1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Listener Mail. This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormack. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Can we're bringing you some of the messages that you've 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: sent in over the past week or two. And to 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: start us off today, we got a wonderful response to 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: our episode on the pair of episodes on the Holy 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Undead Rob Do you want to start with this one 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: from Rhiannon? Sure? Sure, Rhiannon writes, Dear Robert and Joe, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to start off by saying how amazing the 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: pot is. You guys kept me company during the early 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: hours of the morning while I was nursing my newborn 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the COVID pandemic. I also 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoy weird house cinema, although the only film I've 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: watched was Deep Blue Sea. There's something very enjoyable about 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: listening to two friends talk about films they're passionate about, 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: even if I've never heard of them. Anyway, Growing up 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: in South Wales we have a very rich history of legends. 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: I only became aware of this legend when I was 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: in my twenties, when I went to work in a 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: neighboring area to the legend in the village of Egloeslien, 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the locals refused to go anywhere near the church after dark. 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Villagers told of ghostly figures wandering through the church the 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: night after someone had died. After a night out with 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: some friends, I assumed some beer was drank, a young 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: farm hand saw that there were candles lit in the 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: church and he could see ghostly figures moving around with 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: the aforementioned Dutch courage, he decided to look through the window. 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: Instead of ghosts roaming the pews, it was in fact 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: the vicar and his daughters dressed in ghostly robes. That's 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: a good racket. The vicar would tell grieving families that 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: it was important for any jewelry or money be placed 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: in the casket of the deceased prior to burial. In 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: the dead of night, then the vicar and his daughters 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: would steal all the valuables before the burial. While looking 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: through the window, the farm hand made a noise and 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: was spotted by one of the quote unquote ghosts. He 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: heard them say that they would have to kill him, 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: so he ran and hit under a bridge when he 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: took villagers to see the church. The next day, the 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: vicar and his daughters were gone. The body of the 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: latest death in the village was lying in an open 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: coffin without her valuables. The vicar and his daughters were 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: never seen again. In one of the mabinogi, there is 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: also a pyre dad Enny, which is a cauldron of rebirth. 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: It was gifted to the King of Ireland. Any dead 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: soldiers were placed in the cauldron to emerge alive but 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: deaf and maybe mute. One final note. Growing up in 49 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: South Wales, I was lucky enough to spend many a 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: wet weekend visiting the many historical houses that are in 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: the area. Hearing the Invention episode where you discussed turnspit 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: dogs was fascinating. Is I didn't realize it was unusual. 53 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Thanks again for all the content you guys put out, Rhiannon. 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: You imagine growing up in a magical land where turnspit 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: dogs are just part of everything, you know. It's like 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: he's like I was living in the Shire in my 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: early life, except there were little little treadmills in every kitchen. Well, 58 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: I I don't take her to me to mean that 59 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: she grew up surrounded by actual functional turns a bit dogs, 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: but more like, oh well, here here are the remnants 61 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: of this practice and uh, and therefore it's not why 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: would you be shocked that this occurred? Obviously this occurred. 63 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: We see the leftovers of this. So one thing I 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: really like about your your legend from Oh no, what's 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: the name of this place again, egglun is that this 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: is the this is the Scooby Doo in version. Right. 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: You would expect the local legend about the hauntings of 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: the church to have some ghostly backstory and we're maybe 69 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: even end up with with a bunch of revenants roasting 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the local priest on the altar. But no, in this case, 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: they pull the mask off, and you know, if it 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: wasn't for these meddling farmers, we would have got away 73 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: with it. I like the detail about how they were 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: never seen again, because on one hand, we can take 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: the very literal version of that and it's like they 76 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: skipped down like the uh, you know, the the con 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: is over and they must flee to another town to 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: try and and pull this off. Um. But it also 79 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: reminds me of some other stories. In fact, some some 80 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: Chinese stories that I that I was reading recently about 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: where tigers and this this factory into a recent artifact 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: monster fact episode um where after someone is discovered, uh, 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: they disappear, They're gone, like they they they're forced to 84 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: leave the world of the living and live in the wilds. Uh. 