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Speaker 1: You're gonna love this part. Brian Dutcher the head coach

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Speaker 1: all the way back to when he first got the

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Speaker 1: back in the day. All of that led to him

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Speaker 1: Fisher coaching is an interim head coach, winning a national championship.

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Speaker 1: NBA is college basketball is about to get into way

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Speaker 1: a lot of exhibition games this uh. This week, Point

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Speaker 1: question becomes what happens Malik Monk. You know, when as

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Speaker 1: they're just different defensive. Russell Westbrook doesn't guard the way

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Speaker 1: do think that you're starting to see they want to

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Speaker 1: Let me get you to Brian Dutcher, the longtime assistant

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Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't a point guard in high school.

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00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: He had Howard Eisley, had Sean Leonard in the backcourt,

432
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: and Jalen was like a Swiss army knife. He played anywhere.

433
00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: But put him as a freshman point guard and and uh,

434
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: take a team to the national championship game is an

435
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: incredible feat by him and by coach Fisher. To see

436
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: that he could play that spot at an elite level.

437
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: The the other part that's really interesting. You mentioned how

438
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: Juwan is now. Um, anyone who's met Chris and I

439
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: know Chris has been in and out of that kind

440
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: of circle. Now he's kind of back in that circle.

441
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: But everybody knows Chris is exceptionally bright and every and

442
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: and Jalen is exceptionally bright. Um. Did you did you

443
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: know that? Like, it's one thing to get five tremendous

444
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: freshman and they obviously have this incredible bond before you

445
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: got them, did you know they had that level of

446
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: of acum basketball acumen like those are three? It's it

447
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: just feels really rare to get three kids that talented,

448
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: but they're also that smart and have that level of

449
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: wherewithal Did you know that before you got them? I

450
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: don't know. You would never I mean you could say

451
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: you did, but that wouldn't be the truth. You don't know.

452
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: You never know until you put them on the floor

453
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: and you put them out there together and you see

454
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, I know there's rankings and

455
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: there's hype, and we all embrace that. You know, it

456
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: sells tickets, it's good to promote the program. But until

457
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: you put them on the floor together and see how

458
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: they blend, how they meld. You know, for everybody was like,

459
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: when we recruited you wanna Chris, why would you go there?

460
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna get Webber. You're the same position as Weber.

461
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Once we got Juan, why would you go there. They've

462
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: got j Want you're the same position. You'll never play together,

463
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: And that's recruiting. And so when we got them, we

464
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: put them out there and they played great together. You know,

465
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: they complimented each other. And so you never know until

466
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: you put them out there on the floor. Maybe all

467
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden you get them and they're identical and

468
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: they both can't play together. So you at some level

469
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: there's there's what you think is gonna happen. Then there's

470
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: the reality of what happens, and that's never proven until

471
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: you prove that on the floor. Uh, the time out

472
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: and the Carolina game, and I do think what's what's

473
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: interesting about it is there are some moments in basketball

474
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: they're so big we completely forget about the whole rest

475
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: of the game. Right it was an unbelievable basketball game.

476
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: I've watched it like four or five different times and

477
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: all anybody focuses on is the time out, right, But

478
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: the travel that was missed and the time out and

479
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: all that was discussed years later. Now what do you

480
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: remember about that, Carolina? I just remember the comment I

481
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: made after the game in in I don't know if

482
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: it helped her at all, but it was like, we're

483
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: not here without Chris Webber, We're not in this moment.

484
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: And so to sit here and and and say he

485
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: cost us the title, we will have no chance to

486
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: win the title without him. And so yeah, uh, He's

487
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: not the only one that's ever called a time out

488
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: when when you don't have one. But that was a

489
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: big moment to do it. So it was national news.

490
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: But we don't come close to getting there, to reaching

491
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: that moment without him, And so I felt so bad

492
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: for him. And to his credit, he did not let

493
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: that moment define him. It was part of who he is.

494
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: He had to live with that. We all know that.

495
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: But he grew so much beyond that to be in

496
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: the Basketball Hall of Fame, to have the kind of

497
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: pro career he had, and and you look at it's like,

498
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: I mean those Sacramento teams, you remember that when they

499
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: played the Lakers, how close they were those games two

500
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: or he hits that three. There's always a moment in

501
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: the game. And Sacramento, Sacramento might have been good enough

502
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: to win an NBA title it wasn't for or He's

503
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: heroics at the end of some of those Laker games.

504
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: And so, uh, your career is what it is. You know.

505
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: You you go out there, you play as hard as

506
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: you can, as long as you can, you play the

507
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: right way, and hopefully you're rewarded, and sometimes you're not.

508
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: And Chris had a magnificent college and pro career and uh,

509
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorites of all time. And Chris

510
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: is one of my favorites more more so off the floor.

511
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, Chris was a prodigy. So everybody always wanted

512
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: a piece of Chris. They wanted to be around Christ

513
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: from the ninth grade on. But the moments where people

514
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: don't see him when he's with your kids and he's

515
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: around small children that don't have an agenda. He's so

516
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: good with people, uh, and and just so kind and

517
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: caring that a lot of people don't see that side

518
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: of him. But I got to see that firsthand with

519
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: my own kids. Um, what was it like locker room

520
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: really like after that, just dead silence. What what can

521
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: be said? You know, there's not you're not throwing chairs,

522
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: you're not yelling and screaming out of anger. You're just

523
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: dead silence. It's just the gravity of the moment. It's

524
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: like all that piled on top of you that you know, Uh,

525
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was the first time we lost

526
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: the year before the duke in the national championship game

527
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: with five freshmen, then the five sophomores come back and

528
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: to lose again, to have your your chance at history

529
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: right in your hands and let it slip through the

530
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: gravity of that, it's just devastating. It's just you sit

531
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: there and you're just in your own feelings and your

532
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: own thoughts at that time. There's nothing that anyone's gonna

533
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: say that's gonna make it easier. Right after that loss,

534
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: time heals so much, and you guys are going back

535
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: this year, right and going and go back and um,

536
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: those guys are are now back on campus obviously, which

537
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: want coaching, but it's it's much more than that. Um,

538
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: what is that gonna be like for you emotionally? Right

539
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: a place you're that's special to your entire family, a

540
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: place that you had so many growing years as a coach,

541
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: but a place that it didn't It didn't end the

542
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: way it probably should have, right, Like what's happened in

543
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Sandy State probably is what should have happened in ann

544
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: arbor Um For you personally, what's that gonna be? Like?

545
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: Taking your crew back and kind of getting the family

546
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: sort of back together with that game, It's gonna be great.

547
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I haven't been in the building since, so we get

548
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: back in the arena. Will be a lot of fun.

