WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Krystal Rivera

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<v Speaker 2>On June fifth, twenty twenty five, thirty six year old

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Police officer Crystal Rivera was working patrol in the

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<v Speaker 2>East Chatham neighborhood on Chicago's South Side. She was with

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<v Speaker 2>her partner, officer Carlos Baker. Crystal had recently passed her

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<v Speaker 2>four year anniversary with the Chicago Police Department.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved her job.

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<v Speaker 2>Kristel was a single mother to young daughter Isabella, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had been working with Carlos for several years. They

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<v Speaker 2>were both members of CPD's sixth District Tactical Team. That night,

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<v Speaker 2>they were patrolling near the eighty two hundred block of

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<v Speaker 2>South Drex Avenue. It was an ordinary night until about

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<v Speaker 2>nine to fifty pm. That's when Carlos Baker and Crystal

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<v Speaker 2>Rivera saw a man outside an apartment building on South

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<v Speaker 2>Drex Avenue.

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<v Speaker 3>The man would later.

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<v Speaker 2>Be identified by police as Jalen Arnold. According to prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>the officers believed that Jalen might be armed. They said

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<v Speaker 2>he had an unusually large bulge under his jacket, something

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<v Speaker 2>that appeared consistent with a firearm or a drum magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos and Crystal approached Jalen, and Jalen ran, so they

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<v Speaker 2>ran after him. These moments would later be captured on

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<v Speaker 2>both Carlos and Crystal's body cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>On the footage, the officers can be seen running up

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<v Speaker 2>to the apartment door and yelling for Jalen to show

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<v Speaker 2>them his hands. They appear to be buzzing different doors.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear someone yelling police in the background, and

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<v Speaker 2>eventually it appears as though someone lets the officers in.

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<v Speaker 2>Once the chase went into the apartment building, they ran

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<v Speaker 2>up a flight of stairs toward a second four apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>On the video, you can see Jalen in front of them,

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos was behind him, and Crystal was behind Carlos. Both

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos and Crystal had their guns drawn. This hallway was narrow,

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<v Speaker 2>They were breathing hard, and then Carlos kicked in the door.

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<v Speaker 2>After he kicked in the door, Carlos saw something behind

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<v Speaker 2>that door. He fired a shot from his weapon, but

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't hit the suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>It hit Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>And what happened after that splits this case into two

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<v Speaker 2>different timelines. The first one is Carlos Baker's timeline, because

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<v Speaker 2>both he and his defenders say that everything relevant to

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<v Speaker 2>this case happened in a matter of seconds in a

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<v Speaker 2>narrow hallway during a dangerous pursuit with two armed men

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<v Speaker 2>inside an apartment. But Crystal Rivera's family claims in a

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit that that timeline is too short. They say there's

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<v Speaker 2>another timeline, one that is much longer, and one that

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<v Speaker 2>started long before that fateful chase into the apartment building.

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal's family claims that this timeline started years or with

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos and Crystal. They say the two weren't just partners

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<v Speaker 2>on the job, they were romantically involved, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>recently gone through a painful breakup. Then not long after that,

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<v Speaker 2>one of them ended up dead. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over

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<v Speaker 2>According to Crystal's obituary, she began her training to join

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<v Speaker 2>the police department when she was just eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>She considered going to join the army, but wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>serve her community locally. After she joined the Chicago Police Department,

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<v Speaker 2>she had dreams of becoming a forensic investigator, but Cristel

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<v Speaker 2>was juggling a lot. She had a full time job,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was taking care of her young daughter, Isabella, who,

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<v Speaker 2>according to her family, was Cristel's whole world. Cristel was

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<v Speaker 2>researching online classes to see if part time studying for

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<v Speaker 2>forensics would be an option. Her family wrote in her

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<v Speaker 2>obituary that she was known for her sense of humor

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<v Speaker 2>and her passions, which included fashion and horses, and also

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<v Speaker 2>staying physically fit. She always made time to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the gym. The obituary read quote, Though she gave much

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<v Speaker 2>to her work and goals, Cristel's number one priority was

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<v Speaker 2>always her daughter, Isabella. Her daughter was the center of

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<v Speaker 2>her world, and everything she did was with Isabella in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Christel loved her job, and her mom said though members

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<v Speaker 2>of the family had worked in law enforcement, Cristel was

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<v Speaker 2>the family's first female police officer, and on June second,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, Crystal was working with Carlos Baker. Carlos was

