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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, levity, levity, donks, you know what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday. Ain't got shit to do mine as well?

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Speaker 3: from CBS Sports. Brian Campbell happy to be with you

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Speaker 3: on this Friday, February fifth of the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we're back. And the guy next to me

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Speaker 3: is uh he's incredible, right, he's the statue to my tory,

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Speaker 3: the oh god, the wow? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Do you follow that one? He works for CBS Sports.

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Speaker 3: The beard did wonder? Luke Thomas, Luke, how is it?

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Speaker 2: I was telling you this before the show.

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Speaker 4: I slept great last night, which was hard to believe,

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Speaker 4: even to the point where I had a nightmare, not

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Speaker 4: a terrible nightmare, but a nightmare. But I don't even

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Speaker 4: care because the sleep was so deep. I can remember

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Speaker 4: parts of the tails. I will say, if you can

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Speaker 4: remember your dreams, that's when you know it was a

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Speaker 4: little bit deeper, and I'm like, you know what, I'll

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Speaker 4: take it. I'll take a nightmare that I can remember over,

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Speaker 4: you know, another night of five hours sleep with my

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I did see happiness in your eyes. I have not

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Speaker 3: seen you that excited, Luke since Dustin Poorier stopped Connor

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Speaker 3: McGregor and hopefully crossing our fingers that the MK cameras

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Speaker 4: But that wasn't like that wasn't that was happiness for

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Speaker 4: the history of the moment.

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Speaker 2: Not happy.

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Speaker 3: No, no, you reacted to sports. I'm not saying you're

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not as uh, I'm not as animated

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Speaker 4: as I was then, But I will say, Jesus man,

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Speaker 4: there is nothing like a good night of sleep to

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Speaker 4: completely set you in the right course for the day,

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Speaker 4: especially when you're old and pathetic like I am at

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Speaker 4: forty one years of age.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed I'm forty two right along with you. But look,

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Speaker 3: we got a great show for you today setting the

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Speaker 3: night in Las Vegas. We're gonna go dead wrong. Pick

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Speaker 3: up the pieces of what we missed this week, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what were you into VD. Let's make

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Speaker 3: of the green hoodie. So is my wife, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 3: watching this four part documentary series from twenty eighteen, Action

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Speaker 3: on the sports betting business. Have you seen that, Luke?

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Speaker 3: of that one. Indeed, Louke, anything else you want to

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Speaker 3: damn good one here on ESPN Plus headlined by heavyweights

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Speaker 3: Alistair Overreiim against a slight betting favorite Alexander Volkov.

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Speaker 3: time with strong, accurate blows. Will we see a little

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Speaker 3: see the high knees that killed a few guys back.

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Speaker 2: In the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you might have to because Volkov is

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Speaker 4: he's got I mean, listening to some of these numbers.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the folks, Richard man Over at Fight

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Speaker 4: He has a very unique ability to rally. Now the

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, same for the Walt Harris fight, right he

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Speaker 3: this should be a good one, no shortage of what

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Speaker 3: We saw him push it against Pedro muno Is in

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Speaker 3: You have a question, Frankie Edgar's the answer. But this

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna make this very clear to everybody, because

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Speaker 4: Edgar is a very good striker. But the key, the

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Speaker 4: Part of his striking arsenal. When he can fake low hands,

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Speaker 4: It's the combination of the two. You have seen in

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Speaker 4: So number one, he's gonna have to establish a takedown.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Frankie's age, the switch hitting of San Haagen and

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that. It's a very smart breakdown.

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Speaker 3: I like that this fight's happening at Banhamwaightter. When I

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be very interesting, Luke. Look, he may

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Speaker 4: So it's so hard for me to answer. It's like, yes,

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Speaker 4: I suspect that he will have him see a certain look,

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Speaker 4: I think that what Sanhagan's gonna want to do is

431
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Speaker 4: bully back eventually. The thing that really gets me here,

432
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 4: BC is we don't talk. We haven't talked about this.

433
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 4: This could easily be a Fight Night main event, very easily,

434
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 4: but it's not. It's only three rounds. If san Haagen

435
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,959
Speaker 4: gets taken down in the first, dude, you cannot let

436
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 4: that happen in the second at all. Because remember, Edgar

437
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 4: is a black belt on the ground. He can hold

438
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 4: people down because of his wrestling background and obviously his

439
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 4: MMA skills. He can pass, he can submit. Look what

440
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 4: he did to Cub Swanson. Dude, he's got that in

441
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 4: his arsenal. You cannot fuck around. And after what happened

442
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 4: between Sanagen and Sterling, I'm not saying Sterling and Edgar

443
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 4: have the exact same abilities on the floor. I'm just saying,

444
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 4: you know, that's the thing you got to watch out for.

445
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 4: To me do again, this whole thing is gonna hinge

446
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 4: on the takedown, because if it's on the feet, you

447
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 4: would imagine if not at first, eventually Sanhagan's gonna get

448
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 4: his pound of flesh. It's where else the fight is

449
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 4: going to go and for how long it's going to go.

450
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Speaker 2: I think that's what's going to separate for me.

451
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I mean, let's talk about FRANKI Edgar.

452
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean, how much more do we have to puff

453
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 3: the bag? How about we puffe it even more here, Luke.

454
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 3: For a career that has gone over so many different

455
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Speaker 3: weight classes, and you have somebody who's sortainly been elite

456
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Speaker 3: the whole time, Like I can't remember a time as

457
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Speaker 3: an MMA fan, Luke where Frank Edgar was not considered

458
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 3: a super elite. He's never been submitted in a fight,

459
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 3: So that shows, you know, when you're constantly looking to

460
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 3: fight the very friggin best all the time, he never

461
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 3: even got caught with something. I know there's been two

462
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: stoppage losses in his last five fights, but you know

463
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: that can happen. He's always fighting killers, so he's gonna

464
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: be a tough as hell out on the ground if

465
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Speaker 3: it goes there. And it's interesting, from what you said,

466
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 3: could have been a five round main event under any

467
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: in every circumstance. In fact, a lot of ways it

468
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 3: really should be. I mean, it's too good for this

469
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: main event, but this might favor Frankie in a three

470
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 3: round window to have no reservations on fighting thirty two

471
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Speaker 3: year old Frankie Edgar Pace. You know, twenty eight year

472
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: old Franki Edgar Pace rather than thirty nine, forty year old.

473
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Speaker 3: So that is a very interesting subplot if you like

474
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Speaker 3: the idea of Frankie's experience making him a live dog.

475
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Speaker 3: I still it's hard, Luke, Right, it's hard because I

476
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: love Frankie, but I always bet against him when he's old.

477
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: You know, you always feel like you have enough reason to.

478
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: As much as I want to talk myself into it

479
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: here and as much as I was feeling it right

480
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 3: after he beat Pedro Munio's it was like a victory

481
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: for us and him him first, but we got to

482
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Speaker 3: enjoy it, Luke, that was Pedro Munyos. This is San Haagen.

483
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: This guy's a killer. This guy might be the best

484
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 3: in the division for all we know. The weird and

485
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Speaker 3: odds sterling loss not with it, right.

486
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 4: But but here's the thing. Does he have an achilles heel?

487
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 4: Does Sanhag is that how Again, the thirty percent is overstated.

488
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 4: It's not really really representive how good he is either

489
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: on the floor, getting up off, or even stopping the takedown.

490
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: It's it's a little bit overstated because he's so loosey

491
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 4: goosey with it sometimes that you know, he let a

492
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 4: guy get it and it'll pop right back up, So

493
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 4: it doesn't really mean anything.

494
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Speaker 2: Okay, well let's let's let's double it.

495
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Speaker 4: Even if if you doubled it, you're still at sixty percent,

496
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 4: which is barely in the ballpark what the elite fighters do.

497
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Like even then, you got an issue.

498
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 4: So to me, man, it's like, do you have an

499
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 4: issue with guys who can, in a grappling context attack

500
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 4: you quickly? You know, who have explosive wrestling, explosive backtaking,

501
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 4: explosive positional achievement. Are those guys trouble for you? Frank

502
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: Jeger might tell us the answer to that, because it's

503
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 4: like Sterling is Sterling. It's like, okay, man, that dude's

504
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 4: just a beast. He got your back. It wasn't your

505
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: day and you fought a tough bastard. Edgar is a

506
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 4: little bit slower, a little bit longer in the tooth.

507
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 4: If you also have problems with that, that might be

508
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 4: a broader issue. Or san Hagan stuffs it and he

509
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 4: beats the fuck out of him, and no, none of

510
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Speaker 4: this is relevant.

511
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Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna have to see.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, takedown is going to be the first and foremost key.

513
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: Can't wait to see what you know, because with Frankie

514
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: pushing that pace, we're going to see everything that san

515
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: Haagan has from a countering perspective, from an adaptability perspective,

516
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: should be a great one. Good God, I don't mean

517
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: to sound like Canadian people here, Luke, but this is

518
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: the people's main event. This is I'm in all right,

519
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: I'm in Looke the card. Don't suck around it. So

520
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: why don't we focus on any specific matchup that's jumping

521
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: out to you? When I see lightweights Michael Johnson and

522
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Speaker 3: Clay ged Look, I pop, right, old guys, big name's

523
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: been through the wars. Roll the dice one more time,

524
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Speaker 3: fellas and give me a hashtag old guy fight right,

525
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: come on?

526
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really care so much about that one.

527
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 4: It's fun to see what's left of Michael Johnson because

528
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: Michael Johnson has the weirdest resume. He's like, he's like,

529
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: he's obviously skilled, he obviously trains hard. You know, he

530
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't come in with weight issues to

531
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Speaker 4: my I mean, maybe he's had one along the way

532
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: or something, but you know, in general, a consummate professional

533
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 4: and has good wins over like legitimate guys and then

534
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: has these terrible losses that he just gives away in

535
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Speaker 4: the last minute. I don't know what to make of that.

536
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: But the one I really got my eye on. There's

537
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of the Pantojia and Cape fighter is one.

538
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 4: Stamen and Asker is another one Ascar of excuse me.

539
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: But the one I got my I on BC it's

540
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 4: in the lightweight division.

541
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Speaker 2: Carlos Diego Faerhead. I've taken it on Vanil daryusch Boy.

