Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Willka up Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: in my upcoming conversation with our friend, our in house doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, we pre recorded the conversation, so I
Speaker 1: just want you all to know that that some of
Speaker 1: the things that we have talked about that you will
Speaker 1: listen up to in this upcoming episode. We pre recorded
Speaker 1: a couple of days early. Nonetheless, folks, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about just the stark contrast of what we are
Speaker 1: seeing represented by the Republican Party and Democrats. When you
Speaker 1: all watched the debates last week, or maybe you didn't,
Speaker 1: you just watch some of the clips, I know that
Speaker 1: your stomach turned, as did mine. But this is the
Speaker 1: bansh of the Republican Party, people that are willing to
Speaker 1: parrot white supremaist, misogynist, patriarchal, you know, masionic fascistic talking
Speaker 1: points in order right to get power. Whether or not
Speaker 1: we think that Nikki Haley believes the anti LGBTQ things
Speaker 1: that are coming out of her mouth, or the thatch
Speaker 1: Raamasa Mean believes anything that's coming out of his lion
Speaker 1: ass mouth doesn't matter. What does matter is their desire
Speaker 1: to fall in line in order to court the MAGA vote.
Speaker 1: So when anyone says that there are alternatives to Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: the fact is that is a lie. They all think
Speaker 1: speak this. The only difference is that one person has
Speaker 1: ninety one counts against them and the other people, so
Speaker 1: far as we know, have clean records. But you have
Speaker 1: people on that stage that were cheering lawn white supremacy.
Speaker 1: The vek Ramaswami. As ironic as it is, he said
Speaker 1: on the debate stage quote great Replacement theory is not
Speaker 1: some grand right wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party's platform as it pertains to January sixth.
Speaker 1: The claim that he made was does look like it
Speaker 1: was an inside job. We'll let me stop right there.
Speaker 1: We know that January sixth was an inside job. It
Speaker 1: was an inside job that was conducted by Donald Trump
Speaker 1: in the White House as he threw catch up against
Speaker 1: the walls. We know it was an inside job because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the president then of the United States, told
Speaker 1: the oathkeepers and the proud Boys to stand back and
Speaker 1: stand by. We know that it was an inside job,
Speaker 1: but that's not what Viveck meant. But he doesn't really
Speaker 1: care about the truth. He cares about having his name
Speaker 1: in the headlines and he can self fund, so who
Speaker 1: knows how long this idiot will be in the race.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't say things that are so contrary to
Speaker 1: what the rest of those people on the stage think.
Speaker 1: Because Ron DeSantis, says, Governor of Florida, what has he done?
Speaker 1: He's promoted white comfort in his state above all else,
Speaker 1: which means that you can't possibly learn about the truth
Speaker 1: because that makes white people uncomfortable. You can't possibly learn
Speaker 1: about the civil rights movement or any aggression that this
Speaker 1: come had towards indigenous populations, black people, brown people. So
Speaker 1: we got to remove those books from the shelves. We
Speaker 1: can't celebrate and acknowledge the fact that not everybody loves
Speaker 1: the same, looks the same, or identifies the same. No,
Speaker 1: we need to shame those people, put targets on their back,
Speaker 1: and silence them. So while we may look at some
Speaker 1: of these characters and want to laugh and roll our eyes,
Speaker 1: the fact is that many of them could end up
Speaker 1: in a Trump administration two point zero because they know
Speaker 1: that if Donald Trump were to win, he would assume
Speaker 1: total control and power until whenever because all of the
Speaker 1: people that have abided by the Constitution in some semblance
Speaker 1: of law and order will no longer be around. According
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, those quote unquote vermin will be locked up,
Speaker 1: put in camps, indicted by a potentially Stephen Miller run
Speaker 1: Department of Justice. Let that shit sink in. These are
Speaker 1: unabashed white supremacists. Imagine what Tucker Carlson would do as
Speaker 1: a member of the cabinet, A man that went and
Speaker 1: while he still was employed at Fox, did his show
Speaker 1: for the week from Hungary where he was celebrating and
Speaker 1: lauding all types of compliments on urban democratic name only,
Speaker 1: but an entire authoritarian holding up Hungary as a country
Speaker 1: that America should aspire to. Are you crazy? But that's
Speaker 1: what they are doing. And all I urge everybody listening
Speaker 1: to this show to do is believe them. Let's not
Speaker 1: look away, Let's not shrug it off. Let's not just
Speaker 1: dismiss Donald Trump's fantasy about being a dictator on day one.