549
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: And and uh, play against a guy that I recruited

550
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: to the university. I mean, that's pretty cool that that,

551
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: and it souns way and it sun his son playing

552
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: as well, Like that whole thing is his son, his

553
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: son playing there, his other son going there. I mean,

554
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: this is a guy I knew since his junior year

555
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: high school. I went to to the apartment's uh when

556
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: he was a junior in high school, spent time with

557
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: his grandmother and his family, and you know, to see

558
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: him be the coach there, I couldn't be any more

559
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: proud of him. I mean, I mean, we probably shouldn't

560
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: let him coach the team. He's even as a freshman.

561
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: He's a heck of a coach, and so it's so

562
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: fun to be on this journey. And it's just you know,

563
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: coaching is a journey if you're fortunate enough to make

564
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: it a career in this business. And and it's hard

565
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, how many guys retiring the business.

566
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: I worked for one of them, Steve Fisher. But most

567
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: of the time you're retired before you're ready. But to

568
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: be able to go back and play against a guy

569
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: you recruited as ow, he's gonna be a special moment. So, um,

570
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: what do you remember about Coach Fisher telling you about

571
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: San Diego State? He just said, I had you know,

572
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: I sat a year. You know, I I left Michigan.

573
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: I stayed the year they didn't. They got rid of

574
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: coach right before the season, and I stayed with Brian

575
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: ellerb and Scott Troll. So we had a heck of

576
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: a year. We won the first ever Big Ten Tournament title.

577
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: That was the first year they had the tournament with

578
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Trailer and Travis Conlin, Bullock, uh passed and we had

579
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: a great team and and h Robbie Reid and and

580
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: uh to when that thing was so special. So and

581
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: then then uh to city year. I left after that year. Obviously,

582
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: I've been Steve's assistant coach for nine years and I

583
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't get the job. So I can't blame him for

584
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: not hiring me. They got rid of the head coach

585
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna give it to his long time assistant.

586
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: I understood that so as much as I would have

587
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: loved to have it, And so I sat a year.

588
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I worked with my dad, former coach at the University

589
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. He was in the investment business, and I

590
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: spent a year with him. He says, Brian, this is

591
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: a good business. You know, it's not coaching, but it's good.

592
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: And come here, spend a year with me and see

593
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: what you think of it. And obviously I didn't have

594
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: the passion for it. He did so, and my resume

595
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: in hand. You didn't stay in Arbor, No, I was

596
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. So I went to Minneapolis and was with

597
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: my dad and my mom and the family, and and

598
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: so I had my resume, and and I was going

599
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: to the final four to try to find a job.

600
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: You know, and and and coaches always have a high

601
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: opinion in themselves. But you realize when you don't have

602
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: a job, and you start having resumes out and like, wow,

603
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people aren't gonna hire me

604
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: or don't want to hire me, you know, and for

605
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, people it's hard to get a job in coaching.

606
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, this is let's say there's three hundred some

607
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Division one schools. Let's say at the very greatest end,

608
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: a hundred them are really good. That means there's three

609
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: hundred assistant jobs for the whole country. So how are

610
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: you gonna get one of those three hundred jobs? So

611
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I had my resume. I was going back to try

612
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: to get a job at any job in coaching, and

613
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Coach Fisher called me when I got there. He said,

614
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm taking San Diego State tomorrow. I want you to

615
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: come with me and promised me you'll stay three years.

616
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: You know that you'll help me build it, but if

617
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: you find something else. I understand that, but he promised

618
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: me you'll stay three and twenty three years later, here

619
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I sit as the head coach at San Diego State.

620
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: So what coach was able to do here, what he

621
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: was able to build, and what I was able to

622
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: take over as an incredible blessing. I want to get

623
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: to that in a second. Here's here's it's funny you

624
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: said about the number of coaching jobs. Remember I was

625
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: at ESPN and I had interviewed for a couple of

626
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: head coaching jobs, and I would have people say like,

627
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: why don't you just take an assistant job? And I

628
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: can remember being at the final four and you're in

629
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the lobby and you look at all the guys that

630
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: want those jobs, right, And I just thought to my

631
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: and I've always had this in my mind, which is like, look,

632
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I have actually I actually have more respect for how

633
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: hard it is. And that's why I never did it

634
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: right because I would look and I see a thousand coaches,

635
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: and I would know that there are five thousand more

636
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: that want those handful of jobs. Now I have a

637
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: job in covering the sport, which I would say, just

638
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: as many people want, but I have the equity, I

639
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: have the resume, Like, why would I put myself in

640
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: a pool of, you know, five thousand coaches for three

641
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: jobs when even though they're maybe fifty jobs in my field,

642
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: there's not nearly the number of people that have done it.

643
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: So I was it was the same kind of mental

644
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: calculation that I made in my brain. But Sandy You State,

645
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: so okay, as you know, I grew up in Orange

646
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: County and Sandy You State literally was the last school

647
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: anybody wanted to go to. Right City State And now

648
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: you go there if you want to party. But it

649
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: was at that and this is mid nineties, it was

650
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: everyone's safety school as for both basketball, not necessarily much football, basketball,

651
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: and just life in general. Right, it was. It was

652
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: the it was the you'd rather do Long Beach State? Right.

653
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: Maybe San Jose State was was was a slight notch blow,

654
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: but it was again off the radar sort of thing.

655
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Um when you arrive it's nineteen okay, you guys, it

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: was still in the old gyp. No, it was. It

657
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: was the new arena, right, it was the Okay, so

658
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: you're in the new arena. What did what did you know?

659
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: What did you think? What were those first couple of experiences, like,

660
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like field of dreams building and they

661
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: will come. The arena was a huge piece to our success.

662
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: You know, they were playing at Peterson Jim, they were

663
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: playing at the Downtown Sports Arena. They didn't have a

664
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: facility like we had when we got here. I think

665
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Trunkle was maybe in a one year just open. And

666
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: so you go there and you say, man, this arena

667
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: is big time nice. This is a big time college

668
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: basketball arena. And so you have something to bring them

669
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: to do. You walk in the building, you say, boy,

670
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: this is really nice. This is as good as anywhere

671
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna find on the West coast. And and so

672
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: that was a start to have a facility like that.

673
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: And then they built the Follower athletic building across the street,

674
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: weight rooms, offices, and when Smokey Games was here, they

675
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: were working out of trailers, you know. And so there

676
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: were a lot of good coaches here in good people,

677
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: but they didn't have anything to sell the school. It

678
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: was fine. The school was great, and and it's grown.

679
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: It's at one point, maybe a year or ald goes

680
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the second most applied to school in the country. You see,

681
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: it's completely it's it's it really does mirror your program

682
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: right now, Sandy say, it's hard to get into and

683
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: everybody wants to go there, and it's a lot like

684
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: your basketball program, which was completely dormant, and now it's

685
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know you c Alms won

686
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: the national championship, but that's you guys have been consistently

687
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: the best team in the state. Like that, it's a

688
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: it's a dramatic turnaround that they've kind of gone hand

689
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: in hand to school and and the program. Okay, but

690
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: go ahead. The thing I like about is the school's

691
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: embraced that. Dave embraced that men's basketball. The athletic department

692
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: is the front door to the university. You know, we

693
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: get the headlines. We helped draw people to the university,

694
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and they embrace that. They don't say, well, you're doing

695
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: We're doing it despite you. You know, they embrace the

696
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: fact that that our rise academically and athletic could been

697
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: on the same path. And so we enjoy that uh

698
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: camaraderie with campus. You know that we're all in this together.

