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Speaker 4: All right, good morning, welcome to the Counterpoints.

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Speaker 5: I'm Ryan Graelm here in the studio by myself here

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Speaker 5: Awshinsky out on the road, a working journalist, but joining

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Speaker 5: us for the show and nonetheless deeply appreciated Emily.

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Speaker 4: How you doing great.

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Speaker 6: I'm here at Scenic LaGuardia, and now I actually mean

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Speaker 6: that because they did a nice job Withlaguardia when they

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Speaker 6: did their COVID renovations.

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Speaker 4: America has made great again.

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Speaker 5: So what we learned over the last two days is

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Speaker 5: that the next four years is going to be nothing

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Speaker 5: if not exciting.

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Speaker 4: That's for sure.

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Speaker 5: From the left, it might be utterly terrifying. Some parts

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Speaker 5: of it might be invigorating, but there's I don't know

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Speaker 5: when this guy is going to slow down. Uh, maybe

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Speaker 5: he's going to plow right through his first hundred days.

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Speaker 5: When when is Trump going to get a round of

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Speaker 5: golf in? The guy must be shaking at this point.

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Speaker 6: You just had to go for the golf r and

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Speaker 6: if anything, you should be wanting him to golf.

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Speaker 5: Relax as the guy. The guys on an absolute role.

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about more of the executive orders

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Speaker 5: that he's been rolling. And he had a kind of

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Speaker 5: wild press conference last night. Not wild, it's it's a

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Speaker 5: it was a Trump press conference, That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: It's not we have to stop calling them wild.

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Speaker 4: It's not wild.

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Speaker 5: At this point, there's a ton of news on the

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Speaker 5: immigration front, you know, announcement that raids are starting, uh,

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Speaker 5: a kind of backdoor Muslim band getting kicked in, fights

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And then we've uh, then we've got a five hundred

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Speaker 5: an interesting through line with the immigration conversation.

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Speaker 4: We can talk more about that.

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Speaker 5: The South is blanketed with snow wild. The scenes out

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Speaker 5: of the people watching the show are experiencing just an

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Speaker 5: extraordinary weather event right now. I know down here in

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Speaker 4: Awfully chilly down here.

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk more about the fallout from elon musks.

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Speaker 5: What do they call it, awkward hand gesture? You know,

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Speaker 5: whenever somebody is out there supporting the far right wing

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Speaker 4: Everybody thinks it's a sea kail. It's quite outrightous.

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about some of their response to that,

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Speaker 5: Israeli raid on Janine, as well as the kind of

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Speaker 5: ongoing attempts to keep the thees fire in Gaza together, as

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Speaker 5: So Emily, let's start with Donald Trump's press conference yesterday

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Speaker 5: and we can pick up.

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Speaker 4: Let's pick up with this.

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Speaker 5: Question where he gets asked about the brewing debate within

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Speaker 5: the MAGA coalition about H one B Visas and HB one.

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Speaker 1: I know the program very well.

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Speaker 7: I use the program matred ds wine. You know experts,

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Speaker 7: even waiters, high quality waiters. You got to get the

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Speaker 7: best people. Now, then you go into people like Larry

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Speaker 7: and he needs engineers, and Massa needs and this gentleman

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Speaker 7: needs engineers like nobody's ever needed engineers. Right.

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Speaker 5: So, so this puts Trump in a situation where I

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Speaker 5: don't think he's quite comfortable emily basically being the defender

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Speaker 5: What you like is that you can pay that Major

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Speaker 5: That is the reason that employers like like these programs,

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Speaker 5: not because they can't find the skilled workers.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the counter argument. So what I'm.

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Speaker 5: Hearing is that this is this is really erupting inside

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Speaker 5: which is which is pretty funny that the brologarchs seem

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Speaker 6: What are you hearing, Well, you know it's funny you

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Speaker 6: say the broligarchs line, and that Steve Bannon says it

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Speaker 6: because I had a source who was at the Bitcoin

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Speaker 6: hwin B visas, at least to the extent he remembers

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Speaker 6: it is exactly why people like Steven Miller and Steve

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Speaker 6: Bannon are deeply against h twin b Visas Sager explains

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Speaker 5: actually do need. Let's you're a you're in a town

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Speaker 4: And then okay, then you bring in people anyway, go.

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Speaker 6: Ahead, Well, no, I mean one of the things I

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Speaker 6: As we're seeing right now, is that they're the ones

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Speaker 6: And so the way that Donald Trump was just laid

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Speaker 6: it heightens the contradictions, right, that it gets the oligarchs

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Speaker 6: the administration. But who's going to win out in the

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Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know.

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Speaker 6: How those guys are going to deal with with these deep,

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Speaker 6: deep ideological disruptions. When Steve Bannon has been calling Elon

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: It feels weird to be rooting for Steve Bannon in

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Speaker 6: One's a jersey that says Bannon on the back.

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Speaker 5: He made a comment, he made a comment on his

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Speaker 5: And I had not heard nationalists to act as sort

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Speaker 5: Say, yes, like all, we're all humans around the world, we.

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Speaker 4: Should all we should all value each other.

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Speaker 6: Issues that can crop up with those domestic disparities as

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Speaker 6: they can create, culturally, the disparities they can create. But

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Speaker 6: don't know, Bannon is really deep into like Marxist Leninism,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which I think you couldn't separate, because it really

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Speaker 5: Since we're talking about ross Son. Donald Trump announced that

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Speaker 4: Now, like many decades.

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Speaker 5: He's going to die in prison, probably at this point

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Speaker 4: We win, We're gonna We're gonna pardon Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 5: Like in the nineteen nineties, I was making phone calls

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely delightful.

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Speaker 5: Like in two thousand, I went with a Green Party

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Speaker 5: ideological case for libertarianism and for exposing government secrets, whereas

441
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Speaker 5: Ross's an anrochocapitalist, like he's a hardcore libertarian identifies as one.

442
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Speaker 5: He acted as a liberty anyway, Like why him over Snowden?

443
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think Snowden is too much of a

444
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Speaker 1: popular figure.

445
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Speaker 6: It would rankle way too many establishment Republicans it would

446
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Speaker 6: just be harder for Trump to get done without creating

447
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 6: a firestorm.

448
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: That ends up with negotiations over other things.

449
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Speaker 6: Right, Like, I just don't think most establishment Republicans care

450
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Speaker 6: that much. He's been in jail since what his arrest

451
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Speaker 6: in twenty thirteen. He was charged. I think he was

452
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Speaker 6: finally sentenced in twenty fifteen. So he's been in prison

453
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Speaker 6: for a really long time. And the Internet has changed

454
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Speaker 6: dramatically during that time, and a lot of people would

455
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Speaker 6: argue dramatically for the worst.

456
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that Silk Road is great.

457
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Speaker 6: I feel a lot like Sager who posted on XT

458
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Speaker 6: basically like, I'm not a big fan of Silk Road,

459
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Speaker 6: but what you if you read about what happened to

460
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Speaker 6: Russ Olbrich, it's one of the craziest things. It's not

461
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Speaker 6: entirely surprising, again, but it's a it's an insane story.

462
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Speaker 6: I think it was just less of a sort of

463
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Speaker 6: explosive decision, you like, you know, if you pardon Snowed

464
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Speaker 6: and that just goes off like a bomb.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to get through.

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah makes sense. But yeah, so Peltier pardoned.

467
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Speaker 5: He's eighty and he will it's pardoned to home confinement,

468
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Speaker 5: not pardoned, He's commuted to home confinement.

469
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Speaker 4: So there he's he's an old man.

470
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Speaker 5: He'sn't been held in you know, very difficult federal prison

471
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Speaker 5: conditions for many decades, which is going to take a

472
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Speaker 5: toll on you. Uh So, at least I guess he'll

473
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Speaker 5: get to die at home anyway. Uh So. Uh So,

474
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Speaker 5: what's been the reaction on the right to the Ross pardon?

475
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Speaker 6: You know, Libertarians are obviously really pleased, but I think

476
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Speaker 6: it just goes to what we were talking about a

477
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Speaker 6: moment ago, which Republicans don't really care that much. You know,

478
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Speaker 6: I've seen, i think the Free press published like dueling

479
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Speaker 6: pieces on why it was good and why it was bad,

480
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Speaker 6: when the why it was bad is from Charles Van

481
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Speaker 6: Lehman at the Manhattan Institute. But they're just it didn't

482
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Speaker 6: ruffle many feathers. Again, I think it's a lot of

483
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Speaker 6: people just see it as sort of old news, and

484
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Speaker 6: the Internet has kind of moved on during that time period,

485
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Speaker 6: so it's not a scalp that people feel they need

486
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Speaker 6: to cling to. So probably a very successful decision for Trump,

487
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Speaker 6: sort of vindicating for mccardal and those folks in that

488
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Speaker 6: wing of the Libertarian Party.

489
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Speaker 5: And for people who don't know, we should have mentioned

490
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Speaker 5: it off the top. He was the founder of the

491
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Speaker 5: CEO of Silk Road, which was a place where you

492
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Speaker 5: could buy and sell stuff. And you know, the main

493
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Speaker 5: thing that people were buying and selling on there was

494
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Speaker 5: or a main thing was drugs. They and they basically

495
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Speaker 5: got him for that, some complicit city in that accused

496
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Speaker 5: him of basically being a kingpin. Later after he was

497
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Speaker 5: convicted of that, they put forward some evidence that he

498
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Speaker 5: had tried to take out contracts to kill people that

499
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Speaker 5: apparently did not exist, like.

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Speaker 1: Somebody seemed like an entrapman.

501
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Speaker 6: He claims that his supporters claim the FBI doctor emails

502
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Speaker 6: right to make it look like.

503
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Speaker 4: His supporters say none of those. His supporters say this

504
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Speaker 4: is fake.

505
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Speaker 1: He was never charged, which was just it probably didn't.

506
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Speaker 5: Yeah, now they they argue on the other side, Uh,

507
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Speaker 5: well we didn't charge Hi because he already had a

508
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Speaker 5: life sentence, So what was the point. Also, there was

509
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Speaker 5: so much corruption, like extra levels of corruption and his prosecution,

510
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Speaker 5: like several of the like lead investigators were like caught

511
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Speaker 5: like stealing bitcoin and drugs and like it. It was

512
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Speaker 5: an absolutely gigantic mess, so they probably didn't want to

513
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Speaker 5: kind of go back into that and kind of you know,

514
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Speaker 5: peel back the layers of that onion and find.

515
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Speaker 6: Well, the judge said, this life sentence, which again he

516
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Speaker 6: was not convicted of any violent crime, was all nonviolent.

517
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Speaker 6: He wasn't convicted of selling any of the drugs himself,

518
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Speaker 6: It was just facilitating their sale. A life sentence for

519
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 6: that is sort of mind boggling, So that that excuse

520
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Speaker 6: for them not charging him with the alleged murder of

521
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Speaker 6: a higher plot doesn't really pass the smell test.

522
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there were no people like so even even

523
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Speaker 5: if you take the allegations completely at face value, they

524
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 5: say that somebody was making up people that didn't exist

525
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Speaker 5: that were harassing him and then extorting him to go

526
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Speaker 5: and like kill those people that like, which is kind

527
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Speaker 5: of bizarre and liked lends some credence to the claim

528
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Speaker 5: that this that that that whole thing was made up.

529
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Speaker 5: But yet, like, there are a lot of illegal substances

530
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Speaker 5: and illegal things bought and sold on eBay and Amazon

531
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Speaker 5: and and using lots of other platforms, and we haven't

532
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Speaker 5: yet you know, arrested Jeff Bezos. So yeah, you can

533
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: you can see why people feel like this is this

534
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Speaker 5: was treated differently, although Silk is not exactly Amazon, although

535
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: Amazon has become like this absolute cesspool of scams.

536
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Speaker 1: It's rough.

537
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Speaker 5: Like when we when we were doing the push to

538
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Speaker 5: get people to buy Ray fat Olarreer's book If I

539
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: Must Die, we ended up selling I think pushing like

540
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Speaker 5: twenty thousand copies in a matter of a week, and

541
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Speaker 5: the internet or somebody you know, picked up on that

542
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Speaker 5: and started making fake versions of it. So within days

543
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Speaker 5: Amazon was selling like fake copies of this book of

544
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Speaker 5: poems and pros. And I heard from some people who

545
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Speaker 5: who accidentally bought it, and it just shows up.

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Speaker 4: It's like nothing, just totally.

547
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Speaker 5: It's like and Bezos and and Lena kana is like,

548
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: you know, looked very closely at this, like they could

549
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: do something about this that they're not doing, you know,

550
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 5: but it works for them, like they're making money out

551
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Speaker 5: they're making money both ways.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of scams, if we.