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: So there's something kind of supernatural to this as well. 86 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: And it also mirrors those other ghost stories where when 87 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the sun comes back up, when people go to investigate 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: the mysterious happenings, uh, the perpetrators are nowhere to be seen. 89 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: In this case, not merely because they were ghosts that 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: had returned to the grave, but because they were criminals 91 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: who had to flee down. Oh well, we didn't think 92 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: about the other alternative. One other interpretation is that the 93 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: legend implies the vicar and his daughters were like torn 94 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: apart by the ghosts of the of the people who 95 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: had passed on or something met some met some ignominious 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: end in the middle of the night, and thus were 97 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: never seen again. Yeah, that would be a nice twist. 98 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: But I gotta say to the farm hand, what you 99 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: go hide under a bridge? You're lucky you got away. 100 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the first place of vicar is going 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to look under the bridge. It seems obvious, Okay, I 102 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: will say however, I don't necessarily think people need to 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: be deserved to be torn apart by revenance if they 104 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: steal from the debt. It seems a little harsh. I 105 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: guess it depends what they steal. Like somehow, I feel 106 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: this needs to be paired with all those Scottish stories 107 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: that were well, not just legends but actual reality about 108 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: all the bodies being stolen out of graves for for 109 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: medical colleges and the the nineteenth century. I guess the 110 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: the I I think that the idea of revenance tearing 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: the vicar and his daughter's apart, that would work best 112 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: if the vicar and his daughters were clearly killing people 113 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: to cover up their crimes. You know, then maybe it 114 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: feels a little more balanced, at least in a you know, 115 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: folkloreic sense. Well, yes, I guess from our point of view. 116 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: But then again, many legends ain't fair true true Alright. 117 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: This next message comes to us from Fion. Fion says, 118 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Dear Robert, Joe and Seth, Hi, y'all love the show 119 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: and thought I'd finally right in when Joe mentioned that 120 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: he had heard a score written for Metropolis in the 121 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: episode about the science of Scary Music. It instantly reminded 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: me of a fond memory from when I was a 123 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: young teenager going to see this movie for the first time. 124 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: It was a special viewing and it took place in 125 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: an old Gothic church with the band uh three up Kano. 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you say that, but it's the 127 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: numeral three and then E p k A n Oh 128 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: performing their score live. Interesting. This is apparently an Irish 129 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: band that have performed live musical scores for the likes 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: of the captinet of Dr Kalagari, Metropolis, Nosferatuta. Yeah, I 131 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: looked them up and I like the music. I don't 132 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: think this is the one I heard. Um, I'm not. 133 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: I can't be positive about that because I don't remember 134 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: which the one I heard was. But this doesn't sound 135 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: right for for the one I heard in the past. 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I like their stuff. But fiend goes on. 137 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: I also wanted to respond to your discussion of early 138 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: Christians incorporating pagan beliefs into the religion as its spread 139 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: in The Holy Undead Part one. This reminded me of Bridgid, 140 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: a fantastic character from Irish myth and one of the 141 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: two author to Donnon. She is still celebrated here in 142 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: Ireland and uh and abroad, and mostly as Saint Bridget, 143 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: a Catholic saint who is essentially the same character with 144 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: the same stories. A group of local storytellers and podcasters 145 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: kindle It Tales have great insights into this and give 146 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: wonderful performances of Irish tales. So I thought you guys 147 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: might be interested. To close off, I wanted to share 148 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: one more thing, the Tale of Kucullen by Miracle of 149 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Sound and Irish folk slash metal song about the hero Cucullen, 150 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: who has come up in several of your previous episodes. 151 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: And then we get a link. Thanks for all the 152 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: enlightening and entertaining discussion, all the best fun. All right, 153 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: here's one from Jim in New Jersey, who've heard too, 154 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: of course, many times before. Jim wrights in and says 155 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. In season two, episode thirteen of the 156 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: Walking Dead, the main characters have been scattered due to 157 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: an encounter with a herd of zombie walkers. No one 158 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: knows how many of their other friends and family have survived. 159 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: Main character Rick Grimes and his son Carl have escaped 160 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: with a man of faith Herschel Green. There at a 161 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: crossroads moment discussing what to do, Herschel laments that um 162 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: all that he's lost, including his daughters who might be dead. 163 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Here's the dialogue that follows. As Rick encounters Herschel's statement. 