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Speaker 5: Through in general terms, No, but I can't really read

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Speaker 6: It's less about getting like sick and more about like

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Speaker 6: I don't want to ZI because I touched my face

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Speaker 6: because of this?

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Speaker 4: Do people still use it? Says? Oh yeah, what else

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Speaker 4: do you say? We think?

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Speaker 5: We think Acney went away?

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Speaker 6: My dad chimes in via text, Troy Brown, But that

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Speaker 6: qualify as a somebody.

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Speaker 5: Who's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to fight any d.

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Speaker 7: Christian barmore in the flesh out there practicing taking reps.

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Speaker 4: People say we missed you a clock.

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Speaker 5: You guys have missed practice for personal reasons this year,

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Speaker 5: half a dozen. I think there's got to be more

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Speaker 4: I need a day.

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Speaker 5: That's what I think.

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Speaker 6: The work anti kids.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, go ahead, that's okay. I'm just it's like, it's

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Speaker 7: okay football. It's so true, it's so true.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 4: at Let's Stadium. Yeah, what are you pointing to a

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Speaker 4: light here now? And everything? I know you like one

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Speaker 6: Salty dogs that are out there, like what the hell?

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Speaker 4: As of fact, anyway, we're here to talk Patriots because

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Speaker 4: we are on air for the next two hours. It's Evan,

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Speaker 4: it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Matt and na

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Speaker 4: Booth and uh, tough loss, tough loss. Although you know,

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Speaker 4: we're here to emphasize the play of Drake May Yes,

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Speaker 4: I thought that first half he was flawless. He really

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Speaker 4: I think he would have been perfect, uh stats wise,

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Speaker 4: but he had a great game. The defense did not,

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Speaker 4: the coaches probably did not. But something that I wanted

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Speaker 4: to point out and I was, you know, I do

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Speaker 4: I think McVeigh after the game, very complimentary toward Drake

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Speaker 4: pretty good, and it's great to hear another coach talked

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Speaker 4: about your players that way. But that can have a

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Speaker 4: negative effect too, in that Belichick used to do the

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Speaker 4: same thing. He used to butter up the opponents sometimes.

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Speaker 4: And in this situation where you got these two probably

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Speaker 4: be careful here. I hope that you know, they didn't

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Speaker 4: take that they took that. I hope they took it

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Speaker 4: the right way in that yeah, you know, we're good,

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Speaker 4: but we're only as good as our team is, instead

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Speaker 4: of yeah we're good, how come we're losing? You know,

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't be losing like that, So you have to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean, Well, two young kids,

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Speaker 6: But I mean, I like hearing from McVeigh. I think

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Speaker 4: It is nice, but we can still do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but remember you're you're still part of a team that's losing,

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Speaker 6: I think one of the things I've learned I was

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Speaker 6: I mean, these Patriots teams, it's you know, the bad

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's like, I think all these teams have some talent

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Speaker 6: all kind of comes together when it works. But these

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Speaker 6: maybe if they were a little bit more talented, they'd

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Speaker 6: I feel like they're at now. No, that's what keeps

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot that separates these teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: and like you said, most of it is consistency doing it.

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Speaker 4: If you make these mistakes on a consistent basis, you

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, maybe it sounds so simple when when you

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Speaker 6: there are still talented players, and I'll focus on the

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Speaker 6: talent on this defense, but right now there's not enough talent,

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Speaker 6: And you know, I thought McVeigh I kind of dove

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Speaker 6: it so that Pooka and Akup and Cooper Cupp are

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Speaker 4: And you know, then the back and not and where

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Speaker 4: the Patriots coaches fell down is that once you realize

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Speaker 4: that didn't count, Okay, now you've got to go to

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Speaker 4: man to man right now, You've got to counter that.

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Speaker 4: And they seemingly stuck to their plan. You know. I

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Speaker 4: day this having Gonzo on the boundary would have worked,

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Speaker 7: The Gonza on the boundary thing is the most overrated

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Speaker 7: the way that the Rams play, they motion all the time, right,

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Speaker 7: So if you're traveling with guys in man to man

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Speaker 7: across the formation, and they actually did very early in

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Speaker 7: Niakua across the formation and Jonathan Jones lost them in

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Speaker 7: So what the Patriots did to combat this eventually? And

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Speaker 7: I agree that their plan coming into the game to

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Speaker 7: Marco Wilson, right, But in general, their plan to handle

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Speaker 4: But okay, so so they stuck to their side of

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Speaker 4: Does that still take Gonzo out of the play because

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Speaker 7: Asked, Yeah, yes, but yes in theory, yes, But what

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Speaker 7: was happening was was that Gonzo was starting on cupper

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Speaker 7: Nikua and McVeigh was motioning those guys across the other

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Speaker 4: So why is like I see teams doing that all

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Speaker 4: the time. Why is that difficult?

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Speaker 7: It's difficult to stick with the man, you know, because

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Speaker 7: that player now has a head of steam coming into

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Speaker 7: the other thing that I've heard a lot of from

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Speaker 7: the way to start, but like, no, it's okay. The

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Speaker 7: they double right? Why didn't they double Nikua out of

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Speaker 7: the game? Well, again, when you're motioning the receiver all

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Speaker 7: in these condensed formations like the you can't it's really

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna I just I think this is

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Speaker 4: interesting because, like you said, this was a big narrative

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Speaker 4: coming out of the game. I'm sure the Patriots coaches

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Speaker 4: did their homework and this is what the Rams do

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Speaker 4: in motion all the time?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 4: How are we going to combat that?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Are you saying that they didn't have a good plan

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent? Okay, so then that's a problem.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that that to me, The two biggest problems with

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Speaker 7: The biggest one to me or the two biggest ones

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Speaker 7: is a deuced to are there are we banjoing this?

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Speaker 7: So too many times early on in this game, two

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Speaker 7: The other issue that I thought, I thought with this

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Speaker 4: Do you think they did that? I couldn't.

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Speaker 7: I guess, I mean maybe, but like you have you know,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So they they had. I don't think that that

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Speaker 7: with it was that the corners were just exposed. You know,

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Speaker 7: when you leave them exposed like that, you know, really

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Speaker 7: There's nobody at the intermediate level. There's no robber help

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Speaker 4: So that was and I think that it was telling

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Speaker 7: Well, but I have a coach.

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Speaker 4: But but but sometimes you know, Okay, you have a

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Speaker 4: regret it later. I'm not you know, maybe ahead of

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Speaker 4: it seemed to be afterwards that yeah, that wasn't a

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Speaker 4: When he was asked about that and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 7: He said he thought it was the best thing to do.

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Speaker 7: And I can understand the rationale. I know, a lot

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Speaker 7: why are we doing that? I U no, Christian Gonzales

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Speaker 7: like eventually you just have to you know, kind of

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Speaker 7: And I actually thought in the second half they did

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Speaker 4: So, so a combination of that and the too much

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's how I would look at it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike, what did you have? You look you wanted

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Speaker 4: I forgot, I know, because because I think on offense,

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Speaker 6: I just I mean, I I wonder maybe this is

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Speaker 4: They're easy to offend.

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Speaker 6: They're easy to offend.

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Speaker 4: That's why.

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Speaker 7: I just don't think that they you know, this week,

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Speaker 5: To work again.

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Speaker 7: That's my point, And I just I don't you have

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Speaker 7: to be a little bit more malleable than that, Like

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Speaker 7: you have to game god opponents. So you know, they

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Speaker 7: played sixty percent man coverage in this game. They played

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Speaker 7: sixty percent coverage against Chicago. They blitzed eighteen times this game.

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Speaker 7: They blitzed seventeen times against Chicago. Like it's it was

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Speaker 4: That's true. That's scary because you're comparing Caleb Williams to

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Speaker 5: Three weeks that same thing against Caleb Williams probably wouldn't

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Speaker 5: be a wise choice. Like he's going to get better,

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Speaker 5: He's gonna you know, he's gonna start to understand that

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Speaker 5: play badly or you know, it's it's not because they

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Speaker 5: play badly. It's all coaching. It's like Tennessee, he's coaching

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Speaker 5: to lose. They didn't go for two. They they cost

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Speaker 5: him a chance. They didn't know what the wind was.

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Speaker 5: This guy's got to go. Then they win the next game. Right,

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Speaker 5: But everything is great, right, everything is great, they got

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Speaker 5: the future is all all bright. Then they have this

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Speaker 5: It's all because that's not fair. Might it be that

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Speaker 4: Chance to stay. They had the chance to win the

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Speaker 5: Like the whole Like I really got annoyed post game

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Speaker 4: That was a really unfair question.

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Speaker 5: You know, are you coaching scared?

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Speaker 4: I think he said, yeah, yes, I am Ben.

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Speaker 5: You know, And there's a better way to I understand

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Speaker 5: what his point is. I won't get bogged down in semantics,

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Speaker 5: I think he just meant, you know, do you need

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like you need to be more aggressive?

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Speaker 5: Would have been a much better way to ask the

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Speaker 5: same exact question. Yeah, Okay, can't you possibly look at

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Speaker 5: to make it the nine point game this time. You know,

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Speaker 5: This time there was twelve forty five left and it

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Speaker 5: hanging on right here. Yeah, let's just extend the game,

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Speaker 5: keep chipping away, get it to eight. Now. Obviously he

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, like you said, they

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Speaker 5: Time wasn't a fact. I think they needed to get

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Speaker 5: Like why are we just blindly assuming they would have

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Speaker 5: You know, they were clearly going to go for it

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Speaker 7: Looked like a direct snap.

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Speaker 5: Was going to be a direct snap, and Jalen Poll

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Speaker 5: everything is great. This team is playoff bound when they

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Speaker 5: next week, they lose and the guy's gotta go. People

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Speaker 7: They can win six in a row.

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Speaker 5: But I think about one of my shows on the

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Speaker 7: The only gripe that I have with the game in

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Speaker 7: But they go for two in London, they don't go

439
00:21:30,954 --> 00:21:33,273
Speaker 7: for two this time. They line up to go for

440
00:21:33,353 --> 00:21:34,994
Speaker 7: it on fourth down at the end of the game

441
00:21:35,073 --> 00:21:37,033
Speaker 7: down nine, but they didn't go for it on fourth

442
00:21:37,073 --> 00:21:39,313
Speaker 7: and two from the goal fourth and goal from the

443
00:21:39,313 --> 00:21:42,874
Speaker 7: two earlier. Like there's just it just seems and by

444
00:21:42,914 --> 00:21:46,153
Speaker 7: the way, he's not following the nerds either, like this.

445
00:21:46,474 --> 00:21:49,194
Speaker 7: The math is against him too on most of these,

446
00:21:49,273 --> 00:21:53,273
Speaker 7: So there's not It doesn't feel like there is a process.

447
00:21:53,353 --> 00:21:55,474
Speaker 4: No, I mean, if we're gonna have to be patient,

448
00:21:55,513 --> 00:21:58,913
Speaker 4: because yes, he's never been a head coach before, but

449
00:21:58,994 --> 00:22:02,273
Speaker 4: he's also never been a coordinator before, so like his

450
00:22:02,394 --> 00:22:06,234
Speaker 4: experience of making in game decisions, I don't know if

451
00:22:06,273 --> 00:22:07,234
Speaker 4: he's ever had to do that.

452
00:22:07,273 --> 00:22:09,194
Speaker 5: The two point conversion thing is odd to me. I

453
00:22:09,234 --> 00:22:10,873
Speaker 5: said it in the postgame. I wrote it in my

454
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:13,954
Speaker 5: notes that posted this morning. They haven't just said, you know,

455
00:22:14,513 --> 00:22:17,073
Speaker 5: I don't have to agree with your philosophy, but you

456
00:22:17,114 --> 00:22:18,034
Speaker 5: probably should have one.

457
00:22:18,114 --> 00:22:18,674
Speaker 4: You have one.

458
00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,033
Speaker 5: You know, if you believe in down nine this is

459
00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:24,513
Speaker 5: what we do, then that's probably what you should do.

460
00:22:25,914 --> 00:22:28,234
Speaker 5: Because they went to a great lance to explain to

461
00:22:28,313 --> 00:22:30,154
Speaker 5: us about understanding what you need.

462
00:22:30,353 --> 00:22:33,913
Speaker 4: But I do think no you know, having the feeling

463
00:22:33,914 --> 00:22:36,153
Speaker 4: of the flow of the game and the conditions and

464
00:22:36,874 --> 00:22:40,073
Speaker 4: takes into you have to take that into consideration. And

465
00:22:40,114 --> 00:22:42,153
Speaker 4: even then he doesn't have a lot of experience.

466
00:22:42,154 --> 00:22:44,474
Speaker 5: But I think the flow of this game should have

467
00:22:44,553 --> 00:22:46,914
Speaker 5: led to going for two. Now I would go I

468
00:22:46,954 --> 00:22:49,074
Speaker 5: would kick it down nine. I would kick it every

469
00:22:49,073 --> 00:22:52,034
Speaker 5: time to make it a one score game. But if

470
00:22:52,033 --> 00:22:55,194
Speaker 5: you believe in the whole knowing what you need thing,

471
00:22:56,714 --> 00:22:58,873
Speaker 5: he doesn't. You were moving the ball much better in

472
00:22:58,914 --> 00:23:00,793
Speaker 5: this game than you were in that Jacksonville game, and

473
00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:03,234
Speaker 5: there was more time left, so if you didn't get it,

474
00:23:03,313 --> 00:23:05,194
Speaker 5: you had more time to make up for the fact

475
00:23:05,234 --> 00:23:07,554
Speaker 5: that you were still down two scores with an offense

476
00:23:07,634 --> 00:23:12,313
Speaker 5: that was performing at a higher level. So that's like

477
00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:16,714
Speaker 5: the contract, the contradictory, you know, decision there.

478
00:23:17,033 --> 00:23:19,873
Speaker 4: Is I think curious last time I listened to Evan.

479
00:23:19,954 --> 00:23:21,794
Speaker 4: This time, I'm not going to listen to ev right,

480
00:23:21,994 --> 00:23:26,674
Speaker 4: not me, not you, the other Evan, you a fault.

481
00:23:26,754 --> 00:23:29,394
Speaker 7: Also kind of me, because that's the need.

482
00:23:30,434 --> 00:23:32,234
Speaker 6: I'm reminded a little bit of Dan Campbell though in

483
00:23:32,234 --> 00:23:34,593
Speaker 6: his first year, how he seems so gung ho and

484
00:23:34,674 --> 00:23:36,553
Speaker 6: you just knew what to expect and it was like,

485
00:23:36,634 --> 00:23:38,394
Speaker 6: take it or leave it. We're going for We're going

486
00:23:38,434 --> 00:23:39,994
Speaker 6: for it, We're going to be aggressive always.

487
00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:41,593
Speaker 4: Game here was just illustration.

488
00:23:41,714 --> 00:23:43,474
Speaker 7: That's exactly what I was going to bring up. Like

489
00:23:43,553 --> 00:23:47,434
Speaker 7: that game here in twenty two, everybody eviscerated Dan Campbell

490
00:23:47,474 --> 00:23:49,673
Speaker 7: because they went for fourth down like five times and

491
00:23:49,714 --> 00:23:52,633
Speaker 7: we're zero for five. Yeah, and and rightfully so, maybe

492
00:23:52,674 --> 00:23:54,833
Speaker 7: like it definitely put them in a tough spot. But

493
00:23:55,593 --> 00:23:58,513
Speaker 7: over the course of time, now the Lions are really

494
00:23:58,553 --> 00:24:01,913
Speaker 7: good in the go forward situations because they practiced it.

495
00:24:01,954 --> 00:24:05,033
Speaker 7: You know that they practice what they preach. And now

496
00:24:05,073 --> 00:24:07,354
Speaker 7: that they go for it all the time on fourth down,

497
00:24:07,754 --> 00:24:10,674
Speaker 7: they are one of the best fourth down conversion teams

498
00:24:11,073 --> 00:24:11,754
Speaker 7: in the NFL.

499
00:24:11,914 --> 00:24:13,674
Speaker 5: It also costs them a trip to the super Bowl,

500
00:24:13,714 --> 00:24:14,073
Speaker 5: it might have.

501
00:24:14,234 --> 00:24:16,593
Speaker 7: But it's just a philosophy, right, That's what I mean.

502
00:24:17,114 --> 00:24:19,113
Speaker 7: Have a philosophy one way or the other, that's all.

503
00:24:19,194 --> 00:24:19,394
Speaker 4: Yeah.

504
00:24:19,434 --> 00:24:21,754
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I used the Chargers an example too, of

505
00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:24,154
Speaker 6: a team that was very aggressive on fourth and never But.

506
00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:26,714
Speaker 5: This is why I don't have to agree with your philosophy,

507
00:24:26,793 --> 00:24:28,793
Speaker 5: but it's I think it's important to have one.

508
00:24:28,874 --> 00:24:32,314
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, and your philosophy becomes your identity. That's who

509
00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:33,953
Speaker 4: you become as a team, right.

510
00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:35,954
Speaker 6: I think that's what's missing too. I mean I think

511
00:24:35,994 --> 00:24:38,793
Speaker 6: that that's especially on defense, Like I don't see any

512
00:24:38,954 --> 00:24:43,153
Speaker 6: identity other than Christian Zalez is pretty good coverage man. Offensively,

513
00:24:43,154 --> 00:24:45,434
Speaker 6: they're starting to emerge, and that's Drake May I would

514
00:24:45,434 --> 00:24:48,833
Speaker 6: say almost entirely. He is their identity. And that's what's

515
00:24:48,914 --> 00:24:50,593
Speaker 6: another part of going back to what I said at

516
00:24:50,593 --> 00:24:53,314
Speaker 6: the top, where it's just hard week to week when

517
00:24:53,313 --> 00:24:55,274
Speaker 6: you don't know who you are or what you can

518
00:24:55,273 --> 00:24:57,034
Speaker 6: hang your hat on or what you know, what can

519
00:24:57,033 --> 00:24:58,754
Speaker 6: we just go back to this, we know we can

520
00:24:58,793 --> 00:25:00,634
Speaker 6: do this. Let's go back like they can't even pick

521
00:25:00,674 --> 00:25:01,673
Speaker 6: up a third and one right.

522
00:25:01,553 --> 00:25:05,033
Speaker 4: Now, I know. But to go back to what Paul said,

523
00:25:05,674 --> 00:25:09,474
Speaker 4: knowing you can do certain things, a lot of times

524
00:25:09,714 --> 00:25:12,354
Speaker 4: it's because you know you have good players that can

525
00:25:12,394 --> 00:25:12,633
Speaker 4: do it.

526
00:25:12,754 --> 00:25:12,914
Speaker 5: Yea.

527
00:25:13,234 --> 00:25:15,714
Speaker 4: And right now they're under there. They don't have the

528
00:25:15,754 --> 00:25:19,154
Speaker 4: horses and they can't consistently do those things.

529
00:25:19,154 --> 00:25:20,994
Speaker 5: But you can make the argument for what Evan and

530
00:25:21,434 --> 00:25:24,954
Speaker 5: Mike are talking about, like in Dan Campbell's first year,

531
00:25:24,994 --> 00:25:27,954
Speaker 5: they and have the horses to convert those and they didn't,

532
00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:30,513
Speaker 5: and that's why they went three thirteen and one, but

533
00:25:30,593 --> 00:25:32,714
Speaker 5: he was letting his team know, this is how we're

534
00:25:32,754 --> 00:25:35,873
Speaker 5: going to play, and we're gonna get good enough that

535
00:25:35,954 --> 00:25:39,073
Speaker 5: we're going to be start to convert these And I

536
00:25:39,114 --> 00:25:42,474
Speaker 5: do think this is why I'm not exonerating Mao like

537
00:25:42,553 --> 00:25:45,434
Speaker 5: I did the fourth and two. I think you can

538
00:25:45,474 --> 00:25:47,353
Speaker 5: make a solid argument either way. I don't think this

539
00:25:47,434 --> 00:25:50,553
Speaker 5: is one of those like that's a terrible decision, that's

540
00:25:50,754 --> 00:25:52,553
Speaker 5: you know, you should fire him no matter what he did.

541
00:25:53,114 --> 00:25:55,874
Speaker 5: But I right now would be to the point I'm

542
00:25:55,914 --> 00:25:58,994
Speaker 5: three and eight, I'd be going for those because I

543
00:25:58,994 --> 00:26:01,234
Speaker 5: would be wanting to try to establish the stuff that

544
00:26:01,313 --> 00:26:03,593
Speaker 5: Mike is talking about that Detroit did that Evan's talking

545
00:26:03,593 --> 00:26:05,954
Speaker 5: about with Dan Campbell, like this is how we're going

546
00:26:06,033 --> 00:26:08,754
Speaker 5: to play. You know, they keep saying we want to

547
00:26:08,793 --> 00:26:10,954
Speaker 5: be a tough team to play against. We want to

548
00:26:10,954 --> 00:26:12,474
Speaker 5: be a you know, a pain in the ass to

549
00:26:12,474 --> 00:26:15,513
Speaker 5: play against. That's a pain in the ass when you

550
00:26:15,553 --> 00:26:19,353
Speaker 5: go for fourth downs and you force that defense. You

551
00:26:19,394 --> 00:26:21,714
Speaker 5: know what, don't just be happy with three and out.

552
00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:24,234
Speaker 5: Don't run off the field fourth down. We did our job.

553
00:26:24,313 --> 00:26:26,754
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, you got to stop us another.

554
00:26:26,513 --> 00:26:29,873
Speaker 4: Play And it sends a message to your defense too, Okay,

555
00:26:29,874 --> 00:26:32,513
Speaker 4: we don't get hard to play on there too. Now

556
00:26:32,553 --> 00:26:33,313
Speaker 4: you do your job.

557
00:26:33,394 --> 00:26:35,794
Speaker 5: And I thought it was telling that, you know, there

558
00:26:35,874 --> 00:26:40,313
Speaker 5: was Rams coaches that were very surprised on that particular

559
00:26:40,394 --> 00:26:42,553
Speaker 5: one that they that they kicked the field goal. They

560
00:26:42,553 --> 00:26:45,273
Speaker 5: were expecting them to go for it. So and again

561
00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,553
Speaker 5: I'm not killing Mayo. I think what he by doing

562
00:26:48,553 --> 00:26:51,674
Speaker 5: it the way he did, he eventually gave his team

563
00:26:51,714 --> 00:26:54,593
Speaker 5: a chance to win at the end. It's undeniable because

564
00:26:54,593 --> 00:26:57,234
Speaker 5: if they if they had gone for it and gotten stopped, Yeah,

565
00:26:57,593 --> 00:26:59,434
Speaker 5: that's probably the end of the game. Right there is

566
00:26:59,474 --> 00:27:01,353
Speaker 5: twenty one to ten I think it was at the time,

567
00:27:01,674 --> 00:27:04,873
Speaker 5: and the Rams were red hot. Yeah, you know, so

568
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:07,754
Speaker 5: they make it twenty eight ten forget about it.

569
00:27:07,874 --> 00:27:12,913
Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah. I think as Mayo sees more things,

570
00:27:12,954 --> 00:27:16,313
Speaker 4: as he you know, is involved in more of this

571
00:27:16,434 --> 00:27:21,913
Speaker 4: situational football, he'll develop his own philosophy and his own identity.

572
00:27:22,754 --> 00:27:25,313
Speaker 4: But it's going to take time and you either be

573
00:27:25,353 --> 00:27:28,553
Speaker 4: patient or I think you could become one of those

574
00:27:28,593 --> 00:27:32,073
Speaker 4: teams where you're cycling through coaches and I hope they

575
00:27:32,073 --> 00:27:32,954
Speaker 4: don't do that. Now.

576
00:27:32,954 --> 00:27:34,714
Speaker 6: I wonder what his offseason is going to look like

577
00:27:34,754 --> 00:27:36,914
Speaker 6: and if he, you know, tries to commit to one

578
00:27:36,954 --> 00:27:38,954
Speaker 6: side or the other, maybe you know, like at looking

579
00:27:38,954 --> 00:27:41,313
Speaker 6: at this at this year as a whole, do I

580
00:27:41,434 --> 00:27:43,234
Speaker 6: you know, does like I think that's the bolding question.

581
00:27:43,273 --> 00:27:44,914
Speaker 6: Do you need to be more aggressive based online? Do

582
00:27:44,994 --> 00:27:47,833
Speaker 6: you want to you know, impart more confidence in your team?

583
00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:50,234
Speaker 6: But but just one thing that kind of sticks in

584
00:27:50,273 --> 00:27:52,553
Speaker 6: my in my craw is that, you know, fred you

585
00:27:52,593 --> 00:27:55,513
Speaker 6: said that they're not talented, and it's like, I want

586
00:27:55,553 --> 00:27:57,633
Speaker 6: Remandra Stevenson to be able to pick up a fricking

587
00:27:57,754 --> 00:27:59,513
Speaker 6: yard when you need it. I gotta have it yard.

588
00:27:59,513 --> 00:28:01,434
Speaker 6: If you're gonna give a running back in the middle

589
00:28:01,474 --> 00:28:04,154
Speaker 6: of his twenties an extension for three years, I want

590
00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:05,914
Speaker 6: to believe that that's a guy who I think you know,

591
00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:08,553
Speaker 6: David Montgomery, Jamior Gibbs. I'd feel pretty good fourth and

592
00:28:08,553 --> 00:28:09,393
Speaker 6: one them going for it.

593
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:13,313
Speaker 4: You watch the but you watch the game. You watch

594
00:28:13,353 --> 00:28:17,553
Speaker 4: the game, you watch those plays. Did he not pick

595
00:28:17,553 --> 00:28:21,354
Speaker 4: it up because of him or it's just no one

596
00:28:21,353 --> 00:28:22,474
Speaker 4: could have picked it up. I don't know.

597
00:28:22,513 --> 00:28:23,994
Speaker 6: I'm just well, I mean, he would have probably picked

598
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,194
Speaker 6: it up Week one, you know, that week when he

599
00:28:26,234 --> 00:28:28,553
Speaker 6: was bouncing off guys and making stuff something out of nothing,

600
00:28:28,593 --> 00:28:30,634
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I mean, look, you're right, there's

601
00:28:30,634 --> 00:28:32,714
Speaker 6: no question the offensive line, it's all connected. If he's

602
00:28:32,714 --> 00:28:34,954
Speaker 6: getting hit three yards in the backfield, it's hard to

603
00:28:34,994 --> 00:28:37,793
Speaker 6: have that kind of confidence. But at the same time,

604
00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:40,274
Speaker 6: here we are in week twelve and we can't get

605
00:28:40,314 --> 00:28:42,514
Speaker 6: a yard. I mean, that's the bottom line. You know,

606
00:28:42,674 --> 00:28:44,834
Speaker 6: we can feel great about Drake May, but if you're

607
00:28:44,834 --> 00:28:46,794
Speaker 6: gonna be a tough team, third and one that should

608
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:48,114
Speaker 6: be a money down for a tough team.

609
00:28:48,554 --> 00:28:53,673
Speaker 7: I haven't loved their play calls in those situations. It

610
00:28:53,754 --> 00:28:56,514
Speaker 7: feels very vanilla, like we're just gonna run Remandra into

611
00:28:56,554 --> 00:28:58,434
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage and hope he can get a yard.

612
00:28:59,314 --> 00:29:02,074
Speaker 7: I'll say it again. Why Drake May's legs are not

613
00:29:02,154 --> 00:29:06,514
Speaker 7: a factor in those situations is beyond me. Like, even

614
00:29:06,514 --> 00:29:08,873
Speaker 7: if he's just there to hold the backside of the

615
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,594
Speaker 7: defense for an extra beat to maybe create a cup

616
00:29:11,594 --> 00:29:13,633
Speaker 7: back lane, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

617
00:29:13,714 --> 00:29:17,314
Speaker 7: Why you have this extremely mobile quarterback and then you

618
00:29:17,314 --> 00:29:20,754
Speaker 7: get into third and one and you don't incorporate it

619
00:29:20,874 --> 00:29:22,114
Speaker 7: or make the defense respected.

620
00:29:22,234 --> 00:29:23,034
Speaker 5: That's gotta be coming.

621
00:29:23,074 --> 00:29:26,274
Speaker 4: It's got to be coming. Let's go back to like

622
00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:31,074
Speaker 4: establishing who you want to be, you know, maybe you know,

623
00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:34,394
Speaker 4: And again maybe I'm thinking too much for May Mayo

624
00:29:34,514 --> 00:29:36,954
Speaker 4: and Van Pelt, but maybe like, yeah, we could we

625
00:29:36,994 --> 00:29:39,514
Speaker 4: could have Drake may bail us out every time. But

626
00:29:39,594 --> 00:29:42,034
Speaker 4: we want to be a team that when we need

627
00:29:42,074 --> 00:29:45,794
Speaker 4: a yard, we can run Rimonde Steve, but.

628
00:29:45,714 --> 00:29:48,154
Speaker 7: He can into the line, can still run him though,

629
00:29:48,194 --> 00:29:49,994
Speaker 7: it's just like option.

630
00:29:52,114 --> 00:29:55,274
Speaker 5: What's wrong with doing it the way Evan said, like

631
00:29:55,354 --> 00:29:56,714
Speaker 5: the way Buffalo be Kansas City.

632
00:29:56,794 --> 00:29:58,874
Speaker 4: No, there's nothing wrong with I don't think that.