Speaker 1: Let's believe them the first time. Coming up next, my
Speaker 1: conversation with our friend that was pre recorded doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity each week
Speaker 1: to speak with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel,
Speaker 1: I am always always thrilled, and today, Jonathan, I need
Speaker 1: your doctor hat more than ever because America is sick,
Speaker 1: or I should say Maga, Maga is sick. So you know,
Speaker 1: just recently, Donald Trump, who makes news on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: made news when asked at a town hall Fox town
Speaker 1: Hall with Sean Hannity whether or not if he were
Speaker 1: reelected he would weaponize his office go on a campaign
Speaker 1: of retribution, and his response was, I'll only be a
Speaker 1: dictator on day one. He said this to rousing applause
Speaker 1: from the audience. His threats have become louder, and they
Speaker 1: have increased in their volume, and his supporters are lapping
Speaker 1: it up as well as watching Biden's pull numbers continue
Speaker 1: to drop. And every time I post a video, people
Speaker 1: telling me that they're not voting for him and they're
Speaker 1: just not going to vote. What's the diagnosis here? What
Speaker 1: the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a I'm not an authoritarianologist, but I
Speaker 2: will say that there are some things they teach you,
Speaker 2: like in week one of psychiatry training school, which is
Speaker 2: that when things are in chaos, people look for the
Speaker 2: father to come restore order. And I think that that
Speaker 2: is kind of the motif for student here, which is
Speaker 2: that it's completely completely in Trump and the Republican's interest
Speaker 2: to say things are out of control, We're losing all
Speaker 2: our prestige, We're out of everything's out of whack. You know,
Speaker 2: people are burning stuff in the streets and critical race
Speaker 2: theory and all that kind of stuff. So there's a massive, massive,
Speaker 2: massive machine that we should talk about. This we're contributing
Speaker 2: to also, right, I mean, we are totally contributing to this.
Speaker 2: And before even Gaza or anything, you know, we were
Speaker 2: playing into this. But this idea of we're going to
Speaker 2: burn it down like that just feeds into their narrative.
Speaker 2: And then Trump says, I, like your quote this morning
Speaker 2: on television was perfectly right, his quote at the NRA convention,
Speaker 2: I alone can fix it. That basically, I'm the only
Speaker 2: person who can come in and control all of these
Speaker 2: unruly liberals and people of color and you know whoever else,
Speaker 2: everybody else. And so in that sense, on one hand,
Speaker 2: this is kind of what we're seeing in the world
Speaker 2: right which is the world's out of control because of
Speaker 2: because COVID made people feel like, you know, governments couldn't
Speaker 2: protect them. And then whatever side you're on, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're Ukrainian or Israeli or just watch the news,
Speaker 2: this idea that governments there's a social contract or governments
Speaker 2: can can can protect people kind of breaks down when
Speaker 2: governments act in the way that Putin did or that
Speaker 2: you know, the Israel The response is now and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And so in a way, this idea that
Speaker 2: this kind of social contract we used to have, which
Speaker 2: was that states, states will can will protect you is
Speaker 2: is is not a contract anymore. And then people turn
Speaker 2: to like, well, if they have a strong man, we
Speaker 2: want a strong man. And so it's really dangerous right
Speaker 2: now because the more strong man Trump is, the more
Speaker 2: he plays into that narrative like there's only one guy
Speaker 2: in the world who can come in and restore order
Speaker 2: to all this shit, and it's me and it's not
Speaker 2: you know, that other guy who doesn't look like he
Speaker 2: can complete a sentence or something like that. And so
Speaker 2: in a way, you know, we're gonna have to figure
Speaker 2: out really quickly a strategy for this, because it is
Speaker 2: quite it is quite serious. Right now, as you rightly
Speaker 2: sounded the alarm today.