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<v Speaker 2>her partner, which in police work is more than just

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<v Speaker 2>a work partner. This is someone you regularly have to

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<v Speaker 2>trust with your life, and in Crystal and Carlos's case,

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<v Speaker 2>this was an even more complicated dynamic because, according to

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<v Speaker 2>Krystal's family. Carlos and Crystal had been in a long

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<v Speaker 2>term relationship and had recently split. Crystal and Carlos were

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<v Speaker 2>on the CPD's sixth District Tactical Team. The police Department

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago has twenty two of these Tactical Unit teams

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<v Speaker 2>and they're charged with proactively dealing with crime. They often

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<v Speaker 2>deploy in undercover vehicles or while wearing street clothes, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is in an area that has quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of violence and property crime. So, as we said before,

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos and Crystal were pursuing Jalen. Bodycam footage has been

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<v Speaker 2>released by Chicago's civilian Office of Police Accountability. This footage

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<v Speaker 2>shows the chase from both Crystal and Carlos's perspectives. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with timeline one, the short timeline, the one

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<v Speaker 2>that Carlos Baker's attorney has focused on. This timeline starts

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<v Speaker 2>with the chase, the apartment, the shot, and the two

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<v Speaker 2>minutes that followed. This footage is chaotic, but in that

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<v Speaker 2>body cam footage, Carlos is in the front and Crystal

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<v Speaker 2>is behind him. You can see them moving through the

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<v Speaker 2>stairwell toward the second four apartment. Both of them have

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<v Speaker 2>their guns out. Carlos runs into an apartment at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the hallway. Then Crystal reaches the doorway. Carlos's

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<v Speaker 2>footage shows him crouching and kicking in the door. If

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<v Speaker 2>you freeze frame, Jalen is visible, you can see him

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<v Speaker 2>jumping over a couch to hide. There was another man

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<v Speaker 2>inside as well. This man was later identified as Adrian Rucker.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the CPD, Adrian Rucker had an ar style

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<v Speaker 2>long rifle which he allegedly pointed at Carlos, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos appears to spin around and you can hear one gunshot.

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<v Speaker 3>Carlos fires.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, Crystal's body camera captures the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of the gunshot and a woman screaming. That woman was Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos's shot had not hit Jalen or Adrian. It hit

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<v Speaker 2>his partner, Crystal Rivera. Crystal was lying in a pool

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<v Speaker 2>of blood. She radioed in for assistance, but the dispatcher

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't hear her, and because she was so badly hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>she was unable to repeat that she needed help. Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>Baker's firearm fired that single shot that killed Crystal Rivera.

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<v Speaker 2>That part is not in dispute. What is disputed is

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<v Speaker 2>how and why that shot was fired. Carlos Baker, through

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney, has said this was an unintentional discharge of

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<v Speaker 2>his firearm. His attorney has described it as a split

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<v Speaker 2>second judgment call in a life or death situation. Prosecute

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<v Speaker 2>have also described the shooting as accidental, and Carlos has

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<v Speaker 2>not been charged with any crime in connection with this incident.

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<v Speaker 2>But Crystal Rivera's family does not accept the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>the word accident explains what happened, because they claim this

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<v Speaker 2>shooting has to be understood in a larger context.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Second timeline, we have to stay inside the first one,

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<v Speaker 2>because the first timeline does not end with a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 2>It continues with what Carlos Baker did next. After firing

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<v Speaker 2>that shot, Carlos ran up another flight of stairs. He

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<v Speaker 2>radioed the police that shots were fired at police, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he made a call for a ten.

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<v Speaker 3>To one, an emergency call for assistance. Shot fire, tadline,

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<v Speaker 3>shot police turn what you can hear him breathing heavily.

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<v Speaker 2>Then about thirty seconds later, Carlos calls out to Crystal,

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<v Speaker 2>asking Crystal you good.

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<v Speaker 3>Crystal, We have an ambulance. Ambulance, No, I can't get

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<v Speaker 3>my corner.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, it's silence. Crystal does not answer. Then Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>requests an ambulance. He says he can't get down to Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the footage summary, Carlos starts back down the

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<v Speaker 2>stairs again. Then he appears to hesitate and go back

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<v Speaker 2>up the stairs. Then he asks for a swat team.

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<v Speaker 2>Around two minutes after the shooting, Carlos goes back down

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs. He reaches Crystal, who is lying motionless in

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<v Speaker 2>a pool of blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Second floor. Hurry on, Christal, hear me, hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I heard the second floor.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the second poor?

