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Speaker 4: Everybody. This is Angela Raie, Andrew Gillim and Tiffany Cross
Speaker 4: and you're tuned into this week's mini pod. Hey y'all,
Speaker 4: what hey, Okay, So there's a whole thing. You know,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has some black friends, not many, but a few.
Speaker 4: And one of them, as you all know, who went
Speaker 4: to school in Florida and spent some time at FAM.
Speaker 4: You Andrew, how about this rattler rattling some nonsense, as
Speaker 4: tiff would say, Byron Donald out here talking about, uh,
Speaker 4: black folks were better under Jim Crow. And as we know,
Speaker 4: he is a potential running mate for Donald Trump. He's
Speaker 4: not the only potential black friend that Donald Trump is
Speaker 4: looking at. Allegedly, there's Ben Carson, there is Tim Scott,
Speaker 4: and I heard Clarence Thomas might even consider leaving the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court for this role. Will but you know, birds
Speaker 4: of a feather, so why not? And then there's also
Speaker 4: been some conversation about Marco Rubio and some others. But
Speaker 4: one of the things that I thought was most interesting recently.
Speaker 4: I know Tip doesn't love polls, but sometimes I like
Speaker 4: some of these numbers. This was interesting that a majority
Speaker 4: of black voters said they would be less likely to
Speaker 4: vote for Donald Trump if he chose any of the
Speaker 4: three black men frequently mentioned as potential vice presidential candidates. Again,
Speaker 4: this is from the USA Today, Suffolk University Paul three
Speaker 4: black men. They said they would be less likely to
Speaker 4: vote him for Ben Carson, Tim Scott, and Byron Donald's So, yeah,
Speaker 4: WHI ch'all think about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, people know they capan basically, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any real chance that any of the three
Speaker 1: of them end up being seriously considered here, let alone
Speaker 1: becoming the vice presidential nominee, because as far as Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is concerned, they work for free.
Speaker 2: Why would he pay them, why would he promote them?
Speaker 3: Do you think he's gonna get them?
Speaker 4: If it's not, If it's not Donald, it's not Carson,
Speaker 4: it's not Scott, who he needs gonna get well.
Speaker 1: Latest reporting has Governor Bergham from North Dakota, jd Vance,
Speaker 1: Senator from Ohio UH and Marco Rubio as being his
Speaker 1: top finalist under consideration for you know, for the seat,
Speaker 1: considering that he needs to bring in, if you will,
Speaker 1: that that faction of mainline Republicans who are yes, you
Speaker 1: could put them in the in the camp of the former.
Speaker 2: Vice president who basically said I.
Speaker 1: Can't be with them.
Speaker 2: May what do you call them? Sort of mainline.
Speaker 4: Mainstream not jd Vance, May, Marco rub Yeah, on the fringe.
Speaker 1: He yeah, I think they're kind of He's not on
Speaker 1: the front. I mean I first of all, all of
Speaker 1: them had a different story to tell when they were
Speaker 1: running against him, that back in twenty sixteen. All of
Speaker 1: them had a different set of insults, except now all
Speaker 1: of them have capitulated. I mean they they are hook
Speaker 1: line sinker right there with them. But those reportedly are
Speaker 1: the kind of top three leading contenders. And I don't
Speaker 1: know why at least Stephanic from New York is not
Speaker 1: more mentioned there other than the fact that Trump can't
Speaker 1: a buy a woman beneath them, I don't know.
Speaker 4: That might be the only place he could find a woman.
Speaker 4: But carry on, Tiff, what do you think about this?
Speaker 5: You know, I have to be honest. I don't spend
Speaker 5: a lot of time thinking about or his VP stakes.
Speaker 5: I think it doesn't matter who he picks the people
Speaker 5: who are a member of his cult. He could name
Speaker 5: Ronald McDonald as his running mate. It's not going to
Speaker 5: impact who votes for him or how I certainly don't
Speaker 5: pay attention to the polls talking about how they care
Speaker 5: about he votes. He has not expanded his reach, nor
Speaker 5: has he seemed to narrow his reach. So I and
Speaker 5: the vice president, quite frankly, is a pretty superfluous position,
Speaker 5: and in recent history only have we seen it carry
Speaker 5: more significance with Mike Pince, who you know, pursued certifying
Speaker 5: the election results, and with Vice President Kamala Harris, with
Speaker 5: people giving her outside well she wasn't never vice president.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was one of those examples
Speaker 1: of a consequential choice, if there ever was one.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, well, but I guess the point I'm
Speaker 5: making is the actual position of resident right is pretty superful,
Speaker 5: like you don't have a lot of responsibility. I think
Speaker 5: we saw that change under Vice President Kamala Harris. And
Speaker 5: my point about Mike Pence was what did he really
Speaker 5: do other than choose to certify the election results? So
Speaker 5: I don't know that it matters.
