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Speaker 1: brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Welcome in to draft season. As the Super

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite As it is

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Speaker 1: a wonderful Tuesday edition of The Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's,

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us David Hellman with you as

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Speaker 1: we are here for the next hour talking about some

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, just kind of wanted

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. But now that the Super bowls in

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Speaker 1: the rearview here, Bucky, were you surprised about the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: Another super Bowl ring for Tom Brady and the way

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Speaker 1: that that team was constructed. Well, I mean, now that

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Speaker 1: things that always go hand in hand. If you invest

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Speaker 1: And I think the way that They're constructed. They were

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Speaker 1: Kyle is this is what we're going to get into.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to avoid the knee jerk reaction this year, Brian.

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Speaker 1: think the first round, like now, when we look at it,

427
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Speaker 1: it really should be reserved for four positions. It is quarterback,

428
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, pass rusher, and then cornerback. Like that's kind

429
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: of where it is, like that's the meat and potatoes.

430
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is. And then when we look

431
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: at those other positions, you can find him I'm not

432
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: saying that like, hey, I won't take a Lenifrenette or

433
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: whatever someone like that, but you can find those guys

434
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Speaker 1: in other rounds. Yeah, angried kind of what you were

435
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: talking about earlier with dan Quinn and him never having

436
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: been around a first round linebacker. That makes me even

437
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: more confident that you can find a second or third

438
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: round guy, especially if you have two second round picks.

439
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: With that Byron Jones comp pick that comes in, you've

440
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: got three picks of the second and the third round

441
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: that Day two slot. You can pick up a linebacker there,

442
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: Dave and pluck them right in the middle of that defense.

443
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you're cooking with gas

444
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: because you go and find one of those guys like

445
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: Brian's talking about that, going those finish the play, finish

446
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: the tackle that are on tape that show out. That's

447
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: something you haven't seen from a Cowboys perspective, maybe since

448
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: you drafted Laton vander esh in the first round. But

449
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: now you don't have to spend that first round pick

450
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: on it. Now you don't have to do that. So Brian,

451
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: if you're looking at somebody's second and third round linebackers,

452
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: does that make you feel better about the fact that

453
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: you can find a Day two guy rather than spend

454
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: that top ten pick. What I hope is that Dan

455
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: Quinn brings the same magic that he brought when you

456
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: start talking about linebackers and his ability to evaluate. And

457
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: let's be honest, guys, the defensive coordinator and the offensive

458
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: coordinator have a lot of say in what happens with

459
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, we'll go back to the draft

460
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: with Jalen, with Jalen Ramsey and Ezekiel Elliott. It was

461
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: it was Rod Marinelli and Chris Richard that stepped up

462
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: said no, take Zeke. Take Zeke. That'll help us, that'll

463
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: keep us off the field. You know, they didn't fight

464
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: for Jalen Ramsey, but but then again, they thought Jalen

465
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: Ramsey was a safety. You know that that just kind

466
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: of that shows you kind of how that thing was going.

467
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: They weren't sure where they were going to play it.

468
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: But the defensive coordinator carries a big stick in that room.

469
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Speaker 1: And you know, my hope is that these coaches from Atlanta,

470
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: they've got some good defensive players over the years, they've

471
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Speaker 1: dropped it some good defensive players. I'm hopeful though, that

472
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: they that they come with the right like that they're

473
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Speaker 1: able to convey to the scouts. Hey, my scheme needs this.

474
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: You know. You know last year we heard uh Mike

475
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: Nolan saying, oh, we'll adapt to whatever players we have. No,

476
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: you didn't, you really didn't know, you know. So I

477
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: need I need evaluators. I need the scouts and the coach,

478
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. I need them on the same page.

479
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: But I need him to be able to tell them, like, listen,

480
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Speaker 1: this is why I think this guy. This is why

481
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Speaker 1: I think core more even though we're picking at ten

482
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: and he probably should be picked at fifteen to eighteen,

483
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: this is why I would take him right now. You

484
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: know that's the kind of I need passion from my

485
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: coach to help the scouts along to figure this out. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: I have a question. Does this mean we're moving on

487
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: from jay Less Smith? Is Is that what this mean?

488
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: Because we've had a lot of conversation for five minutes, Oh, linebacker,

489
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Speaker 1: and I think the evaluation. I think there's you know

490
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Speaker 1: what is do you think about Jayles Smith and l Vee?

