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Speaker 1: and a Monday. Lots and lots to die, Jeff wherever

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Speaker 1: and however you're watching tuning in today, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback eighteen years in the league. Five minutes out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about Denver, but they

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Speaker 1: make a lot of big plays in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what to say about the Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: but they play really well in the fourth quarter. And

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Speaker 1: both Denver and Chicago led by a very young quarterback

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Speaker 1: that's a bit uneven, but there is a absolute truth

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Speaker 1: in Caleb's not taking many sacks and Bonix isn't either,

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Speaker 1: And you play in front of the sticks and you've

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Speaker 1: got a pretty good defense behind you. Y'all win a

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Speaker 1: lot of close games in the NFL. Here we go, Colin, right,

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Speaker 1: Colin wrong and a Monday where Colin was right. The

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons trade. Yes, it was good for green Bay,

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Speaker 1: but I kept preaching it's also great for Dallas. They

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Speaker 1: were an atrocious run defense, and by picking up Kenny

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Speaker 1: Clark and Quinn Williams, Dallas now has a much more

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Speaker 1: complete defense and is still number two in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And quarterback pressures, sometimes do you have to trade really

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Speaker 1: good players. You know, Lakers let go of a d

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Speaker 1: and Lakers got Luca, I don't know, worked out pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I like Micah. He was a better fit for a

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Speaker 1: better complete roster in Green Bay than Dallas re signing him,

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Speaker 1: and I think both points have been proven.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong, I thought.

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin would stay at Old Miss through the playoffs

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Speaker 1: or go pro because the LSU job is really political.

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Speaker 1: The governor stepped in. You know, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: about the pressure. Lane Kiffin's fine with pressure, but and yes,

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Speaker 1: LSU is a better job. But I just thought it

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Speaker 1: was so messy that Lane would probably say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish this out. And I wouldn't even have

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Speaker 1: been surprised after Old Miss he would have taken himself

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Speaker 1: off the board if they finished number two or three

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Speaker 1: in the country, done TV per a year and waited

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Speaker 1: for the perfect job. I mean, there's a great college

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Speaker 1: football job or three available every year.

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Speaker 2: So I was wrong where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think Aaron Rodgers should have gone to the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and I think he looks like a beaten man. This

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Speaker 1: and you can blame Aaron all you want, but they

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Speaker 1: cannot figure out how to run the football. What is

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Speaker 1: this the seventh or eighth straight year, So this is

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Speaker 1: an organization that can't figure out offense. And I thought

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Speaker 1: Aaron should have gone to the Vikings or retired or

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Speaker 1: be a broadcaster. I think all three would have been

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Speaker 1: better than Pittsburgh. But it looks like we said it

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Speaker 1: would look like where Colin was wrong. Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 1: six and six probably not a playoff team. They feel disjointed.

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Speaker 1: Dallas was the better team. The O line remains mid,

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Speaker 1: the run game remains mid or less. I figured Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and Mahomes would figure it out. Houston next, and

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Speaker 1: the Texans defense is a complete handful. Just not the

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Speaker 1: year for Kansas City I remain loyal. I was wrong

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right. Ohio State did everything we said

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Speaker 1: Michigan was held to one hundred and sixty three yards.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State had three times that they held Michigan to

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Speaker 1: When the Lions lost Ben Johnson, I said, do not

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Speaker 1: forty five all last year. They are not personnel's the same.

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Speaker 1: The results are not. Where Colin was wrong the Colts.

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Speaker 1: The Sauce Gardner trade brilliant. I thought, now he's hurt

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Speaker 1: twenty or fewer points in their four losses. You know,

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Speaker 1: And I was wrong where Colin was right. I said,

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Speaker 1: when saban left getting Kaylin de Boor, that's as good

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Speaker 1: has made the playoffs. Yes, Alabama's not as dominant as

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Speaker 1: Bama doesn't look like Bama used to. Where Colin was right,

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Speaker 1: I didn't buy Texas A and M all season. They

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Speaker 1: got a scheduling quirt. They didn't have to play Bama, Georgia, Ole,

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Speaker 1: Texas beat them, dominated the second half. Arch Manning was strong.