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<v Speaker 2>The video shows Carlos pulling Crystal towards the stairs. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>come on and stay with me, Chris, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>other officers arrive on the scene. When they do, Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>tells the other officers to get Crystal in the car

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<v Speaker 2>and take her to the hospital. Crystal was taken to

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital where she later died. So in timeline won

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<v Speaker 2>there are really two key moments, the three seconds before

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<v Speaker 2>the shot and the two minutes after it. Carlos, Baker's

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<v Speaker 2>attorney says those first seconds are what matter most. He

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<v Speaker 2>claims that Carlos was confronting a dangerous situation with two

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<v Speaker 2>armed men inside the apartment. According to police, Jalen Arnold

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<v Speaker 2>had a loaded handgun on him and Adrian Rucker was

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<v Speaker 2>pointing an ar style long rifle at Carlos Baker when

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos fired his weapon. According to police, Carlos's attorney has

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<v Speaker 2>said when Adrian pointed that rifle at Carlos, Carlos stumbled.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when he stepped back, and that is when this

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<v Speaker 2>alleged accidental discharge happened. Carlos's attorney said Carlos was afraid

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<v Speaker 2>for his life and that his actions on the video

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<v Speaker 2>show that Carlos was acting within CPD policy. That the

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<v Speaker 2>video proved Carlos did everything in his power and used

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<v Speaker 2>his training to give aid to Crystal. The attorneys said

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<v Speaker 2>people should not blame Carlos Baker, they should blame the

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<v Speaker 2>two armed felons. The attorney says the reason Crystal died

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<v Speaker 2>is because a person decided to run from the police

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<v Speaker 2>with a loaded handgun and because another person allegedly pointed

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<v Speaker 2>a rifle at officers. Jalen Arnold was later charged with

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<v Speaker 2>armed violence, possession of a firearm by a repeat felon,

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<v Speaker 2>and possession of cocaine. After pleading guilty to unlawful possession

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<v Speaker 2>of a weapon, Jalen was sentenced to eight years in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Police later said that at the time of his arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>Adrian Rutger had six outstanding warrants on him. On July seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, Adrian Rutger was charged with several counts,

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<v Speaker 2>including possession of a controlled substance within ten to deliver,

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<v Speaker 2>possession of fraudulent identification cards, and unlawful possession of a firearm.

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<v Speaker 2>But Cristel Rivera's family looks at that same timeline and

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<v Speaker 2>sees something entirely different. It's the same footage, but they

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<v Speaker 2>have a version of events that they say raises a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new set of questions. In a lawsuit filed by

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal's family, they claim that the two minute time frame

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<v Speaker 2>when Carlos went up the stairs and left Crystal there

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<v Speaker 2>was critical. They alleged that he failed to immediately give

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<v Speaker 2>her medical aid that meant she was lying there dying,

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<v Speaker 2>when the lawsuit says her partner should have been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save her life. The family's lawsuit also questions why

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos said shots fired at police if Carlo was allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>the only person who fired a weapon. This seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be a legally important point because if Carlos believed there

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<v Speaker 2>was still an active threat, that could affect how his

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<v Speaker 2>actions were judged.

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<v Speaker 3>But the lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Claims Carlos never admitted or clarified that the shot at

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<v Speaker 2>police came from his own gun. According to the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no other gun fired during the encounter, just

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<v Speaker 2>the single shot from Carlos Baker's weapon, the shot that

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<v Speaker 2>struck and ultimately killed Crystal. Carlos Baker's attorney disputes the

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<v Speaker 2>family's characterization. He says Carlos did call for an ambulance

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<v Speaker 2>and that he went back down the stairs to try

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<v Speaker 2>to reach Crystal. Crystal's family said that was too little,

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<v Speaker 2>too late. That's why the two minutes after the shot

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<v Speaker 2>had become one of the most important parts of this case.

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<v Speaker 2>But Crystal's family said, really, the most important timeline started

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<v Speaker 2>way before the night Crystal was shot. The family has

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<v Speaker 2>said they believe you can't understand what happened on that

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<v Speaker 2>fateful night without understanding the history between Carlos and Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Carlos wasn't just Cristel's partner, he was her ex boyfriend.