542
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Speaker 4: That one is that one is excellent because because you've

543
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: got the guy. It's two dark horses something in that

544
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 4: like that in that division in Carlos Dico forheada a

545
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 4: guy who was, you know, a good UFC level fighter,

546
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: but nothing too special. He got right in his career,

547
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: he got better over time. He got with Saifsode at

548
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: a fourtiss MMA. He's cleaned up his game and really

549
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: given him purpose, direction, all the things he needed to

550
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: make the most out of himself, and he ran through

551
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 4: Anthony Pettis like it was nothing. So I'm really curious

552
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: to see what his upside is. And then Panil Dariush.

553
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: You know, a guy who had a big name for

554
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 4: himself in the jiu jitsu world with a Darusch guard

555
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: and the trains out of h with the King's Mma,

556
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: and he has just this aggressive style when he wants it,

557
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 4: sometimes to a fault, but usually it comes out on

558
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 4: the better end of things. Two guys who are skilled

559
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: on the floor, two guys who are experiencing in the UFC.

560
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: Two guys who show you like you got to get

561
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: well past this point to get to a UFC title.

562
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: And these two guys are absolute fucking barbarians.

563
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: So nobody's talking about this fight, and nobody's talking about

564
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: Darry hush On, you know, a five fight win streak

565
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: against like the Drew do Berger car close level guys.

566
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: But he's coming in confident and ready. I mean that

567
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: guy can push the pace if he has to and

568
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: make fun fights for data. Some kind of weird dark

569
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: horse for this division. I don't know, Luke, this is

570
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: a good assway. This should be the prelim main event,

571
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: but you know, I don't make the cards, you know

572
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: what I mean? Whatever looke you had mentioned before, Michael Johnson,

573
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: who's thirty four, by the way, I looped him in

574
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: the group of old guy fights with Guida, But it's

575
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: it's it's because he's kind of at that crossroads with

576
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: so much you know, heavy damage had facing all killers.

577
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: It is a bit of a referendum. But Michael Johnson's

578
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: coming in not just on a three fight losing streak, Luke,

579
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: He's lost eight of his last eleven coming in, which

580
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: is insane, insane because it's pretty much all top level

581
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: competition from you know, Daryushan Nads to Habib, Justin Gatchee,

582
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: josh Emmett, et cetera. But yet in between he's got

583
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: a knockout win over poorier be Andre Peely. And before

584
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: that stretch, dude, you know about four straight impressive wins

585
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: Joe On Gleason, Tebowl, Melvin Gillard, and Edson Barbosa from

586
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen. I can't I can't tell

587
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: you somebody else who has a resume like that, and

588
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: who along those ways with multiple patches of three fight

589
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: losing skids that we still had this much respect for.

590
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: Because you just know when he's on, he's on. You

591
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: just know.

592
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: You know, even on those losses when he lost them,

593
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: he faded late, right, But when he came out in

594
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: the first round, how did he look? Usually pretty good?

595
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: Usually usually he comes out in fast hands, he's moving

596
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: his feet, you know, he's on way like there's no

597
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: drop off there.

598
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: It's as the fight goes on, there's the drop off.

599
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: Glita is not gonna be tired. But he's got some

600
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: tread on the tiers, if you know what I'm saying.

601
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: Like he's he's not the same kind of fighter he

602
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 4: once was either. So this is an interesting matchup. I

603
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: like the UC matchmaking behind it. But Michael Johnson's weird. Man,

604
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 4: He's weird. He's got all the ability in the world.

605
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: It seems like just you know, he's got he's you

606
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: know he is. Sometimes he's like Chuck Knoblock from the

607
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: the Yankees trying to throw a second. If you guys

608
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: don't know the reference, there was this guy back in

609
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: the Auts. He played second baseman for the New York Yankees.

610
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: He was a good player. And let's say there was

611
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: a ground ball hit two second, so between second and

612
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 4: first base, he would field it, no problem. He would

613
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 4: turn to throw and he would throw that bitch into

614
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: the stands and he'd be like, dude, what the fuck

615
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: are you doing? Throw at fifteen feet to the first basement,

616
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: something a child could literally do. And he would basically

617
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: explain he like he had to go see a sports

618
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: psychologist because he couldn't understand why he was just chucking

619
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 4: the shit into the upper deck when it was just

620
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: the easiest, most simple play right in front of him.

621
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 4: I feel like he is our Chuck Knoblock.

622
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had whiskey dick of the arm. You're saying

623
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: very similar to former Mets catcher Macki Sasser in my youth.

624
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: The same issue, Luke Hey in this preliminary main event, though,

625
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: I like Mike Rodriguez the light heavyweight. He's starting to

626
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: become one of those guys where it's like win or lose.

627
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: I got a watch, I know it. There's not to

628
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: do with the wacky Area code tats on his chest too. Luke,

629
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: he makes war. He's in there with Danielio Marcus, do

630
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: you have any love for this guy? I know he

631
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: just got subbed by ed Herman, which doesn't ring well

632
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 3: for his long term future.

633
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: But Rodriguez was a guy out of the Lazone camp

634
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: and jojols On, and he looked really good on Contender Series.

635
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: Didn't quite have the UFC run that I think was

636
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: expected of him, you know, despite having has a brilliant

637
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: debut and Contender Series. But to your point, very athletic, Yeah,

638
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 4: to an explosive to an extent. I do think highly

639
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: of him, but you're right he has He's flashed brilliance

640
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: and then kind of underperformed at times, maybe through some

641
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: defensive errors. It'll be curious to see how much he's

642
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: cleaned some of that up.

643
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a sneaky must watch guy where you see

644
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 3: him on the card where it doesn't matter the opponent.

645
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: So maybe that's why he's in that prelim main event.

646
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: But he's gonna need some wins here to get taken. Seriously, Luke,

647
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: let's roll on into the other headlines of the week,

648
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: unless you want to talk about like Molly Meatball or

649
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: anything on that undercard.

650
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: No, I'll just say I'll just say it's a good card.

651
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: It's worth watching.

652
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: The one thing to mention on the prelim prelim is

653
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: the debut of timur valaev value of I'm not sure

654
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: you pronounce it, but this is a dude on the

655
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: regional scene who was you know, making a ton of

656
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: not regional scene, but I should even say, pfl what's

657
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: here's of fighting was making a ton of noise. And

658
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: he obviously made his debut against Trevin Jones and it was,

659
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: you know, somewhat controversial and and didn't go to plan.

660
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: This one I think is coming to get a little late,

661
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: but still I still think quite highly of him.

662
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 3: And Cody Stamman. His featherweight opponent is Ascar Ascar not

663
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: to be confused Luke with flyweight titled dark Horse Escar

664
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: asking yes, you're.

665
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: Right, sorry, I almost dead wrong with myself. Good call,

666
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, Luke.

667
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, when in Hollywood, when like, uh, I don't know,

668
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: for maybe sagcard purposes, people have to like add an

669
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: initial to their middle name or what you know, like

670
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Michael J. Fox, right, just so he doesn't you're not

671
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: confused with some producer named Michael Fox. Can we do

672
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: that with some of these, because there's a lot of

673
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: Mago med Mago metalf type guys where it's like so close,

674
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm like butchering it every time, right, just.

675
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: Add a name to the end of it, like the

676
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: dude from the VFL who's really good, Maga mad magamed.

677
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: Care m off. Okay, we got to carry them off

678
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: at the end. I can. I can work with that.

679
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: I make sure POV there I go. I like that,

680
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: all right, Brian campbell Ski see that'll not so now.

681
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: No one's tweeting me like thinking I'm the defense defenseman

682
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: from the Sabers, right, I mean, come on, you know.

683
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: Look Thomas and by the way, plays in some kind

684
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: of English not the Premier League is the top tier,

685
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: but it's like second or third tier. I think he

686
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: plays like second or third tier soccer, and everyone tweets

687
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: me every time he fucking makes a goal. It's like great,

688
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: you guys know I don't give a fuck, but okay,

689
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: thank you.

690
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: A flying one like that. Yeah, like like yeah, okay, hey,

691
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: let's roll on here, Luke. It's not Social Justice Wednesday,

692
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: but people are chirping on the old innerwebs and it

693
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: is getting people fired up for a fight, so Nate Diaz,

694
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: which is kind of a shot in the arm to

695
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: my whole Hey, Nate Diaz has a lightweight title contestant,

696
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: is awesome. No one will hate that. Turns out a

697
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: lot of people hated that, first of all, Luke, But

698
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: second of all, it went against a post that Nate

699
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: he has made the same day, basically kind of announcing

700
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm ready to come back at one seventy, which would

701
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: make more sense in this situation. He put out the pick,

702
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: come get come get you some of the real with

703
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: the fist.

704
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: What's it say above that.

705
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: NDA soldier one hundred and seventy.

706
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: Pounds non disclosure agreement Soldier.

707
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 3: Nick Diaz Academy. I don't know, Nick Das Army, Nick

708
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: Das Army.

709
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think that's right. All right.

710
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Well, he did get a responder, a first responder, a

711
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: man by the name of El KAKUI, Luke, how much

712
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: did this move your loins? Brother? All you do is

713
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: bitch out. You don't want no squabbles from a real

714
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: fighter one seventy or one fifty five, Sit down and

715
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: shut the f up, casual, Luke? That much he was

716
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: It was a reply to the tweet them are fighting words, Luke,

717
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: and Wow, I mean, you know i'd take Connor. Ferguson,

718
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: I know you were also big on Connor's comeback fight

719
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: should be Tony and it'd be fantastic. But Nate in

720
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: Tony is just reckless violence.

721
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Luke.

722
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't hate that fight. In many ways, it

723
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: makes sense since both guys are coming off of losses.

724
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: But you know, you just have to feel like, what's

725
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: gonna get Nate to compete at?

726
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be that? Maybe maybe it would be that.

727
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: I tend to think it would not be, though, I

728
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: tend to think that's not the kind of fight they're

729
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: looking for. They're looking for someone who's on the upswing.

730
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: Remember they the ds is love being the ultimate B side.

731
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: That's what they like. They love nothing more.

732
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: Than to be the Pacquiao to the Mayweather or the

733
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: Canelo to the Mayweather. That they prefer that position you

734
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: do the heavy lifting. I don't know that Ferguson gives

735
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: him that, even though you know, is the fight going

736
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: to be good? Yeah, I mean there's no denying the

737
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: fight would be tremendous, But I don't know. I'm skeptical.

738
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: That's the thing. He'll he'll go for.

