1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: A gorgeous mother of three goes missing, her family distraught 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: what happened to Maya Millette? End of the last hours 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: a major break in the case as the family hung 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: out in the wind and twisted their hands trying to 5 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: find Maya MILLETI I want you to hear something. I 6 00:00:37,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: want you to hear Maya herself listen and dreams. I 7 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: could listen to her play the guitar and sing all day. 8 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: And what is haunting me right now is the fact 9 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: that her children, three children. Lazarus has just turned five, 10 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: may Alannie has just turned ten, Laura may is just eleven. 11 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: Can you imagine what the children have been going through 12 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: without their mother. They've got the pictures, they've got her clothes, 13 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: they can listen to her recordings, but they don't have her. 14 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: So when I hear her singing and playing her guitar, 15 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: it's very bittersweet. Again. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 16 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me an all 17 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of the breaking news we 18 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: are just getting right now. First of all, Paul Best, 19 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: reporter joining us from Fox News and Fox Business. Joseph 20 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood 21 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and start of a brand 22 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: new hit series on iHeart podcast Body Bags with Joe 23 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Founder and director of the Coalcase Research Institute, 24 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. You can find her at Coalcasecrimes dot org. 25 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall's Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us out 26 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: of La. She's the star of a new Netflix series, 27 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: Bling Empire. Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor in Lawrence County, now 28 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: a private practor practice, author of The Executioner's Toll, Richard 29 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: Juliet with me a family member and joining me is 30 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: Maya Sister Mary Chris, Mary Chris. I can't imagine what 31 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: you the family have been through. Guys. Before we start 32 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: with Mary Chris, take a listen to Abbie Alfred cbs 33 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: Ne's eight thirty nine year old Maya Mullett, who also 34 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: goes by may A Rule Vista, mother of three, who 35 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: has not been seen since Friday, January eighth. It's been 36 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a nightmare, it's been it's been faithful heart raking her 37 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: sister Mary Chris. Julie says that Maya's nine year old 38 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: daughters are her last inside there Sa Miguel Ranch home. 39 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: Her family says that her jeep and Lexus are still 40 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: parked at the house. She's always on her phone, but 41 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: her phone was been off like the whole day Friday. Mmmmm, 42 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean right there, Paul, Bess, you and I have 43 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: gone round and round and round about Maya. She's last 44 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: seen in the home, according to her own children. Now see, 45 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: I have two children, and I'm sure they could tell 46 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: you Paul the last time that they me. He's just 47 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: a couple of hours ago. They could probably tell you 48 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: what I was wearing and vice versa. So you've got 49 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: the children saying this is where mommy is, and you've 50 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: got her jeep and the vehicles are still in the garage. 51 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: That should be a big tip off. Right there where 52 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: is Maya? Yeah? Absolutely. The San Diego County District Attorney 53 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of laid out those curious movements on January seventh. 54 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: They actually she actually described a triggering event quote on 55 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: January seventh, Maya's last phone call to a divorce attorney 56 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: on that day. Later that night, around eight pm, Maya 57 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: sent her last messages to a Facebook group for her family. 58 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: Around eight or so PM, and then her phone activity 59 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: stopped Paul's for the last time ever on January eighth, 60 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: just hours later at one thirty AM. Okay, hold on, 61 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Ryan there, Paul Bass. I'm trying taking all the information 62 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: you're giving me. Paul Best has been on the story 63 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: from the very beginning Fox News and Fox Business reporter. 64 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: So she was using her phone, texting and sending messages 65 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: the evening before she disappears. Is that right, Paul Best? Yes, 66 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: And you know what, Cheryl McCollum, we're seeing this right 67 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: now in the Gabby Petito Brian Laundry manhunt, where cell 68 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: phones and use of electronic devices may crack the case. 69 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: And here we have her there at home the night 70 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Her children say, mommy was home. 71 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: That's when I saw her last. It's not like she 72 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: went hiking. It's not like she went to the mall. 73 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: It's not like she went out for a jog. We 74 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: don't have any of that. Do you remember, um, Sherry 75 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Peppini what wasn't her first name, Sherry? And she went 76 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: jogging and we knew that because she had told her 77 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: husband she was going jogging. So we need ship where 78 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: she was for instance, on Long Island jogger Karina Vatranto, 79 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: she said to her parents, Hey, I'm gonna go jogging. 80 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: We knew where she went. Here the children are telling 81 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: us mommy's home the last time they see her. She's 82 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: using her phone the night before. That tells me a lot. 83 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Everything in her world was okay at that time. Yes, no, Well, 84 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: these patterns are very important, the patterns of her being 85 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: on social media throughout the day when she was not 86 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: taking care of the children. She had a habit of 87 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: contact in her family every single day, and if anybody 88 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: contacted her, she would respond fairly quickly. What's concerning a 89 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: little bit is, yes, the children are saying that she's 90 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: home and that she's been home, but they're not seeing her. 91 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: You're jet on, you're dat on. You know what. Wherever 92 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: I am the twins find me. If I'm back in 93 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: my room researching, if I'm up front of the kitchen, 94 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: wherever i am they find me. I'll see the door 95 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: crack and they look here. I mean, they will find you. 96 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: But they didn't see mommy, but they say she was there, 97 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: So what gives with that? Take a listen to our 98 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: cut number five. This is Vanessa van hyped ABC ten. 99 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: It appears she took her phone but is not responding. 