0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Crystal's family lays a lot of these claims out in

0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 2>their civil lawsuit. They have filed it in Cook County

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<v Speaker 2>on behalf of Yolanda Rivera, Cristel's mother, and the administrator

0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 2>of her estate. The defendants include Carlos Baker, but also

0:17:11.360 --> 0:17:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the City of Chicago. Because the lawsuit alleges Crystal Rivera's

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<v Speaker 2>death was not only caused by Carlos's conduct on the

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<v Speaker 2>night of the shooting, It alleges that her death was

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<v Speaker 2>also the foreseeable result of the City of Chicago's negligence

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<v Speaker 2>in hiring Carlos, in supervising him, and in assigning him.

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<v Speaker 3>As Crystal's partner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to state these argist allegations. They are only

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<v Speaker 2>one side of the story and they have not been

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<v Speaker 2>proven in a court of law. The family lawsuit alleges

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<v Speaker 2>that Cristel Rivera and Carlos Baker had been an on

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<v Speaker 2>and off romantic relationship for a long time. It alleges

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship began in twenty twenty three while they were

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<v Speaker 2>working together as CPD partners, and that they dated for

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<v Speaker 2>about two years, and that officers on the police force

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<v Speaker 2>were aware of Carlos and Crystal's relationship and that they

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<v Speaker 2>had been aware of it since around September of twenty

0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. But there's more because, according to the lawsuit,

0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Crystal ended the relationship with Carlos shortly before her.

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<v Speaker 3>Death, and the reason for her ending it.

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<v Speaker 2>According to court documents, was because Carlos was quote involved

0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.520
<v Speaker 2>with another woman that Crystal learned about it, and that

0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Cristel said she intended to tell that woman about her

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with Carlos end quote. So, the lawsuit states that

0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Cristal learned about Carlos's other long term relationship with another

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<v Speaker 2>woman in February of twenty twenty five, and that in

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<v Speaker 2>May of twenty twenty five, Crystal broke.

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<v Speaker 3>Up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>But Crystal's family said they believed the timeline starts even

0:18:45.120 --> 0:18:49.800
<v Speaker 2>earlier than that because Kristal's family attorney says the Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department had quote important knowledge that Chicago police officer

0:18:54.360 --> 0:18:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Baker posed a threat to women, including Crystal. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>despite multiple citizen and pure complaints about Baker's behavior and

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Crystal's informing superiors that she thought he was reckless in

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the past. The two were paired together as partners on

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<v Speaker 2>duty end quote. So the lawsuit claims Carlos and Crystal

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<v Speaker 2>had been arguing because Cristel was about to confess to

0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Carlos's live in girlfriend that they had been in a

0:19:20.120 --> 0:19:24.960
<v Speaker 2>romantic relationship. The lawsuit states that they believed that Carlos's

0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.960
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend was unaware of his relationship with Crystal, So if

0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>these claims are true, this could potentially have been a

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<v Speaker 2>situation with a lot of potential for conflict. After Crystal

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<v Speaker 2>ended her romantic relationship with Carlos in May of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, she expressed concerns to her CPD colleagues about

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<v Speaker 2>what court documents claim were his adverse and hostile reaction

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to the breakup and his continued attempts to contact Crystal

0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.200
<v Speaker 2>outside of work about personal matters. During this time, Crystal

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<v Speaker 2>was allegedly telling Carlos she was going to tell his

0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend about their relationship, and then in the early morning

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.240
<v Speaker 2>hours of June fourth, twenty twenty five, which would have

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 2>been less than forty eight hours before Crystal's death, Carlos

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.120
<v Speaker 2>showed up at Crystal's home uninvited after she told him

0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 2>specifically not to come there. Just hours later, she would

0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.440
<v Speaker 2>die from a gunshot wound, while the lawsuit claims Carlos

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 2>quote stood by and did nothing to save her.

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Life end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>The lawsuit calls Carlos a danger to women and claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that as early as twenty twenty two that Carlos was

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<v Speaker 2>quote hostile and threatening to women outside of his professional

0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 2>capacity end quote. Carlos's attorney, Tim Gray said in a

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<v Speaker 2>statement which was reported by the Illinois Answers Project in

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<v Speaker 2>conjunction with the Chicago Sun Times that quote Officer Baker

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.480
<v Speaker 2>is heartbroken over what happened on that night and will

0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>privately process his grief. The focus should not be on

0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 2>second guessing each tactical decision made, but rather on the

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.840
<v Speaker 2>profound loss of a great police officer an equally great person.