553
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Speaker 5: Can go jump to a four, let's roll this from

554
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Speaker 5: maybe you can explain some of this to me.

555
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Speaker 4: But here's Trump and his meme coin benefited.

556
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Speaker 10: I don't know where it is.

557
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 7: I don't know much about it other than I launched it.

558
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Speaker 7: I heard it was very successful.

559
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Speaker 4: I haven't checked it.

560
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Speaker 7: Where is it today?

561
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Speaker 1: I may die a lot of money?

562
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Speaker 4: How much.

563
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: Several billion dollars, it seems like in the last several days.

564
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Speaker 7: Several billion. That's peanuts for these guys.

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: So Trump made a meme coin.

566
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Speaker 5: And wound up making several billion dollars since getting elected president.

567
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Speaker 5: Is that what I'm supposed to understand here?

568
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Speaker 6: Yes, that is exactly what you're supposed to understand here,

569
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Speaker 6: That he's at a joking behind the podium.

570
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Speaker 1: That's peanuts for these guys.

571
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Speaker 6: As he's surrounded by Larry Allison and Sam Altman at

572
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Speaker 6: this one, you know, like you said, we tried to

573
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Speaker 6: say it was wild. At the top of it was very

574
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Speaker 6: much like vintage first Trump administration, very similar. He was

575
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Speaker 6: really going back and forth with these journalists, like mixing

576
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Speaker 6: it up with them for a long time, letting everybody

577
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Speaker 6: ask as many questions as they wanted to, essentially, which

578
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Speaker 6: has not happened over the course of the last several years.

579
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Speaker 6: Binding Kamala Harris rarely ever mixed up with the press,

580
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Speaker 6: let alone for this long. So it was a winding

581
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Speaker 6: press conference and Yep, the meme coin came up, and

582
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Speaker 6: it looks like that's exactly what happened.

583
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Speaker 1: Ryan and Trump is enjoying that.

584
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Speaker 6: And for context, Brian and I are both on the

585
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Speaker 6: crypto is a Ponzi scheme, So you can kind of

586
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Speaker 6: see where we're coming from.

587
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Speaker 1: I'd find it all to be rather gross.

588
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Speaker 5: Yes, is that the incoming presence or the president is

589
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Speaker 5: going to run a run, run a Pyramids game?

590
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Speaker 4: Anyway? What? What on earth? I mean, where do we

591
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Speaker 4: Where do you even go with that?

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Speaker 1: I think we go to Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is next?

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, So this was a quite poignant moment of

595
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Speaker 5: the press conference where he's talking about Ukraine. Le let's

596
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Speaker 5: roll him talking here about the extraordinary human toll.

597
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Speaker 7: Vladimir Putin doesn't come to the table to negotiate with you.

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Speaker 11: Will you put additional sanctions on Russia?

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Speaker 1: It sounds likely. Do you think that the war should

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Speaker 1: be frozen currently? Along?

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Speaker 7: The war should have never started if you had a

602
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Speaker 7: competent president, which you did, and the war wouldn't have happened.

603
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Speaker 7: The war in Ukraine would have never happened if I

604
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Speaker 7: were president. But that couldn't happen because the election was rigged.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, thanks, President, could.

606
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Speaker 7: Be very soon.

607
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Speaker 2: And you've talked a bit about Ukraine and Russia, but

608
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Speaker 2: how long.

609
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Speaker 8: Would you think it would take to end that conflict?

610
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Speaker 7: And I have to speak to President Putin. We're going

611
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Speaker 7: to have to find out. He can't be thrilled. He's

612
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Speaker 7: not doing so well. I mean, he's grinding it out.

613
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Speaker 7: But most people thought that war would have been over

614
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Speaker 7: in about one week, and now you're into three years, right,

615
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Speaker 7: So he can't be he can't be thrilled. It's not

616
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Speaker 7: making him look very good. Now eventually, you know, I

617
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Speaker 7: mean it's a big machine, so things will happen. But

618
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Speaker 7: I think it'd be very well off to end the war.

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Speaker 7: We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have

620
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Speaker 7: been killed, about seven hundred thousand Ukrainian soldiers are killed.

621
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Speaker 7: Russia is bigger, they have more soldiers to lose, but

622
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Speaker 7: that's no way to run a country.

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Speaker 5: Presumably Trump is speaking there from the briefings that he's

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Speaker 5: getting from our military, because those are bigger numbers than

625
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Speaker 5: we're used to hearing from public officials.

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Speaker 4: You know, nearly a million.

627
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Speaker 5: Russians, what's six seven hundred thousand Ukrainians is an absolutely

628
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Speaker 5: mind boggling and staggering death toll, like since twenty twenty two,

629
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Speaker 5: thinking of nearly two million families, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, who.

631
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Speaker 5: Had a son or a father or brother in twenty

632
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Speaker 5: twenty two and do not today because of this war,

633
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Speaker 5: And you ask yourself for what, like, what what has

634
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Speaker 5: been accomplished in the three years since then that would

635
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Speaker 5: remotely justify the sacrifice of nearly nearly two million lives?

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Speaker 4: Emily, what did you make of that? You know, I

637
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Speaker 4: came from Trump.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's we've seen, you know, those hundreds and hundreds

639
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Speaker 6: of thousands of numbers sneak into some press re folds.

640
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Speaker 6: I think the Wall Street Journal had something like that,

641
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Speaker 6: and it just we just gloss right over it in

642
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Speaker 6: the political news cycle of we don't do that here,

643
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Speaker 6: but most people just gloss right over it as though

644
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Speaker 6: this isn't happening, that this isn't something that we have

645
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Speaker 6: funded over and over again and seem to have no

646
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Speaker 6: legitimate plan to end. And that's what Trump That's where

647
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Speaker 6: Trump seemed to rankle some people who have previously been

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Speaker 6: hopeful about his anti interventionist streak. They heard him speaking

649
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Speaker 6: in a way that felt hawkish about Putin last night,

650
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Speaker 6: But I also wanted to say, Ryan, I think people

651
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Speaker 6: read a little bit too much into all of Trump's

652
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Speaker 6: different point A, B C. D in his negotiations, because

653
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Speaker 6: he'll say one thing, the next minute says something totally different,

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Speaker 6: and it's him trying to like set the terms of

655
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Speaker 6: the debate. And so obviously right now, behind closed doors,

656
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Speaker 6: he feels like he needs to talk tough to Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that that necessarily means hees all of

658
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Speaker 6: a sudden, you know, on Zelenski's side, one hundred and

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Speaker 6: ten percent, like going full Lindsey Graham. Hopefully, Ryan, what

660
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Speaker 6: it means is that we're getting closer to an end

661
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Speaker 6: of the conflict, because when you hear those numbers, apparently

662
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Speaker 6: from his security briefings, it's no wonder they're having to

663
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Speaker 6: yank men in.

664
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Speaker 1: Their forties off the streets in Ukraine to.

665
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Speaker 6: Fight this war because it's a death trap and it's

666
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 6: miserable and there's been no end in sight, absolutely no

667
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 6: end in sight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is and this is very Trump like. He

669
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Speaker 5: says the most belligerent thing he can. Yeah, I'm going

670
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Speaker 5: to sanction Putin whatever you can come up with. And

671
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Speaker 5: then he talks later about it, you know, being positioning

672
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Speaker 5: for his his negotiation. We'll talk about John Bolton later,

673
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: but even when it came to John Bolton, you know,

674
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Speaker 5: he's the way he describes his hiring of John Bolton,

675
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: his yes, he was an idiot and a warmonger, but

676
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 5: I used him very well. And what Trump claims, now,

677
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: whether this is ret conning or actual strategy, from the beginning,

678
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 5: he claims that he brings in people like Bolton to

679
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 5: be his his his yap dogs who are going to

680
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: make a whole lot of noise. And then he's like,

681
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: you know, you don't want me to let this guy

682
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Speaker 5: off the leash, do you, And then hopefully then he

683
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: gets a better deal from Iran, Like that's that's his claim.

684
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: Whether it's particularly true in the Bolton case or not,

685
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 5: that is generally kind of how he operates. And the

686
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: and the problem with being so transparent about it is,

687
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: you know you and I aren't the only ones that

688
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: see it. It stops working, I would I would assume

689
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 5: if you know, everybody can see it, and then in

690
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: order for it to keep working, you have to ratchet

691
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 5: it up higher and higher. And higher, and every time

692
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Speaker 5: you do that, you're playing with a little bit of fire.

693
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Speaker 4: But you know, we'll see.

694
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's sort of the thing.

695
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Speaker 6: It's just very, very unpredictable, and I genuinely don't know

696
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 6: how Trump behind closed doors is talking to bo Zolenski

697
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 6: and putin how he's talking to other NATO countries.

698
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Speaker 1: We'll hear more in the days ahead.

699
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Speaker 6: Obviously we're literally like forty eight hours into this administration,

700
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Speaker 6: less than that. At this point, Marco Rubio has been

701
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Speaker 6: sworn in as Secretary of State, So I think we're

702
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 6: going to start seeing a lot more that I'll tell

703
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 6: us directionally what's to come in the days and weeks ahead,

704
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Speaker 6: like in the next forty eight hours probably, Yeah.

705
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Speaker 5: And was it interesting that Trump had to issue an

706
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 5: executive order telling Marco Rubio not to be a crazy warmonger,

707
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: Like there's an actual executive order that says instructions to

708
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Speaker 5: the Secretary of State to make sure that you have

709
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Speaker 5: in America first foreign policy agenda. That's kind of a

710
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: did everybody got one of those or just Marco Rubio

711
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Speaker 5: that was a little.

712
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Speaker 6: He should give them everybody That would actually be just

713
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Speaker 6: like his as almost like a Valentine.

714
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to everyone. I don't know.

715
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Speaker 6: I've never seen anyse people like that before, but I

716
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 6: think they're more similar than they are different, to be honest,

717
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Speaker 6: and I know that's not great for the non interventionists,

718
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Speaker 6: but it's almost like Rubio's meant Trump in the middle.

719
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Speaker 6: He has had some people who dismissed the sincerity of

720
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Speaker 6: his changes ideologically are missing out on the real picture.

721
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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that he suddenly like Rand Paul, but

722
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Speaker 6: it means that he is genuinely like meeting Trump kind

723
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: of in the middle on a lot of this stuff.

724
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Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's move on to the looming immigration

725
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: rays around the country.

726
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Speaker 4: Trump borders are.

727
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Speaker 5: Tom Homan was on Fox News talking about some of

728
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Speaker 5: this last night.

729
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Speaker 4: Let's roll some of this.

730
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Speaker 5: Based on your initial schedule that today roundups of criminal

731
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Speaker 5: illegal aliens in the process of deporting them would begin.

732
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Speaker 10: It seems to have been put on whole for a

733
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Speaker 10: little while. When can we expect that to happen?

734
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Speaker 4: Where will it begin?

735
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Speaker 1: No?

736
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Speaker 4: It started? Did I started?

737
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Speaker 12: Ice teams are out there as of today. We gave

738
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Speaker 12: them the in direction to prioritize public safety threats that

739
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Speaker 12: we're looking for that. We've been working on the target list.

740
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Speaker 12: There was some discussion about Chicago because a Pacific operational

741
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Speaker 12: plan was released, so we had to look at and

742
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Speaker 12: re evaluate does this raise after safety concerns? And it does,

743
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Speaker 12: but we read dressed that and teams are all effective today.

744
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so at dropsite, we had some people in

745
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Speaker 5: Chicago and they they and there was they spoke to

746
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Speaker 5: some undocumented folks who did actually said they had some

747
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Speaker 5: encounters with ICE agents and they told them they were

748
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Speaker 5: undocumented and ICE agents let them go.

749
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Speaker 4: They were kind of.

750
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Speaker 5: Going around parking lots basically looking for people who look

751
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Speaker 5: like day laborers and just asking them for papers. There's

752
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: a lot of confusion going around and we can actually

753
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Speaker 5: put up B two.

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Speaker 4: This is a good example.

755
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Speaker 5: This is in it's you know, Chicago, like every city

756
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Speaker 5: has a you know, a news outlet focused on the

757
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Speaker 5: restaurants and the reporting there. It's that a lot of

758
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Speaker 5: people are not showing up for work. There's a lot

759
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Speaker 5: of skittishness. There's there's a lot of concern that that

760
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Speaker 5: the raids are going to hit hit say kitchens, and

761
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Speaker 5: drag everybody out. What Homan is saying there is that

762
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Speaker 5: announcing it as Trump did that he's going to hit

763
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Speaker 5: Chicago on Tuesday, you know, created that kind of panic

764
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Speaker 5: and and may have then caused some officer safety issues.