699
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: We're trying to build the brand that is San Diego State,

700
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: both academically and athletically, and the school. You can see

701
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: you come to campus now, you can't even recognize it

702
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: from what it was, uh twenty three years ago when

703
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I got here. This place is unbelievably nice. And now

704
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: that we have another piece of land where they they

705
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: tore down qualcom the old Jack Murphy Stadium, well we're

706
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: building a thirty five thousand seed football stadium and we're

707
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna grow campus over there. So I think San Diego

708
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: State is still just scratching the surface of what it's

709
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: going to be as a university and as athletic program. Um.

710
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: Your first year, we played you guys, and you know,

711
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: my brother is like d O b O and I'll

712
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: never forget. We're playing at the Myriad in Oklahma City

713
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: and we're uh, I think it was a half and um,

714
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: coach Sutton comes in and he would do this every

715
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: now and again where he was in a really good

716
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: mood and we had a really good club, and um,

717
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: we played well in the first half, which you know,

718
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: like you as you know, you get a really good

719
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: team and really like your team, and then some days

720
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: they guys just played poorly and you're just all right,

721
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: how do we gonna fix? Just win this game? But

722
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: we were playing well, so came he sat next to

723
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: me and he said loud, so everybody can hear. You

724
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: need to tell your brother gets players. They won't be

725
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: there very long, right, So no one's ever done it

726
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: without players, And you guys started the process of it

727
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: wasn't really rebuilding you're just building right, never won the

728
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: league before, so you started the process. I think initially

729
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: it was with the transfers um and then you got

730
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: started to get kids that people missed on in l A,

731
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: in Sacramento, UM, in Modesto, in the England Empire? Did

732
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: did Did you guys have a philosophy with transfers? Was

733
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: that the plan? Like I I'm always I know, sometimes

734
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: things just happened, and you figure all everybody says, like

735
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: this plan, but sometimes things just happen, it works out.

736
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: It was there a thought or a philosophy of here's

737
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: how we're gonna build it initially and then we'll see

738
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: what happens after that. Well, Coach Fisher knew we had

739
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: a recruit. I wasn't at that game when Sandoz played there,

740
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: and I never missed a game. But Coach Fisher when

741
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: we got here, said, our futures in someone else's gym.

742
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: So I didn't need to be in our gym. I

743
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: need to be in someone else's gym finding as players.

744
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: So I missed games. I never missed games. But to

745
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: build a program, we had to go recroup players. I

746
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: think the two players that got the program started off

747
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: where Randy Holcom from l A City College, and and

748
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: and Tony Bland who transferred back from Syracuse because Tony

749
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: had a national reputation, He had a huge reputation and

750
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: al and Randy was just a warrior. He was a

751
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: player athletically, uh, temperament wise that they hadn't had here

752
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: in a while. And so those two, along with DeAndre

753
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: Mora transfer from Vanderbilt, came back and they were the

754
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: start of the program. And uh, we coach Fisher would say,

755
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta sell where we've been to start,

756
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: We've got to sell Michigan. But in three years, if

757
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about Michigan, we haven't done anything here. So

758
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: he knew we couldn't sit here and talk about Michigan

759
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: for ten years about the Fan five or the National Championship.

760
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: That would wear out. And so we had to get

761
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: players right away. And it was a bell curve. Doug.

762
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: We were in the n C Double A Tournament I

763
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: think our third year. I think our third year, we're

764
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: in the n C Double A Tournament. And then we

765
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: went down again and then we worked our way back up.

766
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about coaching that that frustrates me

767
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: and I know it frustrates coaches. When you take a job,

768
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: usually you're on a three year window, three or four years.

769
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: If you get to four years, year four and you're

770
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: not winning, your out. So that's saying you get hired

771
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: late your first year, all the recruits are gone basically,

772
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: so you fill in your second year is your first class.

773
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: You don't even get your first class into their senior

774
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: year and they've got they've they've moved on. They we

775
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: need someone else. And well, now when you replace a coach,

776
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: you're saying we're gonna replace the whole team because of

777
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: coach leaves. The whole team's leading now with the transfer market,

778
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and so I think schools have got to due diligence,

779
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: pick the guy that they think is right and then

780
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: give them time, give them time to build a program.

781
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: And we've had the time, and we've built a program now.

782
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean we're not like coaches say, we're not a

783
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: one hit wonder. We're not gonna be good one year

784
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: and then bad too, and then good one. We were

785
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: pretty consistently good now. And it's because of the words

786
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: that ever use culture, uh, belief, support. We have all

787
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: that now and so now it's not easier. I mean,

788
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: you still have to roll your sleeves up and work.

789
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Players just don't come. You have to go get them.

790
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: But I think, like you were saying, we were ahead

791
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: of the game in the transfer market back then, the

792
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: high majors of blue bloods that turned their nose up

793
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: to a transfer. And now everybody's in the transfer game,

794
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: and I think we kind of did it better than

795
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: anybody when it started. We did it pretty well with

796
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: Okam Star just gonna just gonna just gonna point that out.

797
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: We had, we were that was that was kind of

798
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: the key there, right, And we had I mean even

799
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: before me, obviously, Brett Robish came in UM and then

800
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: you know their final four team in two thousand four,

801
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: they had the grand Boys that were Central Florida. Uh,

802
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: they kind of fell into John Lucas, right. They had

803
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Tony Allen who's a JUCO. They had Daniel Bobbic who's

804
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: from b y U, Right. I mean they just they

805
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: figured out. I mean, I'm McFarland was kind of like

806
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: a San Diego State type where he was going to

807
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: go to Texas Tech. Then he was a prop so

808
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: he came to Oaklhoma State and He's just an absolute warrior.

809
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: That that's how they built that that team. Um okay,

810
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: So I think I think what people I think the

811
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: Kauai team. I felt like it puts you on the

812
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: national map. But what's interesting about the Kauai team is

813
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: now years later quite such an incredible player that you

814
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: get the sense that it was like he was a

815
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: one man team. I thought that team. What made that

816
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: team special was you had Mo and a couple of

817
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: other seniors that were Richie Williams right, his little point guard.

818
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: That was that was even before that Kauai's team starting

819
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: line was Malcolm Thomas who's still playing in Russia overseas.

820
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Billy White, who's as good as players you're gonna find

821
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: in the country. Athletic can play, d J. Gay who

822
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: would never turn the ball over, hit game winning Chase Tapley,

823
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Kawahi Leonard that off the bench, Bryan Carwell from Illinois

824
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: medi from France. We had Tim Shelton, just a warrior.

