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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Ansley Earhart at Fox and Friends,

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Speaker 1: and she's right, no trace of the missing woman in

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Speaker 1: So where did she go? In the middle of the night?

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel, But first again, thank

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Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, USA R Disaster Area Response Team volunteer who

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags on Amazon, host of Today with

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris Buyers, former police chief

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Speaker 1: But first to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen

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Speaker 1: Kilauren Allen, thank you for being with us. First of all,

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Speaker 1: did you tell me where it was the Sirens Song? Lord?

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Speaker 1: know what? I believe they were at? Four twenty dis

429
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: Center is my understanding. Twenty four twenty dis Center. It's

430
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: named after a bunch of Boston folks who Finway Park.

431
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it's four twenty two centers the distance to

432
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: center field four twenty two center. I believe leave and

433
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I may if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that

434
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: is the last establishment they were seen at together. So

435
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: Jeff Jones, there would have been witnesses it sarre there.

436
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: How was there anybody Jeff Jones that saw her back

437
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: on board the Sirens Song that night after dinner Only

438
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: mister Bain as far as I know, and that would

439
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: have been based on his reports to the police and

440
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: to his call as the costard. Interesting. Interesting, Jeff Jones,

441
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: What if anything, can you do now? Keep searching, not

442
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: give up, Keep keep exposing this story and getting all

443
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: the attention we can, and hope that someone comes forward

444
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: to saw something, that heard something, that knows something, create

445
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: awareness that this is going on and we need to

446
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: stop this. This has to find some kind of resolution

447
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. Jeff Jones. Have you seen Ryan Bain?

448
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Have you laid eyes on him? I have not. I

449
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: have not. I'm very curious about yep, I have. I've

450
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: never met him. I don't know him uniquely. One of

451
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: his lawyer's initial statements they put out was that he

452
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: that he was assisting search efforts. But I've been involved

453
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: every day and I've yet to see him anyway, shape

454
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: or for him. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we

455
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: are talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young former

456
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: flight attendant last scene having dinner there at the US

457
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: at the US Virgin Islands, we believe she went back

458
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: to a vessel with her boyfriend with me Jeff Jones,

459
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Disaster area response teams searching for her, to Andrew Baldwin,

460
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: her longtime friend. Andrew, what if anything have you and

461
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: your team who's also helping to look for her found

462
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: out about the night she went on land and had dinner.

463
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: And so we know, as Jeff says, and whist I'm

464
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: talking about Jeff, I want to say thank you to

465
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Jeff and all the local responders that the man Jeff

466
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Jones is someone that's coming to our lives and provided

467
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: us a lot of information and a lot of support,

468
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: and we owe that man a lot. So whilst whilst

469
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: we're here, I want to say than to Jeff what

470
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: we obviously know that they were seeing having dinner, and then,

471
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: as Jeff previously said, the next the next confirmed time

472
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: is two thirty am. Between the time they were seeing

473
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: dinner and two thirty am, we're not clear on what

474
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: happened apart from the reports in the media from mister Bain.

475
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Jeff m just a question from that restaurant for twenty

476
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: A Center to where Ryan Bain had his Dinghy park.

477
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Did anybody see her get in that dinghy? Again, I

478
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: confirm that, And again I'm not sure that was the

479
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: restaurant they were I was told that was one of

480
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: the last places they were seeing. Um, and Andrew may

481
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: confirm that with his mutual friends. Again, I don't know

482
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: the edither party involved, just simply offering the volunteer search efforts.

483
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: M bat Meaning said, Um, I cannot confirm that anyone

484
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: saw them, you know, depart the cruise babding doc hated

485
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: towards their vessel with siren song. Gotcha, Andrew Baldwin, Is

486
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: that the restaurant? From what I understand, you absolutely that's

487
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the name of the restaurant. And to doctor Angela Arnold

488
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, you know

489
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking. I want to find out was

490
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: she drinking, was the boyfriend drinking? Were they angry with

491
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: each other? Had there been an argument? I'm only going

492
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: to find that out if you go to the restaurant

493
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: and speak to the people there that were there that night,

494
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: if that's the correct restaurant, Because that matters, Doctor Angie,

495
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: it does, it does, Nancy, it is well known that

496
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: heavy alcohol consumption increases the risk of violence. And I'll

497
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: tell you something, Nancy, I am in listening to all

498
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: of us. I'm actually I'm actually very curious about how

499
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: these two met. We keep calling them boyfriend and girlfriend,

500
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: but how long have they been together? How did they meet?