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Speaker 1: They're not even gonna play in the SEC Championship. I

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Speaker 1: thought they were good, but if you're ranked top three,

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Speaker 1: Here's a bitter Mike Elko after the loss of the Horns.

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Speaker 1: We didn't play the way we needed to. Can we

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Speaker 1: close the door and run a professional press conference? Please?

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Speaker 1: The door was closed the Texas A and M winning

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Speaker 1: a natty Colin right, Colin wrong. Let's bring on Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselback eighteen years in the NFL. Love him on a Monday.

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Speaker 1: I've rolled my eyes at Jerry Jones a lot. I'm

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Speaker 1: just writing an apology letter to him. I watched that game, Matt,

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Speaker 1: that's a real defense. I mean, you can't run on him. Now.

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Speaker 1: To Marvin Overshown, I mean they knew it. They were

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Speaker 1: high pick. I don't know. I look at Dallas right now,

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Speaker 1: top ten team in the league. Top ten.

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Speaker 3: Listen, they're trying to be top seven in the NFC

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Speaker 3: so they can make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the things you've seen.

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Speaker 3: With Dallas the last few years is scheme fit with

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Speaker 3: then Mike Zimmer was the decordinator. And when you have

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Speaker 3: all these like different turnovers, three different coordinators in such

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Speaker 3: and you got to be sure that they're cool with it.

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Speaker 3: Like dan Quinn was all about turnovers, all about get

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Speaker 3: the ball trained up by Pete Carroll. Hey, corners, if

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Speaker 3: you want to jump, route, jump or route like, will

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Speaker 3: they hit us for a couple big plays, sure, but

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Speaker 3: we might score on defense, Like that was the mindset

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Speaker 3: that they have, and every defensive coordinator has a different mindset.

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Speaker 3: Some guys are stopped to run first no matter what.

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Speaker 3: Some guys are rushed the passer and stop the run

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Speaker 3: think you're right you oh Jerry Jones, and apology because

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Speaker 5: And here we are.

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Speaker 3: They're playing great football, especially on offense. I would love

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Speaker 3: to see some more turnovers from the defense though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the NFC playoffs. We're showing our

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Speaker 1: Green Bay has fixed their offense. Yeah, I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good enough at math to figure out that

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Speaker 3: that tie scenario. But like it's funny when the tie happened,

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Speaker 3: everyone rolled.

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Speaker 5: Their eyes like, oh, it's a tie.

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Speaker 3: Now it could come to really help a team like

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I got a text last week and somebody said, oh, hasshole.

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Speaker 1: Beck's gonna have to say it's something nice about the

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Speaker 1: different going to Philly in winning like that. That's that's

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Speaker 1: one of those games you could control and lose. I

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Speaker 5: Listen, I love the Bears. I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sold on the quarterback. That's

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Speaker 3: where my hesitation is. And that doesn't mean that I'm

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Speaker 3: saying no on him. Listen, the Bears are awesome. I've

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Speaker 3: been saying Ryan Pohl's unbelievable job. You got Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: even better, probably coach of the year. What they've done

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Speaker 3: upfront in the trenches is impressive. I mean, running the

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Speaker 3: ball looks like Walter Payton and Matt Suey out there,

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Speaker 3: like just slicing and dice in.

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Speaker 5: These guys upfront, they've won it. And listen, December football,

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Speaker 5: it comes.

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Speaker 3: Down to elements bad weather, like can you plick take

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Speaker 5: The Bears are built to do that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I also said they hadn't played anybody. Let's see how

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Speaker 3: they do against Philly, how they do. Against Philly, they

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Speaker 3: ran for like two hundred and something yards. Guess what,

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Speaker 3: that's not an anomaly for them. They rush for two

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Speaker 3: hundred yards like it seems like all months. They're fine,

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Speaker 3: They're good. Here's my thing. Their quarterback has to be

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Speaker 3: better with accuracy, better with ball placement, Like that's the

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Speaker 3: next step for him. Last year I said, you need

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Speaker 3: to take less sacks.

