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Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Willka up Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,

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Speaker 1: in my upcoming conversation with our friend, our in house doctor,

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Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, we pre recorded the conversation, so I

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Speaker 1: just want you all to know that that some of

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Speaker 1: the things that we have talked about that you will

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Speaker 1: listen up to in this upcoming episode. We pre recorded

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Speaker 1: a couple of days early. Nonetheless, folks, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about just the stark contrast of what we are

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Speaker 1: seeing represented by the Republican Party and Democrats. When you

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Speaker 1: all watched the debates last week, or maybe you didn't,

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Speaker 1: you just watch some of the clips, I know that

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Speaker 1: your stomach turned, as did mine. But this is the

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Speaker 1: bansh of the Republican Party, people that are willing to

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Speaker 1: parrot white supremaist, misogynist, patriarchal, you know, masionic fascistic talking

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Speaker 1: points in order right to get power. Whether or not

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Speaker 1: we think that Nikki Haley believes the anti LGBTQ things

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Speaker 1: that are coming out of her mouth, or the thatch

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Speaker 1: Raamasa Mean believes anything that's coming out of his lion

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Speaker 1: ass mouth doesn't matter. What does matter is their desire

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Speaker 1: to fall in line in order to court the MAGA vote.

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Speaker 1: So when anyone says that there are alternatives to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: the fact is that is a lie. They all think

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Speaker 1: speak this. The only difference is that one person has

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Speaker 1: ninety one counts against them and the other people, so

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Speaker 1: far as we know, have clean records. But you have

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Speaker 1: people on that stage that were cheering lawn white supremacy.

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Speaker 1: The vek Ramaswami. As ironic as it is, he said

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Speaker 1: on the debate stage quote great Replacement theory is not

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Speaker 1: some grand right wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party's platform as it pertains to January sixth.

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Speaker 1: The claim that he made was does look like it

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Speaker 1: was an inside job. We'll let me stop right there.

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Speaker 1: We know that January sixth was an inside job. It

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Speaker 1: was an inside job that was conducted by Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: in the White House as he threw catch up against

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Speaker 1: the walls. We know it was an inside job because

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the president then of the United States, told

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Speaker 1: the oathkeepers and the proud Boys to stand back and

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Speaker 1: stand by. We know that it was an inside job,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what Viveck meant. But he doesn't really

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Speaker 1: care about the truth. He cares about having his name

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Speaker 1: in the headlines and he can self fund, so who

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Speaker 1: knows how long this idiot will be in the race.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't say things that are so contrary to

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Speaker 1: what the rest of those people on the stage think.

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Speaker 1: Because Ron DeSantis, says, Governor of Florida, what has he done?

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Speaker 1: He's promoted white comfort in his state above all else,

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Speaker 1: which means that you can't possibly learn about the truth

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Speaker 1: because that makes white people uncomfortable. You can't possibly learn

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Speaker 1: about the civil rights movement or any aggression that this

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Speaker 1: come had towards indigenous populations, black people, brown people. So

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Speaker 1: we got to remove those books from the shelves. We

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Speaker 1: can't celebrate and acknowledge the fact that not everybody loves

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Speaker 1: the same, looks the same, or identifies the same. No,

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Speaker 1: we need to shame those people, put targets on their back,

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Speaker 1: and silence them. So while we may look at some

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Speaker 1: of these characters and want to laugh and roll our eyes,

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Speaker 1: the fact is that many of them could end up

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Speaker 1: in a Trump administration two point zero because they know

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Speaker 1: that if Donald Trump were to win, he would assume

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Speaker 1: total control and power until whenever because all of the

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Speaker 1: people that have abided by the Constitution in some semblance

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Speaker 1: of law and order will no longer be around. According

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, those quote unquote vermin will be locked up,

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Speaker 1: put in camps, indicted by a potentially Stephen Miller run

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice. Let that shit sink in. These are

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Speaker 1: unabashed white supremacists. Imagine what Tucker Carlson would do as

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Speaker 1: a member of the cabinet, A man that went and

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Speaker 1: while he still was employed at Fox, did his show

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Speaker 1: for the week from Hungary where he was celebrating and

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Speaker 1: lauding all types of compliments on urban democratic name only,

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Speaker 1: but an entire authoritarian holding up Hungary as a country

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Speaker 1: that America should aspire to. Are you crazy? But that's

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Speaker 1: what they are doing. And all I urge everybody listening

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Speaker 1: dismiss Donald Trump's fantasy about being a dictator on day one.