491
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: Does he feel like he can fix him? Does he

492
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: have any choice in terms of no I can move

493
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: on from or no, you have to keep him at

494
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: least for another year. I think that's the meeting, not

495
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: the question, shameless plug, because I've actually, you know, we're

496
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of doing a series where we assess every position

497
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: group on the roster and where it stands right now.

498
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I've I've written a lot of words about the linebacker

499
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: position over the last three days. It's it's very interesting

500
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: because you think about Layton vander Esh his option deadline

501
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: is coming up. If the Cowboys don't pick it up,

502
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: then he's only under contract for one more year. I

503
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: think ultimately, I think it's gonna be heavily on how

504
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: much Dan Quinn thinks he can fix Jalen. Whether he's

505
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: here or not. I wouldn't be surprised either way, Like

506
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: I really, I would not be surprised if he's here

507
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: next year. I would not be surprised if he's gone.

508
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: But either way, I just think, and then obviously, you know,

509
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: Sean Lee might be done playing football all together. We'll

510
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: happen to see so you could it's equally possible that

511
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: all three of your top linebackers could be back, and

512
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: it's equally possible that you could need to like redo

513
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: the entire position. Oh, I think the Cowboys gonna ask

514
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith to take a pay cut. Yeah, I think

515
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: there's I don't think this is gonna be one of

516
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: those things where they're gonna be real nice about it.

517
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna say, listen, we need you to we need

518
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: you to redo your contract. And if he agrees, I

519
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: think he still has a job. If he doesn't, then

520
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: we need to be talking about every one of these linebackers,

521
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: like we need to be talking about every one of

522
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. You know. I mean that's that the Dallas

523
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: Cowboys could go. They will say one hundred different ways

524
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: in this draft, and every one of them would probably

525
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: help this team. And you can, you can, we could

526
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: all laugh about the quarterback thing like that. That that

527
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: right there is getting We're down to day, we're down

528
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: to weeks now on this decision, and we might get

529
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: a greed base situation here with the Cowboys. You might

530
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: get Dak Prescott on a tag and have to draft

531
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: his successor in order, because if they don't get a

532
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: deal done, you'd be ready for him to walk, is

533
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: what I is what I should say. You know, that's

534
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: that's the easy way to look at it. Right now,

535
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: that's the easy way to look at it. Whenever you

536
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: tag him, that's what you're saying. I mean, everybody, everybody

537
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: right now is dying inside because they know the Cowboys

538
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: need so much help on defense that they might have

539
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback to protect themselves, you know. And

540
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they say, you know what, we might be

541
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: bad again next year and be in the top ten

542
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: and and pick thin. But right now they're they're in

543
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: a they're in a very much a Green Bay Packer

544
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: situation when it comes to their quarterback. Ye, if they

545
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: don't disagree, I think completely right, Yeah, I think I

546
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: think they they've painted themselves into a corner where now

547
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: it is almost prohibitive to give the big deal because

548
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, and ultimately, like dad could get the

549
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: blame for it. They finally to a long term deal,

550
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: but now you don't have the stuff around him, and

551
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: then he gets all the blame and Kenny carry and

552
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: I do believe he is like a friend's top five

553
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: player in the position. But you are going to have

554
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to reconsider, like what do you have? What can you do?

555
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: All these other contracts? How do you fit them into

556
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: the puzzle guess a lot. I mean, it's interesting, it

557
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: would be fascinating to watch over the next three or

558
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: four weeks. Could you still think? I mean, the Cowboys

559
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: have got they've got till March ninth, and you know,

560
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: we'll have a draft show, you know, the week of

561
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: all that and stuff. I think we'll know, we'll know

562
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: what direction this thing is gonna go. See, I don't

563
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: think I quite agree with that. I mean, I know

564
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: March ninth is the deadline, but if they tag him

565
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: and then get a deal done a month later, they've

566
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: got until they've got until two or three weeks before

567
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: the draft. They've got until like mid April. I think

568
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: that's my drop dead date because if you got to

569
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: tag him to buy yourself time, that's fine, but it

570
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: would be negligent to go into the draft with Dak

571
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: not under a contract and not look at quarterback. Do

572
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you feel like that? Do you feel like that it's

573
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: going to take them two months to sign this guy?

574
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I why would I even act like I know what's

575
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: going to happen. Like it's been two years where I've

576
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: been like, that's what I'm saying, That's what I'm saying

577
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: my plans are Yeah, I would have believed that, oh,

578
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: April ninth, we can get a deal done. But if

579
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, you get to negotiate hard for the next

580
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: six weeks. Yeah, Oh, I agree with that. I agree

581
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: with that, you've got to negotiate hard for the next

582
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: six weeks. But if we get like five weeks in,

583
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we haven't talked, we haven't talked. Yeah,

584
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a pretty good idea that point. Yeah.