825
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean we were deep and big, and we were

826
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: thirty four and three. We lost three games that year,

827
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: twice to Jimmer and once to Kemba, the two best

828
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: guards in the country that year. So that team you

829
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: talk about rolling the dice and hitting it right. That

830
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: team was good enough to win a national championship. Now

831
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, wow, you didn't. We lost to

832
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: uh Connecticut and they wanted to win the title in

833
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: a pretty good game. And that was a game Kawhi

834
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: Leonard two years, never got a technical file, never said

835
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: a word, and all of a sudden first half, early

836
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: in the first half, he gets a file called on

837
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: him and then they hit him with a T so

838
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: we gotta put him on the bench for a bunch

839
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: of the first half. You know it's right away, two

840
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: files and so you never know. And Jamal Franklin that

841
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: game bumps into Kemba going off the floor, Kemba spins

842
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: and falls down technical filling. Jamal Franklin and we're a

843
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: pretty disciplined team that we're not undisciplined where we're just

844
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: uh doing crazy things. But crazy things happened in basketball.

845
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: So we didn't win it. But were we good enough

846
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: to win it? Yeah? We certainly were. Um you where

847
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: were where were you when you were told you got

848
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: you were getting the job? Uh? I think coach probably

849
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: called me in. Jim Sturk was our athletic director, and

850
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Jim was the one that hired Dick Bennett and and

851
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: had Tony coach and waiting Tony Bennett. So we had

852
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: great success with that Washington State. Come on, those guys

853
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: were really good coaches, the Bennetts, and so I had

854
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: the right athletic director. We came off the thirty four

855
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: and three year and UH Coach Fisher lobby for it,

856
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: and Jim Sturk thought it was a good idea and

857
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: they named me coach and waiting, and so that gave

858
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Coach Fisher. Sometimes a head coach, UH, you want him

859
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: to go as long as he wants to go, but

860
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: sometimes if he wants to help his assistant coach, he

861
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: might have to say, why better leave after a good

862
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: year to make sure Brian gets it well. Once I

863
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: named coach and waiting coach, go on whatever timeline he

864
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: wanted to go on. Maybe he would have anyway, but

865
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: he could say I can leave whenever I want, knowing

866
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: that Bryan's will be the next head coach, which I'm

867
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: always grateful to both me and Jim uh for for

868
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: doing that for me. And then obviously the president has

869
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: signed off on it, and then they said, well we

870
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: better call the Chancellor's office. This is an hr thing.

871
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: Can we name a guy in advance? They call the

872
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Chancellor's office. They said, we're good with it. So this

873
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: wasn't just an easy process. This is a lot of

874
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: work to get this done. Now. Your wife's an incredibly

875
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: talented artist, right, and you guys have been out there

876
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: twenty years? Did she ever? You've never switched homes, like

877
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: your income has changed the whole, Like you're you've you've

878
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: been there forever. Why not why not go get a

879
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: place where you you hear the waves crashing against you, know,

880
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: when you wake up every morning. Why not? Why not upgrade?

881
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: Why stay in the same place. It's like, it's who

882
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: you surround yourself with. When you're in a neighborhood and

883
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 1: you're in a house long time, it's not the house,

884
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: it's the people in your neighborhood. And we've loved the

885
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: people that we've lived around. And so yeah, we could

886
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: move a half hour away and find a newer house,

887
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: for a bigger house, But the neighborhood, the houses, the

888
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: people you put in it or around it, And so

889
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: that's the way we've been. We've loved our neighborhood. We've

890
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: loved where we are, and like I said, I live

891
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: how I live. I'm not you know, I get more money.

892
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going out and buying a bigger car anything

893
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: like that. I I don't do that sort of thing.

894
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm just happy with what I have and and just

895
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: live how I live. It's some really amazing stuff. Um,

896
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: when you first when when when Coach Fisher decided to retire,

897
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: what's that? What's that like? Like You've been with him

898
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: a long time and obviously, you know, outside the program,

899
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: you didn't know whether he wanted to keep coaching from

900
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: Mark or he wanted to spend time with his grandson.

901
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it's an incredible bond between those two,

902
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: between Mark and Coach in that you know, I almost

903
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: felt like Coach did a couple extra years because you

904
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: guys helped really run the program and he could spend

905
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: a ton of time with Mark at practice or at home,

906
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: and um, I thought it was the thing they had together.

907
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: What was What were the emotions like when he finally said, Hey,

908
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm really done this time. Yeah, Well, first of all,

909
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: Mark and Coach was a better way to spend time

910
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: with your son than on the same coaching staff. I

911
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: mean you're I mean you see your dad. If you're

912
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: not working together, how you see your dad on the weekends,

913
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe occasionally, but to go to work with your son

914
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: every day, to have that kind of relationship is incredible.

915
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: And Mark and coach shared that, and now Mark shares

916
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: that with me. I'm so gratefully still on the staff.

917
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: But uh, coach called us all in the office and

918
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't know ahead of time. That's one thing

919
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: I thought he would tell me before he told anybody.

920
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: So you didn't know at all. No, I didn't know

921
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: at all. He called the whole coaching staff and we're

922
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: all sitting in his office and he said, uh, I'm

923
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: retiring as of this week, and Dutch has taken over.

924
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: It's like I heard of everybody else. I'm like, oh

925
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: my goodness, craztions. Of course you have that feeling immediately.

926
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: Oh man, how good are we? Better be good. I

927
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: gotta get to work. And you know, as much as

928
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: you say, it's always easier as being an assistant because

929
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: you can always say, well, I would have done this

930
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: or I would have done that. And now you're the

931
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: head coach. It's okay, Now what are you gonna do so. Uh,

932
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: you always learned something, do you know? I thought I

933
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: would have been a good head coach when I was thirty,

934
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have been as good a head coach

935
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: as I was when I took over in my fifties.

936
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, you learn a lot of lessons along the way,

937
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: and if you survive, you're lucky to put them to use.

938
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: And so I learned a lot from Steve Fisher. I

939
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: learned a lot from my dad, Jim Dutchr. I learned

940
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: a lot from two years with Lou Henson in Illinois,

941
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Thorson at South Dakota State. There's lessons

942
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: to be learned, and if you're fortunate enough to survive,

943
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: you can put those lessons to work. So hopefully that's

944
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. I'm uh. I've got a good contract,

945
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: I got a good team. I've got great assistant coaches

946
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: that that make my life easy. You know, I can

947
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: go out there and I can I can sit back.

948
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: And I learned this from coach. If you've got good people,

949
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: you have to delegate. You can't sit there and have

950
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: them on the sideline watching you run a practice and

951
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: doing all the talking you have to delegate. And if

952
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: you delegate then they feel like they're contributing on a

953
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: daily basis. Then they want to stay because they feel

954
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing is winning games and it is. So

955
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: I've got a great coaching staff. Dave Alaska's Chris Hacker,

956
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: J D Luster, J D. Pollock, Matt Story has been

957
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: with me as my ops guy for twenty some years.