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Speaker 5: Any better body language.

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Speaker 3: I need you to be a better leader and kind

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Speaker 3: of protect the team. He's done all those things, like,

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Speaker 3: hats off to him and hats off to Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: But again, the schedule will get tougher. Do I think

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Speaker 3: they'll be the one seed at the end of this No,

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Speaker 3: I don't do. I think they're a really good team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do so. I keep hearing this about the

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Speaker 1: Bears in Denver. Well, how good are they? Well? I

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Speaker 1: watched Denver last night. First of all, players know when

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Speaker 1: you're facing a great team. Washington's on a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They're not a great team. Denver's got much better personnel.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm not supposed to be. Denver's defense didn't

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Speaker 1: play particularly well, but he did the Rams yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how good Denver is but winning these games

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Speaker 1: the way they keep winning them the same way. Like

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton said, we didn't escape with a win, we won.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, as a former three time Pro

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Speaker 3: It's fun, Colin. It's fun when you're healthy. It's fun

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Speaker 3: But when it's cold and you're banged up and you're old, it's.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and Steve Sarkesan Last Hour. You know, nobody

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Speaker 1: when they expanded the playoff to twelve teams, everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 7: I can tell you very excited for the college football discussion.

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Speaker 7: We'll do that in a second, but we got to

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Speaker 7: and that's your boy, Pooka.

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Speaker 1: Nakua go up and get it.

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Speaker 7: Look at this one handed grab against the Panthers, I

436
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Speaker 7: mean the colin that is phenomenal. This guy's doing some

437
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Speaker 7: crazy stuff. Now, if you watch it closely. Pooka goes

438
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Speaker 7: up with the right hand and just snares it. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm unbelievable. Now, there were a couple other incredible catches

440
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Speaker 7: in the NFL yesterday. This seems to be the clubhouse

441
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Speaker 7: leader for catch of the year. Puka did, of course,

442
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Speaker 7: watch as Stafford through a pick six. The Rams did lose.

443
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Speaker 7: It was a weird loss for the Rams because their

444
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Speaker 7: offense was incredible.

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Speaker 2: Colin, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, like Denver's defense last night and

447
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Speaker 1: the Rams defense yesterday, it's hard to get guys to

448
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Speaker 1: answer the bell seventeen weeks. Offense is different if you

449
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Speaker 1: have a great quarterback and you separate with your receivers

450
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Speaker 1: Puka and Davonte. It's hard to stop smart offensive coaches

451
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Speaker 1: and quarterbacks in this league. But defense is about effort

452
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Speaker 1: and explosion and brute force. It's hard to get a

453
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Speaker 1: great performance every week.

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young cooked him on.

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Speaker 7: He had two incredible fourth down touchdown passes. Yes, the

456
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Speaker 7: funniest thing I heard was Bryce Young is selectively elite. Okay,

457
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Speaker 7: go up against the Saints at home, He's garbage. Go

458
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Speaker 7: up against the Rams or Packers. It's like, oh Man,

459
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Speaker 7: Bryce Young could make some passes. Colin, I know it's

460
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Speaker 7: a deeper discussion. I keep going back and forth.

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Speaker 2: What do you do with him in the offing it?

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is why you get paid the big bucks.

463
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Speaker 1: He's inconsistent, but there's no disputing this. Carolina is a

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Speaker 1: real team.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: They've got a very good coach and Bryce about every

467
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Speaker 1: other game looks like this. Now you could argue young

468
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks like BONICKX or Caleber less consistent. I mean, it's just,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just it's hard to unsee that Niner

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Speaker 1: game where he just shrunk.

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Speaker 2: But I mean a Saints game, he was terrible.

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Speaker 7: I mean, like against the Saints, who are maybe the

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Speaker 7: second worst team in the league.

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Speaker 2: It ain't the Jets. I'll just say this about Bryce.

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Speaker 7: We saw what like, uh, Sam Darnold got like a

476
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Speaker 7: in the NBA they call it the fun Max, which is.