585
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: And basically what I was talking about, what Brian was

586
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: saying earlier, is if you tag him and he gets

587
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: through the draft or gets up to the draft on

588
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: that franchise tag, sure he'll be under contract for the

589
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: next year, but he's gonna walk after that. You haven't

590
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: had those back to back franchise tag quarterbacks. You're not

591
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna have Dak Prescott in twenty twenty two, and you

592
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: might be forced to take your successor when you need

593
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: defensive help. That that's a that's a terrible way to

594
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: operate right there. Gosh, I hate that. It's one of

595
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: those things. It's not something it's something that you have

596
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: to do, but it's better for them to take the

597
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: successor this year. You than to wait until next year

598
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: because I don't even know what that quarterback class looks

599
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: like next year. Early early indications are the quarterback class

600
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: is not very good. That's just that's just talking to

601
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: guys that just a Liberty kid. I keep hearing about

602
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: the Liberty gus. Yeah, that's that's basically. I mean, Okay, Carol,

603
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to take you're crazy. Scouts are always

604
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: like scouts. This guy, this guy was a fifth round

605
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: pick at the start of the twenty nineteen I start,

606
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: you have to think about it, just we just always

607
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: have to think about it, like you have to go

608
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: through and you're walking through and you're looking at the program,

609
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 1: and hey, who's QB two. I mean, right now, the

610
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: only guy that we're talking about is the Liberty guys,

611
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: the only one that I've heard buzz on. Yeah, no,

612
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: you're not. I just I don't think you can afford.

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: You can't afford to wait because one way or another.

614
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: And yes, I know the Cowboys haven't been to an

615
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: NFC title game in thirty years, but they don't pick

616
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: in the top ten very often. They're usually good enough

617
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: to avoid that, so you can't nobody wants tack under

618
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: contract more than I do. But you can't pass up

619
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity had a top ten pick, especially when there's

620
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: four good quarterback maybe five good quarterbacks in the first round.

621
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: All right, you can always trade for one, like who

622
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: cares get one? You can get one anywhere. Yeah, just going,

623
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: let's give up this, figure it out. Let's let's make

624
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: a trade. Last week, if I get Miami in here.

625
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: If I could have, if I could have had as

626
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks are as available to day in two thousand

627
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: when I was working with the Cowboys, I'd still be working.

628
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's crazy, but it's amazing. The two thousands,

629
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to give up their quarterback. Now it's like, listen,

630
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: take my guy, please, think my guy, Take my guy. Yeah,

631
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. We're way over time on

632
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: this when we got off topic, but when we come

633
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: back at Twitter twenty, it is my fault. I'm a

634
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: terrible bus driver today. That's okay. I just love listening

635
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: to you guys chat about quarterbacks when we come back.

636
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Is there any kind of shift in the thinking for

637
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in terms of the Super Bowl results

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeomans, and time now to get into a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, gentleman, has your hasn't changed your opinion on

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Speaker 1: positional value for this upcoming draft regarding the Cowboys? And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to David Hellman initially because you

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Speaker 1: said no knee jerk reaction. I'm assuming in that first

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Speaker 1: segment when you said knee jerk reaction, you were talking

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Speaker 1: about taking an offensive tackle instead of some defensive talent.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this has shifted the way that things

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Speaker 1: kind of look for the Cowboys overall and the way

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Speaker 1: that they will evaluate this draft class. No, when I

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Speaker 1: said no knee jerk reaction, I just meant like, let's

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Speaker 1: give Tampa Bay credit for building a really good team.

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Speaker 1: Like it's not like they did something. It's not like

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Speaker 1: they did something off the wall and crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I said, they have good defensive tackles, they have

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Speaker 1: good linebackers, they have good safeties, they have a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, and they upgraded the offensive line around him.

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Speaker 1: So if anything, I guess the closest thing I have

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Speaker 1: to a knee jerk reaction is it's hard not to

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00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: watch Patrick Mahomes run for his life without his two

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Speaker 1: starting tackles, and you think about, you know, Lyle missed

703
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: the entire season. Tyrant has had issues for five years now.

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Speaker 1: I was already open to the idea of drafting a tackle,

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Speaker 1: but probably even more so now because I said this.