Speaker 1: And I say this like I woke up with a
Speaker 1: not in my stomach and ceiling readily. Ill have been
Speaker 1: because what I'm hearing, and you and I we text
Speaker 1: all the time and we share our thoughts on what
Speaker 1: is happening, what I am hearing is that even though
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Joe Biden are thirty six months apart
Speaker 1: right in terms of their age. So the age question
Speaker 1: is not like Donald Trump is some fucking spring chicken.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely not. Is that some for some reason,
Speaker 1: the rhetoric that Donald Trump is offering, which to me
Speaker 1: is a more dangerous than it was in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: is more dangerous than it was in twenty sixteen, doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be resonating with people. And I want to know,
Speaker 1: why do you think that is right? The things that
Speaker 1: he's saying are increasingly wild, right, and yet there isn't
Speaker 1: an alarm that is being sounded. What I said on
Speaker 1: MSNBC was, you know, Donald Trump needs to stop being
Speaker 1: covered entertainment, right. He needs to be covered as a
Speaker 1: danger and as a threat. And you know, and when
Speaker 1: you say that, you're going to shut down a news network.
Speaker 1: Right when you say that you're going to jail your
Speaker 1: political opponents and you know that there will be no
Speaker 1: guard rails this time around. I just don't understand why
Speaker 1: people are willing to risk it.
Speaker 2: Part of it is that people want it right now,
Speaker 2: like there's there's there's a there's of course, the power
Speaker 2: of the spectacle. There's some deep dive among drive among
Speaker 2: people to want to have an authoritarian you know, we
Speaker 2: look at look at Argentina for example, it was the
Speaker 2: young voters who felt like they were getting screwed by
Speaker 2: the system. And I mean the young voters brought in
Speaker 2: I'll just use a technical term, a total nincompoop ruler
Speaker 2: in Argentina. But we're seeing like people who are playing
Speaker 2: this like populism fascism card against the establishment. There are
Speaker 2: just so many people who number one, feel like they're
Speaker 2: getting screwed by the system right now. And number two,
Speaker 2: there's the vengeance narrative that Trump's going to come in
Speaker 2: and he's going to take your side against your enemies.
Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope because his enemies changed every minute.
Speaker 2: But it's also like, you know, what do we need
Speaker 2: to elect Biden? We need a coalition of people working
Speaker 2: for the common good, across across divides, all those kind
Speaker 2: of things, and that logic is just incredibly difficult. So
Speaker 2: it's beyond just not knowing what Trump is going to do.
Speaker 2: It's also that the conditions, right, the conditions are really
Speaker 2: ripe for somebody like Trump to make sense to a
Speaker 2: lot of disaffected people beyond even his base, right people,
Speaker 2: communities of color, Arab Americans who feel like Biden hasn't
Speaker 2: done enough in the Middle East, Jewish Americans who feel
Speaker 2: like Biden hasn't done enough to stand up for anti symptism.
Speaker 2: It's just like fill in the gap here. And that's why,
Speaker 2: like all these things have kind of led to this,
Speaker 2: right the Elon Musk like, I don't know, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about this day, Like I don't really even care
Speaker 2: about Twitter that much anymore. He used to be like
Speaker 2: a core of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but he got us all.
Speaker 2: To like, he got us all it's not just Twitter sucks,
Speaker 2: but he got us all to like disengage in a way.
Speaker 2: So the conduits of information are in chaos right now.