958
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Days when with me twenty some years. And so I've

959
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: got a great staff and they make my life easy

960
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: and it makes it fun to come to work every day. Um,

961
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: and as much as you thought you'd be great at

962
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: thirty and you know you're better at fifty, there wasn't.

963
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't you didn't have the best team in the

964
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: league right away. It wasn't when you know, competing for

965
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: national championship right away? Was it? Were there any moments

966
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: of self doubt We're like, maybe this isn't what I

967
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: what I thought it would be in those those first

968
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: couple of years. They weren't that that was that was

969
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: not a part of the championship cycle. What was that

970
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: like where you emotionally mentally, in terms of your own

971
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: personal self confidence in what you thought you could do yeah,

972
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: you're always you always fight the confidence battle. You want

973
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: to make sure you're doing you're putting your team in

974
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: the best position to win and sold. The first year,

975
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: I think we finished in fourth place, but we were

976
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to play really good basketball down the stretch

977
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: and we won the postseason conference tournament, made the n

978
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: C Double A tournament first year. The second year, fourth

979
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: place again, uh we've made it the conference tournament. We

980
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: lost in the championship game to Utah State. Third year

981
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: was the dream year thirty and two, and then have

982
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: it cut short by COVID and then last year, uh

983
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: we won the regular season and the post season tournament.

984
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: And so it's been a really fun run the first

985
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: four years. But the only thing as a coach I

986
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: want to do, I want to make sure I put

987
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: my team in a position to win. Now if they

988
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: don't win, sometimes that happens and and and you know

989
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: what it is done. You put in your best player's hands,

990
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: You give them space to play, and then he's gonna

991
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: make a play to win or lose the game, and

992
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: then you have to live with that. I get upset

993
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: where I call a play it's in the wrong player's hands.

994
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: At the wrong time, and I don't put him in

995
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: a position to win. If I put him in a

996
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: position to win, that I'll live with the results. So

997
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: whether that's and usually that's your best player. Usually year one,

998
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: that's okay. I'm gonna put it in tray Kel's hands

999
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna live with what happens. Or

1000
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: year three, mal guy is gonna make. He's gonna win

1001
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: and lose the game. And I'm good with that. If

1002
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: he wants to shoot it, shoot, if he wants to

1003
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: pass it, pass it, I can't tell him what to do.

1004
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: He's a player. He makes a play. And then last year, obviously, uh,

1005
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell and Jordan shackle are like so important to

1006
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: me because they were freshmen my first year. So they

1007
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: go through the program four years, they hang four banners,

1008
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: and those two guys were absolute stars last year. I

1009
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: mean Matt's conference m v P and Jordan's shackles as

1010
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: good at shooters there is in a country bouncing up

1011
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: making game winning shots. I mean like thirty seconds of

1012
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: the game, like coming off a pin down, raising up

1013
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: making it. That's not coaching. That's a player. Now, I

1014
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: I'm living with those results. Those guys pay their dues

1015
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: of the program. So sometimes you overcomplicated. You think of

1016
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: coaches winning games. Uh, the players are gonna win and

1017
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: lose a game. The coaches has to put him in

1018
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: a position to have a chance to do that. It's

1019
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: a great way of looking at it. You mentioned the

1020
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: thirty and two COVID year in your Heart of Hearts?

1021
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Was that a national championship team? I don't know, maybe

1022
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: thirty and two. Maybe you don't know. If Malachi gets

1023
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: hot for six games in March, maybe it is. You know,

1024
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: Yanni's good, I got Matt and Jordan's kJ. I got

1025
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: a really good team. So yeah, if we get the

1026
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: right matchup and and we we sneak one out, we're

1027
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: not supposed to. You never know who whoever knows who's

1028
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: really gonna be the champion. Um. Your style defensively has

1029
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: changed over the years, right, There's some things that you do.

1030
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: You guys are always great on the boards, free throw

1031
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: rebounding is always amazing. There's some things that you do

1032
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: their staples of San Diego State basketball. But you've gone

1033
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: through different incarnations of what you're doing in the full court,

1034
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing in the half word. You know, there

1035
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: were a couple of years there where you guys are

1036
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: just somebody declares the side they ain't going to the

1037
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: other side, and you had such great length. I remember

1038
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: there was a year where you guys try to do

1039
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: a little pack line for a period of time and

1040
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: then mid season you nixed it. Um your personal philosophy

1041
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: at the defensive end, because that's really the calling card

1042
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: of what you guys have been able to do great defensively,

1043
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: great rebounding. What is your personal philosophy on what you

1044
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: want to do defensively? Play hard, work on it every

1045
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: day everyday. Things we do closeouts every day. You gotta

1046
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: close out with high hands. We do shell drill every day.

1047
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to rotate. We have a fix

1048
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: it mentality. It's not gonna go right. Just fix it.

1049
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't care if you run off a guy and

1050
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: it's not like we drew up. Just fix it. I

1051
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: don't really care. Just get the results. And so so

1052
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: many guys, the coaches say this is what it's gonna be,

1053
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: and then when it doesn't happen that way, everyone stops because,

1054
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: oh you made a mistake, you mad mistake. I don't

1055
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: care who makes a mistake, Just keep playing. Just play

1056
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: to the end of the possession. That's what the NBA

1057
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: does during scramble ninety percent of the game. So we're

1058
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: in scramble, and then we tried then a lot of

1059
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: scouts specific are we gonna send the ball down the

1060
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: base on a We're gonna send it middle? You know it?

1061
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Basketball change, dougg and you know how it was. I

1062
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: don't know if you played in an era where you

1063
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: had to keep your hand on top of the ball,

1064
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: you turned it over every time you dribbled it. But basically,

1065
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: now basketball is five running backs. They can they go

1066
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: anywhere at that ball on the dribble, so it's really

1067
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: hard to guard them. So you gotta try to take

1068
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: what direction you want to send them and then have

1069
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: help sitting there. Um. Now, this team, you mentioned me

1070
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: lost three thousand point scorers last year's team. But I mean,

1071
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: this is where you talked about having a program. You've

1072
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: built up a depth of athletic talent, who WelCom in

1073
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: some new transfers. What's the challenges of this team after

1074
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: losing a couple of just great, great program guys. I

1075
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: told this team we're gonna be good but how soon

1076
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: we're good, I don't know. You know, we're gonna be

1077
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: good from game one and hit hit the ground running?

1078
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: Is it gonna take us a while to figure out

1079
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: who we are? And a lot of that is, you know,

1080
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: I knew who I wanted to have the ball Right now,

1081
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably saying, let's put it in and Trey

1082
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: Pollium or Matt Bradley's hands and live with the results. Well,

1083
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: which one am I really gonna put it in at

1084
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: the end of the game? You know? Is it won

1085
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: one game one the other? I don't know. So who's

1086
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: going to carry us down the stretch? We're going to

1087
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: guard hard, We're gonna rebound. You know, we have to

1088
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: shoot it. Obviously we lost really good shooting, but we've

1089
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: got good shooters. We got to see if they make

1090
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: them timely games. And then who am I going to

1091
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: ride down the stretch when the game's on the line,

1092
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: and I may that may take a while to figure out.