633
00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:02,994
Speaker 5: Was like but I don't think that that was like, well,

634
00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:04,913
Speaker 5: that's because they couldn't line up and run. Like No,

635
00:30:04,994 --> 00:30:07,594
Speaker 5: it's fourth and two and they said, we're going to

636
00:30:07,634 --> 00:30:09,673
Speaker 5: put the ball in the hands of our best player

637
00:30:09,874 --> 00:30:11,714
Speaker 5: and he's going to make a play because he's tougher

638
00:30:11,754 --> 00:30:13,434
Speaker 5: than them, and we're not going to kick a field

639
00:30:13,474 --> 00:30:15,554
Speaker 5: goal to make it five. We're going to get this

640
00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:17,314
Speaker 5: first down and we're going to close this game out

641
00:30:17,354 --> 00:30:20,393
Speaker 5: on offense. Drake made your best player on offense? No,

642
00:30:20,474 --> 00:30:23,074
Speaker 5: I know right now, So putting the ball in his hands,

643
00:30:23,394 --> 00:30:25,914
Speaker 5: I think that's coming. That's gonna Oh, they don't want

644
00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:28,114
Speaker 5: him to run as much right, And I think they're

645
00:30:28,234 --> 00:30:31,274
Speaker 5: right for not wanting that, but they're are. I mean,

646
00:30:31,434 --> 00:30:33,633
Speaker 5: what was it like three for ten now in the

647
00:30:33,674 --> 00:30:36,914
Speaker 5: last two games in the red zone. Yeah, I gotta

648
00:30:36,954 --> 00:30:38,754
Speaker 5: think his own reader two might help that.

649
00:30:38,994 --> 00:30:40,474
Speaker 4: And for a while they were pretty good in the

650
00:30:40,474 --> 00:30:41,114
Speaker 4: red zone.

651
00:30:40,954 --> 00:30:43,474
Speaker 5: Right, Well, Jerrod continues to tell us how they had

652
00:30:43,514 --> 00:30:45,673
Speaker 5: touchdowns on like eight of their previous nine trips.

653
00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:50,314
Speaker 6: Like, great, now we're in the doldrums. You gotta get

654
00:30:50,314 --> 00:30:50,674
Speaker 6: out of it.

655
00:30:50,874 --> 00:30:52,873
Speaker 7: I just what you said off the top of the

656
00:30:52,874 --> 00:30:57,314
Speaker 7: show about gassing up Drake may I. I would be

657
00:30:57,954 --> 00:31:01,074
Speaker 7: shocked if he doesn't get to the podium tomorrow and

658
00:31:01,194 --> 00:31:03,554
Speaker 7: talk about the interception more than he talks about the

659
00:31:03,554 --> 00:31:06,314
Speaker 7: good things, Like that's just the vibe that he's given

660
00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:10,434
Speaker 7: from the jump, like he yeah, I made some great plays,

661
00:31:10,434 --> 00:31:11,954
Speaker 7: but I also had the ball in my hands with

662
00:31:11,954 --> 00:31:13,354
Speaker 7: a chance to win the game and I threw it

663
00:31:13,394 --> 00:31:13,994
Speaker 7: to the other team.

664
00:31:14,114 --> 00:31:14,554
Speaker 4: Yeah.

665
00:31:14,594 --> 00:31:18,673
Speaker 7: And I just feel like he's a like he's win

666
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,674
Speaker 7: or lose right, Like where he could make he could

667
00:31:20,714 --> 00:31:22,873
Speaker 7: throw for four hundred yards in the loss, and I

668
00:31:22,874 --> 00:31:25,354
Speaker 7: don't think he's going to be satisfied with losing. So

669
00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:28,674
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily look at that I honestly look at

670
00:31:28,674 --> 00:31:31,153
Speaker 7: it in the other direction where I hope he doesn't

671
00:31:31,554 --> 00:31:34,673
Speaker 7: get too down on himself for the way that some

672
00:31:34,754 --> 00:31:37,433
Speaker 7: of these end of games have gone, because you know,

673
00:31:37,514 --> 00:31:41,433
Speaker 7: he played fantastic for fifty eight minutes on Sunday. His

674
00:31:41,594 --> 00:31:44,194
Speaker 7: last two plays of the game were his worst two plays.

675
00:31:44,314 --> 00:31:47,194
Speaker 5: In the sack isn't getting nearly No, the sack was

676
00:31:47,274 --> 00:31:47,874
Speaker 5: just as bad.

677
00:31:48,794 --> 00:31:51,154
Speaker 7: But he played. You know, I had him with fifteen

678
00:31:51,194 --> 00:31:54,074
Speaker 7: plus plays to three minus plays through the first fifty

679
00:31:54,074 --> 00:31:57,034
Speaker 7: eight minutes of the game. I mean just outstanding, Like

680
00:31:57,114 --> 00:32:00,874
Speaker 7: he was just incredible, and in structure like Paul's thing, right,

681
00:32:00,954 --> 00:32:03,834
Speaker 7: like not running around and making plays like that, like

682
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:07,074
Speaker 7: making plays from the pocket and making throws on time,

683
00:32:07,154 --> 00:32:12,633
Speaker 7: in rhythm against pressure. You that it was It was

684
00:32:12,674 --> 00:32:13,714
Speaker 7: a great It was fun.

685
00:32:13,914 --> 00:32:16,433
Speaker 5: You know what else? I thought he did better in

686
00:32:16,474 --> 00:32:19,153
Speaker 5: this game than I've seen him as just taking the

687
00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:21,634
Speaker 5: easy money every once in a while, just checking it down,

688
00:32:22,114 --> 00:32:24,394
Speaker 5: you know, tossing what I mean, no big yardage place.

689
00:32:24,434 --> 00:32:26,913
Speaker 5: But when Henry said, some of those guys, some of

690
00:32:26,914 --> 00:32:30,034
Speaker 5: the especially young guys, they just want to show you

691
00:32:30,394 --> 00:32:33,314
Speaker 5: that the arm every time, you know, and he has that.

692
00:32:33,434 --> 00:32:36,594
Speaker 5: He certainly made enough of those throws, but just the

693
00:32:36,634 --> 00:32:38,554
Speaker 5: willingness to throw it to Hunter Henry once in a

694
00:32:38,554 --> 00:32:41,754
Speaker 5: while even Stevenson, even though Stevenson didn't do much with him.

695
00:32:41,754 --> 00:32:44,594
Speaker 5: I think he had four catches for sixteen yards. Just

696
00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:48,153
Speaker 5: the willingness to take the checkdown at times showing another

697
00:32:48,194 --> 00:32:48,874
Speaker 5: step to me.

698
00:32:48,754 --> 00:32:52,314
Speaker 4: And the pressure was coming and he either stepped one

699
00:32:52,314 --> 00:32:54,474
Speaker 4: way or another didn't. I don't think he had one

700
00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,274
Speaker 4: ball bat it down. I think there might have been

701
00:32:56,354 --> 00:32:56,874
Speaker 4: one tip.

702
00:32:56,994 --> 00:32:59,393
Speaker 5: I think yeah, yeah, there was one till yeah, the

703
00:32:59,434 --> 00:32:59,914
Speaker 5: third down.

704
00:32:59,834 --> 00:33:02,514
Speaker 6: Throw to Pop Douglas. I watched that a few different

705
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:04,154
Speaker 6: times where he came across his.

706
00:33:04,074 --> 00:33:07,113
Speaker 5: Body safety blitz coming from one side, he jumps into

707
00:33:07,154 --> 00:33:09,794
Speaker 5: the hit on the other side, sort of adjusted his

708
00:33:09,914 --> 00:33:13,514
Speaker 5: arm angle and threw it this way right on right,

709
00:33:13,554 --> 00:33:16,154
Speaker 5: on the right, on the three right, and it allows

710
00:33:16,274 --> 00:33:18,634
Speaker 5: tomorrow Douglas turn it up twenty yards twenty six yards.

711
00:33:18,714 --> 00:33:20,634
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was a look that one.

712
00:33:20,474 --> 00:33:22,714
Speaker 7: Was crazy, like watching it from the end zone angle like,

713
00:33:23,114 --> 00:33:26,074
Speaker 7: because he's got the safety or the backer right there

714
00:33:26,114 --> 00:33:28,194
Speaker 7: that's dropping off the line of scrimmage and he's playing

715
00:33:28,234 --> 00:33:30,794
Speaker 7: a game with that linebacker trying to keep him from

716
00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:34,194
Speaker 7: falling underneath Douglas's route. So He's staring to his right

717
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:36,953
Speaker 7: and Douglas is crossing to his left, and he's like this,

718
00:33:37,114 --> 00:33:38,954
Speaker 7: and then at the last second he throws it to

719
00:33:38,994 --> 00:33:41,234
Speaker 7: his left right where and like to be able to

720
00:33:41,274 --> 00:33:45,114
Speaker 7: throw that from that platform on the money like that,

721
00:33:45,194 --> 00:33:46,954
Speaker 7: Like it's one thing to complete the pass, but to

722
00:33:46,994 --> 00:33:48,594
Speaker 7: throw it to him in stride so that he can

723
00:33:48,634 --> 00:33:50,554
Speaker 7: turn up field right, it's a special thrill.

724
00:33:50,674 --> 00:33:54,914
Speaker 4: And that's the other thing. The other thing that noticeably

725
00:33:55,514 --> 00:33:59,554
Speaker 4: I saw improvement was the accuracy, especially that first half.

726
00:33:59,714 --> 00:34:03,554
Speaker 4: Every ball was right where the receiver needed it to Beah,

727
00:34:03,634 --> 00:34:05,954
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just a shame that it didn't

728
00:34:05,994 --> 00:34:08,513
Speaker 4: end up in a w but he had a really

729
00:34:08,554 --> 00:34:08,913
Speaker 4: good game.

730
00:34:08,994 --> 00:34:11,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. Like I mean, I've watched Mac Jones,

731
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:13,994
Speaker 6: i mean as a rookie and go into his career,

732
00:34:14,034 --> 00:34:16,634
Speaker 6: and you know, it felt like he in the early

733
00:34:16,794 --> 00:34:18,393
Speaker 6: part of the you know, let's not get carried away,

734
00:34:18,394 --> 00:34:21,914
Speaker 6: but early but never felt like, wow, Max really improving,

735
00:34:21,954 --> 00:34:23,314
Speaker 6: Like it just kind of felt like he was what

736
00:34:23,354 --> 00:34:26,514
Speaker 6: he was. Like, I really feel you can tangibly see

737
00:34:26,714 --> 00:34:27,994
Speaker 6: how Drake May has improved.

738
00:34:27,994 --> 00:34:28,473
Speaker 4: I mean, his.

739
00:34:28,354 --> 00:34:31,314
Speaker 6: Footwork just how comfortable he looks in the pocket. I mean,

740
00:34:31,474 --> 00:34:33,634
Speaker 6: we watched these jto Sullivan things. I mean, I know

741
00:34:33,834 --> 00:34:36,634
Speaker 6: Evan does his own breakdown to where you really highlight

742
00:34:36,794 --> 00:34:38,274
Speaker 6: the footwork. That was one of the early things a

743
00:34:38,314 --> 00:34:39,834
Speaker 6: lot of the video they did with him, and just

744
00:34:40,314 --> 00:34:42,634
Speaker 6: some of that subtle stuff, like you can really see

745
00:34:42,953 --> 00:34:45,393
Speaker 6: the progress that this kid is making. And you know

746
00:34:45,433 --> 00:34:47,033
Speaker 6: that to me, like, we knew he had the arm,

747
00:34:47,034 --> 00:34:48,994
Speaker 6: and we knew he had the size, and the physical

748
00:34:48,994 --> 00:34:50,873
Speaker 6: talents were all there, but I just I think you've

749
00:34:50,913 --> 00:34:53,754
Speaker 6: really seen him improve. And that's what's just so encouraging

750
00:34:53,754 --> 00:34:56,274
Speaker 6: to me, because I don't remember feeling like, wow, Mac

751
00:34:56,393 --> 00:34:58,194
Speaker 6: is really making strides, like he was just kind of

752
00:34:58,234 --> 00:35:01,914
Speaker 6: there and that's Mac was who he was. But with Drake, however,

753
00:35:01,913 --> 00:35:04,113
Speaker 6: many games we've watched him for what three months now,

754
00:35:04,194 --> 00:35:06,993
Speaker 6: I mean, I it's it's noticeable. It's noticeable the way

755
00:35:07,034 --> 00:35:07,674
Speaker 6: that game when.

756
00:35:07,554 --> 00:35:10,034
Speaker 7: He was coming out of college, the game he played

757
00:35:10,074 --> 00:35:12,114
Speaker 7: on Sunday was the game that everybody told me he

758
00:35:12,154 --> 00:35:16,433
Speaker 7: couldn't play, which was just short and intermediate throws in

759
00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:19,913
Speaker 7: rhythm from the pocket, not the deep ball, not the

760
00:35:19,953 --> 00:35:23,794
Speaker 7: out of structure stuff, but just playing conventional offense that

761
00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:26,674
Speaker 7: he wouldn't be consistent and with his accuracy because of

762
00:35:26,714 --> 00:35:29,434
Speaker 7: his footwork and his mechanics and all this other stuff,

763
00:35:29,953 --> 00:35:31,994
Speaker 7: that he would lose control of the ball too often.

764
00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:34,913
Speaker 7: And on Sunday he that's how he played, like they

765
00:35:35,114 --> 00:35:37,474
Speaker 7: his average are yards was like five point four yards.

766
00:35:37,473 --> 00:35:39,473
Speaker 7: He had one throw over twenty yards in the air.

767
00:35:39,794 --> 00:35:42,074
Speaker 7: Like it just that was the offense. Like it was

768
00:35:42,154 --> 00:35:45,553
Speaker 7: conventional short and intermediate passing. Thought it was a great

769
00:35:45,554 --> 00:35:47,834
Speaker 7: game plan against this Rams defense. You know, it's a

770
00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:49,674
Speaker 7: great pass rush. You don't want him holding the ball

771
00:35:49,674 --> 00:35:49,953
Speaker 7: for him.

772
00:35:49,953 --> 00:35:52,434
Speaker 5: And they were good, Like it came in with a

773
00:35:52,473 --> 00:35:55,354
Speaker 5: lot of reputation for those young guys and they were good.

774
00:35:55,514 --> 00:35:56,834
Speaker 5: They flashed all of them.

775
00:35:57,034 --> 00:35:57,274
Speaker 7: Yeah.

776
00:35:57,393 --> 00:35:59,194
Speaker 6: Can I ask you guys a question, is there any

777
00:35:59,194 --> 00:36:00,953
Speaker 6: part of you that worries though? And I don't want

778
00:36:00,953 --> 00:36:02,634
Speaker 6: to get I don't want to get negative on May,

779
00:36:02,913 --> 00:36:05,674
Speaker 6: but gotta worry the May sprays, Like do you do

780
00:36:05,714 --> 00:36:07,513
Speaker 6: you worry that that's going to be a thing with him,

781
00:36:07,514 --> 00:36:09,873
Speaker 6: that he's going to have a couple throws every game

782
00:36:11,154 --> 00:36:13,033
Speaker 6: that aren't what we're looking for and might go to

783
00:36:13,074 --> 00:36:14,834
Speaker 6: the other team. And you know, as a part of

784
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:16,474
Speaker 6: the worries, he's not going to be able to clean

785
00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:18,554
Speaker 6: these things up as he continues in his career.

786
00:36:18,714 --> 00:36:19,514
Speaker 5: I don't have much.

787
00:36:20,074 --> 00:36:22,154
Speaker 7: Yeah he had to. I mean the pick was obviously

788
00:36:22,194 --> 00:36:24,433
Speaker 7: I guess what you're you're getting at. I mean, you know,

789
00:36:24,473 --> 00:36:26,194
Speaker 7: that was kind of the only one that I did.

790
00:36:26,194 --> 00:36:27,434
Speaker 7: I really thought the screen.

791
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:31,553
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you guys are right, Maybe he just overthrew it.

792
00:36:31,594 --> 00:36:35,153
Speaker 5: No matter where to Mario Douglas was. But I think

793
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:37,234
Speaker 5: there was a miscommunication. And I'm not telling you it

794
00:36:37,274 --> 00:36:40,513
Speaker 5: wasn't Drake's fault. It might have been maybe he thought

795
00:36:40,514 --> 00:36:42,394
Speaker 5: he was going to sit in another thing. But maybe

796
00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:45,153
Speaker 5: Douglas was right not to sit in that cover two hole.

797
00:36:45,433 --> 00:36:50,314
Speaker 5: I was doing a lot of cover.

798
00:36:48,674 --> 00:36:52,993
Speaker 6: Tell us about tomorrow, maybe we can get Actually, at the.

799
00:36:52,953 --> 00:36:56,433
Speaker 4: Very least, you should have one eye back at the

800
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:57,913
Speaker 4: quarterback to see what's going on.

801
00:36:57,994 --> 00:37:00,834
Speaker 5: Right, So it's no, it depends what he's supposed to.

802
00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:02,953
Speaker 5: It depends I don't know what he's supposed to do, Like,

803
00:37:03,114 --> 00:37:05,433
Speaker 5: is he like what Mike just said, Like, I don't

804
00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:08,194
Speaker 5: know what what his job is on that he might

805
00:37:08,234 --> 00:37:10,074
Speaker 5: have looked at it and said, I can clear like

806
00:37:10,114 --> 00:37:13,314
Speaker 5: they're sitting here now. I personally think that there's been

807
00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:15,473
Speaker 5: a lot of I heard some talk yesterday that could

808
00:37:15,473 --> 00:37:17,594
Speaker 5: have been a touchdown, like if he holds it a

809
00:37:17,594 --> 00:37:20,473
Speaker 5: split second longer and allowed him to clear where he

810
00:37:20,594 --> 00:37:22,674
Speaker 5: ended up, he ended up being open all the guys

811
00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:24,953
Speaker 5: that were back there. As Evan just said, that was

812
00:37:25,114 --> 00:37:28,594
Speaker 5: the reacting.

813
00:37:27,034 --> 00:37:29,113
Speaker 4: To the to the quarterback to the throw.

814
00:37:29,393 --> 00:37:31,634
Speaker 7: Yeah, so they're in a they're in a tricks coverage

815
00:37:31,674 --> 00:37:35,154
Speaker 7: or palm or a poach. Really where like the safety

816
00:37:35,634 --> 00:37:39,314
Speaker 7: that takes Henry, Henry's number three to the strong side

817
00:37:39,354 --> 00:37:41,834
Speaker 7: to the passing strain, So he's like locked into a

818
00:37:41,913 --> 00:37:44,913
Speaker 7: crosser from Henry. So he's going to take that safety

819
00:37:44,953 --> 00:37:47,873
Speaker 7: with him. And then the route design is that Pop

820
00:37:47,953 --> 00:37:50,354
Speaker 7: is going to fill in that space. So once that

821
00:37:50,473 --> 00:37:53,314
Speaker 7: safety attaches to Henry, Drake supposed to throw to Pop.

822
00:37:53,393 --> 00:37:55,834
Speaker 7: So that's where he was going with the read. I mean,

823
00:37:55,873 --> 00:37:57,554
Speaker 7: like in terms of like should he have sad or

824
00:37:57,554 --> 00:37:58,634
Speaker 7: should he have kept going?

825
00:37:59,114 --> 00:38:01,834
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know. I mean, certainly Drake I thought,

826
00:38:01,873 --> 00:38:05,113
Speaker 5: did the perfect thing the quarterback should do and say

827
00:38:05,314 --> 00:38:06,794
Speaker 5: it was me. Yeah, it's on me.

828
00:38:07,114 --> 00:38:09,393
Speaker 7: I just thought the throw was high anyways.

829
00:38:09,114 --> 00:38:10,913
Speaker 5: Like it may have been. That's why I said Mike

830
00:38:10,994 --> 00:38:12,714
Speaker 5: might be right that might have been a spray.

831
00:38:12,554 --> 00:38:15,913
Speaker 7: And h Demandra Jacobs. The one hurry that I had

832
00:38:15,994 --> 00:38:18,593
Speaker 7: him allowing one on one was on that play, and

833
00:38:18,634 --> 00:38:20,953
Speaker 7: I think that I have contributed maybe a little bit.

834
00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:23,714
Speaker 7: He didn't you know, it wasn't able to really step

835
00:38:23,754 --> 00:38:27,393
Speaker 7: into the throw because there was pressure. But he you know,

836
00:38:27,714 --> 00:38:30,194
Speaker 7: looking at it from the end zone angle, if it's

837
00:38:30,354 --> 00:38:33,554
Speaker 7: if it's Hunter Henry who's six foot five, then maybe

838
00:38:33,554 --> 00:38:35,673
Speaker 7: you can make a case that that Pop Douglas would

839
00:38:35,674 --> 00:38:37,714
Speaker 7: have been able to catch that. But I think with

840
00:38:37,873 --> 00:38:40,473
Speaker 7: Pop it, you know, being what he is, I just

841
00:38:40,514 --> 00:38:42,033
Speaker 7: don't see him being able to catch it.

842
00:38:42,234 --> 00:38:45,393
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seemed something was the timing was off there

843
00:38:45,433 --> 00:38:51,474
Speaker 4: because as Pop left, I mean the ball was way

844
00:38:51,514 --> 00:38:54,433
Speaker 4: over you know, like the safety who caught it was

845
00:38:54,473 --> 00:38:56,674
Speaker 4: about six seven yards behind Pop.

846
00:38:57,154 --> 00:38:59,154
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why Mike might be right, might have just

847
00:38:59,234 --> 00:39:02,673
Speaker 5: overshot everything. I will say live when the ball left

848
00:39:02,714 --> 00:39:06,274
Speaker 5: his hands, because you could see Douglas kind of fush.

849
00:39:06,514 --> 00:39:08,634
Speaker 5: I was like, oh they got a shot for a

850
00:39:08,674 --> 00:39:09,433
Speaker 5: chunk play here.

851
00:39:09,634 --> 00:39:09,873
Speaker 4: Yeah.

852
00:39:09,913 --> 00:39:11,914
Speaker 5: And then you know, obviously you saw.

853
00:39:11,994 --> 00:39:16,594
Speaker 4: The way the way May was leading receivers throughout the game.

854
00:39:17,314 --> 00:39:19,794
Speaker 4: It seems weird that all of a sudden, like he's

855
00:39:19,834 --> 00:39:21,674
Speaker 4: throwing behind a guy, so there.

856
00:39:21,554 --> 00:39:23,913
Speaker 5: Was something thrown behind him. He thought he was going

857
00:39:23,994 --> 00:39:26,913
Speaker 5: to be here at The question is was Douglas right

858
00:39:26,953 --> 00:39:29,834
Speaker 5: to keep going or was May wrong?

859
00:39:29,873 --> 00:39:31,594
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I mean, Like if the play was

860
00:39:31,594 --> 00:39:33,634
Speaker 4: for him that I was going to stop, you would

861
00:39:34,114 --> 00:39:36,714
Speaker 4: like he didn't miss, Like literally the ball ended up

862
00:39:36,754 --> 00:39:38,674
Speaker 4: fifteen yards away from Tomorrio Douglas.

863
00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:41,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't underthrow him by that much, right, do

864
00:39:41,393 --> 00:39:42,993
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? He thought he was going

865
00:39:43,074 --> 00:39:45,274
Speaker 5: to be here. You can make an argument that he

866
00:39:45,314 --> 00:39:48,114
Speaker 5: overthrew it regardless, like Evans point, there's no way Douglas

867
00:39:48,114 --> 00:39:51,473
Speaker 5: is catching right because he's not big enough. I would

868
00:39:51,473 --> 00:39:55,074
Speaker 5: probably agree with that that maybe it wasn't a great throw,

869
00:39:55,154 --> 00:39:57,794
Speaker 5: but somebody didn't read read.

870
00:39:57,594 --> 00:40:02,754
Speaker 4: It right, ye speaking of smaller guys, No, I didn't.

871
00:40:03,354 --> 00:40:06,114
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not gonna guess. I don't know who it

872
00:40:06,234 --> 00:40:09,114
Speaker 7: was like who it was, But I felt like I

873
00:40:09,194 --> 00:40:11,354
Speaker 7: kind of knocked Drake for the throw, Like I just

874
00:40:11,634 --> 00:40:13,633
Speaker 7: I didn't think it was catchable for a five foot

875
00:40:13,674 --> 00:40:16,393
Speaker 7: eight receiver, Like if you have T Higgins in a

876
00:40:16,473 --> 00:40:18,393
Speaker 7: year and he's six ' four and he's coming over

877
00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:21,114
Speaker 7: the middle, like maybe, uh, you know, he could have

878
00:40:21,154 --> 00:40:23,953
Speaker 7: elevated and made that catch. But but now we're with

879
00:40:24,154 --> 00:40:24,873
Speaker 7: pop No.

880
00:40:26,314 --> 00:40:29,034
Speaker 4: One guy I want to call out who he's starting

881
00:40:29,034 --> 00:40:32,433
Speaker 4: to grow on me is your guy, Marcus Jones. And

882
00:40:32,514 --> 00:40:35,714
Speaker 4: not just for his receiving, I mean his returning growing,

883
00:40:37,234 --> 00:40:39,673
Speaker 4: Like the more the more and more I see him

884
00:40:39,714 --> 00:40:42,354
Speaker 4: putting his nose in and run support like a small guy.

885
00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:45,234
Speaker 4: But he is not afraid to get dirty. Yeah uh

886
00:40:45,274 --> 00:40:48,113
Speaker 4: and make tackles up near the line. So I got

887
00:40:48,114 --> 00:40:49,754
Speaker 4: to give him a lot of credit for that. So

888
00:40:50,034 --> 00:40:55,073
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that I'm hoping that his coverage skills, you know,

889
00:40:55,314 --> 00:41:00,074
Speaker 4: continue to improve. But he's a he's a good player

890
00:41:00,074 --> 00:41:01,754
Speaker 4: for the Pacers. Yeah, it's just.

891
00:41:01,794 --> 00:41:05,274
Speaker 6: Unfortunately he's little. You know, That's that's just always going

892
00:41:05,354 --> 00:41:07,234
Speaker 6: to be something that the other team is is probably

893
00:41:07,234 --> 00:41:10,073
Speaker 6: gonna look the target he's you know, just that's something

894
00:41:10,114 --> 00:41:11,513
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to deal with if you play him

895
00:41:11,514 --> 00:41:12,913
Speaker 6: on defense and this, well, you're gonna have to.

896
00:41:12,873 --> 00:41:14,154
Speaker 4: Figure out his role, you know.

897
00:41:14,194 --> 00:41:18,674
Speaker 6: When I I he's not a boundary corners. With the

898
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:21,674
Speaker 6: boundary he can stick. But yeah, yeah, I mean I

899
00:41:21,714 --> 00:41:23,354
Speaker 6: love seeing him on offense a little bit. I Mean,

900
00:41:23,354 --> 00:41:25,953
Speaker 6: it was good to see that I like that too,

901
00:41:25,994 --> 00:41:29,114
Speaker 6: you know, continuing to just try to produce explosive plays

902
00:41:29,314 --> 00:41:31,714
Speaker 6: and put your explosive players in position with the ball.

903
00:41:31,794 --> 00:41:34,194
Speaker 7: I thought the second snap was even better because they

904
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,714
Speaker 7: built off the first snap. I don't think we've seen

905
00:41:36,873 --> 00:41:39,873
Speaker 7: enough of that where they called something early on in

906
00:41:39,913 --> 00:41:42,834
Speaker 7: the game and then they run a similar action later

907
00:41:42,913 --> 00:41:44,794
Speaker 7: in the game, but it's built off of it into

908
00:41:44,834 --> 00:41:48,113
Speaker 7: something different. So to see them give him the end

909
00:41:48,194 --> 00:41:51,073
Speaker 7: around now puts it in the defense's head. Okay, they

910
00:41:51,114 --> 00:41:53,473
Speaker 7: will hand it to him, so now we fake it

911
00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:55,514
Speaker 7: and then we throw the screen going in the other direction.

912
00:41:55,594 --> 00:41:58,834
Speaker 7: I thought the screen should have had more yards, honestly, I.

913
00:41:58,794 --> 00:42:01,034
Speaker 5: Thought, and why do you think it didn't?

914
00:42:01,473 --> 00:42:02,474
Speaker 7: The running back.

915
00:42:04,154 --> 00:42:08,314
Speaker 5: Thank you? Yeah, so I got some not from Fred.

916
00:42:08,634 --> 00:42:10,953
Speaker 5: I mean, in full defense of Fred here, you weren't

917
00:42:10,953 --> 00:42:13,754
Speaker 5: the one that's Matt was really sort of adamant. Like,

918
00:42:13,794 --> 00:42:15,754
Speaker 5: I just thought there was some place to be made

919
00:42:15,794 --> 00:42:17,953
Speaker 5: with the running back in space in that game. I

920
00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:20,674
Speaker 5: thought a couple of those checkdowns should have been more

921
00:42:20,714 --> 00:42:24,194
Speaker 5: than four yard games. Again, I don't know why this

922
00:42:24,274 --> 00:42:25,993
Speaker 5: seems to be the only run back in the league

923
00:42:26,034 --> 00:42:30,794
Speaker 5: that when you recover your own fumble, it's Okay, that's five. Now,

924
00:42:30,913 --> 00:42:33,354
Speaker 5: five fumbles for a running back in one season is

925
00:42:33,393 --> 00:42:36,513
Speaker 5: a lot of fumbles, right, Yeah, so I had him

926
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:38,433
Speaker 5: on the bad list and got a lot of pushback.

927
00:42:38,554 --> 00:42:42,354
Speaker 5: That's it's And in that play that you were talking

928
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,433
Speaker 5: about is one that really stuck out in my mind.

929
00:42:44,473 --> 00:42:46,113
Speaker 5: I don't know how that guy was able to make

930
00:42:46,154 --> 00:42:46,674
Speaker 5: that tackle.