739
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: So it's interesting that the people that didn't like my

740
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: idea of all MMA fans being okay with with that

741
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: type of shoddy match making, given Nate the dust and

742
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 3: title shot next where he doesn't deserve it. There respond

743
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: a lot of the responses were, are you freaking kidding me?

744
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: You think Dana would ever, you know, give a chance

745
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: for an undeserving Nate to have the keys to the kingdom.

746
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: So that basically illustrates the idea that even more than

747
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: cashing in on Nate's name, it would be important for

748
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: smart matchmaking to say, like you said, let's instead use

749
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: him to sacrifice him to somebody who can get the rub.

750
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: Tony don't need the rub. You know, Dustin don't need

751
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: the rub. You're right, Luke, Is there some I mean, like,

752
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: is it gonna end up being Hamza Schamayah versus Nate

753
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: Diaz it to your point eventually for that same reason, right.

754
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: No, No, But I think it's like you know, Maswitol,

755
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: I think he's probably still looking for that one. Obviously,

756
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: we know he wants the Dustin one. That's sort of

757
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: still up there, right. It's like the Ferguson one two

758
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: losses in a row. Again, it's not that I think

759
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: that's a big deal. I think the fight we should

760
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: be made tomorrow, I'd be totally okay with it. It's

761
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: just like you have to think realistically, what could you

762
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: actually offer the guy to make him say yes, as

763
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: difficult as that may be, Or you know, you could

764
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: just say the UFC won't. Maybe just offer of more money.

765
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: That might work well, Luke.

766
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: Beig friends with you once in a while, I do

767
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: like to just check your pulse and make sure you're

768
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: you're real and you're breathing and you're not some you know,

769
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: shit spewing angry mannequin. Can I please check your fighting

770
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: soul for a second. We did kind of gloss over it.

771
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: If you heard right now that they were making Ferguson

772
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: versus Nate, what at the very least the real sloppy

773
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: fight fan inside of you, like feel it? Like just

774
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: start shadow boxing into the into the mirror. I mean,

775
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: do you still have feelings, Luke?

776
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: I know.

777
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: Not for this one in the way that you do.

778
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: You asked me, like, which one would get me pumped

779
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 4: out of Sonya Jones? That's what would get me like

780
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 4: shadow boxing in the mirror, so something like that.

781
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to make sure that you know you're

782
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: still there with us, Luke, Okay, I don't.

783
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: I don't tend like you go to Cumberland Farms and

784
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: you know an ideas, which is Tony is still to

785
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: elite fighters, Like that's not the fair comparison. But to

786
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: your point about things like, I don't get super jazz

787
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: about the weird end of the fight game in the

788
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: way that you do. I get jazzed about the very

789
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: top tier, especially when it's realistic.

790
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: You know. So Okay, there you go.

791
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: So I get moved for like uh, you know, Jake

792
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: Paul versus somebody. You get moved for two guys in

793
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: a gee and Abu Dhabi rolling around.

794
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: It's no do you get jazzed for the homely neighbor

795
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: across the street. I get jazzed for a big bouncing

796
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 4: Latina booties. It's a big it's a big difference between you.

797
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: And that's called girl next homely neighbor. A nice way

798
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: to say homely neighbor across the street is you know,

799
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: co ed girl next door. That's you know, let's let's

800
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: get it right here.

801
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: Solid you like solid fives. That's what you like, Luke.

802
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 3: We do tend to say a lot that nobody loses

803
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 3: better than Connor McGregor, and I think that's true. He's introspective,

804
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: he's honest. He cuts right to the chase about what

805
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: he thinks he did wrong and how he can improve it.

806
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: Connor recently put out a multi Instagram rant here explaining

807
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: his loss to Pooria. Excuse me after watching some tape.

808
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: He says, some highlights from my last fight, what a

809
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: trilogy I now have on my hands. Exciting with a

810
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: handle on the leg kicks, I will get back to

811
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: having fun in there. I was in second gear cruising

812
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 3: this fight, best condition I've ever been in. But after

813
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: the wrestling in clinch exchanges, my shots still held their pop.

814
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: First time for me with this, so I am very

815
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: encouraged to keep going. It was the first time I

816
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: did not use or need the stool between rounds. Blah

817
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: blah blah on that element, Luke, but he went on

818
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: to basically talk about this was the first time he's

819
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: had his legs exposed to that level. It really affected him.

820
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: He'd never felt it before. We can keep scrolling here,

821
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: anything else.

822
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: Yes, it get past that, he goes back to it,

823
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 4: thoughts on the bout there you go.

824
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: All right, I enjoyed racking up some time in the

825
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: inside the fame doctor. Gone forty seconds in three years

826
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: is all I have had up to this point. Blah

827
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: blah blah. All right, I'm losing my steam here, Luke.

828
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: But he said, basically says fair point to him losing

829
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: this when in his mind he was using this fight

830
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: as a setup for a boxing match against pac Man.

831
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: I deserve to get the leg kicks off me going

832
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: in with this way of thinking, this is not the

833
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: game to play around with. Besides this, though my shots

834
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: were sharp, I was in full control, albeit the leg

835
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: attacks were building up on me throughout the course. Extensive

836
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: stuff on there. He gives credit to Porier for the

837
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: finishing fury. Now, look, Luke, we get to talk about

838
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: this because it's Connor right. We probably wouldn't care as

839
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: much for James Vick, who, oh, by the way, did

840
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: put out I don't think we have it, but a

841
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: very sort of humble and sober and emotional retirement speech,

842
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: kind of breaking down how the game passed him by

843
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: in some ways. But Luke, do you take this since

844
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: we are doing it as Connor understanding what happened. Look,

845
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: deep inside of himself was thinking too much about big

846
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: money boxing against Pacquiao, and you know, had his blinders

847
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: on to the idea that Poorier could do.

848
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: This to him. Yeah. I find it just a little weird,

849
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: you know, like I can't believe he used pix.

850
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: Martial arts to fight me. It's like word, you know,

851
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: like that's what you you're surprised by that.

852
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I found that a little weird.

853
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: The thing that was off putting for me was, you know,

854
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: you couldn't read it and come away at least I

855
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: didn't be seen. But I didn't come away reading it

856
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: being like, well, this guy is totally checked out from

857
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: the fight game.

858
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: I didn't get that. I did not get that am pressure.

859
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: At least, I could not declare to you that that

860
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 4: was the real interpretation that you should actually have. But

861
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: I will say, because you know, you had to scroll

862
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: through and scroll through and scroll through, because half of

863
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: that shit was just an ad for some fucking spray

864
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 4: he's hawking. You know what reminded me of and I

865
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 4: said this on my lif chat yesterday, which was it

866
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: just reminded me and I'm not saying that it is,

867
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: but I'm saying here's what it felt like. It felt

868
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: like reading the post or the YouTube video or whatever

869
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: of a famous influencer who was going on some vacation

870
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: at some hotel and was promoting the hotel because they

871
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 4: were getting a free night's day, Like someone who's living

872
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: this wafty vac you with existence whose purpose was none

873
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: other than, you know, popularity for popularity's sake, in glorifying

874
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: products to get money, and there was really nothing else

875
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 4: rooted beneath it. I'm not telling you that's the case.

876
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's the case. If I try to,

877
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: I would be lying because I don't have any proof

878
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: about it. But I am saying when I read it,

879
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, this felt like an influencer trying to

880
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: sell me some shit through their bullshit you know lives.

881
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: And I did not.

882
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: I did not come away with the feeling that like

883
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: this ate at him or he understood the gravity of it,

884
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: you know, that kind of thing was weird.

885
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have, you know, conversations with my wife about

886
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: our family and our life and our future and stuff,

887
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: and I'll say things and she'll always hit me with

888
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: the same CounterPunch of are you telling me that for

889
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: me or for you? And I'm wondering if this is

890
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor putting all this stuff out there more for

891
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: him to try to make Okay, I figured it out. See,

892
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: I'll show you. I figured it out. I'm going to

893
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: be fine. Yet I don't love this. I love humility.

894
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: I love going right to the microphone after a loss

895
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: and saying it was on me. But I feel like

896
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: I see where I can fix it. I'll be back

897
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: in the gym, you'll see again. Right, that's great, Actually, right,

898
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: that in some ways instantly restores some of the value

899
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: that you just lost for taking a loss. I didn't

900
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: like when he did this same thing after the Habib fight.

901
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little bit too giving us

902
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: too much, like showing us a little bit too much

903
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: behind the curtain. Like I almost wanted to be like,

904
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, I apologize to nobody and I'm gonna come

905
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: back and knock out the next guy. It was almost

906
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: a little bit like, oh, yes, I did this wrong here,

907
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: Oh I wasn't prepared enough here, who I wasn't here? Like,

908
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, don't show us that side don't go

909
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: too far with this, and because when you do, Luke,

910
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: it looks a little bit desperate. And now I'm starting

911
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: to it makes us start to go while he has

912
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: a great fighting spirit in all time, great fighting spirit,

913
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: and part of the our analysis in the aftermath of

914
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: the loss, oh, by the way, is whether that fighting

915
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: spirit is still there and at the same level due

916
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: to the fame and money he's achieved. But does he

917
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: have the fight?

918
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: IQ?

919
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: Do we give him too much credit for that? Is

920
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: this an expose of like like you just said, oh,

921
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: revelation he'd be He used them to beat me. He

922
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: used calf kicks to beat me, fair play to the

923
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: fair play to the old bloke. I was thinking more

924
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 3: about hitting Manny with a left cross for eighty million.

925
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, does this kind of expose him as like

926
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: you know, you you white belt IQ have in mother effort?

927
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean he's got high IQ's he's not. He wouldn't

928
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: lose IQ over this. You either have it or you don't.

929
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: I mean, he can develop nurture to an extent, but no,

930
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: I think.

931
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: He has it.

932
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: Here's the thing for MEBC, we might need to rethink

933
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: it and listen to the words I'm saying might might

934
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: because I don't think you know, the problem with the

935
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: fight game is you don't have many things upon which

936
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: to draw a sample size. You have very very narrow samples,

937
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: and so it can lead you in the wrong direction,

938
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: very very easily. So you do need to be careful

939
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 4: about any kind of conclusion that you draw that doesn't

940
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: fit for the hot take world that we live in.

941
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: But it is the truth. So here's the thing that

942
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm thinking.