164 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: Rick says, and you don't know that you're a man 165 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: of God has some faith, and then Herschel says, I 166 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: can't profess to understand God's plan, but Christ promised the 167 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something 168 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: a little different in mind. And then Jim continues, Herschel's 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: statement is my favorite from the entire series. Jim in 170 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: New Jersey. I didn't really do Herschel justice there, Sorry 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: about that. What are you familiar with this character? I 172 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: never made it that far in The Walking Dead? Uh? Yeah. 173 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: This was a character played by the late great Um 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: character actor Scott Wilson. So he was in my opinion, 175 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: he was. He was always the strongest acting presence on 176 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: the entire our show. Uh So he was one of 177 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: those he was one of those actors that anything he said, 178 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: no matter, you know, no matter how the writing was, 179 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: he was going to inject a certain level of of 180 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: life and seriousness or even humor into it. He was 181 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: just he was just really good. I don't specifically remember 182 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: this moment, but but I can I can, you know, 183 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: I can certainly imagine in my head both of these 184 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: these actors giving those lines life. Okay, so you can't 185 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: do herschel justice, But how's your rick? I don't know. 186 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: I felt my my rick was pretty strong there. Yeah, 187 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: I haven't watched The Walking Dead in a in a while. 188 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I think i'd I'd watched several seasons and then we 189 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: kind of stopped watching about four or five years ago 190 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: and we just didn't pick it back up. That line 191 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: does highlight something interesting that I think what Jim is 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: getting at is uh something about the fluidity of the 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: concepts of life after death or resurrection of the dead 194 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: as came through in the Holy Undead episodes. That there's 195 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: some kind of uh strange situation where like remember Bishop 196 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: Titmar was taking these weird stories obviously about revenants that 197 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: have some kind of menacing aura, and they probably don't 198 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: originally come you know, the legends were probably not created 199 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: by Christians, and they've got the certain pagan aspects to them. 200 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: But he's willing to take it. He'll take it and say, okay, yeah, 201 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: resurrection of the dead. So you just like we told you. Um. 202 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: So it does highlight something funny about like what are 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,479 Speaker 1: the boundaries of like the fluidity of these kind of concepts. 204 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: How how close does it have to be to apply 205 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: to your religious precepts about resurrection? Yeah, and then it 206 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: also makes me think about there there if you, if 207 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: you travel deep enough in the South, you encounter all 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: sorts of billboards that are alarming or enraging. But there 209 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: are a series I think these are in like South 210 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Georgia where suddenly there are these billboards that feature images 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: of Christ with like um, like military strike teams or 212 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Christ with zombies. And it's it's very weird and strange. 213 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: But but it imply, I mean, assuming these are not 214 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: just completely you know, attempt it's it's satire or something. Um. 215 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: It seems like like someone has picked up, uh, some 216 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: level of like zombie media and sort of folded that 217 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: into their own sort of apocalyptic understandings of of the Bible. 218 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's very weird. I think it's settling. 219 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: I think this exists in American culture. There's a certain 220 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: amount of UM pop syncretism again to you know, invoke 221 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: the syncretism. But here what's being mixed is UM a 222 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: certain type of fundamentalist Christianity that's very focused on the 223 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: end times and popular post apocalyptic media. And I think 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: this gets combined sometimes in like the prepper mindset and 225 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Well yeah, I guess also if we 226 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: think back to even like the nineteen nineties and probably 227 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties as well, UM, you saw certain, uh, 228 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: certain examples of this where you took modern ideas of 229 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: what the end of the world might be, like modern 230 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: ideas of say, what a um, a nuclear war would 231 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: consist of, and that gets um reinterpreted through the lens 232 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: of like the Book of Revelation. Yeah, yeah, the Book 233 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: of Revelation. Oh yeah, Actually it's talking about helicopters and 234 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: nuclear bombs and fallout and stuff like that, um, which folks, 235 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: it's not you know it. It is a very political book, 236 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: but it was about the Roman Empire, all right. This 237 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: next message comes from Nathan and it concerns a couple 238 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: of previous episodes. Our series on religious reactions to the 239 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: Black Death and our episode and the episode I did 240 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: with Seth on scary music. This is from Nathan. Nathan says, 241 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: I loved your series of episodes on God and the 242 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: Black Death. It's fascinating to learn more than just the 243 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: standard story on the plagues bread, and I was surprised 244 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: how it affected both Western and Eastern religions. You mentioned 245 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where 246 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: a line of monks hit themselves in the head with 247 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: wooden boards. Aside from the absurd physical comedy, this is 248 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: also a loving spoof of Ingmar Bergman's The Seventh Seal. 249 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: The entire movie is a meditation on how people react 250 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to death during the plague and how God and the 251 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Church fit into their lives. In particular, there is a 252 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: scene where a procession of people enters the town square moaning, 253 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: self flagellating and chanting the d s Earra. The d 254 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: s Earra actually came up in uh I think the 255 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: previous Listener Mail episode. Again, it's that it often refers 256 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: to It's like a medieval chant that I think was 257 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: associated with funerals, but today the phrase ds era often 258 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: refers to like the first four notes sequence in this chant, which, 259 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: if you're trying to conjure it in your mind, it's 260 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: also the first four notes of the main theme to 261 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the Shining. Nathan says, the scene is haunting, and this 262 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: is referring again to the Seventh Seal seen as haunting 263 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: in the movie. Quite thought provoking. Well, Nathan, thank you 264 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: for calling this to mind, because I had I've seen 265 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: the Seventh Seal, but it's been a long time and 266 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: I completely forgot this was in there. I did not 267 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: remember that Monty Python was was doing a parody of this, 268 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: But man, that's seen this good Halloween content. Oh yes, yeah, 269 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: it's Likewise, I think it's been a very long time 270 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: since I've I've seen this film, and I don't even 271 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: know if it's one I ever watched in its entirety. 272 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I only caught caught it in chunks on one 273 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of the classic movie channels back in the day. But 274 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: but certainly a beautifully rendered in black and white and 275 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: very very fitting for the theme of the film. Well, 276 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of stuff in it. It's 277 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: one of those movies that has been parodied in many 278 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: ways that people don't even realize, like they don't realize 279 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: what the original references. So I think maybe today a 280 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: lot of people have seen Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey 281 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: and they don't quite realize the connection with the death character. Yeah, yeah, 282 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: well William Sandler's character from that that also popped up 283 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: on Tales from the crypt Um. Yeah, is is a 284 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: direct reference to this film. Nathan continues, moving to a 285 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: lighter note. I just listened to your episode The Science 286 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: of Scary Music. Joe and Seth discussed how early sound 287 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: movies always had to show where the musical score was 288 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: coming from on screen. This reminded me of something I'd 289 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: heard about a Marx Brothers movie from nine called The Coconuts. 290 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: According to IMDb, and orchestra was brought onto the set 291 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: to play the background music for the film's songs to 292 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: avoid the music seemingly coming from nowhere. However, they were 293 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: not actually filmed playing, so the scenes were included with 294 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: no on screen orchestra. When the film was released, one 295 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: of the writers jibed, no one cared, of course, keep 296 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: up the fund and Enlightening podcast. Nathan, alright, well, speaking 297 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: of cinema, let's h let's look at a Weird House 298 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Cinema email. This one comes to us from Stephen. Greetings, 299 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: mind Blowers, Robin Show. My name is Stephen pronounced Stephen. 300 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Longtime listener, first time mailer, or wanted to start by 301 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: thanking you for the endless hours of high quality entertainment 302 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: you keep me saying during the long night shifts at 303 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: my cannabis laboratory job. I've learned much listening to your show, 304 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and you both have reignited my love for knowledge after 305 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: a tumultuous but successful end of my college career. Weird 306 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: House Cinema has a was a fantastic addition to the show, 307 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: and as a want to be horror guy is always 308 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: a highlight of my week. I'm writing you to recommend 309 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: Final Fantasy Spirits Within for Weird House Cinema. Oh dude, 310 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: beyond the name, it has nothing to do with the 311 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: expensive video game franchise, so no prior knowledge is required 312 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: to enjoy the film. In fact, I felt like I 313 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: knew more about the film before I watched it. It 314 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: was the first feature length photo realistic c G I filmed. 315 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: The visuals are pleasant for their age, and the story 316 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: centers on a scientist who's trying to save a post 317 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: apocalyptic Earth from invisible nuclear holocaust alien ghosts. The dialogue 318 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: is purec start to finish in this movie absolutely must 319 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: be seen to be believed. Plus cool alien designs. Hoping 320 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: this movie earns a spot on your fabled weird House 321 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: cinema list. Keep up the fantastic work. Thank you both well. 322 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: I think if we did it, it would be our 323 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: first twenty one century movie. Um, is that correct? We 324 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: we still have not broken the century barrier. Yes, that 325 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: would be correct. We have not ventured into the twenty 326 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: one century yet. And final fantasy, The Spirits Women came 327 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: out in two thousand and one. I saw this movie 328 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: in theaters. I don't know, Yes I did, uh, And 329 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: in fact, I wonder if that's the only way anybody's 330 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: ever seen it, because this is one of those movies. 