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Speaker 1: I'd said this to Ryan on Sunday. I was like,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine if the Cowboys got all the way

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00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: to that game and then they didn't have Tyren or

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Lyell for the Super Bowl? Like I meant, you would

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Speaker 1: just be sick. It would be sick to your stomach

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Speaker 1: all day. So I was, like I said, I was

712
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Speaker 1: always open to that idea, but I'm probably more open

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Speaker 1: to it now than I was before the game. That's

714
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: funny because I think that I think that's something that

715
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: should have been talked about before. We talked about like

716
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: Slater and some of those other guys potentially at number ten.

717
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: But I think you have to take an offensive line,

718
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: you have to consider it, and I think you have

719
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: to do it a year or two early, because we've

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Speaker 1: seen I mean what Martin went from being a tackle

721
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Speaker 1: at Notre Dame to kicking inside and playing guard. I mean,

722
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: like that's what you do. You're trying to get the

723
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Speaker 1: best five that you can get, and you mix and

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Speaker 1: match and put them out there because you don't want

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00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: to get caught like the knctts got caught with their

726
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: pants down. We're in the Super Bowl. They're playing with

727
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: three guys in new positions and you can't win. And

728
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: so you have to invest and the OH line and

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: the DE line, and I think the Super Bowl really

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00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: kind of brought that to light, Like, man, you better

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of pass rushers that you can throw

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Speaker 1: at people, and you better have an offensive line that

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Speaker 1: can can protect the quarterback. Yeah, I think that. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have to keep a really open mind. You can't

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Speaker 1: just sit there and say they have to have defensive players,

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, they do need defensive players, but you have

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Speaker 1: to keep your mind open about the tackle the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You have to keep the mind open about defensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: a safety, a corner. So yeah, I think the Cowboys,

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00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: you look at maybe if you look at the Buccaneers

741
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs, you realize how far away you really are.

742
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: That might be the reality right there. You know that

743
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: like whoa that that team? You know? And and by

744
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: the way, Dallas plays both those teams next year on

745
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: the road, so you know, keep that in mind. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that you're you're You've got to be open.

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: The The Super Bowl does nothing for me except mean

748
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: the season's over. Now. I got to focus on my

749
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: issues and I've got a ton of them. So we're

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Speaker 1: all collectively drafting or shots later at ten overall? Right now, right,

751
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: what's wrong, Bucky? Why are you laughing at me? I'm

752
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: laughing because you're disdaining for watching any of the football

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00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: once your team is out of here. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: that you're just not She's not gonna watch and see

755
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: what's going on. Just now, you just had the blinders on,

756
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: and I'm just worried, Abucky Cowboys, I don't get out here. Bucky,

757
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: You're you're a dear friend of mine, and you know

758
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Speaker 1: you could have been in the Super Okay, I have

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Speaker 1: Tom de Mittroff. When Tom de Mittroff was in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Tommy Dean, I go way back. Steve Saba,

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00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: we go way back. Okay, when they were in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, I didn't even know what happened until, like

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00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch the game. I didn't even watch

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Speaker 1: the game, and I'm like, what do you do? The

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00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: game is? The game is everything. I'll tell you, Like,

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00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: tell you what he does, Bucky. He sits at his

767
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: desk with his feet up and watch his tape like

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00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: a freaking tweet. That's what I did. Hear. You're a loser, Bryan.

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Speaker 1: You could be one of you could be one of

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Speaker 1: my best friends. And if you lost that Super Bowl,

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00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I'd have been like, hey man, I'm sorry, but you

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00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: know what, I saw a really good offensive lineman playing.

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00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: Look at him. You're watching tape now, you're trying too hard.

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00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: You're trying too hard to be Bowl. You didn't block anybody.

775
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: Maybe you should look at this Cockow was looking at

776
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the other day. Yeah, so so funny. I do wonder though,

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Speaker 1: like and looking at the Super Bowl? Are we fast

778
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: enough now? Are the Cowboys fast enough now? Just from

779
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: a from an overall team speed standpoint, I think that's

780
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: the one thing we can talk about, like the positions.

781
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: But when we turn on the tape and we look

782
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: at the Chiefs and the Bucks play versus the Cowboys,

783
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: what is that team speed like? And that team speed

784
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: not only matters office in defense, but on special teams. Yeah,

785
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: if you think about the explosive plays and blocking punts

786
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: and big returns, do you have enough weapons to create

787
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Speaker 1: those big opportunities because your team is fast? Hopefully that's

788
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Speaker 1: what dan Quinn does. And you know, again there's receivers.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about what was Ceedee Lamb coming out of college.

790
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: He was a catch the ball and run guy. Yeah,

791
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: we didn't see Ceedee Lamb. I mean early in the year,

792
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: we saw some big plays down the middle of the field.