100 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: I like, I says to her. You know, I don't 101 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: know if she's getting there, but say or call someone 102 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: came her jeep. It's still at home and no one 103 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: has seen or heard from her. Maybe one of her 104 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: friends could. And you know, Maya works as a defense 105 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: contractor at Naval Base San Diego. It didn't show up 106 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: for work on Monday. I call her boss. Didn't even 107 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: walk here. And that's the other alarments part, because work 108 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: for her is like party part of her, that's her outlet. 109 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Milie Ate says he will continue to search anxiously awaiting, 110 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: but I don't even know what d it is. That's 111 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: how speaking guy to feel that, you know, Okay, right there, 112 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: and you see me exchanging sideways glances with Jackie here 113 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: in the studio, because I mean, I'm just telling you 114 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: right there, Doctor Bethany, if you don't know if your 115 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: wife went to a wine tasting or whether she went hiking, 116 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: then you've got a very big communications problem, because if 117 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna go wine tasting, it's got to be at 118 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: a wine event or a vineyard. You're going to need 119 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: somebody to drive you home, a way to get home. 120 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: If I were going to go to a wine tasting, 121 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: I probably would take my husband with me. Also, if 122 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: I'm going hiking, you say, hey, I'm going hiking on 123 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: X the trail. You have the gear, you're dressed to 124 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: go hiking. So when your husband says something like, well, 125 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: she either went to a wine tasting or she went hiking, 126 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: and I think her friends picked her up. Now, unless David, 127 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: my husband, has me totally fooled. He's at work right now. 128 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: He is working on something that I consider to be 129 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: incredibly boring, some business deal. That's what I think he is. 130 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure because when he left he had on 131 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: a business looking outfit. He had his backpack with all 132 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: of his research and blah blah blah, a lot of 133 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: paper stuffed in there. And he called in route and said, 134 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm on my way to work. How does this guy 135 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: not know if his wife went hiking or to a 136 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: wine tasting, Nancy, There's so many clues our spouses give us. 137 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, my husband's a judge. I knew when he 138 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: left for work this morning that he had a trial. 139 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: I knew what the trial was. About I had a 140 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: sense of when the trial was going to end. Cheryl 141 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: McCollum said something very important that there are patterns in life. 142 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: There's patterns to social media, to her social media. If 143 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: she was supposed to go to a wine tasting, there 144 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: would be a pattern of care for the four year 145 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: old child, who's going to care for the four year old, 146 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: who's going to care for the ten or eleven year old. 147 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: There would be a pattern of friendship, texting the friends, 148 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: arranging the rides home. You know, when somebody, either in 149 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: this case the husband, gives too many details, I think 150 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: they're lying, or when their story holds that's very vague, 151 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: they're lying. But the dichotomy if she's either gone hiking 152 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: or to a wine tasting, that doesn't even make sense 153 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: to me. What are you going to wear your hiking 154 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: boots and your shorts and all your gear and your 155 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: backpack and your helmet whatever you're going to take to 156 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: a wine tasting and a big party? Okay? And with 157 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: the wine tasting you have friends, right, so there would 158 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: be friends who would have been with her. You don't 159 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: go wine tasting alone? Yeah? What friend? What friend picked 160 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: her up? And don't they have a ring, doorbell or 161 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: surveillance in the neighborhood or the home where you see 162 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: who comes to pick them up. I want to go 163 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: out to our very special guests joining us. It's Maya's sister, Mary, 164 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Chris and Richard, Juliet and guys, I feel like I 165 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: know you because we have been studying this and trying 166 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: to figure out her disappearance like a Rubik's cube for 167 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: so many months now. A lot of prayers have gone 168 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: up regarding the disappearance of your sister Mary Chris, and 169 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: I've got to ask the question. I may not know 170 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: everything my husband's doing all day long. I may not 171 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: want to know everything he's doing all day long, but 172 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: I know this. We have the twins covered. We know 173 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: who's taking them to school, we know who's picking them up, 174 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: who's taking them to the Orthodonis and to Scouts and 175 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: to this and to that. It's covered. Nobody goes anywhere 176 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: without the twins being covered. So who would take care 177 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: of these babies now five, ten and eleven? Yeah, you know, 178 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: um ninety at that time, you know it's been just 179 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: to them. Larry and my sister is taking care of 180 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: the kids. But you know, um that segment from from 181 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Larry Is and totally a lot. Um. We knew that 182 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: since the beginning. Um, and you mean about the hiking 183 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: and the wine tasting. Yeah, yeah, you know she's she's 184 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: not considering this day. That weekend is her daughter's eleventh birthday. 