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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome home.

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Speaker 4: Everybody. This is Angela Raie, Andrew Gillim and Tiffany Cross

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Speaker 4: and you're tuned into this week's mini pod. Hey y'all,

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Speaker 4: what hey, Okay, So there's a whole thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has some black friends, not many, but a few.

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Speaker 4: And one of them, as you all know, who went

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Speaker 4: to school in Florida and spent some time at FAM.

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Speaker 4: You Andrew, how about this rattler rattling some nonsense, as

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Speaker 4: tiff would say, Byron Donald out here talking about, uh,

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Speaker 4: black folks were better under Jim Crow. And as we know,

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Speaker 4: he is a potential running mate for Donald Trump. He's

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Speaker 4: not the only potential black friend that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: looking at. Allegedly, there's Ben Carson, there is Tim Scott,

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Speaker 4: and I heard Clarence Thomas might even consider leaving the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court for this role. Will but you know, birds

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Speaker 4: of a feather, so why not? And then there's also

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Speaker 4: been some conversation about Marco Rubio and some others. But

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I thought was most interesting recently.

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Speaker 4: I know Tip doesn't love polls, but sometimes I like

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Speaker 4: some of these numbers. This was interesting that a majority

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Speaker 4: of black voters said they would be less likely to

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Speaker 4: vote for Donald Trump if he chose any of the

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Speaker 4: three black men frequently mentioned as potential vice presidential candidates. Again,

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Speaker 4: this is from the USA Today, Suffolk University Paul three

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Speaker 4: black men. They said they would be less likely to

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Speaker 4: vote him for Ben Carson, Tim Scott, and Byron Donald's So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: WHI ch'all think about that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, people know they capan basically, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any real chance that any of the three

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Speaker 1: of them end up being seriously considered here, let alone

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Speaker 1: becoming the vice presidential nominee, because as far as Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is concerned, they work for free.

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Speaker 2: Why would he pay them, why would he promote them?

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Speaker 3: Do you think he's gonna get them?

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Speaker 4: If it's not, If it's not Donald, it's not Carson,

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Speaker 4: it's not Scott, who he needs gonna get well.

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Speaker 1: Latest reporting has Governor Bergham from North Dakota, jd Vance,

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Speaker 1: Senator from Ohio UH and Marco Rubio as being his

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Speaker 1: top finalist under consideration for you know, for the seat,

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Speaker 1: considering that he needs to bring in, if you will,

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Speaker 1: that that faction of mainline Republicans who are yes, you

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Speaker 1: could put them in the in the camp of the former.

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Speaker 2: Vice president who basically said I.

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Speaker 1: Can't be with them.

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Speaker 2: May what do you call them? Sort of mainline.

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Speaker 4: Mainstream not jd Vance, May, Marco rub Yeah, on the fringe.

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Speaker 1: He yeah, I think they're kind of He's not on

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Speaker 1: the front. I mean I first of all, all of

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Speaker 1: them had a different story to tell when they were

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Speaker 1: running against him, that back in twenty sixteen. All of

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Speaker 1: them had a different set of insults, except now all

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Speaker 1: of them have capitulated. I mean they they are hook

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Speaker 1: line sinker right there with them. But those reportedly are

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Speaker 1: the kind of top three leading contenders. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know why at least Stephanic from New York is not

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Speaker 1: more mentioned there other than the fact that Trump can't

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Speaker 1: a buy a woman beneath them, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That might be the only place he could find a woman.

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Speaker 4: But carry on, Tiff, what do you think about this?

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Speaker 5: You know, I have to be honest. I don't spend

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Speaker 5: a lot of time thinking about or his VP stakes.