793
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: But I think your right book, your overall team speed

794
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: is really lacking, especially on defense. Well, when you lose

795
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: more worried about defense than offense. Yeah, when I was

796
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: saying on offense, whenever you lose your offensive lining, you

797
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: become one dimensional and you can't hold on to the

798
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Speaker 1: football and you have a ninety million dollar running back

799
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Speaker 1: that decides to fumble every two snaps, then yeah, it's

800
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Speaker 1: gonna make things a little bit tough to catch and

801
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Speaker 1: run with the football. I'm not throwing shade there at anybody.

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00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring that up. The second question.

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Speaker 1: Second question to here for a twitter on the twenty

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Speaker 1: Christophers Day. I'll have an opinion. No, I have an opinion,

805
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: trust me. Looking for an in depth take on quit

806
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: he Pay, the edge rusher out of Michigan. Uh he

807
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: said he saw him monk to the Cowboys at ten.

808
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Chris Davis is the one who asked this question. I

809
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: don't know if I said that, but can you ask

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Speaker 1: the guys about Quitty Pay and what they thought about him?

811
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Speaker 1: The one word I had whenever I watched Quitty Kay

812
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: was dense. I thought he was very dense on the edge.

813
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: He's not your normal long, lanky outside of the tackle

814
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: edge rusher. He's more of kind of a power guy,

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Speaker 1: right Ryan, you know absolutely. I mean he's a funny

816
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: built guy too. It's it was, it was really weird.

817
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Speaker 1: I mean he's listed his six three and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: look that on tape, you know, and but he's got

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Speaker 1: it looked. The shorter arms and stuff like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like the way he can. I think he can

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Speaker 1: cover some ground when he when he when he runs,

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Speaker 1: and I think he can redirect, and I do think

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Speaker 1: he's got some passers moves and you could play him

824
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Speaker 1: on either side, which was something that I was kind

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Speaker 1: of impressed with. But I thought that there were times

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Speaker 1: where he really struggled to get off blocks. And I

827
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Speaker 1: don't want to be the scout that says, oh, because

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Speaker 1: the shorter arms, he can't get off blocks, but there

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Speaker 1: were snaps where he would get tied up, and I

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00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: thought that that was kind of a struggle for him

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Speaker 1: to have to disengage. But other than that, the ability

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Speaker 1: to run, the ability to chase, the ability to get

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Speaker 1: to the football, the redirection, all that stuff to capture

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Speaker 1: the edge. I think that's all legitimate stuff though, But

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Speaker 1: his body type was really strange to me watching him

836
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: plant team. I don't think he's a long, rangy guy

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Speaker 1: at all for being, you know, sixty three, two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy one pounds. That's funny because I have the

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Speaker 1: John Wooden quote in my head. I'm like, don't confuse

840
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Speaker 1: his activity for achievement. I think he's active, and I

841
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: think he runs around and he plays with great effort.

842
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Speaker 1: But I wrote in my notes, I don't see any

843
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: necessarily impact he gets garbage sacks. He gets those things,

844
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: but I don't view him as an impact player. And

845
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Speaker 1: I'm a little more partial to production, particularly sack production,

846
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Speaker 1: because I believe it translates. And he has eleven and

847
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a half career sacks, which is fine. But I never

848
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: found a game where I'm like or series of games

849
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: where like, man, this dude is dominating, like you need

850
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: to pay attention to him, you need to slide to

851
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: protection that way because you can't stop him. I found

852
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: it more like, oh, okay, that's that's a nice play,

853
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the type like, hey, let me go

854
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: into the offensive room and say, hey, we better have

855
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: a plan for dealing with pay And I don't know,

856
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna take him at those prices where

857
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: you have to take him into top ten, man, I

858
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: better feel like I'm getting a guy that can really

859
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: impact the game from time he steps in. Yeah, I

860
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: told you mean, I like what you're saying that, Bucky,

861
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: because I looked at the last note. I said there's

862
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: some hit and miss to his game, and that that

863
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: that bothers me. If you're talking about a top ten

864
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: guy and you're telling me there's hit and miss to

865
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: his game. I don't want any part of that, and

866
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: I really really don't. I just look at a like

867
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: pass rusher, especially like I just look at resume, and

868
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: I know, you know, there's always it's a position where

869
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: upside means so much. Some guys are on a longer trajectory.