943
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: You know, we saw him have this kind of elder

944
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: statesman calm and collected role against Cowboy, and he went

945
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: and ran over Cowboy, all right. And then he had

946
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: the calm and collected role against Dustin Paria and he

947
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: got steamrolled. I don't know what that means, but I

948
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: will tell you that one idea I am entertaining is

949
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: that maybe we do need to rethink this, like calm,

950
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: calculated McGregor is just as good as the one who

951
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 4: is full of vinegar and piss. I'm not so sure

952
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: that that's true. Now here's what I mean. I would

953
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: like to see him against a right handed opponent. I

954
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: would like to see if he brings back some of

955
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: these other weapons. I would like to see what lesson

956
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 4: he actually learns from this, and you know we can.

957
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: I just want more information upon which to draw a conclusion.

958
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: But I think you and I were a little bit

959
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: dismissive of the idea that he has to go out

960
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: there and talk shit to win. And it's like, I

961
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: don't know that he needs to do that, BC that

962
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: he has to buy bah bah bah bah badger people.

963
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: But maybe the reason he badgered people is because he

964
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: was so laser focused on a goal and so committed

965
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: to it. That was the natural symptom of the larger purpose.

966
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 4: I do wonder about whether that has cooled a little bit.

967
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: Look, I disagreat I love this discussion. I love even

968
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: if people things were not qualified or shouldn't waste our

969
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: time with this. I love sometimes when our role becomes

970
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: that armchair psychologist to try to figure it out. The

971
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: best comparison I can make is the guy we mentioned

972
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 3: Manny Pacio Luke when he used to gamble and woman

973
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: eyes on the side in that initial run through, you

974
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: know Featherway lightweight one forty initially get into the welter Way.

975
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 3: He was a steam train. He was ridiculous Luke. Okay,

976
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: many Pakia was a tropical storm of energy and punches.

977
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: And then and this is a documented story that's true,

978
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: on the way to the ring for that twenty eleven trilogy,

979
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: the third bout with one Manuel Marquez, all reports seemed

980
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: to indicate and have been confirmed, that his wife stopped

981
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: him and confronted him about his infidelity. Luke, and he

982
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: went out there that night. I don't know if remember

983
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: that third fight. Manny came out with a different strategy.

984
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: He tried to CounterPunch in the beginning. Marquez took what

985
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: a lot of people thought was a huge lead on

986
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 3: the cards. Many rallied late comes away with the draw.

987
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: It's very controversial, I'm sorry, not a draw or was

988
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: that the either way, whether it was Manny winning closer

989
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: was a draw. The whole point was everyone had thought

990
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: Marquez had won. Okay, From that point on, Luke, Manny

991
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: was the you know, Bible toting guy. And save for

992
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: that fourth fight with Marquez where Marcus just pulled the

993
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: old warrior out of him and it led to Manny

994
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: getting flatlined, I never saw again that same guy. So

995
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a little ridiculous to say, hey, Manny,

996
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: can we go back to shooting dice. Can we go

997
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: back to you know, nightclub and to find the animal again?

998
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, people change, people evolved. It's not as easy

999
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: as that. But I didn't see a Manny pacyah who

1000
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: was willing to destroy people anymore after that fight. To

1001
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 3: your point, maybe Connor needs to stir the pop more

1002
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: looking across the table to get the most out of him.

1003
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: Luke, it's interesting or I mean, I don't know if

1004
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: that would be like trying to reverse engineer the point

1005
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make, like does that bring back the fire?

1006
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1007
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is if you have fire, these other

1008
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: things will get burned. I don't know if you can

1009
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: just burn those other things and then get back the

1010
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: fire that it doesn't work quite the same way. I mean,

1011
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, may it may not. I don't

1012
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: know what I'm just what I'm wondering.

1013
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Is say again, oh after you no, I finish just again.

1014
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering.

1015
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: It's like, can you be the calm, cool elder statesman

1016
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: McGregor and compete your very best? We've only really seen

1017
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: it for two fights. It's not a lot of evidence

1018
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: upon which to make a bold conclusion, but I do

1019
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: think it's at least worth paying attention to.

1020
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: All Right, well, I do. I think that's smart. I

1021
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: do sometimes dip my toe into the conspiracy space, Luke. Okay,

1022
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: yesterday I largely had a day off. I was chilling.

1023
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: I even threw on the Luke Thomas live chat that

1024
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 3: you do shit for a couple minutes. Checked in, right

1025
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 3: you you were talking about Austin our relationship. It was great.

1026
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: You know, you were very nice to me. I was like, man,

1027
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: this guy's really nice. What a great partner I have

1028
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: in this life?

1029
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: I see, I am nice.

1030
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: I was reading one of the comments, though, this guy

1031
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: has an interesting take here, Luke. His name is do

1032
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: you see what I see? Productions? Okay, this is just

1033
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: a generic comment aimed at probably conversations you had during

1034
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: the chat. I find it hilarious that all you fight

1035
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: analysts can't seem to put a finger on why Connor's

1036
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: trash talk has declined. It's not because he's all grown

1037
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: up and he has evolved past the trash talk. So

1038
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: he picks fighters that won't trash talk to him because

1039
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to have the fighters bring up how

1040
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: he punched an old man or how he did this

1041
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: or that to women. Connor's on a leash because he

1042
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: needs his opponents to be respectful so the world can't

1043
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: forget about his issues outside the ring. Luke end quote.

1044
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: I know that sounds trolly, and I know your natural

1045
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: reaction is to be like, all right, yeah, sure, right.

1046
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any element of truth that some

1047
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: of this is a PR campaign.

1048
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 4: No, that's a very stupid point that that person made,

1049
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: which is why I tend to not listen to those

1050
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: kinds of things. I have almost zero confidence in the

1051
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: idea that what he's trying to do is just head

1052
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 4: off PR conversations. I tend to think if you want

1053
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: to play the dozens with Connor McGregor, you're gonna fucking lose.

1054
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: It's just that I don't know that he has that

1055
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: kind of thing in him anymore. I don't think what

1056
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 4: he's trying to do is get them to say nice

1057
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: things about him.

1058
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: Well, he needs a dance partner, too, Luk. You do

1059
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: need a dance partner that brings it out of you.

1060
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1061
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: And also it's like, you know, the guys he fought,

1062
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: Serni and Poarier, I mean, are they going to be

1063
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: the kinds that really drive the sword into the heart

1064
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: of him, Maybe Seroni if he got bitter enough. But

1065
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: Poarier doesn't seem like Poarier was assiduously not trying to

1066
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: do that kind of a thing. So no, it's a

1067
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 4: very dumb point.

1068
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: All right, fair, at least at least this crazy man

1069
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: had his say in court right here.

1070
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: So that's right. I got his say.

1071
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: We got to find his idea in the court of ideas,

1072
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: and I hereby rule it to be. You know, this

1073
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: is the dominion voting machines are responsible for Hugo Chavez

1074
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 4: influenced election overturning level of stupidity.

1075
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: Bunk Luke.

1076
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: We had a couple of quick hitters in the news cycle.

1077
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: Want to tickle your fancy Haresye, if you're moved by them?

1078
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: How about this for may a proposed send off fight

1079
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: for the great Diego Sanchez, Donald cowboy SARONI.

1080
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I don't hate it. I

1081
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 4: don't hate it. They had beef before. SERRONI I think

1082
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: is very much on his last legs as a professional.

1083
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: We all know that's I mean Sanchez in a similar position.

1084
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 4: I think is a nice way to put it, and

1085
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: you know there's a story to be told there with

1086
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: both of their careers at this point. I don't hate it.

1087
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 4: I don't hate it at all. And you know, this

1088
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: is the thing about like retiring in the UFC. Even

1089
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: as long in the truth as Sarroni is, he's still

1090
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: not an easy guy to beat. Like you're gonna have

1091
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: to be good to do it. That's a tough fight

1092
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: to go out on, dude. There's a very real possibility

1093
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 4: Serroni could fuck him up, you know. I mean, obviously

1094
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: Diego can win two. I don't want to preclude that

1095
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: as a legitimate possibility, but equally legitimate, if not more so,

1096
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: would be Serroni really going in.

1097
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: There embodying him. Boy, that's a tough way to make

1098
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: a living on the way out the door man. That is.

1099
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: This is a great fight. This is great matchmaking, dude.

1100
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: This is senior division matchmaking at its finest. And I

1101
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: know it's a retirement pout, but it makes it just perfect, Luke,

1102
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: this has quasi potential and their chins would have to

1103
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: hold up to be a poor, poor poor man's Griffin

1104
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: Bonner one right, just both of us are it? We

1105
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: made this may be our last night here. Let's leave

1106
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: it all right here, Luke.

1107
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those guys weren't at the end of their runs.

1108
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 3: No, not not in terms of themes, but in terms

1109
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: of the result.

1110
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it may.

1111
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 4: You know, you're not getting the very best Donald SERRONI probably,

1112
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 4: and you're probably not going to get the very best

1113
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: Diego Sanchez. Still, the thing about this one is you

1114
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: still may get enough to bring some dog out of

1115
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: both of them here, given the bad blood that they've

1116
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: had and the history that they shared.

1117
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go immediately,

1118
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: you know.

1119
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: Towards Oh, this is a car crash I have to watch, versus.

1120
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: This could be something a little more elegant than that. Well,

1121
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: we'll have to see, all right, Luke.

1122
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: Unbeaten rising star in boxing Tao Femo Lopez Junior. He's

1123
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: got three of four or four of four lightweight titles,

1124
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: depend how you deal with this BS alphabet game. It

1125
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 3: looks like his next opponent is rumored to be April

1126
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: or May. A mandatory defense, Luke. When you have a

1127
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: lot of titles, they make you have a lot of

1128
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: mandatories against unbeating George Camboso's junior. I realize that's a

1129
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: name that doesn't leap through your screen, but he is

1130
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: nineteen and oero from Australia. White dude covered in tats

1131
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: up and down has some pretty good wins in terms

1132
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: of climbing the lattery to get to this point. This

1133
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: could be a fun fight, but because it doesn't scream sexiness,

1134
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: because this is what we do in boxing. Are you

1135
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: okay with this? You feeling this at all?

1136
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking at his tattoos.

1137
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got a lot of what I call black

1138
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: and gray athlete tattoos, wings, a lot of Jesus on

1139
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: the cross clouds, that kind of a thing. No, there

1140
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 4: is nothing more perfunctory than mandatory bouts in boxing. Thing

1141
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: is less needed and more worthless than the bouts they

1142
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: call mandatory. So if he's got to do it, he's

1143
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: gotta do it. Are you asking me if I'm excited? No,

1144
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 4: Lopez should absolutely demolish this guy.

