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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing. The Human Centipede, the only movie Roger Ebert

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Speaker 1: what it is. He concluded. It was the talk of

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Speaker 1: the festival circuit in two thousand nine, the talk at dinner,

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Speaker 1: not panel discussions. It was too cruel, too cracked. High

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Speaker 1: school boys were emailing each other gross out clips. Many

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Speaker 1: reviewers wouldn't even recount the premise I will so feel

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Speaker 1: free to skip ahead about one minute. The movie, the

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Speaker 1: first of a trilogy, starts with the familiar horror trope

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Speaker 1: a demented surgeon. Then the familiar tropes end because Dr Hyder,

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Speaker 1: a late career goal. It's to kidnap three people, sever

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Speaker 1: creating one long digestive system. It's a bleak movie, terrifying

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Speaker 1: and bloody, Deeter Laser's suave doctor Hyder is mangel alike

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Speaker 1: in his dispassionate cruelty, and the victims play their roles

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Speaker 1: with no wink or nod to break the tension, but

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Speaker 1: shock wears off. The movie that Roger Ebert refused to

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Speaker 1: We have a long treasured tradition here on our show,

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Speaker 1: which celebrates the Festival of Lights. It's time once again

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Speaker 1: for our annual lighting of the human centipede Menorah humans.

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Speaker 1: The originator of the human centipede is improbably a charming

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Speaker 1: panama hat wearing young Dutchman named Tom six. He had

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Speaker 1: you pronounce your first time again? Ilona? Okay, So we've

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Speaker 1: all met before. Because I was in the unique club

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Speaker 1: of people who watched your magnum Opus and was just

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Speaker 1: knocked out. I thought, my god, I've got to meet

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Speaker 1: this is my sister Elona, and she was like hello Alec.

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Speaker 1: And I got a chill. I thought, Man, if anybody's

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Speaker 1: going to redefined evil, it's you. What is horror to

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Speaker 1: where did you first get the idea? It's very simple,

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's so incredibly horrifying the

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Speaker 1: what was your childhood look in terms of film going.

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Speaker 1: How long didn't take to shoot that movie? Three weeks?

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Speaker 1: not like you're I don't. I don't. I don't expect

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Speaker 1: that's you know, mission impossible. It's money, but the unless

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Speaker 1: So was the third the third one? Yes? Right, so

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Speaker 1: which one performed the best at the box? Yeah? Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Say they made money. Yeah, but I like the third one.

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Speaker 1: I love the absolutely the best. That's your favor. That's

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Speaker 1: the black humor. It's dark, it's it's getting my way.

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Speaker 1: What were some of the difficulties for you in handling

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Speaker 1: doing next. Where the Human Centipede trilogy is body Horror.

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Speaker 1: Six says his upcoming film deals in pure psychological horror.

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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing. If you watch the first two installments of

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Speaker 1: the Human Centipede series. The first thing you notice is

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Speaker 1: the stark contrast between the two villains, Deeter Laser, the

429
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Speaker 1: domineering aristocrat, versus the Misshape and miscreant Lawrence are Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Director Tom six explains the difference is that Deeter he

431
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Speaker 1: had like a huge career. He did seventy films and

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Speaker 1: he's a big serious actor, stage actor as well. What

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Speaker 1: about the actor that played Martin again, what's his name,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence are Harvey. He did like very little things. Yeah,

435
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: he did donut commercials, exactly very small things. You mentioned

436
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: in an interview that I watched, when you said you

437
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: wanted to cast someone who was the opposite of Deeter.

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00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: The doctor in the original film is this gleaming kind

439
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Speaker 1: of an intense genius, and he's this very eccentric and

440
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: even aristocratic figure. And Martin is just like, you know,

441
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: like somebody expectorated on the ground. He's just a blob

442
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: of the disease written blob. But that guy, I when

443
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I saw his appearance, I said, he doesn't have to

444
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: speak in the film, it's just his his presence is

445
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: so strong. Well, Deeter is very trained in performing with words,

446
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: and theater, very commanding, very powerful. He should play fun

447
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: carry on in the film. He looks like he reminded

448
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: me of fun carry on. So, um, what did you

449
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: cut out of the film that you didn't put in

450
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: that was even? Is there a point where even you

451
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: sit there and go, we have to lose that it's

452
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: just too much. I put everything in, everything that comes

453
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: to my mind, and I put in the script is

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Speaker 1: in it, and you shoot it, and then you cut it,

455
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: and that's in the film. Yeah. Yeah, I shoot very economic,

456
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: so I should exactly what I want because there's no

457
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: scene you shoot when you say, oh my god, Elona,

458
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: even I have gone too far. I like in Part two,

459
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: the famous rape scene and the guy puts the barber

460
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: around his penis and then rapes his centipede. That's the

461
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: most groups of part in the film. And we were

462
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Speaker 1: shooting that and half of the crew they went crying

463
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: and they walked away, and I was like cheering from

464
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: this looked brilliant. It's like a symphony. It's almost yeah.