765
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Speaker 5: So I suppose what he's but on the one hand,

766
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Speaker 5: I'm curious for your take on this. On the one hand,

767
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: only they want, I believe, they want spectacular images of

768
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: confrontations between We're not just confrontations, but they want they

769
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 5: want images of booted up ice agents, you know, dragging

770
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Speaker 5: migrants into the back of paddy wagons.

771
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Speaker 4: They want those images on Fox News.

772
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Speaker 5: In order to get those images, they've got to get

773
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Speaker 5: the media out there, and they've got to announce ahead

774
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Speaker 5: of time where they're going to do these raids. Announcing

775
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 5: where they're going to do these raids ahead of time

776
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 5: causes the problems that Holman laid out there.

777
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 4: So the question view is, am I right?

778
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 5: Does he just want spectacular images or is there is

779
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 5: there a deeper kind of policy being rolled out here.

780
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 6: I think there's something deeper because they again we were

781
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 6: talking earlier in the show about Steve Bannon and Steven Miller,

782
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 6: who we use kind of as representatives of this broader

783
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: anti immigration coalition that is now in the administration and

784
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 6: is powerful. They feel like they have a mandate to

785
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 6: do a generational immigration crackdown. So I don't think it's

786
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 6: just about the optics, and I don't think that you're

787
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 6: necessarily saying that, right, But I think they also genuinely

788
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 6: know they need those numbers in order to achieve.

789
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Their goal, and they feel it right now. I mean,

790
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Speaker 1: if you're talking.

791
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Speaker 6: People in conservative circles, there's you know, like a absolute

792
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: appetite for images that the media would have previously sort

793
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 6: of weaponized genuinely like heart wrenching stuff. But like they're saying,

794
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 6: we don't feel like I mean, the New York Times

795
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 6: ran that story on Sunday that said public support for

796
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 6: Trump's policies exceeds support for Trump, and one of those

797
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 6: things was deportations. And it's possible that people overreach. So

798
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 6: there's an announcement that people overreach and take that as

799
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 6: a you know, a mandate when it was just a

800
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: mandate to like make significant changes. But I don't know, Ryan, Like,

801
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Speaker 6: I think they're pretty pretty serious about actually expelling a

802
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 6: wide group of people. I don't think it'll have a

803
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 6: huge effect on public opinion in the same way that

804
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 6: it did back in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, during

805
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 6: the false kids in Cages narrative that said, you know,

806
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 6: this was implied at least that this was a new

807
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump policy and that it hadn't been happening under

808
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 6: Obama and blah blah blah. I think conservatives just now

809
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: feel bullish because they feel like they have disrupted that

810
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 6: kind of legacy media narrative setting ability, and they're kind

811
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 6: of ready for what they would see as like a

812
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 6: generational crackdown.

813
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: So it's I think it's totally serious.

814
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 5: Well, the difference in defense of the hysterics around the

815
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: kids in cages, and I covered Obama's kids in cages

816
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen fifteen. Those were unaccompanied minors who were

817
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 5: being held in bad conditions and that was exposed, and

818
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 5: it was good that that was exposed, and it was

819
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 5: wrong what Obama was doing, and he was doing it

820
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: for the reasons doing an immigration crackdown. What the Trump

821
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 5: administration did was a deliberate zero tolerance policy directed at

822
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: families who were with children, and they said, if the

823
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Speaker 5: family member is charged with illegal or entry or something

824
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Speaker 5: else along those lines, they will separate the children from

825
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: the parents, and they will and they will detain the

826
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Speaker 5: children separately. And so that was an actual new policy,

827
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Speaker 5: and when it was rolled out, it was rolled out

828
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Speaker 5: specifically with the intent of creating images that would dissuade

829
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Speaker 5: people from coming across the border. That's one of Miller's

830
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: big ideas, that you need these images to scare people

831
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Speaker 5: from coming in. So it was true that there had

832
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Speaker 5: been kids in cages, but it was also a new

833
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: policy related to child separation.

834
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Speaker 1: Well, and yes, child separation.

835
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Tom Homan, though actually comes out of the

836
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Speaker 6: Obama administration, like the Obama Deporter and chief Line, Tom

837
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Speaker 6: Homan was a part of that policy, although the Deporter

838
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Speaker 6: in chief line didn't get much play outside of places

839
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Speaker 6: like a huff Post on Huffington Post at the time,

840
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 6: And so I think there was a lot of really

841
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 6: dishonest coverage from places like Yeah, CBS, NBC, CNN who

842
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 6: had not seen the previous policies as turrence or anything

843
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 6: like that. So we don't have to get back into

844
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Speaker 6: that debate necessarily.

845
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Speaker 4: But I think to.

846
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Speaker 5: Your point earlier about whether or not there will be

847
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 5: a public outcry, I don't think there's going to be

848
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Speaker 5: a kind of resistance liberal kind of outcry over the

849
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 5: principle of it, but how he rolls it out may

850
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 5: have an effect. If people keep if restaurants are shutting down,

851
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 5: for instance, like like, as that article in Chicago suggested,

852
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 5: there's some nervousness around what's going to happen there, and sorry,

853
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: you control them to jump around. But if we could

854
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 5: do befour here about the about the farm workers that

855
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 5: this is this is relevant to this, whether or not

856
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 5: this survey is accurate or not. Directionally, it seems powerfully

857
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 5: in one direction, which is, you know, fine, if seventy

858
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 5: five percent of says seventy five percent of immigrant farm

859
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: workers didn't show up yesterday in Bakersfield because of fears

860
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: of ice raids, America's rural and agricultural regions will be

861
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 5: the hardest hit from Trump's immigration policies.

862
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Speaker 4: Food prices are going to skyrock.

863
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Speaker 5: So that's that's the kind of claim that you're going

864
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: to get from from critics of this policy, that you

865
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Speaker 5: actually need these people showing up for work to do

866
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Speaker 5: the jobs that they're doing at work, and if they don't,

867
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Speaker 5: you know, the food, food rots, and the vine restaurants

868
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Speaker 5: don't open you know, all the all the obvious knock

869
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Speaker 5: on effects that you'd have from you know, what they

870
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Speaker 5: would call a labor shock, a shock to the labor

871
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 5: supply all of a sudden, people. If people aren't showing

872
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 5: up because they're nervous, now, people aren't going to stay

873
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: home forever because they can't.

874
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: They need they need to work.

875
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Speaker 5: So it really depends on to me, you know, how

876
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Speaker 5: this filters down to people and what the actual scale

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Speaker 5: of it is is, is there any nervousness in Republican

878
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Speaker 5: circles that they might create something that they can't control.

879
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Speaker 6: No, And I've never actually, I mean I shouldn't say

880
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Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like this, but it's a totally

881
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Speaker 6: they feel like again it's a new age, like Trump

882
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 6: has been saying the Golden era, Golden Age line, But

883
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 6: that is more than just like this sort of this

884
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Speaker 6: attempt at esthetic optimism. It's actually because they feel like

885
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Speaker 6: there's a it is totally a new day, meaning they

886
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Speaker 6: can be aggressive about policies they feel like they have

887
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Speaker 6: a mandate on and not cower and do sort of

888
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Speaker 6: Gang of Eight style immigration politics like they were forced

889
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Speaker 6: to in you know, twenty fourteen.

890
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Speaker 1: So I think they're actually eager for.

891
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Speaker 6: The crackdowns because it'll create and I don't mean this callously.

892
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Speaker 6: I think this is you know, there's a substance of

893
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Speaker 6: conversation about this, but it creates on the.

894
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Speaker 1: LIB moments right where people like.

895
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Speaker 6: That before tweet that we had up on the screen

896
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Speaker 6: about farm workers. I just think they realize that lands

897
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Speaker 6: differently with the public.

898
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Speaker 1: Now.

899
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Speaker 6: Doesn't mean that it's a substance of debate to be

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Speaker 6: had about that, but I think they're like eager for

901
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Speaker 6: this fight because they feel like immigration is a winning

902
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Speaker 6: one in the same way that Democrats are eager to

903
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Speaker 6: talk about abortion because they know that Republicans are on

904
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Speaker 6: their back feet and it's a losing The more Republicans

905
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Speaker 6: are talking about abortion, the worse off they are.

906
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Speaker 1: And I think.

907
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Speaker 6: Republicans say the more Democrats talk about abortion, the more

908
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Speaker 6: the public is going to agree with Republicans because Democrats

909
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Speaker 6: haven't moderated enough on it. So I think they're eager

910
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Speaker 6: for the fight to be honest, and I you know,

911
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Speaker 6: as I was saying earlier, I think that could create

912
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Speaker 6: a real overreach. I don't know if it will, but

913
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Speaker 6: I definitely think it could.

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Speaker 4: You mean an immigration or abortion.

915
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Speaker 6: No, it's immigration. It could end up with some like

916
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Speaker 6: really bad overreaches.

917
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Speaker 4: I see what you mean.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's talk briefly about Trump announcing that he's in

919
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Speaker 5: an executive order that he's ending birthrights citizenship, which I

920
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Speaker 5: think as a news broadcastering correct me if you think

921
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Speaker 5: I'm wrong, I should add immediately, you can't actually amend

922
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Speaker 5: the Constitution with an executive orders.

923
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Speaker 6: Just like Joe Biden declaring the equal rights of men, right,

924
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Speaker 6: like Michael Scott declared bankruptcy.

925
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Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, so right.

926
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Speaker 5: Biden on his way out the door posted on Twitter

927
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Speaker 5: at the twenty fifth Amendment was now ratified and the

928
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Speaker 5: twenty fifth amn was this the Equal Rights Amendment and

929
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Speaker 5: it needed to get you know, I had to get

930
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Speaker 5: three quarters of the states, and Virginia ratified it after

931
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Speaker 5: Democrats took over the state, and boom, that made three

932
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Speaker 5: quarters of the states. But in the law that was

933
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Speaker 5: passed to create the process to amend the Constitution and

934
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Speaker 5: add the twenty fifth Amendment, it said you had to

935
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Speaker 5: do it within a certain number of years, and it

936
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Speaker 5: was very clean. Amendment twenty fifth is the one for

937
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Speaker 5: crazy people like me who can't remember which the which

938
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Speaker 5: amendments to twenty eighth Amendment the era, and they didn't

939
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Speaker 5: reach the timeline. They missed it by I think several decades,

940
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Speaker 5: and Biden just announced Okay, now, so apparently what Biden

941
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Speaker 5: should have done is just said, by executive order, I

942
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Speaker 5: have added the twenty eighth Amendment to the Constitution. Because

943
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Speaker 5: that's basically what Trump is doing here. He's telling you,

944
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Speaker 5: don't worry about what the Constitution says, don't worry about

945
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Speaker 5: what Congress says either, Yeah, executive order. So the argument

946
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Speaker 5: that he's making is that the fourteenth Amendment says that

947
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Speaker 5: anybody born here and quote you know, subject to the

948
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Speaker 5: laws thereof is a citizen. And his argument is that

949
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Speaker 5: people who are here, whose parents are here without papers

950
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Speaker 5: or without the right kind of papers. He's saying even

951
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Speaker 5: if you're here on he's saying, if you're here on

952
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Speaker 5: a student visa, that you are not subject to.

953
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Speaker 4: The laws of the United States.

954
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Speaker 5: That's just wrong, Like that's not even an interesting kind

955
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Speaker 5: of legal argument to hash out. Like anybody who was

956
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Speaker 5: watching this show who is here on a student visa,

957
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: go ahead and try to rob a bank and find

958
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Speaker 5: out whether or not you're subject to the laws of

959
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Speaker 5: this country. Like people here on a student visa, people

960
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Speaker 5: here completely illegally can be charged with crimes and in

961
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Speaker 5: fact are charged with crimes when they're when they're arrested

962
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Speaker 5: for them. So the idea that you're not subject to

963
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Speaker 5: the laws only applies and this is and this is

964
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Speaker 5: what they meant. It applies to diplomats. If you are

965
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Speaker 5: an ambassador from Uruguay and you were here in Washington, DC,

966
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Speaker 5: you are not actually subject to the laws of the

967
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Speaker 5: United States. And it's it's controversial thing because you'll and

968
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Speaker 5: sometimes you'll have some drunk ambassador. We'll run somebody over

969
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Speaker 5: and kill them and go home, and that's it. Like

970
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Speaker 5: they don't get charged with that because they have diplomatic

971
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Speaker 5: community and what you've seeing le at the weapon knows

972
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Speaker 5: how that works, or princes diaries or Princess diarist and

973
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Speaker 5: so therefore their children are then not American citizens.