477
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of money but not max deal.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And then Baker Mayfield got it. And and you know,

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Speaker 7: I think one of those probably got to Bryce Young. Yeah, hey,

481
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Speaker 7: we're gonna keep him around for two more years. Canalis

482
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Speaker 7: very good coach. I mean they've won seven games this year, Colin,

483
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Speaker 7: they won seven the last two years combined. Yeah, okay,

484
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Speaker 7: Teed McMillan, your guy from Arizona showing wells, they're fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: all right, let's move on college football. Well, here we

486
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Speaker 7: go a lot of debate. Miami Hurricanes, they whooped up

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Speaker 7: on Pitts, So obviously, Honey Colin said, so, hey, that's

488
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Speaker 7: a great win over pit with those beautiful throwback unis

489
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Speaker 7: head coach Mario crystal Ball lobbying hard for his team

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Speaker 7: to get in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Everybody want to.

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Speaker 6: See how Miami would do in the cold weather on

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Speaker 6: the road against the top twenty five team, and I

494
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Speaker 6: think we answered those questions very clearly. So at the

495
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Speaker 6: end of the day, it's not only do we pass

496
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Speaker 6: the eye tests, we passed the field test, right, especially

497
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Speaker 6: as it relates to playing this brand of football down

498
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Speaker 6: the stretch. And it had to head competition versus others

499
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Speaker 6: that are being judged in the same little pool that

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Speaker 6: we are as well.

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Speaker 5: Plus we're getting healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah noah, So I watched this game and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was going to be close. And after this game

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Speaker 1: you do a little homerk. So think of this. Miami

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Speaker 1: won head to head.

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Speaker 2: Okay, time out, time out. That needs content.

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Speaker 1: Let me finish. Okay, it still matters. Even in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The number one tie breaker is head to head. Now,

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Speaker 1: September football doesn't mean as much in college or the

510
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Speaker 1: NFL that it did five years ago. September doesn't mean

511
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Speaker 1: what it used to do in college football. It's never

512
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Speaker 1: meant anything in the NFL. But head to head matters.

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Speaker 1: Miami won. They had four common opponents. In three of four,

514
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Speaker 1: Miami beat the team worse than Notre Dame did. Okay,

515
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Speaker 1: so in three or four Miami has the better total

516
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Speaker 1: defense and scoring defense. Miami has the better passing offense,

517
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Speaker 1: yards per game, total touchdowns. And I thought it was

518
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Speaker 1: a legitimate quote. I thought they would go here cold weather,

519
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Speaker 1: win and be ugly. They were great. So they blew

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Speaker 1: out North Carolina State thirty four, pit by thirty one,

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Speaker 1: Stanford by thirty five, Syracuse by twenty eight. I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, when this game was over, my take was, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got to be fair on head to head. You

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Speaker 1: got to contextualize it because it was in Miami. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes that's the reality of the schedule.

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Speaker 1: You don't get every game, big game at home. If

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Speaker 1: they did USC.

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Speaker 2: Would be a league.

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Speaker 1: Right Sometimes, I mean this year Texas A and M

530
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Speaker 1: doesn't play Bama, Georgia, Oklahoma or Old Miss. Schedules matter.

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Speaker 1: Miami got a break, they got notre Dame at home

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Speaker 1: I right now this morning. I mean, Miami would have

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Speaker 1: a right to be pissed, like, hey, we scheduled you,

534
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Speaker 1: so we know you and.

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Speaker 3: We beat you.

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Speaker 7: Okay, time out again context, you said September football, it matters,

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Speaker 7: We're not August football.

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Speaker 2: This game was August thirty. First skulling.

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Speaker 7: It was a first ever start, not and a rainstorm

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Speaker 7: on the league.

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Speaker 1: But it was August for both teams. Yes, and I won, right,

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Speaker 1: Okay at home? Great? What I mean again, that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's listen, Texas got Texas A and M in Austin.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that's the way it works. I mean it's very rare.