931
00:42:47,034 --> 00:42:49,873
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been brewing with him, I think a little bit.

932
00:42:50,034 --> 00:42:52,473
Speaker 7: And I thought some of this week. I thought it

933
00:42:52,514 --> 00:42:54,873
Speaker 7: was a little bit better against Chicago. I did not

934
00:42:54,913 --> 00:42:57,194
Speaker 7: think he saw the field well running the ball between

935
00:42:57,234 --> 00:42:58,754
Speaker 7: the tackles. This week, I thought it was a little

936
00:42:58,754 --> 00:43:01,513
Speaker 7: bit better. But he doesn't make anybody miss. You know

937
00:43:01,554 --> 00:43:04,593
Speaker 7: that whatever the attrition of the season, whatever it is,

938
00:43:04,994 --> 00:43:07,394
Speaker 7: that might be part of it. Yeah, you know, he doesn't.

939
00:43:07,554 --> 00:43:10,873
Speaker 7: He doesn't break tackles anymore. He's in space or he's

940
00:43:10,913 --> 00:43:13,993
Speaker 7: got a defensive back to bead or whatever, and he does.

941
00:43:14,074 --> 00:43:17,314
Speaker 4: You think that the early fumbling has limited him, has

942
00:43:17,433 --> 00:43:20,994
Speaker 4: changed his style enough where he's not as explosives.

943
00:43:21,154 --> 00:43:23,913
Speaker 7: It's a good point, like maybe he feels though, you know,

944
00:43:23,953 --> 00:43:26,553
Speaker 7: he's got to protect the balls, so you can't be

945
00:43:26,873 --> 00:43:29,393
Speaker 7: as creative with the football in his hands as he

946
00:43:29,473 --> 00:43:31,873
Speaker 7: wants to, but you know, to deuce his point when

947
00:43:31,873 --> 00:43:34,674
Speaker 7: you're paying a running back like they're paying him, you know,

948
00:43:34,714 --> 00:43:36,993
Speaker 7: when you're one on one with the safety, like I

949
00:43:36,994 --> 00:43:39,513
Speaker 7: would like to see you break that tackle, you know,

950
00:43:39,754 --> 00:43:41,194
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's what you're paying.

951
00:43:41,354 --> 00:43:44,153
Speaker 5: E've been talking about the sequencing the plays a little

952
00:43:44,194 --> 00:43:47,314
Speaker 5: bit well, you know, with a much different type of plays,

953
00:43:47,314 --> 00:43:49,794
Speaker 5: but kind of similar to the way they set up

954
00:43:49,794 --> 00:43:53,554
Speaker 5: the Jalen Polk touchdown in Chicago. You know, they showed

955
00:43:53,554 --> 00:43:56,274
Speaker 5: the formation with Polk on the right side, they ran

956
00:43:56,314 --> 00:43:58,873
Speaker 5: the ball out of that formation, showed that Polk would

957
00:43:58,873 --> 00:44:01,874
Speaker 5: come down and make the block. They give the same

958
00:44:01,913 --> 00:44:04,394
Speaker 5: look to the left side, and this time they sneak

959
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,553
Speaker 5: him out for an easy touchdown, right. You know, like

960
00:44:07,074 --> 00:44:10,114
Speaker 5: I think that's I think vam Pelt has done a

961
00:44:10,114 --> 00:44:12,513
Speaker 5: better job of sort of. You know, it's never gonna

962
00:44:12,514 --> 00:44:14,674
Speaker 5: be perfect, and no one's ever gonna be I was

963
00:44:14,714 --> 00:44:17,513
Speaker 5: never happy with Josh McDaniels either, you know, like, no

964
00:44:17,514 --> 00:44:20,513
Speaker 5: one's ever gonna just say wow, every play call was

965
00:44:20,554 --> 00:44:22,593
Speaker 5: exactly what I would have done. No one's ever gonna

966
00:44:22,634 --> 00:44:22,913
Speaker 5: say that.

967
00:44:23,433 --> 00:44:25,473
Speaker 4: Yeah, I lest they all work.

968
00:44:26,634 --> 00:44:29,274
Speaker 7: I know, you know it's gonna come to the defensive

969
00:44:29,354 --> 00:44:32,834
Speaker 7: van Pelt a little bit. I think any now, look,

970
00:44:32,834 --> 00:44:35,034
Speaker 7: if the offense falls apart over the last six games,

971
00:44:35,034 --> 00:44:39,394
Speaker 7: I'll change my mind. But any calls for his job

972
00:44:39,873 --> 00:44:42,274
Speaker 7: or for him to be replaced going into next season,

973
00:44:42,314 --> 00:44:44,513
Speaker 7: I think is crazy. I think he's done a really

974
00:44:44,594 --> 00:44:47,433
Speaker 7: nice job. Like they have no talent on that side

975
00:44:47,473 --> 00:44:49,993
Speaker 7: of the ball, besides Drake, like they have, they have

976
00:44:50,034 --> 00:44:52,714
Speaker 7: no line, they have no receivers. They're running back is

977
00:44:53,433 --> 00:44:57,393
Speaker 7: average right now. I would say Henry. They have Henry,

978
00:44:57,634 --> 00:45:00,913
Speaker 7: they have Pop Douglas, whose usage is really starting to

979
00:45:00,953 --> 00:45:04,154
Speaker 7: be very good. I think, you know, slants, crossers, you know,

980
00:45:04,234 --> 00:45:06,754
Speaker 7: Gadget plays like they're getting him involved in the ways

981
00:45:06,794 --> 00:45:10,473
Speaker 7: they should. And Drake's playing great, and so what just

982
00:45:10,514 --> 00:45:13,393
Speaker 7: because he's not you know, the sexy higher he's not

983
00:45:13,514 --> 00:45:16,234
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson or something like this, You're you're gonna change

984
00:45:16,234 --> 00:45:19,634
Speaker 7: offensive coordinators on Drake May going into year two like that?

985
00:45:19,913 --> 00:45:22,674
Speaker 7: I think is just crazy. Like that, that's a terrible

986
00:45:22,674 --> 00:45:23,193
Speaker 7: thing to do.

987
00:45:23,114 --> 00:45:26,073
Speaker 9: For especially if Drake has really come to but with him, well,

988
00:45:26,154 --> 00:45:28,674
Speaker 9: all you have to do is watch this week's Patriots

989
00:45:28,754 --> 00:45:33,234
Speaker 9: Unfiltered TV show and you'll hear my take on Alex

990
00:45:33,314 --> 00:45:35,314
Speaker 9: van Pelt to let me know what you for.

991
00:45:35,754 --> 00:45:37,914
Speaker 4: It's right there next to you in writing.

992
00:45:38,314 --> 00:45:39,354
Speaker 7: Oh, you wrote it out.

993
00:45:39,473 --> 00:45:40,554
Speaker 5: I'll check that out.

994
00:45:40,594 --> 00:45:43,033
Speaker 4: The script out everyone, I'll check out. Producer needs to

995
00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:43,634
Speaker 4: see the script.

996
00:45:43,714 --> 00:45:47,073
Speaker 5: When when Fred's food is here and he eats that, I.

997
00:45:47,034 --> 00:45:49,393
Speaker 7: Will you just hear so much of that, Like if

998
00:45:49,433 --> 00:45:52,434
Speaker 7: Brian Dable gets fired by the Giants, the Patriots should

999
00:45:52,674 --> 00:45:55,393
Speaker 7: hire him as offensive coordinators, Like, okay, let's just throw

1000
00:45:55,433 --> 00:45:57,474
Speaker 7: out the playbook or replace the entire system.

1001
00:45:57,554 --> 00:45:59,714
Speaker 4: Then you become one of those two. Yeah, that's a

1002
00:45:59,794 --> 00:46:05,754
Speaker 4: great I'm keep Alex. Let's let's start it right now.

1003
00:46:06,514 --> 00:46:07,913
Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of work to be done,

1004
00:46:07,913 --> 00:46:09,754
Speaker 6: but I feel pretty good at this moment. Like I'm

1005
00:46:09,754 --> 00:46:12,474
Speaker 6: not sure I can't quite like get my my temperature

1006
00:46:12,473 --> 00:46:14,794
Speaker 6: test because the one hand, I'm like frustrated certainly with

1007
00:46:14,834 --> 00:46:16,354
Speaker 6: the defensive side of the ball. But when you have

1008
00:46:16,794 --> 00:46:19,274
Speaker 6: you really legitimately feel like you have the quarterback, Like

1009
00:46:19,274 --> 00:46:22,394
Speaker 6: even when Drake when excuse me, when Mac was playing, well,

1010
00:46:22,873 --> 00:46:24,594
Speaker 6: you were still kind of like, yeah, but is it

1011
00:46:24,594 --> 00:46:27,714
Speaker 6: ever going to be enough? And with Drake it feels

1012
00:46:27,714 --> 00:46:29,674
Speaker 6: like it can be good enough and they just have

1013
00:46:29,754 --> 00:46:31,873
Speaker 6: to build around him. They've got they've got a lot.

1014
00:46:31,674 --> 00:46:33,274
Speaker 4: Of work to do, but you need to do that.

1015
00:46:33,433 --> 00:46:35,274
Speaker 5: I'm not sure Mac ever had a game as good

1016
00:46:35,314 --> 00:46:42,513
Speaker 5: as that one. Yeah, the Cleveland one is one that

1017
00:46:42,554 --> 00:46:44,314
Speaker 5: stands out. Mike and I talk about it a lot.

1018
00:46:44,354 --> 00:46:46,234
Speaker 5: That Rode to Born trow to Henry.

1019
00:46:46,913 --> 00:46:49,274
Speaker 4: The game against the Ravens, he had a decent game.

1020
00:46:50,114 --> 00:46:53,354
Speaker 7: Three turnovers, remember that. Ye, No had some really good

1021
00:46:53,354 --> 00:46:53,993
Speaker 7: throws in that game.

1022
00:46:54,034 --> 00:46:54,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he did.

1023
00:46:54,913 --> 00:47:00,594
Speaker 5: But yeah, he was a mad cried Yeah, and it

1024
00:47:00,714 --> 00:47:01,953
Speaker 5: his tenure to be honest.

1025
00:47:01,674 --> 00:47:05,873
Speaker 4: With Yeah, what about the win against Miami? Here? Was

1026
00:47:05,913 --> 00:47:06,513
Speaker 4: that a good game?

1027
00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,954
Speaker 5: Not only not a good game? Never happened?

1028
00:47:11,194 --> 00:47:11,314
Speaker 4: Oh?

1029
00:47:11,433 --> 00:47:14,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he ever beat Miami, well, certainly

1030
00:47:14,554 --> 00:47:16,673
Speaker 5: not with Tua did not play?

1031
00:47:16,794 --> 00:47:18,994
Speaker 7: Did they beat He beat the Skylar Thompson Dolphins?

1032
00:47:19,074 --> 00:47:19,194
Speaker 6: Right?

1033
00:47:19,314 --> 00:47:19,834
Speaker 7: Was that still?

1034
00:47:19,913 --> 00:47:22,073
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought that I had every couple.

1035
00:47:22,834 --> 00:47:24,114
Speaker 6: There were a couple of backup wins.

1036
00:47:24,154 --> 00:47:26,754
Speaker 4: But all right, let's get to the TEA hotline eight

1037
00:47:26,873 --> 00:47:32,554
Speaker 4: five five paths five hundred. We'll start with Christian in Virginia.

1038
00:47:32,634 --> 00:47:33,434
Speaker 4: What's up, Christian?

1039
00:47:35,114 --> 00:47:36,914
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, that was gone good.

1040
00:47:39,274 --> 00:47:42,554
Speaker 11: I agree. I was on Fretz boat going into the game.

1041
00:47:42,594 --> 00:47:45,714
Speaker 11: I thought this might have been the game, but you know,

1042
00:47:45,794 --> 00:47:49,674
Speaker 11: I can't say I'm too upset with the outcome. You know,

1043
00:47:50,274 --> 00:47:52,554
Speaker 11: I think our pick is still going to be pretty high,

1044
00:47:52,594 --> 00:47:55,033
Speaker 11: and I think we saw a lot of promise out

1045
00:47:55,154 --> 00:47:57,993
Speaker 11: Drake May. It was funny you guys started talking about

1046
00:47:58,393 --> 00:48:00,434
Speaker 11: running backs because that's what I was calling in about.

1047
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:04,714
Speaker 11: I think it's a sneaky need for the team, and

1048
00:48:05,114 --> 00:48:10,354
Speaker 11: looking at some of the free agents and also the draft,

1049
00:48:10,433 --> 00:48:12,513
Speaker 11: I don't know if we'd really want to use one

1050
00:48:12,554 --> 00:48:15,113
Speaker 11: of our draft picks on a running back this year.

1051
00:48:16,314 --> 00:48:20,033
Speaker 11: There are some older people bouncing around the league right

1052
00:48:20,034 --> 00:48:23,714
Speaker 11: now that I'd be interested in if we could get

1053
00:48:23,754 --> 00:48:31,274
Speaker 11: them at the right Guys like James Connor and Naji Harris,

1054
00:48:31,354 --> 00:48:34,113
Speaker 11: although I know Naji Harris is looking for money there.

1055
00:48:35,274 --> 00:48:37,993
Speaker 11: I think another name to look out for is Davante

1056
00:48:38,034 --> 00:48:41,994
Speaker 11: Williams from the Broncos. He hasn't shown the most promised

1057
00:48:42,114 --> 00:48:49,274
Speaker 11: but seems like the situation there in Denver is a

1058
00:48:49,314 --> 00:48:51,754
Speaker 11: little shaky. With Peyton at.

1059
00:48:51,634 --> 00:48:58,154
Speaker 5: Coach's Toll, he's well lost. He doesn't look like a

1060
00:48:58,154 --> 00:49:00,714
Speaker 5: guy who's ever responded to the town a cl He's

1061
00:49:00,714 --> 00:49:03,513
Speaker 5: not been the same guy to me. Well, yes, but

1062
00:49:03,674 --> 00:49:06,073
Speaker 5: I would take a flyer on him because I think,

1063
00:49:06,154 --> 00:49:08,114
Speaker 5: you know, it's kind of like the old Bill theory

1064
00:49:08,194 --> 00:49:10,834
Speaker 5: of this talent there, and it's a you know, as

1065
00:49:10,873 --> 00:49:12,634
Speaker 5: a pressed asset, take a shot.

1066
00:49:13,314 --> 00:49:15,794
Speaker 6: I would I disagree. I'd look at the draft. I'd

1067
00:49:15,834 --> 00:49:17,834
Speaker 6: look at just day three. I do think it's in need,

1068
00:49:17,873 --> 00:49:20,433
Speaker 6: but I'm kind of over veteran running backs. Like you

1069
00:49:20,514 --> 00:49:22,913
Speaker 6: signed Antonio Gibson for a couple of years. He's Gottenmander

1070
00:49:22,994 --> 00:49:25,513
Speaker 6: in a contract, get some young legs, get some else.

1071
00:49:25,594 --> 00:49:29,393
Speaker 5: It depends entirely on who it is. Like I would

1072
00:49:29,433 --> 00:49:31,913
Speaker 5: have obviously been in your camp, but like, look what

1073
00:49:31,994 --> 00:49:35,794
Speaker 5: Sequon Barkley's done for Philadelphia. You know, Josh Jacobs, you

1074
00:49:35,794 --> 00:49:38,354
Speaker 5: know a lot of those guys changed changed teams last year.

1075
00:49:38,433 --> 00:49:41,554
Speaker 5: Joe Mixon was dominant again last night for Houston. A

1076
00:49:41,594 --> 00:49:44,234
Speaker 5: lot of those running backs changed teams last year, and

1077
00:49:44,274 --> 00:49:46,674
Speaker 5: almost all of them have had an impact. Jacobs has

1078
00:49:46,674 --> 00:49:50,274
Speaker 5: been good with Green Bay, Barkley's been great with the Eagles.

1079
00:49:50,714 --> 00:49:54,033
Speaker 5: Mixing has been really good with with Houston. We saw firsthand,

1080
00:49:54,154 --> 00:49:56,714
Speaker 5: you know, Mixing had a great game here in Foxborough.

1081
00:49:56,834 --> 00:50:00,954
Speaker 5: So I don't know, like James Connor kind of intrigued

1082
00:50:00,994 --> 00:50:03,154
Speaker 5: I'm kind of out on Najie Harris. I don't think

1083
00:50:03,154 --> 00:50:03,794
Speaker 5: he's that guy.

1084
00:50:03,994 --> 00:50:07,074
Speaker 6: Yeah, But like I was about to push back on

1085
00:50:07,114 --> 00:50:08,594
Speaker 6: you a little bit, Paul, But I also feel like

1086
00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:10,674
Speaker 6: they've got like a bunch of cap space this year,

1087
00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:13,473
Speaker 6: and I feel like they have to spend money. They

1088
00:50:13,674 --> 00:50:14,354
Speaker 6: have to spend money.

1089
00:50:14,393 --> 00:50:17,473
Speaker 5: If I can just get to a point and you

1090
00:50:17,554 --> 00:50:20,913
Speaker 5: guys can argue which players and Evan will tell me

1091
00:50:20,994 --> 00:50:23,993
Speaker 5: the analytics of this guy and his EPA and all

1092
00:50:24,034 --> 00:50:26,834
Speaker 5: that stuff, I don't care who it is. Can we

1093
00:50:26,994 --> 00:50:31,073
Speaker 5: just stop saying fill in the blank makes a lot

1094
00:50:31,114 --> 00:50:33,714
Speaker 5: of sense if we can get him at the right price.

1095
00:50:33,754 --> 00:50:35,513
Speaker 5: Can we just stop saying that?

1096
00:50:35,634 --> 00:50:37,634
Speaker 4: Well, no one's saying that anymore, are they? He just

1097
00:50:37,634 --> 00:50:39,513
Speaker 4: said it at the right price.

1098
00:50:40,354 --> 00:50:42,393
Speaker 5: Like Naji Harris is looking for money. So I don't

1099
00:50:42,393 --> 00:50:46,314
Speaker 5: know if Yeah, and I'm not picking on Christian because no,

1100
00:50:46,393 --> 00:50:48,234
Speaker 5: But if Christian said is what everybody says.

1101
00:50:48,234 --> 00:50:50,234
Speaker 4: If you like Naji Harris, go get him.

1102
00:50:50,154 --> 00:50:52,234
Speaker 5: Right and you have the money and the cap is

1103
00:50:52,234 --> 00:50:55,873
Speaker 5: not restrictive anymore. Like just especially with Drake May as

1104
00:50:55,873 --> 00:50:56,714
Speaker 5: a rookie.

1105
00:50:56,433 --> 00:50:58,274
Speaker 6: It kind of goes to the conversation we have where

1106
00:50:58,473 --> 00:51:00,874
Speaker 6: we talk about receiver. Everyone wants to talk about receiver,

1107
00:51:00,994 --> 00:51:02,834
Speaker 6: and there's T. Higgins is out there, and he's the

1108
00:51:02,834 --> 00:51:04,953
Speaker 6: only guy who's twenty five, twenty six, and.

1109
00:51:04,994 --> 00:51:07,674
Speaker 5: That's the highly productive, not a great crop of a

1110
00:51:07,674 --> 00:51:08,234
Speaker 5: great crop.

1111
00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:11,234
Speaker 6: And so you've got to spend money. So you might

1112
00:51:11,274 --> 00:51:13,234
Speaker 6: not be able to spend it on Tee Higgins because T.

1113
00:51:13,354 --> 00:51:15,114
Speaker 6: Higgins is the you know, what do they call it?

1114
00:51:15,154 --> 00:51:17,473
Speaker 6: The bell of the ball of this cycle unless you know,

1115
00:51:17,554 --> 00:51:19,674
Speaker 6: unless you want to look older. So maybe maybe there

1116
00:51:19,714 --> 00:51:21,714
Speaker 6: is a situation where even though you did just sign

1117
00:51:21,754 --> 00:51:24,194
Speaker 6: Remondra to a deal and you've got Antonio Gibson who

1118
00:51:24,194 --> 00:51:26,754
Speaker 6: hasn't really done much, seems like he's you know, falling

1119
00:51:26,754 --> 00:51:28,314
Speaker 6: by the wayside a little bit. Like maybe it does

1120
00:51:28,393 --> 00:51:30,913
Speaker 6: make sense just because look, we don't it's not a

1121
00:51:30,953 --> 00:51:33,354
Speaker 6: huge need, but we love this player, we got the money,

1122
00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:35,234
Speaker 6: we know we can get them. Let's just go make

1123
00:51:35,274 --> 00:51:37,234
Speaker 6: our team better and figure it out once we get it.

1124
00:51:37,234 --> 00:51:39,314
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're looking for a wide receiver one

1125
00:51:39,354 --> 00:51:41,794
Speaker 4: in the free agency, you might have to extract him

1126
00:51:42,114 --> 00:51:42,913
Speaker 4: from a team.

1127
00:51:42,834 --> 00:51:46,993
Speaker 12: Right Like, look at a trade last year Higgins guy,

1128
00:51:47,034 --> 00:51:51,914
Speaker 12: but I wos but he's really the only high level

1129
00:51:51,953 --> 00:51:53,194
Speaker 12: guy available.

1130
00:51:52,674 --> 00:51:54,074
Speaker 6: Which means he's like under thirty.

1131
00:51:54,274 --> 00:51:56,473
Speaker 5: It's and I'm not telling you that I would shy away,

1132
00:51:56,473 --> 00:51:58,473
Speaker 5: but it's going to be a bidding war. Yeah, and

1133
00:51:58,514 --> 00:51:59,674
Speaker 5: I don't mind winning it.

1134
00:51:59,794 --> 00:52:00,314
Speaker 7: Let's win it.

1135
00:52:00,393 --> 00:52:02,794
Speaker 5: But it's hard to win it. And he's gonna have choices,

1136
00:52:02,873 --> 00:52:03,513
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

1137
00:52:03,554 --> 00:52:06,554
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you feel about like an Amari Cooper

1138
00:52:06,754 --> 00:52:09,674
Speaker 6: or Stefan Diggs or you know, like those kinds of

1139
00:52:10,034 --> 00:52:11,553
Speaker 6: those are that's the other guys who are good. But

1140
00:52:12,034 --> 00:52:14,114
Speaker 6: you know, you think those guys in their early thirties,

1141
00:52:14,114 --> 00:52:15,073
Speaker 6: you're looking at a team ork.

1142
00:52:15,194 --> 00:52:16,953
Speaker 5: I just I take a shot at Cooper, but my

1143
00:52:16,994 --> 00:52:20,234
Speaker 5: guess is Baltimore, Baltimore Buffalo is going to retain him.

1144
00:52:20,554 --> 00:52:22,634
Speaker 7: I would just look at when with the running backs.

1145
00:52:23,514 --> 00:52:25,754
Speaker 7: I would never advocate for signing a vetter running back.

1146
00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:28,314
Speaker 7: I think it's a waste of money. But you got

1147
00:52:28,314 --> 00:52:31,393
Speaker 7: to improve the offensive line if you block better in

1148
00:52:31,433 --> 00:52:34,314
Speaker 7: the run game, and Remandra is perfectly capable of picking

1149
00:52:34,393 --> 00:52:36,393
Speaker 7: up the yards. I just think a lot of what's

1150
00:52:36,393 --> 00:52:38,754
Speaker 7: happened with him is that he's getting hit in the

1151
00:52:38,754 --> 00:52:42,594
Speaker 7: backfield a ton, and that has an attrition on a

1152
00:52:42,634 --> 00:52:44,634
Speaker 7: running back over the course of a season that it

1153
00:52:44,674 --> 00:52:47,354
Speaker 7: wears him down and now he's not the guy he

1154
00:52:47,473 --> 00:52:49,674
Speaker 7: was in the first month of the season anymore. So

1155
00:52:49,754 --> 00:52:52,314
Speaker 7: if you have less runs where he's got three guys

1156
00:52:52,354 --> 00:52:54,873
Speaker 7: hanging on him, then things will get better. So I

1157
00:52:55,034 --> 00:52:56,433
Speaker 7: focus on the offensive line.

1158
00:52:56,514 --> 00:52:58,393
Speaker 5: You know, I'm with you with the running back. I'm

1159
00:52:58,393 --> 00:53:00,834
Speaker 5: a running back gist much like I'm an offensive lineist.

1160
00:53:01,074 --> 00:53:01,673
Speaker 4: It don't matter.

1161
00:53:02,194 --> 00:53:07,154
Speaker 5: But I do think that Christian's point the caller, they're

1162
00:53:07,234 --> 00:53:10,234
Speaker 5: lacking at that position, and a guy like Javonte Williams,

1163
00:53:11,594 --> 00:53:13,393
Speaker 5: You're not gonna it's not gonna break the bank. So

1164
00:53:13,754 --> 00:53:16,953
Speaker 5: like it's not like it's gonna cast you anything. I

1165
00:53:17,074 --> 00:53:19,514
Speaker 5: kind of agree with Evan. I'll go through the roof

1166
00:53:19,634 --> 00:53:22,073
Speaker 5: for t Higgins, you know, I'll go through the roof

1167
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:24,634
Speaker 5: for an elite edge rusher. I don't want to go

1168
00:53:24,674 --> 00:53:26,913
Speaker 5: through the roof running back because I just don't think

1169
00:53:26,913 --> 00:53:28,754
Speaker 5: it's that important, because I don't want to spend the

1170
00:53:28,754 --> 00:53:31,354
Speaker 5: money with the money. But I do think you could

1171
00:53:31,393 --> 00:53:35,314
Speaker 5: get a guy that's better than what you have to

1172
00:53:35,433 --> 00:53:39,714
Speaker 5: add to Stevenson, and I think that, you know, Gibson

1173
00:53:39,754 --> 00:53:42,274
Speaker 5: had some flashes early in the year. It's been two months, yeah,

1174
00:53:42,354 --> 00:53:43,194
Speaker 5: really since he's.

1175
00:53:44,074 --> 00:53:46,513
Speaker 7: The coaching staff doesn't seem thrilled with whatever's going on

1176
00:53:46,594 --> 00:53:48,194
Speaker 7: with him, because I think he runs the ball well

1177
00:53:48,194 --> 00:53:49,553
Speaker 7: when they give him the opportunities.

1178
00:53:49,634 --> 00:53:50,754
Speaker 5: But I would agree with you about that.

1179
00:53:51,154 --> 00:53:53,234
Speaker 6: Seems like he's just starting to get more opportunities.

1180
00:53:53,393 --> 00:53:56,394
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you look at him, you know, just thinking

1181
00:53:56,393 --> 00:53:59,354
Speaker 7: about this when I was writing after further review, like

1182
00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:01,834
Speaker 7: you on defense, now all of a sudden have some

1183
00:54:01,873 --> 00:54:04,033
Speaker 7: significant needs on that side of the ball. So when

1184
00:54:04,034 --> 00:54:07,354
Speaker 7: you start to think about spreading out resources, like you

1185
00:54:07,393 --> 00:54:09,073
Speaker 7: know you need the left tackle, you know you need

1186
00:54:09,114 --> 00:54:12,074
Speaker 7: the wide receiver, but you also probably need another corner.

1187
00:54:12,114 --> 00:54:14,194
Speaker 5: What's the corner market? Like, I haven't looked at that.

1188
00:54:14,393 --> 00:54:17,394
Speaker 7: So the corner market, I haven't looked at the names,

1189
00:54:17,473 --> 00:54:21,234
Speaker 7: but corners that they like the kind of guy they need,

1190
00:54:21,473 --> 00:54:25,433
Speaker 7: which is just like a reliable veteran outside corner because

1191
00:54:25,433 --> 00:54:27,393
Speaker 7: they don't need the number one like they have that.

1192
00:54:27,754 --> 00:54:30,274
Speaker 7: Those guys move a lot, so they might be able

1193
00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:33,754
Speaker 7: to find you know, I'm thinking of like Buffalo gets

1194
00:54:33,794 --> 00:54:36,314
Speaker 7: like 'restaul Douglas and he comes in and really kind

1195
00:54:36,314 --> 00:54:38,274
Speaker 7: of does a nice job for them, like they don't

1196
00:54:38,354 --> 00:54:41,594
Speaker 7: need you know, prime Durell reeves like they have this,

1197
00:54:41,794 --> 00:54:42,193
Speaker 7: but they.

1198
00:54:42,114 --> 00:54:43,674
Speaker 5: Could get it, but you could get you know, like

1199
00:54:43,674 --> 00:54:46,634
Speaker 5: a lugerious sneed last year. You know, like it doesn't

1200
00:54:46,674 --> 00:54:49,193
Speaker 5: have to be like just completely a number two guy

1201
00:54:49,714 --> 00:54:51,674
Speaker 5: because you do have the money to go.

1202
00:54:51,794 --> 00:54:51,913
Speaker 7: Now.

1203
00:54:52,274 --> 00:54:54,993
Speaker 5: I got Gonzales still in his rookie contract too. It

1204
00:54:55,074 --> 00:54:57,713
Speaker 5: works at all positions, right right, you know, so, Okay,

1205
00:54:57,794 --> 00:54:59,913
Speaker 5: he's Gonzalez is my number one. I can bring in

1206
00:54:59,994 --> 00:55:03,433
Speaker 5: this guy who's someone else's number one as the number two,

1207
00:55:03,514 --> 00:55:05,713
Speaker 5: and I can pay him more because I have another

1208
00:55:05,834 --> 00:55:07,513
Speaker 5: year or two before I have to pay big money

1209
00:55:07,514 --> 00:55:08,234
Speaker 5: to Gonzales.

