WEBVTT - America Is Sick 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.440 Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Willka up Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.919 Meet Your Girl Danniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.200 in my upcoming conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:27.240 doctor Jonathan Metzel, we pre recorded the conversation, so I 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.000 just want you all to know that that some of 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.959 the things that we have talked about that you will 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.120 listen up to in this upcoming episode. We pre recorded 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.720 a couple of days early. Nonetheless, folks, I want to 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:49.199 talk about just the stark contrast of what we are 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:57.400 seeing represented by the Republican Party and Democrats. When you 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.840 all watched the debates last week, or maybe you didn't, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.800 you just watch some of the clips, I know that 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.760 your stomach turned, as did mine. But this is the 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.319 bansh of the Republican Party, people that are willing to 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:18.360 parrot white supremaist, misogynist, patriarchal, you know, masionic fascistic talking 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:25.640 points in order right to get power. Whether or not 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.920 we think that Nikki Haley believes the anti LGBTQ things 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.959 that are coming out of her mouth, or the thatch 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.720 Raamasa Mean believes anything that's coming out of his lion 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:41.679 ass mouth doesn't matter. What does matter is their desire 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.120 to fall in line in order to court the MAGA vote. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:53.440 So when anyone says that there are alternatives to Donald Trump, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.720 the fact is that is a lie. They all think 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.840 speak this. The only difference is that one person has 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.920 ninety one counts against them and the other people, so 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:13.000 far as we know, have clean records. But you have 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:20.919 people on that stage that were cheering lawn white supremacy. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:27.840 The vek Ramaswami. As ironic as it is, he said 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:35.840 on the debate stage quote great Replacement theory is not 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.040 some grand right wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:47.320 of the Democratic Party's platform as it pertains to January sixth. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.359 The claim that he made was does look like it 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.160 was an inside job. We'll let me stop right there. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.320 We know that January sixth was an inside job. It 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.680 was an inside job that was conducted by Donald Trump 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.079 in the White House as he threw catch up against 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.480 the walls. We know it was an inside job because 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.480 Donald Trump, the president then of the United States, told 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.160 the oathkeepers and the proud Boys to stand back and 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.919 stand by. We know that it was an inside job, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.080 but that's not what Viveck meant. But he doesn't really 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.480 care about the truth. He cares about having his name 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:27.959 in the headlines and he can self fund, so who 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.000 knows how long this idiot will be in the race. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.960 But he doesn't say things that are so contrary to 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.160 what the rest of those people on the stage think. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.000 Because Ron DeSantis, says, Governor of Florida, what has he done? 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.480 He's promoted white comfort in his state above all else, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.360 which means that you can't possibly learn about the truth 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.760 because that makes white people uncomfortable. You can't possibly learn 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:59.640 about the civil rights movement or any aggression that this 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:04.960 come had towards indigenous populations, black people, brown people. So 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.560 we got to remove those books from the shelves. We 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.720 can't celebrate and acknowledge the fact that not everybody loves 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.840 the same, looks the same, or identifies the same. No, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.360 we need to shame those people, put targets on their back, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:25.400 and silence them. So while we may look at some 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.960 of these characters and want to laugh and roll our eyes, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.760 the fact is that many of them could end up 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:40.039 in a Trump administration two point zero because they know 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.599 that if Donald Trump were to win, he would assume 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:51.880 total control and power until whenever because all of the 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.520 people that have abided by the Constitution in some semblance 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.320 of law and order will no longer be around. According 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.920 to Donald Trump, those quote unquote vermin will be locked up, 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:13.920 put in camps, indicted by a potentially Stephen Miller run 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.800 Department of Justice. Let that shit sink in. These are 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:26.920 unabashed white supremacists. Imagine what Tucker Carlson would do as 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.360 a member of the cabinet, A man that went and 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.200 while he still was employed at Fox, did his show 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:38.719 for the week from Hungary where he was celebrating and 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:46.359 lauding all types of compliments on urban democratic name only, 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:51.480 but an entire authoritarian holding up Hungary as a country 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:57.719 that America should aspire to. Are you crazy? But that's 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.720 what they are doing. And all I urge everybody listening 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.760 to this show to do is believe them. Let's not 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.400 look away, Let's not shrug it off. Let's not just 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:20.800 dismiss Donald Trump's fantasy about being a dictator on day one. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:26.320 Let's believe them the first time. Coming up next, my 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:38.320 conversation with our friend that was pre recorded doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.200 you know that whenever we have the opportunity each week 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.159 to speak with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:50.480 I am always always thrilled, and today, Jonathan, I need 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.039 your doctor hat more than ever because America is sick, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:07:00.360 or I should say Maga, Maga is sick. So you know, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.600 just recently, Donald Trump, who makes news on a regular basis, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.760 made news when asked at a town hall Fox town 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:15.280 Hall with Sean Hannity whether or not if he were 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.080 reelected he would weaponize his office go on a campaign 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.560 of retribution, and his response was, I'll only be a 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.040 dictator on day one. He said this to rousing applause 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:34.800 from the audience. His threats have become louder, and they 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:40.240 have increased in their volume, and his supporters are lapping 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:45.320 it up as well as watching Biden's pull numbers continue 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.360 to drop. And every time I post a video, people 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.640 telling me that they're not voting for him and they're 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.200 just not going to vote. What's the diagnosis here? What 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.560 the hell is going on? 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:06.160 Well, I'm not a I'm not an authoritarianologist, but I 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.000 will say that there are some things they teach you, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:13.160 like in week one of psychiatry training school, which is 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.600 that when things are in chaos, people look for the 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.400 father to come restore order. And I think that that 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.640 is kind of the motif for student here, which is 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:29.600 that it's completely completely in Trump and the Republican's interest 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.360 to say things are out of control, We're losing all 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.680 our prestige, We're out of everything's out of whack. You know, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.319 people are burning stuff in the streets and critical race 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.240 theory and all that kind of stuff. So there's a massive, massive, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:49.400 massive machine that we should talk about. This we're contributing 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.920 to also, right, I mean, we are totally contributing to this. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.120 And before even Gaza or anything, you know, we were 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.280 playing into this. But this idea of we're going to 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.319 burn it down like that just feeds into their narrative. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.120 And then Trump says, I, like your quote this morning 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.360 on television was perfectly right, his quote at the NRA convention, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.280 I alone can fix it. That basically, I'm the only 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.240 person who can come in and control all of these 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:26.079 unruly liberals and people of color and you know whoever else, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:31.040 everybody else. And so in that sense, on one hand, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:32.920 this is kind of what we're seeing in the world 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.400 right which is the world's out of control because of 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.240 because COVID made people feel like, you know, governments couldn't 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.200 protect them. And then whatever side you're on, I mean, 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.800 if you're Ukrainian or Israeli or just watch the news, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.520 this idea that governments there's a social contract or governments 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.040 can can can protect people kind of breaks down when 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.440 governments act in the way that Putin did or that 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.600 you know, the Israel The response is now and stuff 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.839 like that. And so in a way, this idea that 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.760 this kind of social contract we used to have, which 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.559 was that states, states will can will protect you is 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.280 is is not a contract anymore. And then people turn 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.560 to like, well, if they have a strong man, we 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.240 want a strong man. And so it's really dangerous right 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.839 now because the more strong man Trump is, the more 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.360 he plays into that narrative like there's only one guy 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.600 in the world who can come in and restore order 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.360 to all this shit, and it's me and it's not 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.720 you know, that other guy who doesn't look like he 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.840 can complete a sentence or something like that. And so 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.120 in a way, you know, we're gonna have to figure 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.440 out really quickly a strategy for this, because it is 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.679 quite it is quite serious. Right now, as you rightly 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.200 sounded the alarm today. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.840 And I say this like I woke up with a 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.600 not in my stomach and ceiling readily. Ill have been 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:06.120 because what I'm hearing, and you and I we text 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.080 all the time and we share our thoughts on what 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.200 is happening, what I am hearing is that even though 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.240 Donald Trump and Joe Biden are thirty six months apart 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.120 right in terms of their age. So the age question 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.280 is not like Donald Trump is some fucking spring chicken. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.440 He is absolutely not. Is that some for some reason, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.840 the rhetoric that Donald Trump is offering, which to me 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.400 is a more dangerous than it was in twenty twenty, 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.040 is more dangerous than it was in twenty sixteen, doesn't 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.079 seem to be resonating with people. And I want to know, 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.160 why do you think that is right? The things that 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:50.760 he's saying are increasingly wild, right, and yet there isn't 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.520 an alarm that is being sounded. What I said on 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:59.480 MSNBC was, you know, Donald Trump needs to stop being 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.240 covered entertainment, right. He needs to be covered as a 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.200 danger and as a threat. And you know, and when 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.439 you say that, you're going to shut down a news network. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.560 Right when you say that you're going to jail your 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.440 political opponents and you know that there will be no 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.800 guard rails this time around. I just don't understand why 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.360 people are willing to risk it. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.080 Part of it is that people want it right now, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.560 like there's there's there's a there's of course, the power 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.079 of the spectacle. There's some deep dive among drive among 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.640 people to want to have an authoritarian you know, we 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.320 look at look at Argentina for example, it was the 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.400 young voters who felt like they were getting screwed by 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.959 the system. And I mean the young voters brought in 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.520 I'll just use a technical term, a total nincompoop ruler 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.400 in Argentina. But we're seeing like people who are playing 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:02.960 this like populism fascism card against the establishment. There are 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.880 just so many people who number one, feel like they're 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.720 getting screwed by the system right now. And number two, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.720 there's the vengeance narrative that Trump's going to come in 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.240 and he's going to take your side against your enemies. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.480 It's a slippery slope because his enemies changed every minute. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.600 But it's also like, you know, what do we need 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.880 to elect Biden? We need a coalition of people working 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.120 for the common good, across across divides, all those kind 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.840 of things, and that logic is just incredibly difficult. So 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.320 it's beyond just not knowing what Trump is going to do. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:41.120 It's also that the conditions, right, the conditions are really 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.040 ripe for somebody like Trump to make sense to a 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.240 lot of disaffected people beyond even his base, right people, 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.760 communities of color, Arab Americans who feel like Biden hasn't 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.080 done enough in the Middle East, Jewish Americans who feel 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.000 like Biden hasn't done enough to stand up for anti symptism. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.680 It's just like fill in the gap here. And that's why, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.040 like all these things have kind of led to this, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.959 right the Elon Musk like, I don't know, I was 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.520 thinking about this day, Like I don't really even care 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.240 about Twitter that much anymore. He used to be like 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.160 a core of my life. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.840 Yeah yeah, but he got us all. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.559 To like, he got us all it's not just Twitter sucks, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.000 but he got us all to like disengage in a way. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.840 So the conduits of information are in chaos right now. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.440 And so you know the political system, obviously, people are 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.640 very adamized, and so this would be a hard job 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.480 for any candidate, honestly, but it's a particularly hard job 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.400 for a candidate who, as you know, I've been voicing 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.120 concerns about for two years on this show because I 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.600 just think that right now you need more like what 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.040 Briden Biden brought the first time four years ago was 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.800 the promise of a return to the Obama days. But 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.880 now you need somebody powerful and forceful and unifying and 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.119 charismatic to bring together all these factions. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.800 We need actual Obama, not a bit curnt like the 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:12.960 feeling of Obama, but an actual, young, vibrant, like passionate 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.520 person to bring us back together again. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.840 And the reason that's so hard in the Democrats right 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.920 now is because if you're really gonna open up the 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.640 floor to all Democrats, there's you know, the one thing 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.280 about Biden is, like, you know, having somebody who is 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.680 the established quote unquote leader stops the inner party fighting about. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.000 Like I mean, there's many very different sides of the 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.920 Democratic Party right now, and they all have to kind 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.960 of work together. So I do think that your guest, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.160 your other guest on the show today was probably onto 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.200 something when she said the only thing they have going 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.320 is running against Trump. It's not it's not the positive 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.360 message that Biden won on last time. But I just 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.920 think it's a scary time because Biden just barely won 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.920 last time anyone, because there were a lot of swing 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.920 voters who came over to his side. And so it's 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.400 a it's a it's a dangerous moment. I mean, thankfully 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.160 we still have group on. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.800 I did what did you buy? Plane tickets? 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:22.800 I bought. I bought two passes to King Spa Sauna, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.320 And I think when the ship goes down, I'm just 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.320 going to be I'm going to take my group ons 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.880 and just kind of peace out, you know. So I'll 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.040 take I'll take the girl and we'll go to group 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:38.760 We're well, anybody's welcome to join us. If you want 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.080 to come to or Spa castle, anything, just come with us. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:52.240 God, I want to switch gears from Trump to our 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.480 other continuing epidemic in this country, which is your forte 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.800 gun violence. And as we getting ready to record this 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.920 show and by the time folks you listen to it, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.919 it will be a couple of days, there was a 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:15.120 shooting in Texas. Six people killed, three people injured. The 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.520 shooter thirty four year old white man. We don't have 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.840 a lot of details, but what we know, Jonathan is 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.080 that this ain't new. So whatever the motivation they're saying 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.880 that he knew the people, we have no idea. At 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.560 this point. To me, it just doesn't matter anymore what 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.840 the motivation? I mean, am I I know I said 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.240 this to you recently, but it's like, am I crazy 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:42.160 to not care what is motivating people to gun violence? 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.439 Because it's just another day in America? 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.359 Well, I mean that's kind of the does the motive? 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:55.440 I guess the better question is does the motive matter anymore? 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.439 Well, the motive never mattered, honestly, I mean that's the 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.719 argument of my new book. What matters is that we 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.359 didn't rally in the face of whatever motive it was. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.480 So the argument of my new book is that a 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.159 country that habituates mass victim gun violence, which is what 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.760 we've done, you know, it's a warning sign you lose 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.119 the ability to work together to solve common problems that 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.160 threaten share humanity. And so for me, like these mass 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.040 shootings were kind of canaries in the coal mine of 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.320 much bigger problems, which is that our fractures are so 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.560 big that we can't actually work, you know, there's external threats, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.760 but then when internal threats that threaten the well being 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:45.840 of society are not dealt with by coalition, that's when 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.000 you really realize that there's a fracture. So that's why 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.320 I called my book what We've Become, because you know, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:57.120 if you remember back, think about like Columbine or Sandy Hook, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:02.040 like the whole country would stop for a month and say, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.399 what the hell? How do we get here? And now 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.199 it's just, unfortunately, like part of daily life. And so 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:09.960 that's kind of where I got the title of my 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.480 book is what does it mean to the soul of 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.800 a nation when you habituate criminality like this? And it 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.359 actually means that you value life less, but you also 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.400 value democracy less. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.120 I don't know what we value anymore. I find myself 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.760 wondering that question too. When you have a crowd of 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:35.480 people that are cheering on authoritarianism. When we now don't 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:40.119 stop when there is a shooting unless it is you know, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.840 twenty plus people killed at one time, we're kind of, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:49.639 you know, like it's just the we have outrage fatigue, right, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.679 and so what do you do? And maybe that's maybe 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.680 this is similar with Trump, And I'm just spitballing here 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.200 from why I'm trying to raise alarms. You're trying to 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.359 raise alarms all sorts of things, and like if all 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.919 you hear is an alarm, it starts to become white noise. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.200 Well, and also like it's kind of like which which 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.560 of the I don't know. It's like, oh, it's Tuesday, 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.639 that must be Ukraine, or it's Wednesday that must be 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:24.000 COVID Thursday mass death and Gaza Friday, King spa group 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.800 on you know whatever. Like I mean, it's just like 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.520 you you kind of it's you start to do what 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.439 people in war zones do, which is you habituate, you know, 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.399 life becomes less meaningful in a way, I mean in 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.760 a literal tactile sense. And so that's kind of where 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.600 we're at right now. It's it's a it's a scary time, 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.720 but it's also like, I mean, the challenge for people 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.680 like us, right is how can you tell people Now 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.800 It's not even just I mean people have seen Trump, right, 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.520 It's not like you're going to shock them by reminding 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.320 them of Trump, Like people have seen Trump and Trump 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.240 is out there, but it's more like how can you 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.240 tell people that their decisions now have consequences, right, I mean, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:09.320 that's really the issue, that voting matters, that checking out 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.520 is giving up for future generations, all these kind of things. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.760 So it's more like, you know, we talked about this 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:24.080 a bunch before, but like those those disinformation people in 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.359 the first Trump election, who were they weren't trying to 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.199 convince people to vote for Clinton. They were trying to 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.480 convince people not to vote, saying your vote doesn't matter. 