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Speaker 1: Like Ohio State lost at Oddson last year. Luckily they

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Speaker 1: got to play them again. But if they hadn't, people

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Speaker 1: would have said, well, Oregon's better. But that way they

548
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Speaker 1: played a second time, Ohio State beating by like forty.

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Speaker 7: But doesn't that show that the first meeting means nothing.

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Speaker 7: That first lost my High State and that nothing, No.

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Speaker 1: No, it didn't because it validated how good Oregon was

552
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Speaker 1: and Miami's win when you couple it with three wins,

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Speaker 1: they have common opponents. So so not only does Miami

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Speaker 1: have had the head. Okay, let's go to common opponents. No,

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Speaker 1: Miami wins that too, Well.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, by scoring margins.

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Speaker 7: So hey, you you beat South Florida by more than

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Speaker 7: Notre Dame or whatever the team is. What about the

559
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Speaker 7: losses you've conveniently ignored.

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Speaker 2: No losing to Louisville SMU.

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Speaker 8: And not even making the acci I said last week,

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Speaker 8: punitive losses are what kept Bama out last year when

563
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Speaker 8: they lost a bandy, because losing Oklahoma didn't kill Bama.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not denying it. The reason this is a

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Speaker 1: go either way argument are the ugly losses. But you

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Speaker 1: start stacking the arguments. So I mean, here, here's a

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Speaker 1: prime example. If I say, okay, what is the best

568
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Speaker 1: Miami win, they can say, well, we did beat Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Go to Notre Dame, and what is your best win?

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Speaker 7: Well we beat USC I guess, okay, okay, USC half

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Speaker 7: you want.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley fired, Okay, okay, So I think it is

573
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Speaker 1: a good win but Illinois beat Notre Dame and Oregon

574
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Speaker 1: hammered you, or the Illinois beat USC and and Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame hammered USC and Oregon hammered us. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I'm just saying, so I beat them head to head.

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Speaker 1: I have the quality win common opponents. I mean, at

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Speaker 1: some point we got to be fair about we can't

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Speaker 1: do like last week my take was I think Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame would win. Well, that's not the way it works

581
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You go tie break or common opponents

582
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Speaker 1: head to head. It's not fair for me to just go, well,

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Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame would win. I do.

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Speaker 7: Actually that's not fair, No, totally. Now here's where it

585
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Speaker 7: gets real crazy. What if Alabama beats Georgia. You can't

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Speaker 7: keep alabamaut of the place off right now, I don't

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Speaker 7: know if they're in.

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Speaker 2: But if Alabama beats Georgia and the.

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Speaker 7: SEC title, Bama's in and cayleb we.

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Speaker 2: Think they're in. Who are they in ahead of? Are

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Speaker 2: they definitely ahead.

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Speaker 1: Of not I am not anti Notre Dame. I love

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, but Notre Dame loves all the upside of independence.

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Speaker 1: I love being an independent well, Miami, they're in a conference,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes in a conference the schedule goes your way

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it doesn't. I mean, Ohio State would have

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Speaker 1: rather played in Columbus than ann Arbor. They were the

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Speaker 1: better team. I have to take out. I can't do

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Speaker 1: confirmation bias at some point, head to head, common opponents,

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Speaker 1: better defense, better pass game. And when I watched them

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Speaker 1: beat Pittsburgh, it's like they beat the holy hell out

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 7: Like any Miami fan that says conference, you just say

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Speaker 7: strength to schedule. Who had a tougher way and it's

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Speaker 7: Notre Dame by a mile. So it's a fun discussion.

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Speaker 7: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Final story.

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Speaker 7: Colin Lamarge accent boy, Hey listen, we tried to warn

609
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Speaker 7: you guys. Lamar is not the same guy he has

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Speaker 7: been and uh, I don't know. He looked so lost

611
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Speaker 7: against the Bengals. Yeah, the turnovers were anemic. He just

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Speaker 7: doesn't have the escapability now he's been back.

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Speaker 2: From injury for a while. Colin, I don't know. Here

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Speaker 2: he is talking.

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Speaker 7: About his struggles against the Bengals, who have one of

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Speaker 7: the worst defenses in the league.