1210
00:55:08,554 --> 00:55:11,433
Speaker 6: Yeah, it just goes back to my earlier point where

1211
00:55:11,953 --> 00:55:13,554
Speaker 6: ideally you'd love to say they've got a bunch of

1212
00:55:13,594 --> 00:55:15,513
Speaker 6: casts base, they're gonna go get a starting left tackle,

1213
00:55:15,514 --> 00:55:17,554
Speaker 6: they're gonna get an elite wide receiver. Like those players

1214
00:55:17,674 --> 00:55:19,834
Speaker 6: might just not exist. So maybe it does result in

1215
00:55:19,953 --> 00:55:22,234
Speaker 6: like you said, like, let's just go get a second

1216
00:55:22,314 --> 00:55:24,513
Speaker 6: number one cornerback because he's out there and we can

1217
00:55:24,554 --> 00:55:27,114
Speaker 6: get him, and we'd rather spend on somebody that we

1218
00:55:27,194 --> 00:55:29,393
Speaker 6: know is gonna be good than trying to we miss

1219
00:55:29,433 --> 00:55:31,234
Speaker 6: out on t Higgins. Let's go, you know, down the

1220
00:55:31,274 --> 00:55:33,314
Speaker 6: list to the next guys. Like those kind of things.

1221
00:55:33,354 --> 00:55:35,433
Speaker 6: Maybe it's surprising, maybe they all of a sudden at

1222
00:55:35,473 --> 00:55:37,234
Speaker 6: a position we're not really expecting.

1223
00:55:37,594 --> 00:55:40,274
Speaker 7: Agree, That's where I'm sort of trending with the veteran

1224
00:55:40,354 --> 00:55:43,714
Speaker 7: stuff because I think you can buy defense, Like I

1225
00:55:43,794 --> 00:55:48,074
Speaker 7: think guys on defense move you know, edge rushers, corners,

1226
00:55:48,994 --> 00:55:51,873
Speaker 7: inside linebacker. I think is another one where you know

1227
00:55:51,953 --> 00:55:52,514
Speaker 7: you lose.

1228
00:55:52,433 --> 00:55:54,873
Speaker 5: Like Patrick Queen. Yeah, going from Baltimore to.

1229
00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:57,993
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh, you lose by and now you have you can't

1230
00:55:58,114 --> 00:56:00,674
Speaker 7: stop the run, like I don't think that's a coincidence, right,

1231
00:56:00,754 --> 00:56:03,194
Speaker 7: like he and so now you need some depth behind

1232
00:56:03,274 --> 00:56:05,713
Speaker 7: him because if that happens again, then you're just gonna

1233
00:56:05,714 --> 00:56:08,794
Speaker 7: be in the same exact spot. So like outside corner.

1234
00:56:09,114 --> 00:56:12,034
Speaker 7: Uh I don't think Jonathan Jones love them great patriot.

1235
00:56:12,473 --> 00:56:15,913
Speaker 7: I think it's probably time back then. So so maybe

1236
00:56:15,953 --> 00:56:19,834
Speaker 7: he moves to safety. Uh So Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones

1237
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,594
Speaker 7: is a slot. He's a nickel corner.

1238
00:56:21,594 --> 00:56:24,593
Speaker 5: You gotta pay absolutely point it out, not a boundary corner.

1239
00:56:24,634 --> 00:56:28,594
Speaker 7: No, So you gotta have that outside corner opposite Gonzales.

1240
00:56:28,674 --> 00:56:31,513
Speaker 7: You probably need another edge rusher that can get after

1241
00:56:31,594 --> 00:56:34,433
Speaker 7: the past. So you probably need an inside linebacker, like,

1242
00:56:34,594 --> 00:56:37,274
Speaker 7: so to doce his point, like, just go pay those guys.

1243
00:56:37,314 --> 00:56:41,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan's and Evanston what's up Jordan?

1244
00:56:43,834 --> 00:56:47,953
Speaker 13: Hey guys, I just wanted to start it off by

1245
00:56:48,034 --> 00:56:52,154
Speaker 13: saying that I love your guys' analysis. It's definitely a

1246
00:56:52,234 --> 00:56:55,794
Speaker 13: form of therapy for me. So yeah, I appreciate everything

1247
00:56:55,834 --> 00:56:57,354
Speaker 13: you guys do and everything you put out there.

1248
00:56:57,594 --> 00:56:57,873
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1249
00:56:58,074 --> 00:57:02,954
Speaker 13: Thank I guess I have three points. So my thoughts

1250
00:57:02,994 --> 00:57:06,274
Speaker 13: about the Rams game are kind of like bittersweet. I

1251
00:57:06,433 --> 00:57:09,354
Speaker 13: love how Drake played. I love that I felt like

1252
00:57:09,433 --> 00:57:12,674
Speaker 13: he was calm in the pocket. It wasn't like defaulting

1253
00:57:12,754 --> 00:57:17,754
Speaker 13: to scrambling. Who's playing in system, And as much as

1254
00:57:17,794 --> 00:57:20,193
Speaker 13: I love watching him scramble, I just don't think that's

1255
00:57:20,914 --> 00:57:24,754
Speaker 13: a sustainable way to live for him. So it's really

1256
00:57:24,794 --> 00:57:28,274
Speaker 13: great to see his growth in that way, especially from

1257
00:57:28,394 --> 00:57:32,674
Speaker 13: last week and the last few weeks actually, and hopefully

1258
00:57:32,714 --> 00:57:35,114
Speaker 13: he just keeps trending in the right direction. And I

1259
00:57:35,194 --> 00:57:36,113
Speaker 13: absolutely love the kid.

1260
00:57:36,674 --> 00:57:37,194
Speaker 11: He's awesome.

1261
00:57:37,274 --> 00:57:41,034
Speaker 13: It was a great draft pick, unlike Jalen Polk, but

1262
00:57:41,234 --> 00:57:45,914
Speaker 13: that's a whole other discussion. He's only noticeable for his

1263
00:57:46,034 --> 00:57:52,314
Speaker 13: screw up, so that's just and then I guess my

1264
00:57:52,394 --> 00:57:56,594
Speaker 13: second point would be, even though the office looked functional

1265
00:57:56,634 --> 00:57:59,394
Speaker 13: first first time in a long time, it's just like

1266
00:57:59,514 --> 00:58:01,714
Speaker 13: crazy to think back to last year where our defense

1267
00:58:01,874 --> 00:58:04,754
Speaker 13: was holding us into games and our offense couldn't do

1268
00:58:05,074 --> 00:58:07,714
Speaker 13: anything at all. Like if they could do anything, we

1269
00:58:07,794 --> 00:58:09,674
Speaker 13: could have won a few games. And now it's like

1270
00:58:09,874 --> 00:58:10,994
Speaker 13: completely the opposite.

1271
00:58:11,914 --> 00:58:14,074
Speaker 11: Well maybe that's too dramatic, but you.

1272
00:58:14,114 --> 00:58:16,794
Speaker 13: Know, like our offense is finally doing something and our

1273
00:58:16,914 --> 00:58:22,034
Speaker 13: defense is not helping out at all. Really frustrating that

1274
00:58:22,154 --> 00:58:25,554
Speaker 13: we are everybody's get right game. And like the Rams

1275
00:58:25,594 --> 00:58:28,113
Speaker 13: didn't throw a touchdown last game and they for four

1276
00:58:28,154 --> 00:58:31,554
Speaker 13: of this game. It's like it's just frustrating to see.

1277
00:58:33,474 --> 00:58:36,794
Speaker 13: And I guess my last point is I felt like

1278
00:58:36,874 --> 00:58:40,394
Speaker 13: the Rams could do anything that they wanted offensively. Outside

1279
00:58:40,434 --> 00:58:42,954
Speaker 13: the first quarter. They seemed to figure out what the

1280
00:58:42,994 --> 00:58:47,154
Speaker 13: Patriots were doing defensively, like so quickly, and when it

1281
00:58:47,234 --> 00:58:51,514
Speaker 13: came time to like make that decision to punt the

1282
00:58:51,674 --> 00:58:54,354
Speaker 13: Rams did in the fourth, I felt like they were

1283
00:58:54,474 --> 00:58:58,394
Speaker 13: just thinking that the pass wouldn't be able to march

1284
00:58:58,474 --> 00:59:01,034
Speaker 13: down the field and even if they did, they'd be

1285
00:59:01,114 --> 00:59:04,314
Speaker 13: able to, you know, just get get.

1286
00:59:04,354 --> 00:59:05,474
Speaker 10: More points after that.

1287
00:59:06,514 --> 00:59:08,514
Speaker 13: So I feel like they could have killed us in

1288
00:59:08,594 --> 00:59:11,834
Speaker 13: that in that like at that point they could have

1289
00:59:11,994 --> 00:59:15,274
Speaker 13: like stepped on our throats, but they didn't. They kept

1290
00:59:15,354 --> 00:59:18,234
Speaker 13: us in the game, which, don't get me wrong, that

1291
00:59:18,354 --> 00:59:21,274
Speaker 13: was very entertaining as a Pats fan, Like, great, we

1292
00:59:21,354 --> 00:59:23,394
Speaker 13: have a chance to win, but I feel like they.

1293
00:59:23,354 --> 00:59:23,994
Speaker 8: Didn't have to do that.

1294
00:59:24,074 --> 00:59:27,874
Speaker 13: They could have killed us right there. But I just

1295
00:59:27,914 --> 00:59:31,274
Speaker 13: felt like the Rams were in control basically the whole game.

1296
00:59:32,674 --> 00:59:36,034
Speaker 13: And I just heard Girod say something along the lines

1297
00:59:36,074 --> 00:59:38,434
Speaker 13: of like they felt like the Patriots were in control

1298
00:59:38,474 --> 00:59:42,073
Speaker 13: the whole game, which I just don't agree with. Yeah,

1299
00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:44,354
Speaker 13: I guess I'll get your guys' thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thanks Jordan. Good call. He did say that,

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00:59:48,634 --> 00:59:50,834
Speaker 4: and we were all raising our eyebrows when he did.

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Speaker 4: But then he followed up by on defense not so

1303
00:59:53,834 --> 00:59:57,834
Speaker 4: much so I think again he talked so fast. I

1304
00:59:57,914 --> 01:00:00,274
Speaker 4: don't think he said it right, but I think I

1305
01:00:00,354 --> 01:00:02,914
Speaker 4: think what he was saying on offense, we felt like

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01:00:03,034 --> 01:00:03,914
Speaker 4: we controlled again in.

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Speaker 5: The first quarter, I thought the Patriots were in control. Yeah,

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01:00:07,154 --> 01:00:11,874
Speaker 5: but once you know, and even like the Rams' first

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01:00:11,954 --> 01:00:14,994
Speaker 5: two possessions featured like twenty plus yard plays, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, they tried to run the ball twice in

1311
01:00:17,354 --> 01:00:18,994
Speaker 6: a row, two run stops, third down off the.

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Speaker 5: Field, so you're getting like one, you know, one play,

1313
01:00:22,274 --> 01:00:23,954
Speaker 5: and they were able to get off the field when

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01:00:23,994 --> 01:00:26,554
Speaker 5: they were kind of on the heel. I think every

1315
01:00:26,634 --> 01:00:29,754
Speaker 5: drive the Rams had went into Patriots territory except for one.

1316
01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:32,434
Speaker 5: I think there was one three and out in the

1317
01:00:32,474 --> 01:00:37,114
Speaker 5: whole game that they didn't get into Patriots territory. The

1318
01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:40,034
Speaker 5: last three quarters, the Rams completely had control of the game.

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Speaker 5: I would agree with Jordan on that, and I do agree.

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01:00:46,074 --> 01:00:49,034
Speaker 5: Also they could have kicked a field goal there, but that's,

1321
01:00:49,394 --> 01:00:52,514
Speaker 5: you know, that's a shaky proposition. The kicker hasn't been great.

1322
01:00:52,514 --> 01:00:55,034
Speaker 5: He's a rookie, he's been a little bit hot and cold.

1323
01:00:55,074 --> 01:00:58,234
Speaker 5: He had missed a twenty whatever yard are shortest missed

1324
01:00:58,274 --> 01:01:01,954
Speaker 5: field goal in the NFL all year, So he said,

1325
01:01:02,154 --> 01:01:05,394
Speaker 5: why not make them go eighty to ninety yards instead

1326
01:01:05,434 --> 01:01:09,634
Speaker 5: of you know, sixty, And I think she's right. I

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01:01:09,754 --> 01:01:11,794
Speaker 5: think Sean McVay might have been thinking, even if the

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01:01:11,874 --> 01:01:14,514
Speaker 5: disaster happens, all all need is a field goal to

1329
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Speaker 5: win it. And I've been moving the ball all day.

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Speaker 4: I know when the other team's scoring quickly, time of

1331
01:01:19,594 --> 01:01:22,074
Speaker 4: possession really gets thrown out the window. But when's the

1332
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Speaker 4: last time the Patriots had the ball forty minutes and lost.

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Speaker 6: One of those stats?

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Speaker 5: This was like thirty seven. But yeah, it is very

1335
01:01:31,634 --> 01:01:35,074
Speaker 5: deceiving because there was an eleven snap period that the

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01:01:35,234 --> 01:01:39,474
Speaker 5: Rams scored four touchdowns. Yeah, like right, you can only

1337
01:01:39,514 --> 01:01:42,314
Speaker 5: score a touchdown, can't. You can't possess the ball any

1338
01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:44,514
Speaker 5: longer once you get to the end zone, right, you know.

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Speaker 6: I feel called it eleven minutes of hell yeah, and it.

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Speaker 5: Was totally right.

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Speaker 17: Only, Stacy, you know kind of what I said last night. Look,

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Speaker 17: it's always disappointing to lose a game, especially here at home.

1374
01:03:33,074 --> 01:03:35,714
Speaker 17: I thought we did a lot of good things. I

1375
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Speaker 17: would also say, you know, we lack execution in some

1376
01:03:39,874 --> 01:03:42,154
Speaker 17: of the critical times in the game that we really

1377
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Speaker 17: need to convert. And that's what a good football team is.

1378
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Speaker 17: And let the guys went out there and played with energy,

1379
01:03:47,114 --> 01:03:51,434
Speaker 17: They played hard, they played tough. I thought, offensively, you know,

1380
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Speaker 17: I did a pretty good job executing the game plan,

1381
01:03:53,754 --> 01:03:55,914
Speaker 17: you know, and then special teams wise, I would say,

1382
01:03:56,874 --> 01:03:58,593
Speaker 17: you know, there were things that we left out there

1383
01:03:58,674 --> 01:04:02,394
Speaker 17: on the field. And then defensively, obviously the receivers were

1384
01:04:02,434 --> 01:04:05,714
Speaker 17: a huge issue for us, and you know, you never

1385
01:04:05,754 --> 01:04:07,354
Speaker 17: want to give up big plays. You know that that

1386
01:04:07,714 --> 01:04:11,034
Speaker 17: played a cup definitely hurt us as far as momentum

1387
01:04:11,074 --> 01:04:13,514
Speaker 17: and things like that in the game. But look, got

1388
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Speaker 17: to go back to the drawing board. We have enough

1389
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Speaker 17: talent in that room, in the locker room to win

1390
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Speaker 17: football games. And I stand by that. And I have

1391
01:04:20,954 --> 01:04:22,674
Speaker 17: to be better because you have to be better than players.

1392
01:04:22,754 --> 01:04:24,914
Speaker 17: Got to be better. But we have enough talent in there,

1393
01:04:24,954 --> 01:04:27,274
Speaker 17: and looking forward to these guys changing the page and

1394
01:04:27,314 --> 01:04:28,914
Speaker 17: continue to get better as we move forward.

1395
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Speaker 18: Well opened up with questions. Well started like race, followed

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Speaker 18: by Chris.

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Speaker 3: I'm girod.

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Speaker 19: You mentioned the cup touchdown, and I want it's always

1399
01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:42,794
Speaker 19: easier to ask questions when you know the result of

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01:04:42,834 --> 01:04:46,074
Speaker 19: the play at that point in the game. It's second

1401
01:04:46,114 --> 01:04:49,514
Speaker 19: and nine, looked like you guys sent seven rushers, and

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01:04:49,754 --> 01:04:51,593
Speaker 19: I guess I thought I wanted to ask you, how

1403
01:04:51,674 --> 01:04:54,794
Speaker 19: comfortable are you with that level of aggressiveness in the

1404
01:04:54,874 --> 01:04:56,114
Speaker 19: sense of, hey.

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01:04:56,034 --> 01:04:58,514
Speaker 18: They made they made the play right, you still got

1406
01:04:58,634 --> 01:05:00,154
Speaker 18: to make it. But at the same time, you know,

1407
01:05:02,754 --> 01:05:03,914
Speaker 18: the risk reward is.

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Speaker 3: What I'm asking you. Hit it on the head, the

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01:05:05,754 --> 01:05:07,794
Speaker 3: risk reward, and you know, we felt like that was

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01:05:07,834 --> 01:05:09,074
Speaker 3: a good time to call that blitz.

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Speaker 17: We've called it, you know, a couple of times in

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01:05:11,114 --> 01:05:13,234
Speaker 17: the game, and sometimes it was a run play and

1413
01:05:13,274 --> 01:05:16,113
Speaker 17: it gave us some movement up front, you know when

1414
01:05:16,154 --> 01:05:19,074
Speaker 17: that happened. Yeah, on that big play, it was just

1415
01:05:19,394 --> 01:05:21,354
Speaker 17: h we didn't get there in time and it was

1416
01:05:21,554 --> 01:05:22,674
Speaker 17: poor coverage on the outside.

1417
01:05:23,874 --> 01:05:26,434
Speaker 19: And then I'm following up and you're comment about just

1418
01:05:26,514 --> 01:05:29,514
Speaker 19: the critical situation sometimes coming through with the plays the

1419
01:05:29,594 --> 01:05:32,394
Speaker 19: red zone offense. I think you even made the point

1420
01:05:32,714 --> 01:05:35,474
Speaker 19: you were an eight of nine in red zone offense

1421
01:05:36,354 --> 01:05:39,834
Speaker 19: prior to these last two games. Sure it's tailed off

1422
01:05:39,874 --> 01:05:43,874
Speaker 19: a little bit as you've looked at those those situations.

1423
01:05:43,994 --> 01:05:46,754
Speaker 19: What what is the common thread you're seeing there that

1424
01:05:47,274 --> 01:05:49,434
Speaker 19: has led to the decline there.

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Speaker 3: I would just say overall, probably just a lack of execution.

1426
01:05:53,994 --> 01:05:55,794
Speaker 17: Even yesterday. You know, you look at it. You know

1427
01:05:55,834 --> 01:05:58,914
Speaker 17: we're in a short yarded situation and didn't get a penalty.

1428
01:05:58,954 --> 01:06:00,714
Speaker 17: You have to move back or attackle for a loss,

1429
01:06:00,754 --> 01:06:03,354
Speaker 17: and then you know, things kind of change. But we

1430
01:06:03,514 --> 01:06:04,754
Speaker 17: just have to be better. We have to be better

1431
01:06:04,834 --> 01:06:06,394
Speaker 17: in protection. We've got to do you know, as the

1432
01:06:06,594 --> 01:06:10,234
Speaker 17: as the field starts to contract or shorten. I mean, look,

1433
01:06:10,274 --> 01:06:12,114
Speaker 17: there are other players in the box that we just

1434
01:06:12,154 --> 01:06:13,634
Speaker 17: got to be precise.

1435
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Speaker 3: And NEXTU.

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Speaker 18: Next question, Chris price fold Chris right.

1437
01:06:21,914 --> 01:06:22,234
Speaker 8: Draw it.

1438
01:06:22,314 --> 01:06:25,914
Speaker 20: I'm curious a day later, any regrets. I know it's situation,

1439
01:06:25,994 --> 01:06:28,274
Speaker 20: that's right for a second guessing, but any regrets about

1440
01:06:28,714 --> 01:06:31,714
Speaker 20: punting and when when you had a chance to kick

1441
01:06:31,794 --> 01:06:34,434
Speaker 20: maybe a long ish field goal there to go up

1442
01:06:34,514 --> 01:06:35,554
Speaker 20: ten nothing early on?

1443
01:06:36,274 --> 01:06:37,874
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't want to use the

1444
01:06:37,914 --> 01:06:38,554
Speaker 3: word regrets.

1445
01:06:38,594 --> 01:06:42,034
Speaker 17: But look, I've been very open, yeah, being a first

1446
01:06:42,074 --> 01:06:45,194
Speaker 17: year head coach, like I'm learning as well, and it's

1447
01:06:45,274 --> 01:06:46,274
Speaker 17: a good experience.

1448
01:06:46,394 --> 01:06:49,354
Speaker 3: And like you said, hindsight is twenty twenty.

1449
01:06:49,514 --> 01:06:51,434
Speaker 17: But that was the decision I made during the game

1450
01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:53,434
Speaker 17: that I thought gave us the best chance to win

1451
01:06:53,474 --> 01:06:54,073
Speaker 17: the football game.

1452
01:06:55,074 --> 01:06:59,434
Speaker 18: Thank you, Thanks us, Chris Ryan, followed by Derek Kayt.

1453
01:07:00,794 --> 01:07:02,794
Speaker 21: Hey Rod Hootball as well with you just kind of

1454
01:07:02,954 --> 01:07:06,274
Speaker 21: building on that. Do you feel that as a coach,

1455
01:07:06,354 --> 01:07:08,634
Speaker 21: so you want to an establish, you know, an identity

1456
01:07:08,674 --> 01:07:10,954
Speaker 21: when it comes to those types of situations like obviously

1457
01:07:10,994 --> 01:07:13,034
Speaker 21: certain coaches you know they're gonna go four and fourth down,

1458
01:07:13,194 --> 01:07:15,633
Speaker 21: you know, no matter what, or they're gonna they're gonna

1459
01:07:15,674 --> 01:07:16,394
Speaker 21: kick a field.

1460
01:07:16,194 --> 01:07:17,314
Speaker 3: Goal as opposed to punt.

1461
01:07:17,434 --> 01:07:18,994
Speaker 21: Like do you do you feel like you need to

1462
01:07:19,034 --> 01:07:21,474
Speaker 21: have an overriding philosophy when it comes to that or

1463
01:07:21,594 --> 01:07:23,234
Speaker 21: is it a case by case type situation.

1464
01:07:23,794 --> 01:07:25,794
Speaker 17: Yeah, in my opinions, the case is like how the

1465
01:07:25,874 --> 01:07:27,554
Speaker 17: game is going with the flow of the game is

1466
01:07:27,674 --> 01:07:30,114
Speaker 17: like and like I said, you know in the moment,

1467
01:07:30,314 --> 01:07:32,194
Speaker 17: and I always feel like I'm making the right decision,

1468
01:07:32,354 --> 01:07:34,274
Speaker 17: and it's very easy to look back and say, well,

1469
01:07:34,274 --> 01:07:35,914
Speaker 17: I wish I would have done X, Y, and Z,

1470
01:07:37,314 --> 01:07:39,274
Speaker 17: and that would be multiple situations like you can go

1471
01:07:39,354 --> 01:07:40,874
Speaker 17: back to the London game and then some of the

1472
01:07:40,914 --> 01:07:44,394
Speaker 17: same situations showed up yesterday and if you execute we're

1473
01:07:44,434 --> 01:07:47,994
Speaker 17: not having this conversation. But but you know, as I said,

1474
01:07:48,074 --> 01:07:50,274
Speaker 17: as I say here today, look, it's it's one hundred

1475
01:07:50,274 --> 01:07:51,633
Speaker 17: percent on me and I have to be better.

1476
01:07:52,794 --> 01:07:54,474
Speaker 21: The other thing you mentioned is that there's enough talent

1477
01:07:54,514 --> 01:07:56,954
Speaker 21: in the room to win games. Did you always, you know,

1478
01:07:57,114 --> 01:07:58,834
Speaker 21: believe that or do the guys have to kind of

1479
01:07:59,234 --> 01:08:01,073
Speaker 21: show that through the course of the year, Like after

1480
01:08:01,154 --> 01:08:02,874
Speaker 21: the Jacksonville game, you've obviously have been a much more

1481
01:08:02,914 --> 01:08:07,234
Speaker 21: competitive team. So did that question kind of get answered?

1482
01:08:07,234 --> 01:08:08,954
Speaker 18: Did you already know the answer to it?

1483
01:08:09,634 --> 01:08:11,674
Speaker 17: Yeah, I've always believed that we had talent in the room.

1484
01:08:11,794 --> 01:08:14,794
Speaker 17: I've always believed that, you know, we have tough, smart,

1485
01:08:14,874 --> 01:08:16,714
Speaker 17: dependable guys in the room. And I saw that in

1486
01:08:16,794 --> 01:08:19,034
Speaker 17: the weight room during the spring, when that's where you

1487
01:08:19,154 --> 01:08:22,074
Speaker 17: really first see like how tough your football team is.

1488
01:08:22,154 --> 01:08:23,994
Speaker 17: And you know, we just got to continue to try

1489
01:08:24,034 --> 01:08:25,874
Speaker 17: to put those guys in a situation that they can

1490
01:08:25,954 --> 01:08:27,714
Speaker 17: be successful in one games.

1491
01:08:28,674 --> 01:08:32,914
Speaker 18: Thank you, Thank you, Doug, Kai, Sophie welcome.

1492
01:08:33,394 --> 01:08:34,274
Speaker 3: Thank you more and Drod.

1493
01:08:35,954 --> 01:08:38,914
Speaker 22: Mike was asking earlier about the aggressiveness that you guys

1494
01:08:38,954 --> 01:08:41,754
Speaker 22: showed on the on the flaw of blitz on the

1495
01:08:42,034 --> 01:08:44,274
Speaker 22: big play by Cooper Cup. It does feel like some

1496
01:08:44,354 --> 01:08:47,034
Speaker 22: of the fourth down decisions have been a little bit

1497
01:08:47,074 --> 01:08:51,634
Speaker 22: more conservative. Have you been mindfully going more risk averse

1498
01:08:51,674 --> 01:08:55,074
Speaker 22: on those fourth down decisions or it's just is that

1499
01:08:55,234 --> 01:08:56,714
Speaker 22: just the way that you felt in the moment.

1500
01:08:57,154 --> 01:08:59,354
Speaker 17: As all, as I've said, you know, throughout the season,

1501
01:08:59,914 --> 01:09:03,034
Speaker 17: especially the last three weeks, I've alluded to you know,

1502
01:09:03,114 --> 01:09:06,474
Speaker 17: the coordinators and coaches and myself, we've done a decent job,

1503
01:09:06,554 --> 01:09:09,554
Speaker 17: a good job of staying ahead of ahead of the game. Now,

1504
01:09:09,794 --> 01:09:12,194
Speaker 17: there are certain situations where all right, look we're going

1505
01:09:12,234 --> 01:09:13,594
Speaker 17: for it right here, and then it's a tackle for

1506
01:09:13,634 --> 01:09:15,314
Speaker 17: a loss. And I'm not just talking about this game.

1507
01:09:15,314 --> 01:09:17,994
Speaker 17: I'm talking about, you know, just the seasons as a whole.

1508
01:09:18,434 --> 01:09:21,034
Speaker 17: There are situations where you have to be ready to change.

1509
01:09:21,074 --> 01:09:23,554
Speaker 17: And look, as I continue to evolve as a coach,

1510
01:09:23,594 --> 01:09:26,034
Speaker 17: as the players continue to grow and develop up, we'll

1511
01:09:26,034 --> 01:09:26,714
Speaker 17: see what happens.

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01:09:26,754 --> 01:09:29,674
Speaker 3: But it is it's a case by case basis, and.

1513
01:09:29,834 --> 01:09:31,594
Speaker 22: Just one quick fall up as well. I know you

1514
01:09:31,714 --> 01:09:33,474
Speaker 22: had a chance to watch the film by this point,

1515
01:09:33,554 --> 01:09:36,114
Speaker 22: what'd you think of Christian Barmore's performance in his return?

1516
01:09:37,434 --> 01:09:40,794
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I would say, first and foremost, it was

1517
01:09:40,834 --> 01:09:42,154
Speaker 17: just good to see him out there. You know, there

1518
01:09:42,194 --> 01:09:43,674
Speaker 17: are definitely things we had to work on, and I

1519
01:09:43,714 --> 01:09:45,474
Speaker 17: would say the number one thing is just pad level.

1520
01:09:45,674 --> 01:09:47,234
Speaker 17: You know, it was really his first time being in

1521
01:09:47,314 --> 01:09:50,073
Speaker 17: pads and look forward to him continue to progress.

1522
01:09:50,754 --> 01:09:56,434
Speaker 18: Thank you, Thanks Sophy Willer, followed by Mark Daniel Morning Gerd.

1523
01:09:57,554 --> 01:10:00,274
Speaker 23: I was just curious Kendrick Bourne went from having no

1524
01:10:00,434 --> 01:10:03,714
Speaker 23: snaps against the Bears to playing and got hit the

1525
01:10:03,834 --> 01:10:05,834
Speaker 23: touchdown and all that. Just how did you see him

1526
01:10:05,874 --> 01:10:08,394
Speaker 23: kind of respond after that adversity from the week before?

1527
01:10:09,234 --> 01:10:10,074
Speaker 3: He responded great.

1528
01:10:10,074 --> 01:10:12,674
Speaker 17: I think he was our leading receiver yesterday and you know,

1529
01:10:12,954 --> 01:10:15,274
Speaker 17: just a guy that it doesn't matter what position you're

1530
01:10:15,314 --> 01:10:18,394
Speaker 17: talking about, Like there's nothing more important than practice and

1531
01:10:18,474 --> 01:10:20,394
Speaker 17: going out there and performing at a high level practice,

1532
01:10:20,394 --> 01:10:21,794
Speaker 17: which I would say he had a great week of

1533
01:10:21,834 --> 01:10:23,434
Speaker 17: practice and it transferred.