Speaker 4: I mean, it could, it could not matter, But I
Speaker 4: also think. I mean, for me, I'm a political I
Speaker 4: love this stuff, and I think it's interesting to talk about,
Speaker 4: you know, who are the options and what made them
Speaker 4: become options? Right, Like it's like, okay, Donald Trump is
Speaker 4: trying to make inroads with the black community. I think
Speaker 4: there are some folks, including surprisingly so many mainstream outlets
Speaker 4: that are taking this story on and running with it
Speaker 4: with no factual data to support this influx of black men.
Speaker 4: Who are you know, loving on Donald Trump in ways
Speaker 4: that they cannot prove. But it is fascinating to see
Speaker 4: him have three potentials on the short list. I know
Speaker 4: you said Andrew that at least dephonics do on her.
Speaker 4: She's in this political article that just came out yesterday.
Speaker 4: She actually is is on this short list, and so
Speaker 4: is Tom Cotton. So I think a lot of these
Speaker 4: folks are not so moderate that there these are a
Speaker 4: lot of extreme people on.
Speaker 2: This No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think when I said mainline, what I was attempting
Speaker 1: to communicate, but you know, I mess aways up and stuff.
Speaker 1: What I was attempted to communicate was that one not mainstream,
Speaker 1: but mainline Republican meaning the traditional defense Uh you know, uh,
Speaker 1: faith yeah, you know, sort of mainline Republican could could
Speaker 1: see themselves reflected it. It is what Pence sort of
Speaker 1: did for him, you know, the first go round. Evangelicals,
Speaker 1: you know, held their noses supposedly, although I think they
Speaker 1: went full head first in and I think they still
Speaker 1: are there.
Speaker 2: I think we should.
Speaker 1: I think it is worth it to assess or at
Speaker 1: least interrogate how it is that each of the black
Speaker 1: and viduals who were mentioned as being real contenders here,
Speaker 1: I think for all intent and purpose, and I guess
Speaker 1: the reporting I saw was maybe sixteen hours ago. I
Speaker 1: think we're talked about him having reduced his list down
Speaker 1: to three, and if that is true, none of those
Speaker 1: three are any of the black candidates who had been
Speaker 1: banded about. I just think it's a flirtation, but it's
Speaker 1: never a real commitment. Yeah, and I think that's his
Speaker 1: whole thing with to the extent that he goes the
Speaker 1: distance of flirting with black folks, there's never a date,
Speaker 1: and that date then never leads to anything really real.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know one thing that I think is interesting,
Speaker 4: and you talked about this earlier tiv I'm curious to
Speaker 4: know your feedback on this. The folks that have gone
Speaker 4: back and forth for Trump, like when they're not on
Speaker 4: the ticket or not being considered for the ticket, when
Speaker 4: they're running against him, even in campaigns where they're not
Speaker 4: on the like when JD. Vance was running against the
Speaker 4: record of Donald Trump, he called him America's hitler, right,
Speaker 4: Marco Rubio at one point he and Donald Trump were
Speaker 4: at each other's throats and he was little Marco right like,
Speaker 4: there there are these moments and then you just see
Speaker 4: them take this pivot. I've always said, I'm like, what
Speaker 4: does he have on these people to make them take
Speaker 4: these hard one eighties? It is astonishing to me.
Speaker 1: With Jay Cruz, he basically, you know, rented out his
Speaker 1: wife and this man is caping for him day in
Speaker 1: day out in the US Senate.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So I think these are some of the things
Speaker 4: that are fascinating to me. I wonder what some of
Speaker 4: the gaps would be in, you know, on Donald Trump's ticket,
Speaker 4: like what does he need to fill. I know that
Speaker 4: it probably now would be good to not be convicted
Speaker 4: of any serious crimes, especially given ones that you know
Speaker 4: involve your your integrity veracity trust. I'm thinking too about
Speaker 4: out you said, you talked about mainstream main line. It's
Speaker 4: different to you. But there may be someone who's more moderate.