501
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in knowing some of them. Well, I

502
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: think I've got just the guy for you, Andrew Baldwin.

503
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: This is Starms, a long time friend. I understand that

504
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: they met on tender Yeah, they met the UK in

505
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: kind of late twenty nineteen and sailed across the Atlantic

506
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: with some friends and arrived in the Caribbean kind of

507
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: in early twenty twenty, and then because of the pandemic

508
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: obviously kind of got stock on their journey. They were

509
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: originally going to try and sail as far as they

510
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: could around the world, and it was around about the

511
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: end of July when they first met. And from what

512
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: I've done in my own investigation, it seems to me,

513
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: Andrew Baldwin, that the boyfriend, Ryan at Maine, forty four

514
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: years old, has the Siren Song. It's a luxury yacht

515
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: cost about seven hundred thousand dollars and he takes parties,

516
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: groups of people out and about in the waters to sightsee,

517
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: maybe dive, maybe snorkel, and he always has a mate

518
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: basically a woman that does the cooking. That's what that is.

519
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: And is that what Storm was doing? What she was, Yeah,

520
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean they she joined just joined him at the

521
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: end of the middle of February and was working kind

522
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: of and living on the boat. So so yeah, I'm

523
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: not entirely sure what she was what she was actually

524
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: doing every day, but yeah, that's similar to what I understanding.

525
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: So it's my understanding. Also, Andrew Baldwin, Storm's a longtime

526
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: friend that you guys have been in touch with the

527
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Governor of the Virgin Islands, Albert Bryan. What for and

528
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: what did you learn? So we have been in touch

529
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: with the authority of all the time the family have

530
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: been in touch authorities in the Virgin Islands, and you know,

531
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: he thanked them for their support and importantly Nancy keep

532
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: asking for their support. Number one, to find PSALM. That's

533
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: our primary objective. And number two, you know, as you said,

534
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: we need to understand what happened. We need to understand

535
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: this timeline that makes absolutely no sense to you and

536
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: to us. As her friend and her family of this

537
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: missing time, particularly between the call that help us two

538
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: to the police and the coast guard eleven forty six

539
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: in the morning. That the timeline confused us and we

540
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: want some clarity around that. Yeah, like a ten hour delay.

541
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: At first it was stated that he noticed sarm was

542
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: missing when he has alarm sounded. He was coming at

543
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: least from his mooring around two am. Then it somehow

544
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: has slid to two thirty am, and that he called

545
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: the local police. They told we call a coast guard,

546
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and he waited until noon, almost noon to call the coastguard.

547
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten at katc Ssarr

548
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: moved to the VII in January to go sailing and

549
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: essentially live with her boyfriend because she's so well traveled.

550
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Taylor was shocked to hear of her disappearance. See my

551
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: initial was, what do you mean, what do you mean

552
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: she's missing? She can't be missing, she says. Heslop is

553
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: around five foot seven inches Flynn. She's very athletic, looks

554
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: hiking walking, so she's quite fit. Tattoo on her shoulder

555
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: flowers and the seahorse, and she's got a small star

556
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: just under her eye as well. After Jeff Jones joining

557
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: us conducting a search right now for SARM, how would

558
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: the sirens song have become unmoored. That would be a

559
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: good question, and that's one of the reasons I think

560
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: it's paramount that we would be able to get a

561
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: forensic team on that vessel. You know, the thing is

562
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: the way it was the anchor alarm which supposedly alerted him.

563
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: You know that at two ams will woke him up

564
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: and when he noticed farm was gone. But that alarm

565
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: operates off GPS satellites. I know, flying the drone in

566
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: that area directly above the vessel, we picked up eighteen

567
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: satellites that we were connected to four GIS searches in

568
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: our grid pattern search, So there's many many satellites that

569
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: would have pained off of which leads a footprint. A

570
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: team of experts in fringes can go inside that NAV

571
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: system as well as that anchor alarm system, pull up

572
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: any kind of alerts that were saving to the SD

573
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: card or onto the hardware itself. Wow, you just read

574
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: my mind because I've been wondering. I know a little

575
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: bit about vessels, but obviously not as much as you

576
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: if when an alarm light that goes off if it

577
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: leaves a digital footprint, and you just answered me that yes,

578
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: it would. I'd like to know what time that alarm

579
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: went off it went off. That said about this chain

580
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: of events, But we're not going to learn anything without

581
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: a search warrant. Andrew Baldwin Baldwin's Arms a long time friend.