974
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Speaker 4: Like that's that's the argument there.

975
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Speaker 6: I actually think the Biden parallel is a really good

976
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Speaker 6: one in this case, because what they were both saying

977
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Speaker 6: is I'm using my executive authority to say this is

978
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Speaker 6: now the official executive branch recognition of this legal interpretation

979
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Speaker 6: of the Constitution. You know, I interpret the Constitution as

980
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Speaker 6: President Joe Biden or President Ronald Trump. To say that

981
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 6: for the birthright citizenship is you know, it wasn't actually

982
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Speaker 6: intended to be interpreted the way it has been interpreted.

983
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Speaker 6: And you can amend the Constitution even beyond the ratification deadline.

984
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Speaker 6: It can be extended. It doesn't matter these states have

985
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Speaker 6: rescinded the ratification. So, I mean, this is becoming a

986
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Speaker 6: theme of the early Trump administration, and it's not entirely surprising,

987
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 6: but eos like this are clearly overreached. That would have

988
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Speaker 6: infuriated the conservative movement in the Republican Party under Obama

989
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Speaker 6: because Obama did like governing with his pen, and his

990
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Speaker 6: pen has pad and that was one of the biggest

991
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Speaker 6: conservative arguments against Barack Obama. And in fairness, Trump is

992
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Speaker 6: undoing some previous executive injections, but this is not one

993
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Speaker 6: of them, and they're not they are not all like that,

994
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Speaker 6: and this to me is very extra constitutional. But Ryan

995
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Speaker 6: it is an attempt to move the goalposts in a

996
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Speaker 6: way that sets the terms and sets the tone for

997
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Speaker 6: the administration. They do see this as a generational immigration

998
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Speaker 6: opportunity and if you.

999
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Speaker 4: Can put up B three here.

1000
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Speaker 5: So twenty two Blue states have already sued the federal

1001
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Speaker 5: government saying that no, hey, actually this is ridiculous, this

1002
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Speaker 5: is this is not how the Constitution is written. So

1003
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Speaker 5: we will we'll see, you know, the constitution is in

1004
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 5: our current system. What the Supreme Court says it is

1005
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Speaker 5: not not what it actually is. So this remains to

1006
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Speaker 5: be determined. And and speaking of fighting out the constitutionality

1007
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Speaker 5: of executive orders, there's a new kind of attempt at

1008
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Speaker 5: a Muslim ban, and this was we can put up

1009
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Speaker 5: B five here. So this is the way that the

1010
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: Trump administration is kind of back during the Muslim ban

1011
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Speaker 5: is that they're saying, Okay, we're not going to do

1012
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Speaker 5: what we did the first time around, which is basically

1013
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Speaker 5: single out these Muslim countries. What we're going to do

1014
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Speaker 5: is give the bureaucrats thirty to ninety days to look

1015
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Speaker 5: at all of the countries around the world and then

1016
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Speaker 5: report back to us about the countries that they believe

1017
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Speaker 5: are particularly dangerous based on this objective set of criteria,

1018
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Speaker 5: and then some are all of the travelers from those

1019
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Speaker 5: countries will be banned.

1020
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Speaker 4: And the assumption and it seemed to be the driving motivation.

1021
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Speaker 5: Tell me what if you agree, Emily, is that the

1022
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Speaker 5: bureaucrats are basically being instructed to come back with a

1023
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Speaker 5: list of Muslim countries, which they then believe will qualify

1024
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Speaker 5: as some sort of objective enough process that it won't

1025
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Speaker 5: look arbitrary and racist and will be allowed to pass muster.

1026
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Speaker 6: Is that right, Emily, I mean, it's a clever workaround

1027
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Speaker 6: as far as they go. That's the difference between Trump

1028
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Speaker 6: one point zero and Trump two point zero is you

1029
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Speaker 6: have four years of and I say this seriously.

1030
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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five.

1031
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Speaker 6: I don't think Donald Trump is like he doesn't have

1032
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Speaker 6: the book in front of him. But there that's a

1033
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 6: stand in sort of for the broader plans that were

1034
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Speaker 6: made in the conservative movement.

1035
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Speaker 1: And that's that's what's happening.

1036
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's you know, when you have four

1037
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Speaker 6: years to go back and say, if we come in

1038
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Speaker 6: with a mandate, here's what we're we're going to do.

1039
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Speaker 6: It's almost like historically unusual that they said we have

1040
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 6: this guy in Donald Trump who's actually going to do what.

1041
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Speaker 6: In some cases we didn't feel Ronald Reagan did George W.

1042
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Speaker 6: Bush certainly certainly didn't. But even though Donald Trump isn't

1043
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Speaker 6: of the conservative movement, he's someone who can be used

1044
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Speaker 6: to advance.

1045
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Speaker 1: The cause of the conservative.

1046
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Speaker 6: Movement because he's that like Nixonian madman.

1047
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Speaker 1: He's against the deep state.

1048
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Speaker 6: He wants to drain the swamp and he doesn't care

1049
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Speaker 6: and he sort of broke in politics in the paradigm

1050
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Speaker 6: and he can be the vehicle for.

1051
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Speaker 1: Like radical change.

1052
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Speaker 6: And that's you know, so far in the first couple

1053
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Speaker 6: of days, we're seeing all of this get tested.

1054
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Speaker 4: Moving over the artificial intelligence news.

1055
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Speaker 5: Yesterday at the White House, the main theme coming out

1056
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Speaker 5: of the first couple of days of the Trump administration

1057
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Speaker 5: is this immigration crackdown. But interestingly, he also held an

1058
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Speaker 5: event with some with some brolog arcs announcing a five

1059
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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollars worth of an investment into a Texas

1060
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Speaker 5: data center to power AI. Let's let's roll a little

1061
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Speaker 5: bit of sam Altman from the White House to.

1062
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Speaker 13: Create one hundreds of thousands of jobs, to create a

1063
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Speaker 13: new industry centered here. We wouldn't be able to do

1064
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Speaker 13: this without you, mister President, and I'm thrilled that we

1065
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Speaker 13: get to.

1066
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be an exciting project. I think we'll be.

1067
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Speaker 13: Able to do all of the wonderful things these guys

1068
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Speaker 13: talked about, but the fact that we get to do

1069
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Speaker 13: this in the United States is I think wonderful.

1070
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Speaker 4: So thank you very much.

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Speaker 10: First, let me talk to you Sam about what this

1072
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Speaker 10: means for AI and the future for the US investment.

1073
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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 14: This means we can create AI and AGI in the

1075
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Speaker 14: United States. In America wouldn't have been obvious that this

1076
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Speaker 14: was possible, but I think that the different president might

1077
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Speaker 14: not have been possible. But we are thrilled to get

1078
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Speaker 14: to do this, and I think it'll be great for Americans,

1079
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Speaker 14: great for the whole world.

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Speaker 4: Tim, So this has been in the work. We can

1081
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Speaker 4: put up a two here. This has been the works

1082
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Speaker 4: for almost a year so at this point. But what

1083
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Speaker 4: you saw at the White House was.

1084
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Speaker 5: These CEOs kind of slabbering over Trump and making sure

1085
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Speaker 5: that he felt like he was getting the credit for this,

1086
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Speaker 5: for this rolling out.

1087
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Speaker 4: And it is the case that the.

1088
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Speaker 5: Trump administration is going to be extraordinarily friendly towards AI.

1089
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Speaker 5: I think that's not even in doubt. We can put

1090
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Speaker 5: up C three here. You know, one of the executive

1091
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Speaker 5: orders that Trump rolled out was called, you know, unleashing

1092
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Speaker 5: American energy, and he basically declared that the United States

1093
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Speaker 5: was in an energy crisis.

1094
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Speaker 4: The previous energy.

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Speaker 5: Crisis that y'all would remember from the nineteen seventies was

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Speaker 5: a crisis so supply. It was when the OPEC countries,

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Speaker 5: you know, cracked down on supply of oil, people had

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Speaker 5: to ration it. They created this American energy crisis. This

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Speaker 5: one is described by Trump in his executive order as

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Speaker 5: a crisis of demand. And the reason he says that

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Speaker 5: it's a crisis of demand is, on the one hand,

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Speaker 5: all of the kind of electricity needs that have been

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Speaker 5: produced by the Biden administrations, you know mandate so, you know,

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Speaker 5: around climate change. So he nods to that, But importantly,

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Speaker 5: he says that the AI data centers are going to

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Speaker 5: need just absolutely explosive amounts of American energy, and so

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Speaker 5: that has created a crisis, and so he's going to

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Speaker 5: sweep away a lot of regulations in order to drive

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Speaker 5: down the crisis so that you can have these five

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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollar data centers. And what I found kind

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Speaker 5: of interesting about the timing here is that on the

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Speaker 5: one hand, Trump is talking about an immigration crackdown, which

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Speaker 5: from the populist right perspective is aimed at protecting American workers.

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Speaker 5: With the other hand, he's doing everything he can to

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Speaker 5: boost AI, which many American workers see as in direct

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Speaker 5: competition with them, as aimed at creating a tech feudalism

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Speaker 5: that is going to basically impoverish huge sectors of the

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Speaker 5: American workforce.

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Speaker 4: Emily, what did you make.

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Speaker 1: No wonder this roll out? I was gonna say, it's

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Speaker 1: no wonder.

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Speaker 6: He's listening to what Larry Ellison tells him on H

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Speaker 6: one B visus when he's working as we talked about

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Speaker 6: earlier in the show, on this five hundred billion dollars investment.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan, you know this.

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Speaker 6: We often see public private partnerships like this touted at

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Speaker 6: big ceremonies and then jobs don't materialize. One of the

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Speaker 6: most notable recent examples of this actually comes from the

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Speaker 6: first Trump administration in my home state of Wisconsin with

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Speaker 6: Fox Con that never panned out to be anywhere near

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Speaker 6: what it was promised in southeastern Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: And you'll remember they were out.

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Speaker 6: There with the shovels, right, it's previous Donald Trump, Paul Ryan,

1134
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Speaker 6: you know they were shoveling the dirt to break ground

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Speaker 6: and so these things are not always done deals. You know,

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Speaker 6: that's that can change pretty significantly, and it can always

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Speaker 6: underwhelm people. It could always end up underwhelming people. But

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Speaker 6: I think the sentiment, I mean, if you went to

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Speaker 6: and you probably remember this too, Seapac in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 6: all of these companies, Google and Facebook had fancy events

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Speaker 6: and they had you know, suites that were had the

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Speaker 6: nicest champagne and you know, amazing food, and conservatives in

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 6: the first Trump administration looked back on that as a

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Speaker 6: world really gross thing. Like the conservative movement felt badly

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Speaker 6: about itself because all of those they felt, all of

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Speaker 6: those oligarchs turned on their cultural values and detested them

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Speaker 6: and looked down on them.

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Speaker 1: And this is I'm curious.

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's pretty clearly ushering in a new era,

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Speaker 6: and it's beckoning the conservative movement to open back the doors.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I remember I used to go to all

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Speaker 6: of these meetings with conservative news and Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Like Nick Clegg and a Facebook.

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Speaker 6: Conference room saying, you know, here's how you know we

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Speaker 6: didn't suppress this. We didn't suppress that. Tell me what

1156
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Speaker 6: your concerns are. And you know, it seems like that's.

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Speaker 1: Just back like it was, like it never went away.

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Speaker 6: And it isn't to say that some like the religious

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Speaker 6: skepticism towards AI in conservative spaces is so generative AI,

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Speaker 6: I should say, is so profound that I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's clear yet how this is going to pan out.

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Speaker 6: But if if history I passed this prologue, and it

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Speaker 6: usually is, it looks like that moment is just going

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Speaker 6: to fade away like it never happened.

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Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, it does feel like we as a public

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Speaker 5: have kind of lost control of this situation here in

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Speaker 5: the United States and that the only thing that the

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Speaker 5: arks need to do is to kind of lavish, like

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Speaker 5: you said, you know, money at the right places, but

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Speaker 5: also then praise and in this case on Trump Larry

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Speaker 5: Allison of Oracle who along with soft Bank, which is

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Speaker 5: interesting from an America first perspective, like this is.

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Speaker 6: From an Elon Musk perspective. Musk isn't Musk in an

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Speaker 6: antitrust suit against Sam Altman?

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, big time.

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Speaker 5: Yes, they're they're at war with each other. And also

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Speaker 5: soft Bank foreign that's that's a foreign investment fund. But

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Speaker 5: here's here's Larry Allison of Oracle doing the same as

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Speaker 5: Altman kind of lavishing Trump with praise.

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Speaker 4: This is C five.