185 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, whoa wait wait, you just jogged my memory 186 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: memory Mary Chris with me is my sister Mary Chris, 187 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: and you and I talked about the birthday. Can I 188 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: tell you the drama surrounding the twins upcoming birthday, the planning, 189 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: the invites, the evites, is that the pizza the birthday. 190 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: That's an ordeal grande. That's like a Broadway production. From 191 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: what I remember, Maya really planned out the birthday and 192 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: there is no way in h e double l she's 193 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: gonna go get a snoop fill at the wine taste 194 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: and when she's supposed to be doing the birthday. I 195 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: remember that distinctly. Tell me about the birthday plans for 196 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: the eleven year old, right, it's a snowboarding event for 197 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: the family. We were going to take them to to 198 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: be their resort here in California. So, um, that's her 199 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: eleven year old, that's what she wants to want, you know, 200 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: the outdoor stuff. She's very active, so she wants to 201 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: go snowboarding and she had planned it to celebrate with family. 202 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: We rented a cabin and Big Bear and for her 203 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: to you know, not do anything or tell us anything 204 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: about about that birthday party that if it's canceled or 205 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: anything like that, you know, she could have told us. 206 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: And she's not going to you know, to any wine 207 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: pasting or any hypeing at that time. She's looking forward 208 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: and celebrating her daughter's eleventh birthday. You know, I found 209 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: something very interesting that Chryl McCollum said, and she's absolutely correct. 210 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven Tyler if you 211 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: would play that. This is Abby offered from CBS News eight. 212 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Cheryl pointed out the children said Mommy's home, but they 213 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: didn't see her. Listen. Mary Chris says that her sister's 214 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: bedroom was locked and she wasn't inside. Her sister confirms 215 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: that Larry and might have argued the night before she 216 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: went missing, but didn't say about what policity that Larry 217 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: is cooperating. They searched the house twice and have not 218 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: found evidence of a crime. And I'm not issued search warrants, 219 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: but have several detectives investigating Maya's disappearance. It's so pretty. 220 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: His family says that she loved the outdoors, hiking and 221 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: adored her kids. She's fun loving, She's absolutely keep us 222 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: going despite being active outdoors and online. Police say she's 223 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: left no digital footprint. No digital footprint. I want to 224 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: go back to Mary, Chris Juli and Richard Juli. Let 225 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: me understand, Richard, what does this mean that she is 226 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: at home but the bedroom was locked. Yeah, I guess. Larry, 227 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: my brother in law, went out there Friday and jack 228 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: on his sister, and when he got there, Larry said 229 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: that she had been in her room for eleven hours 230 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: that Friday, which is kind of odd because the kids. 231 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: You get to think, who's seeing the kids, who's seeing 232 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: things ready for the weekend. But he knew that there 233 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: was a big argument on Thursday, so he kind of 234 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: just left it alone. Maybe she just needed, you know, 235 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: to air out, or just wanted some time alone. So 236 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: it's just it's weird that that Larry didn't check up 237 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: on her. He wasn't even concerned about her. Well, Dean, Uh, 238 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: that Friday. It was just kind of like Okay, it's 239 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: been one day, what's going on? But my brother went 240 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: checked it out and then he said, yeah, she's in 241 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: her room. She's locked. And the next day my father 242 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: in law Saturday morning, my father in law went to 243 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: check on his daughter and Larry magically had the keys 244 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: to open up the door that Saturday morning. And when 245 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: we why didn't they just not well, I think they did, 246 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: but she just kind of I guess it was more 247 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: like giving them the benefit of the doubt that you know, 248 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: maybe she just needed some time off because there was 249 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: a big argument and he didn't want to intervene in 250 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: their relationship that much, A big argument about what. I 251 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not sure on that darning you know, yes, 252 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: yes I knew. Um. Okay, so um there's again you know, 253 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. It's been around um you know, um, I 254 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: mean it's been a rocky relationship with them. So um, 255 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: there's in an issue. You know, it's you know, it's 256 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: going to be out there anyway. So I'm not going 257 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: to sugarclot on my sister. You know, they she was 258 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: linked to someone at work. Okay, wait, are you trying 259 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: to tell me the husband thought she was having an affair. Well, no, 260 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: she's not, you know, it wasn't confirmed, but he is 261 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: accusing her. Okay, so they're having a fight because he's 262 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: suspicious of a coworker. Correct, Okay, now, but I don't 263 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: get it's why they don't just on the door, Tyler, 264 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: please play our cut twelve. This is an investigative producer 265 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: or CBS News eight, David Gofferdson. I went in the 266 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: house and I immediately noticed the windows, all little bit 267 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: of fans on full blasts. Was chilly in the house. 