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.560 That's kind of the same message here, So that's part 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.680 of it. But then I don't know, this is kind 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.639 of an aside, a little bit of an aside, and 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.679 I apologize, But there was an interesting article. There's this 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.560 new book about the Squad, you know, I've. 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.040 Heard about this by Ryan Grimm. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.560 Yeah, And one of the things that argues, apparently I 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.120 just read excerpts, was that Nancy Pelosi and AOC were 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:59.280 having all this tension because AOC was using the abolished 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.840 Ice Slowgan and it turned out that that was Russian disinformation, 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.000 like in a way saying the government is saying the 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.240 government isn't working and destroy the government and racism the government. 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.480 It turned out that that was injected into our political 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:16.960 system by Russian disruptors, right, and then that became a slogan, 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.400 so it's on the left. And so it's just hard 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.760 to know with everything floating around right now, like when 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:28.199 are we making a real decision? What's real? What's fake? This? 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.840 You know, remember twenty sixteen, like the idea that Trump 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.800 said fake news was like really radical, and now the 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.080 trust in the truth is zero, right, and so in 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.159 a way you just don't know, like when am I 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.879 being manipulated? Where is this coming from? All this kind 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.520 of thing, So there's also just kind of a who 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.880 do you trust? Thing? And again, all these things mobilized 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:54.040 toward dictatorship, right, everybody's yeah, you know, rolling toward dictatorship. 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:58.080 So disrupting that has to mean people feeling like their 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:02.120 vote matters, like they matter, people feeling like information is trustworthy, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.040 Biden doing remember that movie Cocoon, like where they jump 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.880 in the pool, you know, need some shit like that, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.280 like a lot of things of that eighties. Yeah, and 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.439 in fact, maybe they jumped into king spawn now that 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:21.119 I think about it, But I'm sorry, I want to 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.919 make that joke until it's funny. But but but but 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:26.640 I would just say that you know, all these things 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.440 are conspiring, and so it's a big hill, right. I mean, honestly, 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.639 I can tell you I wish we had a different 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.480 deck of cards right now, but this is the deck 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.160 we got, and so we just got to kind of mobilize. 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.879 But there's a lot of I mean, I mean, just 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.880 think of think about everything that happened since Hamas and Gaza, right, 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.480 I mean, like the the coalition that needed to band 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.200 together to fight all this shit. 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:54.200 We couldn't manage. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.400 It is fractured, and then like we're selling Ukraine down 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:59.320 the tubes, like all these things. It just feels like, 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.560 I don't know, we have a lot of direct works everybody, 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.800 you know. I would just say to people listening, smoke 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.520 your doobie, now, enjoy yourself. But then we're going to 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.199 have to focus, right, and we're going to have to 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:15.040 all like rebuild this thing because we're not what you 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.359 said today is right. We're not going to get a 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:17.000 second chance. 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.000 We're not. We're not. And that's the thing that I 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.720 want people to continue to remember, and that's the thing 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.840 that I'm going to keep saying until election day is 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.439 that like, we don't this is this is not a 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.640 protest vote situation. This is not a you know, I'm 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.440 going to sit this one out and think that you're 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.119 going to get a do over in you know, in 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.600 twenty twenty eight, Like if Donald Trump becomes president again, 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.080 he is the last president of the United States, and 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.800 everyone needs to like wrap their fucking brains around that, yeah, 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.440 and make the decisions that they need to make about 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.840 like their freedom and safety moving forward. Like that's what 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.520 you're voting for. You're not voting for a person. You're 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.920 voting to decide whether or not you want to continue 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.000 to live as free and safe as possible. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.480 What if we say, if you register ten people to vote, 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.360 all of our listeners riverside will get you a group on. 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.359 That's Jonathan is setting you all up for lies, okay, 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:16.360 because this is disinformation. There is money. If you registered 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.000 ten people to vote, maybe you know, we'll all be 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.840 able to continue voting, and that should be incentive enough. 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.000 But I mean the other thing, of course, is that 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.159 the difference, right, which is why I thought, honestly, and 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.080 I said on the show, it irritated me that our 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.720 strong showing in the twenty twenty two midterms was seen 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.520 as an I mean, it was great, right, but it 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.160 was Also, the midterms are state politics. But the reason 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:41.959 I still thought we should have made a change at 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:46.080 that time was that the election is electoral college politics, 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.840