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Speaker 10: Once we gene sequence, Once we gene sequence that cancer tumor,

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Speaker 10: you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for

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Speaker 10: every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer. And

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Speaker 10: you can make that vaccine, that mr NA vaccine. You

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Speaker 10: can make that robot again using AI in about forty

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Speaker 10: eight hours. So imagine early cancer detection, the development of

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Speaker 10: a cancer vaccine for the for your particular cancer aimed

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Speaker 10: at you, and have have that vaccine available in forty

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Speaker 10: eight hours. This is the promise of AI and the

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Speaker 10: promise of the future.

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Speaker 5: Ooh, sorry that that was a different clip that I expected,

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Speaker 5: But that's fine because that's actually kind of an even

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Speaker 5: more important one, which is this is this is what

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Speaker 5: the kind of AI gurus are using to sell the

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Speaker 5: idea of AI as as utterly virtuous and making the

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Speaker 5: world a better place. And of course, if they proved

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Speaker 5: to be correct and they they could actually do that, wonderful.

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Speaker 5: We all we'd all love to have a vaccine that

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Speaker 5: prevents us from getting cancer, cancers, the absolute worst.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure he was reading the room right there by.

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Speaker 5: Bringing up mr NA vaccines inside the Trump White House.

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Speaker 4: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe he was because this is the White House.

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Speaker 6: This is the continuation of the first White House that

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Speaker 6: spearheaded the Yeah, the pioneering mRNA vaccine is vaccine through

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Speaker 6: Operation warp Speed, which was itself a public private partnership,

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Speaker 6: if you can really even call it that, to be honest,

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Speaker 6: it was just all melded together. So if anything like

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Speaker 6: Mary maybe Larry Ellison is singing from the exact right

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Speaker 6: him book. No, I mean, obviously, I think it does

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Speaker 6: highlight the the what seemed to be ideological barriers between

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Speaker 6: again the Steve Bannons, the ideological populists and the libertarian

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Speaker 6: I should say, the the quote unquote America First populists

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Speaker 6: and the libertarian populist, the tech populists and the sort

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Speaker 6: of middle American populists that now form Trump's coalition. It's

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Speaker 6: a really uncomfortable marriage. And so far it's sticking together.

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Speaker 6: But when you put all of these billionaires so deeply

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Speaker 6: into your own coalition, your own inner circle, just the

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Speaker 6: feuding between Musk and Altman, I mean, they all have

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Speaker 6: a lot on the line, like their futures, their freedom,

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Speaker 6: their businesses that's all on the line relationship with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: So they have intense scrutiny, or they have intense, you know,

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Speaker 6: incentives to get along with each other and to continue

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Speaker 6: getting along.

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Speaker 1: With Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: But right it is so fragile among them, and then

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Speaker 6: among the broader public, unbelievably fragile.

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Speaker 5: And this, of course is a global competition which China

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Speaker 5: is participating in, and not coincidentally, on Monday, on Inauguration Day,

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Speaker 5: the Chinese company deep Seek, which is a competitor of

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Speaker 5: open ai, published a peer reviewed paper that announced that

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Speaker 5: effectively they had been able to produce this AI application

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Speaker 5: that uses much less energy and is much more efficient,

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Speaker 5: and is wide open and and could be decentralized. And

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Speaker 5: so for people that are just listening to this, this

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Speaker 5: is just one tweet from a guy pointing out the irony.

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Speaker 5: He says, quote, we are living in a timeline where

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Speaker 5: a non US company is keeping the original mission of

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Speaker 5: open ai alive, truly open frontier research that empowers all.

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Speaker 4: It makes no sense.

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Speaker 5: The most entertaining outcome is the most likely unquote. In

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Speaker 5: other words, open ai was started as a as a

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 5: nonprofit intended to be open Obviously as open is right

1244
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 5: there in the name and decentralized and aimed at making

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Speaker 5: the world a better place. It has since been legally

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Speaker 5: dubiously converted to a for profit company. That's what Musk's

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Speaker 5: fight with Altman is about. Musk wanted to keep it

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Speaker 5: as a nonprofit, and they are going for a centralized

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Speaker 5: approach where they are going to spend at least five

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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollars, you know, on the on on these

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Speaker 5: data centers, and with the idea being that they are

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Speaker 5: going to just build so much computing power that nobody's

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Speaker 5: going to be able to keep up with them, Whereas

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Speaker 5: the Chinese are taking the original open AI version and

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Speaker 5: saying we're going to everything's going to be open. It's

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Speaker 5: going to be as cheap as possible's gonna use as

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 5: little electricity as as possible, and it's going to be available,

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 5: you know, to basically anybody who wants to use it

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Speaker 5: for a very nominal fee. And that decentralized approach is

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Speaker 5: going to be what allows it to get to get everywhere.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see who's able to win at that, but it,

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Speaker 5: you know, at least from the from China, from the

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Speaker 5: Chinese perspective, they're not. It's interesting they're not having their

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Speaker 5: policy dictated by oligarchs like we are the We are

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Speaker 5: the democracy where you know, we have elections, local elections,

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Speaker 5: we have midterms, we got presidential elections. I have a

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Speaker 5: voter registration card.

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Speaker 4: I can go down to my elementary school and I

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Speaker 4: can cast a ballot.

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Speaker 5: Yet our AI policy is not made by me as

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Speaker 5: a voter. Our AI policy is made by Sam Altman

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Speaker 5: and our oligarchs. In China, nobody there can vote. Yet

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Speaker 5: the the Chinese public seems to have much more say

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Speaker 5: over what their AI policy is than we do here.

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Speaker 5: How do we explain that and how do we understand

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Speaker 5: democracy if we're less democratic? I mean in the sense

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Speaker 5: that we have control over our government.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know that I agree with that, but

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Speaker 6: I do think we lose a lot of our credibility.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's just more of.

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Speaker 6: The marriage between It's almost like you can't call Chinese

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Speaker 6: business people oligarchs because the distinction between public and private

1283
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 6: just doesn't really exist. And I think things like this,

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Speaker 6: especially when they're not successful and when they're cronius, which

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Speaker 6: is you know, that's what Mark Andresen is trying to

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Speaker 6: say the Biden administration did with AI by the way

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Speaker 6: that they said it was so dangerous. We need to

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Speaker 6: just let the big guys do it, and they need

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Speaker 6: to listen to us. And I think Sam Altman seems

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Speaker 6: to have said, all right, well, that's the policy that

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Speaker 6: we Then we can you know, basically stamp out any competition.

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Speaker 6: We can do the best big guy, and we can

1293
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, try to mold the government to our preference.

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Speaker 6: We'll give Donald Trump money for his inauguration. We will

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Speaker 6: be there, we will say nice things, and I bet

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Speaker 6: it'll give us what we want, especially if it makes

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Speaker 6: it look like this is America first, bringing lots of

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Speaker 6: investments in, so you know that they're playing Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: and they're playing the system. They're playing the game in

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Speaker 6: the way that they have for a really long time.

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Speaker 6: But the point about voter control over AI is really

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Speaker 6: interesting because that is the I think probably one of

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Speaker 6: the clearest examples that and probably some of our defense

1304
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 6: policy of like the actual definition of oligarchy, which I

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Speaker 6: used to blanch at and you know, criticize Bernie Sanders

1306
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Speaker 6: for using in the United States, But that's oligarchy that's

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Speaker 6: literally what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's when people have so much money.

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Speaker 6: That they can circumvent democratic control and change people's daily

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Speaker 6: lives with the flip of a switch. And that's what's

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Speaker 6: happening in AI. So no doubt about that. I totally agree.

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Speaker 5: Let's move over to a weather update, and I feel

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Speaker 5: like we're going to be increasingly covering the weather over

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Speaker 5: here at counterpoints and breaking points as it gets more

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Speaker 5: more and more just extreme. If you live in the

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Speaker 5: South right now, you're getting absolutely walloped in Florida, they're

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Speaker 5: seeing something they almost never see. Let's roll a one here,

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Speaker 5: which also covers some of the other.

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Speaker 4: So this, yeah, here's like when was the last time.

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Speaker 5: Anybody in Florida has experienced like this level of snowfall?

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Speaker 5: You know, you'll you'll sometimes get get a few flakes

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Speaker 5: here and there all across the Gulf Gulf of America.

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Speaker 4: If if Donald Trump prefers, you go across the Gulf.

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Speaker 5: Of America over to New Orleans, you're seeing just absolutely

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Speaker 5: extraordinary amounts of snow. I mean that, I don't I

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Speaker 5: don't think that thing's designed to be doing that, but

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Speaker 5: looks actually kind of fun. So I think I would

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Speaker 5: love to hear from people who were down there. I

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Speaker 5: think this would be one of the segments where you know,

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Speaker 5: if you're if you're watching this from the south, go

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Speaker 5: down in the comment section, like like, let us let

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Speaker 5: us know what what what you're experiencing down there and

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Speaker 5: how people are, how people are responding to it. H

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Speaker 5: that that you know, that amount of snow in a

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Speaker 5: place that's you know, familiar with snow used to getting

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Speaker 5: it isn't isn't the problem at all. But we can

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Speaker 5: put up this this next element here you can see

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Speaker 5: how uh deep and vast this this snowstorm is like

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Speaker 5: covering not you know, New Orleans, all across the Panhandle

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Speaker 5: into into Georgia.

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Speaker 4: Uh, just truly truly like.

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Speaker 5: Unusual amounts of snow and colder in places that just

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Speaker 5: aren't aren't prepped for it. Now obviously, because you know

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Speaker 5: this is the timeline we live in, everyone immediately starts

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Speaker 5: making making this political uh the political link here of course,

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Speaker 5: you can put up D three here. Uh Trump aside

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Speaker 5: from announcing an energy emergency and saying that he's gonna

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Speaker 5: you know, lift, you know, lift any restrictions you can

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01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 5: find on drilling, baby drilling drilling in Alaska, drilling off

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Speaker 5: the coastline, whatever you find.

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Speaker 4: He announced, you can put up D.

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Speaker 5: Three here that he, uh, the US is going to

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Speaker 5: pull out of, uh, the Paris Accords, which, on the

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Speaker 5: one hand, doesn't matter. The Paris Accords are you know,

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Speaker 5: voluntary commitments.

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Speaker 4: And if if oh, D.

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Speaker 5: Three is a stot here, let's let's let's roll Trump

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Speaker 5: talking about withdrawing from the Paris Climate courts.

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Speaker 8: Next item here is the withdrawal from the Paris Climate Treaty.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, we're.

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Speaker 8: Going to save over a trillion dollars by withdrawing from

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Speaker 8: that treat.

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Speaker 5: So they say, there, we're going to You heard the

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Speaker 5: announcer at the end say we're going to save over

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Speaker 5: a trillion dollars withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accords. That

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Speaker 5: is just complete absurdity. You know, the cost of dealing

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Speaker 5: with the climate crisis, I think is far less than

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Speaker 5: the cost of not dealing with it. Ask ask anybody

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Speaker 5: who's dealing with any of the you know, knock on

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Speaker 5: effects of the of the climate crisis. And like I

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Speaker 5: was saying, it's a it's a voluntary accord, so the

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Speaker 5: costs are zero, Like it's just we signed, I would

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Speaker 5: say we're going to try to do X. We're also

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Speaker 5: getting to a place where it's very difficult for.

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Speaker 4: Us to use the arguments that we used to use.

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Speaker 5: We used to say, it's just not fair that, you know,

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Speaker 5: we're being asked to, you know, deal with the burden

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Speaker 5: of reducing our emissions when you've got countries like China

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Speaker 5: over here who are just blasting away with their emissions.

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Speaker 5: That was always a specious argument, because you know, China

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Speaker 5: was blasting away, creating emissions to produce junk that they

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Speaker 5: would put on barges and send over here for us

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Speaker 5: to use. So if really, you know, the one responsible

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Speaker 5: for the emissions is to me, the one that's enjoying

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Speaker 5: the kind of you know, product of it, rather than

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Speaker 5: the one that's making it. But setting that aside, China

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Speaker 5: is has either peaked already or is set to peak

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Speaker 5: very soon when it comes to its emissions, and it

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Speaker 5: is on the way down, and is also producing virtually

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Speaker 5: all of say, the components for the solar industry, wind turbines,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. So we are going to be complaining about

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Speaker 5: bearing the soul burden of addressing the climate crisis for

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Speaker 5: an eternity, while China actually goes and addresses the climate crisis.

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Speaker 1: And this show is sponsored by Byteedance.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, first of all, are you hearing from anybody

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Speaker 5: down in the South dealing with this?

