Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, let make
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. So they've indicted Trump
Speaker 1: for a fourth time. What do we do about this?
Speaker 1: What can the American people do? I think this is
Speaker 1: something that needs more of our attention because with the
Speaker 1: fourth indictment, we all know now in Atlanta, the Rico
Speaker 1: racketeering forty some odd count indictment, including eighteen other people
Speaker 1: who are not Donald Trump, Vi Giuliani, Mark Meadows. With
Speaker 1: that reality, with that having happened, I think it should
Speaker 1: be clear to everybody that the system has been completely
Speaker 1: turned as a weapon against Donald Trump and politics. And look,
Speaker 1: I am actually somebody who will say that in some
Speaker 1: of this, on some of these issues, Trump has made
Speaker 1: it easier for them than he should have. Trump has
Speaker 1: not shown impeccable judgment on all of these matters.
Speaker 2: But I don't care. That's what I think has to.
Speaker 1: Be said with all this, because they're doing something now.
Speaker 1: They're showing us that there is this two tiered system
Speaker 1: of justice. They're showing us that the Democrats Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: Good on the list.
Speaker 1: They get away with things, they get away with breaking
Speaker 1: the law, and the top of their political apparatus is
Speaker 1: effectively above the law, and they're going to tell us, well,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not. And to that I just sit
Speaker 1: here and say I don't accept this, that they get
Speaker 1: to have it their way and that the Republican Party
Speaker 1: just sits there and takes it. But I also don't
Speaker 1: know what exactly the bestest pathway forward is here. And
Speaker 1: people are going to get very emotional over this. There's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of anger out there because
Speaker 1: for one thing, these trials. I just saw Dershowitz said
Speaker 1: all four trials are going to happen for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four election. That's what I've been saying all along.
Speaker 1: All four of them are going to happen before the election.
Speaker 1: All this Oh, they're going to be delayed. They're going
Speaker 1: to be delayed. I think this is for some people
Speaker 1: turning into a coping mechanism. They're not going to be delayed.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be delayed. The judges, the prosecutors,
Speaker 1: they are lined up, they're going maybe one of them
Speaker 1: will get delayed. But how many of these criminal cases
Speaker 1: do you think have to happen before we recognize there's
Speaker 1: real jeopardy here for Trump and that the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four election is already tainted, which is the point of this.
Speaker 1: We also can see and understand that I think very clearly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dershwitz is saying all four of them are going to happen.
Speaker 1: I think all four of them are like that happened.
Speaker 1: Certainly two or three of them are going to happen
Speaker 1: before the election. And I'm also hearing something out there
Speaker 1: maybe this is kind of a tough love session for
Speaker 1: the right. Oh, don't worry Trump is going to get
Speaker 1: bailed out by the Supreme Court, or don't worry Trump
Speaker 1: is just going to pardon himself from all of these things.
Speaker 2: Let's take these separately for a second. Shall we.
Speaker 1: To say, don't worry about it. Trump's gonna get pardoned
Speaker 1: by I'm sorry, Trump is going to get exonerated by
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. That I think is just not rooted
Speaker 1: in reality. I mean, it could theoretically happen, but on
Speaker 1: what basis The Supreme Court doesn't say, yeah, they brought charges,
Speaker 1: the jury heard it, the jury believed it, but we're
Speaker 1: just going to come in now and declare that that is.
Speaker 2: We don't like that jury verdict, especially state charges.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's going to happen unless there's some
Speaker 1: constitutional question that must be answered, unless there's some violation
Speaker 1: enough constitutional rights and a jury thinking that someone committed
Speaker 1: a crime that is a valid statutory crime. Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to take that up again
Speaker 1: on what basis on the basis that Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: running for office. Should they yet, Should this whole thing
Speaker 1: be completely diverted? Absolutely, you know, should we not be
Speaker 1: going through this as a country. Totally agree with all that,
Speaker 1: But I would remind everybody that some of the really
Speaker 1: the same voices that we're telling us all that Trump
Speaker 1: is going to be able to get away from all
Speaker 1: this legal ambush. Same people who are saying in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, Oh, don't worry, they're going to bring
Speaker 1: these legal charge, legal challenges, and judges are going to
Speaker 1: find for Trump, Trump actually won in Arizona. The judge
Speaker 1: will find Trump actually one. In Pennsylvania, the judge will find. Now,
Speaker 1: you can believe, and we can believe, and we can
Speaker 1: make the case about whatever we want in those states
Speaker 1: and what happened in twenty twenty. It is still technically
Speaker 1: a free country. I think you're allowed to believe things.