Speaker 2: And so you know the political system, obviously, people are
Speaker 2: very adamized, and so this would be a hard job
Speaker 2: for any candidate, honestly, but it's a particularly hard job
Speaker 2: for a candidate who, as you know, I've been voicing
Speaker 2: concerns about for two years on this show because I
Speaker 2: just think that right now you need more like what
Speaker 2: Briden Biden brought the first time four years ago was
Speaker 2: the promise of a return to the Obama days. But
Speaker 2: now you need somebody powerful and forceful and unifying and
Speaker 2: charismatic to bring together all these factions.
Speaker 1: We need actual Obama, not a bit curnt like the
Speaker 1: feeling of Obama, but an actual, young, vibrant, like passionate
Speaker 1: person to bring us back together again.
Speaker 2: And the reason that's so hard in the Democrats right
Speaker 2: now is because if you're really gonna open up the
Speaker 2: floor to all Democrats, there's you know, the one thing
Speaker 2: about Biden is, like, you know, having somebody who is
Speaker 2: the established quote unquote leader stops the inner party fighting about.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, there's many very different sides of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party right now, and they all have to kind
Speaker 2: of work together. So I do think that your guest,
Speaker 2: your other guest on the show today was probably onto
Speaker 2: something when she said the only thing they have going
Speaker 2: is running against Trump. It's not it's not the positive
Speaker 2: message that Biden won on last time. But I just
Speaker 2: think it's a scary time because Biden just barely won
Speaker 2: last time anyone, because there were a lot of swing
Speaker 2: voters who came over to his side. And so it's
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a dangerous moment. I mean, thankfully
Speaker 2: we still have group on.
Speaker 1: I did what did you buy? Plane tickets?
Speaker 2: I bought. I bought two passes to King Spa Sauna,
Speaker 2: And I think when the ship goes down, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to be I'm going to take my group ons
Speaker 2: and just kind of peace out, you know. So I'll
Speaker 2: take I'll take the girl and we'll go to group
Speaker 2: We're well, anybody's welcome to join us. If you want
Speaker 2: to come to or Spa castle, anything, just come with us.
Speaker 1: God, I want to switch gears from Trump to our
Speaker 1: other continuing epidemic in this country, which is your forte
Speaker 1: gun violence. And as we getting ready to record this
Speaker 1: show and by the time folks you listen to it,
Speaker 1: it will be a couple of days, there was a
Speaker 1: shooting in Texas. Six people killed, three people injured. The
Speaker 1: shooter thirty four year old white man. We don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of details, but what we know, Jonathan is
Speaker 1: that this ain't new. So whatever the motivation they're saying
Speaker 1: that he knew the people, we have no idea. At
Speaker 1: this point. To me, it just doesn't matter anymore what
Speaker 1: the motivation? I mean, am I I know I said
Speaker 1: this to you recently, but it's like, am I crazy
Speaker 1: to not care what is motivating people to gun violence?
Speaker 1: Because it's just another day in America?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's kind of the does the motive?
Speaker 1: I guess the better question is does the motive matter anymore?
Speaker 2: Well, the motive never mattered, honestly, I mean that's the
Speaker 2: argument of my new book. What matters is that we
Speaker 2: didn't rally in the face of whatever motive it was.
Speaker 2: So the argument of my new book is that a
Speaker 2: country that habituates mass victim gun violence, which is what
Speaker 2: we've done, you know, it's a warning sign you lose
Speaker 2: the ability to work together to solve common problems that
Speaker 2: threaten share humanity. And so for me, like these mass
Speaker 2: shootings were kind of canaries in the coal mine of
Speaker 2: much bigger problems, which is that our fractures are so
Speaker 2: big that we can't actually work, you know, there's external threats,
Speaker 2: but then when internal threats that threaten the well being
Speaker 2: of society are not dealt with by coalition, that's when
Speaker 2: you really realize that there's a fracture. So that's why
Speaker 2: I called my book what We've Become, because you know,
Speaker 2: if you remember back, think about like Columbine or Sandy Hook,
Speaker 2: like the whole country would stop for a month and say,
Speaker 2: what the hell? How do we get here? And now
Speaker 2: it's just, unfortunately, like part of daily life. And so
Speaker 2: that's kind of where I got the title of my
Speaker 2: book is what does it mean to the soul of
Speaker 2: a nation when you habituate criminality like this? And it
Speaker 2: actually means that you value life less, but you also
Speaker 2: value democracy less.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we value anymore. I find myself
Speaker 1: wondering that question too. When you have a crowd of
Speaker 1: people that are cheering on authoritarianism. When we now don't
Speaker 1: stop when there is a shooting unless it is you know,
Speaker 1: twenty plus people killed at one time, we're kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just the we have outrage fatigue, right,
Speaker 1: and so what do you do? And maybe that's maybe
Speaker 1: this is similar with Trump, And I'm just spitballing here
Speaker 1: from why I'm trying to raise alarms. You're trying to
Speaker 1: raise alarms all sorts of things, and like if all
Speaker 1: you hear is an alarm, it starts to become white noise.