1534
01:10:22,994 --> 01:10:26,674
Speaker 3: To the game. And then I'm curious Javon Baker.

1535
01:10:26,754 --> 01:10:29,594
Speaker 23: We were seeing him do some punt returns, but he

1536
01:10:29,674 --> 01:10:32,954
Speaker 23: had the fumble and then the hurdle play and he

1537
01:10:33,074 --> 01:10:36,314
Speaker 23: was kind of out after that. Was that in response

1538
01:10:36,354 --> 01:10:38,834
Speaker 23: to that or just giving players and their opportunity Just

1539
01:10:38,874 --> 01:10:40,194
Speaker 23: kind of what was the thought process there?

1540
01:10:40,394 --> 01:10:43,434
Speaker 3: You're talking about the kick returns right, Yeah, sorry, yeah,

1541
01:10:43,514 --> 01:10:44,794
Speaker 3: no problem. Yeah.

1542
01:10:44,874 --> 01:10:46,434
Speaker 17: So on the kick returns, you know he was back

1543
01:10:46,474 --> 01:10:50,074
Speaker 17: there the first couple of snaps and you know, he

1544
01:10:50,154 --> 01:10:52,554
Speaker 17: didn't execute the way that we all had hoped he would.

1545
01:10:52,914 --> 01:10:53,954
Speaker 3: I know, it was a big return.

1546
01:10:54,034 --> 01:10:56,114
Speaker 17: Even on that big return, it was one of those

1547
01:10:56,114 --> 01:10:57,594
Speaker 17: situations where is he coming out?

1548
01:10:57,674 --> 01:10:59,714
Speaker 3: Is knock coming out? And same thing with the second

1549
01:10:59,794 --> 01:11:00,474
Speaker 3: kick goff return.

1550
01:11:02,634 --> 01:11:07,434
Speaker 18: Thank you, Thanks Mark Daniels, followed by Chris Price.

1551
01:11:07,714 --> 01:11:11,674
Speaker 24: Pedro, Good morning with with Kendrick Bourne and someone that

1552
01:11:11,794 --> 01:11:13,674
Speaker 24: Jalen Polk For you as a coach, how difficult of

1553
01:11:13,754 --> 01:11:15,914
Speaker 24: a balance is it, you know, having the young kid

1554
01:11:15,994 --> 01:11:17,994
Speaker 24: in there because you need to develop them, but also

1555
01:11:18,114 --> 01:11:21,114
Speaker 24: taking you know, a productive receiver like Kendrick off the field.

1556
01:11:21,874 --> 01:11:24,474
Speaker 17: Yeah, you know, like I said earlier, you know, Kendrick

1557
01:11:24,474 --> 01:11:26,634
Speaker 17: had a great game and Polka is developing and he

1558
01:11:26,754 --> 01:11:29,274
Speaker 17: will be a good player in this league. You know,

1559
01:11:29,314 --> 01:11:31,154
Speaker 17: as the head coach of this football team, we're trying

1560
01:11:31,194 --> 01:11:34,394
Speaker 17: to win right now and whoever the hot hand happens

1561
01:11:34,434 --> 01:11:35,954
Speaker 17: to be in that situation will play more.

1562
01:11:36,474 --> 01:11:36,754
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1563
01:11:37,354 --> 01:11:42,194
Speaker 18: Thanks for two final questions Chris Price and Micrees.

1564
01:11:43,594 --> 01:11:45,874
Speaker 20: Kind of piggybacking off of Doug's question, from earlier. I'm

1565
01:11:45,874 --> 01:11:48,434
Speaker 20: curious to get your thoughts on how Yadick played in

1566
01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:50,474
Speaker 20: his debut for you guys yesterday.

1567
01:11:50,674 --> 01:11:51,874
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did some good things.

1568
01:11:51,874 --> 01:11:53,474
Speaker 17: I would say, you know, it was a very smart

1569
01:11:53,554 --> 01:11:56,874
Speaker 17: individual and will continue to load up his plate this weekend.

1570
01:11:57,074 --> 01:12:00,274
Speaker 3: I anticipate him playing more as we move forward. Thanks,

1571
01:12:00,954 --> 01:12:01,194
Speaker 3: thank you.

1572
01:12:02,394 --> 01:12:06,314
Speaker 25: The last question Mike Ries and how significant Hurroud did

1573
01:12:06,354 --> 01:12:10,554
Speaker 25: you see the illegal formation penalty on that they called

1574
01:12:11,234 --> 01:12:13,354
Speaker 25: in terms of the way the game unfolded?

1575
01:12:13,434 --> 01:12:16,514
Speaker 18: And what is the coaching point there, I guess going forward?

1576
01:12:16,674 --> 01:12:20,274
Speaker 3: Are you talking about the low low the low? Yeah?

1577
01:12:20,354 --> 01:12:22,674
Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, so you know the referees, I mean they

1578
01:12:22,714 --> 01:12:24,354
Speaker 17: do a good job. You know, they give you a

1579
01:12:24,434 --> 01:12:26,594
Speaker 17: warning before the game. Him they gave him, you know,

1580
01:12:26,714 --> 01:12:29,594
Speaker 17: two warnings during the game and they called the third one.

1581
01:12:29,674 --> 01:12:32,394
Speaker 17: So that's on us. And I always say, look, we'll

1582
01:12:32,434 --> 01:12:34,634
Speaker 17: do business. This business is being done, and you've been

1583
01:12:34,754 --> 01:12:36,394
Speaker 17: worn multiple times. You got to get on the ball.

1584
01:12:37,154 --> 01:12:39,114
Speaker 17: But it's not it's not only Look, I know it's

1585
01:12:39,194 --> 01:12:41,594
Speaker 17: oftentimes you know they throw the flag on a tackle,

1586
01:12:41,954 --> 01:12:43,754
Speaker 17: but I would also say it's part you know, the

1587
01:12:43,954 --> 01:12:46,114
Speaker 17: entire offensive line. If the guards are set to back,

1588
01:12:46,154 --> 01:12:48,034
Speaker 17: then obviously the tackles will be back as well. And

1589
01:12:48,514 --> 01:12:50,074
Speaker 17: you know, if you ask those guys the same question,

1590
01:12:50,114 --> 01:12:51,114
Speaker 17: they'll give you the same answer.

1591
01:12:54,234 --> 01:12:55,674
Speaker 18: Thanks John, Thanks everyone.

1592
01:12:56,754 --> 01:12:58,834
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.

1593
01:13:01,114 --> 01:13:01,514
Speaker 4: History.

1594
01:13:01,914 --> 01:13:05,394
Speaker 1: I got the neighbor that burns everything, plastic everything.

1595
01:13:05,714 --> 01:13:07,674
Speaker 7: Now that's now that that's bad.

1596
01:13:07,794 --> 01:13:11,794
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's even even I would say, but I don't Matt's.

1597
01:13:12,114 --> 01:13:14,634
Speaker 4: That must be an awful smell is horrible when he

1598
01:13:14,714 --> 01:13:14,954
Speaker 4: does it.

1599
01:13:17,194 --> 01:13:19,114
Speaker 5: It's always the guy that burns the leaves too, and

1600
01:13:19,234 --> 01:13:19,554
Speaker 5: it's up.

1601
01:13:19,754 --> 01:13:20,794
Speaker 4: I don't mind leave it, but.

1602
01:13:20,834 --> 01:13:22,674
Speaker 1: It ends up with like a blaze, and the ashes

1603
01:13:22,714 --> 01:13:23,514
Speaker 1: are coming into my yard.

1604
01:13:23,554 --> 01:13:24,234
Speaker 7: Though when he's doing.

1605
01:13:24,154 --> 01:13:26,074
Speaker 4: Well, you're not supposed to burn leaves. You can burn

1606
01:13:26,154 --> 01:13:27,754
Speaker 4: brush and stuff, but not leaves.

1607
01:13:28,034 --> 01:13:28,194
Speaker 24: You know.

1608
01:13:29,234 --> 01:13:35,074
Speaker 4: I got a guy across the street. He's got he's

1609
01:13:35,114 --> 01:13:38,074
Speaker 4: got his main driving paved, but then he's got this

1610
01:13:38,274 --> 01:13:41,634
Speaker 4: back road which is all dirt, and he cults. He

1611
01:13:41,754 --> 01:13:44,154
Speaker 4: keeps putting down woodships, and every time it rains, the

1612
01:13:44,194 --> 01:13:46,394
Speaker 4: wood ships just drain right out into the street. He

1613
01:13:46,474 --> 01:13:46,994
Speaker 4: doesn't get it.

1614
01:13:47,074 --> 01:13:49,594
Speaker 26: It's like it's not gonna work. How many times are

1615
01:13:49,594 --> 01:13:53,474
Speaker 26: you gonna do this? He keeps doing it, and it

1616
01:13:53,554 --> 01:13:57,954
Speaker 26: keeps just running right out. Just keep it dirt or.

1617
01:13:58,034 --> 01:14:01,554
Speaker 5: Paving sounds like all but like the.

1618
01:14:01,594 --> 01:14:03,874
Speaker 4: First time, first time you look at it, go oh

1619
01:14:03,954 --> 01:14:05,554
Speaker 4: that didn't work, and you don't do it again. He

1620
01:14:05,714 --> 01:14:06,394
Speaker 4: keeps doing it.

1621
01:14:06,754 --> 01:14:08,394
Speaker 2: That's another great moment.

1622
01:14:11,994 --> 01:14:14,314
Speaker 4: All right, it's easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy,

1623
01:14:14,474 --> 01:14:17,474
Speaker 4: but light the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots.

1624
01:14:18,074 --> 01:14:20,514
Speaker 4: And uh, how do you want to spend your Black Friday?

1625
01:14:21,074 --> 01:14:24,114
Speaker 4: Do you want to spend your weekend watching football instead

1626
01:14:24,154 --> 01:14:27,073
Speaker 4: of waiting in line? While? If you do this November,

1627
01:14:27,234 --> 01:14:31,394
Speaker 4: Bob's is unboxing unbeatable values for your home all month long,

1628
01:14:31,714 --> 01:14:34,234
Speaker 4: so you can skip the phony sales and stock up

1629
01:14:34,274 --> 01:14:37,994
Speaker 4: on early on everything from sofas to bedroom sets, the

1630
01:14:38,114 --> 01:14:41,674
Speaker 4: stocking stuffers, and plenty of wow worthy gifts to so

1631
01:14:41,834 --> 01:14:43,874
Speaker 4: stop in and see how much you can say when

1632
01:14:43,914 --> 01:14:47,954
Speaker 4: you dare to compare with Bob's Discount Furniture, official furniture

1633
01:14:47,994 --> 01:14:49,674
Speaker 4: store of the New England Patriots.

1634
01:14:50,554 --> 01:14:51,714
Speaker 5: I was going to tell you how I was going

1635
01:14:51,794 --> 01:14:54,554
Speaker 5: to spend my Black Friend Friday, asking me I got

1636
01:14:54,634 --> 01:14:57,754
Speaker 5: to do one of my shows? Oh yeah on my station? Okay,

1637
01:14:57,994 --> 01:14:59,874
Speaker 5: fill in yeah, a little fill in action.

1638
01:14:59,994 --> 01:15:00,354
Speaker 4: I like that.

1639
01:15:00,394 --> 01:15:01,754
Speaker 5: I felt like holiday feeling.

1640
01:15:02,274 --> 01:15:05,074
Speaker 4: For Saturday than the week holiday fill in host.

1641
01:15:05,434 --> 01:15:06,474
Speaker 7: That's when bar shines.

1642
01:15:08,474 --> 01:15:12,874
Speaker 5: Yeah, holiday money.

1643
01:15:14,474 --> 01:15:15,234
Speaker 4: Years the bar.

1644
01:15:15,994 --> 01:15:16,754
Speaker 7: He's ready to go.

1645
01:15:17,074 --> 01:15:19,154
Speaker 5: Yeah, I draw the line of the actual holidays.

1646
01:15:19,194 --> 01:15:22,274
Speaker 4: Just give me the bag. Yeah, so that's good. You're

1647
01:15:22,274 --> 01:15:25,714
Speaker 4: going to be on Friday week from Friday? Does anyone

1648
01:15:25,794 --> 01:15:28,714
Speaker 4: here partaken black Friday? Never been?

1649
01:15:28,834 --> 01:15:29,154
Speaker 6: Never been?

1650
01:15:30,074 --> 01:15:31,514
Speaker 4: She goes out Doorbuster.

1651
01:15:33,474 --> 01:15:34,954
Speaker 5: She has to work this year, brave soul.

1652
01:15:35,394 --> 01:15:36,634
Speaker 7: I used to when I was a.

1653
01:15:36,674 --> 01:15:40,554
Speaker 6: Kid, like midnight waiting for the used to do it doorbusters.

1654
01:15:40,594 --> 01:15:42,354
Speaker 6: You guys do when I when I used to live in,

1655
01:15:42,434 --> 01:15:45,954
Speaker 6: rent them. They have the rent them outlets, which you know,

1656
01:15:46,154 --> 01:15:47,274
Speaker 6: Premium Outains.

1657
01:15:47,874 --> 01:15:49,714
Speaker 5: Is still there even though you don't live in.

1658
01:15:50,554 --> 01:15:55,954
Speaker 4: People line up on the highway at midnight to get

1659
01:15:56,114 --> 01:15:58,794
Speaker 4: off that ramp into that place. It's unbelievable. I bet,

1660
01:15:58,914 --> 01:16:00,354
Speaker 4: I bet it's unbelievable.

1661
01:16:00,714 --> 01:16:02,834
Speaker 6: My mom and sisters went crazy when that place opened

1662
01:16:02,914 --> 01:16:06,554
Speaker 6: up way back when. That's like their holidays at the mountains.

1663
01:16:06,834 --> 01:16:07,154
Speaker 5: Solid.

1664
01:16:07,874 --> 01:16:09,554
Speaker 6: Get whatever you need, but.

1665
01:16:09,714 --> 01:16:13,194
Speaker 4: Just be careful about the markdowns. You know, that's what

1666
01:16:13,354 --> 01:16:14,274
Speaker 4: the prices should be.

1667
01:16:14,474 --> 01:16:15,554
Speaker 6: Yeah, they aren't that great.

1668
01:16:15,674 --> 01:16:16,074
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

1669
01:16:16,154 --> 01:16:17,554
Speaker 6: You go there looking for a deal. You got to

1670
01:16:17,674 --> 01:16:19,514
Speaker 6: just go to Marshalls. If you're really looking for like

1671
01:16:19,634 --> 01:16:21,514
Speaker 6: a deal on well clothing.

1672
01:16:22,034 --> 01:16:23,034
Speaker 4: Paul and I would disagree.

1673
01:16:23,074 --> 01:16:24,154
Speaker 5: We get a regular clothes.

1674
01:16:26,034 --> 01:16:29,074
Speaker 4: The name brands have different lines in Marshals than they

1675
01:16:29,154 --> 01:16:32,594
Speaker 4: do in the premium department stores. Until you know that

1676
01:16:32,834 --> 01:16:35,954
Speaker 4: hoy for friends, just so you know that you get

1677
01:16:35,954 --> 01:16:39,714
Speaker 4: what you paid for, and close and furniture, you get

1678
01:16:39,714 --> 01:16:40,314
Speaker 4: what you paid for.

1679
01:16:41,234 --> 01:16:44,234
Speaker 6: Jesus Marshalls' spot.

1680
01:16:44,714 --> 01:16:46,434
Speaker 4: Well there to compare, Paul.

1681
01:16:46,514 --> 01:16:49,274
Speaker 6: Right, dare to compare, and the comparison's coming out in

1682
01:16:49,314 --> 01:16:50,113
Speaker 6: favor of Marshalls.

1683
01:16:50,474 --> 01:16:52,274
Speaker 4: All right, We got a lot of emails coming in

1684
01:16:52,394 --> 01:16:59,074
Speaker 4: at podcasts at Patriots dot com and just running. Remind people,

1685
01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:02,074
Speaker 4: if you want to get the amazing PU newsletter that

1686
01:17:02,194 --> 01:17:06,234
Speaker 4: Alex puts together every week featuring just stuff about this show,

1687
01:17:06,754 --> 01:17:09,634
Speaker 4: all you have to do is email us at podcasts

1688
01:17:10,234 --> 01:17:12,914
Speaker 4: at Patriots dot com and you can ask a question

1689
01:17:13,034 --> 01:17:14,714
Speaker 4: for the show or just say I want the newsletter.

1690
01:17:14,834 --> 01:17:17,594
Speaker 4: Either way, we'll put you into the distribution list and

1691
01:17:17,634 --> 01:17:18,954
Speaker 4: you'll get the newsletter every week.

1692
01:17:19,634 --> 01:17:22,274
Speaker 6: So what's it gonna do? Maybe a little tales from

1693
01:17:22,354 --> 01:17:25,554
Speaker 6: Hollywood do section, Maybe a couple of like funny, funny,

1694
01:17:25,634 --> 01:17:27,434
Speaker 6: charming stories perhaps for the newsletter.

1695
01:17:27,474 --> 01:17:29,594
Speaker 5: At some point, do you have any I have to

1696
01:17:29,714 --> 01:17:31,394
Speaker 5: come up with some I'll make come up with something.

1697
01:17:31,714 --> 01:17:32,474
Speaker 5: I'm gonna think about it.

1698
01:17:32,554 --> 01:17:33,314
Speaker 6: I got some good ones.

1699
01:17:33,354 --> 01:17:34,194
Speaker 5: I got some good ones.

1700
01:17:34,234 --> 01:17:37,674
Speaker 6: You know, random celebrity encounters might be fun, all.

1701
01:17:37,634 --> 01:17:39,394
Speaker 4: Right, So let's get into some of the emails. A

1702
01:17:39,434 --> 01:17:42,354
Speaker 4: lot of them coming in. Dexter in Santa Rosa, California.

1703
01:17:43,554 --> 01:17:46,834
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, not really. I'm tired of these weird,

1704
01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:50,834
Speaker 4: unspoken riffs that happen with our wide receiver group. KB

1705
01:17:51,034 --> 01:17:54,074
Speaker 4: doesn't look, doesn't play, then looks like our best receiver.

1706
01:17:54,234 --> 01:17:57,234
Speaker 4: The next week, reports are coming in, speaking and hinting

1707
01:17:57,554 --> 01:18:00,474
Speaker 4: at a mutiny. Stay clearer, Evan. I can't help but

1708
01:18:00,594 --> 01:18:04,274
Speaker 4: feel like Gerard is rapidly losing trust amongst the locker room,

1709
01:18:04,514 --> 01:18:08,634
Speaker 4: especially when his decisions are easily easy to directly correlate

1710
01:18:08,674 --> 01:18:10,754
Speaker 4: to losses. I am in no way blaming him for

1711
01:18:10,834 --> 01:18:13,754
Speaker 4: every loss. But there is something to Paul's rant about

1712
01:18:13,834 --> 01:18:17,314
Speaker 4: having a philosophy. Mayo is going with his gut, and

1713
01:18:17,394 --> 01:18:19,914
Speaker 4: the players don't respect that because it's easier to buy

1714
01:18:19,954 --> 01:18:23,554
Speaker 4: into a philosophy rather than somebody's gut. What do you

1715
01:18:23,634 --> 01:18:27,154
Speaker 4: think about that? It's not sure what he Now, I don't.

1716
01:18:27,874 --> 01:18:29,994
Speaker 5: I don't see what he's talking about in terms of

1717
01:18:30,074 --> 01:18:32,794
Speaker 5: the locker room and the players believing and all that.

1718
01:18:33,034 --> 01:18:36,474
Speaker 5: I think that the questions on his decisions are valid.

1719
01:18:36,554 --> 01:18:38,514
Speaker 5: I think they're well, he's done a lot of things

1720
01:18:38,554 --> 01:18:40,434
Speaker 5: that are worth second guessing. I don't think they've all

1721
01:18:40,514 --> 01:18:43,674
Speaker 5: been wrong, but I think that they're definitely worthy of

1722
01:18:43,914 --> 01:18:48,354
Speaker 5: different viewpoints. But I don't I think the players. I

1723
01:18:48,474 --> 01:18:50,954
Speaker 5: think that game one Sunday was a perfect example of it.

1724
01:18:51,114 --> 01:18:54,114
Speaker 5: That's a game that easily could have gotten out of hand,

1725
01:18:54,794 --> 01:18:57,554
Speaker 5: and I don't know that they ever really did anything

1726
01:18:57,634 --> 01:19:00,154
Speaker 5: to completely turn it around, but they did enough to

1727
01:19:00,314 --> 01:19:03,914
Speaker 5: scrap and claw their way, so the Rams never were

1728
01:19:03,954 --> 01:19:06,834
Speaker 5: able to completely put the game away until they finally

1729
01:19:06,914 --> 01:19:09,234
Speaker 5: picked off the pass. Yeah, you know so, I think

1730
01:19:09,274 --> 01:19:12,274
Speaker 5: that's they played hard and they continue to fight. And

1731
01:19:12,394 --> 01:19:14,554
Speaker 5: I actually said something to Evan during the game. It

1732
01:19:14,674 --> 01:19:16,194
Speaker 5: was kind of annoying me because it was like that

1733
01:19:16,834 --> 01:19:17,474
Speaker 5: kind of stuff that.

1734
01:19:17,514 --> 01:19:19,954
Speaker 7: I don't really like the referees because that was.

1735
01:19:21,594 --> 01:19:23,834
Speaker 5: Oh, that one call was just I went on a

1736
01:19:23,954 --> 01:19:28,874
Speaker 5: rant on the postgame show. But the constant like do

1737
01:19:28,954 --> 01:19:30,994
Speaker 5: you see how excited they get on the sideline? You know,

1738
01:19:31,074 --> 01:19:33,994
Speaker 5: we had the thing that that Van pel talked about

1739
01:19:33,994 --> 01:19:37,354
Speaker 5: the pickups. You know, Trey Jacobs had all the pickups,

1740
01:19:37,514 --> 01:19:40,074
Speaker 5: and I think that's great. It's great team, team bonding,

1741
01:19:40,114 --> 01:19:43,754
Speaker 5: team camaraderie. You know the fact that they charted a

1742
01:19:43,834 --> 01:19:48,194
Speaker 5: little like Harry High School for me. But the over

1743
01:19:48,314 --> 01:19:51,354
Speaker 5: the top enthusiasm on the sideline is clearly something that

1744
01:19:51,434 --> 01:19:55,874
Speaker 5: has been sort of ingrained from the coach. Like Javon

1745
01:19:55,994 --> 01:19:58,234
Speaker 5: Baker had a nice kickoff returned to start the game,

1746
01:19:58,394 --> 01:19:59,714
Speaker 5: and like you would have thought that he took it

1747
01:19:59,754 --> 01:20:02,714
Speaker 5: to the house the way that the sideline reacted like this.

1748
01:20:02,914 --> 01:20:05,114
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I know how this is going

1749
01:20:05,194 --> 01:20:07,314
Speaker 5: to come across. So Paul doesn't like any excitement. No,

1750
01:20:07,394 --> 01:20:08,914
Speaker 5: I do like excitement, and I do think that you

1751
01:20:08,954 --> 01:20:12,234
Speaker 5: should show enthusiasm when your team makes good plays. Bill

1752
01:20:12,354 --> 01:20:14,034
Speaker 5: used to talk about that all the time. You should

1753
01:20:14,074 --> 01:20:16,314
Speaker 5: be happy. It's hard. I just thought it was a

1754
01:20:16,314 --> 01:20:17,234
Speaker 5: little over the top of it.

1755
01:20:17,354 --> 01:20:18,874
Speaker 4: Did you think did you see the sideline going to

1756
01:20:18,914 --> 01:20:21,594
Speaker 4: be a little hypocritical here? Okay, because I didn't notice

1757
01:20:21,634 --> 01:20:24,674
Speaker 4: it for the Patriots, but I mean, you're right they

1758
01:20:24,714 --> 01:20:27,834
Speaker 4: were doing. But I was watching last night the Cowboys

1759
01:20:27,994 --> 01:20:31,514
Speaker 4: in Houston, and you know, I love seeing the Cowboys lose.

1760
01:20:31,714 --> 01:20:35,074
Speaker 4: I'm always rooting against them, but I almost turned into

1761
01:20:35,114 --> 01:20:37,754
Speaker 4: a Cowboys fan last night because of the hooton and

1762
01:20:37,834 --> 01:20:40,674
Speaker 4: hollering that was going on on the Texans sideline. I mean,

1763
01:20:40,754 --> 01:20:44,034
Speaker 4: they were out of control. It was unbelieved, especially that

1764
01:20:44,154 --> 01:20:47,914
Speaker 4: first half. Like every play was like the greatest play ever.

1765
01:20:48,514 --> 01:20:50,754
Speaker 5: Did you notice that I didn't really watch much of

1766
01:20:50,834 --> 01:20:52,714
Speaker 5: the Okay, yeah, Like I was like, I saw a

1767
01:20:52,794 --> 01:20:54,874
Speaker 5: couple of nights and there I was like, this is enough.

1768
01:20:55,554 --> 01:20:57,954
Speaker 4: From the head coach on down. It wasn't just the

1769
01:20:58,434 --> 01:21:01,394
Speaker 4: assistant coaches and players. I was like, Okay, maybe I

1770
01:21:01,554 --> 01:21:03,034
Speaker 4: want the Cowboys to win.

1771
01:21:03,114 --> 01:21:05,434
Speaker 5: The taking that long field goal off the board for

1772
01:21:06,074 --> 01:21:09,114
Speaker 5: Aubrey cost me my fantasy game. I know people care

1773
01:21:09,154 --> 01:21:11,714
Speaker 5: about that. I actually I lost my three.

1774
01:21:11,914 --> 01:21:14,914
Speaker 7: Every week on the on the All twenty two when

1775
01:21:14,954 --> 01:21:18,314
Speaker 7: the Patriots are on offense, I was I hate to

1776
01:21:18,314 --> 01:21:19,834
Speaker 7: call I don't want to call much cheerleader, but like

1777
01:21:20,154 --> 01:21:23,994
Speaker 7: the number one fan of Drake may As Jacoby Brissett,

1778
01:21:24,194 --> 01:21:25,034
Speaker 7: and I just think that's.

1779
01:21:24,994 --> 01:21:26,714
Speaker 4: Kind of cool, that's great. You know that.

1780
01:21:26,874 --> 01:21:28,954
Speaker 5: I love no problem with that at all.

1781
01:21:29,114 --> 01:21:29,274
Speaker 22: Like that.

1782
01:21:29,394 --> 01:21:32,194
Speaker 7: I think that I love is really awesome, and like

1783
01:21:32,354 --> 01:21:35,394
Speaker 7: I think that he's uh fully embraced like the mentor

1784
01:21:35,554 --> 01:21:38,474
Speaker 7: role now that he's not playing anymore. And uh, you know,

1785
01:21:38,634 --> 01:21:42,554
Speaker 7: there was one play in particular where he sprinted down

1786
01:21:42,634 --> 01:21:45,514
Speaker 7: the sideline. I think it was the Born touchdown to

1787
01:21:46,474 --> 01:21:49,394
Speaker 7: greet May coming off the field, and like there couldn't

1788
01:21:49,394 --> 01:21:51,554
Speaker 7: have been a single person that was happier in that

1789
01:21:51,674 --> 01:21:54,354
Speaker 7: stadium for Drake than to Kobe, which.

1790
01:21:54,274 --> 01:21:56,874
Speaker 5: And that's not necessarily what I'm talking about. And and

1791
01:21:56,954 --> 01:21:58,394
Speaker 5: I mentioned it to you join the game and you

1792
01:21:58,514 --> 01:22:00,194
Speaker 5: kind of like you made fun of me, which you

1793
01:22:00,234 --> 01:22:01,434
Speaker 5: probably should have because I get it.

1794
01:22:01,994 --> 01:22:04,874
Speaker 7: We have a good time, right, I do, don't you.

1795
01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:08,554
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. It's like a high school kind

1796
01:22:08,594 --> 01:22:10,554
Speaker 5: of a thing. It's it's a meant like when you

1797
01:22:10,634 --> 01:22:12,834
Speaker 5: see in high school and you know, guys are just

1798
01:22:12,914 --> 01:22:15,514
Speaker 5: jumping up and now whereas like in the pros, like

1799
01:22:15,914 --> 01:22:18,434
Speaker 5: we've had a lot of success, guys, we were five

1800
01:22:18,514 --> 01:22:21,234
Speaker 5: star recruits coming out of high school. We had all

1801
01:22:21,314 --> 01:22:24,394
Speaker 5: American careers in college. We're used to making good plays.

1802
01:22:24,554 --> 01:22:25,954
Speaker 5: Why do we have to like we never made a

1803
01:22:25,994 --> 01:22:28,514
Speaker 5: good play before? You know, there was like a fine line.

1804
01:22:28,554 --> 01:22:31,794
Speaker 5: I don't want to like squash the but I just

1805
01:22:31,874 --> 01:22:33,154
Speaker 5: thought it was a little over the time.

1806
01:22:33,194 --> 01:22:35,114
Speaker 4: That's how I felt about the Texans last night.

1807
01:22:35,314 --> 01:22:37,834
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like it's it's similar, especially in that

1808
01:22:38,154 --> 01:22:40,434
Speaker 5: I think it's even worse for Houston last night because

1809
01:22:40,474 --> 01:22:43,954
Speaker 5: you're beaten up on a completely banged up Dallas team.

