Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wolcate F Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl, Danielle Moody recording prerecording from the Long
Speaker 1: Island Bunker, Folks, I want to start off today with
Speaker 1: talking about the absolutely horrific, disastrous Scotus term that we
Speaker 1: just live through. I don't think it's unfortunate, I will
Speaker 1: say this not I don't think it is unfortunate that
Speaker 1: people don't recognize their power until their power is taken
Speaker 1: away from them. And maybe that is human nature, right,
Speaker 1: But for years, for years, the Republican Party has been
Speaker 1: talking about the way in which they want to return
Speaker 1: this nation to what they believe is its puritanical, white
Speaker 1: evangelical Christian roots. That they want a nation that abides
Speaker 1: by their Bible and their interpretation thereof. And they've been
Speaker 1: using the courts, and they've been using schools, and they've
Speaker 1: been using all sorts of avenues and strategies and order
Speaker 1: to accomplish their authoritarian, fascist Christian rule. And yet all
Speaker 1: of these years, all of these decades, Democrats have continued
Speaker 1: to believe that Republicans are their rational ideological adversaries, that
Speaker 1: these people with their white supremacist ideas, and their anti
Speaker 1: every single thing, just listed, anti women, anti black, anti Asian,
Speaker 1: anti Latinas, anti Muslim, like, just them all down that
Speaker 1: somehow they were worthy of being considered rational or people
Speaker 1: that are open to collaboration and compromise. And it is now,
Speaker 1: as we have seen, the Court, the Supreme Court become weaponized,
Speaker 1: a weaponized tool of the radicalized right, that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody, including the democratic establishment, is waking up
Speaker 1: and saying, oh my god, how did we get here?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? But do you know who doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to still have a sense of urgency? Joe Biden, the
Speaker 1: President of the United States. Now I did a TikTok
Speaker 1: video and again, if you don't follow me there, you should.
Speaker 1: Danielle Moody underscore where I had just finished reading an
Speaker 1: article in the Atlantic, and the article is Joe Biden
Speaker 1: running out of time, And essentially within the article it
Speaker 1: discusses the fact that the author of the piece doesn't
Speaker 1: believe And I will say that maybe I agree that
Speaker 1: anyone else could have beaten Donald Trump in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty election. And I know that everyone has, you know,
Speaker 1: their own opinions, but I believe I did not want
Speaker 1: Joe Biden to be the nominee because exactly how he
Speaker 1: is showing himself to be now, which is weak, subservient,
Speaker 1: and you know, a statesman from a long forgotten time
Speaker 1: at that moment, I don't think that this country would
Speaker 1: have taken anybody else, and obviously they did not. But
Speaker 1: what the article in The Atlantic goes on to question
Speaker 1: is whether or not Joe Biden is the president that
Speaker 1: can actually fight against Trump. Is M not just Donald
Speaker 1: Trump the man, but Trump is M the affected ideology?
Speaker 1: And I have to say no, he is not. What
Speaker 1: we have seen is really outwardly from mostly the women
Speaker 1: and the people of color and the younger people, whether
Speaker 1: they be in the Senate or in the House of Representatives,
Speaker 1: like Senator Warren or Representative Alexandria Cassio Cortez in the House,
Speaker 1: saying all of the things and providing all of the
Speaker 1: avenues that if this president were aggressive, if this democratic
Speaker 1: establishment were aggressive and fighting fire with fire, they would
Speaker 1: do and they're not doing any of it. I mentioned
Speaker 1: to you that in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash,
Speaker 1: the Vice President Kamala Harris, when pointedly asked, people already
Speaker 1: showed up for you to vote and they are expecting
Speaker 1: you to do something, And her response to that was
Speaker 1: do what exactly. Well, my fucking god, if you are
Speaker 1: going to act so incompetent and so weak, then maybe
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have the job in the first fucking place,
Speaker 1: because stern words and wagging fingers and fucking prayer is
Speaker 1: not saving us. Expanding the court will, ending the filibuster,
Speaker 1: will finding out the creative ways to provide abortions to
Speaker 1: women and people with uteruses in now the twenty six
Speaker 1: states that have outlawed abortion will. Not only has this
Speaker 1: Supreme Court overturned fifty years of precedent, they also turned
Speaker 1: a hundred over a hundred year precedent with their denial
Speaker 1: of New York States ability to issue its own laws
Speaker 1: around concealing carry. Then they went so far as to
Speaker 1: give the middle finger to the fucking planet and say
Speaker 1: that the EPA doesn't have the power to be able
Speaker 1: to enforce emission standards. So, not only do they want
Speaker 1: to make America more dangerous for women and people with
Speaker 1: uterus is more dangerous so that those that carry guns
Speaker 1: have more rights than those that do not also unhealthy,
Speaker 1: because we already know that the myriad of fucking storms,
Speaker 1: whether they be fire season, hurricane season, tornado season, are
Speaker 1: at all time historic levels every fucking year. So if
Speaker 1: you know this, and you know that there is no
Speaker 1: slow down with this six to three court, why would
Speaker 1: you not start talking strongly and not start creating a
Speaker 1: war room around How you fucking turn this nine person
Speaker 1: court into her thirteen person court and level the fucking
Speaker 1: playing field right and extinguish the power of Alito and
Speaker 1: Thomas and Gorsich and Kavanaugh and fucking Barrett from being
Speaker 1: able to destroy this country one fucking decision at a time.