1093
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned Matt Bradley. It's interesting, right, here's a tremendous

1094
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: player at cow transfers in And this is what I've

1095
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: always found fascinating about your program is you've had a

1096
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: lot you've had a lot of of transfers, Xavier things.

1097
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: The perfect example, he's at Wazoo and he's a really

1098
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: good player, but they're not competing for league titles. They're

1099
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: not competing to go to the Sweet six team. So

1100
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: you don't really know how a kid is going to

1101
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: react because even though it's the same sport, it feels

1102
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: like a different sport. When you're competing for a championship.

1103
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if his Mountain West Pack twelve whatever, Like,

1104
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: there's a different level attention to detail, the quality of shots,

1105
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: the quality of possessions, things you do defensively, you know,

1106
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: just things you can't try and get away with if

1107
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: you want to win a championship. Um, how do you

1108
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: teach that to like, let's say Matt where he's been

1109
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: two years a cow but they haven't really won. So

1110
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: now he comes into a program where all you guys

1111
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: do is win. But part of it is there's a

1112
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: a winning mentality and understanding of defense and rebounding, the

1113
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: little the shots that you need to take to win.

1114
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: How do you teach that the players who have come

1115
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: from programs where it's nothing that's not taught, but it's

1116
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: not as necessarily used as much or as important because

1117
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: they're just not competing for the top of their league

1118
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: or for the top of the n c A pie.

1119
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: A lot of that's recruiting. You have to ask him

1120
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: why are they transfer, why are they coming here? And

1121
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: most of the ones we take are saying because I

1122
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: want to win at a higher level. Okay, so those

1123
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: are words out of their mouth. So when they get here,

1124
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: it's like, you want to win. This is what you

1125
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: have to do to win. You know, if if you're

1126
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: recruiting a guy and he says, well, I want to

1127
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: come put my numbers up at your place, then maybe

1128
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: you don't want that. You want to. You want to

1129
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: hear from them that they're coming to win. And some

1130
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: guys we've had say, Coach, I didn't want to score

1131
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: as much as I had to with this program, but

1132
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: I had to. I had a score for us to win.

1133
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: And that's not Matt, this is someone else. But this

1134
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: is just a general example. I want to I'm willing

1135
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: to sacrifice to win. And so when things don't go right,

1136
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: maybe they don't get their numbers and they come to

1137
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you and like there because we all are selfish to

1138
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: a degree, that's human nature, and their numbers aren't the same. Well,

1139
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: you came here to win. We're winning, and I told

1140
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: you to have to sacrifice part of your game to win.

1141
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: This is what it is. And so if you're honest

1142
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 1: with the message, you're honest, Why why they're coming here.

1143
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: There's not a person in the world. They may not

1144
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: like it, but won't accept honesty. The thing you can't

1145
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: do is lie to them and say, I'm gonna give

1146
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: you this many shots. I'm gonna give you this many points.

1147
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: This is what you're gonna do, and we're gonna win.

1148
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: It's like, if you want to win, this is what

1149
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: it looks like. You know, you can't run to the ball.

1150
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: You got a space the floor. We have other good

1151
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: players you can't. You got you want them to give

1152
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: you space. When you have it, then give them space.

1153
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, don't run to the ball, stay spaced, uh

1154
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: move the ball. If you get two on, you pass

1155
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: the ball. If you got one on, you score the ball.

1156
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that, you know. But if you

1157
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: get two on, you I don't want you shooting the ball.

1158
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: You have to move the ball. So and now there

1159
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: are examples three to one shot clock. Then you gotta score.

1160
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is. You gotta too on

1161
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: your shoot the ball three to one and you gotta

1162
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: shoot it. Shoot it. So it's just it's just anything

1163
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: you would tell any kid that's playing in middle school

1164
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: on up elementary school, play good basketball. You could change

1165
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: one thing about the college game, just the game itself.

1166
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: It would it be Oh, I like college basketball. I

1167
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: like the thing I like about college basketball that's different

1168
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: than pro basketball. I like throwing the ball inside. I

1169
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: like a post stuff game. And it might not be

1170
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: a center. It might be uh Winston Shepherd or j. J. O'Brien,

1171
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: your power forward or your small forward or your guard.

1172
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: I like a post stuff game. And I just think

1173
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: I love that about college where the NBA, I think

1174
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: a metric are such where they don't throw it in

1175
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: enough as much as the numbers tell you this. Yeah,

1176
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: I think I think you have to throw the ball

1177
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: inside something to be a good I think I think

1178
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. It's a great it's a

1179
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: great point. I think the reason that the PPP tells

1180
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: you to not throw it in in the NBA game

1181
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: is they don't call fouls. Right. It's so physical down there,

1182
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, well they don't you guys don't make it. Yeah, great,

1183
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: but if you call fouls, you know, especially when guys

1184
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: use their lower body when you go up to shoot. Um,

1185
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different We look at the post

1186
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: game completely differently because you can it's the body shot

1187
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: that you can get somebody in a foul trouble, that

1188
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: you can get to the free throw line where you

1189
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: can when you get to the free throw line, you

1190
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: can set up your defense as well or set up

1191
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: your press. Um. I do think we also, I think

1192
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: the NBA does it better than college, but I think

1193
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: some college start to use the post is a great

1194
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: spot to run your offense through to pass out of

1195
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: because it flattens the defense. Um. But that's a little

1196
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: bit advanced. But I think part of that is when

1197
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: you get you know, your hybrid wings that you guys

1198
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: always have that can pass down there. They got people

1199
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: score down there too, so they create everybody's attention. But

1200
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: automatically people pay attention to it. I love, you know,

1201
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: when I've coached overseas, I love the short reset of

1202
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: the clock. I just think that's it's it's the it's

1203
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: the best because you get an offensive rebounding You guys

1204
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: are a great offensive rebounding team. But it triggers you

1205
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: to get another one up and then get another one up,

1206
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: get another one up, and not bringing out and set offense. Right.

1207
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: I I don't I always I've always been a stay

1208
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: away from the shot clock. I'm involved a little bit

1209
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: on that. Um, I think thirties fine. I don't know

1210
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: where are you in the shot clock? I like it.