1810
01:22:44,034 --> 01:22:44,914
Speaker 5: What are you really doing?

1811
01:22:46,114 --> 01:22:48,634
Speaker 4: Speaking of Jacoby Brissett, I saw him in his first

1812
01:22:48,994 --> 01:22:50,554
Speaker 4: at least the first time I've seen him in a

1813
01:22:50,634 --> 01:22:52,274
Speaker 4: national commercial.

1814
01:22:52,074 --> 01:22:55,754
Speaker 7: Yes night. So I saw it last Thursday night, and

1815
01:22:56,234 --> 01:22:58,314
Speaker 7: I'll admit I was kind of dozing off at that

1816
01:22:58,434 --> 01:23:01,074
Speaker 7: point of the game, and so I thought maybe I

1817
01:23:01,234 --> 01:23:03,554
Speaker 7: like dreamt it or something like that. And I woke

1818
01:23:03,594 --> 01:23:05,874
Speaker 7: up the next day and I was like, Kobyssett was

1819
01:23:05,994 --> 01:23:06,674
Speaker 7: definitely in that.

1820
01:23:06,834 --> 01:23:11,074
Speaker 4: Oh yes, you know. Yeah, it's those ones where the backup, Yeah,

1821
01:23:11,114 --> 01:23:13,554
Speaker 4: the backup he comes in as a backup accountant or

1822
01:23:13,594 --> 01:23:14,194
Speaker 4: something like that.

1823
01:23:14,474 --> 01:23:16,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're actually doing a premise. I don't think

1824
01:23:16,634 --> 01:23:17,274
Speaker 5: they execute it.

1825
01:23:17,314 --> 01:23:20,914
Speaker 7: Well, I think they're actually doing it with multiple well known.

1826
01:23:20,754 --> 01:23:24,874
Speaker 4: Backup yeah right, yeah, but it was good to say

1827
01:23:25,314 --> 01:23:27,114
Speaker 4: Kobe getting a little love. I like that.

1828
01:23:27,274 --> 01:23:27,914
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1829
01:23:28,434 --> 01:23:32,634
Speaker 4: Uh, Claire Wright's and hello everyone and over I agree

1830
01:23:32,674 --> 01:23:37,314
Speaker 4: with Deuce. This team is struggling for an overall identity offensively,

1831
01:23:37,474 --> 01:23:40,514
Speaker 4: maybe it can be the tight end age team. Like

1832
01:23:40,634 --> 01:23:43,154
Speaker 4: you said, guys said, Hunter is so dependable. I believe

1833
01:23:43,194 --> 01:23:46,194
Speaker 4: he's a real good tight end. Hooper is even developing.

1834
01:23:46,634 --> 01:23:49,954
Speaker 4: That's not a bad offensive identity. A great quarterback and

1835
01:23:50,074 --> 01:23:52,554
Speaker 4: some good and productive tight ends at least until the

1836
01:23:52,594 --> 01:23:55,114
Speaker 4: wide receivers learn how to catch. I like it, she says,

1837
01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:57,954
Speaker 4: So can we talk about the wide receivers a little bit?

1838
01:23:58,354 --> 01:23:58,594
Speaker 5: Sure?

1839
01:23:58,714 --> 01:24:01,034
Speaker 7: If you can we say something positive first, you can

1840
01:24:01,074 --> 01:24:05,114
Speaker 7: talk about whatever you want. I just I do think

1841
01:24:05,154 --> 01:24:07,754
Speaker 7: that their tight ends are are both pretty good players.

1842
01:24:08,114 --> 01:24:11,994
Speaker 7: And I give you Maya and Van Pelt credit for

1843
01:24:12,634 --> 01:24:16,354
Speaker 7: kind of building this passing game around the strengths of

1844
01:24:16,434 --> 01:24:18,794
Speaker 7: the receivers that they do have. And it's a lot

1845
01:24:19,194 --> 01:24:22,714
Speaker 7: of Hunter Henry between the numbers, Austin Hooper, Uh, you

1846
01:24:22,794 --> 01:24:27,594
Speaker 7: know obviously Pop and KB Booty on in cut routes,

1847
01:24:27,674 --> 01:24:29,874
Speaker 7: you know, slants, things been breaking into the middle of

1848
01:24:29,914 --> 01:24:32,554
Speaker 7: the field because that's what this group is good at,

1849
01:24:32,634 --> 01:24:35,074
Speaker 7: and Drake's doing a really good job of executing it.

1850
01:24:35,194 --> 01:24:37,674
Speaker 7: So I think that this game plan that they played

1851
01:24:37,874 --> 01:24:41,034
Speaker 7: against the Rams like that they can execute that offense

1852
01:24:41,114 --> 01:24:43,354
Speaker 7: like they can run an offense like that, and then

1853
01:24:43,394 --> 01:24:45,914
Speaker 7: I hope, you hope eventually they get the outside guys

1854
01:24:45,994 --> 01:24:48,114
Speaker 7: that he can throw deep a little bit more often

1855
01:24:48,634 --> 01:24:50,754
Speaker 7: next year. You know, that's not gonna happen this year,

1856
01:24:50,794 --> 01:24:53,074
Speaker 7: but maybe next year. So right now, this is the

1857
01:24:53,154 --> 01:24:56,074
Speaker 7: personnel that they have, and they they're doing a nice

1858
01:24:56,154 --> 01:24:57,434
Speaker 7: job of getting those guys the ball.

1859
01:25:01,194 --> 01:25:03,394
Speaker 6: I don't know, I just like, I just try to

1860
01:25:03,394 --> 01:25:05,194
Speaker 6: feel like I try to be positive and like I

1861
01:25:05,394 --> 01:25:07,354
Speaker 6: you know, I I hold out hope for things to

1862
01:25:07,394 --> 01:25:10,114
Speaker 6: work out, and I just I'm feeling pessimistic about Jalen Polk.

1863
01:25:10,154 --> 01:25:13,154
Speaker 6: I've really lost kind of hope on him. I would say,

1864
01:25:13,234 --> 01:25:15,234
Speaker 6: I just I really felt good.

1865
01:25:15,274 --> 01:25:15,874
Speaker 4: I loved him.

1866
01:25:15,994 --> 01:25:17,474
Speaker 6: He was one of the first players I watched when

1867
01:25:17,514 --> 01:25:19,634
Speaker 6: I started the draft process. I just thought he was tough,

1868
01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,234
Speaker 6: and you know, there was a lot that I liked

1869
01:25:21,234 --> 01:25:24,074
Speaker 6: about his game. I liked him this summer. He was consistent,

1870
01:25:24,554 --> 01:25:26,034
Speaker 6: and I rode in the A Bail Bay today that

1871
01:25:26,074 --> 01:25:28,874
Speaker 6: I just I've never in my professional career covering this

1872
01:25:28,994 --> 01:25:31,074
Speaker 6: team had quite the experience I've had with him where

1873
01:25:31,074 --> 01:25:33,754
Speaker 6: I feel I believe in this player. I think this

1874
01:25:33,834 --> 01:25:35,954
Speaker 6: player is going to be good and then to see

1875
01:25:36,034 --> 01:25:38,474
Speaker 6: him just do nothing, and I mean to you know,

1876
01:25:38,514 --> 01:25:40,554
Speaker 6: And I think there's probably some people talking about, like, oh,

1877
01:25:40,594 --> 01:25:42,634
Speaker 6: the clock was gonna expire anyway on the penalty that

1878
01:25:42,674 --> 01:25:45,594
Speaker 6: he had id. I didn't check that myself. But how

1879
01:25:45,634 --> 01:25:47,154
Speaker 6: do you just how do you play as much as

1880
01:25:47,194 --> 01:25:48,874
Speaker 6: he played? He didn't have a single target. He had

1881
01:25:48,954 --> 01:25:52,074
Speaker 6: one penalty and no targets. Like it's like he's out

1882
01:25:52,074 --> 01:25:53,834
Speaker 6: there to block, but they're not even looking towards him.

1883
01:25:53,834 --> 01:25:55,554
Speaker 6: I just I've never seen anything quite like it, and

1884
01:25:55,634 --> 01:25:57,874
Speaker 6: I just I'm questioning myself.

1885
01:25:57,514 --> 01:25:59,914
Speaker 4: A little bit on well, the whole situation I had

1886
01:25:59,994 --> 01:26:05,754
Speaker 4: Robert Gallery, you have Jaln Cook Scott write saying last

1887
01:26:05,794 --> 01:26:07,954
Speaker 4: week you were talking about longtime listener as well. I'll

1888
01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:10,394
Speaker 4: throw my hat in the ring. I've been listening since

1889
01:26:10,394 --> 01:26:12,994
Speaker 4: the days of Brian Moriy What was that in two

1890
01:26:13,034 --> 01:26:16,314
Speaker 4: thousand or two thousand and one. Yep. I almost always

1891
01:26:16,354 --> 01:26:18,394
Speaker 4: listened to the podcast, not live, and I don't believe

1892
01:26:18,434 --> 01:26:21,194
Speaker 4: I've ever missed an episode. Always been a favorite. I'm

1893
01:26:21,234 --> 01:26:23,154
Speaker 4: not sure that rate's a T shirt, but if it did,

1894
01:26:23,274 --> 01:26:25,714
Speaker 4: I'd be thrilled. Oh I'm the man A T shirt?

1895
01:26:26,034 --> 01:26:28,834
Speaker 4: We still do that, Matt, Matt Morrele, send him a

1896
01:26:28,874 --> 01:26:37,674
Speaker 4: T shirt. Be patient, yep, be patient, Cape Travis and

1897
01:26:37,714 --> 01:26:39,594
Speaker 4: West Virginia. I look forward to a time when we

1898
01:26:39,674 --> 01:26:42,794
Speaker 4: can surprise defenses by running the ball. Right now, it

1899
01:26:42,874 --> 01:26:45,154
Speaker 4: feels like every time we run, the whole stadium knows

1900
01:26:45,194 --> 01:26:48,074
Speaker 4: it's coming. I always thought Josh McDaniels was really good

1901
01:26:48,114 --> 01:26:51,234
Speaker 4: at calling running plays when the defense wasn't expecting it,

1902
01:26:51,554 --> 01:26:54,474
Speaker 4: But I realized the fear of Tom Brady throwing had

1903
01:26:54,514 --> 01:26:56,754
Speaker 4: a lot to do with that. Also, is it the

1904
01:26:56,834 --> 01:27:00,594
Speaker 4: pregame show or the pregame social? I thought you retired

1905
01:27:00,634 --> 01:27:03,114
Speaker 4: the term social, but no Socks calls it that all

1906
01:27:03,154 --> 01:27:07,554
Speaker 4: the time, not aware. I don't know. I think when

1907
01:27:07,594 --> 01:27:09,954
Speaker 4: we first started the show we did call it the

1908
01:27:09,994 --> 01:27:14,274
Speaker 4: pregame Social because it was on Facebook and Twitter, and

1909
01:27:14,954 --> 01:27:17,354
Speaker 4: you know, I think it was the first pregame show

1910
01:27:18,114 --> 01:27:22,274
Speaker 4: for a team on those suberg now, but it used

1911
01:27:22,314 --> 01:27:25,474
Speaker 4: to be the pregame Social, the world's largest virtual.

1912
01:27:25,634 --> 01:27:26,434
Speaker 5: Victual tail game.

1913
01:27:26,674 --> 01:27:29,034
Speaker 6: Yeah, demented and sad, but social.

1914
01:27:29,234 --> 01:27:32,274
Speaker 4: But now everything's on social, so it's not that big

1915
01:27:32,314 --> 01:27:32,634
Speaker 4: a deal.

1916
01:27:32,794 --> 01:27:35,554
Speaker 7: I feel like the runs on first Down or like

1917
01:27:35,634 --> 01:27:38,914
Speaker 7: everyone's biggest gripe with a VP right now, it's like,

1918
01:27:38,954 --> 01:27:40,834
Speaker 7: we're never supposed to run the ball on first down.

1919
01:27:41,034 --> 01:27:42,194
Speaker 19: I just.

1920
01:27:44,034 --> 01:27:45,634
Speaker 7: I think if you looked at the numbers, you'd be

1921
01:27:45,714 --> 01:27:49,114
Speaker 7: surprised at how evenly split they actually are when it

1922
01:27:49,194 --> 01:27:51,194
Speaker 7: comes to run pass on first down. This game they

1923
01:27:51,194 --> 01:27:52,794
Speaker 7: were I believe they were fifty to fifty.

1924
01:27:52,874 --> 01:27:56,554
Speaker 5: Actually last game, well, no, maybe maybe I'm talking about

1925
01:27:56,554 --> 01:27:59,754
Speaker 5: it might be the Tennessee game. They had nine first

1926
01:27:59,794 --> 01:28:02,434
Speaker 5: down runs in twenty one first down passes. Yeah, something

1927
01:28:02,514 --> 01:28:02,674
Speaker 5: like that.

1928
01:28:02,874 --> 01:28:07,554
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not. I think that the issue is that

1929
01:28:07,674 --> 01:28:09,634
Speaker 7: their run game has struggled a little bit, and so

1930
01:28:09,834 --> 01:28:12,594
Speaker 7: when the ones that stand out are it's now it's

1931
01:28:12,634 --> 01:28:14,314
Speaker 7: first and ten, Now it's second and ten because we

1932
01:28:14,394 --> 01:28:17,154
Speaker 7: got stuffed on first down running the football, but they're

1933
01:28:17,194 --> 01:28:20,474
Speaker 7: actually throwing the ball. Since Drake became the starter, at

1934
01:28:20,554 --> 01:28:21,514
Speaker 7: least I kind of thrown out.

1935
01:28:21,994 --> 01:28:23,594
Speaker 5: Yeah before that, that's all that was.

1936
01:28:23,674 --> 01:28:24,914
Speaker 6: Before that, Yeah, I blocked.

1937
01:28:25,394 --> 01:28:27,674
Speaker 7: Since Drake became a starter, they are actually one of

1938
01:28:27,714 --> 01:28:30,874
Speaker 7: the more aggressive early down passing teams in the league.

1939
01:28:31,474 --> 01:28:33,034
Speaker 7: So it doesn't really back it up.

1940
01:28:33,274 --> 01:28:35,234
Speaker 6: I liked it for the Rams. I like the Rams

1941
01:28:35,314 --> 01:28:37,514
Speaker 6: doing that against the Patriots. I thought they were that

1942
01:28:37,634 --> 01:28:39,234
Speaker 6: was a smart move for them. They had success to

1943
01:28:39,794 --> 01:28:40,994
Speaker 6: run it throwing the ball, I mean.

1944
01:28:40,954 --> 01:28:43,714
Speaker 4: On early downs kamell and Georgian writes in he has

1945
01:28:43,754 --> 01:28:47,674
Speaker 4: some questions. He says, I see people on X saying

1946
01:28:47,754 --> 01:28:50,154
Speaker 4: that the illegal formation penalty was a bad call. What

1947
01:28:50,234 --> 01:28:52,153
Speaker 4: do you guys think? I guess that's the one on low.

1948
01:28:52,074 --> 01:28:55,674
Speaker 7: Egregiously illegal both the left tackle.

1949
01:28:55,474 --> 01:28:57,514
Speaker 4: And the left good call.

1950
01:28:57,674 --> 01:28:58,634
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, they were worn twice.

1951
01:28:58,674 --> 01:29:01,274
Speaker 4: They know because he got caught three times in a

1952
01:29:01,394 --> 01:29:02,394
Speaker 4: row in preseason.

1953
01:29:02,434 --> 01:29:04,874
Speaker 7: So I actually would say that that was a core

1954
01:29:05,034 --> 01:29:07,754
Speaker 7: four not low Yeah, oh really yeah.

1955
01:29:08,234 --> 01:29:11,674
Speaker 5: And Gerard said specifically what Mike just said, like they

1956
01:29:11,714 --> 01:29:14,794
Speaker 5: had won them two previous times. He went over and said,

1957
01:29:14,794 --> 01:29:16,394
Speaker 5: that's the third time I warned him twice.

1958
01:29:16,554 --> 01:29:16,754
Speaker 27: Yeah.

1959
01:29:16,914 --> 01:29:18,794
Speaker 7: I actually thought that there was one later in the

1960
01:29:18,874 --> 01:29:21,154
Speaker 7: game too that could have been called again and they

1961
01:29:21,234 --> 01:29:24,034
Speaker 7: let it go. But I would put that more on

1962
01:29:24,274 --> 01:29:27,754
Speaker 7: Jordan because Lowe is lining up based off of the

1963
01:29:27,794 --> 01:29:30,794
Speaker 7: guy next to him and Jordan, So Jordan, if Jordan's

1964
01:29:30,794 --> 01:29:32,674
Speaker 7: off the line of scrimmage, then Low's going to be

1965
01:29:32,754 --> 01:29:34,994
Speaker 7: off the line of scrimmage. So it's both of their

1966
01:29:35,034 --> 01:29:37,674
Speaker 7: fault out of them already.

1967
01:29:37,874 --> 01:29:40,514
Speaker 5: Now that said, okay, I'm not telling you that it

1968
01:29:40,594 --> 01:29:43,794
Speaker 5: was a bad call. Can they just have some sort

1969
01:29:43,834 --> 01:29:47,154
Speaker 5: of like mandate as to what I want it called

1970
01:29:47,274 --> 01:29:49,754
Speaker 5: every time? If that's what you want. If this is

1971
01:29:49,914 --> 01:29:52,954
Speaker 5: like this big issue for the league, that these guys

1972
01:29:53,034 --> 01:29:56,474
Speaker 5: lining up a hair in the backfield is a huge issue,

1973
01:29:56,794 --> 01:29:59,154
Speaker 5: then throw the flag every time it happens. I don't

1974
01:29:59,194 --> 01:30:02,914
Speaker 5: want three one yes, right right now. If you're asking

1975
01:30:02,954 --> 01:30:04,874
Speaker 5: me what I would prefer as a fan to watch

1976
01:30:04,954 --> 01:30:07,354
Speaker 5: the game, just let it go. If he moves early,

1977
01:30:07,554 --> 01:30:12,874
Speaker 5: that's a penalty. Yeah, but that ironically enough, they get

1978
01:30:12,914 --> 01:30:15,354
Speaker 5: away with more more often than they should.

1979
01:30:15,554 --> 01:30:18,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but guy's timing the snap a little bit.

1980
01:30:18,354 --> 01:30:20,274
Speaker 7: I just it just thinks too that it seems to

1981
01:30:20,354 --> 01:30:23,274
Speaker 7: happen on these great off script Drake may plays like

1982
01:30:23,434 --> 01:30:26,434
Speaker 7: every time he makes one of the frustrating, these ridiculous plays.

1983
01:30:30,834 --> 01:30:33,074
Speaker 4: There was a play early in last night's game. It

1984
01:30:33,274 --> 01:30:39,274
Speaker 4: was ineligible man downfield tunsil negated touchdown by Nico Collins.

1985
01:30:39,354 --> 01:30:41,314
Speaker 4: That was just beautiful to see. I mean, and that

1986
01:30:41,434 --> 01:30:43,994
Speaker 4: guy runs. He's the thing about that was.

1987
01:30:44,194 --> 01:30:47,194
Speaker 7: In Chicago when it was the illegal man downfield that

1988
01:30:47,234 --> 01:30:50,154
Speaker 7: wiped out a good completion that Drake had it just

1989
01:30:50,194 --> 01:30:52,514
Speaker 7: seems like the play also works every time.

1990
01:30:54,914 --> 01:30:57,474
Speaker 4: I didn't understand the Stevenson run before the two minute

1991
01:30:57,514 --> 01:30:58,874
Speaker 4: warning on the final drive.

1992
01:31:02,394 --> 01:31:04,874
Speaker 5: It's a mean in all seriousness, it's a pretty common

1993
01:31:04,994 --> 01:31:07,834
Speaker 5: practice around. You know, they know the two minute warning

1994
01:31:07,914 --> 01:31:09,714
Speaker 5: is going to hit on this play they're hoping to catch,

1995
01:31:10,154 --> 01:31:11,714
Speaker 5: you know. To your point, I think this is the

1996
01:31:11,754 --> 01:31:13,634
Speaker 5: same email that said that they'd like to be less

1997
01:31:13,674 --> 01:31:17,114
Speaker 5: predictable when they run right right, that's that's that's a

1998
01:31:17,194 --> 01:31:20,794
Speaker 5: non predictable run that unfortunately is kind of fallen into

1999
01:31:20,834 --> 01:31:23,314
Speaker 5: the predictable category because I think a lot of teams

2000
01:31:23,394 --> 01:31:26,234
Speaker 5: do it. I don't really care for it, especially when

2001
01:31:26,234 --> 01:31:28,514
Speaker 5: I have Drake May cooking. As Evan likes to say.

2002
01:31:28,674 --> 01:31:31,234
Speaker 4: The other defense is loaded up for pass. They've got,

2003
01:31:31,634 --> 01:31:34,114
Speaker 4: you know, smaller people out there, and you're not going

2004
01:31:34,194 --> 01:31:36,434
Speaker 4: to kill yourself with the clock by doing it.

2005
01:31:36,594 --> 01:31:39,434
Speaker 7: Right if it considered it a free play, basically, the

2006
01:31:39,434 --> 01:31:40,914
Speaker 7: clock's gonna stop anyway, right.

2007
01:31:40,834 --> 01:31:44,194
Speaker 5: And Kevin Falk always got fifteen will you guys make

2008
01:31:44,314 --> 01:31:46,874
Speaker 5: would you guys have made the Rams punt again after

2009
01:31:46,954 --> 01:31:48,234
Speaker 5: the penalty or take the yards?

2010
01:31:48,394 --> 01:31:51,274
Speaker 4: So that was something we've talked about. Apparently they did decide.

2011
01:31:51,154 --> 01:31:53,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have made him rekick it. Yeah, I

2012
01:31:53,994 --> 01:31:57,274
Speaker 5: would have made him rekick it and hope that he

2013
01:31:57,874 --> 01:32:00,354
Speaker 5: doesn't get a good kickoff. I hope it goes in

2014
01:32:00,354 --> 01:32:02,314
Speaker 5: the end zone. You get a free twenty three ten

2015
01:32:02,394 --> 01:32:04,434
Speaker 5: yards and go out to the Like to me, you're

2016
01:32:04,434 --> 01:32:07,714
Speaker 5: gonna start at the ten. What's the difference if if

2017
01:32:07,754 --> 01:32:09,954
Speaker 5: he gets a better punt than that, which is not easy,

2018
01:32:10,514 --> 01:32:12,754
Speaker 5: so you start out with the six or the four? Like,

2019
01:32:12,874 --> 01:32:13,594
Speaker 5: is there a difference?

2020
01:32:13,914 --> 01:32:14,194
Speaker 4: Really?

2021
01:32:14,514 --> 01:32:16,114
Speaker 5: But I think if he puts it in the end

2022
01:32:16,234 --> 01:32:17,914
Speaker 5: zone and you start at the twenty, there is a

2023
01:32:17,914 --> 01:32:18,794
Speaker 5: little bit of a difference.

2024
01:32:19,634 --> 01:32:22,234
Speaker 4: Also, the Jets fire GM Joe Douglas, what do you

2025
01:32:22,274 --> 01:32:23,714
Speaker 4: think about that? Yeah?

2026
01:32:23,834 --> 01:32:25,794
Speaker 7: Can I just on the punt real quick and then

2027
01:32:25,794 --> 01:32:28,474
Speaker 7: we can talk about that. I don't mean to sound

2028
01:32:28,514 --> 01:32:30,554
Speaker 7: like vulgar here, but I'm going to a little bit.

2029
01:32:31,154 --> 01:32:33,514
Speaker 7: Are we sure that Gerrod like knows what he's doing

2030
01:32:33,834 --> 01:32:36,154
Speaker 7: in those situations? Like, and I don't mean to be like,

2031
01:32:36,234 --> 01:32:37,954
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to say that to be a jerk, Like,

2032
01:32:38,194 --> 01:32:40,874
Speaker 7: are we sure that he has control of the situation right?

2033
01:32:40,994 --> 01:32:41,034
Speaker 10: Like?

2034
01:32:41,154 --> 01:32:41,394
Speaker 4: Does he?

2035
01:32:42,034 --> 01:32:46,234
Speaker 7: Because it seems to me like those things happen and

2036
01:32:46,354 --> 01:32:48,914
Speaker 7: he's kind of just like okay, let's just you know.

2037
01:32:49,034 --> 01:32:51,914
Speaker 5: Let's you know what I mean, Like I just I said,

2038
01:32:51,954 --> 01:32:53,754
Speaker 5: you said he did, I mean, he said he didn't

2039
01:32:53,754 --> 01:32:55,714
Speaker 5: want to give them another chance to pin him closer. Now,

2040
01:32:56,474 --> 01:32:59,074
Speaker 5: you could have made an argument that time they didn't

2041
01:32:59,074 --> 01:33:00,954
Speaker 5: want to have another eight or ten seconds go off

2042
01:33:00,994 --> 01:33:02,954
Speaker 5: the clock. I just don't think time was a factor.

2043
01:33:04,114 --> 01:33:06,674
Speaker 5: You had the two minute warning coming and a time out. Yeah,

2044
01:33:06,994 --> 01:33:08,674
Speaker 5: you weren't going to run out of time. It was

2045
01:33:08,794 --> 01:33:11,874
Speaker 5: can you get ninety yards? I don't think time was

2046
01:33:11,874 --> 01:33:12,674
Speaker 5: going to be a factor.

2047
01:33:12,874 --> 01:33:16,634
Speaker 7: I just wonder if you know, are you a step

2048
01:33:16,714 --> 01:33:20,194
Speaker 7: ahead in these situations? Right, Like obviously you're not thinking

2049
01:33:20,314 --> 01:33:22,914
Speaker 7: that that's necessarily going to happen, but like if it

2050
01:33:23,034 --> 01:33:25,994
Speaker 7: does happen, like what's your what's your plan? Like you

2051
01:33:26,154 --> 01:33:28,714
Speaker 7: need to have you know, Bill would have a million.

2052
01:33:29,114 --> 01:33:32,514
Speaker 7: Like all these things were always all like predetermined, right

2053
01:33:32,634 --> 01:33:34,754
Speaker 7: like if we're gonna run it on third down, because

2054
01:33:34,754 --> 01:33:36,714
Speaker 7: we're gonna go for it on fourth or we're gonna

2055
01:33:36,874 --> 01:33:39,834
Speaker 7: you know, it just seems like we're flip flopping, he

2056
01:33:39,954 --> 01:33:42,394
Speaker 7: said on third down. If they had gained more yards

2057
01:33:42,434 --> 01:33:44,994
Speaker 7: on third down and we're closer, he would have gone

2058
01:33:45,074 --> 01:33:46,754
Speaker 7: for it on fourth down, And to me, it's like,

2059
01:33:46,794 --> 01:33:49,194
Speaker 7: what difference does it make? Like if you if you're

2060
01:33:49,274 --> 01:33:51,194
Speaker 7: running it on third down, it's because you're telling your

2061
01:33:51,234 --> 01:33:53,314
Speaker 7: coordinator that you have two plays to get.

2062
01:33:53,274 --> 01:33:57,154
Speaker 5: This, but you're also not expecting to get nothing on

2063
01:33:57,274 --> 01:33:58,914
Speaker 5: this on the third I suppose.

2064
01:33:59,154 --> 01:34:01,394
Speaker 7: Now you're taking the all out of Drake's hands right

2065
01:34:01,554 --> 01:34:04,234
Speaker 7: on third down, Like if Van Pelt had known that

2066
01:34:04,394 --> 01:34:06,594
Speaker 7: they were gonna they weren't they were gonna kick the

2067
01:34:06,634 --> 01:34:08,834
Speaker 7: field goal on fourth down. I have to think that

2068
01:34:09,274 --> 01:34:11,154
Speaker 7: it's a different play call than what it ends up

2069
01:34:11,154 --> 01:34:12,073
Speaker 7: being on third.

2070
01:34:12,274 --> 01:34:14,594
Speaker 5: So I this one, I'm gonna be a little defensive

2071
01:34:14,794 --> 01:34:18,834
Speaker 5: because I think if you if you're planning on going

2072
01:34:18,874 --> 01:34:23,314
Speaker 5: for it on fourth down, the right thing you can

2073
01:34:23,354 --> 01:34:24,914
Speaker 5: make an argument is to run the ball because I

2074
01:34:24,954 --> 01:34:27,354
Speaker 5: got down to get Yeah, I agree with that. The yards.

2075
01:34:27,554 --> 01:34:30,554
Speaker 5: So when you don't get any because you're not expecting

2076
01:34:31,074 --> 01:34:34,274
Speaker 5: like an incomplete pass, which is nothing, Well, so now

2077
01:34:34,354 --> 01:34:35,954
Speaker 5: how many times does that happen? And say, well, if

2078
01:34:35,954 --> 01:34:37,514
Speaker 5: you're gonna go for a full down, why not run

2079
01:34:37,554 --> 01:34:40,114
Speaker 5: it twice? But when you get nothing because you're not

2080
01:34:40,154 --> 01:34:43,434
Speaker 5: expecting to get nothing, that's the fail there. I can

2081
01:34:43,634 --> 01:34:46,954
Speaker 5: understand him thinking that way. In my mind, we have

2082
01:34:47,034 --> 01:34:49,154
Speaker 5: two plays to get this, but I didn't realize we

2083
01:34:49,194 --> 01:34:51,794
Speaker 5: weren't going to get any yards on the third down play.

2084
01:34:52,874 --> 01:34:54,474
Speaker 5: I mean, I still would have gone for it. I

2085
01:34:54,594 --> 01:34:55,674
Speaker 5: just think I talked about.

2086
01:34:55,554 --> 01:34:58,714
Speaker 7: The ruins the process, right, because like if you're Van

2087
01:34:58,794 --> 01:35:01,594
Speaker 7: Pelt and I had heard McDaniel's I think he was

2088
01:35:01,634 --> 01:35:06,034
Speaker 7: on Colin Coward last week. Was it he was talking about?

2089
01:35:06,794 --> 01:35:09,914
Speaker 7: Coward asked him how often Bill was in his ear

2090
01:35:10,034 --> 01:35:13,954
Speaker 7: during games when he was calling plays, and McDaniels said,

2091
01:35:13,954 --> 01:35:16,074
Speaker 7: the only thing that Bill ever talked to him about

2092
01:35:16,394 --> 01:35:19,434
Speaker 7: with situations just like that. So Bill would come over

2093
01:35:19,514 --> 01:35:21,554
Speaker 7: the headset and say, Josh, you have two plays to

2094
01:35:21,594 --> 01:35:23,914
Speaker 7: get it here. So that way he calls a third

2095
01:35:24,034 --> 01:35:26,754
Speaker 7: down knowing that he's has fourth down in his back

2096
01:35:26,834 --> 01:35:29,674
Speaker 7: pocket if they need it. So if you're Girod and

2097
01:35:29,794 --> 01:35:32,354
Speaker 7: you say to Van Pell, hey, we have two plays

2098
01:35:32,394 --> 01:35:35,073
Speaker 7: to get this, that changes the third down play.

2099
01:35:34,914 --> 01:35:37,314
Speaker 5: Call, right, But to me it changes it to a run.

2100
01:35:38,074 --> 01:35:40,274
Speaker 7: Yeah, But like it just changes the whole thing though,

2101
01:35:40,354 --> 01:35:42,554
Speaker 7: like it, if you're it could change it to a run,

2102
01:35:42,634 --> 01:35:45,554
Speaker 7: It could change the type of run because like you're thinking,

2103
01:35:45,714 --> 01:35:48,954
Speaker 7: like it you know now it's third and two. So

2104
01:35:49,074 --> 01:35:51,834
Speaker 7: even if I only get one yard running reminder into

2105
01:35:51,874 --> 01:35:53,714
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage, now I'm going to do it again.

2106
01:35:53,794 --> 01:35:55,714
Speaker 7: I'm going to do it again. Right Whereas if you

2107
01:35:55,994 --> 01:35:57,714
Speaker 7: know that that's the only play that you.

2108
01:35:57,874 --> 01:36:01,074
Speaker 4: Have right now, it's a two point conversion right.

2109
01:36:01,394 --> 01:36:03,514
Speaker 5: Now, it's as certain. That's what I'm saying. I can

2110
01:36:03,634 --> 01:36:05,634
Speaker 5: kind of give Mayo a little bit of slack there, right.

2111
01:36:06,514 --> 01:36:09,514
Speaker 4: David new Hampshire about the field goal decision, says, I

2112
01:36:09,554 --> 01:36:11,274
Speaker 4: think a lot of people are forgetting that it was

2113
01:36:11,354 --> 01:36:13,634
Speaker 4: seven to nothing for that field goal decision. I've heard

2114
01:36:13,634 --> 01:36:15,874
Speaker 4: a lot of they couldn't stop the Rams all day

2115
01:36:16,314 --> 01:36:19,594
Speaker 4: about opting to punt, but that's objectively not true when

2116
01:36:19,674 --> 01:36:20,714
Speaker 4: the decision was made.

2117
01:36:20,834 --> 01:36:23,074
Speaker 5: I haven't heard any of that about that field goal.

2118
01:36:23,194 --> 01:36:25,754
Speaker 5: That's that's the one early in the game, the fifty five, right.

2119
01:36:25,874 --> 01:36:29,234
Speaker 5: All I've heard about that is Sly struggles and right

2120
01:36:29,794 --> 01:36:32,514
Speaker 5: he did, and Sly himself said it after the game.

2121
01:36:32,714 --> 01:36:34,834
Speaker 7: Yeah, especially to the banner's end of the stadium.

2122
01:36:35,234 --> 01:36:38,114
Speaker 4: The wind was swirling and the other kicker had trouble too.

2123
01:36:38,274 --> 01:36:38,474
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2124
01:36:38,634 --> 01:36:40,994
Speaker 5: Now the other part of that is, and I don't

2125
01:36:41,034 --> 01:36:43,554
Speaker 5: think this has gotten enough criticism. All we want to

2126
01:36:43,554 --> 01:36:46,194
Speaker 5: do is make fun of Alex van Pelt and then

2127
01:36:46,274 --> 01:36:50,274
Speaker 5: the defense. But it's another game. Another area of special

2128
01:36:50,314 --> 01:36:54,074
Speaker 5: teams continues to hurt the Patriots. So everybody talks about

2129
01:36:54,074 --> 01:36:57,073
Speaker 5: the block, pat No one really talks about the ensuing

2130
01:36:57,194 --> 01:36:59,994
Speaker 5: kickoff that was returned to the thirty five yard line.

2131
01:36:59,994 --> 01:37:00,954
Speaker 5: At thirty four yard line.

2132
01:37:00,954 --> 01:37:01,954
Speaker 4: You talked about that last week.

2133
01:37:02,194 --> 01:37:05,154
Speaker 5: We know, we talked about the post show, but elsewhere.

2134
01:37:05,434 --> 01:37:07,754
Speaker 5: So there's another one. So you pass up a fifty

2135
01:37:07,794 --> 01:37:09,714
Speaker 5: five yard field goal and then what do you do?

2136
01:37:10,274 --> 01:37:12,554
Speaker 5: You punt the ball into the end zone. Like that's

2137
01:37:12,594 --> 01:37:14,154
Speaker 5: just that's not what you're looking for.

2138
01:37:14,434 --> 01:37:15,594
Speaker 7: The punter has not been good.

2139
01:37:15,954 --> 01:37:19,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that's another special team's breakdown, self inflicted wounds.

2140
01:37:20,594 --> 01:37:24,834
Speaker 4: Let's go back to the TPX hotline. Excuse me, eight

2141
01:37:24,914 --> 01:37:27,674
Speaker 4: five past five hundred. Joe's in Delaware.

2142
01:37:27,794 --> 01:37:32,554
Speaker 5: Hey, Joe, Joe, it's just Joe Biden.

2143
01:37:32,674 --> 01:37:36,194
Speaker 4: Yojoe, it could be Delaware, as your president, mister President,

2144
01:37:37,834 --> 01:37:41,034
Speaker 4: not there, All right, we'll move down. We'll move up

2145
01:37:41,074 --> 01:37:43,714
Speaker 4: to Agawam. Patty's there. What's up? Patty?

2146
01:37:45,834 --> 01:37:49,514
Speaker 10: Good afternoon, gents. Joe was probably just taking enough, could

2147
01:37:49,554 --> 01:37:53,394
Speaker 10: be so I gotta say I agree with Deuce. You

2148
01:37:53,434 --> 01:37:56,074
Speaker 10: can kind of see, like tangibly, Drake may getting better

2149
01:37:56,394 --> 01:37:59,514
Speaker 10: every week right before our eyes. And I also wanted

2150
01:37:59,514 --> 01:38:02,434
Speaker 10: to go back to when you guys were discussing the offseason.

2151
01:38:02,714 --> 01:38:05,314
Speaker 10: I don't know about you guys, but to me, this

2152
01:38:05,434 --> 01:38:08,194
Speaker 10: feels like kind of swim pickens in the series draft

2153
01:38:08,594 --> 01:38:11,074
Speaker 10: and the free agency. I always try and look ahead,

2154
01:38:11,074 --> 01:38:13,914
Speaker 10: no matter how good the team's doing, but there are

2155
01:38:13,994 --> 01:38:16,074
Speaker 10: some guys in free agency that I think could help

2156
01:38:16,114 --> 01:38:18,474
Speaker 10: the team. Like I believe DJ Regents can be a

2157
01:38:18,554 --> 01:38:20,794
Speaker 10: free agent yep, and I think he. I think he'd

2158
01:38:20,834 --> 01:38:22,954
Speaker 10: be a good addition as a number two corner next

2159
01:38:22,994 --> 01:38:26,714
Speaker 10: to Gonzales and dis Eas Jilari. But aside from that,

2160
01:38:27,194 --> 01:38:30,594
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know, Paul. I'm with you too, man.

2161
01:38:30,674 --> 01:38:33,114
Speaker 10: They need to they need to bolster up the depth,

2162
01:38:33,474 --> 01:38:36,274
Speaker 10: and that's something that we've been seeing with this team.

2163
01:38:36,354 --> 01:38:41,914
Speaker 10: I mean, if they they you know, they get behind

2164
01:38:41,954 --> 01:38:44,154
Speaker 10: a little bit, it just seems like they can never

2165
01:38:44,794 --> 01:38:47,274
Speaker 10: you know, put that drive, that final drive together to

2166
01:38:47,394 --> 01:38:49,234
Speaker 10: win the game. We've seen him do it and tie

2167
01:38:49,314 --> 01:38:51,434
Speaker 10: the game this year, but I just want to see

2168
01:38:51,514 --> 01:38:54,554
Speaker 10: him get over that humph. Yeah, and it might have

2169
01:38:54,674 --> 01:38:56,594
Speaker 10: to be like another couple of years before we see

2170
01:38:56,634 --> 01:38:58,794
Speaker 10: this team seriously contend for a playoff spot.

2171
01:38:59,714 --> 01:39:02,634
Speaker 4: Got all right, thanks Patty. They could do it next year.

2172
01:39:02,754 --> 01:39:05,074
Speaker 7: They shouldn't need that much time. I always am weary

2173
01:39:05,114 --> 01:39:07,674
Speaker 7: of because I've heard this one. It's not just Patty

2174
01:39:07,954 --> 01:39:12,234
Speaker 7: about this not being a great draft class, especially when

2175
01:39:12,314 --> 01:39:14,114
Speaker 7: you hear that it's about the top of the draft, right,

2176
01:39:14,194 --> 01:39:16,354
Speaker 7: it's not about no one knows what pick one eight

2177
01:39:16,754 --> 01:39:17,514
Speaker 7: six is going to be.

2178
01:39:17,634 --> 01:39:18,754
Speaker 5: But there's no quarterbacks.

2179
01:39:18,914 --> 01:39:21,914
Speaker 7: Yeah, so there's no there's no great quarterbacks. And I

2180
01:39:21,994 --> 01:39:24,514
Speaker 7: always push back on that because you know, we don't

2181
01:39:24,554 --> 01:39:26,074
Speaker 7: know any of these are going to be in two

2182
01:39:26,194 --> 01:39:28,154
Speaker 7: or three years. So you can sit there and say

2183
01:39:28,234 --> 01:39:30,434
Speaker 7: it's not a great draft class, and you know, then

2184
01:39:30,514 --> 01:39:33,194
Speaker 7: Will Campbell's the next Joe Thomas and Tep McMillan is

2185
01:39:33,274 --> 01:39:35,434
Speaker 7: you know, Julio Jones, and like, you know, it just

2186
01:39:35,594 --> 01:39:38,194
Speaker 7: it can just happen like that. So I wouldn't worry

2187
01:39:38,234 --> 01:39:40,154
Speaker 7: too much about it being a down year.

2188
01:39:39,994 --> 01:39:40,394
Speaker 4: In the draft.

2189
01:39:40,514 --> 01:39:42,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, me neither, And I don't. I mean, they need

2190
01:39:43,074 --> 01:39:46,314
Speaker 5: more than depth, they need talent. Yeah, like they this

2191
01:39:46,634 --> 01:39:49,034
Speaker 5: that's why it's hard And like I know, Patty was

2192
01:39:49,074 --> 01:39:50,754
Speaker 5: saying it's going to be at least a couple of years,

2193
01:39:50,834 --> 01:39:53,034
Speaker 5: Like it's hard to get everything they need in one

2194
01:39:53,114 --> 01:39:56,914
Speaker 5: year to be a contender for a playoff spot. The

2195
01:39:56,994 --> 01:39:59,514
Speaker 5: quarterback looks like he's gonna put you in contention to

2196
01:39:59,594 --> 01:40:00,554
Speaker 5: have a decent offense.

2197
01:40:00,754 --> 01:40:02,354
Speaker 4: Costallana's gonna be available.

2198
01:40:02,594 --> 01:40:07,394
Speaker 6: Hey, where's he going? I know one other name just

2199
01:40:07,434 --> 01:40:08,794
Speaker 6: to throw out there too, and I don't even know

2200
01:40:08,834 --> 01:40:12,674
Speaker 6: if he fits. But last week we heard richardson the

2201
01:40:13,074 --> 01:40:15,434
Speaker 6: defensive tackle coach talk a lot about Kenny Clark, and

2202
01:40:15,514 --> 01:40:17,314
Speaker 6: he'll be a free agent too. But he's another guy

2203
01:40:17,394 --> 01:40:20,154
Speaker 6: who I know they really like and could use, maybe

2204
01:40:20,194 --> 01:40:22,434
Speaker 6: a defensive front guy. He's another one who hit free

2205
01:40:22,474 --> 01:40:23,074
Speaker 6: agency next year.

2206
01:40:23,154 --> 01:40:25,394
Speaker 7: Yeah, DJ Reed, I looked up the corners. Was we're

2207
01:40:25,434 --> 01:40:26,914
Speaker 7: talking about it, J Reid, that's it.

2208
01:40:27,194 --> 01:40:29,034
Speaker 5: I like that name as Ward.

2209
01:40:29,954 --> 01:40:33,314
Speaker 7: Carlton Davis is a free agent. DJ reads a free

2210
01:40:33,394 --> 01:40:37,994
Speaker 7: agent some other like agent guys reads a good one.

2211
01:40:38,034 --> 01:40:40,314
Speaker 6: Other thing I can't shake Evan is that pretty much.

2212
01:40:40,354 --> 01:40:41,994
Speaker 6: And I like just looking at the mock drafts right

2213
01:40:41,994 --> 01:40:43,514
Speaker 6: now just to start to get a you know, a

2214
01:40:43,594 --> 01:40:44,314
Speaker 6: knowledge of the guys.

2215
01:40:44,354 --> 01:40:46,073
Speaker 5: But even't like doing that in like February.

2216
01:40:46,314 --> 01:40:49,434
Speaker 6: There's like six edge guys that go in the first

2217
01:40:49,514 --> 01:40:51,354
Speaker 6: round in most of these mock drafts. So yeah, you know,

2218
01:40:51,434 --> 01:40:53,754
Speaker 6: it's one of those I don't know yet.

2219
01:40:53,794 --> 01:40:56,034
Speaker 7: I don't know yet, but I really defensive line.

2220
01:40:56,154 --> 01:40:57,954
Speaker 6: So it's going to come to that debate that we

2221
01:40:58,074 --> 01:41:00,634
Speaker 6: often have, which is do you wait to get the

2222
01:41:00,714 --> 01:41:02,634
Speaker 6: one left over or do you go early and try

2223
01:41:02,634 --> 01:41:03,074
Speaker 6: to get the best.

2224
01:41:03,234 --> 01:41:06,954
Speaker 5: So I tell you the old miss guys pretty good

2225
01:41:07,154 --> 01:41:10,994
Speaker 5: edge rushers. Ye, there's another team I saw this week

2226
01:41:11,074 --> 01:41:14,874
Speaker 5: that had constant pressure off the edges. There's some good athletes.

2227
01:41:14,874 --> 01:41:16,994
Speaker 5: I don't know where they're all supposed to go. You know,

2228
01:41:17,354 --> 01:41:20,914
Speaker 5: last year I had that. The guy from UCLA was like,

2229
01:41:21,194 --> 01:41:23,514
Speaker 5: you know, the top fifteen pick I had. You know,

2230
01:41:23,874 --> 01:41:26,274
Speaker 5: I don't lot to I don't do any of the

2231
01:41:26,554 --> 01:41:29,674
Speaker 5: mock drafts and stuff. Fred. I just identify talent as

2232
01:41:29,914 --> 01:41:32,194
Speaker 5: you guys, slot them where you want to slat them.

2233
01:41:32,514 --> 01:41:36,354
Speaker 7: I like, yeah, no, it's the defensive prospects at the

2234
01:41:36,394 --> 01:41:40,394
Speaker 7: top of this draft. There's quite a few interior defensive lineman,

2235
01:41:40,594 --> 01:41:44,074
Speaker 7: edge guys, corners. You know, Will Johnson from Michigan's a

2236
01:41:44,114 --> 01:41:46,394
Speaker 7: hell of a corner, uh, you know him and Travis

2237
01:41:46,474 --> 01:41:49,834
Speaker 7: Hunter are going to be highly drafted at that position.

2238
01:41:50,914 --> 01:41:53,714
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's a good It's probably a better defense

2239
01:41:53,834 --> 01:41:55,834
Speaker 7: draft this year. Last year was all offense. This year,

2240
01:41:55,834 --> 01:41:56,674
Speaker 7: I'd say the defense.

2241
01:41:56,874 --> 01:42:04,034
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go back to the tpx utline. Brian's in Indiana. Heye, Brian, Brian.

2242
01:42:05,314 --> 01:42:08,634
Speaker 4: These people are very impatient because they're on their lunch.

2243
01:42:08,714 --> 01:42:11,194
Speaker 5: And then yeah, boss walks by and he was waiting

2244
01:42:11,194 --> 01:42:12,194
Speaker 5: for forty minutes.

2245
01:42:12,354 --> 01:42:13,834
Speaker 18: Yeah, well you know that's.

2246
01:42:13,714 --> 01:42:18,194
Speaker 4: What it happens. Busy show. We'll go up to North Carolina.

2247
01:42:18,634 --> 01:42:20,073
Speaker 4: Eldred's there. What's up? Eldrid?

2248
01:42:21,314 --> 01:42:22,714
Speaker 24: Hey today?

2249
01:42:22,754 --> 01:42:25,514
Speaker 7: All right, Taylor, Yeah, I.

2250
01:42:25,474 --> 01:42:28,234
Speaker 27: Ain't in the truck them off, but uh, the listen,

2251
01:42:28,434 --> 01:42:30,954
Speaker 27: listen to the show. And I like Jordan's comments and

2252
01:42:31,034 --> 01:42:34,914
Speaker 27: everything by Pope. Uh, have y'all seen that new new

2253
01:42:35,074 --> 01:42:41,194
Speaker 27: seed about our Los Angeles Chargers The trade they made

2254
01:42:41,234 --> 01:42:44,394
Speaker 27: with us doing the draft, like seemed to be a robbery.

2255
01:42:45,234 --> 01:42:48,234
Speaker 7: McConkie, Yeah, Lad McConkie.

2256
01:42:48,274 --> 01:42:53,394
Speaker 27: And then yeah, yeah, well we traded and got they

2257
01:42:53,474 --> 01:42:57,994
Speaker 27: got lat McConkie and that corner to keep something which

2258
01:42:58,114 --> 01:43:04,874
Speaker 27: is starting and they are seventy three. Yeah, the piel

2259
01:43:04,914 --> 01:43:07,474
Speaker 27: frown and it then cam Hart too, and they're starting

2260
01:43:07,554 --> 01:43:11,954
Speaker 27: the defense their corners need. And we got Jaylen Polk

2261
01:43:12,034 --> 01:43:15,994
Speaker 27: and ja Yvonne Baker. Well Cutley got that Fred guy

2262
01:43:17,114 --> 01:43:22,834
Speaker 27: forty three sixty forty three receptions, fifteen touchdown.

2263
01:43:23,594 --> 01:43:24,034
Speaker 5: Played well.

2264
01:43:24,114 --> 01:43:24,754
Speaker 4: One receiver.

2265
01:43:25,274 --> 01:43:28,073
Speaker 5: It's guys played well. And you know he's.

2266
01:43:29,634 --> 01:43:33,954
Speaker 4: Am I not a wide receiver, whisper I identify help them.

2267
01:43:34,314 --> 01:43:37,114
Speaker 5: I'll give you Justin Jefferson, a lad McConkie.

2268
01:43:36,834 --> 01:43:39,074
Speaker 4: Christian Watson pretty good.

2269
01:43:39,114 --> 01:43:41,434
Speaker 5: Don't recall you being that high on Christian Watson, but

2270
01:43:41,554 --> 01:43:43,154
Speaker 5: I would say he's been sort of hot.

2271
01:43:43,714 --> 01:43:47,594
Speaker 7: Giving Justin Jefferson, yeah, oh no, no he I.

2272
01:43:47,594 --> 01:43:50,474
Speaker 5: Mean Justin Jefferson was not like Marvin Harrison coming out

2273
01:43:50,714 --> 01:43:53,314
Speaker 5: like he wasn't supposed to be top five pick you

2274
01:43:53,354 --> 01:43:57,194
Speaker 5: go like eighteen twenty one, and I mean, like when

2275
01:43:57,234 --> 01:43:59,514
Speaker 5: I tell you fed loved.

2276
01:43:59,434 --> 01:44:03,194
Speaker 4: I was like banging, you know, as I was banging

2277
01:44:03,274 --> 01:44:03,954
Speaker 4: the table.

2278
01:44:04,634 --> 01:44:06,514
Speaker 5: To give Fred credit for anything. Come on, are you gritty?

2279
01:44:06,554 --> 01:44:07,074
Speaker 7: Pretty gritty?

2280
01:44:07,114 --> 01:44:08,154
Speaker 6: He didn't even see the gritty yet.

2281
01:44:08,194 --> 01:44:11,114
Speaker 7: He just liked them. I mean, Justin Jefferson was of

2282
01:44:11,194 --> 01:44:12,234
Speaker 7: a prospect anyways.

2283
01:44:12,634 --> 01:44:15,554
Speaker 5: Good job for so. My only thing with draft day

2284
01:44:15,634 --> 01:44:19,194
Speaker 5: trades and Eldrid's right, Listen, that's just a trade that

2285
01:44:19,274 --> 01:44:20,834
Speaker 5: we're going to look back on and say, ah, that's

2286
01:44:20,954 --> 01:44:23,674
Speaker 5: that's a tough one. But I don't necessarily look at

2287
01:44:23,674 --> 01:44:28,554
Speaker 5: the individuals taken. You traded down from whatever it was

2288
01:44:28,714 --> 01:44:31,354
Speaker 5: thirty was it thirty three to thirty seven or something

2289
01:44:31,474 --> 01:44:35,154
Speaker 5: like that, and thirty four to thirty seven, and you

2290
01:44:35,234 --> 01:44:37,594
Speaker 5: picked up a fourth round pick and gave a fifth

2291
01:44:37,674 --> 01:44:40,754
Speaker 5: round pick. The fact that the Chargers pick better players

2292
01:44:40,794 --> 01:44:42,834
Speaker 5: than you picked is drafting.

2293
01:44:43,074 --> 01:44:43,754
Speaker 27: That's my point.

2294
01:44:43,834 --> 01:44:44,434
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

2295
01:44:45,114 --> 01:44:46,794
Speaker 4: That's draft talent evaluations?

2296
01:44:46,874 --> 01:44:49,594
Speaker 5: Right, That's that's drafting, and the Chargers deserve credit for

2297
01:44:49,674 --> 01:44:52,834
Speaker 5: picking guys. But I don't necessarily look at the trade

2298
01:44:52,834 --> 01:44:55,034
Speaker 5: that they made as being a heist, right, do you

2299
01:44:55,074 --> 01:44:57,594
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like trading down three or four

2300
01:44:57,634 --> 01:44:59,634
Speaker 5: spots in the second round to add a fourth rounder

2301
01:44:59,954 --> 01:45:02,154
Speaker 5: as opposed to a fifth rounder, Like, that's not a

2302
01:45:02,234 --> 01:45:06,274
Speaker 5: bad trade. Now it's looking terrible, like Eldrid said, because

2303
01:45:06,834 --> 01:45:09,514
Speaker 5: you could have taken Lad McConkie instead of Jalen Polk

2304
01:45:09,834 --> 01:45:11,354
Speaker 5: and Lad McConkie has been pretty good.

2305
01:45:11,474 --> 01:45:14,114
Speaker 4: That's the problem. You took a wide receiver right with

2306
01:45:14,274 --> 01:45:14,594
Speaker 4: the pick.

2307
01:45:14,714 --> 01:45:17,354
Speaker 7: Well, all those picks, you know, Xavier look at Lad

2308
01:45:17,514 --> 01:45:20,474
Speaker 7: McConkie's Xavier Worthy, Kean Coleman like.

2309
01:45:21,034 --> 01:45:22,634
Speaker 5: Coleman's been better than I thought he would be.

2310
01:45:22,674 --> 01:45:24,994
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, a little bit, that is

2311
01:45:25,474 --> 01:45:29,154
Speaker 7: a j Brown Deebo Samuel DK metcalf like that's that

2312
01:45:29,554 --> 01:45:30,834
Speaker 7: version again?

2313
01:45:30,954 --> 01:45:35,194
Speaker 4: Yea, all right? What else, Eldrick ye Evan, Yes, sir.

2314
01:45:35,634 --> 01:45:37,074
Speaker 27: I'm gonna give you a fly with sir.

2315
01:45:37,794 --> 01:45:38,994
Speaker 4: Oh all ordered.

2316
01:45:39,034 --> 01:45:41,314
Speaker 27: My jersey in my cap should be here about next week.

2317
01:45:42,514 --> 01:45:44,914
Speaker 27: And he does look a little different, a lot different

2318
01:45:45,034 --> 01:45:49,074
Speaker 27: rather and Mike even the basketot keeps doing the interceptions,

2319
01:45:49,114 --> 01:45:51,874
Speaker 27: even Brady, so he's not gonna get out of that.

2320
01:45:52,634 --> 01:45:56,834
Speaker 27: And and I'm gonna go with what but the guy

2321
01:45:56,914 --> 01:46:00,714
Speaker 27: that called the game Sunday on the radio, I think

2322
01:46:00,794 --> 01:46:03,154
Speaker 27: that was Pop's fault from not looking back.

2323
01:46:02,994 --> 01:46:06,674
Speaker 4: At the ball. Okay, all right, I think you have

2324
01:46:06,714 --> 01:46:07,914
Speaker 4: a good one, right, Thanks, Eldrick.

2325
01:46:07,954 --> 01:46:08,194
Speaker 7: Thanks.

2326
01:46:08,994 --> 01:46:11,474
Speaker 4: They're talking about Belichick going to the Jaguars. Is that

2327
01:46:11,754 --> 01:46:15,914
Speaker 4: all stemming from the Florio conjecture or was there is

2328
01:46:15,954 --> 01:46:16,714
Speaker 4: there more to that?

2329
01:46:16,954 --> 01:46:18,794
Speaker 7: I just think any opening job he is gonna be.

2330
01:46:19,154 --> 01:46:25,154
Speaker 5: I've heard nothing all year but Jacksonville, Philly, Dallas Giants

2331
01:46:25,874 --> 01:46:27,634
Speaker 5: like they're all assuming that all those jobs are going

2332
01:46:27,674 --> 01:46:32,834
Speaker 5: to be open. And Bill will that's Dallas, and good

2333
01:46:33,194 --> 01:46:35,914
Speaker 5: that was very indie like right there, that's Dallas. I'm

2334
01:46:35,954 --> 01:46:39,994
Speaker 5: gonna need you to listen. I've heard him tied to

2335
01:46:40,074 --> 01:46:43,234
Speaker 5: all of those jobs. I know, the Florio thing from

2336
01:46:43,314 --> 01:46:47,194
Speaker 5: this week, but that's not like wild. I mean, people

2337
01:46:47,234 --> 01:46:51,554
Speaker 5: have thought that Peterson's going and he's got a place

2338
01:46:51,674 --> 01:46:52,354
Speaker 5: down there, right.

2339
01:46:52,794 --> 01:46:54,914
Speaker 7: I think it kind of makes sense in a weird way.

2340
01:46:55,314 --> 01:46:55,914
Speaker 4: Jacksonville.

2341
01:46:56,034 --> 01:46:59,594
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I think he likes cheerleading down there. Maybe

2342
01:46:59,834 --> 01:47:02,274
Speaker 7: I think I think he likes Trevor Well. He feels

2343
01:47:02,314 --> 01:47:05,474
Speaker 7: like he probably has a quarterback owner with deep pockets

2344
01:47:06,514 --> 01:47:08,554
Speaker 7: that's not afraid to spend, will be willing.

2345
01:47:08,434 --> 01:47:09,034
Speaker 5: To let him be.

2346
01:47:10,554 --> 01:47:12,634
Speaker 7: And it's not a huge market, so he doesn't have

2347
01:47:12,714 --> 01:47:15,194
Speaker 7: to deal with people like us. There's no in Boston,

2348
01:47:15,274 --> 01:47:19,314
Speaker 7: New York, Dallas, whatever, So in a weird way, kind

2349
01:47:19,314 --> 01:47:19,794
Speaker 7: of makes sense.

2350
01:47:19,874 --> 01:47:21,754
Speaker 6: There's a pool in the stadium for a mermaid if

2351
01:47:21,794 --> 01:47:22,914
Speaker 6: they're if he had one by.

2352
01:47:23,234 --> 01:47:29,234
Speaker 5: Oh good, good, dude, good you should the groucher mock's eyebrows.

2353
01:47:29,314 --> 01:47:33,034
Speaker 4: I mean, like, who are you made a joke there?

2354
01:47:33,114 --> 01:47:38,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, pull us out of our misery here right.

2355
01:47:40,114 --> 01:47:42,634
Speaker 4: I'll let Boston Cream do that. What's up, Boston Cream?