Speaker 2: Well, and also like it's kind of like which which
Speaker 2: of the I don't know. It's like, oh, it's Tuesday,
Speaker 2: that must be Ukraine, or it's Wednesday that must be
Speaker 2: COVID Thursday mass death and Gaza Friday, King spa group
Speaker 2: on you know whatever. Like I mean, it's just like
Speaker 2: you you kind of it's you start to do what
Speaker 2: people in war zones do, which is you habituate, you know,
Speaker 2: life becomes less meaningful in a way, I mean in
Speaker 2: a literal tactile sense. And so that's kind of where
Speaker 2: we're at right now. It's it's a it's a scary time,
Speaker 2: but it's also like, I mean, the challenge for people
Speaker 2: like us, right is how can you tell people Now
Speaker 2: It's not even just I mean people have seen Trump, right,
Speaker 2: It's not like you're going to shock them by reminding
Speaker 2: them of Trump, Like people have seen Trump and Trump
Speaker 2: is out there, but it's more like how can you
Speaker 2: tell people that their decisions now have consequences, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's really the issue, that voting matters, that checking out
Speaker 2: is giving up for future generations, all these kind of things.
Speaker 2: So it's more like, you know, we talked about this
Speaker 2: a bunch before, but like those those disinformation people in
Speaker 2: the first Trump election, who were they weren't trying to
Speaker 2: convince people to vote for Clinton. They were trying to
Speaker 2: convince people not to vote, saying your vote doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the same message here, So that's part
Speaker 2: of it. But then I don't know, this is kind
Speaker 2: of an aside, a little bit of an aside, and
Speaker 2: I apologize, But there was an interesting article. There's this
Speaker 2: new book about the Squad, you know, I've.
Speaker 1: Heard about this by Ryan Grimm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the things that argues, apparently I
Speaker 2: just read excerpts, was that Nancy Pelosi and AOC were
Speaker 2: having all this tension because AOC was using the abolished
Speaker 2: Ice Slowgan and it turned out that that was Russian disinformation,
Speaker 2: like in a way saying the government is saying the
Speaker 2: government isn't working and destroy the government and racism the government.
Speaker 2: It turned out that that was injected into our political
Speaker 2: system by Russian disruptors, right, and then that became a slogan,
Speaker 2: so it's on the left. And so it's just hard
Speaker 2: to know with everything floating around right now, like when
Speaker 2: are we making a real decision? What's real? What's fake? This?
Speaker 2: You know, remember twenty sixteen, like the idea that Trump
Speaker 2: said fake news was like really radical, and now the
Speaker 2: trust in the truth is zero, right, and so in
Speaker 2: a way you just don't know, like when am I
Speaker 2: being manipulated? Where is this coming from? All this kind
Speaker 2: of thing, So there's also just kind of a who
Speaker 2: do you trust? Thing? And again, all these things mobilized
Speaker 2: toward dictatorship, right, everybody's yeah, you know, rolling toward dictatorship.