1211
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you're short in the shock clock,

1212
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: and and we're not the pros. We don't have everybody

1213
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: on the team's cable getting a shot, and so you're

1214
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: dealing short shot clock is a wrong player's hands, and

1215
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: then it's bad basketball because they gotta do something with it,

1216
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: you know. So, I think we want good basketball, So

1217
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: if that means an extra past to get into good

1218
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: player's hands, everybody wants to see good players make plays,

1219
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: you know. So, I think a shorter shot clock when

1220
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: you got pro players out there is fine because everybody

1221
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: can make a play. Maybe some more capable of others,

1222
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: but everybody's capable of doing something. But in the college game,

1223
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: some guys aren't capable making a play. The rebounders or

1224
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: screeners or defenders there there. As much as you want

1225
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: them to have the ball, not everyone can make a

1226
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: play with the ball. Has there been a moment where

1227
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: you've had the perspective of what it was like when

1228
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 1: you first got there to what it's like now. Yeah,

1229
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: when you walk in and look at the banners, you

1230
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: walk in and there you don't have a banner, and

1231
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: then twenty three later years later you have fourteen banners

1232
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: up there for conference championships. That's where you sit there

1233
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: and go, wow, we've done a lot here. That's the

1234
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: most in the conference. So uh, that doesn't lie you

1235
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: to look up there and we're here to win championship US.

1236
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: So when you look at banners, that's championships. Now U

1237
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: c l A looks at only national championship banners and

1238
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: we want to hang one of those. But you know,

1239
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: a conference title means something and we played for one

1240
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: every year. When when you call it quicks, what do

1241
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: you want people to say? O'Brien Dutcher, this is who

1242
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: he was as a coach, just that he was. He

1243
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: just won games. He just won basketball games. I don't

1244
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, I learned this from Steve. You know, when

1245
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: we win, let's give credit to the players, Let's give

1246
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: credit to other places. When we lose. In you have

1247
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: to step up and take the responsibility because you're the

1248
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: top of the program. And so I just want to win,

1249
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: win the right way and and and help these kids

1250
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: graduate and make something of their lives beyond basketball. I

1251
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: mean we we talked beyond basketball every day, some thought

1252
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: of the day, some life lesson And I always said

1253
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: this about Steve Fisher, and hopefully I'm somewhat the same.

1254
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. Hopefully. He was like that steady dripping

1255
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: water on a rock. You know, that steady dripping will

1256
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: eventually wear a hole in that rock. And that's like

1257
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: these kids are like rocks. Like we deliver the same message.

1258
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: And some of them might get it from day one,

1259
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: some might take three years. But when they left the program,

1260
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: they all had a little Steve Fisher in them. Hopefully

1261
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: when they leave the program, they'll all have a little

1262
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: bit of me with them for the rest of their lives,

1263
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: whether it's a message I deliver or the way I

1264
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: carry myself. You mentioned that, is there a player that

1265
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: you think of that like, forget about the NBA. We

1266
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: changed this kid's life when he got here to what

1267
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: he's doing now. We got a few right now. We're

1268
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: trying to change their life. So every day that's the

1269
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: beauty of this job. I mean, I turned uh sixty

1270
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: two the other day and and I'm still working with seventeen, eighteen,

1271
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: and nineteen year olds, so uh the age who ever

1272
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: changes So it's the same challenges every year with that

1273
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: age group, and and just try to get them focused

1274
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: on the right things that uh there. This is I

1275
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: tried to tell him, this is a very small window.

1276
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: Four years seems like forever, but this window was so

1277
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: small to make the most of what you have to

1278
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: get yourself prepared for life, either in basketball and more

1279
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: importantly beyond basketball. This window is small, so we have

1280
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: to do everything to maximize what you're doing here and

1281
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: just trying to you know, speak that daily message about

1282
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: doing the right things, representing yourself first, your family second

1283
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: in this program there or don't do anything that would

1284
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: embarrass any of us. Your favorite win favorite win, UH

1285
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: National championship game Overseaton Hall. You're you're the loss that

1286
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: still hurts the most UNLV game ten point lead with

1287
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: under a minute to go, lost in overtime. What happened? Uh,

1288
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: mis free throws filled on a three. You know, that

1289
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: kind of lead with that amount of time is tough

1290
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: to lose, and that was devastating. So you always remember

1291
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: the loss is more than the winds, you know, the business,

1292
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: it's the nature of the sports nature. You know, when

1293
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: you think, thinking, man, um, give me a game. You

1294
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: think you lost. You lost personally, yes, you said you

1295
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: gotta put kids in the best situation. You're like, you know,

1296
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: what screwed that one up? I know you take credit

1297
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: for every loss, but it's not really you don't. You know,

1298
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: it's not really your fault. But there are something like, yeah,

1299
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: let's give that one out. I'm trying to stop when

1300
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have subbed burned the time out. They shouldn't

1301
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: have burned, you know. I know, well, Dave Alaska is

1302
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: yells at me all the time. He says, you think

1303
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: you're taking those time outs with the grave with you,

1304
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: come on, take a time out, and I don't take

1305
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: enough time outs. I guess I like him to the end.

1306
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: I think when you get in a close game, it's

1307
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: almost like the NFL, it's like you need those time outs.

1308
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: It's like if you need to at the end, Like

1309
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: if you're getting pressed at the end and your time

1310
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: outs are gone and you turn it over, I'm gonna

1311
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: be sick taking one early, you know. So sometimes I

1312
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: think these guys are good enough to play through some

1313
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: of this. I tell the guys, what am I gonna

1314
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: tell him in the time out? They know what they

1315
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: have to do. They just gotta get it done. You know.

1316
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: It's not like a disaster. So I'm maybe I don't

1317
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: take enough time outs. Maybe I don't know what games specifically.

1318
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: I can't think of the game. There are plenty of them,

1319
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: but I can't think of one specifically. When you take

1320
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: it out, or you when you're mad, you you hook

1321
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: a guy, you you what's your what's your what's your

1322
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: move for getting the guy out of the game. I just,

1323
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the assistance, you know, I want to get,

1324
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: Like mistakes happen in basketball. That's the thing. Maybe I'm

1325
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: more suited to now than I was younger. You know,

1326
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: guys aren't there trying to trying to make mistakes, and

1327
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: sometimes no matter how well you prepare, you're gonna get

1328
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: off to a bad start. It's a long game. I

1329
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: try not to overreact to everything. You know, if we

1330
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: if a team gets an eight start on us, I'm

1331
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: not pulling the starting five and yelling at everybody you

1332
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: weren't ready to play. It happens at runs are That's

1333
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: every game everywhere, So you know, I'm not trying to

1334
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: overreact to anything. I'm like I said, this is a

1335
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: lesson I learned from Steve Fisher. We're teachers. We're coaches,

1336
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: but we're teachers and our classroom is the court. So

1337
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: we teach every day. We give them all the answers,

1338
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: but the game is the test. I can't give you

1339
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: the answers. Now. You have to know the answers. Now,

1340
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: after the game, we can go back and watch tape.

1341
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 1: There'll be plenty to learn. After that, we can correct

1342
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: the test. But right now, I don't want you obsessing

1343
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: over every mistake. Just go out there and play. You

1344
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: know the answers. And and I think some coaches micro

1345
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: manage your teams during the game. They yell at every

1346
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: mistake and and then you yell at this end. Now

1347
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: they don't play defense at that end. Now they give

1348
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: a layup up, you yell at defense, and now they're

1349
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: thinking about that of back trying to play offense thinking

1350
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: of the mistake they just made on defense. You know,

1351
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: that's why sometimes made it up here like we're not

1352
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: coaching them hard, but we've coached them hard all week.