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Speaker 4: Chick, you know it's not even frushing I'm just mad because,

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Speaker 4: like I said.

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Speaker 3: We can't have that.

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Speaker 4: It turned overs a big part of winning losing games

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Speaker 4: and turning the ball over giving them an extra possession.

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Speaker 7: This is the outcome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's gonna do with the Ravens. What

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Speaker 1: do you do with them?

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Speaker 2: Are they good? They're good, They're better than the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: But I will find out this week.

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Speaker 7: That's another game, which is like, you know, in a

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Speaker 7: game with in a week with seven incredible games, Raven

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Speaker 7: Steelers is like maybe fifth because these teams are not

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Speaker 7: really watchable.

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Speaker 1: Dude. They starting Thursday, Lions, Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: This is maybe the best football weekend of twenty twenty

633
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Speaker 7: five cause there's Thursday, then you get to play the

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Speaker 7: college football game Saturday and the Sunday slates off the hook.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's Lamar Jackson. We're showing our television audience this.

636
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's passer rating in his last three games is

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Speaker 1: sixty three, and that's falling off a cliff. And we

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Speaker 1: know the coach is good. I mean, it's just it's wild.

639
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Speaker 2: We can't say, like, hey, he doesn't have receivers.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Josh Allen is throwing to nobody's Okay, thanks fair,

641
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Speaker 7: this is this is not a great look for Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're right. Jmck with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the Miami Notre Dame thing is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the pit game and I'm like, man, that's impressive.

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Speaker 1: Then you start looking at all the numbers and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be fair on this. You gotta be fair

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Speaker 1: head to head now, it's gotta be something common. Opponents

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Speaker 1: have to be something. Well. Our schedule, Well, schedules are weird.

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Speaker 1: I mean half the time, like Texas has beaten three

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Speaker 1: teams that were ranked in the top ten when they

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Speaker 1: played him. So that's why I would have no problem

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Speaker 1: with Texas being in starks On next hour, It's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neon Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 7: Saturday on Fox, two iconic programs go head to head

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Speaker 7: in a huge Top fifteen showdown as freshman phenom Cameron

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Speaker 7: Boozer leads number four Duke against Tom Izzo's eleventh ranked

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Speaker 7: Michigan State squad. It all tapes off at eleven thirty

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Speaker 7: am Eastern only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Michigan State quietly hired Pat Fitzgerald, the

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Speaker 1: former Northwestern coach who won his lawsuit against the school.

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Speaker 1: So Fitzgerald is a very good football coach. Jonathan Smith

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Speaker 1: was released of his duties and Pat Fitzgerald comes in

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Speaker 1: very quietly. That's a really good hire. So you know,

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Speaker 1: another argument for the Miami Hurricanes Notre Dame. It's Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame's an independent, so they have more flexibility with their schedule.

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Speaker 1: Miami tried to schedule tough. They scheduled Florida, an SEZ team.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't their fault they beat them. That Florida was

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Speaker 1: a tire fire. They beat Florida State in conference when

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Speaker 1: they were three and one. Florida State now looks horrible,

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Speaker 1: they weren't when Miami played them. They also scheduled South

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Speaker 1: Florida and that's South Florida super Bowl. They beat them too.

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Speaker 1: So Miami's in a conference, they're limited on what they

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Speaker 1: can do with schedule. They scheduled Florida, that's an SEC team.

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Speaker 1: You can't blame them. Florida went Sideways and Notre Dames

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Speaker 1: in Independence, so they have more flexibility with their schedule.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta The other thing is, listen, who's gonna

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Speaker 1: win Coach of the Year. I'm not a big Awards guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't really care, but you know, Mike Vrabel and

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson deserve consideration. Jim Harbaugh has the Chargers at

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Speaker 1: eight and four, the lowest ranked offensive line due to injuries,

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Speaker 1: and they still run the football. Wow, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And what Shanahan's done and Robert Salah to this team,

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Speaker 1: they have a buy now at nine and four, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. No Bosa, no Warner. Remember they lost Greenlaw

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Speaker 1: and Hufunga in the offseason Denver bottom, so they went

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Speaker 1: in under the gun. Mikhel Williams the Georgia defensive end.