870
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: That's fine for a top ten pick. I'm real nervous

871
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: about what he accomplished in college, you know, And that's

872
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: that's just a valuable, valuable pick that I'm not willing

873
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: to take that big of a gamble on, especially when

874
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: you consider that there are way more proven commodities, you know,

875
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: like like the cornerbacks, for just as an easy example

876
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't feel comfortable taking that risk. Just take

877
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. You'll be okay. But hey, Dave, I will

878
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: give I will give you this because it comes from

879
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: Bryan's friend and I learned this a long time ago.

880
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: Azzi Knewsom said, when you're looking at pass rushers, always

881
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: pay attention to sack production because they've done studies. Guys

882
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: who sacked the quarterback in college, they sacked the guy

883
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: in the pros And it doesn't matter about body type

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: or any of those things. When you see a guy

885
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: who has sustained sack production over multiple years, they do

886
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: it to Eli Sudes would be the exams was a

887
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: great example of that. He also he also would give

888
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: you Elvis Duomerville. When Elmas Duomerville came out of Louisville,

889
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: he had twenty sacks, he had a million sacks. He

890
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: was short, like six foot, but he always got to

891
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so that's one of the things when

892
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: you talk about the resume, look at the resume over

893
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: multiple years. Those are the guys that typically do it

894
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: because they know how to get them to the ground.

895
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I would throw tackles for loss in as well, and

896
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I yes, all all of the matters. So yeah, it

897
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: just kind of scares me. I like that John woodn't

898
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: quote you throw out there, though, Bucky. I think that's

899
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: a good way to look at a lot of these guys.

900
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the terrible the guy from North

901
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Carolina with a great basketball history has to quote, I mean,

902
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: I got Dean smell stuff in the bag. I'm just

903
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: waiting at stuff. I mean, I got I got that.

904
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: I got this stuff in the bag. I took a

905
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: basketball class and Collins he told me that the Kansidy

906
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs shouldn't have done what they did in Week twelve

907
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay when they let them close the gap.

908
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: He said, you gotta hammer people because if you let

909
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: people feel like they have a chance, the next time

910
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: they face you, they entered the game, we're more confidence.

911
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: So that's why you blow them out. Dean Smith. Dean Smith,

912
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Dean Smith, absolutely blow it out. So I'm gonna run

913
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: up the score, guy, run it up. Oh hell yeah,

914
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: every time. Anytime you can. Interesting, dude, he held the

915
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: boat for like twelve minutes game one time. I'm not

916
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna lie to us. Guys turned into Bucky and Brian

917
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: trying to roast each other. Yeah, it's but I love it.

918
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: And also I've always I've always highly respected Bucky Brooks.

919
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: But when he said he had Dean stuff or Dean

920
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: Smith stuff in the bag and then he actually brought

921
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: one out immediately, like, I have never respected you more

922
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: than in this very moment of talking about Dean Smith

923
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: and the coaches and the quotes that you just pulled out.

924
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: That was fantastic. Okay, back to draft. So Jay on

925
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: Twitter asked us about Hafunga. Is that how you say

926
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: his name the safety out of USC. He wanted our

927
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on and fun guy. I don't I need to

928
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: look up pronunciations. I haven't gotten to that part of

929
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: my study yet. Hockey. You got a thought on him,

930
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: because I'm working my way towards him. I have a thought,

931
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: but but my thing on safeties right now. Man, if

932
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: you can't hit and running cover, it's hard to have

933
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: a guy that is kind of one dimensional unless you

934
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: have a decordinator who has a plan. He's instinctive and

935
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: he's active, but when you look at the guys that

936
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: are playing that are playing and making plays in the playoffs,

937
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: he's not in that realm in terms of being a

938
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: ball hawk or those guys. And so I don't know,

939
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: like if you want to maybe take him and kind

940
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: of drop him down and do some things in the

941
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: box like we've seen guys do with like having a

942
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: third safety on the field as a big nickel or whatever, like,

943
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: maybe you can do that, But in terms of being

944
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: a center fielder or a playmaker, that's not what he does.

945
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: And so there's a role for everybody if your defensive

946
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: coordinator has those kind of tricks in the bag. But

947
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but I wouldn't put him in

948
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: that upper tier where you're like, hey, you get a

949
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: difference macause someone who's make plays on the ball, I think,

950
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: and I haven't. I haven't watched him yet for full disclosure,

951
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: but just as a general thought, I feel like in

952
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: any draft there's only like three to five safeties that

953
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: you're like, he's instinctive, he plays the ball, he can

954
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: play free safety, he can do this, he can do that,

955
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: and then everybody else is just a guy you're like, yeah,

956
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: like he can do some stuff in the box and tackle.