1145
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: I'll be I'll be excited to watch the fight. But yeah,

1146
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: that's how it works in boxing. Unfortunately, uh luke, we

1147
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: had a little bit of uh near fisticuffs here Thursday.

1148
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: This is all ahead of tonight's Friday Night BKFC knuckle

1149
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: Mania pay per view. It's Page van Zan, it's Brian Hart.

1150
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Let's go to the videotape.

1151
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: Knuckle Maniam Maine event twenty five.

1152
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: So the women's fish and Britain's not.

1153
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: Tucking first.

1154
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: You gotta twist it.

1155
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: You gotta twisting NA can't show you can cut the

1156
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: rules right before you come in the fucking game.

1157
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: How about that he rule I will touch you smile.

1158
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: Luke to quote britton Hart, get the fing rules, Get

1159
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: the f ing rules right, Luke, this is BKFC. At

1160
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: ain't mm a, there's no fing choking batch Uh uh yeah,

1161
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: David Feldon, get in the middle of that. The BKFC

1162
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: promoter there, uh Luke britten Hart. Just if you're wondering,

1163
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: is one and two in BKFC does have a split

1164
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: decision loss though to uh one? Uh what's her name?

1165
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: What's her? What's her beck rawlings? Who is that the

1166
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: same person that that uh Page did the jumping switch

1167
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: kits switch kick ko in twenty sixteen. Yes, okay, so

1168
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: you're you. It's not crazy to think obviously, if Page

1169
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: wins this, that's maybe the next long term pay per

1170
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: view battle or building toward. But Britton Hart has a

1171
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: pro boxing career as well, Luke. She's four four and three,

1172
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: including two wins over opponents with a combined record of

1173
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: zero and ten. She's scrappy. I've watched some tape. She's

1174
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: got a quick jab. She will have a height advantage

1175
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: over Page when it's all said and done. I know

1176
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: you don't care.

1177
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: I know that.

1178
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: But is Britton Heart alive dog here?

1179
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 4: I tend to think not. I tend to think that

1180
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: BKFC obviously. The guy who runs it, Dave Phelp, is

1181
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: actually a pretty smart guy, and I think has a

1182
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: decent sense for, you know, what combat sports realities are

1183
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 4: and how to navigate the space. He's actually pretty bright, dude.

1184
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: I tend to think that they're giving her a fight

1185
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 4: that she can win. But again, it's like the Connor thing.

1186
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, is she all in this?

1187
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Did she train?

1188
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: Like?

1189
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: Did she take this fight seriously at all? I mean

1190
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: she made weight? Okay, that says something.

1191
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: Maybe she goes in there and bludgeons her. But like,

1192
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: here's the thing. If Heart goes in there and wins

1193
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: and van Zandt looks listless, you know, could you really

1194
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: be like, wow, dude, that's shocking, you know what I mean,

1195
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: you could never be that way. You could never be

1196
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: in a position where you're like, I just I can't

1197
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 4: believe that. Of course, you can believe that she's she was,

1198
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 4: you know, okay in the UFC at best, and now

1199
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: she's out and she has all these opportunities to do

1200
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: things outside of the octagon or outside the cage ring

1201
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 4: or whatever that you would understandably, you know, say it

1202
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: provides a distraction, and here she is a BKFC probably

1203
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 4: expecting to just waltz over these Dabbronis this person didn't.

1204
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: Take it that way?

1205
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I could. I can easily see that and

1206
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: be like, that's that's that's not surprising at all.

1207
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. So here's what's interesting. I think the reason why

1208
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: we've seen more x MMA fighters than X boxers go

1209
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: to BKFC, which is in a lot of ways a

1210
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: boxing fight in a circular boxing ring, is because Luke,

1211
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: there is allowed a level of MMA style grappling and

1212
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: dirty boxing that you don't see a lot of, which

1213
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 3: is interesting. So I went back and watched a little

1214
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: bit of Brittain Hart against Beck Rawlings to prepare my

1215
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: previews story for CBS Sports. And you know, Britton Hart

1216
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: was very successful for example of put Beck in a

1217
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: headlock with one hand and bully punching her with the other,

1218
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: which again is legal in BKFC. So you know, I mean,

1219
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: you got Bretton Hart saying this, this ain't MMA, you know,

1220
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: get the rules right. Well, if she uses some MMA tactics,

1221
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: it may help her beat Brittainhart easily.

1222
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: I know.

1223
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: Again you don't care. This is by the way down

1224
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: the road. It's in Lakeland, Florida, not too far from

1225
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: Tampa where the super Bowl is this weekend on CBS.

1226
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 3: So trying to get the rub off of that. Yeah, Luke,

1227
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: that is what it is there. We'll see what happens

1228
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: tonight for Old Page. Also in the world of wacky

1229
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 3: combat sports, we tease about this on Wednesday. Here's the

1230
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: face off from Rough and Rout he brought to you

1231
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 3: by Barstool Sports. Fifty six year old jose Canseco against

1232
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: twenty two year old Billy Football, who apparently Luke is

1233
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: like a intern on the on the part of my

1234
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: take Barstool Pod.

1235
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: Here we go, see I like this a lot more.

1236
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean, look, you have discretionary income. Would

1237
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: you pay well? Is that A? Was that a? B?

1238
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: Was that what's that dude's name?

1239
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeap pft commentor.

1240
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: Yes it was? Yes? Would you drop a twenty spot

1241
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 3: for this then, Luke?

1242
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: No, but got to look at that fat mastard. Jesus,

1243
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: you know there's something pure and honest about this. I mean,

1244
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: this is just you know, like there's there are, there are,

1245
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 4: there's the elite of the game. Then there are the

1246
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: posers who try to pretend that the game is something

1247
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 4: other than what it is. And then there are the

1248
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: guys who are like, yo, this is just what you.

1249
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Think it is.

1250
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 4: This is just carnival barking to the nth degree, no more,

1251
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: no less. I love the honest pitch in combat sports,

1252
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 4: I mean more than anything.

1253
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: That's what I like. And so, uh, you know, rough

1254
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: and RODDI doesn't make any pretension about what it is.

1255
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: It's just too right.

1256
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: But Luke, but to be fair, there ain't a ton

1257
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: of difference between Jake Paul and Ben Askron than rough

1258
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: and rowdy. It's basically rough and rowdy. So what's your

1259
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: what's your issue here?

1260
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: Because it's a have you seen me say one nice

1261
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: thing about Jake Paul and Ben Askron.

1262
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: It's the same thing though as jose Can Sako and

1263
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 3: Billy Football. It really is Luke, except for one's probably

1264
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: done in a bar.

1265
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: Right.

1266
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: Yes, again, I'm asking you, when have I said good

1267
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: things about these stupid ass exhibition fights.

1268
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: You never have. I'm just saying you you're saying good

1269
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: things about rough and rowdy when this isn't Jake Paul

1270
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: and Ben Askron baseb.

1271
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: I suit you mean, yes, but I mean the difference

1272
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: is even there's this no, but that's different because there's

1273
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: still a lot of pretension, right. The pretension is like, well,

1274
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 4: we have a world class athlete in Benaskert. Okay, but dude,

1275
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 4: Ben Askrin's credentials are I mean, they're amazing. But the

1276
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: guys had a hip replaced. He's long past it, you know.

1277
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: It's just it's hard to know, you know what you're

1278
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 4: gonna get here, And Jake Paul is using this to

1279
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: be like, well, if I lose, I lost to a

1280
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: UFC fighter was a Dan Hodge Trophy winner and two

1281
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: time NCAA champion. If he wins, he's gonna be like, here,

1282
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 4: I am beating guys who were in the UFC just

1283
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 4: a year or so ago.

1284
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: You know, that's what he's going to do.

1285
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 4: He's trying to use it as a way to launder

1286
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 4: the fact that he is not a real fighter and

1287
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 4: to people, getting people to think that he is one.

1288
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: There's total pretension about that that's not true at all.

1289
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's still shitty boxing, right,

1290
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: It's still still what it is, grudge match, celebrity shitty

1291
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: boxing at the end.

1292
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: Also, watch a lot of people.

1293
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: When I you know, when I interviewed Paige Vans an

1294
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: interview on Morning Combat you can still check out on

1295
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: YouTube ahead of tonight's fight, a lot of people were

1296
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: responding in the comments, you know, and being kind of

1297
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: rude of like page only fans, and it won't be

1298
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: long till she's on only fans, Luke. She did make

1299
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: a big announcement yesterday that she's launching her own website,

1300
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: pagefansant dot com, which I only could take. It will

1301
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: be her own controlled version of like a pay for

1302
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: play site where you can get like exclusive access to her.

1303
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't know the level. I don't know if it's

1304
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: only fans level, but uh so it did happen, Luke,

1305
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: but at least she's entrepreneuring it your thoughts.

1306
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: I don't care. All right, it's great, it's good.

1307
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: Good talking to you, Okay, Luke, let's roll on final pieces. Look,

1308
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: this is stephen I thing. It didn't go away. I

1309
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: wanted it to go away. I don't. It's not even

1310
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: new to me. He's been saying this forever. But the

1311
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: thing that I got a lot of people in Uproar

1312
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: was Steven A. Smith becoming very transparent about his thoughts

1313
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: about women's sports and women's MMA in general. Luke and

1314
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't even remember what platform he said it on,

1315
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: what the situation was, but he came out and said,

1316
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's just not for me. You know, I'm

1317
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: not for women fighting each other, and I never have been.

1318
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: And like I do understand where he's coming from him

1319
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: where always has come from, Luke. He's always coming from

1320
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: the standpoint that, like, I love women, They're beautiful to me,

1321
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: they're wonderful creatures. We're supposed to take care of them.

1322
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to see them throw violence on each other.

1323
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: It's not that it's not lost on me, Luke that

1324
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one that is a very limiting sort

1325
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: of outlook on the role of women in society, and

1326
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: that's what kept this up wear alive. Plenty of female

1327
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: fighters and influencers have jumped out, including Joanna Jungjchek responding

1328
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 3: with this tweet that says, I appreciate your transparency, Steven A. Smith,

1329
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: although I wish everyone at ESPN and throughout the world

1330
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: saw women's sports in a positive light. Sure you that

1331
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: we women don't need your support to some degree. It's

1332
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: an interesting tweak because these are all kind of the

1333
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: same family with the UFC deal on ESPN, although you

1334
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: know that's not really being thought of as much here,

1335
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 3: but it's still not the best look for ESPN. Where

1336
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: do you weigh in on this besides just saying I

1337
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: don't care Steve Na shouldn't talk about MMA.