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Speaker 6: You know, I've heard from people enjoying it. If you're

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Speaker 6: not in an emergency situation, you can see how kids

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Speaker 6: are just loving this. They're kind of this a once

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Speaker 6: in a generation storm. Across these Gulf States, there are emergencies.

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Speaker 6: There have been emergencies issued across I believe the Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida,

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Speaker 6: and Mississippi. They're getting snow in Texas, significant snow in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Actually.

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Speaker 6: The other thing I just want to mention Ryan is

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Speaker 6: that as evacuations are happening down in San Diego now

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Speaker 6: from another wildfire, and there have been lots of deaths

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Speaker 6: in the state of California just in the last couple

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Speaker 6: of weeks. The death toll we shouldn't forget from Hurricane

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Speaker 6: Helene was I think about two hundred and thirty as

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Speaker 6: of what we know right now, there's already there are

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Speaker 6: already where people are waking up this morning too. I

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Speaker 6: think news that ten people have passed aways as axios

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Speaker 6: historics know, and icy conditions have been linked to at

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Speaker 6: least ten deaths as it disrupts travel across the southern

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Speaker 6: United States. So this is you know, it's depending on

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Speaker 6: how you're experiencing it, obviously affecting people differently. But this

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Speaker 6: this stuff is no joke, no joke at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So be safe out there, and yeah, enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 5: See if you can find a sled, I doubt many

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Speaker 5: people have them.

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Speaker 6: You can use cardboard, by the way, that's it. Yeah,

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 6: that's a tip. You can if you don't have a

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 6: sled and they don't sell it at a wind Dixie,

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01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 6: just get some cardboard.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's everybody's got cardboard, and yeah, it'll last for a

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01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 5: half hour, forty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: Then go get another piece of cardboard.

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Speaker 1: You have a lot of it because of Jeff Bezos.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you absolutely do.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, it's Donald Trump's first week in office, and the

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Speaker 6: media is reacting about.

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Speaker 1: As you would expect.

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Speaker 6: Now, there's raging debate over Elon Musk's alleged Nazi salute,

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Speaker 6: and I know Crystal and Zager covered that yesterday, but

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Speaker 6: we wanted to bring this clip of Rachel Mattow reacting

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Speaker 6: to the moment that Elon Musk. He says, you gave

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Speaker 6: his heart out to the audience. That was the line

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Speaker 6: he followed up the salute with. But here's what Rachel

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Speaker 6: Mattow had to say, and then we'll bring you a

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Speaker 6: fun clip from the view, so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 4: My heart goes out to you.

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Speaker 1: He does it twice.

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Speaker 4: And again. Maybe that's not what he meant. Maybe he

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Speaker 4: doesn't know what that is that happened today.

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Speaker 15: What we're seeing here with the January sixth pardons, this

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Speaker 15: kind of thing does have the benefit of novelty, right,

1449
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 15: we've never quite seen something like this before. But like

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Speaker 15: with the corruption, the boring thing about it is that

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 15: we know exactly what this leads to. Authoritarian rulers all

1452
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 15: over the world have always liked to have pair military

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01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 15: loyal but unofficial perpetrators of violence and menace to work

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Speaker 15: on their behalf, to intimidate and hurt anyone in opposition,

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Speaker 15: to make it too scary for normal people to participate

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01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 15: in politics or civic life, to make everybody who might

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Speaker 15: oppost Trump in any way worry about the thugs that

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Speaker 15: might turn up at their door. Trump pardoning and releasing

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Speaker 15: from prison the January sixth defendants, including the paramilitaries, means

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Speaker 15: he is effectively immunizing his followers from committing violence in

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Speaker 15: his name. He's making clear, you know, if you support me,

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Speaker 15: the law.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't apply to you.

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Speaker 15: We've had political violence before, we've had civil war, but

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Speaker 15: before each of those things has been treated as a

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Speaker 15: calamity and a scandal.

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Speaker 4: This time it's a platform.

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Speaker 1: Okay, rain.

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Speaker 6: So what she did there was make this case that

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk, and if people were listening to this, they

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Speaker 6: didn't see on the screen what her chiron. What wasn't

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Speaker 6: the chiren, It was a picture on the screen said

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Speaker 6: was all caps.

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Speaker 1: This is not a drill.

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Speaker 6: And so she's making the case that Elon Musk's what

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Speaker 6: she seemed to believe was a suggestion or a gesture

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Speaker 6: towards metaphorically and literally that that kind of fascist, right

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Speaker 6: wing and maybe even Nazi history. What she's saying is

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Speaker 6: that ties into the j six pardons, because it's this

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Speaker 6: nudging of paramilitary groups that support Trump to to kind

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Speaker 6: of mobilize and rally behind him. So what did you

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Speaker 6: make of that that's a that's an argument that actually

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Speaker 6: I can see it being sort of a sendant. What

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Speaker 6: do you make of it?

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Speaker 5: I mean in general, Yeah, And I think a guy

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Speaker 5: like Elon Musk, who is currently out supporting the far

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Speaker 5: right in Germany, doesn't get a whole lot of benefit

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Speaker 5: of the doubt when he does this this gesture twice,

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Speaker 5: you know, one time, ok, whoops, then he does it

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Speaker 5: another time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I also think, and Musk has said.

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Speaker 5: Many times that he is at heart a troll, and

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 5: the like the troll kind of meme world that he

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 5: comes out of loves to flirt.

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Speaker 4: With this kind of stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: That's one of their main trolls, Like, they love to

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Speaker 5: get the libs upset about something like this.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 5: I could see him having done it deliberately with some

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Speaker 5: type of deniability, just to create this spectacle, because the

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Speaker 5: far right people absolutely saw it for what they believe

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Speaker 5: it was. They loved it, like they thought it was

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Speaker 5: directed right at them, like look what he's doing. And

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Speaker 5: it's not as if he was like, oh wow, sorry

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01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 5: about that, I can't believe I did that. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's just kind of laughing along with it, which is

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Speaker 5: what you would do if you were deliberately doing it

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Speaker 5: as a troll.

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Speaker 6: So although it's also what you would do if you

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Speaker 6: were like if you see everybody just totally overthinking your attempt,

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Speaker 6: and I'm just taking his charitable explanation, I'm taking his

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Speaker 6: explanation here charitably he was he He says that he

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Speaker 6: was giving his heart to the audience, So when he

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Speaker 6: patted his chest, he was patting his heart, and then

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Speaker 6: when he extended his arm, he was extending it up

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Speaker 6: to the audience.

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Speaker 4: So the charitable you did it like this right, that's how.

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Speaker 1: You would also smacked my computer, But that's.

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Speaker 5: How you would do that he did with the sprinkling

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Speaker 5: his heart on people like, how do you go from

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Speaker 5: how do you go that way unless you're deliberately like

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 5: come on, Like.

1523
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Speaker 6: You're giving him way more credit for being a well

1524
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 6: adjusted sort of adult human being, I think, but even.

1525
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 4: More work to do that than than the normal Like,

1526
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 4: but I.

1527
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 6: Was just saying, like, it's also like going along with

1528
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 6: it and joking about it, and it is I think

1529
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 6: also how you would react to it if you're like,

1530
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, people are overthinking the stupid gesture that

1531
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 6: I made with my arm, So I don't know if

1532
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 6: the reaction itself is any like vindication of the point

1533
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 6: that this was a Nazi salute. And I also, I

1534
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 6: mean a f D is that's what you're referencing support

1535
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 6: for in Germany. I mean, Elon Musk says that he

1536
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 6: supports a f D for like similar reasons that he

1537
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 6: supports Donald Trump, meaning the borders, immigration, refugees, asylum, Uh,

1538
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 6: that sort of thing, and a f D is it's

1539
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 6: just so wild and German politics are wild.

1540
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think there, I don't.

1541
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 6: I don't think there are you know, at least not yet,

1542
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 6: shades of early Hitler in Elon Musk. So to that extent,

1543
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 6: I just feel like I'll freak out when he says

1544
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,839
Speaker 6: something that makes him sound like a Nazi and gestures

1545
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 6: like this. To me, it just looks like Elon Musk

1546
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 6: being a weirdo.

1547
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 4: Anyway, The View responded to it. You know, let's let's

1548
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 4: hear the view.

1549
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 6: The View has been having a week. They've been talking

1550
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 6: in general about Trump reacting to his speech, and they

1551
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 6: had an interesting take.

1552
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 11: A sick listen the speech itself. I remember when it

1553
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 11: was done. My first reaction was you know, what is

1554
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 11: this country he speaks of, because I immediately couldn't reconcile

1555
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 11: the way I see the country and the people and

1556
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 11: how it is right now and where he saw it

1557
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 11: it was. He didn't say carnage, but he said carnage

1558
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 11: pretty much in everything else. Do you remember the reference

1559
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 11: from his first inauguration he said carnage. I just kind

1560
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 11: of felt this dark feeling, and then he had this

1561
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 11: kind of martyr like like, you guys are downtrodden and

1562
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 11: almost irrep you can't save this place, but I can,

1563
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 11: and like it had this like godlike complex without any

1564
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 11: Jesus qualities, Like it was kind of like a juxtaposition.

1565
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 11: But I was really disappointed, not surprised, just to be clear,

1566
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 11: but disappointed that there wasn't one kind thing to say

1567
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 11: about the outgoing administration.

1568
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: My postures this, you.

1569
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 16: Guys know, my criticisms of Donald Trump, they remain. I'm

1570
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 16: going to pay pray for the president. I'm going to

1571
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 16: thank him when he does things that are good, like

1572
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 16: the hostage deal. I commend him. I'm grateful for that,

1573
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 16: and I'm going to call it out when he does

1574
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 16: things that are recklessly.

1575
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna call it out when you.

1576
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 11: Talking about Trump, who's been negotiating.

1577
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 4: Love to see our old rising hosts over at the View.

1578
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: Now everyone's having fun. I mean the other thing.

1579
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: For people who don't know, like she was briefly a

1580
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 5: rising co host before she got snatched up by the

1581
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 5: by the ladies of the.

1582
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 6: View, snatched up by the Lady's View a memoir, the

1583
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 6: great memoir title, But yeah, I mean they it's interesting

1584
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 6: because just one more point on the Elon must thing.

1585
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 6: I just remember when I was at the Federal List.

1586
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 6: I think the right is kind of sensitive to this

1587
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 6: and hopefully it doesn't lead to something that gets taken

1588
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 6: advantage of by genuine bad people who have awful, like racist,

1589
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 6: bigoted intentions. But uh, the when I worked at the Federalists,

1590
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 6: there was like a many news cycle. You might remember

1591
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 6: this Ryan about the Federalist eagle being a crypto, a cryptic.

1592
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: Nazi symbol, and it just like, to me.

1593
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 6: This feels like it was plucked from that era of

1594
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 6: like twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, of like finding Nazi

1595
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 6: stuff in everything. But maybe it's also just sort of

1596
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 6: a roar test. I don't know, but I think the

1597
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 6: View also that clip. The reason I wanted to include

1598
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 6: it here is just that this this these differing reactions

1599
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 6: to Trump two point zero, there's some people who and

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01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 6: I think this is the views example. I mean, when

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01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 6: Trump one point zero started, Alyssa was working for Donald Trump,

1602
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 6: and now it's twenty twenty five, enthusiastically working for Donald Trump.

1603
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 6: And now it's twenty twenty five, and I feel like

1604
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 6: the view is sort of stuck in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

1605
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 6: whereas we're starting to hear I guess, smarter criticisms of

1606
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 6: Trump from different corners of the media. I don't know

1607
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 6: if you've noticed that, or like evolved criticisms of Trump

1608
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 6: that don't feel quite as hysterical as I would say

1609
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 6: that the Matto clip did just now or the view,

1610
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 6: I don't know, do you agree with that that it

1611
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 6: was evolution.

1612
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 5: The entire resistance liberal architecture is gone, like it's it has,

1613
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 5: It has not reappeared at all like the last eight

1614
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 5: years ago. On January twenty first, there were five roughly

1615
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 5: five million people in the streets. It was the largest

1616
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 5: single day demonstration in American history. Hundreds of thousands, maybe

1617
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 5: half a million in Washington, d C. And then another

1618
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 5: some you know, four plus million in cities all across

1619
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 5: the country, Alaska, like you name it. Everybody who was

1620
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 5: who had been kind of just passively involved in politics

1621
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 5: on the Democratic side and did not think that Donald

1622
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 5: Trump was going to win, was kind of shocked into action.

1623
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 5: A lot of them ended up running for office a lot,

1624
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 5: but they came out and protested the Muslim band shortly

1625
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 5: after that.

1626
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 6: And.