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Speaker 5: I think it doesn't matter who he picks the people

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Speaker 5: who are a member of his cult. He could name

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Speaker 5: Ronald McDonald as his running mate. It's not going to

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Speaker 5: impact who votes for him or how I certainly don't

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Speaker 5: pay attention to the polls talking about how they care

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Speaker 5: about he votes. He has not expanded his reach, nor

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Speaker 5: has he seemed to narrow his reach. So I and

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Speaker 5: the vice president, quite frankly, is a pretty superfluous position,

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Speaker 5: and in recent history only have we seen it carry

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Speaker 5: more significance with Mike Pince, who you know, pursued certifying

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Speaker 5: the election results, and with Vice President Kamala Harris, with

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Speaker 5: people giving her outside well she wasn't never vice president.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was one of those examples

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Speaker 1: of a consequential choice, if there ever was one.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, well, but I guess the point I'm

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Speaker 5: making is the actual position of resident right is pretty superful,

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Speaker 5: like you don't have a lot of responsibility. I think

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Speaker 5: we saw that change under Vice President Kamala Harris. And

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Speaker 5: my point about Mike Pence was what did he really

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Speaker 5: do other than choose to certify the election results? So

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Speaker 5: I don't know that it matters.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it could, it could not matter, But I

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Speaker 4: also think. I mean, for me, I'm a political I

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Speaker 4: love this stuff, and I think it's interesting to talk about,

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Speaker 4: you know, who are the options and what made them

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Speaker 4: become options? Right, Like it's like, okay, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: trying to make inroads with the black community. I think

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Speaker 4: there are some folks, including surprisingly so many mainstream outlets

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Speaker 4: that are taking this story on and running with it

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Speaker 4: with no factual data to support this influx of black men.

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Speaker 4: Who are you know, loving on Donald Trump in ways

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Speaker 4: that they cannot prove. But it is fascinating to see

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Speaker 4: him have three potentials on the short list. I know

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Speaker 4: you said Andrew that at least dephonics do on her.

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Speaker 4: She's in this political article that just came out yesterday.

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Speaker 4: She actually is is on this short list, and so

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Speaker 4: is Tom Cotton. So I think a lot of these

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Speaker 4: folks are not so moderate that there these are a

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Speaker 4: lot of extreme people on.

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Speaker 2: This No, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think when I said mainline, what I was attempting

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Speaker 1: to communicate, but you know, I mess aways up and stuff.

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Speaker 1: What I was attempted to communicate was that one not mainstream,

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Speaker 1: but mainline Republican meaning the traditional defense Uh you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: faith yeah, you know, sort of mainline Republican could could

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Speaker 1: see themselves reflected it. It is what Pence sort of

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Speaker 1: did for him, you know, the first go round. Evangelicals,

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Speaker 1: you know, held their noses supposedly, although I think they

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Speaker 1: went full head first in and I think they still

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Speaker 1: are there.

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Speaker 2: I think we should.

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Speaker 1: I think it is worth it to assess or at

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Speaker 1: least interrogate how it is that each of the black

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Speaker 1: and viduals who were mentioned as being real contenders here,

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Speaker 1: I think for all intent and purpose, and I guess

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Speaker 1: the reporting I saw was maybe sixteen hours ago. I

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Speaker 1: think we're talked about him having reduced his list down

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Speaker 1: to three, and if that is true, none of those

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Speaker 1: three are any of the black candidates who had been

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Speaker 1: banded about. I just think it's a flirtation, but it's

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Speaker 1: never a real commitment. Yeah, and I think that's his

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Speaker 1: whole thing with to the extent that he goes the

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Speaker 1: distance of flirting with black folks, there's never a date,

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Speaker 1: and that date then never leads to anything really real.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm totally fine with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know one thing that I think is interesting,

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Speaker 4: and you talked about this earlier tiv I'm curious to

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Speaker 4: know your feedback on this. The folks that have gone

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Speaker 4: back and forth for Trump, like when they're not on

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Speaker 4: the ticket or not being considered for the ticket, when

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Speaker 4: they're running against him, even in campaigns where they're not

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Speaker 4: on the like when JD. Vance was running against the

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Speaker 4: record of Donald Trump, he called him America's hitler, right,

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Speaker 4: Marco Rubio at one point he and Donald Trump were

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Speaker 4: at each other's throats and he was little Marco right like,

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Speaker 4: there there are these moments and then you just see

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Speaker 4: them take this pivot. I've always said, I'm like, what

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Speaker 4: does he have on these people to make them take

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Speaker 4: these hard one eighties? It is astonishing to me.