Speaker 1: But a judge was never going to do that. Judge
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it wasn't going to happen because
Speaker 1: of all the factors involved. And I think that when
Speaker 1: we're at our where at the point where we understand
Speaker 1: how much the prosecution has been weaponized as a tool
Speaker 1: of politics, why do we think that judges haven't been Now,
Speaker 1: I know, we've got six reasonable, We've got basically.
Speaker 2: Three or four.
Speaker 1: Excellent Supreme Court justices, and then we got a couple
Speaker 1: that are okay, and then we got three who are
Speaker 1: basically insane. So you would think that you could rely
Speaker 1: on that to be some kind of a stopgap against
Speaker 1: the craziness. But I don't see that happening. It's certainly
Speaker 1: not with a timeliness. I mean, think about this, Are
Speaker 1: they going to do this in all of these cases?
Speaker 1: Supreme Court just gonna say, uh, you know, you're not
Speaker 1: what You're not allowed to charge Donald Trump with these crimes?
Speaker 1: What's the violation of his rights that would have occurred?
Speaker 1: What's the constitutional violation that will have occurred? Again, I
Speaker 1: think it's all crap. But I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: ready for I've been the one who's been saying now
Speaker 1: for you know, over a year, he's going to get indicted.
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming. I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: gonna go they're going to do all four. But once
Speaker 1: the Brag indictment happened in New York is I'd see
Speaker 1: that's the purpose of that indictment was to pave the
Speaker 1: way for all the others, because he knows there's no Brag,
Speaker 1: knows there's no consequences for that abuse of his power
Speaker 1: in New York. In fact, he's just gonna benefit from it,
Speaker 1: even if he loses, which I think he probably will,
Speaker 1: to bookkeeping error. It is a bookkeeping error. That is
Speaker 1: that they're charging thirty times for the same error. It
Speaker 1: is completely insane, but it's criminal charge against a presidential
Speaker 1: candidate and former president. So once that's happened, now people
Speaker 1: start to say, you know what I'm getting at here
Speaker 1: is the overtin window. The framework for what is acceptable
Speaker 1: for us to talk about or what we can think
Speaker 1: is going to happen. That is shifting all the time here.
Speaker 1: And as it shifts, I think the voices who are
Speaker 1: saying no, no, no, don't worry, don't worry. They're not
Speaker 1: going to go all the way. They're not serious about this.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: They are going to go all the way. They are
Speaker 1: serious about this. This isn't a game to them. They
Speaker 1: are seeking the destruction of Donald Trump and with it,
Speaker 1: a victory in twenty twenty four and four more years.
Speaker 2: Of a Biden regime.
Speaker 1: Notice, I've also been very consistent on it's going to
Speaker 1: be Joe Biden and a lot of people, you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're out there and they get a lot of attention. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's going to be some other Democrat or something. It's
Speaker 1: not unless Joe Biden has a stroke or has some
Speaker 1: health issue.
Speaker 2: That's real.
Speaker 1: They're just going to run him again because he's gonna
Speaker 1: run against Trump. And what is the campaign. We don't
Speaker 1: even talk about policy anymore. We we're not even having
Speaker 1: a conversation about what the policy differences would be between
Speaker 1: any of the Republican candidates and between the Democrats and
Speaker 1: the Republicans at the national level. No, no one's sitting
Speaker 1: here saying what is the big difference that's being discussed
Speaker 1: these days between a Trump and Biden presidency. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there wouldn't be big differences, but it's not focused
Speaker 1: on policy. It's all about the prosecutions, all about the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election in January sixth, and the criminal trials
Speaker 1: and now Hunter Biden, the reality of the Biden crime family.
Speaker 2: But this is it's just this this food fight going on.
Speaker 2: What's the plan for healthcare for Republicans?
Speaker 1: I ask you this honestly, you know, speaking to speaking
Speaker 1: to the family here for a second.