1627
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 5: That, like that kind of changed what Trump was able

1628
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 5: to get done.

1629
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 7: It.

1630
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,440
Speaker 4: It did create a political counterbalance.

1631
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 5: It's not even it's not even remotely there this time,

1632
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 5: like nobody's even trying to pull that together.

1633
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 6: The protests happened unless you were on the national mall

1634
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 6: over the course of the inauguration weekend, and that was

1635
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 6: so different from the Women's March, where you know, you

1636
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 6: could it was it bled into everywhere.

1637
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:39,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1638
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's it's just a completely different world, which

1639
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,919
Speaker 5: which then creates space for some different kind of criticism

1640
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 5: and reaction which is still taking form and shape, and

1641
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 5: we'll see what that ends up looking like. Following the

1642
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 5: cease firing Gaza, Israel launched a massive raid into Janine,

1643
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 5: which is a resistance foot stronghold in the West Bank.

1644
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 4: We can put up this.

1645
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 5: Article here by Sharif Abdel Cadus and Mariam Barghuti in

1646
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:10,799
Speaker 5: drop site News.

1647
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 4: We'll just want to read from a little bit about this.

1648
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 4: They write.

1649
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 5: Isral launch a major military operation in the occupied West

1650
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 5: Bank on Tuesday, raiding the city with troops, military vehicles,

1651
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 5: and bulldozers, backed by airstrikes, drones and Apache helicopters. At

1652
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 5: least nine Palestinians have been killed and more than forty

1653
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 5: wounded in the ongoing operation, according to the Ramla based

1654
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 5: Palestinian Health Ministry. Prime Minister Benjamin Netyah, who said the

1655
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 5: goal of the quote large scale and significant military operation

1656
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 5: was to eradicate terrorism in Janine. Netnyahu wrote on Twitter,

1657
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,520
Speaker 5: we are acting systematically and decisively against the Iranian access

1658
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 5: axis wherever it extends its reach. Now this is coming

1659
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 5: as at the same time that there have been riots

1660
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 5: in Jerusalem.

1661
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 4: We can put up some of this footage over there.

1662
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 5: Because after some of the captive the Palestinian captives were

1663
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:11,440
Speaker 5: released by Israel as part of the ceasefire deal, settlers,

1664
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 5: Israeli settlers then kind of stormed into a refugee camp

1665
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 5: to try to take revenge over that. The IDF or

1666
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 5: the Israeli police showed up and saw massed men with

1667
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 5: guns and believed them to be Palestinians, shot at them,

1668
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 5: not realizing that they were Israeli extremist settlers, and critically

1669
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 5: wounded two of them. And the result that the result

1670
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 5: of that shooting has been these these riots that from

1671
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 5: the Israeli public saying, you know, condemning the Israeli government

1672
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 5: for accidentally mistaking Israelis for Palestinians and shooting at them.

1673
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 5: And so while so far nine, you know, roughly ninety

1674
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 5: Palestinians were released as part of the hostage deal, already

1675
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 5: Israel has detained more than ninety Palestinians in the West Bank,

1676
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 5: giving a real kind of spinning the wheels feel to

1677
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 5: the attempts to reach some type of peace agreement here.

1678
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 5: At the same time, Uh the the Trump's Middle East envoy,

1679
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 5: the man you know, Wikoff, who was able to kind

1680
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 5: of browbeat Yahoo into agreeing to this ceasefire deal. Uh

1681
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 5: said a couple of days ago that he was considering

1682
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 5: a trip to Gaza to see for himself what the

1683
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 5: destruction has been like.

1684
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 4: There.

1685
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 5: That was followed yesterday with and we can put up

1686
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 5: F four here with an explicit invitation from Hamas to

1687
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 5: say that that Witkoff is is welcome to come and

1688
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 5: engage in direct talks with Hamasti, to to see for

1689
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 5: himself what the situation is to he and to hear

1690
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 5: directly from Palestinians and from Palestinian leadership, you know where

1691
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 5: they are on the the unfolding UH ceasefire.

1692
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 4: H Emily Uh.

1693
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 5: Witkoff's intervention into this you at Trump's behest into into

1694
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 5: this conflict has seemed to change the tenor of it.

1695
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 5: But what Yahoo is showing here, it seems, is that

1696
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 5: he is intent on ratcheting up violence, you know, wherever

1697
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 5: and whenever he can.

1698
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 4: Now.

1699
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 5: Besil Smotrich was quoted as saying that this raid in

1700
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 5: Janine was authorized by the war cabinet as a new

1701
01:29:55,439 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 5: kind of war aim in exchange for Smotrich and his

1702
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 5: party agreeing to the ceasefire in Gaza. So, in other words,

1703
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 5: if we're gonna, if we're gonna sign on to this ceasefire,

1704
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 5: you have to launch that this incursion into Janine and

1705
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 5: make this not just a police actions as sometimes happens

1706
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 5: in Janine, but a full scale invasion. So Uhahu agreed

1707
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 5: to that and is and is also saying that he.

1708
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 4: Holds open the.

1709
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 5: Possibility of not just possibility, but almost the certainty of

1710
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 5: resuming the war in Gaza.

1711
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 4: But then enter whitcough.

1712
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 5: Do you think that uh witcough or Trump kind of

1713
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 5: have the will to intervene here, because it seems like

1714
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 5: they'd have to just constantly befending this off, like that

1715
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 5: this is the kind of thing you can do once

1716
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 5: and that it's done. They have to be there with

1717
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 5: their foot in the door keeping it from closing at

1718
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 5: all times.

1719
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 6: And basically no Republican president other than Donald Trump would

1720
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 6: have agreed to this particular ceasefire deal. This is another

1721
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 6: way in which he totally confuses the boundaries, where he

1722
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 6: totally like sort of explodes the boundaries of acceptable policy

1723
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 6: maneuvering on the right. And so I don't know that

1724
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 6: people in Trump's orbit expected what you just laid out run,

1725
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 6: which I think is totally correct, because we know one

1726
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 6: thing Donald Trump is more sensitive about than just about

1727
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 6: anything else is looking a fool, being made to look

1728
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,879
Speaker 6: a fool. He doesn't seem to particularly like Benjamin Yahoo

1729
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 6: we've mentioned before, but he posted the reposted that Jeffrey

1730
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 6: Sachs video about a month ago, and.

1731
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: He's had plenty of criticism for netyah who in the past.

1732
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 6: So I don't think he wants to put up with

1733
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 6: Netnyah who's or what he sees is net Yah who's bullshit.

1734
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 6: He doesn't want to look like he's being you know,

1735
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 6: steered by Benjamin NETANYAHUO and that he is not fully

1736
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 6: in control.

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Speaker 1: As Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: And that's the dynamic I think that's going to unfold

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Speaker 6: with alongside this new ideological component to the point about

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Speaker 6: no Republican president, you know, agreeing to this deal other

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Speaker 6: than Donald Trump. But I don't think most Republicans in

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01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 6: Congress would have agreed to this deal, and maybe not

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Speaker 6: even in his own cabinet.

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Speaker 1: And so at least a phonic as she was.

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Speaker 4: Before we get to hurt.

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Speaker 5: One other piece that private people have probably seen. Trump

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Speaker 5: was asked about whether he thought the cease fire and

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Speaker 5: guys that would hold at his one of his overal

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Speaker 5: office press conferences, and he said, I doubt it now

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Speaker 5: and it's not as you know, he said, it's it's

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Speaker 5: their war, which I'm sure was caused for celebration in

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Speaker 5: Tel Aviv among the Yahoo circle.

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Speaker 6: Great, but what does that mean in terms of US

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Speaker 6: support you? So is that what's on the table with

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump? This is your war?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Is it our weapons and their war? Because that right exactly?

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Speaker 5: And what makes it their war rather than our war?

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01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 5: So that seems to be his his wish, like I

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Speaker 5: think that's what Donald Trump wishes, that it.

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Speaker 4: Was their war and not ours.

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Speaker 6: But it is ours well, And a big reason for

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Speaker 6: that is because the sort of ideological convictions of the

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Speaker 6: sort of coalition that's been part of the Republican Party

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Speaker 6: for a long time that we'll see on display here

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Speaker 6: is E five. This is a least stephonic getting asked.

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Speaker 6: And remember Trump's ambassador to Israel is Mike Hugabye as well.

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Speaker 6: So when you hear a least to phonics the answer

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Speaker 6: to answer to this question, just bear in mind that

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Speaker 6: this is.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously, we all know this. You don't even

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Speaker 1: need to be reminded of.

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Speaker 6: This a fairly consensus position among the sort of intellectual

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Speaker 6: class of the Republican Party. Maybe not the Median Republican voter,

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Speaker 6: although I'm sure many would say yes. But here's how

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Speaker 6: at least Stephanic Handa handled a question about the kind

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Speaker 6: of ideological underpinnings of her position.

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Speaker 4: Here answers in my office.

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Speaker 17: But I did ask you whether you subscribe to the

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Speaker 17: views of Finance Minister Smotrich.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Mo Trich.

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Speaker 17: This is Israeli Finance Minister Smotrich and the former National

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Speaker 17: Security Minister Benivier, who believe that Israel has a biblical

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Speaker 17: right to the entire West Bank. And in that conversation

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Speaker 17: you told me that, yes, you shared that view.

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Speaker 4: Is that your view today?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 17: I think when it comes to this very difficult issue,

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Speaker 17: if the President is going to succeed at bringing peace

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Speaker 17: and stability to the Middle East, we're going to have

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Speaker 17: to look at the UN Security Council resolutions, not just

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Speaker 17: the ones on Lebanon, which we should enforce, but other

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Speaker 17: UN Security Council resolutions, and it's going to be very

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Speaker 17: difficult to achieve that if you continue to hold the

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Speaker 17: view that you just expressed, which is a view that

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Speaker 17: was not held by the founders of the State of Israel,

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Speaker 17: who were secular Zionists, not religious.

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Speaker 6: Hiis oh great, So she's being confirmed for ambassadors to

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Speaker 6: the United Niche. And you could parse that in a

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Speaker 6: bunch of different ways. I'm sure she could, or a

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Speaker 6: defender of hers could argue that when she says she

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Speaker 6: believes that there's a biblical claim to those lands, they

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Speaker 6: just mean it in terms of like the Bible laying

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Speaker 6: out the history of the Jewish people having a claim

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Speaker 6: to being the indigenous people. Quite different, right, But oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean so I think the the obvious and that

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Speaker 6: you know, an evangelical Christian like a Mike Hakabee would

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Speaker 6: say that biblical Israel and the way that it's sort

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Speaker 6: of described not just in the Old Testament, but the

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Speaker 6: New Testament is referring to the modern political state of Israel.

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Speaker 6: And that's not an uncommon belief in evangelical circles. It's

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Speaker 6: not an uncommon belief in uh many religious circles. So

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Speaker 6: I think that's that's likely, uh the interpretation that's correct

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Speaker 6: in this case. In her case, it takes to explain

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Speaker 6: how why a least defind answer the question that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the word Israel is in the Bible, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: that's true, but what that what that has to do

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Speaker 5: with UN security resolutions is like nothing.

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Speaker 6: It definitely makes any two state solution, which is like

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Speaker 6: the point that US politicians push on Israel and who

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Speaker 6: says he doesn't believe in a two state solution. That's

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Speaker 6: the ideological position of the secular, even secular Zionists, even

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Speaker 6: somebody like who.

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Speaker 1: And that's a pretty.

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Speaker 6: Hard square to circle if you're if you're trying to

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Speaker 6: deal with the West Bank.

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Speaker 5: And so it's such a convoluted mess because of like

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Speaker 5: you like that uh, out of control ideology, ideological like

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Speaker 5: a relationship to Zionism that you're that you're describing there,

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Speaker 5: coupled with some other developments that we're seeing not just this,

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Speaker 5: not just the ceasefire that we have so far, but

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Speaker 5: also we can put up this next element up on

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Speaker 5: the screen here.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Trump in one of his first actions, UH, stripped John

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Speaker 5: Bolton of the security detail.

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Speaker 1: That's a great tweet though, by the way, you should

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Speaker 1: read it on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Matthew Petty.

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Speaker 5: Matthew Petty tweeted the Iran deal two point zero will

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Speaker 5: be offering John Bolton as a blood sacrifice in exchange

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Speaker 5: for building Trump Tower Tehran.

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Speaker 4: Which is like everything in this era.

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Speaker 5: Uh, a joke, but also not a joke like.

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Speaker 4: These are the these are the times we're living in.