268 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: Attorney Billy Little went inside the Chula Vista home of 269 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: Maya Millett on Monday, January eleventh and conducted a walkthrough 270 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: with her husband Larry, days after the woman went missing. 271 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I was mostly at that point scene if I can 272 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: smell anything, if I smell any bleach, her smell, the 273 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: smell of a dead body, and of course there's absolutely 274 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: no smell. Family members confirmed they contacted a little to 275 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: help them find the missing mother of three. When I 276 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: went to the bedroom, immediately noticed a whole probably ten 277 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: inches long by about six eight inches tall, rectangular shape 278 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: that have been freshly repaired. Okay, wait a minute, so 279 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: there's a big hole in the bedroom door that has 280 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: just been repaired. Her sister, her brother, all very disturbed. 281 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: The children say, Mommy's home, but nobody can see her. 282 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: She won't answer the bedroom door. Tyler, please play our 283 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: cut thirteen again. David Gottfitsen. For months now, Little has 284 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: been collecting evidence, including hundreds of text messages sent in 285 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: twenty twenty by Maya's husband, Larry, to friends and family. 286 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: He started by complaining to family members, started by accusing 287 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: his wife of having May of having an affair, going 288 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: to her supervisor, insisting that male co workers being moved, 289 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: with absolutely no evidence that there was no affair going on. 290 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: Some of the messages included photos. This one looks like 291 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: an altar with lit candles. Others include biblical quotes talking 292 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: about adulterous women, like this one saying her feet go 293 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: down to death, her steps lead straight to the grades. 294 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: And started ramping up as twenty twenty went on, and 295 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: as may started moving more and more towards a divorce, 296 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: he became more and more desperate. Little says, the day 297 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Maya contacted a divorce attorney is the last day anybody 298 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: heard from her. I am very very concerned and was concern. 299 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: When I first heard about this, I guess hate shrine 300 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: built to Maya. Do you did you describe that for me? Mary, 301 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Chris and I everyone else I didn't see you know 302 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: or I've getten non until you know it's jonehun on 303 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: the news, hold on, Paul Best, can you describe it 304 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: for me? M yeah, Nancy. So apparently in September twenty twenty, Larry, 305 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: as the district attorney lad out yesterday, started displaying increasingly 306 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: erratic behavior. He created the shrine in September twenty twenty 307 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: that had a picture of the couple in the middle 308 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: surrounded by candles, and then what appears to be either 309 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: blood splatter or red candle wax around the picture. It's 310 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: very bizarre. And then also quickly to note, around October, 311 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: November December of twenty twenty, Larry apparently started in listing 312 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: spell casters. Okay, what spell casters? Yeah. The district attorney 313 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: said yesterday that around December of twenty twenty that became 314 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: much more threatening. Larry started trying to catch spells on 315 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: Maya that she would have broken bones or getting an 316 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: accident so that she could stay home. And then also 317 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: just if we could go back for a second to 318 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Larry kind of idea that there was another man involved, 319 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: which is again, like Marka said, is unconcerned, but this 320 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: is coming from him apparently on January ninth. Wait, do 321 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: you actually think, Paul Best that I'm going to take 322 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: the word of a guy that creates a hate shrine 323 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: and hires spellcasters to break his wife's bones so she'll 324 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: stay home from work. Mary Chris, I was mortified when 325 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I found out he would call her supervisor at work 326 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and insist that a male coworker be transferred. Can you 327 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: even imagine your husband calling your boss and insisting some 328 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: guy you're not dating, and he's insisting the guy be transferred. 329 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: How embarrassing to start with. And now, did you have 330 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: any idea he was hiring a spellcaster to put spells 331 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: on his wife? Yeah, I good mentioned how desperate he became. 332 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: You know it was in a way, you know, I 333 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: still unable to wrap my mind around it. How you 334 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: know how got behaviorally? Did I ever let onto you 335 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: what he was up to his bizarre behavior? No? No, 336 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: she she was still trying to protect him. Oh gosh, guys, 337 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: In the last hours, there is breaking news in this 338 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: search for Maya take a listen to our cut twenty two. 339 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: This is our longtime co worker and friend at Inside Edition, 340 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: Jim Murray. It's a jarring moment for least from the 341 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: night a Mom disappeared. You can hear six loud bangs 342 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: that sound like gunshots. The terrifying audio was captured on 343 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: a neighbors through Baila camera at NPM. Missing Mom Maya, 344 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Miliet's neighbor provided the recording to KFMBTV San Diego. Maya's 345 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: sister says she shared an ominous premonition that something might 346 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: happen to her and who would be responsible. She did 347 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: said she if anything happens to her, you might be 348 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: might be her husband. Maya and Larry were high school 349 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: sweethearts and had been married for twenty one years, but 350 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: she was reportedly ready to end the marriage and had 351 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: scheduled an appointment with a divorce attorney the same day 352 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: she disappeared. She said that she's filing for the divorce, 353 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: and then that she said it's going to be a 354 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: nasty divorce. To Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer joining US 355 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: former prosecutor and author, Matthew we all know the statistics. 