Speaker 1: This is not, and it should not be fucking rocket science.
Speaker 1: When your enemy reveals themselves to you, you do not
Speaker 1: turn your back because they would quickly shoot and stab
Speaker 1: you in it. You don't say, oh, I'm not opting
Speaker 1: into this fight when your enemy has drawn the lines
Speaker 1: of the battlefield quite clearly for the world to fucking see. So,
Speaker 1: as Joe Biden, the right president for this moment is
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, The right speaker for this moment is Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 1: The right leader for this moment apps a fucking lutely not.
Speaker 1: And so then the question becomes who is and is
Speaker 1: it time that the pall as somebody had asked me
Speaker 1: that we're listening to the show, sent me a DM
Speaker 1: and said, Danielle, I don't understand why there is a
Speaker 1: lack of urgency and passion on the left. He said,
Speaker 1: in France, they don't like what the fuck the government
Speaker 1: is doing, and they take to the streets and they
Speaker 1: burn shit down. Is it that there is a fear
Speaker 1: the question was a fear that we are outgunned. I
Speaker 1: don't know, honestly, I do know that what I would
Speaker 1: rather see, rather than people burning down their own cities
Speaker 1: and towns, is that I would much rather see a
Speaker 1: national fucking boycott organized that says that ain't nobody going
Speaker 1: to work, right, Not your fucking grocery, Not your quote
Speaker 1: unquote essential workers that we were willing to send out
Speaker 1: in a pandemic with their less than minimum wage that
Speaker 1: they were receiving so that the rest of us could
Speaker 1: stay cloistered away in our homes. Not the essential work Nobody,
Speaker 1: not the fucking teachers, not the doctors, not the nurses.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody going to work? I would rather see an
Speaker 1: organized national boycott to disrupt this nation's economy and to
Speaker 1: remind our fucking overlords who are who is actually in power.
Speaker 1: I would rather see that happen than riots in the
Speaker 1: street that only will last for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and frankly, more of us will be killed than on
Speaker 1: that side. But let me tell you something, the direction
Speaker 1: that all of this is headed in is only headed
Speaker 1: in one way, which is towards violence. It's not a
Speaker 1: matter of if, it is a matter of when. And
Speaker 1: that's what's concerning me is that Joe Biden and everybody
Speaker 1: around him seems to be operating on a different fucking
Speaker 1: planet than the one that we are all living in
Speaker 1: right now. Coming up next my conversation with our our
Speaker 1: friend Danielle Campomore, who is the Today's show journalist covering
Speaker 1: abortion and covering Roe v. Wade, and she will discuss, frankly,
Speaker 1: the devastation that women and people with uteruses are feeling
Speaker 1: across this country, the fact that for the first time
Speaker 1: ever in our lives, our children, the nation's children, will
Speaker 1: have less rights than their parents and grandparents, and what
Speaker 1: we are essentially setting ourselves up for in the future.