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Speaker 1: Let's believe them the first time. Coming up next, my

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Speaker 1: conversation with our friend that was pre recorded doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,

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Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity each week

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Speaker 1: to speak with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel,

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Speaker 1: I am always always thrilled, and today, Jonathan, I need

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Speaker 1: your doctor hat more than ever because America is sick,

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Speaker 1: or I should say Maga, Maga is sick. So you know,

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Speaker 1: just recently, Donald Trump, who makes news on a regular basis,

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Speaker 1: reelected he would weaponize his office go on a campaign

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Speaker 1: of retribution, and his response was, I'll only be a

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Speaker 1: dictator on day one. He said this to rousing applause

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Speaker 1: from the audience. His threats have become louder, and they

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Speaker 1: it up as well as watching Biden's pull numbers continue

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Speaker 1: telling me that they're not voting for him and they're

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Speaker 1: just not going to vote. What's the diagnosis here? What

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a I'm not an authoritarianologist, but I

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Speaker 2: will say that there are some things they teach you,

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Speaker 2: like in week one of psychiatry training school, which is

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Speaker 2: that when things are in chaos, people look for the

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Speaker 2: father to come restore order. And I think that that

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Speaker 2: that it's completely completely in Trump and the Republican's interest

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Speaker 2: to say things are out of control, We're losing all

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Speaker 2: our prestige, We're out of everything's out of whack. You know,

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Speaker 2: people are burning stuff in the streets and critical race

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Speaker 2: theory and all that kind of stuff. So there's a massive, massive,

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Speaker 2: massive machine that we should talk about. This we're contributing

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Speaker 2: to also, right, I mean, we are totally contributing to this.

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Speaker 2: And before even Gaza or anything, you know, we were

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Speaker 2: playing into this. But this idea of we're going to

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Speaker 2: And then Trump says, I, like your quote this morning

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Speaker 2: I alone can fix it. That basically, I'm the only

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Speaker 2: person who can come in and control all of these

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Speaker 2: everybody else. And so in that sense, on one hand,

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Speaker 2: because COVID made people feel like, you know, governments couldn't

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Speaker 2: this idea that governments there's a social contract or governments

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Speaker 2: to like, well, if they have a strong man, we

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Speaker 2: now because the more strong man Trump is, the more

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Speaker 2: he plays into that narrative like there's only one guy

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Speaker 2: you know, that other guy who doesn't look like he

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Speaker 2: in a way, you know, we're gonna have to figure

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Speaker 2: quite it is quite serious. Right now, as you rightly

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Speaker 2: sounded the alarm today.

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Speaker 1: And I say this like I woke up with a

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Speaker 1: because what I'm hearing, and you and I we text

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Speaker 1: right in terms of their age. So the age question

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Speaker 1: is not like Donald Trump is some fucking spring chicken.

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Speaker 1: He is absolutely not. Is that some for some reason,

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Speaker 1: the rhetoric that Donald Trump is offering, which to me

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Speaker 1: seem to be resonating with people. And I want to know,

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Speaker 1: why do you think that is right? The things that

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Speaker 1: an alarm that is being sounded. What I said on

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Speaker 1: MSNBC was, you know, Donald Trump needs to stop being

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Speaker 1: covered entertainment, right. He needs to be covered as a

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Speaker 1: Right when you say that you're going to jail your

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Speaker 2: Part of it is that people want it right now,

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Speaker 2: like there's there's there's a there's of course, the power

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Speaker 2: there's the vengeance narrative that Trump's going to come in

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Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope because his enemies changed every minute.

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Speaker 2: But it's also like, you know, what do we need

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Speaker 2: It's also that the conditions, right, the conditions are really

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Speaker 2: like Biden hasn't done enough to stand up for anti symptism.

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Speaker 2: It's just like fill in the gap here. And that's why,

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Speaker 2: like all these things have kind of led to this,

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Speaker 2: right the Elon Musk like, I don't know, I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but he got us all.

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Speaker 2: To like, he got us all it's not just Twitter sucks,

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Speaker 2: So the conduits of information are in chaos right now.

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Speaker 2: And so you know the political system, obviously, people are

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Speaker 2: for any candidate, honestly, but it's a particularly hard job

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Speaker 2: for a candidate who, as you know, I've been voicing

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Speaker 2: just think that right now you need more like what

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Speaker 2: Briden Biden brought the first time four years ago was

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Speaker 2: the promise of a return to the Obama days. But

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Speaker 2: now you need somebody powerful and forceful and unifying and

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Speaker 1: That's Jonathan is setting you all up for lies, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, As always, Jonathan, we appreciate your insight, your time,

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Speaker 1: and you know, wake people up Until next week, my friend,

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Speaker 2: You got it. Take care everybody.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke

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Speaker 1: as always. Power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck. M