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Speaker 5: Like Trump just yesterday was talking about how North Korea

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Speaker 5: has incredible condo opportunities because of the seafront, you know,

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01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 5: so much seafront property. He talked about how spectacular you

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Speaker 5: could do a kind of kind of condo rebuild in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: So the idea of Trump Tower Tehran is not ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: And they are literally in Arabia, no, I mean they

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Speaker 6: literally announced, the Trump organization literally recently announced they're doing

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Speaker 6: a second Saudi Arabia and tower. Like it's it's to

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Speaker 6: your point, Ryan, like, yes, but they're also like literally

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Speaker 6: holding these towers and with countries that we do these

1857
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Speaker 6: like extremely important form relations with and Trump is technically

1858
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Speaker 6: divested from Trump Organization at all of that. But we

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Speaker 6: don't need to open up the can of worms to

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Speaker 6: say that the joke has some legs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And my view on the Bolton cure is for

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Speaker 5: your take on this. My view on the Bolton decision

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Speaker 5: to not give him this twenty four hour security anymore

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Speaker 5: is you know, bold, like I don't you know, I

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01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 5: don't want anybody killed, but you know, Bolton has made

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Speaker 5: his choices Bolton, as you know, decided to live by

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01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 5: the sword, like the most militaristic kind of policy career

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Speaker 5: that you could really conjure up in twentieth and twenty

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Speaker 5: first century America. Like the body count that trails behind

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Speaker 5: him is just completely countless. So he got to do

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Speaker 5: that with his career. The public does not then have

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Speaker 5: some special obligation.

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Speaker 4: To him because he made those decisions.

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Speaker 5: Uh, security details are insanely expensive, like you know, million

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Speaker 5: could you know who? Like I don't, we don't know

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Speaker 5: what it cost, but like millions and millions of dollars,

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Speaker 5: like this is not a it's not a small amount

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Speaker 5: of money to have a security detail on a on

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Speaker 5: a single person like this.

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Speaker 1: And so correct me if I'm wrong. R.

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Speaker 6: This was he was the subject of an alleged Iranian

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Speaker 6: assassination plot and that's.

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Speaker 5: Right, and related related presumably to his U push to

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01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 5: assassinate cost some solemney who who was an Iranian official

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Speaker 5: who was killed in Baghdad after landing you know, in

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Speaker 5: the airport and then getting into a car with with

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Speaker 5: some other Iranian officials wearing a suit you know he

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Speaker 5: was he was he ran the IRGC and and you

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Speaker 5: know he you know, UH, so you know, he had

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Speaker 5: himself a huge trail of bodies behind him. He made,

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Speaker 5: you know, he made his choices, but assassinating him with

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Speaker 5: a drone in another country was it was a huge

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Speaker 5: break with norms uh and and and I believe that's

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Speaker 5: the main thing that that Iran UH has said that

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Speaker 5: they're you know, angry at Bolton. For for Trump to

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Speaker 5: so quickly strip the security detail from him does to

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Speaker 5: me suggest that he's serious about actually some type of

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Speaker 5: Iran reproachmont which he himself blew up by walking out

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Speaker 5: of the UH the Iran Nuclear Deal and then and

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Speaker 5: then entering into the Abraham Accords in an attempt to

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Speaker 5: kind of uh but you know, combat and counteract UH

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01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 5: Iran you through you know, a combination of you know,

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01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 5: an alliance between you A Israel and Saudi Arabia. What's

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Speaker 5: fascinating is that, you know, while we're inaugury and new

1905
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 5: president here over in Davos, the World Economic Forum, Joe's

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Speaker 5: our meeting, so of course the Saudis are there as well.

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Speaker 4: You can put up F seven there.

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Speaker 5: So the Saudi Foreign Minister at Davos gave a speech

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Speaker 5: basically it's very strongly encouraging Trump to continue pursuing warm

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Speaker 5: relations with Iran. And you know, so Israel's you know,

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Speaker 5: assault on Gaz over the last fifteen months has created

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Speaker 5: the kind of kind of political pressure in the region

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Speaker 5: that has pushed paradoxically Saudi Arabia and Iran closer together.

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Speaker 5: China has actually helped to broker or approachment between them,

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Speaker 5: And what the Saudi Foreign Minister is saying is keep

1916
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 5: keep that going, like we don't actually need to be

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Speaker 5: adversaries in the way that we are with Iran. And

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Speaker 5: so if this is some kind of blood sacrifice fig leaf,

1919
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 5: maybe maybe that joke of a tweet was not reading

1920
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 5: too much into it, and go to this last element

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Speaker 5: and then we get your.

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Speaker 4: Response to it.

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Speaker 5: This is f eight yesterday, So the headline here in

1924
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Speaker 5: the Jewish Jewish Insider is pro Israel Republicans alarmed over

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Speaker 5: Trump's Defense Department appoint e.

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Speaker 4: And it's actually kind of plural.

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Speaker 5: The yeah, yesterday, the Trump administration announced a whole slew

1928
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 5: of top political appointees over at at the Pentagon, a

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Speaker 5: dozen or more names, and not a single Neocon on

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Speaker 5: that list, not a single iron Hawk on the list.

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Speaker 5: They also announced that they were firing Brian Hook, who

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Speaker 5: we reported on here, who was He was one of

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Speaker 5: the hard hardest core iron hawks in the previous Trump

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Speaker 5: administration and was brought in to be the a chair

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Speaker 5: of the State Department Transition. And when when he was

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Speaker 5: appointed to that, a lot of people like, oh, yikes,

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Speaker 5: like this is this is bad news, Like if you've

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01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 5: got him in there, this seems like you're going to

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01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 5: be organizing for a confrontation with Iran. The first thing

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Speaker 5: he tried to do was try to get Mike Pompeo

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Speaker 5: as Secretary of State. That failed, and now Hook himself

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Speaker 5: has has been fired and Trump fired him.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you noticed this in a hilarious

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Speaker 4: way he said I have.

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Speaker 5: He basically he said, I have fired a bunch of

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Speaker 5: idiots from the previous administration, and he put him on

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Speaker 5: the list of those idiots who worked for the previous administration.

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Speaker 5: What he was implying is that he worked for Biden,

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Speaker 5: but he actually worked for Trump and was the chair

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Speaker 5: of Trump's State Department transition. So just a classic Trump

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01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 5: of like hiring the guy and then when he fires

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Speaker 5: him saying he didn't even know him, and he's like

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Speaker 5: pretending he wasn't the chair of the transition, and hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to call him out because good because

1955
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Speaker 5: you know, get that guy out of here. I think

1956
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Speaker 5: Sager posted something on Twitter yesterday saying, like the list

1957
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Speaker 5: of names that were at the Trump depart was just

1958
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Speaker 5: you know, banger after banger, like these are kind of

1959
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Speaker 5: anti interventionists. You know these folks better than I do.

1960
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Speaker 5: But from my people in these in this world, they

1961
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Speaker 5: were thrilled at this. And the fact that Jewish Insider,

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Speaker 5: which is a very strong reflection of the kind of

1963
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Speaker 5: a pack lacud wing is is alarmed, suggests that the excitement,

1964
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Speaker 5: you know, has the merit to it.

1965
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Speaker 4: What what's what? What's your assessment? Right?

1966
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did this as well. I forget which publication

1967
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Speaker 1: it was.

1968
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Speaker 6: It was a conservative publication and it was a I

1969
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Speaker 6: think a relatively pro interventionist publication that did this, with

1970
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Speaker 6: Bridge Colby at the kind of gun. Yeah, Soccer's probably

1971
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Speaker 6: right that like this is again we were talking earlier

1972
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Speaker 6: in the show about the immigration hawks seeing this as

1973
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Speaker 6: a generational moment for a crackdown because they had these

1974
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Speaker 6: kind of four Biden interim years to plot a potential

1975
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Speaker 6: Trump return and potential with a popular vote win that

1976
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Speaker 6: they feel like is a mandate and the wind.

1977
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Speaker 1: At their back.

1978
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Speaker 6: And they got basically exactly what they were looking for.

1979
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Speaker 6: And that'll have some interesting ramifications. But one place where

1980
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Speaker 6: it could be really positive is on foreign policy, where

1981
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Speaker 6: the conservative movements has made.

1982
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Speaker 1: A genuine shift.

1983
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Speaker 6: Not everyone, of course, but you know Donald Trump, you know,

1984
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Speaker 6: out with Bolton and in with these guys, in with

1985
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Speaker 6: the quote banger after banger list that you referenced from soccer.

1986
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Speaker 6: Taking a look at who's at the Pentagon, you could

1987
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Speaker 6: say the same thing over at the State Department. It's

1988
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Speaker 6: shaping up from what I'm hearing to look really similar.

1989
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Speaker 6: So that's obviously not to say that this is going

1990
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Speaker 6: to be like Rand Paul's Pentagon and State Department or

1991
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Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders Pentagon and State Department. But just about anything

1992
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Speaker 6: is better than the status quo we've been experiencing and

1993
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Speaker 6: you know for the last how many decades, and whatever

1994
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Speaker 6: you think about Donald Trump, he is very good at

1995
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Speaker 6: disrupting the status quo. And if it's going to get disrupted,

1996
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Speaker 6: please please disrupt our foreign policy because it desperately needs new,

1997
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Speaker 6: fresh voices. And Trump is sincerely bringing them in, so

1998
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Speaker 6: we'll see where that goes.

1999
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Israel. He seems very happy with Steve

2000
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Speaker 1: Wickcough so far.

2001
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Speaker 6: He seems very happy with the deal so far, even

2002
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Speaker 6: if a lot of his Republican allies are not. But

2003
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Speaker 6: this can all I mean, obviously, this is we were

2004
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Speaker 6: talking about. This is the theme of the show. Is

2005
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Speaker 6: his coalition of personnel is so fragile, his coalition of

2006
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Speaker 6: personnel worth, his coalition of supporters is fragile in and

2007
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Speaker 6: of itself. So this is just a lot that can

2008
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Speaker 6: change very quickly. But he's at least setting himself up

2009
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Speaker 6: in a much better position in terms of positive foreign

2010
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Speaker 6: policy outcomes than he did in twenty seventeen.

2011
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And the reason we wanted to do all this

2012
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Speaker 5: in one segment is because all of those things are related.

2013
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Speaker 5: If Trump only cared about the Gaza sees fire deal

2014
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Speaker 5: because of Gaza per se it would fall apart because

2015
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Speaker 5: he doesn't really care about that. But the Saudi Iran

2016
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Speaker 5: an Israel relationship is key to that. Trump very much

2017
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Speaker 5: wants a Saudi Israel normalization deal like that. He desperately

2018
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Speaker 5: wants that, and he wants that to be one of

2019
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Speaker 5: the things he does in order to get that. Gaza

2020
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Speaker 5: can't be in a conflagration. There cannot be in genocide

2021
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Speaker 5: still going on in Gaza. To get that Nobel Peace

2022
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Speaker 5: Prize that we were talking about on the show last

2023
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Speaker 5: week would require an Iran Saudi Israel. You know, you're

2024
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Speaker 5: not going to get Iran in Israel. But if you

2025
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Speaker 5: can get Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran in the US,

2026
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Speaker 5: Israel and Saudi Arabia together and deal that is that's

2027
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Speaker 5: like Peace Prize worthy. And none of that can happen

2028
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Speaker 5: if Gaza is still undergoing the genocide like that.

2029
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Speaker 4: So that would be the structural reason that.

2030
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Speaker 5: He would actually kind of push back on net Yahoo's

2031
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Speaker 5: effort to keep this going. The article you're talking about,

2032
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Speaker 5: by the way, it also was in Jewish Insider, and

2033
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Speaker 5: the headline was rumored for a Trump posting Elbridge Colby's

2034
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Speaker 5: dubvish views on Iran stand out.

2035
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Speaker 6: And then it's just absolutely stupid. It's complete nonsense. He's

2036
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Speaker 6: he's a realist, he's anyway, we don't need to get into.

2037
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Speaker 5: It, but it is just he steamroll He's steamrolled through.

2038
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Speaker 5: Albertge Gubli is in there, and.

2039
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Speaker 6: People are very excited about it. In the sort of d. C.

2040
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Speaker 6: Magot world, they're very excited about it.

2041
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Speaker 5: So all right, we'll see where that goes. Anyway, Emily,

2042
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Speaker 5: thanks for thanks for bearing with us.

2043
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Speaker 4: No, thank you on the road.

2044
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Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for bearing with me for sure. No.

2045
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Speaker 6: Ryan and I obviously both have full time day jobs,

2046
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Speaker 6: so sometimes his life takes us on the road. But

2047
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Speaker 6: just great to be here with you, Ryan, and hope

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Speaker 6: you have a great rest of your week.

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Speaker 4: We'll see who back here next week. I see everybody