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Speaker 1: With Jay Cruz, he basically, you know, rented out his

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Speaker 1: wife and this man is caping for him day in

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Speaker 1: day out in the US Senate.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So I think these are some of the things

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Speaker 4: that are fascinating to me. I wonder what some of

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Speaker 4: the gaps would be in, you know, on Donald Trump's ticket,

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Speaker 4: like what does he need to fill. I know that

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Speaker 4: it probably now would be good to not be convicted

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Speaker 4: of any serious crimes, especially given ones that you know

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Speaker 4: involve your your integrity veracity trust. I'm thinking too about

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Speaker 4: out you said, you talked about mainstream main line. It's

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Speaker 4: different to you. But there may be someone who's more moderate.

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Speaker 4: There's a whole never Trump cohort of Republicans that allegedly

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Speaker 4: still exists. So is that a role he needs to

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Speaker 4: play this? He needs to look like he's unifying the party,

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Speaker 4: even with his daughter in law over at the rn C. Now,

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Speaker 4: what is what is the requirement to ensure that they

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Speaker 4: have a viable ticket versus Biden and Harris.

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Speaker 1: I don't think moderate's real uh in the Republican Party anymore.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't think it is a value. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it is a goal. I don't think people

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Speaker 1: make it a trajectory, a place by which to aim

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Speaker 1: and and and aspire to. I don't think it exists,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it is merited anymore within the

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Speaker 1: party to the extent that it ever was. Absolutely right now,

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Speaker 1: it's not even merited to be that is, to be

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Speaker 1: a Rhino, a Republican in name only. As for as

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, I will say I do have a question

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Speaker 1: as to whether or not it's legal for Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: to choose Marco Rubio, being that they are both from

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Speaker 1: the state, the same state. And I haven't looked deeply

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Speaker 1: resident journalists here.

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Speaker 2: But the twelfth Amendment, you know, you know.

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Speaker 1: Sort of directly goes at the electors not being from

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Speaker 1: the same states, the president and the vice president, and

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Speaker 1: so I just.

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Speaker 5: I had no idea. This is the first time I

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Speaker 5: never heard that neither the president could not pick a

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Speaker 5: vice president from the same state. And that's in the constitution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the twelfth Amendment, I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know neither. I'm like, and I took constitutional law.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read while we talk did not choose

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Speaker 1: the president before the first day of the president's term.

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Speaker 1: The individual elected vice president would act as president.

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Speaker 4: You know what we could do is we can leave

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Speaker 4: this and I can ping Ellie missed out to see

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Speaker 4: if he'd be willing to yes to answer.

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Speaker 3: Let me see if requick.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ask him if he is in a video,

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Speaker 4: because we can be like, you know what, now, we

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Speaker 4: done got confused.

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Speaker 3: We don't know who Trump is gonna pick, but we do.

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Speaker 5: Have expert I love it.

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Speaker 3: Let me see if I can call him real quick

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Speaker 3: to see if you do this one a second.

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Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Ellien mstal and Andrew brought up something that

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Speaker 6: I had not thought about. Marco Rubia, the thirsty senator

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Speaker 6: from Florida, probably cannot be the vice president for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: the convicted felon from Florida. The problem is the twelfth Amendment. Now,

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Speaker 6: I think of the twelfth Amendment as the Hamilton musical amendment.

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Speaker 6: You see, at the founding, the vice president was the

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Speaker 6: person who finished second in the presidential election. It's fine

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Speaker 6: in a role that has no parties, but in the

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Speaker 6: real world, the second place runner up to the president

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Speaker 6: is a rival of the person who actually won the

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Speaker 6: presidential election. So the rule is somewhat obviously stupid. Now,

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Speaker 6: if you've seen Hamilton the Musical, you'll remember that Aaron Berg,

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Speaker 6: right after he gets his ass kicked by Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 6: kind of pathetically says, oh, mister Jefferson, I look forward

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Speaker 6: to serving as your vice president. And Jefferson says coldly,

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Speaker 6: that's a dumb rule. But we can change it. You

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Speaker 6: know why, because I'm the president, and that is that

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Speaker 4: Ellie miss Style, because we got confused. Andrew and got

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Speaker 1: So this get equal complete ludicrosity, or it could be

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Speaker 4: This is a great like, this is so much better

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just is the vice president of voting member? Is

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