1353
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: Now we gotta let them play because we've given them

1354
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 1: a game plan. If they can't follow, we're gonna get beat.

1355
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: But I can't give them the game plan while the

1356
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: game's going out. Favorite arena to play at that you

1357
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: guys played, because now I was there when you beat

1358
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Kansas at Kansas. But I tell people all the time

1359
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: when New Mexico is right, that place is unbelievable. You

1360
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: can't coach your team in there. You can't hear you can't.

1361
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: You can't your team can't hear you in the time out.

1362
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: It can get that loud in there, so they take

1363
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: you out of the game. The fans take the coach

1364
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: out of the game play. What I think is unique

1365
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: about that place is not just below ground altitude. I

1366
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: think all that, but it's that the old people like

1367
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: your guys. Gucciro is pretty loud, right, But there gucci

1368
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: Ro with their fans are there. I don't even know

1369
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: if they have a student section. I know they got

1370
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: but it feels like readult in Town just comes with

1371
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: the sole purpose of now I can scream for the

1372
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 1: next two hours. And so you get old people that

1373
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: are just as into it as the students are. That's

1374
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: what I think is unique about alvacrequ you a soul out,

1375
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: a soul out. We've had some epic games in there,

1376
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: and obviously Richard is trying to get it go on Paul.

1377
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, Paul had a really good first year. There

1378
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: was incredible. But then, like I said, this is where

1379
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: you talk about the window. You know, your window small.

1380
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: You know you're three or four. You know, if you're

1381
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: not winning, then people get nervous and they want to

1382
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: make a change all the time. And I don't know

1383
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: if that's good or bad. Um. You mentioned so many

1384
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: things that you learned from Steve. The lesson or the

1385
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: phrase or something your dad said that rattles around in

1386
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: your brain. Often is what boy, Now you're really dating

1387
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: back because I was at college. Then it's just, you know,

1388
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: it's just how you treat people. It's not a message.

1389
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: You can treat people the right way. You know, uh,

1390
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: uplift people. Be honest with him, but try to uplift them.

1391
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: Don't you know it's hard enough, uh, with a guy

1392
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: that's on you every day, every day. Now, there were

1393
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: coaches like that, and there's the it's flipped. There are

1394
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: fewer coaches that that are brow beating their kids and

1395
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: and and that's where the game's changed. And a lot

1396
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: of that's just because of UH. People are less tolerant

1397
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: of you can't treat people the wrong way and and

1398
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: maybe you know there's life lessons in that too, But

1399
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: I've never been that way. I've always been a guy

1400
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to uplift people around me. My dad was that way.

1401
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, treat people the right way, treat them with respect,

1402
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: and you'll get the most out of them. Did you

1403
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: know Kauai was going to be And I know he's

1404
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: currently hurt, but did you did did you know? I

1405
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: called back to the office watch him work out his

1406
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: junior year, and I said, I think this kid's an

1407
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: NBA player now that I think he was one of

1408
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: the top five players in the world. No, I didn't

1409
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: think that, but I thought he was an NBA player

1410
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: when I watched him as going into a senior year

1411
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: high school. Have you ever heard the story of my

1412
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: brother when he was when he wanted to reassignm cow

1413
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: You know the story. Yeah, I was at the same workout, Okay,

1414
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: So I'll share with you his version of it and

1415
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: how I played a small role in. So he gets

1416
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: So he gets to stay on with money because he

1417
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: went up there to be a bet and he's got it.

1418
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: He's the recruiting court in your money hadn't recruited, you know,

1419
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: since he left left to college. So he's like, what

1420
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: do we need? He is like, well, we need biggs.

1421
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: Well who are we gonna go get? And he's like,

1422
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: there aren't that many good bigs. But there's a kid

1423
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: named Kawhi Leonard MLKA High School and Riverside that's the

1424
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: one we need to get. How big is six five

1425
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: six six? I thought you said we need a big

1426
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: let's just go see him. So they go see him,

1427
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: and Monty Famous he said, I love him, but he's

1428
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: not big enough to play inside in the pack pack ten,

1429
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, And you know Greg's trying to sail, like, look,

1430
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be a five. He's gonna be a

1431
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: four than eventually be a three. He's like, you don't

1432
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: have to sell me on the kid. I love the kid,

1433
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't need any more wings. And he's not big

1434
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: enough to play inside the pack. Then not big enough

1435
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: to be a four, not skilled enough to be a three.

1436
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: That was the talk, right, So um and and Greg

1437
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: had been trying to you know, regardless of what he

1438
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: took him or didn't take him. He was like, you

1439
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta get this kid in McDonald's All American team. He's

1440
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: a player of the Year in California. Is not a

1441
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: McDonald's All Mary. It's a joke. This guy is so

1442
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: good and he deserves a recognition. It was more about

1443
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: recognition for quiet, So you guys get him. Fast forward

1444
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: one year later. I'll never forget this. It's um. I

1445
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: think you guys played in the semifinals or maybe the quarterfinals,

1446
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: and he had twenty and twenty as a pressure to

1447
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: twenty and so Greg calls me and they just played

1448
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: a game, and I'm in the control room. The way

1449
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: it worked at ESPN, he had this. It was like

1450
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: three different sets and then there's like a little open

1451
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of control room where you could go in while

1452
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: you're on in on your in studio, but you're not

1453
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna sit at the desk the whole time. It's just

1454
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: it's hot, it's not fun. You're going and when the

1455
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: researcher is, you got all the games up, so you

1456
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: got like twenty games up. So he calls me and

1457
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, that's a good win. I

1458
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, do you see what Kauai did? He's like no,

1459
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: I was like, he had twenty and twenty. So he

1460
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: puts me on speaker. He goes, hey, Doug, tell tell

1461
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: me again, how did Kawai letard do? I go, Uh,

1462
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: he had twenty and twenty in a conference tournament game,

1463
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: and uh money in the backgrounds like kiss my ass.

1464
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: Don't ever say that name of my presence ever again. Love. Yeah,

1465
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: that was. I mean, he's he just an amazing, amazing

1466
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: player that I really honestly. I mean, he would have

1467
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: been great at wherever else he went to. Pack twelve

1468
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: schools would have gone hard after him. But he just

1469
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: fits you guys, right, Like that's the unique thing about

1470
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: Kauai is he fit your culture right. And and I

1471
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: know you took him because he's so good, but it

1472
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: isn't amazing how the greatest player that you've coached, Sandy

1473
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: was state perfectly fit your culture and and he's just

1474
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: he That's to me, what it signifies is it's not

1475
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: just about how good he is, It's about he because

1476
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: of his defense is tough, this is rebounding, but also

1477
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 1: it is willing to get the willingness to get in

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