0:21:06.360 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Policing is a dangerous profession, and it is no easy

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<v Speaker 2>task to keep the people of the city safe.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two, the lawsuit claims that a former

0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>love interest of Carlos filed a restraining order against him. Again,

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 2>none of these claims have been tested in court, but

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 2>it does bring up an interesting question about what happens

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.040
<v Speaker 2>when there's a personal relationship between two partners and things

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<v Speaker 2>go south, and whether warning signs could have been ignored.

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 2>The word partner in police work is interesting because it

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.680
<v Speaker 2>means a lot more than just work colleagues. A partner

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.640
<v Speaker 2>in police work is someone you literally have to trust

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 2>with your life every day. But a natural question that

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>comes to mind for me is when something like this happens,

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<v Speaker 2>when partners in life and partners in police work go

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<v Speaker 2>through a breakup, what's the protocol? Can they ask to

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<v Speaker 2>be reassigned? So I took a look at the CPD's

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.400
<v Speaker 2>official policy since I haven't seen any reports on this,

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out that the answer is it's complicated

0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>because there are very specific rules in play. If they're

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 2>dealing with someone who's a supervisor of someone else, officers

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.600
<v Speaker 2>are banned from having relationships with people who are below

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.160
<v Speaker 2>them on the food chain. For example, officers can't start

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>relationships with recruits. There are also rules banning sex while

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<v Speaker 2>on duty, but peer to peer relationships relationships between professional

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:42.200
<v Speaker 2>equals are more complicated. The Police State quote. While peer

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>level officers are really allowed to date, they face heavy restrictions,

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 2>including shift assignments. Partner pairings and training environments. There are

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.400
<v Speaker 2>also rules involving chain of command in general, so if

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 2>one person in a romantic relationship is promoted, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>they are supposed to formally disclose the relationship to internal

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>affairs or human resources. CBS News reported these rules exist

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<v Speaker 2>because of a few reasons. First, of all, police forces

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 2>want to dissuade people from filing hostile work environment lawsuits.

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.560
<v Speaker 2>But also if a bad breakup between officers happen, like

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 2>the one Crystal's family allege happened between her and Carlos,

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 2>this can become a major safety issue, both for the

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 2>officers involved and also for their colleagues and the general public.

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Crystal's family lawsuit claims that after her relationship with Carlos ended,

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that Crystal did express an interest to be reassigned or

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>given a different partner. It's not yet clear what those

0:23:52.120 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 2>communications were with the CPD supervisors, but on June fifth,

0:23:57.120 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, Carlos and Crystal were still working together.

0:24:01.120 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting because the lawsuit goes even further back

0:24:04.360 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and says not only should Cristal and Carlos have not

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 2>been working together that night, it alleges that by the

0:24:11.120 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Police Department allowing her to be partnered with Carlos, that

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the department put Crystal in a dangerous position before that

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>pursuit ever began. The lawsuit also focuses on Carlos's history

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:28.120
<v Speaker 2>inside the Chicago Police Department. Carlos, according to the complaint,

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 2>had accumulated at least eleven misconduct complaints in less than

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 2>three years on the force, which was a complaint history

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 2>worse than ninety five percent of CPD officers. The Chicago

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Sun Times also reported that why all Carlos was a

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>probationary officer, a woman he had dated filed a complaint

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.640
<v Speaker 2>alleging that he flashed a gun at her in December

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty two. The reporting by the Sun Times

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and the Illinois Answers Project gave more details about that incident,

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 2>stating that the woman whom Carlos was dating showed up

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>at a bar called Blue Light while she was on

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 2>a date with another man, and that Carlos showed up

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and allegedly said who the fuck is that guy, before

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 2>lifting his shirt to show a gun in his waistband.

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>So Crystal's family says these types of incidents should have

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 2>been a warning sign about what they describe as the

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>specific risk Carlos could pose to women with whom he

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>had been romantically involved. According to the lawsuit, the domestic

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>violence investigation related to the woman at the bar was

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 2>closed after a few months, and Carlos was not disciplined.

0:25:36.360 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 2>These complaints and others all happened when Carlos was still

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>a probationary officer, which meant, the lawsuit argus is that

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>this would have been a period when the CPD could

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>have more easily terminated Carlos's employment, but that didn't happen.

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Carlos stayed on the force and he was later promoted.

0:25:56.120 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>In March of twenty twenty five, Carlos was a signed

0:25:59.360 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to the sixth District Tactical Team. This was a specialized

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>unit and it's a highly sought after placement in that department.