1338
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's a little bit complicated because he made

1339
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: the statements on some podcast.

1340
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 4: Again I forget which one is, well, so please forgive me.

1341
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: And then like a day or two after it made news,

1342
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: it was like International Women in Sports Day, right where

1343
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 4: this day you're sort of celebrating the growth of women

1344
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 4: and the side of sports that women are able to

1345
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 4: participate in and certainly in the MMA side, it's a

1346
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: big component, right, and so this was, you know, it

1347
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: all just sort of snowballed in that kind of a way,

1348
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 4: at least on our side of things. I mean, it's

1349
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 4: obviously a moronic opinion, and people have been like, you know,

1350
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: isn't he entitled to his opinion? Since when are people

1351
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: entitled to opinions and not fee back about them. Well,

1352
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: I haven't enjoyed that one at all. Every opinion I gave,

1353
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: certainly positive or negative, gets plenty of feedback. Apparently I'm

1354
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: not entitled to the same kind of hushed silence that

1355
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 4: stephen A is entitled to about a retro grade, fucking

1356
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 4: opinion that you know, only an idiot could could possibly

1357
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 4: only an idiot or an old person basically could possibly believe.

1358
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 4: And so kind of amazing how we want to extend

1359
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 4: to this guy silent reverence for an opinion that, yeah,

1360
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 4: we may or may not like, but he's entitled to

1361
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: like no feedback and no fuck, that's a stupid opinion,

1362
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: and he's a very very unintelligent man. Here's here, Listen,

1363
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 4: the only person who's like this is my dad, and

1364
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 4: my dad is eighty uh, you know this is this

1365
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: is who we're polling for contemporary sports takes. The only

1366
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 4: thing I have to say about a BC is every

1367
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 4: time this guy parachutes into some large MMA show, he

1368
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: goes in there and gives either opinions that are true

1369
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: but boring or false but inflammatory, and then we do

1370
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 4: this whole thing over and over over again. I mean

1371
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: to say this one more time. His opinions on MMA, and.

1372
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't know this about box or excuse me about basketball.

1373
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: This may not be true there.

1374
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 4: I do not have enough to say about it on

1375
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 4: football or basketball or most team sports, but certainly when

1376
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: it comes to MMA, Dude, the guy is not credible

1377
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 4: in any capacity whatsoever. He got something kind of half right,

1378
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 4: sort of about Seroni, and even that wasn't true. He

1379
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: doesn't know what he's talking about. He's there to make attention.

1380
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: He's there to give casual fans a reason to tune in.

1381
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 4: Although that's overstated as.

1382
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, but wrong.

1383
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: You're not wrong discrediting him or saying who cares? I

1384
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: get all that, but this this came off as an

1385
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: evolvement off of an earlier thing where he was saying,

1386
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: I don't ever want to see a man and a

1387
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: woman fight each other professionally, and his reasoning Luke was

1388
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: I don't want men to subconsciously think that.

1389
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: What he said, That's not what he said.

1390
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: He also said he doesn't want to see women fighting

1391
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: at all in combats, But now.

1392
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: You're misquoting me. I'm saying the comments about not wanting

1393
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: to see women fight in combats words evolved out of

1394
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: the conversation in which he started with, which is I

1395
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 3: don't want to see a man in a woman fight

1396
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: because it gives people subconsciously the license to believe they

1397
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: can hit women. So if you think of it through

1398
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: that evolvement, is it completely outdated for him to say

1399
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to see two women fight each other

1400
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: because I love women, Like is there any side where

1401
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 3: we're overblowing this from even what he said? No?

1402
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 4: I mean I think you can say, you know, does it?

1403
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 4: Do I find it as interesting and fun as the

1404
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 4: men's side of the game?

1405
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: Is it? You know?

1406
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: I do?

1407
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 4: I can I necessarily say that that's the thing that

1408
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: I love just as much. I've said on this podcast,

1409
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily find women's boxing as interesting as the

1410
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 4: men's side. And there's lots of reasons for that, there's

1411
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 4: not as many. They don't get the same opportuity.

1412
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: And that's not what he's saying. He's not saying I

1413
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 3: don't want to watch women's basketball because it's not exciting.

1414
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: He's saying, I don't want to see two women hit

1415
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: each other. That's all I'm asking you about. You keep

1416
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: going around in circles. Fist it, Luke, fist.

1417
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: The question you ask me, what are you asking me

1418
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: to respond to?

1419
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: Is it okay for a grown man in twenty twenty

1420
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: one to say I don't think women should fight because

1421
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't like watching women get it.

1422
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: So when you say it's okay, what do you mean

1423
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: he should?

1424
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I think it's okay. I'm saying, sure,

1425
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: are we overblowing this? Should Stephen A. Smith, as a

1426
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: grown old man, be allowed to say I don't want

1427
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: to see women.

1428
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, be allowed, But what does this mean?

1429
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 3: This mean?

1430
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: See, this is the straw man behind the whole thing.

1431
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: Should he be allowed to say it? Dude?

1432
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: No one's calling for his job, No one's calling for

1433
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: him to be fined or suspended, No one's calling.

1434
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: For any of that. We're just saying Hey, boomer, you

1435
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: got a fucking stupid opinion about a sport you barely understand,

1436
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: and we're gonna rightly tell you about it. That's it.

1437
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 4: This is a dialogue. This is a back and forth.

1438
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 4: If you put it and this goes for me, it

1439
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 4: goes for you, it goes for anybody. If you put

1440
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: opinions out into the world, the world has a right

1441
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: to do what it wants with it, whether you like

1442
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: it or not. And so you know, listen, does he

1443
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: have a right to believe that?

1444
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: Sure?

1445
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he should be suspended or fined. Doesn't

1446
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 4: even make him necessarily a bad person. It doesn't mean

1447
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 4: he has dumb ideas about combat sports.

1448
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: That's what it means, all right.

1449
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 3: I was just trying to get your take on that, Luke.

1450
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: All right, party my take.

1451
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: Okay, pardon your take.

1452
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: You're raging a hole. You know what, Luke, You're dead

1453
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: wrong too often. Let's create a segment where we go

1454
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 3: back on the record, Luke and find out did you

1455
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 3: say home? Did you say well, okay, your mother effort?

1456
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 3: It's dead wrong time.

1457
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: We let's see if these are actually wrong. Sometimes they are.

1458
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes they are where.

1459
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 3: We take a willing l for the sake of accuracy

1460
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: and humility. Here we go during the most recent Room

1461
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: Service Diaries episode or home service if you're in Braziliya.

1462
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: The caption says Luke and Brian are back for another

1463
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 3: episode of Room Service Diaries. The guys go tip to

1464
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: tip and answer all your questions. But this viewer is saying, hey,

1465
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 3: mk hey, mother efforts, Hey Mikey Mormile. The producer who

1466
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 3: wrote this sub ed you Jomokes only answered two fan

1467
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 3: questions before that show went completely off the rails. So Luke,

1468
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: are we dead wrong for false advertising heroes? This just

1469
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: bs waste of time semantics a little bit.

1470
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 4: I think we are a little bit, yeah, because we

1471
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 4: did promise them we'd answer, but then the questions were like, uh,

1472
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 4: is adasign you know the fifth best middleweight if you

1473
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 4: really consider the rankings. I mean it's like, can we

1474
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: ask a question about porn or music or about beer?

1475
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: Can we do something fun? Plea?

1476
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 4: That's the whole idea. The spirit of the question should

1477
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: be the questions should be a little bit off the

1478
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 4: wall to match the spirit of the pot. Like we

1479
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: don't go on Room Service Diaries to talk about who

1480
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 4: our favorite flyweight is outside.

1481
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: Of the UFC. I mean, who gives a shit, it's

1482
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: not the point.

1483
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, when we get together in the havela

1484
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: for the home service diaries, it's gonna go off the

1485
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: haves pretty quick, well off the head.

1486
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: But but but he is right or she or he

1487
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: is right.

1488
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 4: We did promise that, so maybe we should tailor the

1489
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Speaker 4: promise the next time out to make it clear about.

1490
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: What we're looking for.

1491
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have a name. Not sure if he

1492
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 3: identifies as he or him. But uh Luke also, I

1493
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 3: was dead wrong. Apparently on the Monday January second show

1494
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one, even though it says two here,

1495
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: Luke and BC mentioned how Overreim if he wins against Volkov,

1496
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: could potentially fight Curtis Blades again or rematch Derek Lewis.

1497
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, guys, Overream and Lewis have never fought before,

1498
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: so if they fought, it would not be a rematch. Luke,

1499
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: this is a call out to something I said, So

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01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get Luke thomasy in on them. I didn't

1501
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: go back and rewatch this, so maybe it was taken

1502
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 3: out of context, but I believe I was saying could

1503
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 3: potentially fight Curtis Blades again in a rematch, or Derek Lewis,

1504
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: all right, who cares?

1505
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: That's not that big a deal.

1506
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we doing here? What do we waste?

1507
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 3: We can be talking about the Paul's What are we

1508
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: doing here? Luke? There's a person after you? Okay, the

1509
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 3: gentleman doing the farmer's carry on the streets in the

1510
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: Have you seen the shit video? Is actually in the UK,

1511
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 3: not New York City as you assumed, possibly somewhere in London.

1512
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 3: This is due to the pavement markings signaling no loading

1513
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: in the UK. Plus Content Bible is a UK based

1514
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 3: Instagram page, Luke. Those trash bags do not belong on

1515
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: this soil a hole.

1516
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: This is in London, not NYC.

1517
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: But they can't have shirtless black guys in England, Luke,

1518
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: I mean, come on.

1519
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: They got plenty. But you're right. I didn't realize that

1520
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: London had the same trash problem as New York City.

1521
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't step step your game up, London? Okay? One more?