Speaker 4: There's a whole never Trump cohort of Republicans that allegedly
Speaker 4: still exists. So is that a role he needs to
Speaker 4: play this? He needs to look like he's unifying the party,
Speaker 4: even with his daughter in law over at the rn C. Now,
Speaker 4: what is what is the requirement to ensure that they
Speaker 4: have a viable ticket versus Biden and Harris.
Speaker 1: I don't think moderate's real uh in the Republican Party anymore.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it is a value. I
Speaker 1: don't think it is a goal. I don't think people
Speaker 1: make it a trajectory, a place by which to aim
Speaker 1: and and and aspire to. I don't think it exists,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it is merited anymore within the
Speaker 1: party to the extent that it ever was. Absolutely right now,
Speaker 1: it's not even merited to be that is, to be
Speaker 1: a Rhino, a Republican in name only. As for as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, I will say I do have a question
Speaker 1: as to whether or not it's legal for Donald Trump
Speaker 1: to choose Marco Rubio, being that they are both from
Speaker 1: the state, the same state. And I haven't looked deeply
Speaker 1: into this till if I know you are obviously how
Speaker 1: resident journalists here.
Speaker 2: But the twelfth Amendment, you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Sort of directly goes at the electors not being from
Speaker 1: the same states, the president and the vice president, and
Speaker 1: so I just.
Speaker 5: I had no idea. This is the first time I
Speaker 5: never heard that neither the president could not pick a
Speaker 5: vice president from the same state. And that's in the constitution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the twelfth Amendment, I had no idea.
Speaker 3: I didn't know neither. I'm like, and I took constitutional law.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read while we talk did not choose
Speaker 1: the president before the first day of the president's term.
Speaker 1: The individual elected vice president would act as president.
Speaker 4: You know what we could do is we can leave
Speaker 4: this and I can ping Ellie missed out to see
Speaker 4: if he'd be willing to yes to answer.
Speaker 3: Let me see if requick.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ask him if he is in a video,
Speaker 4: because we can be like, you know what, now, we
Speaker 4: done got confused.
Speaker 3: We don't know who Trump is gonna pick, but we do.
Speaker 5: Have expert I love it.
Speaker 3: Let me see if I can call him real quick
Speaker 3: to see if you do this one a second.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Ellien mstal and Andrew brought up something that
Speaker 6: I had not thought about. Marco Rubia, the thirsty senator
Speaker 6: from Florida, probably cannot be the vice president for Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: the convicted felon from Florida. The problem is the twelfth Amendment. Now,
Speaker 6: I think of the twelfth Amendment as the Hamilton musical amendment.
Speaker 6: You see, at the founding, the vice president was the
Speaker 6: person who finished second in the presidential election. It's fine
Speaker 6: in a role that has no parties, but in the
Speaker 6: real world, the second place runner up to the president
Speaker 6: is a rival of the person who actually won the
Speaker 6: presidential election. So the rule is somewhat obviously stupid. Now,
Speaker 6: if you've seen Hamilton the Musical, you'll remember that Aaron Berg,
Speaker 6: right after he gets his ass kicked by Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 6: kind of pathetically says, oh, mister Jefferson, I look forward
Speaker 6: to serving as your vice president. And Jefferson says coldly,
Speaker 6: that's a dumb rule. But we can change it. You
Speaker 6: know why, because I'm the president, and that is that
Speaker 6: is the essence of the twelfth Amendment. Now, it didn't
Speaker 6: happen in real life like it happened in the musical.