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>The family lawsuits claimed negligent retention and negligent supervision because

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>they claimed these incidents meant the police department had chances

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to intervene here and didn't. In August of twenty twenty five,

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 2>CBS News reported Carlos was quote stripped of his police

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 2>powers after allegations he had attacked a female police officer

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>who was off duty at a restaurant in wicker Park.

0:26:32.120 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 2>The news channel also reported that following that incident, which

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>by the way, was unrelated to Crystal Rivera or the shooting,

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>that Carlos called some businesses around that bar, allegedly looking

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>for surveillance footage that showed the incident. In the summer

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five, Crystal's family held a press conference.

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 2>They claimed they didn't believe this unintentional discharge story, saying

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that it quote does not yet pass the smell test

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 2>end quote. Through his attorneys, Carlos has completely denied the

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>claims made in the lawsuit and said that Krystal's family

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>is creating their own false narrative. Carlos does have support.

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>The president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge seven,

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>also criticized Krystal's family narrative and said, in his opinion,

0:27:18.120 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 2>everything related to Carlos Baker firing his weapon occurred in

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>under three seconds. So was the relevant moment, as Carlos

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and his attorneys claimed, just those seconds in the apartment

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>building or was it everything building up to that. Was

0:27:33.120 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>this a split second tactical accident, or was it a

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>foreseeable workplace and supervisory failure. Let's go back to the video.

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Back to the chase scene. Carlo and Crystal were going

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>up the stairs. Carlos was in front, Crystal was behind him.

0:27:48.360 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Carlos got to the door first. He was standing right

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>in front of it with his gun pulled out. The

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>lawsuit A ledges Carlos kicked open the door and saw

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this person who we now know to be Adrian Rucker,

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>allegedly pointing a rifle at him, and Carlos shot, but

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 2>instead of shooting Adrian, he shot Crystal.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Crystal was shot in the back.

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 2>In April twenty twenty six, COPA released video and other

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>materials connected to the shooting, and that release included the

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>body worn camera footage from Crystal and Carlos. But even

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the video footage is controversial because Crystal's family and attorneys

0:28:26.120 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 2>have stated that they had previously viewed footage, that footage

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>was hours long, and they believed there was at least

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>one discrepancy between what they saw earlier and what was

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>released publicly. COPA have said their investigation is still ongoing.

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>The Chicago Police Department has said something similar that due

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that this is an active investigation. The

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>department would not comment further, so that means the body

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>cam footage and the release did not settle this case. Instead,

0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>it became part of the dispute. One of the hardest

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>questions in this case is intent. Did Carlos mean to fire,

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>did he know where Crystal was? Or was it purely accidental.

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>The answers have to come from evidence, including body camera footage,

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>but also a lot of other details, everything from the

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>layout of the hallway and the angle of the shots,

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>statements of other officers, prior complaints, and a lot of

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>other evidence.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Reports say Carlos.

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Has been relieved of his police powers, they don't say

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>that he was fired. They don't explain exactly what that means.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>And again, even that was reportedly due to an unrelated incident.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Krystal's family has filed this civil lawsuit, but it's just

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in the beginning stages.

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 3>We do not know whether the shooting will.

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately be treated as a tragic accident, a policy failure,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a foreseeable workplace danger, or something more. Or there could

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>be a settlement and we may never find out a

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of these details. Many police shooting cases ask what

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>happened between officers and members of the public. This one

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>asked what happened inside this police department if the family's

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>allegations are true. Crystal did what people are often told

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>to do. She raised concerns. She said she wanted to

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>be kept safe and after ending a relationship, wanted to

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>be separated from someone who her family claimed had shown

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>up at her home at least once uninvited, and the

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 2>institution that employed both of them chose to keep them together.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 2>So this raises a lot of questions about what happens

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>when one officer says another officer is reckless or unsafe,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>how misconduct complaints are treated, who is responsible for making

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 2>sure that two officers should not be assigned together, and

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>what happens when the officer raising concern is a woman

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<v Speaker 2>inside a male dominated institution. Was Crystal Rivera's death an

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<v Speaker 2>unforseeable accident in a chaotic hallway or was it the

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<v Speaker 2>final result of multiple warning signs that Chicago police ignored

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<v Speaker 2>until it was too late. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murderline is a production

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<v Speaker 2>of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and

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<v Speaker 2>narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Etily's Perez

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for a research assistance and

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Burns for legal review. Noah camer mixed and scored

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Our theme song is by Ben Sale, Executive

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<v Speaker 2>producers of Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr, and L. C.

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<v Speaker 3>Crowley.

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