2356
01:47:44,474 --> 01:47:47,674
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, Nice to talk to you guys. My question

2357
01:47:48,034 --> 01:47:50,674
Speaker 8: is is there a point where we can start playing

2358
01:47:50,834 --> 01:47:54,434
Speaker 8: more young players to kind of develop them or have

2359
01:47:54,594 --> 01:47:57,314
Speaker 8: we already run through the depth? And that's kind of

2360
01:47:57,314 --> 01:47:58,194
Speaker 8: where we stand right.

2361
01:47:58,154 --> 01:48:00,794
Speaker 5: Now, which is playing Which young guy would you like

2362
01:48:00,834 --> 01:48:02,074
Speaker 5: to see playing any more? Bell?

2363
01:48:02,194 --> 01:48:06,514
Speaker 4: I guess maybe Robinson, Maybe Baker, Baker, Baker, Yeah.

2364
01:48:06,994 --> 01:48:09,794
Speaker 6: He seems like he's in he's he's women in it.

2365
01:48:09,954 --> 01:48:10,154
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2366
01:48:11,354 --> 01:48:13,514
Speaker 5: I got a question for you, boy, Bakers, Baker, for

2367
01:48:13,594 --> 01:48:15,074
Speaker 5: you an example, Baker and Bell.

2368
01:48:15,394 --> 01:48:18,554
Speaker 6: But yeah, Boston Cream you filled with cream or custard?

2369
01:48:18,634 --> 01:48:21,314
Speaker 6: That's always bug me. I feel like Boston kream. Donnut's

2370
01:48:21,314 --> 01:48:21,874
Speaker 6: always custard.

2371
01:48:21,914 --> 01:48:24,994
Speaker 10: I don't like custard, Like we gotta go with cream.

2372
01:48:24,994 --> 01:48:26,714
Speaker 8: Whatever you like, dude, there you go, Thank you?

2373
01:48:27,034 --> 01:48:29,834
Speaker 4: Okay, and wherever you like?

2374
01:48:29,954 --> 01:48:30,154
Speaker 14: Dude?

2375
01:48:31,154 --> 01:48:35,394
Speaker 6: Donuts pump not? Are you painful?

2376
01:48:35,434 --> 01:48:35,634
Speaker 4: Sign?

2377
01:48:35,754 --> 01:48:35,834
Speaker 7: Well?

2378
01:48:35,914 --> 01:48:40,474
Speaker 6: My donut talk? You don't go for the filled ones though,

2379
01:48:40,514 --> 01:48:40,794
Speaker 6: you like that?

2380
01:48:40,874 --> 01:48:41,194
Speaker 5: I like the.

2381
01:48:43,714 --> 01:48:47,114
Speaker 4: Chocolate ut. What's your favorite donut? Probably a Boston Cream

2382
01:48:48,074 --> 01:48:52,674
Speaker 4: worst over overrated donut because the custard. It's that that

2383
01:48:53,514 --> 01:48:55,034
Speaker 4: cream pie. The overrated.

2384
01:48:55,154 --> 01:48:58,554
Speaker 5: The most overrated donut is unquestionably the jelly donut.

2385
01:48:59,154 --> 01:49:03,034
Speaker 6: Now you're again, you're insulting my dad for a second

2386
01:49:03,074 --> 01:49:03,594
Speaker 6: show in a row.

2387
01:49:03,634 --> 01:49:07,234
Speaker 5: Who loves I love, mister Deuce said, I said, no

2388
01:49:07,354 --> 01:49:07,714
Speaker 5: such thing.

2389
01:49:08,154 --> 01:49:10,514
Speaker 4: I love jelly donuts, but I find them two decadence,

2390
01:49:10,554 --> 01:49:17,794
Speaker 4: so I don't eat them. You know, you know what's

2391
01:49:17,834 --> 01:49:24,314
Speaker 4: an underrated donut is the chocolate glazed, the chocolate frost. Chocolate.

2392
01:49:25,634 --> 01:49:27,674
Speaker 7: That would be my second That's what I was going

2393
01:49:27,714 --> 01:49:28,394
Speaker 7: to say, chocolate.

2394
01:49:28,634 --> 01:49:30,634
Speaker 5: And I'm not a huge chocolate guy, but you know

2395
01:49:30,794 --> 01:49:31,794
Speaker 5: why it.

2396
01:49:31,874 --> 01:49:35,314
Speaker 4: Goes so well with the hot coffee, like they blend

2397
01:49:35,554 --> 01:49:35,954
Speaker 4: so well.

2398
01:49:36,074 --> 01:49:38,434
Speaker 6: I don't know from coffee flavor company, you know I

2399
01:49:38,474 --> 01:49:39,154
Speaker 6: would agree with that.

2400
01:49:39,754 --> 01:49:42,474
Speaker 5: So Fred, I saw this morning that someone tweeted out

2401
01:49:42,554 --> 01:49:46,994
Speaker 5: that big sort of first round rookie quarterback e p

2402
01:49:47,154 --> 01:49:50,314
Speaker 5: a chart, and well, I have no idea how to

2403
01:49:50,354 --> 01:49:51,754
Speaker 5: read those charts. And every once in a while I

2404
01:49:51,794 --> 01:49:54,434
Speaker 5: talk I should go I should go over to be

2405
01:49:54,514 --> 01:49:55,954
Speaker 5: in the top right, I should go to Evan and

2406
01:49:56,114 --> 01:49:59,594
Speaker 5: and and find out. So anyway, I just explained it.

2407
01:50:01,594 --> 01:50:03,074
Speaker 5: It gets put out there. I don't know how to

2408
01:50:03,154 --> 01:50:06,554
Speaker 5: read it. And Fred goes, I don't know what this means,

2409
01:50:06,594 --> 01:50:10,154
Speaker 5: but the eyeball, so I assume it's good. And I

2410
01:50:10,274 --> 01:50:12,714
Speaker 5: was going to retweet you and say, nobody knows what

2411
01:50:12,794 --> 01:50:14,194
Speaker 5: it means, but it's provoketed.

2412
01:50:14,594 --> 01:50:14,634
Speaker 6: No.

2413
01:50:14,794 --> 01:50:16,514
Speaker 4: But it's funny that you say that, because I was

2414
01:50:16,594 --> 01:50:18,634
Speaker 4: listening to one of your shows a couple of days

2415
01:50:18,674 --> 01:50:22,074
Speaker 4: ago and they started bringing up EPA and Greg was on,

2416
01:50:22,194 --> 01:50:24,274
Speaker 4: and I was hoping to get an explanation, but and

2417
01:50:24,354 --> 01:50:25,154
Speaker 4: he couldn't even.

2418
01:50:25,074 --> 01:50:28,034
Speaker 5: Know even you know you and your ilk Evan. But

2419
01:50:28,434 --> 01:50:30,914
Speaker 5: it wasn't necessarily like the e p A part that

2420
01:50:31,034 --> 01:50:33,394
Speaker 5: I didn't know. It was the chart, Like I don't

2421
01:50:33,394 --> 01:50:34,874
Speaker 5: really know how to read the chart.

2422
01:50:35,034 --> 01:50:38,554
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bottom line, if you're in the upper right quadrant,

2423
01:50:38,594 --> 01:50:38,994
Speaker 4: you're good.

2424
01:50:39,274 --> 01:50:42,434
Speaker 5: I know that, but the bottom the bottom is about

2425
01:50:42,634 --> 01:50:47,634
Speaker 5: pass protection. Yes, and then like everybody's all over the place,

2426
01:50:47,674 --> 01:50:50,474
Speaker 5: So like, can I can I extrapolate from that chart

2427
01:50:50,554 --> 01:50:53,074
Speaker 5: that very few guys have been better than Drake May

2428
01:50:53,154 --> 01:50:56,634
Speaker 5: like C J. Stroud last year Jalen Daniels like, is

2429
01:50:56,674 --> 01:50:57,634
Speaker 5: that because they were highing?

2430
01:50:57,714 --> 01:50:58,954
Speaker 4: Well, Cam Newton was in that.

2431
01:51:00,874 --> 01:51:02,794
Speaker 7: Watson you want to be They were both unbelievable. You

2432
01:51:02,874 --> 01:51:04,674
Speaker 7: want to be in the top right. You don't want

2433
01:51:04,714 --> 01:51:07,474
Speaker 7: to be in the bottom left, which was so the

2434
01:51:07,594 --> 01:51:10,434
Speaker 7: top in this chart that was that was put out today.

2435
01:51:10,914 --> 01:51:14,034
Speaker 7: What it's saying is is that Drake May is doing

2436
01:51:14,074 --> 01:51:17,074
Speaker 7: a very very good job against a bad offensive behind

2437
01:51:17,114 --> 01:51:17,754
Speaker 7: a bad offense.

2438
01:51:17,874 --> 01:51:20,634
Speaker 4: And I kind of understood. I was kind of joking, Yeah,

2439
01:51:21,074 --> 01:51:23,674
Speaker 4: me too, And on my comment, all the quants are like,

2440
01:51:23,954 --> 01:51:25,074
Speaker 4: you know, explaining it.

2441
01:51:25,554 --> 01:51:27,834
Speaker 5: I don't need it explains because I don't care because

2442
01:51:27,834 --> 01:51:29,874
Speaker 5: I have two eyes and I can watch and I

2443
01:51:29,914 --> 01:51:33,394
Speaker 5: can say the quarterback's playing well beyond this year.

2444
01:51:35,154 --> 01:51:38,114
Speaker 4: And we know that it's supplyn. I don't need a

2445
01:51:38,434 --> 01:51:39,474
Speaker 4: statistic to tell me.

2446
01:51:39,594 --> 01:51:40,874
Speaker 5: I mean you can if you want to say what

2447
01:51:41,234 --> 01:51:43,874
Speaker 5: just for the listeners, like the expected.

2448
01:51:43,634 --> 01:51:46,634
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know it stands for expected points added.

2449
01:51:46,754 --> 01:51:49,074
Speaker 7: But the biggest thing that you have to take from

2450
01:51:49,114 --> 01:51:53,354
Speaker 7: it is that zero is average, right, So zero is

2451
01:51:53,474 --> 01:51:57,034
Speaker 7: the league average. So if you're below zero, then you're bad,

2452
01:51:57,154 --> 01:52:00,314
Speaker 7: if you're above zero, then you're good. And so basically

2453
01:52:00,394 --> 01:52:02,234
Speaker 7: what it looks at is it looks at the last

2454
01:52:02,634 --> 01:52:05,914
Speaker 7: ten years of permutations of on first and ten from

2455
01:52:05,954 --> 01:52:08,794
Speaker 7: the twenty five the league average is that they gain

2456
01:52:08,954 --> 01:52:11,434
Speaker 7: three and a half yards. So if the Patriots were

2457
01:52:11,554 --> 01:52:14,394
Speaker 7: to gain five yards instead of three and a half yards,

2458
01:52:14,634 --> 01:52:18,634
Speaker 7: they would be adding points to their expected total. That's it.

2459
01:52:20,034 --> 01:52:22,674
Speaker 4: Why can't the average be with the averages instead of zero.

2460
01:52:23,554 --> 01:52:26,034
Speaker 7: Well, it's just it's just the scale, I know, but

2461
01:52:26,354 --> 01:52:27,714
Speaker 7: it makes more they have to like.

2462
01:52:27,954 --> 01:52:32,234
Speaker 4: Oh, it just bothers me. But that's it has complicated.

2463
01:52:32,594 --> 01:52:34,834
Speaker 4: The league average is three yards on first down, but

2464
01:52:34,954 --> 01:52:35,994
Speaker 4: they have to make it zero.

2465
01:52:36,594 --> 01:52:38,514
Speaker 7: That's because it's more digestible that way, is it.

2466
01:52:39,034 --> 01:52:41,954
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know. If the league average is three

2467
01:52:42,034 --> 01:52:44,194
Speaker 4: and I do five, I'm I'm two better than the

2468
01:52:44,274 --> 01:52:48,354
Speaker 4: league average. I mean, wow, that's not difficult.

2469
01:52:48,554 --> 01:52:52,994
Speaker 7: That's really simple to some people for everybody.

2470
01:52:53,194 --> 01:52:56,914
Speaker 4: That's the point. Why not make it fun for everyone

2471
01:52:57,114 --> 01:52:59,314
Speaker 4: instead of just people that went to mit.

2472
01:52:59,274 --> 01:53:01,394
Speaker 5: That horse has left the barn? Sports are no longer

2473
01:53:01,474 --> 01:53:03,314
Speaker 5: fun for anyone. I didn't let alone everyone.

2474
01:53:03,594 --> 01:53:06,794
Speaker 7: The biggest thing, though, the reason you know people like

2475
01:53:06,874 --> 01:53:08,554
Speaker 7: on your show is Paul will say, well, what's wrong

2476
01:53:08,594 --> 01:53:09,194
Speaker 7: with yards?

2477
01:53:09,514 --> 01:53:09,674
Speaker 4: Right?

2478
01:53:09,834 --> 01:53:12,154
Speaker 7: Well, the problem with yards is like, if it's third

2479
01:53:12,194 --> 01:53:15,354
Speaker 7: and ten, right and Drake May throws a nine yard pass,

2480
01:53:15,434 --> 01:53:18,034
Speaker 7: is that a good play or a bad play? It's

2481
01:53:18,074 --> 01:53:19,754
Speaker 7: a bad player. You didn't get the first down.

2482
01:53:20,274 --> 01:53:21,594
Speaker 4: It's an efficient plan, right.

2483
01:53:21,674 --> 01:53:24,354
Speaker 5: What would you say that the play would be rated

2484
01:53:24,394 --> 01:53:26,994
Speaker 5: if it's third and five and a guy runs an

2485
01:53:27,034 --> 01:53:29,274
Speaker 5: eight yard out route and is like two yards in

2486
01:53:29,314 --> 01:53:31,114
Speaker 5: the clear, but it goes incomplete? What would you how

2487
01:53:31,154 --> 01:53:32,234
Speaker 5: would you grade the corner.

2488
01:53:33,594 --> 01:53:34,714
Speaker 7: That's a different conversation.

2489
01:53:34,954 --> 01:53:37,394
Speaker 5: Well, exactly so, But I'm just telling you if we

2490
01:53:37,474 --> 01:53:40,514
Speaker 5: did everything the same way, then I would I would.

2491
01:53:40,354 --> 01:53:40,714
Speaker 4: Agree with you.

2492
01:53:40,754 --> 01:53:41,914
Speaker 7: But those are PFF grades.

2493
01:53:41,994 --> 01:53:45,154
Speaker 5: But we just go oh for one zero passer rating

2494
01:53:45,234 --> 01:53:48,394
Speaker 5: even though he got beat like a drum and I'm

2495
01:53:48,474 --> 01:53:50,954
Speaker 5: just talking to his cornerback X here right, I'm not

2496
01:53:51,114 --> 01:53:54,474
Speaker 5: giving anybody assignment on this particular play. I'm just saying

2497
01:53:54,554 --> 01:53:58,874
Speaker 5: in general, the results like that, like that is all

2498
01:53:58,954 --> 01:54:02,514
Speaker 5: strictly about the result of the play, no context. But

2499
01:54:02,634 --> 01:54:04,834
Speaker 5: the other play, we can't just go by the result

2500
01:54:04,914 --> 01:54:07,194
Speaker 5: of the play. We have to put context in it, YEP.

2501
01:54:07,234 --> 01:54:10,674
Speaker 7: So that that that's a totally different thing. But that's

2502
01:54:10,714 --> 01:54:13,794
Speaker 7: the whole point. Is that if you gain nine yards

2503
01:54:13,834 --> 01:54:17,314
Speaker 7: on third and nine in the box score, nine yards

2504
01:54:17,354 --> 01:54:21,034
Speaker 7: per pass attempt is really really good, but that's a

2505
01:54:21,074 --> 01:54:24,274
Speaker 7: failed play. So the idea is is that EPA calculates

2506
01:54:24,354 --> 01:54:28,314
Speaker 7: whether you actually move the chains in that situation, versus

2507
01:54:28,594 --> 01:54:30,674
Speaker 7: just picked up a bunch of yards.

2508
01:54:30,754 --> 01:54:33,554
Speaker 4: So there used to be a definition of efficient run.

2509
01:54:33,954 --> 01:54:36,714
Speaker 4: It was a run for four more yards, a run

2510
01:54:36,834 --> 01:54:39,674
Speaker 4: for a first down, or that resulted in a score.

2511
01:54:39,914 --> 01:54:40,714
Speaker 5: Correct, that's simple.

2512
01:54:40,914 --> 01:54:43,914
Speaker 4: That's simple. I know it still exists. So let's just

2513
01:54:43,994 --> 01:54:44,474
Speaker 4: go by that.

2514
01:54:44,634 --> 01:54:46,034
Speaker 5: It's seven for a pass, right.

2515
01:54:47,554 --> 01:54:49,674
Speaker 7: It's it depends on the you know, first and ten.

2516
01:54:50,074 --> 01:54:52,194
Speaker 7: It all depends on, like, you know, how many of

2517
01:54:52,314 --> 01:54:56,994
Speaker 7: the yards you get on? Yeah, the second downs a

2518
01:54:57,034 --> 01:54:59,434
Speaker 7: little bit. Yeah, listen, third downs, the first down.

2519
01:54:59,994 --> 01:55:03,474
Speaker 4: If you can't explain it in Layman's terms, then it

2520
01:55:03,754 --> 01:55:06,434
Speaker 4: has no use to me, you know what I mean.

2521
01:55:06,634 --> 01:55:08,634
Speaker 5: I like, you're a little angry.

2522
01:55:08,714 --> 01:55:10,434
Speaker 6: I think we got a good ran for next week's show.

2523
01:55:10,514 --> 01:55:11,994
Speaker 4: You'll sign up an I'm a.

2524
01:55:11,994 --> 01:55:13,874
Speaker 7: Fan of success right, I think success rate it's a

2525
01:55:13,914 --> 01:55:15,194
Speaker 7: good stat all.

2526
01:55:15,154 --> 01:55:17,994
Speaker 4: Right, Dan writes in I really don't like hearing Mayo

2527
01:55:18,114 --> 01:55:20,194
Speaker 4: say we have enough talent to win football games. In

2528
01:55:20,234 --> 01:55:22,274
Speaker 4: my opinion, that couldn't be more false.

2529
01:55:22,714 --> 01:55:24,914
Speaker 5: But what but why would you not like to have

2530
01:55:25,034 --> 01:55:26,674
Speaker 5: your coach be complimentary?

2531
01:55:26,994 --> 01:55:28,834
Speaker 4: So do you think that he really believes that or

2532
01:55:28,954 --> 01:55:31,154
Speaker 4: is he just throwing wolf of bone since he's been

2533
01:55:31,234 --> 01:55:34,634
Speaker 4: catching heat. If he slashed, the organization does believe that.

2534
01:55:35,034 --> 01:55:37,914
Speaker 4: I'm extremely concerned about this coming off season. A coach

2535
01:55:38,034 --> 01:55:38,674
Speaker 4: has to say that.

2536
01:55:38,874 --> 01:55:40,314
Speaker 5: I think a coach, I think he's trying to have

2537
01:55:40,394 --> 01:55:43,394
Speaker 5: the backs of his players. I don't think it's throw Elliott.

2538
01:55:44,394 --> 01:55:46,674
Speaker 4: It's coach speak, right, you think.

2539
01:55:46,514 --> 01:55:48,554
Speaker 5: He's trying to back his players, Like I believe in you.

2540
01:55:48,674 --> 01:55:51,074
Speaker 5: You guys can play. We have enough talent to win games.

2541
01:55:51,634 --> 01:55:51,714
Speaker 6: Now.

2542
01:55:51,794 --> 01:55:53,794
Speaker 4: I hope behind closed doors he's saying.

2543
01:55:55,354 --> 01:55:56,114
Speaker 5: We got to get better.

2544
01:55:56,594 --> 01:55:58,394
Speaker 7: Well that way, when we were talking about I think

2545
01:55:58,434 --> 01:55:59,674
Speaker 7: we said this off air. I don't know if he

2546
01:55:59,674 --> 01:56:01,074
Speaker 7: said this on it, but we were talking about the

2547
01:56:01,074 --> 01:56:04,634
Speaker 7: whole Gonzales thing on the boundary and like, and I'm

2548
01:56:04,634 --> 01:56:06,434
Speaker 7: not wanting to talk on this, but like it's over

2549
01:56:06,514 --> 01:56:09,274
Speaker 7: complicating the situation. At the end of the day, their

2550
01:56:09,354 --> 01:56:12,114
Speaker 7: players made plays and your players didn't, you know, and

2551
01:56:12,234 --> 01:56:14,794
Speaker 7: where Gonzalez was lining up and all that kind of stuff.

2552
01:56:15,714 --> 01:56:18,074
Speaker 7: That still only takes care of one of the receivers.

2553
01:56:18,434 --> 01:56:20,714
Speaker 7: So who's got cup right if you put him on

2554
01:56:20,794 --> 01:56:21,154
Speaker 7: the KUA.

2555
01:56:21,274 --> 01:56:24,834
Speaker 5: Even if you operate under the premise that Gonzales took

2556
01:56:24,874 --> 01:56:27,594
Speaker 5: somebody man to man and completely eliminated him from the game,

2557
01:56:27,914 --> 01:56:31,354
Speaker 5: which to me is a huge stretch. But let's just

2558
01:56:31,434 --> 01:56:36,394
Speaker 5: say you're still not necessarily in much better shape. Yeah,

2559
01:56:36,474 --> 01:56:40,434
Speaker 5: because now they just find the other matchups and exploit

2560
01:56:40,514 --> 01:56:43,914
Speaker 5: the guy that Gonzales isn't covering. Plus maybe you get

2561
01:56:43,954 --> 01:56:46,274
Speaker 5: more of DeMarcus Robinson, who has been really good.

2562
01:56:46,554 --> 01:56:48,754
Speaker 4: But I get it, but their best two players have

2563
01:56:48,914 --> 01:56:51,114
Speaker 4: the best two games, and he was on neither one

2564
01:56:51,114 --> 01:56:51,314
Speaker 4: of them.

2565
01:56:51,554 --> 01:56:56,634
Speaker 5: But it makes it, but it makes it so simplistic

2566
01:56:56,714 --> 01:56:58,994
Speaker 5: to just say, like, well, maybe they should have doubled

2567
01:57:00,034 --> 01:57:04,754
Speaker 5: cup and had Gonzales take nicoua man from man all day,

2568
01:57:04,834 --> 01:57:07,314
Speaker 5: like that would be the magic of locks. No chance

2569
01:57:07,354 --> 01:57:07,954
Speaker 5: they're going to move.

2570
01:57:08,354 --> 01:57:11,474
Speaker 4: No, with Matthew Stafford, they still would have moved the ball.

2571
01:57:11,594 --> 01:57:17,554
Speaker 4: But listen, when you have something like Gonzo, it's the

2572
01:57:17,634 --> 01:57:20,314
Speaker 4: same thing as having a great receiver a great running back.

2573
01:57:20,994 --> 01:57:23,394
Speaker 4: You got to use them. You got to use them.

2574
01:57:23,794 --> 01:57:27,874
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't Uh, Danny's in Daytona.

2575
01:57:27,954 --> 01:57:28,674
Speaker 4: What's up? Danny?

2576
01:57:30,434 --> 01:57:30,634
Speaker 22: Hey?

2577
01:57:30,754 --> 01:57:31,274
Speaker 28: What's going on?

2578
01:57:32,194 --> 01:57:33,434
Speaker 5: You actually have the track right?

2579
01:57:33,514 --> 01:57:38,634
Speaker 4: I think he's taking laps. I don't know. Tell your

2580
01:57:38,674 --> 01:57:43,754
Speaker 4: pick crudo, keep it down. So I wanted to.

2581
01:57:44,074 --> 01:57:45,074
Speaker 28: I had a couple of grids.

2582
01:57:45,874 --> 01:57:45,994
Speaker 22: Uh.

2583
01:57:46,394 --> 01:57:50,314
Speaker 28: I wanted to. I wanted to Greg with Belichick. Uh,

2584
01:57:50,754 --> 01:57:53,954
Speaker 28: you know, roster building that left the Patriots devastate. I

2585
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Speaker 28: know we've already harped on this, but uh, the same

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Speaker 28: people he still has in uh in a in the

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01:57:59,754 --> 01:58:03,634
Speaker 28: uh in the current office regime. I just have I'm

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Speaker 28: not gonna sound satiistic, but I just don't have any

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01:58:05,834 --> 01:58:08,434
Speaker 28: faith in Elliott Wolf or the staff that you put

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Speaker 28: together in the front office. I feel like we're gonna

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Speaker 28: get the same with what we have this year.

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Speaker 5: And I think.

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Speaker 28: Everyone's trying to stay positive and I'm just being realistic,

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Speaker 28: and I feel like they're not gonna do the same

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01:58:20,714 --> 01:58:22,954
Speaker 28: exact things that they said they were gonna do this year.

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Speaker 28: They're gonna go get go cheap on the left tackle.

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Speaker 28: They're going to probably try and get somebody's bubby wide

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01:58:28,674 --> 01:58:33,314
Speaker 28: receiver and call them x X, and they'll probably try

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Speaker 28: to patch the offensive line together. And I'm really worried

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Speaker 28: about that.

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Speaker 4: No, it's fair enough, Dandy, I'm gonna hang up because yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm having trouble here.

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Speaker 5: But I would just say, and we wait to see

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01:58:44,394 --> 01:58:47,274
Speaker 5: what it happens before, you know, like Felger and Maz's commandment,

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01:58:47,394 --> 01:58:49,634
Speaker 5: let's not you know, criticize so much somebody. I haven't

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Speaker 5: done it.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. It's fair to say that the

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Speaker 4: same people who were involved when we were criticizing Bill

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01:58:55,274 --> 01:58:58,394
Speaker 4: are still here. So the question is how much of

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Speaker 4: it was collaboration when Bill was here. And if if

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Speaker 4: you think, oh, Matt grow and Elliott Wolf had a

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Speaker 4: lot of say, then there is a little cause from

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01:59:08,154 --> 01:59:11,554
Speaker 4: concern if you didn't like what they did before this.

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Speaker 7: I just think there's no way of answering that that's

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Speaker 7: what it's going to be in the pudding.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 6: That's why I just think about this year's rookie class,

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01:59:18,314 --> 01:59:19,714
Speaker 6: you know, for better or worse at this point, and

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Speaker 6: Drake may is certainly a big positive. But you know,

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Speaker 6: I just threw out Layden Robinson as a guy who

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01:59:24,714 --> 01:59:28,034
Speaker 6: you know can is Michael Jordan. He can't beat out

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01:59:28,074 --> 01:59:29,954
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan. I mean, you know, like that to me

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Speaker 6: is one of the places. I mean, I know Kayden

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Speaker 6: Wallace is out right now, but I would just look

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01:59:35,194 --> 01:59:37,594
Speaker 6: for those two guys to somehow get involved and maybe

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01:59:37,634 --> 01:59:39,634
Speaker 6: think that those guys have a spot on that offense.

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Speaker 5: Just because they didn't have a great offseason this year

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01:59:42,634 --> 01:59:45,514
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that they won't have a better one next year.

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Speaker 5: That's and this has got nothing to do with whether

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Speaker 5: it was a collaboration of you know. The similarity is

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Speaker 5: that they with the caller said they tried to sort

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Speaker 5: of patch it with a left tackle. We're not gonna

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Speaker 5: go out and get big money for a left tackle.

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Speaker 5: We're going to try to patch it with a left tackle,

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Speaker 5: and we're not going to take it early in the draft,

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Speaker 5: early enough to address it in the draft, right, we're

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Speaker 5: gonna That doesn't mean that they're always going to do that. Like,

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's we're going to find out how much,

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02:00:18,194 --> 02:00:21,234
Speaker 5: say they had when Bill was here. Regardless of what happens,

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Speaker 5: will they go out and spend some money in free

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Speaker 5: agency and will they be better at drafting players? That's

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02:00:28,794 --> 02:00:31,634
Speaker 5: we don't know. I mean, but I just why do

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02:00:31,754 --> 02:00:34,434
Speaker 5: you have hope because you have a quarterback and I

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02:00:34,474 --> 02:00:37,034
Speaker 5: don't think it's as hard now to get a wide

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02:00:37,074 --> 02:00:39,994
Speaker 5: receiver that can make an impact. So you don't have

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Speaker 5: to get like the greatest wide receiver ever because he's

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Speaker 5: going to make him look better. He made Kendrick Bourne

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Speaker 5: look better the other day.

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Speaker 7: And you're not picking that receiver at thirty seven or

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Speaker 7: that tackle at sixty eight. You're now potentially picking that

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Speaker 7: receiver attack four.

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Speaker 5: Or at seven or where the first Red's theory.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean I just say, signs to me

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02:00:59,354 --> 02:01:01,314
Speaker 6: are pointing that they've got to spend some money this

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02:01:01,354 --> 02:01:03,274
Speaker 6: offseason and give out some contracts. And it's not going

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02:01:03,354 --> 02:01:04,954
Speaker 6: to go to in house guys because those guys are

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Speaker 6: already taking care of There's nobody in house to really

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02:01:07,234 --> 02:01:09,554
Speaker 6: worry about. So they got to give out some big contracts.

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Speaker 4: You can't go Oh, the free agent signings were really

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Speaker 4: the guy. That's a great point. Yeah, one done.

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Speaker 5: That's going to require big money.

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Speaker 4: Right've done that in the past. All Right, that's going

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Speaker 4: to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll

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Speaker 4: be back tomorrow at noon with another edition. We'll talk

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