Speaker 2: What is there? What is the Trump healthcare plan? What
Speaker 2: is and don't tell me?
Speaker 1: Oh, if you go on someone's website, and if you
Speaker 1: go on if you go on Vivaq's website or Nicki
Speaker 1: Hanley's website, they have their health care policy. No, no, if
Speaker 1: we're not if we don't know about it, if the base,
Speaker 1: if the Republican Party is not talking about it, does
Speaker 1: it even matter? Because how can we have the marketplace
Speaker 1: of ideas functioning without the ideas? No, it's it's just
Speaker 1: turned into these warring political mechanisms. And unfortunately Democrats are
Speaker 1: more unified, they play dirtier, they're more ruthless.
Speaker 2: So I don't feel.
Speaker 1: Good about how it's gonna turn out for our side
Speaker 1: on the current trajectory of what's going on here. You know,
Speaker 1: I guess it's these days increasingly just the say you
Speaker 1: just tell people in this in the business of commentary
Speaker 1: or being you know, a writer, a radio guy, a
Speaker 1: TV guy, whatever, you're supposed to just tell people the
Speaker 1: easiest thing for them to hear. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that because I want us to win. And the
Speaker 1: fact that people get upset it's amazing to me, actually,
Speaker 1: how many people have gotten upset at me for saying
Speaker 1: things that were meant to get us ready for what
Speaker 1: was coming, and then I was right, And then they
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't say, wow, I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: got so angry at you for talking about the indictments
Speaker 1: before they happened, because they were obviously going to happen,
Speaker 1: at least obviously in your mind. No, that's not the case.
Speaker 1: I get told, you know, oh, you're so defeated. I'm
Speaker 1: not defeatist. I want us to win. And if the
Speaker 1: plan is relying on the Supreme Court. And now I'm
Speaker 1: even seeing people, people are are all over the place
Speaker 1: now on the internet. They're saying, oh, well, maybe Trump
Speaker 1: could pardon himself from the state charges in Georgia too.
Speaker 1: What So the plan is Trump gets through all these
Speaker 1: criminal trials that are likely to happen before the election,
Speaker 1: None of that damages in politically, none of that slows
Speaker 1: down his campaign in away the chain anything, and then
Speaker 1: he wins and then pardons himself from everything. Where has
Speaker 1: the DJ people keep saying, oh, the DJ will just
Speaker 1: drop charges if he wins. Yeah, bomb him and probably
Speaker 1: pardon myself, probably make sure that everything was taken off
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've.
Speaker 1: Never even let's say that that idea, that theory is correct,
Speaker 1: that he could parton himself from state charges. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, that would mean that the president could could
Speaker 1: truly and literally murder somebody and you couldn't bring a
Speaker 1: state charge against that person.
Speaker 2: You So, how does that work?
Speaker 1: Oh, well, then the other Congress will remove and then
Speaker 1: you know, really that's the system we have now. So
Speaker 1: you're saying, you're you're truly above a lat It's one
Speaker 1: thing to be the head of the federal government. To
Speaker 1: say the federal government can't prosecute the head of the
Speaker 1: federal government, that's part of the constitutional argument that's being
Speaker 1: made or has been made about this in the past.
Speaker 1: It's a very different thing to say you can't be prosecuted.
Speaker 2: For any reason for the president.
Speaker 1: That's that that's that's interesting, that that would be, that
Speaker 1: would be a new one. I I haven't heard that
Speaker 1: argument before. I'm seeing people making that argument. And I again,
Speaker 1: even if it's correct, that's that's the best we've got.
Speaker 2: What happens if Trump loses?
Speaker 1: Does I dinyt want to think about that. He goes
Speaker 1: to prison for a long time. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess I just want everyone to be honest about what's
Speaker 1: happening here. And I think there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: the right is falling into this, uh at some some.
Speaker 2: People, not everybody, not not you.
Speaker 1: But I'm seeing it this denial, denihalism of what's going on.
Speaker 1: And they've gone all in, all in against Trump on this.