Speaker 6: But in eighteen oh four, at the behest of then
Speaker 6: President Thomas Jefferson, the Twelfth Amendment was passed and ratified,
Speaker 6: and it specified that the president and the vice president
Speaker 6: would run on the same ticket and be voted for
Speaker 6: at the same time. And that is the system that
Speaker 6: we still have today. But there was a catch. The
Speaker 6: very first line of the Twelfth Amendment reads, the electors
Speaker 6: shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot
Speaker 6: for President and Vice President, one of whom, at least
Speaker 6: shall shall not be an inhabitant of the same state
Speaker 6: with themselves. What that means in actual English is that
Speaker 6: the president and VP can both be from the same state,
Speaker 6: but the electors from the Electoral College, the people who
Speaker 6: do the actual voting. The electors cannot vote for a
Speaker 6: president and VP who are both from the state of
Speaker 6: the elector themselves. In the Trump Rubio context, that means
Speaker 6: that if they ran together, even if Trump won Florida,
Speaker 6: Florida's electoral votes could not go to Donald Trump. Not
Speaker 6: that the electoral votes of Florida have ever been important
Speaker 6: in a presidential election before right. I'm obviously referencing the
Speaker 6: two thousand presidential election between George Bush, George W. Bush,
Speaker 6: and Al Gore. But this twelfth Amendment issue actually almost
Speaker 6: came up during the two thousand election race. Back then,
Speaker 6: Bush's VP pick tywand Lanister, I mean Bush's VP pick
Speaker 6: Dick Cheney were both residents of Texas. Right. That fact
Speaker 6: could have cost Bush Texas's electoral votes. So at the
Speaker 6: very last minute, Dick Cheney changed his residency from Texas,
Speaker 6: where he was living, to Wyoming, where, in fairness, he
Speaker 6: had a vacation house and had previously been on that
Speaker 6: state's congress person. Right, So Cheney switched his residency to
Speaker 6: avoid the twelfth Amendment issue. Now, I'm sure little Marco,
Speaker 6: who is so desperate to lick Trump's boots, would be
Speaker 6: happy to claim residency in any other state to allow
Speaker 6: him to be VP. The problem is, Rubio isn't just
Speaker 6: a resident of Florida. He's the state's senator. So it's
Speaker 6: pretty hard for him to claim all of a sudden
Speaker 6: that he actually lives in another state when he's the
Speaker 6: representative from Florida. I don't think it's gonna matter because
Speaker 6: I don't think Rubio is going to be picked. Personally,
Speaker 6: I still think Tim Scott is the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 6: Tim Scott's currently a resident of the Sunken Place, so
Speaker 6: the twelfth Amendment shouldn't apply. But it is interesting, right,
Speaker 6: It's it's interesting that Rubio has debased himself for a
Speaker 6: position that he probably won't ever be picked to fill
Speaker 6: because of this Twelfth Amendment problem. If only Mark or
Speaker 6: Rubio had ever read just once the Constitution of the
Speaker 6: United States of America.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we had to tap in our constitutional law expert,
Speaker 4: Ellie miss Style, because we got confused. Andrew and got
Speaker 4: me confused. He told me something is illegal. Then it
Speaker 4: kind of does look illegal, but it's not illegal and
Speaker 4: just could mess up a whole election, which is it's
Speaker 4: just as important as being illegal. So we had to
Speaker 4: ask Ellie.
Speaker 5: Ellie Mestahal, who's a writer at the Nation but also
Speaker 5: one of your favorite political analysts. You can see him
Speaker 5: on all the networks, and he is also obviously a lawyer.
Speaker 1: So this get equal complete ludicrosity, or it could be
Speaker 1: a really great constitution.
Speaker 4: This is a great like, this is so much better
Speaker 4: than Trump. Viepsakes to me, because the thing that we
Speaker 4: don't the thing that we have to start paying attention to,
Speaker 4: is there are random, crazy things that have never happened
Speaker 4: in history over the last four years, starting you know,
Speaker 4: and really before that, starting with his election, with Trump's
Speaker 4: election in twenty sixteen, he started with a Muslim band, right, like,
Speaker 4: there are all kinds of crazy things that are happening
Speaker 4: that are ahistorical. Now this man is running for president
Speaker 4: the first time ever we have there's a Supreme Court case.
Speaker 4: I just hit a bush that's not real. Sorry bush,
Speaker 4: but now we're talking about the bushes. Anyway, let me
Speaker 4: just say this. Now we are also having to consider
Speaker 4: whether or not a president needs complete and full immunity.
Speaker 4: That is what we're up against. So we need to
Speaker 4: know all of the potential factors. There was an insurrection
Speaker 4: on Capitol Hill, Like, we have to know all of
Speaker 4: the things that could happen because all of the things
Speaker 4: keep happening. So Andrew, I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just is the vice president of voting member? Is
Speaker 1: he a figurehead? But yes, and no, I mean to
Speaker 1: your point around the questions that we never had to
Speaker 1: interrogate before because the system never got stretched that far. Yes,
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump in formula with him and play everything's
Speaker 1: on the table, all the guardrails. Everything we thought was
Speaker 1: sacrisanc and just obvious.
Speaker 2: It just isn't.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
Speaker 4: So I'm so glad that one we had an on
Speaker 4: ramp into Trump Beepsteaks, which TIF couldn't give a damn about.
Speaker 4: But we ended up in somewhere in a constitutional law question,
Speaker 4: having to look at the eighteen hundreds for when this
Speaker 4: thing might have even applied, and then I'm still not
Speaker 4: completely clear, but thankful to Ellie our lifeline. We got
Speaker 4: it worked out, and if not, we want to hear
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