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Speaker 1: very happy whenever I have the opportunity to speak with
Speaker 1: my friend Danielle Campamore, who is a journalist for the
Speaker 1: Today Show fortoday dot com, talking specifically about abortion. She
Speaker 1: has been on this show. My god, Danielle, you've been
Speaker 1: on this show over I think the entire time that
Speaker 1: I've had woke af which is pushing five years now,
Speaker 1: But this is the first time that we are speaking
Speaker 1: and a constitutional right has been taken away. For the
Speaker 1: past several years, you and I have spoken about the
Speaker 1: potential right of this moment, about what we feel that
Speaker 1: Democrats need to do in this moment. But now the
Speaker 1: moment is here. So before we even jump in, I
Speaker 1: just want to ask you, person to person, woman to woman,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Thank you so much for asking
Speaker 1: me that. I mean, it's overwhelming, And if you talk
Speaker 1: to anyone who has followed access to abortion care in
Speaker 1: this country, they'll tell you that this is not a
Speaker 1: surprise but nevertheless, it is no less devastating to the
Speaker 1: people that it impacts, particularly blackgrown or in rural people.
Speaker 1: But this is not a surprise, you know, anyone in
Speaker 1: the abortion field has been stounding the alarm, and so
Speaker 1: if anti abortion people who've told you told me, told
Speaker 1: everyone that this is what they were fighting for. But
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's taking me back, as someone
Speaker 1: who's covered this, and also as someone with a capacity
Speaker 1: to get pregnant, who has been pregnant, is that while
Speaker 1: we knew that this was coming, the the impact of it,
Speaker 1: the reality of it is no easier to swallow. And
Speaker 1: so it's been a hard week, and especially when you
Speaker 1: listen to people that this is impacting the most, and
Speaker 1: the stories of people being turned away, and women who
Speaker 1: are experiencing pregnancy complications and are being denied care or
Speaker 1: their care as being you know, prolonged in some way
Speaker 1: out of fear that the doctors caring for them will
Speaker 1: be criminalized. It's hard. It's hard to stop, you know.
Speaker 1: I M we have all heard the stories. I think
Speaker 1: that they were written down in our history books about
Speaker 1: what happened pre nineteen seventy four, and the fear and
Speaker 1: the reality being that abortion does not stop because the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has overturned the constitutional right to bodily autonomy,
Speaker 1: abortion just becomes unsafe, right, And so, what do you
Speaker 1: believe then, are the actions that this administration should take
Speaker 1: in order to codify ROW or should have taken, because frankly,
Speaker 1: they could have codified it ten years ago in the
Speaker 1: Obama administration and they didn't. Right, well, I think at
Speaker 1: first it's important for us to all acknowledge that we
Speaker 1: are not going back to a pre road day. The
Speaker 1: advent of medication abortion will make illegal abortions safer in
Speaker 1: terms of a person's physical health, they will not be
Speaker 1: safe in terms of criminality, and that is where we'll
Speaker 1: see an influx of black and brown people, and they
Speaker 1: will be an influx of mothers as well, since the
Speaker 1: majority of people have abortions, and moms will be criminalized
Speaker 1: and then will be jailed. And so between that and
Speaker 1: then the fear of not being able to access adequate
Speaker 1: care if you have a miscarriage, for example, in ectopic pregnancy.
Speaker 1: That is where the physical danger comes in is doctors
Speaker 1: afraid to provide care. As for what Democrats should have
Speaker 1: done and want to and should or me to do now.
Speaker 1: All the people that I have spoken to, and these
Speaker 1: are people who have been either really politically involved or
Speaker 1: now this is there. What is driving them to be
Speaker 1: political now is expand the court it is and the
Speaker 1: filibuster it is, require and demands that people in the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party support access to abortion, no if ans or buds,
Speaker 1: and if they don't, get them out of office and
Speaker 1: elect someone who does. When I was in front of
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court on Saturday, every single person that I
Speaker 1: talked to said, do not tell me to vote. I did.
Speaker 1: What are you doing now? Because I did vote, and
Speaker 1: I am here right now. I've been protesting. You know,
Speaker 1: they were kids there with children who this is, you know,
Speaker 1: a four year old. It was their third, fourth, fifth protests.
Speaker 1: You know the parents are taking them continuously. So we
Speaker 1: were making our voices heard and we're voting. Those of
Speaker 1: the two things you tell us to do, we're doing them.
Speaker 1: So what what are you going to do? That's what
Speaker 1: people are telling me, And I think that is what
Speaker 1: a lot of people are demanding of anyone in office
Speaker 1: who says that they care about bodily autonomy, specifically the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. You know, I just find it so frustrating.