582
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that vessel has not been searched, much

583
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: less the digital footprint? Yeah, I mean that's the last

584
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: place she was seeing. That's the last place. And you know,

585
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: and I know it's different we're in the UK and

586
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: then you're in the US, but you know, you start

587
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: at the place number one. Place number one in the

588
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: place you have reported to disappear from is the boat.

589
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: So we're just ask him too that that's where he's

590
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: looked and a fingertip searched by the police, and we

591
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: just really struggle to understand why why that's not being permitted,

592
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: why that's not being allowed to happen, because that is

593
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: the place she is reported to have gone missing from.

594
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: So clearly that's where you start. I'm struggling with it too.

595
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, it is the US Virgin Islands I

596
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: assume search warrants work the same way there as they

597
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: do here, right along with exegen circumstance that Jeff Jones

598
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: brought up. Yeah, no, that's true, Nancy. And as we

599
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: talk more about this, I always wonder what's going on

600
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in terms of maybe there's an issue

601
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: of compromising an ongoing investigation, especially because he has a lawyer.

602
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: Now you are there other factors that we don't know about.

603
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: Andrew Baldwin has provided us with such amazing information. Everyone

604
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: needs a friend like Andrew Baldwin, And I would also

605
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: say volunteers like Jeff Jones and their community. But between

606
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: the two of them, even they've supplied a lot of

607
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the evidence that we're hoping that law enforcement also has

608
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: and is working with in determining do we need to

609
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: wait for a warrant or can we just go in

610
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: now the time has passed? Why? And I would even

611
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: extend that to the interviewing of the other patrons at

612
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: the restaurant to see, as Angie says, did they see

613
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: here or remember anything that would shed some light on

614
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: whether there was drinking was it didn't end up being

615
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: a drowning, which caper back to why didn't they find her?

616
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: But yes, it is curious and I'm hopeful we'll get

617
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: more information that will help us recognize why we don't

618
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: have a search want yet. It's my understanding they have

619
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: the same justice system that we do, hence the US

620
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: Virgin Islands US VII. Ellen Kilauren, what can you tell

621
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: me about the resolution or adjudication of this guy's previous

622
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: attack on his wife and they're now divorced? He was,

623
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty and went to jail for twenty one days.

624
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: So this isn't just an arrest, this is a conviction.

625
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: He pled guilty and in jail time twenty one days. Okay,

626
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Angela Arnold, with all the cases I

627
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: prosecuted and all the nights I worked at the Battered

628
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Women's Center in Atlanta, I learned a lot based on

629
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: what Ellen Kilaurin is being told by his previous wife,

630
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: Corey Stevenson. There were many attacks, a lot of verbal abuse,

631
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot of physical abuse, but she called the cops

632
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: this one time. What do you make of that, Angela? Well,

633
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: it leads up to that. It builds up and I'll

634
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: tell you something else I make of this. Nancy A

635
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: tiger doesn't change his stripes. And what worries me so

636
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: much for this young woman is that she met him

637
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: on a dating app then they were then they were

638
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: secluded because of COVID. So nobody I'm not hearing any

639
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: words about how their relationship had progressed over the last year.

640
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about their relationship. Then she's then

641
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: she's all by herself on a boat with this man

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Speaker 1: for God only knows how long. Nobody knows what was

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Speaker 1: going on with the squirrel Andrew Baldwin, I know you

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Speaker 1: can hear, doctor Angela Arnold, what if anything had she

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Speaker 1: said about her relationship with Urbane All the conversations that

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Speaker 1: she'd have with friends was that she was happy. She'd

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Speaker 1: obviously flown back from more back to go back to

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Speaker 1: to the boat and to be with him. So and

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Speaker 1: the last kind of conversations I had with her, which

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Speaker 1: were buy message just as she arrived in the US

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Speaker 1: Virgin Island, was was that she was happy and happy

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Speaker 1: to be there. There were no issues or anything that's

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Speaker 1: been raised, and we want to be clear on that.

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Speaker 1: We're not. This is us, you know, being really clear

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Speaker 1: on what's happened to our friend This is not about

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Speaker 1: us pointing any suspicion. This is about us being clear.

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Speaker 1: We want to know where our friend is and we

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Speaker 1: want to know what's happened to her. That's our number

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Speaker 1: one focus. Andrew Baldwin. We all do. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfalls to Applyne eight hundred two two two chips

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Speaker 1: T I P S. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend