the extreme stunts that he's been running. And Mike, 284 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man, the guy could play fifteen 285 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: years in the NFL. I got a feeling that that 286 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: sack he had of Goff against Taylor Decker is gonna 287 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: be one that's gonna stay on his highlight reel for 288 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: a very long time. 289 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: The one around the blind side unbelievable. 290 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that was one of those prototypical the quarterback 291 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: is barely in his drop and Michaeh. Parsons is already 292 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: on him. Taylor Decker dealing with some injuries, but one 293 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: of the best left tackles in the game, certainly one 294 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: of the most longest tenured. They try to match up 295 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Parsons one on one and you see how perilous that 296 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: that can be. Yeah, and as you mentioned him walking 297 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: away with history from this game. The guy makes everybody 298 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: better on defense. There's a swagger that I feel like 299 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: is engulfed in this thing now too. As the official 300 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: van the fan vote for the Pro Bowl has been 301 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: out now five days in, he has the third most votes. 302 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: He's leading all defensive ends Packer fans. There's number one 303 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: jerseys everywhere in Green Bay. This guy's a superstar. 304 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. He absolutely is a superstar. Well, there 305 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: was one piece of bad news other than you and 306 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I both getting sick, that came back from Detroit, and 307 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: that is that. Unfortunately, and it actually happened on the 308 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: three minutes to go in the fourth quarter sack by 309 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. On that play, Devonte Wyatt went down with 310 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: what has turned out to be a season ending ankle injury. 311 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: And as a big loss for the Packers because you know, 312 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Wyatt was he was on pace to set a career 313 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: high in sacks. He had four in ten games. His 314 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: career high, I believe was five and a half. Really 315 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: disruptive player both against the run and as an interior 316 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and the Packers now defensively have to move 317 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: on without him. Now they have they have the depth 318 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: from the number of body standpoint, You've got a guy 319 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: like Carl Brooks, who hopefully will be back from his 320 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: ankle injury soon. You have two rookies who can sort 321 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: of job share in a way. Because Nazir Stackhouse is 322 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of the run stuffer in the middle. Warren Brinson, 323 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: his Georgia teammate, is more of a help on the 324 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: interior pass rush, so they can trade off duties there 325 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: in some respects. But Whyatt's gonna be tough to replace, 326 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: and this is a big loss for Green Bay's defense. 327 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to just say credit to Devonte Wyatt. 328 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: He was already banged up when he went back into 329 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: the game. He actually left. I don't know what the 330 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: injury was. He got kind of banged up, helped off, 331 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: went to the medical tent, went back with the defensive line. 332 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: I think it was the second series that he'd returned. 333 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: Then unfortunately that happened. So he was already toughing it 334 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: out to be out there for this group. I said 335 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: it from day one when the Packers made this trade 336 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: for Parsons that they don't make that trade and don't 337 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: part ways with Kenny Clark if they didn't feel good 338 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 2: about where number ninety five was at now in his 339 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: fourth NFL season and when he was healthy, he was 340 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: a huge impact player. I mean, I wrote this an 341 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: incenter inbox, but he was third on the defense in 342 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: both quarterback hits and sacks despite the fact he'd missed 343 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: what three games total in addition to some of the 344 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: other playing time issues and related to being beat up. 345 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: DeVante Wyatt is on the precipice here becoming a really 346 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: complete defensive lineman, an interior defensive lineman, and a playmaker 347 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: for this defense. All that being said, the Packers still 348 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: have a lot of depth there. The young guns that 349 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: they have in Wooden and Brooks now step firmly into 350 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: the spotlight. We'll have to see exactly what can happen 351 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: here with the interior pass rush. Certainly Brinson's going to 352 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: factor into that. Baron Surrell has been playing a little 353 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: bit of three tech and Nickel Lucas Vaness appears to 354 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: still be a little bit away here. Yeah, he was 355 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: in the locker room on Monday. Rob Damofski from ESPN 356 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: dot com it's spoken to him and said, he's basically 357 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: back now. I don't want to say back to square one, 358 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: but he's in the rehab process again, hoping to get 359 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: back here at some point. We did learn based on 360 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: the NFL Transaction Wire on Monday, that Brenton Cox Juniors 361 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: returned to practice window opened on Monday, so maybe he 362 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: could factor into this. But it's gonna take all hands 363 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: on deck here down the stretch to replace a player 364 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: like Devonte Wide. He's just he's too He does too 365 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: many things well in addition to being a factor in 366 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: that third down pass rush, and that will be just 367 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: like Tuckercraft on the offensive side of the ball, something 368 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: that I think everybody on the defense is going to 369 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: have to take upon their shoulders. 