Speaker 2: So disrupting that has to mean people feeling like their
Speaker 2: vote matters, like they matter, people feeling like information is trustworthy,
Speaker 2: Biden doing remember that movie Cocoon, like where they jump
Speaker 2: in the pool, you know, need some shit like that,
Speaker 2: like a lot of things of that eighties. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: in fact, maybe they jumped into king spawn now that
Speaker 2: I think about it, But I'm sorry, I want to
Speaker 2: make that joke until it's funny. But but but but
Speaker 2: I would just say that you know, all these things
Speaker 2: are conspiring, and so it's a big hill, right. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: I can tell you I wish we had a different
Speaker 2: deck of cards right now, but this is the deck
Speaker 2: we got, and so we just got to kind of mobilize.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of I mean, I mean, just
Speaker 2: think of think about everything that happened since Hamas and Gaza, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like the the coalition that needed to band
Speaker 2: together to fight all this shit.
Speaker 1: We couldn't manage.
Speaker 2: It is fractured, and then like we're selling Ukraine down
Speaker 2: the tubes, like all these things. It just feels like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, we have a lot of direct works everybody,
Speaker 2: you know. I would just say to people listening, smoke
Speaker 2: your doobie, now, enjoy yourself. But then we're going to
Speaker 2: have to focus, right, and we're going to have to
Speaker 2: all like rebuild this thing because we're not what you
Speaker 2: said today is right. We're not going to get a
Speaker 2: second chance.
Speaker 1: We're not. We're not. And that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: want people to continue to remember, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm going to keep saying until election day is
Speaker 1: that like, we don't this is this is not a
Speaker 1: protest vote situation. This is not a you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to sit this one out and think that you're
Speaker 1: going to get a do over in you know, in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, Like if Donald Trump becomes president again,
Speaker 1: he is the last president of the United States, and
Speaker 1: everyone needs to like wrap their fucking brains around that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and make the decisions that they need to make about
Speaker 1: like their freedom and safety moving forward. Like that's what
Speaker 1: you're voting for. You're not voting for a person. You're
Speaker 1: voting to decide whether or not you want to continue
Speaker 1: to live as free and safe as possible.
Speaker 2: What if we say, if you register ten people to vote,
Speaker 2: all of our listeners riverside will get you a group on.
Speaker 1: That's Jonathan is setting you all up for lies, okay,
Speaker 1: because this is disinformation. There is money. If you registered
Speaker 1: ten people to vote, maybe you know, we'll all be
Speaker 1: able to continue voting, and that should be incentive enough.
Speaker 2: But I mean the other thing, of course, is that
Speaker 2: the difference, right, which is why I thought, honestly, and
Speaker 2: I said on the show, it irritated me that our
Speaker 2: strong showing in the twenty twenty two midterms was seen
Speaker 2: as an I mean, it was great, right, but it
Speaker 2: was Also, the midterms are state politics. But the reason
Speaker 2: I still thought we should have made a change at
Speaker 2: that time was that the election is electoral college politics,
Speaker 2: and so it's you can have a very strong state
Speaker 2: level candidate, but but now you've got to play the
Speaker 2: electoral college game, which means like convincing people in state
Speaker 2: that are probably enamored by you know, the the Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: flying Kennedy guy or Cornell West for whatever reason, or
Speaker 2: whoever else. So you know, the words like it's not
Speaker 2: just about like your vote, it's about the vote of
Speaker 2: people now in you know, yeah, like think of think
Speaker 2: of all the people who voted. I mean, think about
Speaker 2: what happened before, right Trump got on stage in a
Speaker 2: debate sweating from COVID and scared the shit out of
Speaker 2: Independence and something kind of similar, you know, like it
Speaker 2: pushed people in the middle, and so you've got to
Speaker 2: think about the people in the middle right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, As always, Jonathan, we appreciate your insight, your time,
Speaker 1: and the work that you continue to do to try
Speaker 1: and you know, wake people up Until next week, my friend,
Speaker 1: enjoy the SPA.
Speaker 2: You got it. Take care everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke
Speaker 1: as always. Power to the people and to all the people. Power,
Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck. M