1522
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: Two more here, look, maybe even three? Here we go

1523
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 3: Tupac dying. I brought up Bruce Selden's on Isaiah who

1524
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 3: lost on the PBC Undercar to Joey Spencer. Last week,

1525
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 3: Brian Campbell said that Tupac was killed the night of

1526
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: Bruce Selden versus Mike Tyson in nineteen ninety five, but

1527
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: in fact Tupac survived six more days in the hospital

1528
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: before inevitably getting the invite to Thug's mansion. Yeah, I

1529
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 3: will take the dead wrong. If I said he was

1530
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: killed that night, I meant that he was shot that

1531
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 3: set up to kill Luke. When we talk about thirty

1532
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 3: days of showtime, there's some gems there. Have you seen

1533
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 3: that Shug Knight documentary on there?

1534
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 2: No, you know what I've been You need to watch. No,

1535
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: I've not though, I'm behind, I'm behind.

1536
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: They go back to the scene of the crime. He's

1537
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 3: all kinds of liquored up. He's retelling the story. He

1538
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: has to pause and throw up on the street. I mean,

1539
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: it's wild. It's an interesting walk through Shug's mind. But

1540
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 3: they get into that a lot.

1541
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: I was dead wrong.

1542
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 3: I will take that look at always, seeing though the

1543
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: security footage inside the MGM grant of Tupac running out

1544
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 3: after punching something. It's always wild. Man, that's a wild night,

1545
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 3: you know, where were you on that night?

1546
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: Do you remember? You must have been in high school

1547
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: like me.

1548
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had the illegal black box, so I was

1549
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 3: no question watching a Mike Tyson pay per view with

1550
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: my dad. That's like the only time we connected on

1551
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: sports was through Mike Tyson on the free pay per

1552
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 3: view bucks.

1553
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: My dad doesn't even like, doesn't even like that shit,

1554
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: yeah unless I My dad one time invited me to

1555
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 4: a my dad's like a eighty but this was like

1556
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 4: five years ago. He's like, would you like to come

1557
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 4: with me to a lecture about Aristotelian ethics at this

1558
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 4: local university? And I'm like, is this the only way

1559
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 4: we're going to talk? I went it was okay, it

1560
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 4: wasn't that bad, but I was like, geez see.

1561
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: My dad would have been like, do you want to

1562
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 3: go to seven to eleven?

1563
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 2: Okay?

1564
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: That seriously that's what would have happened.

1565
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about it, bro, That's about all we got.

1566
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 3: Uh, Luke, let's talk some stepe here. I hope you're

1567
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: doing well. The message says I wanted to take this

1568
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: opportunity to highlight what I'm sure was just a misspeak

1569
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: by Luke when he asked added Stepe's name to the

1570
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: list of people who finished Alistair on the feet Stepe,

1571
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 3: of course Luke, after tapping out, took Alistair down and

1572
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: chaoed him with the g NP.

1573
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 2: William, Okay, so that's true. That's true.

1574
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 4: I think what got me on that one though, is

1575
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. See how the position here

1576
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 4: is where he's on his actual feet, Like when I

1577
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 4: think of ground and pound, and this is not this

1578
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 4: is not correct. But in my mind, when I think

1579
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 4: of ground pound, I think about having at least one

1580
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 4: knee down. But you know, if you think about it, Miocic,

1581
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 4: I believe I could be wrong about this, but I

1582
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 4: believe Realise was on his feet, just bit over at

1583
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 4: the waist punching, and so that confused me into thinking that, like, that's.

1584
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: Not ground and pound.

1585
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: But he's right, that would actual be a ground finish

1586
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 4: because the other person is flat on the mat like that. Yeah,

1587
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: I mean, go back, go back to that last shot.

1588
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: You may have had a knee down, in which case

1589
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 4: it is not even relevant.

1590
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: Right, you can get laid standing up. It's grammatically correct.

1591
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: I think.

1592
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 4: I think, I think, yeah, I couldn't remember if you

1593
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: had the knee down or not. Let's assume for a

1594
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 4: second argument he didn't. That's what I was thinking of.

1595
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 4: But in this case it looks like you may have anyway,

1596
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: So dead wrong. That's fine, dead wrong.

1597
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 2: There we go.

1598
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: Speaking of grammar, I got grammar hammered here, Luke uh pc.

1599
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: Several times this week you said the phrase in the

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: ethos uh ethos being a set of values or beliefs

1601
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 3: to describe a sentiment or a concept. The phrase your

1602
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: factory town's stunted brain was scrounging around for is in

1603
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: fact in the ether, as in yes, as in the

1604
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: third ingrediator in your Cumberland farms hot. That's a good one.

1605
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: Take that.

1606
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: I'll take that. Hell, that's a good one.

1607
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: The same same, that's a good one. That's see. That's

1608
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: what this That's what this segment should be. It should

1609
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: be shipped like that. That was good. Yes.

1610
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: When I put it out into the ethos, I should eat, eat,

1611
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: drink more ether. All right, Luke, check your ethernet. Here

1612
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: we go. It's tip on tip time. Who let's close

1613
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: the show with a bang. Every Friday we give you

1614
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: recommendation something you should buy, watch, maybe a bit of

1615
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: advice to somebody, Luke, would you show me mine so

1616
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: then I could show you years.

1617
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about tips.

1618
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: Show me your tip.

1619
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I know that one. Yes, Uh okay.

1620
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 4: So I will tweet this out once the show is over,

1621
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 4: so you can give me a follow at L Thomas

1622
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 4: News on Twitter. I read this article. I like giving

1623
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 4: reading recommendations because I find them to be very helpful.

1624
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 4: I will tell you where it's at. It's from a

1625
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 4: place called The Cut, So the Cut is a I

1626
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 4: guess it's a news magazine. They have an article called

1627
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 4: and again. I will tweet this out, but you can

1628
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 4: google it. I'll show it on my scrud my phone here.

1629
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 4: Big goals can backfire. Olympians show us what to focus

1630
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 4: on instead. I'll put it on my thing. I don't

1631
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 4: know if you can tell or not. If it's visible,

1632
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 4: Get back up a little bit so you can see here.

1633
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: It's still washed out. You can't see shit, at least

1634
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: not on the thing I'm looking at. But that's the front.

1635
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: I guess.

1636
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 4: I guess New York magazine, but the Cut is a

1637
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 4: part of it. Anyways, these researchers did some studies. I

1638
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 4: will simplify it and make it as easy as possible

1639
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: to understand. What they basically said was if you focus

1640
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,480
Speaker 4: on some kind of big goal and you over dramatize

1641
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: that that is the thing you have to do and

1642
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 4: only do, there's a decent chance you won't get it done,

1643
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: or even if you do, you'll be unfulfilled. You remember

1644
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 4: Tyson Fury BC after he won the world title, felt

1645
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 4: depressed and unfulfilled.

1646
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: And didn't know where he was going anymore. This article

1647
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: talks about why that's the case.

1648
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 4: It's because if you just have this big goal in

1649
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 4: mind as the way that you have to live your life,

1650
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 4: once you've done it, there's nothing left for you. You

1651
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 4: feel this immediate sense of emptiness. Marathon runners apparently get

1652
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: this pretty frequently at times. What they said was they

1653
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 4: had found that there are a lot of Olympians that

1654
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 4: understand the idea better. Yes, if you want to run

1655
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 4: a marathon or win a world title, or whatever your

1656
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 4: goal may BEBC get a promotion at work. You set

1657
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 4: the goal up as where you want to go, but

1658
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 4: then you let it go in your mind and then

1659
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 4: what you focus in on is the day to day,

1660
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 4: moment to moment piece by piece process, and there's two

1661
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 4: different kinds of getting involved with the process there. I'll

1662
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: leave that for the article, but they said, overwhelming evidence

1663
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 4: shows yes, you want to have goal setting, but you

1664
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 4: don't want to just do you know, every day, get

1665
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 4: up and hate your life and go through with the

1666
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 4: goal and you may reach it. It won't you won't

1667
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 4: get out of this experience what you think you want.

1668
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 4: Set a realistic goal and then forget about it and

1669
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: then focus in on falling in love with the day

1670
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 4: to day work that gets you there self improvement incrementally,

1671
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: that you that you that you can master over time

1672
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 4: by doing the application of what you're supposed to be

1673
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 4: doing every single every single day. Make that your actual focus,

1674
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 4: and which you'll see is that one you'll get better

1675
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 4: long term results and two, once you get them, you'll

1676
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 4: be much more fulfilled as a person and able to

1677
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: reset that goal to go for the next stage and

1678
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 4: the next stage in the next stage.

1679
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: It was really eliminating.

1680
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 4: The research is super interesting. There's much more to it

1681
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 4: that I'm dramatically oversimplifying it, but I've found that to be,

1682
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 4: you know, really interesting. It doesn't matter if you're like

1683
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 4: USBC and you're on a weight loss journey. It doesn't

1684
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 4: matter if you're in martial arts and you're on a

1685
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 4: I want to get promoted to the next belt journey.

1686
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 4: It doesn't it doesn't matter. Whatever it is, there's a

1687
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 4: right way, or at least I should say, a better

1688
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 4: way to do things. This seemed really important and prescient.

1689
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I will share it with you literally

1690
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: right now.

1691
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: I would love This is brilliant. I think this is

1692
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 3: super important. This is what putting the focus back on

1693
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 3: the journey than the destination in a lot of ways

1694
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 3: and how we navigate life. And it's so frigging true.

1695
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: It's why, you know, finally sport like sports psychology is

1696
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 3: becoming such an important thing for elite athletes obviously, how

1697
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, thanks to a guy like mau Ronalo with

1698
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: the Showtime Bipolar Rock and Roller documentary, we're being much

1699
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 3: more open about our mental health journey. Luke for quick,

1700
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: just to just to point out why this is so true.

1701
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 3: So I was at ESPN for almost twelve years, but

1702
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 3: the last four to five years, specifically Luke, I was

1703
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 3: getting opportunities to be on TV, to host podcast, to

1704
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 3: write stories, to cover fights and the experience was incredible,

1705
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 3: but I was constantly passed over for promotions, underpaid, you know,

1706
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: And Luke at that is a thing that can fuel you, right, Luke,

1707
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 3: I was fueled to the gills renting a house I

1708
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 3: couldn't afford, trying to put food on the table for

1709
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 3: wife and kids on a very small salary in comparison

1710
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 3: to what I felt I was bringing to the table, right, Luke.

1711
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 3: So this all culminates into me working harder, harder, harder, harder,

1712
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 3: taking on opportunities that would you know, grow your brand

1713
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and attacking them. And Luke, that

1714
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 3: fuel is I mean a lot of that fuel is

1715
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 3: fueled Connor McGregor's rise.