356 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: The most dangerous time for a woman, an abused woman, 357 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: whether it's emotionally, verbally, or physically, it's when she finally 358 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: decides to leave, but she finally takes that step, calls 359 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: a divorce attorney, demands a divorce, wants to break up. 360 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: That is a single most dangerous time for a woman 361 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. Yes, no, well, no question about that, Nancy, 362 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a coincidence that she disappears 363 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: on the day that she makes this call to a 364 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: divorce attorney. You know, we see erratic behavior bild up 365 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: to this and then all of a sudden, you know, 366 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: she gathers the strengths to call an attorney to discuss 367 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: divorce and she disappears. So so I don't think that 368 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: that's the coincidence in any way, the timing of that, 369 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: and it certainly lends itself, you know, to this whole 370 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: idea that that is when a woman is most vulnerable 371 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: in terms of domestic violence and or in this case, 372 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: possibly murder. Take a list of our cut twenty four 373 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: rock Saint Kennedy the chief of police. Today at eleven 374 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: forty two am, the Lives the Police of Art was 375 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: swat team surge and arrest Horrant and arresting Larry and 376 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: meeting for Larry was taken into Tusti's home and was 377 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: alone at the time of his arrest. And I know 378 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: many of you are all very concerned about me. Children. 379 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: I want you to know at their state, I hear 380 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: the cheering and the happiness at the announcement that Maya's husband, 381 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Larry Milette, has been arrested. But that's not the end 382 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: of the story. Take Ales SNAr Cut twenty three, NBC seven. 383 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: The district attorney says that she filed the case against 384 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Milette yesterday and then he was there. He was charged 385 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: with the murder of his wife. He was also charged 386 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: with the possession of the illegal assault breakfume. This morning 387 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: at eleven forty two, he was arrested at his home 388 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: with the help of the US Marshals and the FBI. 389 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: He's currently being held right now in jail without bond. Now, 390 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: the DA laid out a litany of facts, However, most 391 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: of their case is circumstantial. What they don't have is 392 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: are the remains of may But what they do have, 393 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: according to the district attorney, is proof is no longer 394 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: alone for nine months. There is no fools of life. 395 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: She went on to say later, may Milette had a 396 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: bank account and had money in it, and over the 397 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: nine months, she's never touched it. That she's never posted 398 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: on social media, she's never texted, her called, even though 399 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: she's a person that would call family members daily. So 400 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: when she talks about proof of life, what she means 401 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: to say is there is no proof that she is 402 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: still alive. Straight out to Maya sister, Mary Chris, Mary, Chris, Julia, 403 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: you have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but what you 404 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: don't have is Maya's body. Why we can we can't 405 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: find her? You know she did I don't know he 406 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: could tell Katy Boy of her um. It's just been horrible, 407 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: but you know, we have to continue looking for her. 408 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: We're going to be searching for her a soul a 409 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: sty This is just the beginning again. And now that 410 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: we have more leads, we've got to find that body. 411 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: We've got to find the body because when this case 412 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: goes to court, the jury might think she's dead, but 413 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: the state has to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. 414 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: And yes, a case can be prosecuted without a body, 415 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: but I do not want this guy to slip through 416 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: the fingers of justice. Where is Maya? Paul Best joining 417 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: me Fox? And he used an Fox Business Paul again, 418 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You hear Mary Chris's voice, 419 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: You hear Richard Juliet's voice. They're exhausted there at the 420 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: end of their rope. This has been months and months 421 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: and months trying to get answers and they can't find 422 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: the body. Why is that? What am I hearing about him? 423 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: Driving for what? Eleven hours the night or around the time? 424 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Yeah. So on Friday Jane Varry eight, 425 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: the day after Maya apparently disappeared, he left with his 426 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: youngest son around seven am. He told police that he 427 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: went to Salana Beach, but he was gone for eleven hours. 428 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: In twenty minutes, he skipped work. His boss was calling Maya, 429 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: calling Larry's dad trying to figure out where he was, saying, 430 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: this isn't like Larry. He left his phone at home 431 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: so that there was no way to track him. And 432 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: then I do want to say, just to quickly give 433 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: you a sense of how wide the area is that 434 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: authorities are currently searching for Maya's remains. Which, as you 435 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: just alluded to, is going to be key in this 436 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: case when it eventually does go to trial. The district 437 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: attorney said yesterday that the navigation system on Larry's Lexus 438 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: that he was driving for eleven hours on that Friday, 439 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: registered a quote navigation event two and a half hour 440 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: before he returned home, and that navigation event was for 441 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: his home address. So basically, what police are saying is 442 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: that there is a two and a half hour drive 443 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: radius around the two of easta home that he shared 444 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: with his wife, where her remains could potentially be. That's 445 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: according to police, and that's a big area. To the east, 446 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: you can get to u May, Arizona, and two hours 447 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: to the north, you can get to Los Angeles in 448 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: two and a half hours, and then of course to 449 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: the northeast there's countless state and national parks and wilderness. 