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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. So they've indicted Trump

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Speaker 1: What can the American people do? I think this is

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Speaker 2: But I don't care. That's what I think has to.

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Speaker 1: Be said with all this, because they're doing something now.

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Speaker 1: They're showing us that there is this two tiered system

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Speaker 1: They get away with things, they get away with breaking

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Speaker 1: that he could parton himself from state charges. Well, first

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