465
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: And then I looked behind me and all those people

466
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: were gone. They left, they left. He couldn't they couldn't

467
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Speaker 1: take it. Wow, And I what was it like with

468
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: the crew, Like, did you feel the crew respected you

469
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: and the way? Remember, not all directors are respected. The

470
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Speaker 1: movie could be you know, a love story or a

471
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: musical comedy or whatever. It doesn't matter. Not all directors

472
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: are respected by the crew. Trust me, But did you

473
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Speaker 1: find that your crew did respect you? Sit there and

474
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: go behind your back? They go. They probably have said it,

475
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: but maybe because of the of the charm. Maybe, and

476
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: because I'm entusiastic, I bring them into the story and

477
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: the adventure and I tell them they know exactly what's

478
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: well contagious. Yeah, maybe, and they they stand there and

479
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: they see it and they laugh. For example, part one,

480
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: we had a scene where the centerpieces shipping for the

481
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: first time and he had feet or feeder, and he

482
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: filmed that house in a suburban area where other houses

483
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: were around it and people were hanging out of their

484
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: windows looking at this those scenes and were horrified. But

485
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: the crew was laughing. Everybody was laughing. Yeah, you can

486
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: imagine a situation like that, Yeah, well kind of. I

487
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: completely Now. So number three I have not seen, and

488
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: I do think I should see it, definitely, because I

489
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: was told everybody that was the weakest of the three

490
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think obviously, because this is where

491
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: the couple of analogy goes even further, because obviously this

492
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: Godfather one, then Godfather too goes to another level that

493
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought Godfather three was a let down.

494
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: It's the best one of all three. It's a satire.

495
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I go back to my original punishment idea, and it's

496
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: for the prisons. So I I translated to a real

497
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: situation where if you do something horrible, you go to

498
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: a prison, you're sewn into a human centipede, and according

499
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Speaker 1: to your sentence, you put in it for a week

500
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Speaker 1: or maybe twenty years. So the centipede thing is the

501
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: sentence you've been talking about. This is getting back to

502
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: definitely the original idea. I think crime rates will drop

503
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: like pants in a whorehouse because nobody wants to be

504
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: in a human centipede. Yeah, I think so. I don't

505
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: think they live, actually, I think I think. I think

506
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: medically you die and be oh no. I I consulted

507
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: a real doctor in Holland, and he made He said

508
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: that people were to pass their waste product into your

509
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: mouth and into your bloodstream and your into your digester truck.

510
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: You would live. Yeah, if they get vitamin injections and fluids,

511
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: they could live like that for a long time because

512
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: it's not how long, it's not for a long long time.

513
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: If you get the right long enough to survive their sentence. Definitely,

514
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: because the thesis is not attacked by outside bacteria, right,

515
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: because it's contained. Yeah, it's stays in one constantly. Absolutely, Yeah,

516
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: you're given this a lot of thought. Oh yeah, the

517
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: doctor helped me for a very easet. You had gastro

518
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: entrologists consulting you, a real surgeon in Holland who wanted

519
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: to stay anonymous, but he made this very detailed operation

520
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: report and he was on the set as well helping.

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00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's pretty cool. That's that's why. Well,

522
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: cool is not the word. I wank nobody movie you.

523
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I want you to you you're you're You're

524
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: free to say whatever you want to say. How long

525
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: did that take to shoot? That was about six weeks.

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00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: That was our longer shoot because we had like hundreds

527
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: of extract prison. Yeah, big prison. And of course you

528
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: had a star in the lead role. Definitely, Eric Eric Roberts.

529
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: So Eric Roberts is one of the great movie actors.

530
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: In the past several years, and I worked with him

531
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Speaker 1: once on a film. How do you get Eric Roberts

532
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: to come and do the third installment? We had a

533
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: skype conversation with him. He loved the first like you

534
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: would love the first. Yeah, he got he got it.