Speaker 1: Because Vice President Harris was on CNN a couple of
Speaker 1: you know, at the time of this recording, it was
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and when asked by Dana
Speaker 1: Bash whether you know the people want you to do
Speaker 1: something and you have you have the Senage, you have
Speaker 1: the House, you have the presidency, and you're not doing anything,
Speaker 1: she said, do what? She said like, her response was
Speaker 1: do what? And I like lost my mind listening to
Speaker 1: the Vice President of the United States essentially say that
Speaker 1: she doesn't have any power, that the executive branch doesn't
Speaker 1: have any power. And so if the people on the
Speaker 1: ground are as frustrated as we know that they are,
Speaker 1: because we share their frustration, what do you think this
Speaker 1: looks like? And I mean, you know, the question that
Speaker 1: I was asked on MSNBC a couple of days ago was, Danielle,
Speaker 1: you know the Democrats want to focus on quote un
Speaker 1: kitchen table issues and inflation and gas prices. This is
Speaker 1: the anger and outrage going to sustain itself to mid
Speaker 1: term elections. And so I will tell you what my
Speaker 1: response was, but I want to hear what yours is
Speaker 1: to that question. My response is the response of anyone
Speaker 1: that I've ever asked when it comes to what's going
Speaker 1: to drive them, what's important to them, especially parents, because
Speaker 1: that is my focus at today dot Com. And every
Speaker 1: parent tells you there's no more bigger than table kitchen issue,
Speaker 1: the ability to cide, win up and how you start
Speaker 1: your family. What else is there other than a person's
Speaker 1: ability to be able to make those decisions with their doctor,
Speaker 1: with their spouse, with their family members. And it trickles
Speaker 1: down to I mean, there were moms who are talking
Speaker 1: to me, this is also about my ability to be financial,
Speaker 1: to make financial decisions, financial freedom. I talked to people said, look,
Speaker 1: if I wasn't able to access abortion care, I would
Speaker 1: still be tied to someone who was abusive. Who would
Speaker 1: be This is about personal safety, It's about you know,
Speaker 1: there is no other kitchen table issue than bodily autonomy
Speaker 1: and the freedom to make your private medical decisions for yourself.
Speaker 1: And so really I think that the kitchen table issue
Speaker 1: phrase is code for affluent whites issues that might matter.
Speaker 1: So people who think that this doesn't impact them, that
Speaker 1: they will still be able to access care if when
Speaker 1: and how they need it, and so they can focus
Speaker 1: on inflation because to them, they don't think that this
Speaker 1: is something that will them or their family members, And
Speaker 1: if you look at statistics and studies, that's just not
Speaker 1: true that you know want and for people we need
Speaker 1: an abortion, and that is not including people who need
Speaker 1: that care comes to any sort of pregnancy complication, actopic pregnancy,
Speaker 1: or businesscarage. So that would be my answer. There is
Speaker 1: no bigger table issue than access to abortion. What did
Speaker 1: you make you know? And Danielle I offered the same thing.
Speaker 1: I literally said the same thing. I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know what are we what we're talking about here? If
Speaker 1: you're talking about economic issues, I can see no other
Speaker 1: economic issue than the ability to family plan. Like, if
Speaker 1: there are more children at your table, then there are
Speaker 1: zeros in your check. I'm confused about how you're going
Speaker 1: to be able to provide for those kids, particularly when
Speaker 1: we are you know, when we have a government and
Speaker 1: a party that is not interested in providing childcare, tax credit,
Speaker 1: paid family leave, you know, universal pre K, that is
Speaker 1: not interested in doing any of those things. So what
Speaker 1: are you offering right to these people that you are
Speaker 1: now forcing to give birth? That's what that was. My
Speaker 1: response is the same as yours, And so what do
Speaker 1: you like, what did you make then, given all of this,
Speaker 1: what did you make of the President Biden's addressed to
Speaker 1: the nation following the Supreme Court decision? Did it hit
Speaker 1: the notes that you needed it to hit? Well, I
Speaker 1: can tell you from the people that I talked to,
Speaker 1: you know it didn't because and it was very interesting
Speaker 1: because everyone said, I already know what he is going
Speaker 1: to say before he said it, and they said, he's
Speaker 1: going to tell me to vote, And of course that
Speaker 1: is what he did. He said you need to vote
Speaker 1: from November. And people just do not want to hear
Speaker 1: that because again they did vote. These parents, these families
Speaker 1: voted in the middle of an ongoing pandemic. They brought
Speaker 1: their children into because they couldn't get time off work
Speaker 1: because voting is on a national holiday in this country,
Speaker 1: and so it just goes back to again, they want
Speaker 1: to see more, especially when to your credit. You know,
Speaker 1: when we talk about the economic fall out of access
Speaker 1: a limited access to abortion care, we live in a
Speaker 1: country with a pay gap where mothers get paid less
Speaker 1: than fathers, but there's actually a motherhood penalty. For every
Speaker 1: child that a mom has her she actually loses money.