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Speaker 1: Now he got hurt too, the first round guy. So

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Speaker 1: they're doing it with duct tape and great coaching in

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Speaker 1: the NFL is a little like gold mining. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a very few gems and you got to dig

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Speaker 1: through a lot of rubble and soil and dirt and

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Speaker 1: rock to find the gold gems. But Shanahan's done an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable job with this team. And we always give Coach

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Speaker 1: of the Year to you know, and they're deserving to

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Speaker 1: Vrabel and Ben Johnson. It's really been the year of coaching.

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Speaker 1: But I think what Harbaugh's done, how they run the football,

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Speaker 1: Hampton's coming back, watch out, and what Shanahan has done.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember remember a team on one side of

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Speaker 1: a ball that has lost more from the end to

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Speaker 1: last season to now, and they've been unbelievably good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders wasn't bad. It's Stefanski knows what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: and they've got talent. Nope, they mean all the big plays.

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Speaker 1: Here's Kyle after.

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Speaker 9: I thought the Divas sevent the tone all day. Really,

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think they got that one score with

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Speaker 9: that the double move, I think they ran it felt

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Speaker 9: like nine plays in in a row, set it up

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Speaker 9: and got that score and every drive after that. Man,

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Speaker 9: I thought our DV was real good. I made some

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Speaker 9: adjustments at halftime. Did better in the run game, I

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Speaker 9: thought in the second half, But fourth down was the

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Speaker 9: big home. It's good to turnovers when you stop him

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Speaker 9: on fourth down.

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Speaker 1: They are eighth in the NFL in defense, and again

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Speaker 1: they've played a division where they've got a face. Darnold

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Speaker 1: and Stafford and Devonte Adams. I mean they, you know,

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Speaker 1: even going on the road, crappy weather, Schador Sanders. I

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Speaker 1: thought that Cleveland was one of my favorite pixel Then

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Speaker 1: here's Matt Hasselback earlier on the adversity the Niners have

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Speaker 1: battled through.

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Speaker 3: I remember Chuck Plegano was my head coach one year

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Speaker 3: and we had, you know, a lot of different adversity

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Speaker 3: that we were we were kind of facing. And it

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Speaker 3: felt like every single team meeting started out with so

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Speaker 3: what now what?

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Speaker 5: Like so what now what?

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Speaker 3: You didn't make an excuse, You're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Find a way.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's an example of what San Fran

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Speaker 3: has done. And this is another team I would not

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Speaker 3: count out. I think people have counted this team out

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Speaker 3: because the Rams and the Seahawks have been so good.

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Speaker 5: But don't count out san Fran.

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Speaker 3: They got a I think they they're in control of

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Speaker 3: a lot of things, and they've proven that they can

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Speaker 3: win without their star players.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one of the great mysteries in the NFL is

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Speaker 1: why doesn't everybody love Jordan Love? So we're gonna play

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Speaker 1: blind resume j mac. Here are the numbers for Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love of the Green Bay Packers, with the youngest offense

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Speaker 1: in the league. Right, doesn't always plan the best weather.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love eight three and one, nineteen touchdowns, three picks,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and four passer, sixty seven percent completion percentage.

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Speaker 1: So let's play a little blind resume. He was great

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Speaker 1: against Detroit and nobody loves him. So for our radio audience,

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Speaker 1: we're throwing up a quarterback who is virtually identical to

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love's numbers so far this year. Who is that

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Speaker 1: quarterback Tom Brady in twenty twenty Brady's last Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: winning season, same numbers, and we're like Brady's the goat,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable seedon. Let's play it again. Jordan Loves number so far. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this quarterback, I mean, doesn't even have the passer rating

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Speaker 1: yards per attempt slightly back. Who's this quarterback Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: in his Super Bowl winning year? J Mack is win

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Speaker 1: seeing it the data that is being presented. So let's

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Speaker 1: do another Jar Love blind resume. So we got Brady

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Speaker 1: and Stafford in super Bowl winning years. Okay, this quarterback

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Speaker 1: is clearly, clearly not quite as good as Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are all off a little bit from Jordan's

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Speaker 1: numbers this year. Who is this quarterback? Oh, Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: last Super Bowl win, He's got a significantly higher passer

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Speaker 1: rating and yards per attempt? Let's do one more.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you've heard of Mahomes, Stafford and Brady Tittle. Why Tittle?