450 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: So it's a white search area right now. Let's bring 451 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: in professor of forensics jacksonvill State University, host of a 452 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: brand new hit series on iHeart podcast, Bodybags, which Jose 453 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: to Scott Morgan. Just Scott, do you know how I 454 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: feel when somebody says they only have circumstantial evidence? Let 455 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: me remind everybody under the law, the black and white 456 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: letter of the law, and this is read verbatim to 457 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the jury before the jury begins deliberations. Circumstantial evidence is 458 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: as probitive as powerful as direct evidence, such as an eyewitness, 459 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: a fingerprint, or DNA. It is considered to be as 460 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: powerful as direct evidence under the law. So when somebody says, well, 461 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: there's only circumstantial evidence, that's a line of bs. But 462 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: I will admit I'd rather have direct evidence too. So 463 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, that's where you come in. How are we 464 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: going to prove this case? Yeah, you know, there's a bit, 465 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: there's a bit of information that I was curious about. 466 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: My understanding is that I guess it was probably the 467 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: eighth the family allegedly went to the home, or maybe 468 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: it was the tenth I can recall, and there they 469 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: saw bath mats being drawed out, they saw trash cans 470 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: being drawed out, and there was a distinctive smell of bleach. Okay, wait, wait, 471 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: let's let's confirm that. Richard drew Ali and Mary Chris 472 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: drew Ala, what can you tell me about that we 473 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: were there Sunday? I, well, we actually were there Saturday night. Um, 474 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, the bed was cleaner, you know. Um, the 475 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: um there was a comforter that was missing. Uh. And 476 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: then Sunday, Um, wait what did you say was missing? 477 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: I didn't quite what comfort or missing? Okay, right, and 478 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: then and and Sunday, Um we were there too, looking. 479 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: Um the house is a mes um. It's because his 480 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: terns just moved out. And then um, we were there 481 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: Monday also the auntie. The aunt start cleaning the house. 482 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: That's when Billy Little was their alternety Billy Little um 483 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: one and walked through with Larry around the house. That's 484 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: when he smelled the bleach, the bleach and saw bath 485 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: mats drying out, Yes, over trash cans. Nancy you I 486 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: want to just go to Bethany and chery along something 487 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: hold of thought, Joe Scott, because it's going to tie 488 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: into what your analysis is going to be. I think, 489 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, I'm generally speaking, I don't like a mess 490 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: in the home, and I don't know if that's some 491 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: kind of compulsion, but I don't want the children to 492 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: grow up in a messy environment. So I think from 493 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: what I've learned about Maya, she was the same way. 494 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: And the fact that the house was in a mess. 495 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: To me, that means something because if people came into 496 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: our home and it looked like a cyclone hit it, 497 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: they would know I had not been there because that 498 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: bothers me gets under my skin. Now that's a behavioral thing. 499 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: It may mean nothing to somebody else, but that tells 500 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: me Maya was dead that day. Because Nancy, this is 501 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: yet another break in the pattern. Right, the fact that 502 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: all of her social media stopped on down the road. 503 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: We're talking about no money which drawn from her bank account. 504 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum was talking about the patterns on her social 505 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: media who she contacted. But what happens in the home 506 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: when you have a four year old, a ten year 507 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: old and an eleven year old is extremely important. You're 508 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: preparing there as lunches for school. You're making sure their 509 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: clothes are laid out, you have towels ready for them. 510 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: I mean, a good mother does care about her home. 511 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: And so this was a dramatic break in the pattern. 512 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: And she is no dummy, guys. She had a really 513 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: impressive job. Paul Best explained what she did. Wasn't it 514 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: for the Navy? Yeah, she was a contract specialist for 515 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: the Navy. From everyone that. I've talked to all of 516 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: her former co workers. They all said she was a 517 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: rock star at work, that she did a great job, 518 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: and that she really enjoyed it and loved doing it. 519 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: She had a lot of responsibility. What I'm trying to 520 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: tell you is she didn't just you know, fall off 521 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: the turnip truck. She this woman is smart, she is accomplished, 522 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: she's beautiful. She's raising these children. And what does it 523 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: say to you, is Cheryl mccullumn, I see a defense 524 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: attorney would try to have a field day with this, 525 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: but women on a jury and maybe some men too, 526 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: would get it. If somebody came you know, Cheryl, you've 527 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: been in my home. Somebody came in and everything was 528 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: a mess, and their dirty dishes in the sink, and 529 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: laundries piled up high, and the beds are not made. 530 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. That tells me right then. 531 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: She was dead that day, that minute, no question, Friday 532 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: by eight o'clock. And again, what they're going to do 533 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: for this case is they're going to go back and 534 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna show everything that led up to it, the 535 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: fact that he tried to hire a hit man for 536 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars, the fact that he was sending text 537 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: messages up to a hundred a day. You left out 538 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: the spellcaster. Oh I'm getting there, because that would be 539 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: something that hate mine. Yes, I know, good and well. 540 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: You would put one of those statements up big as 541 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: Dallas for the sure Jerry to stare at. Then not 542 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: only did he want her bones broken, wanted them broken 543 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: so that she couldn't leave him. And then he's burying 544 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: gun cleaning equipment. There's a forty Calahan gun missing, he's 545 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: got a fault rifles. And all this happens after he 546 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: taught us to the divorce attorney. But I want to 547 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: say one thing about that bedroom door. I'm certainly nobody 548 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: on this pound is going to be able to stop you, 549 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: So go ahead, thank you so much. When they say 550 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: she's in the bedroom and then the brother in law 551 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: comes back over and Larry the husband opens it with 552 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: a key, you're telling me that bedroom door locked from 553 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the hall. Is he keeping her captive? Can I always 554 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: count on you to keep it real? Cheryl McCollum. Okay, 555 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Joe Scott put it all together. How are we going 556 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: to prove this case? Hey, I gotta tell you, Mary Chris. 557 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: First off, my apologies in advance, but Nancy, I gotta 558 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: tell you, my friend, when I start hearing words like 559 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: bathmat soaked in, bleach, drying out in all of the 560 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: cases that I've worked as a death investigator over all 561 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: my years, I got to tell you, that means that 562 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: something occurred in the bathroom. And that means also that 563 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: potentially there's evidence in that tub of a cleanup. Now, 564 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down the road that you 565 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: think I'm going to go down relative to the level 566 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: of gore that is involved in this, but there was 567 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: an attempt to clean up in that environment. Whilst would 568 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: these bath mats be bleached out? I have to say, Nancy, 569 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: I think that there is going to be a level 570 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: of violence involved in this that we can't imagine. Well, 571 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: a great deal of bloodshed, because if you asphyxiated someone, 572 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: there would not be that kind of a clean up. 573 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: This is a bloody event. And look, Mary, Chris and 574 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: Richard want to know the truth. A carpenter uses the 575 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: tools they have at their hand. What did this guy have, Nancy, 576 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: He had a multitude. He had an armory in the house. 577 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he was hooked up on 578 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: an illegal weapons charge for tacticle weapon that he had 579 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: that could use multiple calibers of bullets. And the FEDS 580 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: know something here. Let me tell you why. It wasn't 581 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: just the Chula Vista police that showed up to process 582 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: this house. You had the FBI e RT team, that 583 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: is the Evidence Response unit. They showed up at the 584 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: house to process this thing. I actually believe that not 585 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: only are we talking about a homicide here and a 586 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: missing woman and a missing mother, we're talking about something 587 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: that could potentially extend out even further. That the FEDS 588 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: would take this much interest in this check. Well, I'm 589 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: thinking that he may be selling weapons. That's what I'm thinking. 590 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: He had so many weapons, Yes he did, and I 591 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: just cannot understand. I don't know what this guy was 592 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: at best. How many weapons do we know that he had? 593 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: He had about twenty weapons, and as was just alluded to, 594 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: he was charged of the legal possession of an assault 595 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: rifle and one of those weapons. Notably, he is still 596 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: missing a forty caliber gun. I want to follow up 597 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: with Paul Best and Joe Scott. Let me know when 598 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: you get Cheryl back. Matthew Mangino Bethany Marshall. How can 599 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 1: we track where he hid her remains? Mary Chris Dreuilee 600 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: Richard Drew like, what are the cops telling you? How 601 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: can we figure out where he hid her remains? This 602 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: could be critical at trial? Well, Anthy, I think it 603 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: certainly is going to be critical a trial. Is this, 604 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: Matthew Richard, It's Matthew. You certainly can. You can certainly 605 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: go forward with the circumstantial case. There are convictions where 606 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: there's been no body. Yeah, I know you can, but 607 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to. How can we track I think 608 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: it's crucial that you find the body because although we 609 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: have circumstantial evidence, we don't have forensic evidence at this point. 610 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: We don't have witness evidence at this point. So the 611 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: body and the cause of death, in the manner of 612 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: death are all going to be extremely important in this prosecution. 