Speaker 1: She misses out on opportunities for growth within her area
Speaker 1: of work. And so just statistically, you don't have to
Speaker 1: look forward to see just how this will impact every
Speaker 1: ass aspect of a person's life. They have the ability
Speaker 1: to get pregnant and do when they don't want to
Speaker 1: or am ready Moore, And so it just goes back
Speaker 1: to you cannot continuously tell people to do something to
Speaker 1: keep you in power if you do nothing with that power.
Speaker 1: And that's born out of the conversations that I've had
Speaker 1: with people, is why am I doing the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over again when I'm watching my so my
Speaker 1: friend co workers lose rights in the process. And we
Speaker 1: started this conversation. Is the first time in the history
Speaker 1: of this country a Supreme Court has given the constitutional
Speaker 1: right only to take it away. We are about to
Speaker 1: tomorrow will be a week where more than half the
Speaker 1: people in this country have lived without the constitutional right
Speaker 1: to bodily autonomy. A week we have lived with less
Speaker 1: rights than our parents and our grandparents. When we think
Speaker 1: about that, that's catastrophic if you really sit and just
Speaker 1: think about that, and so just vote. It's hard for
Speaker 1: many people to stuff. I don't know, Danielle, where we
Speaker 1: go from here? Because I said, you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was the Monday after the decision, and I tweeted
Speaker 1: and I said, this is going to be the first
Speaker 1: Monday of a generation of Mondays that are hard to
Speaker 1: get out of bed four right, And as I listened
Speaker 1: to you, and I think it and it really is
Speaker 1: cemented into my understanding that this generation, this young generation
Speaker 1: Gen Z, is going to have less rights, less access
Speaker 1: to equity. Then the quote unquote greatest generation that this
Speaker 1: country loves to bring up. Then you know, then the
Speaker 1: baby Boomer grandparents and you know they're Gen X parents,
Speaker 1: And so I what are what are the options? Because
Speaker 1: what I keep hearing from the administration is that they
Speaker 1: don't have any. We just need to vote. What do
Speaker 1: you see as a handful of the options that the
Speaker 1: strategies that this administration could take today if they had
Speaker 1: the will Well, I think again, it just goes back
Speaker 1: to the conversations that I've had with people who've been
Speaker 1: in this space, who've been fighting for access to abortion care,
Speaker 1: not just abortion care, but really just for expanded and
Speaker 1: access to any kind of reproductive, maternal and mental healthcare,
Speaker 1: including pregnancy three, nadal care, paid family leave, all the
Speaker 1: things you said again that this country doesn't provide yet
Speaker 1: they in a handful of states will not force people
Speaker 1: to give birth and so UM, when you speak to
Speaker 1: those people, the answer is very clear. It is and
Speaker 1: the filibuster, expand the court quotify row and then from
Speaker 1: the bully pulpit, as the president of the United States,
Speaker 1: hold members of your party accountable. But that's not um,
Speaker 1: you know, an outlier in politics. History has shown that
Speaker 1: plenty of presidents have been able to hold other, uh
Speaker 1: you know, members of their party accountable via the bully pulpit. Um.