535
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, you want to be in part three?

536
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: And I said, if I don't have to be on

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00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: my hands and knees centipede me, No, exactly, Yeah, And

538
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: he did it. And he was governor of the state,

539
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: so he's his prison is in the Is he the

540
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: one that comes up to the idea of centipeding everybody? No,

541
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: that's the accountant of the warden comes and who plays that?

542
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: That's Lawrence R. Harvey. I brought back Lawrence Harvey came back. Yeah,

543
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: then I got to see this Harvey and Deeter is

544
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: in it. Deeter is the warden and Lawrence R. Harvey

545
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: is his assistant. That's like getting Marlon Brando and denro

546
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: to be in Part three together. That's true in totally

547
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: different roles, in totally different roles, completely on and and

548
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: Eric plays the governor of the state. And what is

549
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: his what's his arc, what's his story? That this person

550
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: is is really cost inefficient. So there he's looking for solutions. Yeah,

551
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: he threads to shut the place down. And then you

552
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: guys figure it out absolutely, and they come up with

553
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: an idea under pressure and built the centipede system, which

554
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: is very cost anybody. And then the governor comes in

555
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: and he's of course, he says this, this will be

556
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: the death penalty for you, but in the end he

557
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: understands your situation and then he says, this is exactly

558
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: what America needs. Yeah, like that's yeah, you should check

559
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: it out if you want. It's I think it's the

560
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: best one. Did you have to pay Roberts some real

561
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: money to do the movie? I may can't imagine he's cheap.

562
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: It's not like Hollywood money because there's some millions of

563
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: docause those guys don't come cheap. Definitely. Now, Um, so

564
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: you and I connect on Skype with your sister. Yes, no,

565
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: is she really your sister? Or you say she's your sister,

566
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: it's really she's really like your co producer. And you

567
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: say she's your sister just to further ingrace you yourself

568
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: with that she's my sister. So that kind of takes

569
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: it makes it a little family business. Yeah, it is

570
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: a family business. Yes, she's literally your sister. Yes, okay,

571
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I take your word for yes. Were you and I

572
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: hook up on Skype? I reach out to you? Yeah, yeah,

573
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: I say, Mike, I just kind of talk to this guy.

574
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: You say to me, Alec, We're going to have a

575
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: group of people who are like a league of extraordinary villains,

576
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: and they're all people who are dedicated. They love human suffering.

577
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: The original concept for Onnania Club. They were all wealthy

578
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: because because so they could fly to like to Mexico

579
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: as an earthquake and see death and destruction and people

580
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: dying and suffering. And then you say to me, I

581
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: want you. I like to play a oncologists, but rather

582
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: than killing the cancer, you are giving people more cancer.

583
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: And to tear a page out of your own life.

584
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: We're going to have your wife be much younger than you,

585
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: very beautiful, very fit, and you are giving your wife's

586
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the cancer. You're killing your wife. So I'm sitting there

587
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: and I tell my wife this, and my wife like

588
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: literally looks at me. If you saw the look at

589
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: my wife's face, she was like, the whole dream of

590
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: me working with you just died in that one. My

591
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: wife looked at me like, that's never gonna happen. You

592
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: are never to be in within fifty miles of this guy.

593
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: He sounds a complete total nutbag. And I don't even

594
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: want that energy on you when you come home from work.

595
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: So I know you should see him. He's very charming,

596
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm very a brilliant And she says, no, you can't

597
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: do the movie. So then we're talking to say, okay, Alex.

598
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: So here's another idea. One of the people in the

599
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: in the film is going to steal the corpses of celebrities.

600
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: So I want you to come and shoot for one day,

601
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: and you're going to play yourself dead in the casket.

602
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: And the woman started chasing out the joint to figure

603
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: out the width of the door, framed how she's gonna

604
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: get the body out of there, and you play yourself dead,

605
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: And I thought, fantastic, And then I couldn't even make

606
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: that day work. Is all that's still in the movie.

607
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: It's all in the movie. So so it's so the

608
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: League of Extraordinary Villains, you know, Nanny equip as men

609
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: and women. It's you know, I change it to all women,

610
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: that all women, Yes, And that's even scarier because when

611
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: women women who masturbate on the misery of other people

612
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: and then masturbate to suffer. Yeah, exactly, So it's yeah,

613
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: it's the worst human emotion. It's shatter and freud, yes,

614
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: which happens in real life. Well but in the film, yeah, definitely.