957
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't mean this as a slight

958
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: but just what you just said reminds me of Donovan Wilson,

959
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: who the Cowboys you know, found in the sixth round

960
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: of the draft. And that's what makes it so frustrating

961
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: is if, especially you know, for the Cowboys who have

962
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: been unwilling to do it, if you're not willing to

963
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: invest like a top fifty or sixty pick, you're probably

964
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: not getting that guy. Like those guys go high in

965
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: the draft for reasons because those those instincts are not

966
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: easily found. I really I'll tell you that one guy

967
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: watched the other day was the Florida State kid. Uh

968
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: is that how you say national d And yeah, I'll

969
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I six three, two hundred and

970
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: twelve pounds. I saw a finisher there. I saw a

971
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: guy that was around the ball. I saw I got.

972
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, if they need a true free safety type

973
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: of a player, that's kind of like who I'm looking

974
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: for right now because I kind of feel good about

975
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. Ye, but I'm looking for a guy that's

976
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: got some range, it's got some hit, it's got some finish,

977
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: that's got some ball skills. That's the kind of guy

978
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: that I think the Cowboys, I think when when Dan

979
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: quinn is he's already sat down and looked at his defense,

980
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: he's going to push hard for these scouts to find

981
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: him a real free safety. So it's funny Brian like

982
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: and thinking about DQ's history. So there are two different

983
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: types of safeties and he kind of values them differently.

984
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: He took Keyan O'Neill and Ianna Keiana Live was a

985
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: guy who was a more of a boxed every player,

986
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: a big hitter, big guy, tough guy against a run.

987
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: And then you know he has made converted corners into safeties.

988
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: He took Demante Kazi from safety State who had a

989
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: million interceptions, and he moved them to free safety. It

990
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: took two years for that process to kind of come

991
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: to fruition, but he started back there. Brian Powell was

992
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: another guy that is playback there. So it will be

993
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: interesting to see one how you've used Donovan Wilson. Does

994
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: he view Donovan Wilson as that guy that is hovering

995
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: in the box and now do I need to go

996
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: get the ornament on top of the Christmas tree? If

997
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: he does that, then it takes you a different direction.

998
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: We talked about Richie Grant here like over and over

999
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: and over again. So then what you're doing is you're

1000
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: looking for those true center fielder types. And if you

1001
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: ask me my Druthers, I would like to look into

1002
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: their background and make sure that they have baseball in

1003
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: their background because then I know they can judge the

1004
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: ball and do those things or whatever. So it's just

1005
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: the evaluation the self scout this year is more important

1006
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: than ever because how DQ views was currently on the

1007
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: roster will shift how the Cowboys go about doing their

1008
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: work in the draft. Can I ask a real quick question, sure,

1009
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: just real short answer guys to know where do you

1010
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: guys think that Patrick Peterson from Arizona could play free safety?

1011
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: I think you read the Twitter mentions before the show too. No, No,

1012
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: I just because I said it. I said it yesterday

1013
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: on the show because I remember Charles Woodson when Charles

1014
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: yes quarter to safety, and I thought Bill parcels about it.

1015
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: But I remember I just wanted real quick yes or no.

1016
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Colin know you got a show to do here.

1017
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted yes or no. Could Patrick Peterson transfer

1018
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: to safety? I think he could yes. And I actually

1019
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: thought when he was coming out of LSU, I thought

1020
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: that's where he was best suitan am. My evaluation was wrong.

1021
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I never viewed him kind of like how he was

1022
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: viewed because I thought he has some issues on the perimeter.

1023
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: But I thought the best things that he did were

1024
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: playing the ball and when he got the ball in

1025
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: his hands. And I think the great players that make

1026
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: that transition from corner to say to you talk about

1027
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: Charles Wilson, Rod Woodson, the number one thing that they

1028
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: have tremendous instincts and balls and if he's tough enough

1029
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: to make tackles, that's the thing that you would have

1030
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: to ask, But I absolutely believe that he's smart enough

1031
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: and instinct enough to be a contributor at safety. Not

1032
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: only that, but I think he's got I mean, he's

1033
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: got prototypical size too, Like he's I mean he's a

1034
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: big guy. He's like six one two ten um, so

1035
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: he's got the size to do it. I think. I

1036
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: just wonder, and I would love to see that for

1037
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. On top of him being an

1038
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: LSU guy, like he's his high character, a player as

1039
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: there is in the NFL, he's got a Hall of

1040
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: Fame resume, so he'd be a hell of a guy

1041
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: to coach up the rest of your secondary I wonder.