Speaker 1: Miss McConnell does a very good job of it within
Speaker 1: his party to a certain degree. I'm in a way
Speaker 1: that someone might argue that Democrats certainly do not UM,
Speaker 1: but I think that you know, the study show that
Speaker 1: the lowest uh you know, amount of faith in the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court right now. And you know, I talked to
Speaker 1: a couple outside of the Supreme Court on on Sunday
Speaker 1: and they brought up when we took their phone, went
Speaker 1: to aocs on Instagram and just started clicking. She's saying
Speaker 1: what we can do? They wouldn't line by line, and
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we kind of want to
Speaker 1: see she's telling us the plan. So there are members,
Speaker 1: I think in the Democratic Party that have more concrete plans,
Speaker 1: whether it's aoclist before, it's also been very vocal as
Speaker 1: a plate and concrete steps. It sounds like the party
Speaker 1: just needs to listen to itself, and surprise, surprise, it's women,
Speaker 1: primarily women of color, who were leading um but that conversation,
Speaker 1: who have plans in place. If members of the party
Speaker 1: would just listen to you know. The other coded conversation
Speaker 1: that is also happening with regard to this countdown to
Speaker 1: midterms in five months is whether or not suburb in
Speaker 1: and I use quotations suburban women, which is called for
Speaker 1: white women will show up at the polls and this
Speaker 1: will be the issue that they show up for. Now, Danielle,
Speaker 1: I will say that fifty three percent of white women
Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen and fifty six
Speaker 1: percent of them voted for him in twenty twenty. So
Speaker 1: what expectation, level of expectation do you have that somehow
Speaker 1: the loss of this constitutional right is going to change
Speaker 1: their minds and change their change their voting pattern. That
Speaker 1: was one thing that did strike me to be you know,
Speaker 1: to be very very honest. It struck me as a
Speaker 1: little bit of a surprise when I was on the
Speaker 1: ground in in DC in front of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: Is there were a lot of white women who were
Speaker 1: very quick to honestly admit that they for the first time,
Speaker 1: don't feel safe even if they came from a progressive
Speaker 1: state that has shored up abortion rights, because they they
Speaker 1: share with me is I always thought that Row was selled,
Speaker 1: that Rowe was protected, and if Roe was protected, then
Speaker 1: I would be protected. And I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of white women that perhaps thought that they could vote
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and it wouldn't affect their ability to
Speaker 1: access abortion carepay needed, or starting to realize that's not
Speaker 1: entirely the case. Regardless of where you live. We've already
Speaker 1: seen an influx of people going to those progressive quote
Speaker 1: unquote blue states, and with that influx, it's pushing back,
Speaker 1: you know, abortion scheduling, so that people who live in
Speaker 1: that state are having to wait longer they're they're going
Speaker 1: to be inundated. And if the Republicans take the House
Speaker 1: and the Senate, they've made it no secret that they
Speaker 1: are going to try and pass nationwide abortion band so
Speaker 1: whether you live in California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Connecticut
Speaker 1: will no longer matter. And so perhaps this is a
Speaker 1: wake up call for those who didn't listen to the
Speaker 1: voices in rural and for and predominantly black and brown
Speaker 1: communities who have said, look, ROW has existed in name
Speaker 1: only for us since its inception. Maybe they're starting to
Speaker 1: realize that that what we thought was settled is not.
Speaker 1: There is no solid ground now it can crumble from
Speaker 1: underneath you at any moment. It remains to be seen,
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be before itself out
Speaker 1: in the power in my opinion of storytelling, and that
Speaker 1: does go back to, you know, being on the ground.
Speaker 1: And there were so many people sharing their personal stories,
Speaker 1: so many people who were reaffirming the will to have
Speaker 1: difficult but they considered to be difficult conversations with people
Speaker 1: sharing their stories with members of their family that perhaps
Speaker 1: they didn't know that they had been impacted by abortion
Speaker 1: pair in some way. If people are willing to have
Speaker 1: those conversations personally with those in their circle, perhaps things
Speaker 1: will change, because I think that is far more powerful
Speaker 1: than listening to those in positions of power who as
Speaker 1: you can mentioned time and time again, have not done
Speaker 1: that much to change the trajection. You know. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I had been thinking about too, is the
Speaker 1: fact that even in that speech that Joe Biden gave
Speaker 1: following this um abomination of a decision, he did not
Speaker 1: have the word abortion. So how important for you, for
Speaker 1: for for for the movement? I should say, how important
Speaker 1: is it for the movement at this grave juncture that
Speaker 1: we find ourselves that this administration utter the words right? Um?
Speaker 1: It does? Does it matter at this at this at
Speaker 1: this late stage. Well, I think anyone who's finding for
Speaker 1: any human right will tell you that it does. I mean,
Speaker 1: just look at the don't say gay bills that are
Speaker 1: talking up in various days to listen to the youth,
Speaker 1: to the people that this is impacting. The most name
Speaker 1: will tell you it absolutely matters. You say, you know,
Speaker 1: we call it by its name, You say the word um,
Speaker 1: and so yes, who should be able to say abortion
Speaker 1: as the leader um of the most powerful country and
Speaker 1: the planet of who are one and four people have abortions?
