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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Ichirl Podcast. I am here

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Speaker 1: with Taylor Katara, ultimate NYC cool girl and my friend

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Speaker 1: who I just love. So I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to the beginning with you. Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 1: What kind of kid were you? Were you always an

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Speaker 1: artsy cool girl or did that come later?

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Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, I always laugh when I

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Speaker 2: say this. I was a homeschooled kid, which it's just

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Speaker 2: so just so funny because you know the whole narrative

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Speaker 2: around home scholed kids.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad I wasn't home schooled. I'm already weird.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, so weird, but in a very like artsy

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Speaker 2: weird way. I was also doing like a lot of

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Speaker 2: child like modeling and acting, which definitely built who I

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Speaker 2: am today. But yeah, I grew up in Miami, Florida,

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Speaker 2: and then I was in California for a bit and

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Speaker 2: then now I'm here. But yeah, always an artsy, kind

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Speaker 2: of like quiet scheming little girl.

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Speaker 1: I love that artsy cool girl from day one. Did

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Speaker 1: a painting come first for you? Or did fashion come first?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like you're prevalent in both spaces.

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Speaker 2: Probably, I mean, being like in the modeling world. As

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Speaker 2: a kid, I was always in the fashion scene. But

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Speaker 2: I feel like to me, it was just like I

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Speaker 2: would wear whatever they gave me and it was fun.

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Speaker 2: So I think art for me was since I was

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Speaker 2: literally a baby, I was always painting and I love

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Speaker 2: art so much and I always have. I just think

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Speaker 2: that I never saw it as a career. It was

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Speaker 2: just how I would express myself. To be honest, what.

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Speaker 1: Did you want to do at that age? Like, where

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Speaker 1: did you see yourself ending up?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm trying to think. The earliest thing

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do was like open like an animal

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Speaker 2: sanctuary with cats. But then I think I always wanted

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Speaker 2: to be maybe like an actress. I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: had so many thoughts and ideas of what I've wanted

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Speaker 2: to do. And there was a time where I considered

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Speaker 2: being a painter. In high school, really amazing art teacher

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Speaker 2: who introduced me to oil paints and really like taught

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Speaker 2: me some amazing foundational techniques that I don't think I

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Speaker 2: would have learned otherwise. But I think there's this like

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Speaker 2: narrative out there that you don't make money as an

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Speaker 2: artist and it's hard and so that can be really tough,

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Speaker 2: like as a young person looking at that and saying like, well,

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Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't do this. So to me, in my mind,

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's always just going to be like

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Speaker 2: a hobby for me. Well, little did I know?

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Speaker 1: Has painting been lucrative for you?

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Speaker 2: It really has. I think I found I took a

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Speaker 2: break from painting for a while when I was in

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Speaker 2: college and trying to decide what I wanted to do

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Speaker 2: career wise, and honestly, it was probably the best thing

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Speaker 2: I could have done because it took the pressure off

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Speaker 2: of it. And when I did come back to painting,

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Speaker 2: it was more so just because I genuinely wanted to

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Speaker 2: express myself and do that, because sometimes, like as a career,

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Speaker 2: if you put too much pressure on your work, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the worst place you can be.

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Speaker 1: So we've had another artist influencer on and she was

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Speaker 1: like I never thought this would have and a model

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Speaker 1: and she was like, I made more painting last year.

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Speaker 1: She was like than I did as an influencer. Do

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Speaker 1: you have tips for any artists who may be listening

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Speaker 1: that want to monetize.

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Speaker 2: There are Yeah, I mean, the art world is so

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Speaker 2: strange and there's so many like different facets of it.

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Speaker 2: I still don't understand the art world. No, it's and

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Speaker 2: I'm in it crazy and it's evolving, like it is

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Speaker 2: completely changing right now based on like how it was

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Speaker 2: ten fifteen years ago. So for me, when I was

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Speaker 2: posting my art on TikTok and saying people were giving

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Speaker 2: me great feedback, and I was like, well, maybe there's

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Speaker 2: something here, I kind of just sat with it and said, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I have no connections in the art world. At the time,

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Speaker 2: I live in LA I was kind of scheming about

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Speaker 2: moving to New York. I was like, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to know anyone. How can I like immerse myself or

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Speaker 2: use social media as the free advertising that it is.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think I would be where I am

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Speaker 2: today without utilizing that. I think artists really should try

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Speaker 2: to use social media for their work. It's hard as

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Speaker 2: an artist you like don't want I was going to say.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard because artists are typically so anti social

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Speaker 1: media because it does stand for like the antithesis of

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Speaker 1: what an artist would stand for. It really is like

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Speaker 1: the but at the same time, it's a free market

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Speaker 1: and you're reaching the masses.

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Speaker 2: And you just get the discovery, like the things opportunities

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Speaker 2: that have come to me because the right person saw

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Speaker 2: my video and what I was doing. It's that would

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Speaker 2: be like my number one tip for people trying to

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Speaker 2: show their work. Don't be afraid and just find what

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Speaker 2: makes you comfortable. Like for a while, I would never

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Speaker 2: post like my process videos because as an artist, you

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Speaker 2: have parts of your work that feel sacred, and so

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Speaker 2: I will always have like those boundaries too. Of like,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not feeling, you know, videoing like this part

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Speaker 2: of my process, then don't do that. You know, like

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Speaker 2: you can find a way to show off your work

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Speaker 2: without feeling inauthentic, If that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if Picasso had had a TikTok Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you could have done so much more. Can you give

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Speaker 1: us a snapshot of what a day in the life

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Speaker 1: is like for you? Give us, like morning tonight, what

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Speaker 1: is Taylor up to?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Okay, day in the life, well, day

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Speaker 2: in the life of a day. It does every day

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Speaker 2: is different. But if I had to like consolidate it

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Speaker 2: into one day. Definitely wake up and I'm most creative

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Speaker 2: in the mornings, so I'll make myself my macha and

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Speaker 2: I try not to be on my phone in the morning,

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Speaker 2: but you know how hard that.

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Speaker 1: Is, and I tell everyone, I'm like, I'm not on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have good days and bad days.

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Speaker 1: The second I opened my eyes and I'm like, where about.

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Speaker 2: I know it's it's I'm like actually trying not to

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Speaker 2: do that. But yeah, I'll like once I get caffeine

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Speaker 2: in the mornings. So I'll try to do at least

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Speaker 2: like three or four hours working in my studio without technology,

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Speaker 2: like really just trying to che probably like eleven okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people that week. So I

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Speaker 2: and that's okay. It's kind of an id out. So

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Speaker 2: I'll try to do that. Then I have like mandatory

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Speaker 2: try to shoot something. But also I kind of break

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Speaker 2: up my days as an artist. I'll have days where

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Speaker 2: I am just not on my phone at all, not

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Speaker 2: on my computer, and I'm like, you're just gonna be

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Speaker 2: creat painting and creating and sketching because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: And like are you getting with email?

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Speaker 2: And then but like and it's it's too much.

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Speaker 1: I struggle with that a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's okay to not have this

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Speaker 2: like perfectly structured day. And like on socials we see

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Speaker 2: like everyone having these days. It's like I go to

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Speaker 2: that's not me. So I was like, once I finally

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Speaker 1: Actually I'm working on that right now because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you could do more, you could do more, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to. Yeah, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: I used to wake up and feel so guilty if

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Speaker 2: actually enjoy like my mornings and sit with myself in silence,

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Speaker 2: and like it changed everything for me, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it is. I have been in this,

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Speaker 1: Like you need to go to the gym, you need,

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Speaker 1: But the only way with my life that I can

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Speaker 1: I'm already tired. And then it's like you take a

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Speaker 1: I'm in that process of trying to release the guilt.

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Speaker 1: I feel guilt when I like go to sleep at night,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you could have done so much more.

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Speaker 1: You didn't write a sub stack today, you didn't finish

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Speaker 1: all those videos. And I'm trying to like mentally release

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that also as women, it's like we are

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Speaker 2: functioning on like a cycle, and it's like it's so

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Speaker 2: important to know that you're going to have like a

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Speaker 2: week where you feel so motivated and it's so high energy,

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Speaker 2: so capitalize on that and then if like the next

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Speaker 2: to kind of train your brain to know, like it's

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Speaker 2: figure out your schedule and just harness that.

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Speaker 1: It's very like anti culture too, because we're supposed to

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Speaker 1: girl boss, I know, And I'm like, what if everybody did.

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Speaker 1: Somebody on TikTok the other day said I speak at

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Speaker 1: the cadence of a kid that needs riddlin', and I

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Speaker 1: was like, while that is true, I was like, do

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Speaker 1: you know how hard it is for me to slow down?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I would love to be, Hey, you're type A.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm busy.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm Type A. I'm just

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Speaker 1: I kind of am like forced into it at this

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Speaker 1: type B and more relax if it wasn't like so intense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with my day to day that I'm like trying to

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Speaker 1: juggle so many things, and I'm like, I don't get

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Speaker 1: to slow down like I would love. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to sound like a kid that you it's

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Speaker 1: riddle in I want to be like good morning, good

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Speaker 1: morning everyone, but I can't.

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Speaker 2: No, that's okay. Do you just beat do you? It's

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Speaker 2: just the phase. It's the phase. I'm meant.

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Speaker 1: So I love that you're I'm with you on that

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Speaker 1: wavelength of trying to release the guilt and the pressure

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Speaker 1: and the like culture of you have to do everything

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Speaker 1: all the time. Oh, especially as a woman. If you

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Speaker 1: want to be successful, you need to do more. And

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Speaker 1: this is a side note, we'll get back on track.

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Speaker 2: I love Pinterest? Who doesn't? So that's great? Yeah? Me too.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's like a really important thing that

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Speaker 2: It's people.

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Speaker 2: it's been like, I don't know, I've been doing this

435
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: professionally for like five years, but wow, it really has.

436
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: Like I went from this very bold kind of color scheme,

437
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: like a little bit more tuty, like I guess, like

438
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: surreal abstract, and then now I'm like a little bit

439
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: softer and more moody and like my fashion of being

440
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: like a little bit more edgy. So yeah, you can

441
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: really see it, and that doesn't surprise me.

442
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that And I feel like that's

443
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: all that all goes back to your taste, like the

444
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: things you appreciate, the things you find beautiful, the things

445
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: you find visually interesting.

446
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in art with your taste, yeah, and it reflects

447
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: your emotional state as well, Like you look back at

448
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 2: all these amazing famous painters and you know they have

449
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: their like eras in series that reflect what was going

450
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: on in their life and their their journey.

451
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: So I love it. What is something you think people

452
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: buy too much of?

453
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Hmmm? By too much of?

454
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: I feel like you're a vintage girl and not a

455
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: fast fashion girl.

456
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: Yes, big time. No, Actually that's the answer I used.

457
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: But I had a time where I used to work

458
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: a corporate job before I entered the creative sphere, and

459
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I would be so emotionally just drained,

460
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: and I would go out after work to a mall

461
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: and I would just like go to a store and

462
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: I would just shop to feel something. And then I

463
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: would a week later look at all this stuff I

464
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: bought and be like this, none of this is me

465
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: and it doesn't even like fit right or And that

466
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: was like a really kind of depressing time honestly for

467
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: me and my personal self expression.

468
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, you have to just go to Zarrow

469
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: just to ya just to feel You're like, I did

470
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: nothing for myself today. Maybe I could spend some money.

471
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: It'll like I was buying like I bought a Zara

472
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: hot pink blazer. I was so desperate to feel whimsy,

473
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: and I just didn't know where what to do. And

474
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: so when I got into thrifting, it was the purest

475
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: form of figuring out what you actually like. Because when

476
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: you walk into a store there's mannequins, they're already curating

477
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: what they think you should buy. When you walk into

478
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: a thrift store, it's yeah, it's not even organized most

479
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: of the time by color or anything. Yeah, So it's

480
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 2: really you touching the fabrics and just deciding on your

481
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: own terms if you like it or not. And that's

482
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: an amazing way to learn about your personal style.

483
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: You got me into Lull Vintage. You posted like some

484
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: sunglasses or something, and I either you posted or I

485
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: d do I don't remember, and I was like, I

486
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: think I d like where are these from? Or you

487
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: posted the link? And then I went there and was like,

488
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the best war ever.

489
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Major shout out to them. I was literally there two

490
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: weeks ago and I got the most gorgeous I've sat

491
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: from their pants. Yeah.

492
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: Amazing, But that was like a testament to it. So

493
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I was like, she has such unique, cool pieces that

494
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: they're so not like I don't like that everybody has

495
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: its stuff.

496
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: No, And also too, it's always the pieces are the

497
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: quality is way better. It's timeless. And that's a great

498
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: way to learn about fashion too, if you really don't

499
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: know where to start, even if you don't buy anything.

500
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: M hm. You go you look at these pieces. You

501
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: start seeing these labels that aren't like the name brand labels.

502
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: Look it up after, like find out more about the

503
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: brand and like, oh, was this a diffusion line? Was

504
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: this a main line? That you can learn so much

505
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: through just feeling the fabric and observing.

506
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: And you find like where the real quality pieces are made.

507
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: Like we hear about the same hundred brands online, but

508
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: then you gove into chopping and you're like, oh wait,

509
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: this is like the premiere shirt maker in Italy that

510
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: like actually made all the best. Sure it's that all

511
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: of these other brands are trying to eminate. That is

512
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: a great tip, Like go just go feel it, go

513
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: look at it, go learn about it. Go just see

514
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: what the brands are. You're going to find all these

515
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: brands that aren't like the main thing on the real

516
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: real You can find all these and then you're like,

517
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, these are sixty dollars, but they're the

518
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: best pants you've ever seen in your entire life. And

519
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of them available and you didn't even know

520
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: it existed.

521
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: Oh and I'm going to sound like such a divo

522
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: when I say this, but I like having pieces that

523
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: no one else I love it.

524
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: No, I love it. And I'm like, if you want

525
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: to go find it and find one of them, I

526
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: don't mind at all. But like I like that. People

527
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: are like what is that? Yeah, it doesn't immediately you're

528
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I know exactly where that's from, or

529
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: like like oh she got that.

530
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Like sorry, guys, I don't have the link.

531
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: Yes, I love And you can teach you aboucal vintage

532
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: stores and it's like secondary fashion, you know, not buying

533
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: stuff that's mass produced.

534
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: Agreed.

535
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: What is one styling trick you swear by?

536
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: Diiling trick I swear by is when you're getting dressed,

537
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: put on a heel.

538
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: Ooh.

539
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: It has changed the game for me, even if you

540
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: aren't gonna wear the heels with that outfit. Something about

541
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: starting with a little bit of height, you just automatically

542
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: get a little confidence boost. Because as someone who's had

543
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: like major crashouts getting dressed. Who hasn't? Who has it?

544
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: It just happens at least once a month, but it

545
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: really helps. It's like almost like putting on your favorite song.

546
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: It like sets the tone for getting dressed. And Yeah,

547
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: that's really been like a weird in the right.

548
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: State of mind.

549
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's like important.

550
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: That's a super unique styling tip. I really like that.

551
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: What is something currently on your wish list?

552
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I really would like to get a

553
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Fendy spy bag.

554
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: Who is that the little mini? Is that the baby one?

555
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: No, it's actually like more of a large, like a

556
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: medium sized shoulder bag. They might I'd have made like

557
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: a smaller one too.

558
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the little baby beget.

559
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh, the baby little tea. I also do want like

560
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: a Yeah, the bagetts are gorgeous. I really wish that

561
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: I had been born like fifteen years earlier when you

562
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: could get those.

563
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I wish on eBay for like that they went to

564
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: when I lived in LA they were like everywhere, they

565
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: were nothing and they were like the Carrie Bradshaw bag,

566
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: but it wasn't having that resurgence at all, and you

567
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: could get them for like four hundred dollars at any

568
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: thrift store, even less for certain ones, and now it's

569
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: like they're all I looked yesterday on the reel and

570
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: I was like, fifty five hundred dollars for super old bag.

571
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: Again.

572
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could have got this for three hundred dollars.

573
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: A few years ago. I know, it's crazy. That's like

574
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: one of the ones that I know probably in the

575
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: next It already is kind of having a resurgence, but

576
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna have more of a resurgence probably soon. I'm

577
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: like eyeing it on the real reel.

578
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: I know, shut out the real reel.

579
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: I love you.

580
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: I know I want one. I want to beg at too,

581
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, because the one, the one you

582
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: want is like the glittery one and like the cool one.

583
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Like the ones fully sequined.

584
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: You're a You're a Fendi bag At girl, without a doubt.

585
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: What excites you most about fashion?

586
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Right now?

587
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the industry is having such a great

588
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: like there's there's creativity.

589
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Again, there is, and I feel like we're leaning a

590
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: lot back into artist collaborations, which I think are amazing.

591
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: I really am excited to see more drama and more

592
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: you know statements as well. I feel like I miss,

593
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, these the era of Vivian Westwood, like the

594
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: good old. I mean I wasn't even like conscious then,

595
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: but and I look back and I'm like, wow, what

596
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: a time in fashion, Like Alexander McQueen, like, I want

597
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: true theador. I want drama, like let's say things with

598
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: these shows. And I think there are a lot of

599
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: amazing things happening and a lot of amazing stuff I've

600
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: seen recently, but I want like More's like I for Halloween.

601
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this, but I decided

602
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: where every year now I reference like a Runway moment

603
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 2: and that's one of my Halloween costumes.

604
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: And that's amazing.

605
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: So I did the McQueen show where you know, with

606
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: the robot where she's being sprayed, and that was one

607
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: of my Halloween costumes.

608
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that.

609
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I want to see more of that.

610
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: I know we'll never.

611
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: Truly get it back because it's too well, it's based

612
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: on these amazing icons and so you know there there

613
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: are these amazing icons there and they need to just

614
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: have their moment.

615
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to it.

616
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I love I wish it wasn't so sales heavy. Yeah,

617
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like no one ever talked about that,

618
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: No one ever like, oh, McQueen, no one said McQueen

619
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: doesn't sell or like what that was not even a discussion.

620
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: It was like, it's art, it's beautiful, that's all that matters.

621
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: And now it's like how much did that collection sell?

622
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: What is his? You know, how much is he turning

623
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: over for the brandy? And that does kill me a

624
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: ten event big. What makes someone look instantly chic to you?

625
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Instantly chic? I think a pair of like a shield

626
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: like big sunglasses that kind of cover most of the

627
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: face because you could wear and this is like such

628
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: a reference to like the early two thousands celebrities getting

629
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, paparazzi pictures. But you could be in like

630
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: a juicy tracksuit or in your workout clothes. But if

631
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: you have a really like cool pair of sunglasses with

632
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: a great shape, easy you just look like.

633
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Unglasses are like my thing. Yeah, Like I love sick sunglasses.

634
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the easiest way to like have a

635
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: f You're right, you can wear geens in a T shirt,

636
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: but if you have the sickest sunglasses on Yeah, game over,

637
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: you're the most noticeable one.

638
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: No, and honestly hot tip on the real real tom

639
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: Ford sunglasses are on there and they're so good and

640
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: there's so many of them, like I'm nice big yeah,

641
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: oh so good.

642
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I love that great tip, and I love vintaed sunglasses

643
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: because I think sunglasses are so heinously priced.

644
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: I can't even well so too. I get really scared

645
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: of like dropping them and breaking them. I'm not like

646
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: the most careful. So yeah, I lost many personal sunglasses,

647
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: many very It's a sad.

648
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Day and they really are just plastic. Yeah, So I

649
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: would say lean vintage. What is a trend people are

650
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: sleeping on. It could be vented sunglasses.

651
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Vintage sunglasses. I think, like like head pieces is something

652
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to lean more into.

653
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Like a veil like love.

654
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: You could wear almost like a little I forget what

655
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: they're called, but like a little like lace tiny just

656
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: like I don't know the word.

657
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Are you talking about

658
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: like those little yes, I know what they're called either.

659
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: You know what I also have been buying a lot

660
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: lately are shrugs and like little like capes but like

661
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: short cropped capes. Yes, I think for trans like when

662
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: you're transitioning from like summer to fall winter, you could

663
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: wear like a tea and then wear a little cape over.

664
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I am the biggest shrug girl. Yeah, leave I always

665
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: makes fun of me. She's like, you got that shrug

666
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: on again? Like will I were a fur from my

667
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: first October to February. You're not seeing these arms like

668
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I have a fur shrug or fur shawl or a

669
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: fur something over my arms.

670
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: I love. Yeah. I have this little brown BB one

671
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: that I thrifted, of course, and it's my favorite.

672
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I have a Zara one and I have one what's

673
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: that brand? I want to say it's called a Paris.

674
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Is that the brand that was It's like five hundred

675
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: dollars and I got it at a gifting suite. Would

676
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: buy ten of them. Best thing I've ever purchased. Just

677
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: so you can work with anything, you can even like

678
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: wear it with capris and a tank and then it's

679
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: like you just throw it on and keep your arms warm.

680
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Genius one more a skinny scarf. Yes. Some people think

681
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: it's so like Disney Kid, and I'm like, yeah, but

682
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: it's so good.

683
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: It is good it's so good. It is. It's fashion,

684
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: It really is. It is. I agree completely. Yeah, what

685
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: does being an IT girl mean to you?

686
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: Being an IT girl to me means just being comfortable

687
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 2: with the weird girl inside of you. I think that's

688
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: what really freed me, is leaning into being my weird,

689
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: authentic self. I think everyone kind of goes through a

690
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: moment where they're trying to maybe fit in and be

691
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: like everyone else, and once you realize that that's not

692
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: what people want from you. People want to see your

693
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: inner self and yeah, coming back to my weird girl,

694
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: homeschooled self, Like I was that strange little you know,

695
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: making weird stories and movies and yeah, so I think

696
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: it's nice to come back to that.

697
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: What does he say and what a girl wants? It says,

698
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: why are you trying to fit in? Your bone?

699
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: Stand out? Exactly?

700
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: Stand out?

701
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: Stand out? We're in also too. I'm so happy that

702
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: we're seeing like a shift into weird girl economy. Yeah,

703
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: I like think girls are being appreciated. My time is

704
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: here and my time has come.

705
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: School girls rise, Yes, this is your moment.

706
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I love that.

707
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sorry, where do you go when you want to

708
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: feel inspired. Is it the met is it shopping?

709
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Where do you go? I'd say it's going yeah, to

710
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: art galleries. I love going and looking at anything.

711
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Really, I feel favorite galleries in New York.

712
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like Journal Gallery. It's amazing because if

713
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: you go to like Tribeca, there's like that one street

714
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of like great galleries that are

715
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: kind of showing more contemporary pieces people that are more

716
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: in my age range, which I like because then you

717
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: get to see what's new in the art world, in

718
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: the art scene. But also a huge thing for me

719
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: is nature. And I've realized that if I really need

720
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: a reset, like going out and being in nature is

721
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: so important, and there's not a lot of that in

722
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: New York, but you can find some gorgeous pockets and

723
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: just kind of reset.

724
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. My therapist that I needed a hug a tree.

725
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm not even no, actually she said you need to go.

726
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: She was like, hug a tree.

727
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't done it yet.

728
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm too scared.

729
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: But no, it's so important. And I actually did an

730
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: artist residency last year and it was in the south

731
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: of France and it was in this like very small town,

732
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: literally in the middle of nowhere, and I didn't expect

733
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: to have this weird I like came off the plane,

734
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: get to this town, and all of a sudden, I'm like,

735
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: oh my god, like it's so quiet. And I wasn't

736
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: like I'm so shocked by that because we live here

737
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: and we're so over stimulated all the time. So it

738
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: took me a couple of days and then I was

739
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, I'm living such a slow

740
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: life and this is amazing. And I felt so creative

741
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: all of a sudden.

742
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: That's what she was telling me. Yeah, she was like,

743
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: it's in It's part of the Nature's part of the embodiment.

744
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: Like she's like, when you're embodied, you're connected with nature,

745
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: like we're supposed to be. Yeah, and like that's what

746
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: we're supposed to hear, is birds chirping and like the

747
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: wind blowing and all of that. That's what you're supposed

748
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: to be taking in, but we're not, I know, especially

749
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: in New York.

750
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as a kid, I grew up around like

751
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: more so nature, and we would go visit my grandpa

752
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: and he lived like kind of in the middle of nowhere,

753
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: like in a forest, and I was literally so weird.

754
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: I was like going into the forest and like as

755
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 2: a child, being like, where's the unicorn? And I would

756
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: sit and wait for this unicorn And I'm like, what, yeah.

757
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: I wore my Taylor still belives in unicorn.

758
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I do. And I would literally sit there as a

759
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: child and wait for this unicorn every day. And it's like,

760
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: that's what I want to express and like bring channel

761
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: that like in her child, that whimsy because it's so important. Oh,

762
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: I really love that.

763
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: I really love that. My therapist would love to hear this.

764
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: I gotta tell I'll tell her the story. She's gonna

765
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: love that because she's always trying to convince me of nature.

766
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: She's like, go to Central Park and Auga Tree and

767
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, not doing that.

768
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: Do it. I'll go with you.

769
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: She said that if you go stand in Hugga Tree

770
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes like that will do more for you

771
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: than anything she could tell me. She's like, you, I do.

772
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: She's the woman's got her work out oft for he

773
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: le me tell you. She was like, Jesus, woman, where

774
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: do you think the sicest women in New York spend

775
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: their time?

776
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: It's probably where you least expected. At the library. I

777
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: never got to library. I know I want to, but

778
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: I want to go to the library and start pulling

779
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: like old art books and fashion books. That's something that's

780
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: been on my personal to do list.

781
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to. I'm like, where can I go

782
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: see references? Because I talk to every girl about honing

783
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: their taste and they give me all these incredible tips,

784
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I'm just on Pinterest. There's references

785
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: that aren't making it on there.

786
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, at a library. I think maybe

787
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: at like one of those smaller parks in New York City.

788
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: People in like Tompkins Square are so interesting to look at. Interesting,

789
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you're an interesting person.

790
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, any of these interests.

791
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: I can just tell older.

792
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: Women who are feeding the pigeons who have like this

793
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: amazing outfit on immediately and just want to sit down

794
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: and chat with you.

795
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: It's like my dream to find a way to do

796
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: some kind of like not even docuseries, but like it girl,

797
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: but it's with fascinating New York women, like not someone

798
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: you would ever know to discover, just like those women

799
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: who have these crazy aparts they've owned since nineteen sixty five,

800
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: and you like and it's covered in all this beautiful

801
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: art and there they were like hanging out with Andy

802
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Warhol and like have been here forever. And you can

803
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: just tell when they walk past you. That's like a

804
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: fascinating que They have a storage floor so much.

805
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: I've gone through so much, and they like have so

806
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: much confidence, and yeah, that's like goals. I want to

807
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: be just so well maximalist ninety year old woman walking

808
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: around so well pigeons. I love that.

809
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that I will see you in like

810
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: a crazy fur coat, just like walking down the street

811
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: with some paint all over.

812
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Maybe by that point we'll be in this. We'll just

813
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: go hug trees.

814
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be like they're hugging trees. There's those women

815
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: that wearing a lot of shit. Yeah, I like that.

816
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: For us too.

817
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: Is there somewhere in the city you always end up

818
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: when you need a reset?

819
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love a good park. I know, I already

820
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: said that. I do love like a rooftop kind of

821
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: just seeing how big the city is is truly like wow,

822
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: you kind of like remember, there's like so many people and.

823
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I've never had a view, and I'm always like those

824
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: people who have like big glass apartments.

825
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you?

826
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, fat, Like I don't know if I could wake

827
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: up every day and take in how many people?

828
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: And there's like a psychological thing and maybe, yeah, it's

829
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 2: because we've never lived.

830
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: In I don't.

831
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: I don't see.

832
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: People from my apartment, Like I can't. I don't know

833
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: what's going on.

834
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: There's corny when I say that, I'm like, wow, I

835
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: but no, it's true.

836
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: Like I feel that every time I'm in I'm at

837
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: like the public hotel or whatever, somewhere covered in windows

838
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: or on a rooftop. I'm like, look at all.

839
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: It's similar to when, like, I don't know if you

840
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: feel this way when you're in a plane and you're

841
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: listening to music and you're like questioning your whole life.

842
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Ye, the same thing, fantastic love. What is something New

843
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: York has taught you about yourself?

844
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, because there's literally so many lessons.

845
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: But New York has taught me that I am a

846
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: lot stronger than I think I am. New York when

847
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: I first moved here was shiny and and beautiful, but

848
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: it also like brings you back to reality and you

849
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: learn so much about the world. Living in New York.

850
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people don't have that

851
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: privilege because there's so much here. There's so many people,

852
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: there's so many people going on personal journeys and living

853
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: their lives, and so it kind of humbles you, but

854
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: in a fabulous way, Like in a way that everyone

855
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: I wish could experience.

856
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I've always felt like being in New York is like

857
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: being in like one of those rock tumblers, Like you

858
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: go in and then it's like, all of a sudden,

859
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: you're being thrown around and you're like, get me out

860
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: of here, get me out of here, and you just

861
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're being beaten up from all sides. And

862
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: then you come out and you're like, WHOA, I learned

863
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: a lot in there. Yeah, it beats you up, but

864
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: it like turns you in. It's like a strength that

865
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: you need.

866
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it truly is.

867
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone should have to live here for

868
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: a year.

869
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've changed so much as a person truly.

870
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. When I lived in LA for five years,

871
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: and it felt like I closed my eyes in five

872
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: years past, like I cannot believe I was there for

873
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: that long. And I hate the version of myself that

874
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: I was when I lived there. Here, I'm like, every

875
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: year is like twenty years. Yeah, I'm like, oh my god,

876
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: I can't even relate to that person. I don't even

877
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: know her. You grow so much. And I think that's

878
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: why New York breeds so many In New York, London

879
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Paris a lot, all these places breed like cool girls

880
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: because it's like you get a slap in the face

881
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: of life.

882
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I see so many fabulous people when I

883
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: walk out the door, and to me, I look at

884
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: it as like motivation. Like I look at it as

885
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: like wow, that person is exuding so much confidence or

886
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: like they're doing this thing that's like I really admire,

887
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: and it's like, how can I like improve even if

888
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: it's like tiny things every day. And that's how I

889
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: try to view it.

890
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: I guess if you can make it here, you can

891
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: make it anywhere. They were serious about that.

892
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: That was actually true, say true, make.

893
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: What feels like the next chapter for you? What are

894
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: you excited about? What are you looking forward to?

895
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people are asking me when I'm

896
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: going to do my next art show, which TVD because

897
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: art is never rushed as much as sometimes I'm very

898
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: type and I want to have you know, a schedule, yep.

899
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: But I think I'm in a very experimental phase with

900
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: my work right now, where I'm also changing a lot

901
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: as a person, and so you're seeing that through my work,

902
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: and I'm being a little bit more out there, and

903
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: I want to just make a ton of artwork and

904
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: then if a show happens, then a show happens. But

905
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to put pressure on myself. So right now,

906
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm just in so much of a creative space. I

907
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: just want to create, create, create, create, and we'll see

908
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: what happens.

909
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: Are there any mediums outside of painting or oil painting

910
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: that you're looking to explore?

911
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: Is or something new you want to do? Yeah, I

912
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: do want to get into sculptural I knew.

913
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: You were going to say that I was gonna finish

914
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: your sentence where I was like, I don't want to

915
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: finish her sentence for it, but I was like, she wants,

916
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: she wants to sculp to it feels like such a

917
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: natural progression for you.

918
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: Thank you well. In I kind of dabbled in a

919
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: little bit of sculptural pieces with my last show, but

920
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: I have this vision for a show where it's obviously

921
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: my oil paintings, but I want to incorporate almost like

922
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: a set of some type that's with these sculptural works.

923
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: And I don't want to give too much away because

924
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, I got to keep these ideas.

925
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: I feel like your paintings have that sculptural element, Like

926
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the people in your paintings look like they could be

927
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: a sculpture.

928
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was shaved to it to have some

929
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: of those symbols that appear in my painting appear in

930
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: like a three D form as well. TBD on what.

931
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: That will be that you'll see love, I knew it.

932
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: I was like she because there's a sculptural element to

933
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: the shapes in your work. They look like things that

934
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: could naturally it. I'm like, that could be put into

935
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: a sculptural form, you know, I see it, And I

936
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: like with your paintings you can kind of see how

937
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: your mind works and the way you like interpret the

938
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: lines and the shape of things. So I feel like,

939
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: naturally you'd be a sculptor after that, because it is

940
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: it's all about shape. What do I know? Never don't

941
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: never made a piece of art in my life, But

942
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that's just what I interpreted five years from now, what

943
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: you hope your life looks like?

944
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Wow, I would love to do an international show. I've

945
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: never shown my work outside of the US, so I

946
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: would love to do that. I would also love to

947
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: do some kind of collaboration with a fashion house because

948
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: the opportunities they're endless. And then personally, I would love

949
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: to just like continue to do like personal work, continue

950
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: you know, therapy, which is a luxury that I'm so

951
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: lucky I can do enough.

952
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: People don't say that when I say, like, what do

953
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: you want to do in five years? And I it

954
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: is important to be like, oh, I want to be

955
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: a better person. I want to be like a better

956
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: version of myself. Like that's that's missed a lot. It's like, oh,

957
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: I want to write a book, and it's like, but

958
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: do you also want to like, you know, connect with

959
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: your self, change like that kind of stuff. That's a

960
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: really important thing to keep on your I feel we

961
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: miss that when we manifest, when we set our goals,

962
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: we forget to add like.

963
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: Therapy totally change growth. Yeah, proof then can do therapy.

964
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: It's the best thing ever. So that and then also,

965
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, I want to like be educating myself.

966
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: So it'd be so fun to just take more classes.

967
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't even have to be like related to what

968
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: I do, Like, I just want to continue to learn

969
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: and grow. I know that's simple, but.

970
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: No, it's important. Again. It's stuff we missed when we met.

971
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: It's stuff we forget. It's the stuff that and when

972
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: you're trying to manifest a life like that, those are

973
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: important things. It's not just like, oh, I want this bag,

974
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: you also have to put like it's kind of like

975
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: a be careful what you would for things. You say

976
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: you want these things, but it's like, do you do?

977
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: You have to include that I also want. You don't

978
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: just want to make art in five years. You want

979
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: to make art that comes from a place of education,

980
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: from a place of knowledge, from a piece of joy,

981
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. These are important. These are important

982
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: things to say. What do you hope people know you

983
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: for beyond your social media?

984
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: I hope that people can see that it's okay to

985
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: like totally express yourself as an artist because I think

986
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: growing up as like an artistic person, you know, that's

987
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: not necessarily always viewed as cool, and you know how

988
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: it is, So I feel like I get a lot

989
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: of you know, younger people who follow me and they say, like,

990
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: I'm so inspired by like, you know, you putting your

991
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: work out there. So that's like if I can give

992
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: anyone just a little bit of like confidence or inspiration,

993
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: that's really so rewarding for me.

994
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: But it's cool to be arts, you know.

995
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I mean, it's I'm just happy that

996
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: it's hit the mainstream because the people who are in

997
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, the art world, it's always been like when

998
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: you're when you're in that scene, you're in your safe space.

999
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: But it's nice that, Yeah, we need to like instill

1000
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: that more.

1001
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: And it's so important to have like a secondary thing,

1002
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: like a secondary hobby that isn't what you do for work,

1003
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: and that isn't what you do.

1004
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: For the internet.

1005
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: It's incredibly I think as time goes on, it's going

1006
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: to become the most important thing to keep stable functioning adults.

1007
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: Like we need that. I feel like kids really are missing.

1008
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like totally what do you want to do for

1009
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: your job? And Instagram and TikTok, like those are literally

1010
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: people's lives and there needs to be like another thing

1011
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: so important. Okay, I make everybody speak something into existence.

1012
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: So if it's like a dream collab or like anything

1013
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: you want to you're gonna say it out loud and

1014
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna come true.

1015
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my gosh, this is so wild. But I

1016
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: used to never be able to walk in heels, and

1017
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: then I moved here and I trained myself to walk

1018
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: in heels, and now I can walk literally in any shoe,

1019
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: any terrain. Give me, put me on a cobblestone, put

1020
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: me on the greats in New York City. I can

1021
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: do it. I've been practicing. So what I would love

1022
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: to do is walk in a Runway show. Yes, I

1023
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: love because I've been practicing, and I literally have just

1024
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: been privately practicing. So maybe one day, I guess.

1025
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: See you, like in a Sandy lank once fashion a

1026
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: week a few months, I could see that in two seconds.

1027
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: As someone who grew up watching like Project Runway and

1028
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: all these shows, I'm like, that would be just a

1029
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: really fabulous side quest to have knocked off my bucket, like.

1030
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: A thesis on the impact of Project run Away. When

1031
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: people talk to me, I'm like, what not to wear

1032
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: a Project Runway. I've shaped my soul.

1033
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 2: No, I know, and I think like I've always grown

1034
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: up and been like I want to do this. I

1035
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: want to be like a model or whatever. So like

1036
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: I just would love for one moment.

1037
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: I see this. I can see you in like Adultchay show.

1038
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I could see you in a Sandy Leang show that

1039
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: it feels you're gassing me, feels like very graspable, like

1040
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: that feels like I could have an immediately. I can

1041
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: see you in so many things. We're speaking this to

1042
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: existence like a runway fashion model. And last question, who

1043
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: do you think is ultimate it girl? And why does

1044
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: she inspire you?

1045
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: I think this circles back, but I think the ultimate

1046
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: it girl are the older women of New York City

1047
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: who are walking around in their most iconic outfits, whether

1048
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: it's couture or whether it's just whatever they've put together

1049
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: that day. And you know they're just confidence level up there.

1050
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to learn from them. I want to be them.

1051
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: I really like it is my dream to find some

1052
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: way to like flat form and talk to because they

1053
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: on Instagram like they're hard to find. It's hard to

1054
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: get them to understand what you're doing. Yeah, like for them,

1055
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: isn't exploitative like I like to It doesn't make necessarily

1056
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: like sense to them, But I I want to talk

1057
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: to these like the ladies of the Upper east Side. Yeah,

1058
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: the ladies that are sitting in Tompkins Square Park.

1059
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1060
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: I was at Chipriani the other day and there was

1061
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: this table full of women next to me. They were

1062
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: probably all in like their seventies, and they had the

1063
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: biggest diamond rings I've ever seen, and they were just

1064
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: like talking about their lives and I was like, I

1065
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: think you're the most interesting group of people I've ever

1066
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: heard talk. And I wanted to be like, can I

1067
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: join your table? And you guys tell me all your lives?

1068
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Where did you meet your husband's Like how did you

1069
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: How long have you been lunching at Chipriani? Like do

1070
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: you come here every day? And it seemed like they did.

1071
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: Because they knew them.

1072
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, you ladies just fascinate me, Like

1073
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: you are in their seventies, dripping in diamonds, just like

1074
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: living their best life.

1075
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a similar situation. I was lucky enough

1076
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: to get a press pass to the frick Halloween party.

1077
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, fab iconic. That's a whole other story.

1078
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: How stressed I was about my outfit but.

1079
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I would like probably cry.

1080
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and there's like a very like you know,

1081
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: complicated theme and everything. But yeah, there was this group

1082
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: of women. It was like Gilded Age but like catoure

1083
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: and like that's not something. I also like found out

1084
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: I was going twenty four hours in advance.

1085
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Speaker 1: So and these women like have real gutur Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, I gotta like style. Yeah, really

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Speaker 2: lean into the styling hare. But yeah, they there. There

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Speaker 2: were these just gorgeous women and they're wearing like just

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Speaker 2: the most fabulous outfits and it was like five of

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Speaker 2: them and they were having the best time. Not a

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Speaker 2: man in sight.

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Speaker 1: That's my say.

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Speaker 2: I want to be a party of your friend group.

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Speaker 1: I know they're so and I'm just like, what do

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 2: And they were really nice. They complimented my necklace and

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Speaker 2: I was like, can we be best friends?

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Speaker 1: I need to see your outfit for this. I bet

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Speaker 1: it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like the frick is like I love it there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly museum I'm a member of.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's amazing. I love it.

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Speaker 1: And you normally can't take pictures. Could you take pictures

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Speaker 1: on Holi yes, oh yes, Oh my gosh, Gilded Age

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Speaker 1: at the Frick Collection like maybe the most New York

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Speaker 1: iconic thing I've read.

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Speaker 2: Life's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Okay, do you want to shout out your

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Speaker 1: social force? Yes?

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Speaker 2: My socials are Tata Tots on Instagram and Taylor Katara

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Speaker 2: on TikTok. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I am at Bailey t Taylor. We are at ik

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Speaker 1: girl the series. Taylor, Thank you so much. This is

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Speaker 1: such a good convo. I hope all the girls listening

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Speaker 1: feel so inspired to step into their creative selves and

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Speaker 1: let their creative flag fly, because you could turn it

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Speaker 1: into a business too, and you could be a New

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Speaker 1: York cool girl overnight. We will be back next week

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Speaker 1: with another girl. Thank you.