615
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: But it's dark and powerful. And have you redefined evil? Yeah?

616
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I think so, I think so. Yeah. How many of

617
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: the women are in the league? How many actresses did

618
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: you have to give? Five? Five women? And where are

619
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: they from? American American actresses or anybody we would know?

620
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: No big names? No, who's the most well known? Jessica

621
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Morris is maybe the Jessica Morris is your name? She

622
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: does a series on television and stuff. And was it

623
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: difficult for you to entice people to come do this movie?

624
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Was very you can imagine because like you, I told

625
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: them the story and so many were offended leave the room. Yeah,

626
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: almost the same. And the smart ones they stay and

627
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: they want to listen more. I love you, I love you.

628
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: The people who understand who are the smart ones? They stay?

629
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: That's the name of your biography out It's an analogy

630
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: for the film going audience and everyone who works with

631
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you the smart ones they stay so of them aren't

632
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: so smart? And you shoot for how many weeks? We shot?

633
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Almost a month? Again? A little bit the same where

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Speaker 1: It's a secret. Well we won't say anything, but we'll

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Speaker 1: hold up some fingers, so so I can have an idea.

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Speaker 1: This much you can't, okay, how how international Woman of Mystery? Yes,

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Speaker 1: all non union, of course. But have you never had

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Speaker 1: any of the unions come and bother you because they

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Speaker 1: see and they monitor these things. But there's a casting

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Speaker 1: you know, because the actors has also worked non union,

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Speaker 1: so they they specially if they were not in the union.

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Speaker 1: Off they are some are how do you call the

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Speaker 1: can do some some non us some percentage of exactly. Now,

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Speaker 1: are you glad to get away from the centerpet thing

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Speaker 1: that that's done. Yeah, that's done. Four never ever will

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Speaker 1: I makes well fast? No? No, but I have so

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Speaker 1: many more ideas. My head is exploding. So the on

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Speaker 1: Anya Club is so very new, fresh, original. That's what

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Speaker 1: I like, and that's where I go for. When she

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Speaker 1: saw The Lost Cat I did, she was overwhelmed with

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Speaker 1: how powerful it was. It's evil, it's really evil when

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Speaker 1: you're watching a movie like Frankenstein. Yes, there's some moments

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Speaker 1: of humanity if you will, or decency in the world itself, definitely,

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Speaker 1: and in your movies there's none now. And like Martin

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Speaker 1: has some humanity, don't you think because he was abused

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Speaker 1: as a kid, he has some you you pity him? Said,

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Speaker 1: The audience feels for him, not everybody. And there's a

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Speaker 1: people see that, not all of them, Uh, moments of

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's balancences between humanity, real evil

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Speaker 1: and also dark humor. Not everybody sees her, but it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a difficult road to walk on for an audience.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like sex in the City, but then

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Speaker 1: on evil steroids, it's it's evil. It's sex in the city. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did the five women, but now there was four and sex. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a bonus, a bonus sexless city plus one. She

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Speaker 1: enters the group the fifth one, you bringing? You bring

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Speaker 1: it in the film? Yeah, definitely. Well that's a wonderful

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Speaker 1: setup for maybe a political thriller you can do where

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Speaker 1: the doctor is someone who you go to to cure

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Speaker 1: cancer and they're only giving you more cancer. That reminds

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Speaker 1: me of certain political figures in this country today, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you say? Absolutely? And when they don't have cancer, she

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Speaker 1: just tells them Dave cancer just to witness there as well.

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Speaker 1: And her she's she's lesbian. Now in the film, she

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Speaker 1: has his beautiful girlfriend who is this smoothie drinking, very

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Speaker 1: healthy girl, and she hates that she she looks at it.

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Speaker 1: She wants to destroy every healthy and in the moment

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Speaker 1: she she gets sick, their sex life goes to the roof.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine what's your next movie? I have two

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Speaker 1: line top and I can't tell about Yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: evil films as well, Yeah, the evil Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you did? It might not be your genre, though

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Speaker 1: it might, it might not be evil enough. I mean

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Speaker 1: I have a great idea. I think it's a great

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Speaker 1: idea of my idea. Everybody loves it, but nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to make it. Where's my Alona? I would love to

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Speaker 1: work with you. Stay tuned. I might eventually re redefine

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Speaker 1: evil alongside my guest human center being creator Tom six.

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Speaker 1: His upcoming film is called The Onnania Club, out early

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening

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