Speaker 1: Where abortion is tantamount in terms of ability to maintain
Speaker 1: caraby of pregnancy and to grow and expand families will
Speaker 1: he I don't think that he will. I think that
Speaker 1: we've seen that even the fall of a constitutional right
Speaker 1: own change the Venaco, this president and those within this
Speaker 1: cabinet are choosing to use. But I'm also you know,
Speaker 1: listening and reporting and speaking with people who don't care
Speaker 1: that they're really leading on their own communities. Now there's
Speaker 1: little faith that this administration will do much. So they're
Speaker 1: looking inward and looking internally, looking at their neighbors and
Speaker 1: their friends, and are really focused on building community and
Speaker 1: within that sharing stories and saying abortion out loud. And
Speaker 1: so I think that if there is a change, it
Speaker 1: will be when this administration sees the power of community
Speaker 1: and people who are willing to do the work, and
Speaker 1: perhaps then they'll jump up. Danielle, last question for you,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess what do you feel right now
Speaker 1: about the future of this country, knowing how radicalized this
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has become, how personally I believe that this
Speaker 1: administration to be ineffectual, How confident that you are that
Speaker 1: this decision has shaken the foundation of people's understanding of freedom,
Speaker 1: And whether or not they will actually take the necessary
Speaker 1: sustained action to hold elected officials, including this president accountable. Well,
Speaker 1: I come at this as a reporter and a member
Speaker 1: of the media, and there's been lots of conversations, you know,
Speaker 1: from me to Black Lives Matter to now about our
Speaker 1: rule of it. And I think that one of the
Speaker 1: important factors of really establishing where this country goes the
Speaker 1: trajectory that we take is our ability to the truth
Speaker 1: and to speak truth to power. And so if this
Speaker 1: administration is going to shore up what fifty years of
Speaker 1: press legal president decided was a constitutional right, it's going
Speaker 1: to require bravery and people speaking truth to power, and
Speaker 1: in that means you call a lie a lie and
Speaker 1: you say the truth. And unfortunately, we've seeing whether it
Speaker 1: was January sixth, to the ways in which media covers
Speaker 1: abortion of both sizing, both sizing certain things and highlighting
Speaker 1: voices that are inaccurate, that are false, that are just
Speaker 1: straight up non nonfactual under the guise of neutrality and
Speaker 1: appearing non products. Soon while you know, make no problems
Speaker 1: about it, there are plenty of people who are very
Speaker 1: happy that we are coming up on a week without
Speaker 1: the construal constitutional right to access abortion. For there are
Speaker 1: plenty of people who argue the bus families safer There
Speaker 1: are plenty of people who say that this whole harm
Speaker 1: people who are pregnant in any of them here that
Speaker 1: they need. But that's not the facts, none of the
Speaker 1: actual those beliefs are not rooted in fact. And so
Speaker 1: what I'm focused on is making sure that we as
Speaker 1: members of the media meet this moment with facts, with evidence,
Speaker 1: that we do our job to not make things worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the media's obsession with both
Speaker 1: sides is um is why we are in this position
Speaker 1: to begin with. It's why Donald Trump became President of
Speaker 1: the United States. It's why they believe that an overqualified
Speaker 1: woman for this job shouldn't have it. The media is,
Speaker 1: you know, the third est state, right it is that
Speaker 1: body that bears responsibility for educating the public. And so
Speaker 1: at this critical juncture, it's like, are we going to
Speaker 1: continue to go off of a cliff or will they
Speaker 1: pull the reins back and realize and assume the responsibility
Speaker 1: that they have. Danielle, I just again, I thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the work that you do on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, for being on the front lines of this
Speaker 1: fight for bodily autonomy for abortion for so long, and
Speaker 1: appreciate all of the time that you've taken throughout the
Speaker 1: years to educate the woke af audience as well as
Speaker 1: myself on what needs to be done. Just we greatly
Speaker 1: appreciate you in sending you love, strength and light as
Speaker 1: we continue to traverse through these really dark times. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: my friend, thank you so much for having me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're a light in the darkness, and I'm so thankful
Speaker 1: for your voice. And as always, I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: get together. We'll rage next time. We'll rage next time.
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