613 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's only going to be done by 614 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: a thorough investigation throughout that entire region, with multiple police 615 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: forces and federal help to try to locate this body. 616 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: This is not gonna be easy. If I could jump in, 617 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: if I could jump in about this, I doubt he 618 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: drove around Willy Nilly looking for a dumb site for 619 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: the body, just because that's not how these things go. 620 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: Think about killer down, Chris Watts, think about Todd Mom. 621 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: They always go somewhere either near the house, near a relative, 622 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: or a place with which they're very familiar. Think about it. 623 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: If you have a body or body parts, you're not 624 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: going to just dump them in a park or in 625 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: the woods or in a garbage can. You're going to 626 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: be thinking those eleven hours he drove around thinking with 627 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: his then four year old in the car. On add Nancy, 628 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: I've got to say about I've got to say the 629 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: two big pieces of evidence here in my opinion, relative 630 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: to this event. They still have that lexus. No one, 631 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: as you well know, does a good enough job cleaning 632 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: a car up if he had to clean up in 633 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: the house. That means that there is potentially a miss 634 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 1: in that lexus that he missed. They get their hands 635 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: on that lexus. And this is the other thing. They 636 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: rip that bathtub out of the wall, take the drain 637 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: traps out, all of the associated plumbing, and go over 638 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: that with a fine tooth comb, because this is essential. 639 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: If you found tissue in there, if you found tissue 640 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: that is tied to this poor poor woman. I have 641 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, that might be body enough. I hear you. 642 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: I was going to disagree with you until you said 643 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: that if they could get enough evidence out of the drain, 644 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: which I don't think they can because so many months 645 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: have passed, but if they could get that from the 646 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: car or the drain, or both of them together to 647 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: show that she is in fact dead, he should not 648 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: get a gold star for being able to hide the body. 649 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: But Mary, Chris Juliet and Richard Juliet, if you think back, guys, 650 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: and you look at like the Scott Peterson case, where 651 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: did he go to his old fishing hole San Francisco 652 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: Bay taught mom? Where did she throw her baby? After 653 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: Kelly was murdered right down the street from the home 654 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: across from her old school. If you look at k 655 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Chris Watts was just brought up. He went to his 656 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: old place of employment and a darko oil feels to 657 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: hide the body of his two children and his wife. 658 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: This guy, Larry Millette, has hidden her body somewhere he 659 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: thought it would never be found, somewhere he's familiar with. 660 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 1: What are cops telling you, guys, Mary, Chris and Richard, 661 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: They haven't really told us any a specific area, just 662 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: that time frame. You know that they're looking at the 663 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: two and a half hours. So what does that mean, 664 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: Mary Chris A two and a half hour event? What 665 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: does that mean? He stopped for two and a half 666 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: hours somewhere. That's what it sounds like. That's what they're 667 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: telling us. Oh, well that's where it is. That's where 668 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, so so in that, um, that's the 669 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: area that would have been having. You know, are not 670 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: just got feeling, but I mean it's a feeling that 671 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: we know she could probably have been. It's the dessert. Um, 672 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: it's a two and a half hours, it's the desert. 673 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: Did you say it's in the desert? Yeah, it's we 674 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: called it the desserts. It's um because it's yeah, it's 675 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: at the desert area. And what he did was very cunning. 676 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: Richard Juliet, he left his cell phone at home so 677 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: he cannot be tracked by pains. He is no idiot. 678 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing. But now they've got 679 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: a two and a half hour event where I'm understanding 680 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: from Mary christ Juliet, my sister, that he was stopped 681 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: for two and a half hours during this eleven hour 682 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: period out in the desert, that's where she is. So 683 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 1: how are they determining that Richard through the navigation system 684 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: in the Lexus? Yeah, that's correct. I guess they had 685 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: a I guess he must have stopped somewhere and looked 686 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: at maybe different routes to get back home, and where 687 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: he got pinpoint, It was about two and a half 688 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: hours away from his house. So that's where we're going 689 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: to be starting our searches. I mean, we've always thought 690 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: it could have been the desert, but during the summer, 691 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the desert is a hot than twenty hundred 692 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: and twenty four degrees, you know, by twelve o'clock, so 693 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: it's really dangerous to be out there in that heat. Nancy. 694 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: There's also a four year old in the car. I know, 695 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: I've been wondering if the four year old could point 696 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: out where they went. This is what we know in 697 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: the last hours. A stunning development in the case. We 698 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: all thought nothing would ever happened. But now the husband 699 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: of my amilite has been arrested. But what we need 700 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: now is her body. If you have any information eight 701 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: five eight zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight 702 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: eight five eight zero eight four seven seven. I heard 703 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: those cheers go up when the arrest was announced, and 704 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to cheer, but I know the hard work 705 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: is still before us. It's a long row to hoe 706 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: before we get justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 707 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,