1716
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: Right.

1717
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 3: That fuel is addictive, It's insane. But you better make

1718
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 3: sure of a few things that you're doing it for

1719
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 3: the right reasons, and that you love the journey, your craft,

1720
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: you love what you're getting there. Because you know what happened,

1721
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: I'll be really honest. I get signed by CBS Sports

1722
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. Great job, first time I'm officially full

1723
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: time you know, writer, an on camera guy, getting paid

1724
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 3: well and all that, Luke. That first year, I was

1725
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 3: depressed as hell. And it was like an eye opening,

1726
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 3: like I work so hard to get here, and it's

1727
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: not like here sucks, but like, what do I do now?

1728
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: What do I do here? And maybe it's because I

1729
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 3: was working from home full time for the first time

1730
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 3: in my life after being in an office for you know,

1731
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 3: so many years, and that was sort of a hard

1732
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 3: balance to juggle and it was a tough winner all

1733
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 3: that stuff. But uh, Luke, that really woke me up

1734
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 3: to it to be to an awakening on a few things.

1735
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I've pivoted and certainly found new goals

1736
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: and I'm really, you know, in a great place now.

1737
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 3: But you do have to watch that, Luke, because you

1738
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 3: get there. And the Tyson Fury comparison is very apt.

1739
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: You know. I was just trying to give.

1740
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 4: People a reason, like, you know, oh, you won all

1741
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 4: these world titles, you beat Klitchko, you should be on

1742
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 4: top of the world. But if you've lived your life

1743
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: in a way where you're trying to get someplace and

1744
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: then you get there and there's no more meaning to

1745
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 4: what you're doing, it'll send you into a tail spin.

1746
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 4: I understand that much better than I ever did before.

1747
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 4: And to your point, like every time. If I look

1748
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 4: back on my career BC, I've made so much progress

1749
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 4: to get to the point that we're at now, and

1750
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 4: I'm very grateful for it. But You're right, there's been

1751
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 4: times where I've been so focused on like I need this,

1752
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 4: and then they get there and I'm like, this doesn't

1753
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 4: feel the way that I thought it would.

1754
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: Forget all that, Forget all that.

1755
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 4: The process is, you know, develop more sources, learn more

1756
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 4: about the sport, write more, create more, and over time,

1757
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 4: if you fall in love with that. I often say, like,

1758
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 4: you know, if you just fall in love with it,

1759
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 4: how many times you know folks BC who are like,

1760
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 4: and this is a little bit more about burnout than

1761
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 4: anything else, but they just love the storylines and blah

1762
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, and then they.

1763
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 2: Get tired of them and they move on to the

1764
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 2: next thing. They don't really want to go back to me.

1765
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 4: If you want to have a sustained relationship with comb sports,

1766
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 4: you gotta fall in love with the fighting itself. You

1767
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 4: could enjoy the other stuff too. You could enjoy the

1768
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 4: press conferences and the craziness that is part of it.

1769
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 4: There's no denying it. Of course that is true, But

1770
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 4: on some level. Man, you got to still have a

1771
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 4: fire in your heart and your belly for just watching

1772
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: two elite you know, men or women, whatever the case,

1773
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 4: go out there and really put it on the line

1774
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 4: in this very dangerous yet brilliant and beautiful spectacle. And

1775
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: to me, that's getting to the science of it. To others,

1776
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 4: they don't, they don't have quite the same appetite. But

1777
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 4: that relationship, that one to one relationship that is sustaining,

1778
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 4: you can do that over time. And I think for me,

1779
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 4: you know, learning about the tricks of the trade the

1780
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 4: best that I can and blah blah blah, those are

1781
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 4: the kinds of things that will just get me to

1782
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 4: where I want to go rather than like I need,

1783
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: you know, I need blah bla blah blah blah. Like

1784
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 4: for us BC, we're trying to get to one hundred

1785
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 4: thousand subs. But if we just focus on that and

1786
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: not about the individual, this video needs to be right

1787
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 4: and let's let's work on this. Let's work on our

1788
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 4: content strategy, let's get everything p's and ques. It will

1789
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 4: fill unfulfilling once we get there.

1790
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 3: So well, it's also about you know, shifting your priorities

1791
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 3: just to close on this because you know, we always

1792
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 3: talk about sometimes Luke, not making your job or your

1793
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 3: passion your identity. You know what I mean?

1794
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: And what you know?

1795
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 3: If you lost your job tomorrow, would you would you

1796
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: spiral down into a deep depression because so much of

1797
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 3: who you are in your own mind is your platform

1798
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 3: form and your followers and your success. You do have

1799
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 3: to check yourself no matter what line of work or

1800
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 3: whatever you're doing in that where you know, am I

1801
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 3: chasing the thrill of affirmation, the thrill of the paycheck,

1802
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 3: the thrill of the of the exposure and all that,

1803
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: Or am I just doing this because I love it? Right?

1804
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: You know?

1805
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: Am I? Okay? If this ends tomorrow, it's it's It's

1806
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 3: just a good conversation to have. I'm glad you brought

1807
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 3: that up, Luke. Good tip right there. I'm gonna check

1808
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 3: that out, Luke. My tip of the week. I want

1809
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 3: to shout out the great people at Fire Department Coffee.

1810
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 3: It's a company out of Illinois. They came on my

1811
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 3: radar because steep A meo Chich right now has his

1812
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: own distinct flavor here. It's called steep A Meochich Extra Strength. Luke.

1813
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 3: They sent me a bag the FDC, the Fire Department

1814
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: Coffee Company. This means a lot to me now because

1815
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: I'm a steep A superfan, although I've got a lot

1816
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 3: of respect for that guy and what he does in

1817
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: his free time. But my dad's are retired twenty five

1818
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 3: year vet in a fire department. His brother, my uncle,

1819
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 3: was a captain in the same department. So many of

1820
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 3: the kids I grew up with in the neighborhood or

1821
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: went to school with their dads worked for the same force.

1822
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 3: Love what they bring to the table. And this is

1823
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: a company that was founded by ex firemen, right every

1824
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: from the guys who picked the beans all the way up.

1825
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 3: So I want to support what they're doing. This is

1826
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 3: the two times the strength Extra Strength steep A brand.

1827
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 3: I've been able to sample it and Luke, it is

1828
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: twice the strength. Get ready, bro, you want to clean

1829
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: out that garage, all right? Start hanging around with Uncle

1830
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 3: steep A. Love what they're doing over there at the FDC.

1831
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 3: I want to pick up some merch myself to help

1832
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: him share that. You know, got a lot of love

1833
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 3: for the men that risk their lives like that. It's

1834
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 3: been great for my family, So thanks for steep a

1835
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 3: representing that it's a good product, doesn't taste bad either.

1836
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: It'll get you through the indeed, all right, very good stuff, all.

1837
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: Right, Luke.

1838
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: That is our Friday show. Should be fun this weekend.

1839
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 3: Whether you're more into page knuckling up tonight, little Conseko,

1840
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: little UFC Fight Night, or whether you're uh, I don't know, Luke,

1841
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing, but hopefully you enjoy it.

1842
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: Hopefully you can enjoy thirty days of Showtime. If you

1843
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: want to check out some great stuff that we talked about,

1844
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 3: the documentary series Action, whether you're a Billions fan, whether

1845
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: you like boxing a lot of great stuff worth your

1846
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 3: time right there, Showtime dot com. Try it right, all right?

1847
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you gonna do? Just freaking try

1848
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: it right?

1849
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: I mean, is it too good for you? You too

1850
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: good for it? Well?

1851
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 3: You can you know you can't wait, you can't download

1852
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 3: the Showtime app.

1853
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: All right.

1854
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 3: It's a label that pays me. Just try it, mother reffer. Also, Luke,

1855
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 3: we've got merch. As we mentioned, please go to a

1856
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 3: store dot show dot com, put on a hat, put

1857
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: on a sweatshirt. There are some rumors, Luke two point

1858
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: zero is on upon us. It's Luke like you can

1859
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: hear the rumblings in the distance. You can put your

1860
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: ear to the ground, Luke, the squirrels, the raccoons, they

1861
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: already know, they can feel it. The seasons are about

1862
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: to change. Are you ready for this? Luke donk army.

1863
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 3: All right, A lot of fun stuff coming our way

1864
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 3: that you can support us at. So please do that,

1865
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 3: like and subscribe on the video and socially, please follow

1866
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 3: what we're doing there at Morning Combat on Twitter and Instagram.

1867
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: Luke and I have our own channels, as you can

1868
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: see a little bit different between the two apps. Luke

1869
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 3: Thomas News, I don't see you breaking any news.

1870
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: No, that's a stupid name, but I'm stuck with it, all.

1871
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: Right, all right, all right, dance with who you who

1872
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: brung you here? Or something like that, Luke, do you

1873
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: mind if we dance with your dates? Yes?

1874
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 2: Indeed?

1875
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 3: All right? Uh, Luke Thomas, do you have anything a

1876
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 3: message to the people?

1877
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: Anything? No? No, you know, enjoy the fights tomorrow and yeah,

1878
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes, all right.

1879
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 3: Submit your questions by the way for dead wrongs for

1880
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 3: Wednesday fans. Submissions to Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

1881
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: Uh the Morning Combat two point zero doncumentary the Yes,

1882
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 3: it's a good one. It's still in production. I'm getting daily,

1883
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 3: sometimes hourly updates from the fine folks there. Shout out

1884
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 3: to less than Jake the documentarian, Luke, we could be

1885
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: a weak issue away it's coming and people are really

1886
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 3: gonna enjoy again going inside, getting your hands dirty, seeing

1887
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 3: how this sausage. Yeah, it's not pretty, seeing how this sausage?

1888
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: How something It's hard, goddamn walk making something this gross,

1889
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: look this pity, Luke. Okay, nineties reference counter, thank you.

1890
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 3: But sometimes I feel like I'm alone. Luke in like

1891
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: a nineties Ethos and I'm the only one listening to

1892
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 3: my own jokes. And yeah, yes, all right, this is

1893
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: a great marriage for Luke Thomas. My name is Brian Campbell,

1894
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 3: your host. Let's keep them oyal brothers, all right, May

1895
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 3: all your ex lovers stay satisfied. With two words for

1896
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 3: the people we out