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Speaker 1: They didn't play in shoes, so you have to have

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Speaker 1: playing in shoes. All right? So let's fine Because I'm

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Speaker 1: watching Jordan against Detroit and I'm like, tall, athletic, big arm, aggressive,

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Speaker 1: doesn't throw picks. What is it with Jordan Love? I

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Speaker 1: know I didn't know what he was gonna be, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, at this point he's good. So this next

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Speaker 1: quarterback our final round again, Jordan loves slightly better across

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Speaker 1: the board, especially in passer rating. Who is this quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen be season?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy? Oh you love this stuff? I mean I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like a magician. I watch my words here

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Speaker 1: I had, but I have a copper field field to me.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. So are you said? What

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Speaker 1: are we saying here, Jordan Love? Is we love Stafford?

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Speaker 1: Brady Josh al Maholmes. It's hard to find anybody out

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Speaker 1: of Green Bay that'll just go. This kid's great. I

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Speaker 1: mean everybody. It brought Purty defenders, Jalen Hurt's defenders, Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert defenders, and I like those guys too. Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: is fantastic.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it was the Lions like I like the

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Speaker 7: Packers lot. It was only the Lions. You know, the

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Speaker 7: secondary not very good pass rush wasn't there. I gave

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Speaker 7: you season number.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm don't where I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I mean I like Jordan Love a lot. Remember we

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Speaker 7: talked about him as a potential MVP candidate. He loses Tuckerkraft.

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Speaker 7: The offensive line's been kind of beat up. Golden's not

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Speaker 7: always been there. Yes, Jayden Reid's been out for like

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Speaker 7: ten weeks or something. Yeah, this team is dangerous right now.

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Speaker 7: Where you in with the Packers? Oh, in the NFC higher.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Detroit game. Also, they have not run

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Speaker 1: the ball consistently, so he doesn't have a formidable run game.

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Speaker 1: The on line banks they overpaid for green Bay doesn't

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Speaker 1: do that very much. They may have overpaid for that

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Speaker 1: guard from the Niners. Their run game is not very good.

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Speaker 1: Major injuries lost Tucker Craft and they go to Detroit

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Speaker 1: and Detroit hasn't lost two in a row in forever,

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Speaker 1: and they, you know it, beat him soundly. They were

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Speaker 1: the better team.

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Speaker 7: So this is a four to twenty five marquee game.

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Speaker 7: This weekend, Packers hosting the Bears. There's number one seed

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Speaker 7: in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: The len Okay, Okay, green Bay, Oh boy, green Bay

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Speaker 1: minus one and a half.

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Speaker 7: Oh god, I'll give you a Mulligan tray again.

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Speaker 2: You're not even close.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay minus three and a half, green.

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Speaker 7: Bay minus six and a half, Oh god, smallman on draft.

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Speaker 1: Picks, ridiculous, a rivalry division game six and a half.

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Speaker 7: I'm just telling you Green Bay has a much better

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Speaker 7: odds for Super Bowl than gret Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Chicago.

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Speaker 7: It's like right around nine to ten super Bowl odds.

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Speaker 7: Despite being number one in the NFC. The market is

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Speaker 7: telling you this Bears team is fugazi.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying they are.

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Speaker 7: I know Ben Johnson's gonna pull clips and give it

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Speaker 7: to his team.

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Speaker 8: I'm not trashing them.

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Speaker 2: Packers big this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Colling just admit that Jordan love blind resume.

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Speaker 2: Oh you love that.

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Speaker 1: Your head is spinning. You don't know what to do,