331 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: It's of a type and from a period that I 332 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: feel like does not get a lot of revisiting, which 333 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: I think is actually the perfect kind of film to 334 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: look at on weird how cinema movie that like is 335 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: is weird for all kinds of interesting reasons, and people 336 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: have completely forgotten about If we could only do movies 337 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: like that, that'd be wonderful. I remember watching this on 338 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: a television set in a dorm room, and um, I 339 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: remember being amused by it at the time. I haven't 340 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: seen it since it has a tremendous a voice cast. 341 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: A lot of very talented actors were involved in the 342 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: English dub on this, but I do vaguely remember there 343 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: being some sort of interesting monsters, and I remember the 344 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: I remember the animation being ambitious. Yeah, I wonder how 345 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: that animation has aged, because Frank, a lot of computer animation, 346 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: especially from like this period the early two thousands, is 347 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: now is now rather hilarious to look at. But I 348 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: haven't gone back and watched this one. Several things that 349 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: stick in my mind about I think I may have 350 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: somehow mentioned this on the podcast before when this came out, 351 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: but one of the things a friend of mine who 352 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: we went to see it. One of my friends pointed 353 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: out that the last line of dialogue in the film 354 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: is Donald Sutherland saying, oh, it's warm. Looking at the stills, 355 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm reminded that the lead character, at least in many 356 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: of these shots as A has a very strong Jennifer 357 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: Connelly vibe to her, but he's not voiced by Jennifer Connelly, 358 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: which it seems like a missed opportunity, but I guess 359 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: this all of this movie was also before we started 360 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: seeing more of that where you would have computer animated 361 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: characters that were based specifically on individuals. Yeah, if I recall, so, 362 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: it does have a well known voice cast, but my 363 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: memory is that the characters don't look like the people 364 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: voicing them. So I know the voice cast included like 365 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: Donald Sutherland, Uh, Steve BASHEMI I think Ving Rams and uh, 366 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: I think the villain was James Woods, so you know, yes, 367 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: that is I remember that. Yeah, so it's got like 368 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: a very well known American voice cast, but like the 369 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: characters didn't look like any of those people, right, But 370 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: who knows, we might have to consider it. I wonder 371 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: if it's one that has been remastered it at all 372 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: over the years. Um. Either way, if we were to 373 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: cover do I think it would it would not only 374 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: be our first twenty one century film, it would also 375 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: be our first animated film. Right. Have we done a 376 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: fully animated film yet? Huh? I was thinking we had, 377 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: But now that I think, I can't call it. I 378 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: guess it depends do you count the paper animations of 379 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Cinderella and that, well, we did do. Yes, that that 380 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: is true. That was an animated themed uh uh episode, 381 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: So I guess that that sort of counts. Well. I 382 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: guess it would be more correct to say we have 383 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: not done a feature length animated film yet. But yeah, 384 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean, all other things being equal, Stephen, Uh, I 385 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: think I think you may in fact have a good 386 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: sense of what kind of weird and forgotten film is. 387 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: Is ripe for picking on this show? Now? Speaking of films, Joe, 388 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: have you seen the new Dune adaptation yet? Oh? I haven't. 389 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: I have a good excuse, which is the my eyeballs 390 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: have been in the shop ever since we watched House 391 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: by the Cemetery. But as soon as I get them 392 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: back and fully work in working order again, I'm gonna 393 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: watch Dune. Okay, that's good, am I, because I was. 394 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: I was beginning to suspect that you might be watching 395 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: films about thinking machines instead, which would be a huge no. No, 396 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: I would never, I would never. Well, um, once, once 397 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: you have had a chance to watch it, we'll have 398 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: to discuss it. Maybe, I think it might make sense 399 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: to maybe discuss it here on Listener Mail in the future. 