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Speaker 1: to think of how we figure this out, what we
Speaker 1: do about it. Fourth indictment, So we're going to have
Speaker 1: and I agree with Rshchwitz who says there's going to
Speaker 1: be all these trials, probably before the election. So we've heard, Oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry, they're all going to get delayed. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: going to be all these motions. It's going to delay everything,
Speaker 1: so it'll be after the election. I think that's wrong,
Speaker 1: and I think if we're relying on that, we're probably
Speaker 1: going to be very disappointed about the outcome. Oh don't worry,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court will step in.
Speaker 2: Really, that's what we're hoping for here.
Speaker 1: You know, this is what we're effectively gambling the presidency
Speaker 1: on this. That's what's going on right now. If we're wrong,
Speaker 1: if the base is wrong, if the Republican Party gets
Speaker 1: this calculation incorrect, then you've got former years of Biden.
Speaker 1: You will have eight years of a Biden administration. So
Speaker 1: the stakes are obviously very high. I mean, Trump does
Speaker 1: have a superhuman ability to push through everything that the
Speaker 1: enemy throws at him and doesn't even really you know,
Speaker 1: you don't even see. It doesn't seem like it even
Speaker 1: bothers him, which I for indictments, he could if he
Speaker 1: were to be convicted of all of these and get
Speaker 1: the maximum. I know he won't, but it's just an
Speaker 1: interesting theoretical point, kind of a sobering theoretical point. He
Speaker 1: could go to prison for over one hundred years, and
Speaker 1: I know that's absurd, but just goes to show you
Speaker 1: how much the mass, the volume, the size of what
Speaker 1: they're throwing at him really is. So then I just
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we have the plan
Speaker 1: in place. I guess it's the best legal team possible.
Speaker 1: Trump showing the discipline necessary to keep from being put
Speaker 1: in prison by a judge in pre trial because of violating, say,
Speaker 1: the courts orders. I think the DC judge, for example,
Speaker 1: would easily put Trump in pre trial confinement or keep
Speaker 1: him in prison for a period of time while he
Speaker 1: waiting to be tried. I think that's very possible. So
Speaker 1: he can't just say whatever he wants out there.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting here trying to come up with how
Speaker 1: this all has a happy ending, And the only thing
Speaker 1: that I guess I can think of is Trump gets
Speaker 1: four four acquittals, goes on to win, and then is
Speaker 1: able to have a presidency, where I would assume at
Speaker 1: that point the men would truly just go scorched earth
Speaker 1: and try to set things right and almost like a
Speaker 1: Shakespearean drama, you know, finally before the end in his
Speaker 1: last four years or as president his second term, he
Speaker 1: tries to set everything right that was against him in
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Speaker 1: Biden's gonna get held to account. No chance in my mind,
Speaker 1: no chance. The special counsel is gonna sit on this
Speaker 1: run out the clock. Nothing's going to happen to him.
Speaker 1: Special counsel was just for the optics. Actually, it allows
Speaker 1: them to re establish control of the narrative. So if
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Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: We need a plan, folks, and we need to be
Speaker 1: thinking about it right now, because when you're in a state,
Speaker 1: as a country, when you're in a situation where your
Speaker 1: chief political rival is getting prosecuted, or rather they're prosecuting
Speaker 1: our guy, what do you think is next after that?
Speaker 1: And they're already going for his lawyers, the people around him,
Speaker 1: people involved the cutting.
Speaker 2: Them, people who supported the president.
Speaker 1: You know, all of a sudden, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I feel like some of us in conservative DYA maybe
Speaker 1: getting some audits.
Speaker 2: You know, under the first year of.
Speaker 1: The new Biden term, if that happens, If that happens,
Speaker 1: and we will not hopefully be in that position, because
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe Trump is able to pull off
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Speaker 1: time and run the gamut and just do it. But
Speaker 1: it's really just relying on him as a superhuman force
Speaker 1: of nature. In politics because what they have thrown against
Speaker 1: him right now for indictments. Ah, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody can see this and not
Speaker 1: recognize that the other side's playing for keeps. So pray
Speaker 1: for Trump that he can get through this and figure
Speaker 1: it all out.
Speaker 2: And I'll continue to think about what the what the
Speaker 2: ways are here of you.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know. Maybe they're Republicans in the House
Speaker 1: could do something a little pressure on the situation here
Speaker 1: that might be helpful. You know, they're in charge if
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