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Learn more 386 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: about all the wonders of Wisconsin at Travel Wisconsin dot 387 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: com slash Wonders. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted Wes. The 388 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: NFC North, the Chicago Bears are sitting on top of 389 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: the division at nine to three. They have now won 390 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: nine of their last ten games since an zero to 391 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: two start to the Ben Johnson era. The Packers right 392 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: on their heels at eight to three and one. The 393 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions fall to third place at seven and five 394 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: in the division, and the Bears are coming in. We'll 395 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: talk a lot more about Chicago and previewing that matchup 396 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field this week on our next show. But man, 397 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: the way the way things are shaping up in the NFC, 398 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you had the Carolina Panthers pull an up set and 399 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: knock off the Los Angeles Rams, the Bears beating the 400 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. So Thanksgiving weekend is in the books in 401 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: the NFL, and there is not a single team in 402 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: the NFC with ten wins. But there are ten teams 403 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: in the NFC that are above five hundred ye with 404 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: basically five games left to go. I mean, it's if 405 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: you haven't buckled up yet, like now is the time. 406 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this, this is gonna get wild. 407 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be. And I'm just gonna say this. 408 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: You can disagree with me. I don't know how you 409 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 2: feel about it. I feel like, other than Cleveland, I 410 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: don't think any of the Packers non wins, I think 411 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: they all held up. I mean, when you look at 412 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: the way Dallas has played this, they played inspired football. 413 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: Man, Dallas has the number one offense in the league 414 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: right now, They're the team. They are the team that 415 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: nobody can stop. 416 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: And in credit to George pickens Man because for is 417 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 2: be leaguered and as much of his name had been 418 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: drug through the mug mud. Oh my gosh, I can't 419 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: speak drag through the mud in Pittsburgh. This guy, in 420 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: addition to being what appears to be a good Samaritan 421 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: so far in Dallas, has been unbelievable in partnership with 422 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and c Lamb and Ceedee Lamb is just 423 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb. Yeah, the Carolina Panthers are the friskiest team 424 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: of all. If this team finds its way in the playoffs, 425 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: because Tampa is falling off right now, if the Carolina 426 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: Panthers find themselves in the players, they're gonna be kind 427 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: of like the Packers two years ago. Nobody's gonna want 428 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: to play. 429 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're not gonna win them. 430 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: You could be a two seed, you can be. They're 431 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: gonna give everybody fits. Now. They could come up empty. 432 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: But they also, I mean the way that they have 433 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: risen to the occasion. Bryce Young has been all over 434 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: the board in terms of his performance, but the guy 435 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: when he's on is on. And then obviously I don't 436 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: think you can count with the Detroit Lions either. So 437 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: this race in the NFC is gonna be one to watch. 438 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: We'll preview the Bears on Thursday. I watched ninety eight 439 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: percent of that game against Philly. I was I was 440 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: not impressed by what I saw from Philly, But the 441 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: Bears did what the Bears do, and I thought defensively 442 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: they actually held up a little bit better than they have. 443 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: They certainly still took the ball away. But there's so 444 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: many weird anomalies with this team, Mike. When they're nine 445 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: to three, they're plus six in points scored, like they have, 446 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: their takeaway turnover margin is higher than there are points 447 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: four and points against. But they find ways to win, 448 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: and they've been building momentum as the season wears on. 449 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, so many things to go over yet with 450 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: that matchup. But this Sunday at Lambofield. Man, it's hard 451 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: to think of a game against the Bears that's been 452 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: played at lambeau Field that is more consequential that I 453 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: can remember in my time on the beat. There's been 454 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: some big ones in Soldier Field, ye, but at Lambo. 455 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 456 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: This might be up there. 