400 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: And towards that end, if anyone out there has thoughts 401 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: on the New Dune adaptation and you would like to 402 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: share them with us, uh, please please do so. I 403 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: I greatly enjoyed watching the film, and they're they're various little, uh, 404 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: little moments that I that I took a lot of 405 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: joy in uh and and would win would love to 406 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to chat about them. So, so hey, let us let 407 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: us know about that. What do you think about the uh, 408 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, the music, the look, the performances and those 409 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: little almost kind of easter eggs that are scattered throughout, 410 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: sometimes referring to things that that come up later on 411 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: in the in the series, or things that were in 412 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: the first book that you just were never going to 413 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: be adapted, just because you know, it's just a miniscule thing, uh, 414 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: and there's no time for it even in like a 415 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: six hour adaptation. A strange trend we've sort of noticed 416 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: so far is that this seems to be the inverse 417 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: of a lot of movie adaptations of books. A lot 418 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: of times you get the situation where people who haven't 419 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: read the book like the movie adaptation because the story 420 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: is new to them, and then people who have read 421 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: the book are like mad because the movie didn't get 422 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: some aspect of the book that they wanted and all that, 423 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Uh seems kind of the inverse here. All the people 424 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I know who love the movie the most are people 425 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: who love the book as well. Yeah, I haven't talked 426 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: to a ton of people about it, but I can 427 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: see that trend. Most of the people I've talked to 428 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: about it are people who had read it and they 429 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: liked it. Um. However, my wife never read the book, 430 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: but she was, you know, quite familiar from growing up 431 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: watching the Lynch version, so she kind of had that 432 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: to build on. So I wonder if there isn't another 433 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: category of Dune fan where maybe they haven't read it, 434 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: but they're familiar enough with the story through pop culture 435 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: and through the previous adaptations that they're essentially good to go. Like, 436 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: they know what the story beats are gonna be, they 437 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: know what the some of the main technologies and themes are, 438 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: and uh, this is uh to a certain extent, you know, 439 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: just a new fantastic coat of paint on everything. Why 440 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: she's familiar because she grew up watching the Lynch version. 441 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: That's cool. Well, you know, it's like every Christmas or 442 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: something well, the way TV used to work is TV 443 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: was on and you watched it, so you know those 444 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: were the most Yeah, Dune was was it was a 445 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: movie that they would would just air and if it were, 446 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: if it were on, you watch part of it. I 447 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: mean it was. Lynch is Done is a lot of things, 448 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, visually boring is not one of them. 449 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: Um so um uh, you know there's that. And I 450 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: think the thing maybe they might have owned it on 451 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: VHS or something as well. Now type of contrast I 452 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: have sort of noticed so far is that I of 453 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: course him in many ways a big fan of Lynch's 454 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: adaptation of Done, But of course Lynch's vision of Doune 455 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: is gorgeously ugly. Is the new movie also in a 456 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: way gorgeously ugly or is it just gorgeous? Um? I 457 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: mean it's gorgeously ugly where it needs to be, but 458 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: not as ugly like you know, take um, I take 459 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: the Baron, you know the Baron is I feel like 460 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: in this new adaptation is as hideous as he needs 461 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: to be without like really amping it up, you know, 462 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: without without saying well, he's evil, But how can we 463 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: say that with boils? You know, the boils are unnecessary. 464 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: You know there's you know, you have an awesome costume, 465 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: awesome makeup, build out, and then an awesome performance at 466 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: the heart of it by stelln Scar Scar. Al Right, well, 467 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: as soon as I get the eyes back, I am 468 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: good to go on Dune. Well, don't settle for those 469 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: slay Lexo eyes, Joe. Those are those are going to 470 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: totally destroy the experience. No, I will settle for no 471 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: upselling or down selling. I don't I don't know how 472 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: that would go. I won't take the tlee lock suh 473 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: loaners from the Okay, we gotta call it all right, yeah, 474 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, right in if you have thoughts about about 475 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: about din we we love chatting about Dune and I'm 476 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: hoping we'll have have have an episode coming out in 477 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: November where we'll maybe we'll dive into a Dune related topic, 478 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: so uh, stay tuned for that. In the meantime, if 479 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: you would like to check out other episodes of listener 480 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: mail from Stuff to Blow Your Mind, it airs on 481 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: Monday and the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast Feed 482 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays. We'll give you our core full length episodes. 483 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday is time for an artifact episode. Sometimes it's a 484 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: monster fact, depending on what we're feeling. And on Friday 485 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: we do Weird how Cinema. That's our time of course, 486 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: to just focus on a weird film. Huge thanks as 487 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. 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