1042
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know this, And obviously Charles Woodson was

1043
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: not too proud to make that switch. But for a

1044
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: guy like Pat Pete, who is, you know, a three

1045
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: time All Pro, eight time pro bowler, is he willing

1046
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: to accept that maybe he can't play outside anymore. I

1047
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know that. Would you sell it, you sell it,

1048
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: you sell it differently, I would say Charles woods Ye,

1049
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: Charles his career because of it. You sell it differently.

1050
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: So what you do is you bring them in and

1051
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: you say we got plans for you to be a

1052
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: big nickel, So we're gonna put you in the slot.

1053
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: We can put you in the box because your instincts

1054
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: enable you to make more plays and then you start

1055
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: sliding them into safety. He get a couple of reps

1056
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: here at free or whatever. So it's an evolutionists really

1057
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: being able to paint the picture for here's how you

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Speaker 1: more question from Twitter on the twenty and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Jake, who always asked fantastic, fantastic questions, But

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Speaker 1: this one stuck out to me today because it had

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Speaker 1: Tiny Gym in it. What does brought us and tiny

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Speaker 1: Jim think the honey Badger set to Tom Brady to

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Speaker 1: get him so fired up in the Super Bowl, probably

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Speaker 1: said I'm not afraid of you and some expletives to

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Speaker 1: go along with it. Think what I really want to say,

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Speaker 1: But it's a family program. I think he told Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he told Tom. He said, man, the crawfish

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Speaker 1: season early is the crawfish are small, and he was

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Speaker 1: just stop was at it and he was letting Tom

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Speaker 1: know that. He goes, Man, he goes, Tom, I ain't

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Speaker 1: telling you, man, these crawfish are small. Starting out, Man,

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Speaker 1: we gotta stop this. And Tom took offense to that

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Speaker 1: because Tom likes small Crawlfish. So all due respect, the

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Speaker 1: Bucks kicked the Chief's ass. They obviously deserve to win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But like that sequence over the final

1135
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: five minutes before halftime was ridiculous, Like Mike Evans flopped

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Speaker 1: for that big dpi, the DPI on Tyron Matthew in

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Speaker 1: the end zone or holding whatever the call was, Like

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Speaker 1: that was utter crap. And then Brady chased Tyron Matthew

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Speaker 1: halfway across the field to get in his face. And

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Speaker 1: Tyron's the one that gets flagged. Like that was just

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Speaker 1: the epitome of Tom getting every call he wants. And

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Speaker 1: I hated it. I'll tell you what though, Tyrn looks

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Speaker 1: right what happened to him because Tom had to text

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Speaker 1: him and apologize. But the thing about it is, if

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Speaker 1: I'm Tyron Matthew, I'm like, listen, man, you won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Get your champagne smelling breath out of my face.

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Speaker 1: You know I don't need you apologizing to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: And but you know, evidently you know Tyron is a

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Speaker 1: fiery player. We all know that. We saw him getting

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Speaker 1: into it on the sidelines with Steve Spagnola. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is a he is like listen. If you don't

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Speaker 1: call this defense, we are going to get killed today,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I mean, and that's the way Tyron is.

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Speaker 1: He is a fiery sob and we all love him

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Speaker 1: for it. You know. You like you saw what Spagnullah did.

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Speaker 1: He's like, okay, okay, turn around and leave. That's the

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Speaker 1: best thing you could do with Tyron. Let him sit

1158
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Speaker 1: there and lose his mind on the sidelines, you know.

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Speaker 1: But you know that he's going to play every play hard.

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Speaker 1: And again, the fact that Brady had to apologize, I

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Speaker 1: think Tom probably said something that really pissed him off.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. I felt like this was a

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Speaker 1: very emotional game for Kansas City. I felt like they

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Speaker 1: were emotionally written. Running anyway, I can't. I have a

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Speaker 1: true belief that the events that occurred on Thursday certainly

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Speaker 1: impacted them, probably beyond because a team that has already

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Speaker 1: been to the Super Bowl once, they acted like they

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Speaker 1: were the newbies. Yeah, they termed it from an emotional standpoint,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to the way that Tim Bay Buccaneers conducted themselves.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy to think about, but that's exactly what it

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Speaker 1: looked like. It looked like the Chiefs were overemotional and

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Speaker 1: that I mean, they came out flat in the first place,

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Speaker 1: but then they kind of overcompensated for it, and they

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Speaker 1: overdid it kind of toward the halftime break, and then

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Speaker 1: of course we saw kind of the craziness that Dave

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Speaker 1: Hellman was talking about just a couple moments ago. But

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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for us here on the

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