457 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going I was actually going through some 458 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: of the history and it's interesting because if you go 459 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: back to and I may write about this later in 460 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the week, should I've done some research if you go 461 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: back to the twenty ten NFC Championship, which was obviously 462 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: played at Soldier Field, So there's been roughly fifteen years 463 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: since then. I only came up with I only came 464 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: up with two games in the Packers Bears rivalry where 465 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot on the line for both teams. 466 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, there have been there have been games where 467 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the Bears clinched the NFC North 468 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: title in twenty eighteen against the Packers. The Packers clinched 469 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: the number one seed in the playoffs in twenty twenty 470 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: at Chicago against the Bears. So there are games like 471 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: that where there's been a lot on the line for 472 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: one team but not so much to the other. But there 473 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: was a game in twenty twelve where the Packers and 474 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: Bears had records similar to what they have now, kind 475 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: of a late November I think it was game. And 476 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: then obviously the regular season finale in twenty thirteen, which 477 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: was which was winner take all, the winner goes to 478 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: the playoffs, the loser goes home, and the fourth and 479 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: eight and all that. But other than those two games 480 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: since the NFC Championship, there haven't been Packers Bears games 481 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: with a lot at stake for both squads, and I 482 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: think that, you know, it takes the combination of that 483 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: and the fact that the Bears broke their losing streak 484 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: to the Packers in the regular season finale last year, 485 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: when the Packers were being cautious with Jordan Love because 486 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: of the playoffs coming up when he injured his hand 487 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: and all of that, the Bears broke that losing streak, 488 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, we're going to have 489 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: this highly consequential game for both squads, and then oh yeah, 490 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: they're going to play each other again thirteen days later 491 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: in Chicago. So this hole the stretch run is here, 492 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: but the stretch run is just getting started. 493 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: So can check this out too, because again West Hawk 494 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: was fun with numbers here if you look at net touchdowns, Okay, 495 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: the last three years for the number one seed in 496 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: the NFC, San Francisco was plus thirty in twenty twenty three, 497 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, the Detroit Lions were plus thirty three. 498 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: As it stands right now, the number one seeded Chicago 499 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Bears minus three in net in touchdowns. Like I just 500 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: I have so much respect for what Ben Johnson's accomplished 501 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: because it's just been it's been so atypical and I'm 502 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: curious to see independent of this game on Sunday, you 503 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: know what the Bears do down the stretch here, because 504 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: it's all to play for. They could win fourteen games 505 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: this season if they really take this thing all the 506 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: way to the playoffs. But just seeing how they manifest 507 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 2: this is going to be fascinating. I will say this again, 508 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: we'll preview it on Thursday. But being able to develop 509 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 2: a two headed monster in the backfield that has been 510 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: the best friend of Caleb Williams. I think Caleb Williams 511 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 2: has a lot of good traits that you look for 512 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: in a quarterback, but he's not turned into the three 513 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yard passer, you know, dominate the opposition. 514 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: He needs help so far in his career, and he's 515 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: getting that. In addition to the fact that he's just 516 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: been Harry Houdini in the pocket. Guys being unable to 517 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: take him to the ground. And defensively, we have not 518 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: seen a unit take the ball away at this clip 519 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: like what Dennis Allen's group has done this season. So yeah, 520 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be great theater. But the fact that 521 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: the Rams got tripped up by the Panthers, the Eagles 522 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: got tripped up by the Bears, that there are all 523 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: these eight and nine win teams right now, like the 524 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: Packers sit in the sixth seed in with a win 525 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: on Sunday could catapult themselves right to the top of 526 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: this thing. It shows you the amount of parody but 527 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: also the top heaviness of this NFC, and the stakes 528 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: for Green Bay are gonna be astronomically high from one 529 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: week to the next. There are no real gimmes here. 530 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: Obviously Minnesota was not inspiring what we saw, you know, 531 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: against Seattle on Sunday, But this next fourteen days, that's 532 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: whole stretch. It doesn't get much more exciting. 533 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be. It's really gonna be something. We've 534 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: got a lot more that we will discuss with regard 535 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: to the Bears and break them down offensively, defensively, all 536 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: that on our next show, but for now we're gonna 537 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 538 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 539 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com for Wesi and Mike. Thank 540 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: you for tuning in, everybody, and we will see you 541 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: next time.