WEBVTT - Rehabilitation | EP 9 | Saskia's Story

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, Andre here, I have some exciting news to share.

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<v Speaker 1>where the story took place. We are so proud and

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<v Speaker 1>at ten pm Eastern Standard time, nine pm Central. Please

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. There is a corner of the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice system that you won't find on court documents. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't involve judges, prosecutors, juries, it doesn't even involve laws. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called prison consulting. You might have heard about it

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<v Speaker 1>on the news. Harvey Weinstein is preparing for prison.

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<v Speaker 2>He recently hired a consultant who is helping guide him

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<v Speaker 2>on what to expect.

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<v Speaker 3>Bernie Madoff has hired a prison consultant.

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<v Speaker 4>Actress Lori Laughlin has reportedly hired a prison consultant.

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<v Speaker 1>Luigi man Joni Martha Stewart. NFL player Michael Vick has

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<v Speaker 1>hired a prison consultant. Willis new prison consultant tip the

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<v Speaker 1>scales in his case. Prison consultants assist people who are

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<v Speaker 1>facing time. Many of these consultants promote their services on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you been indicted?

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<v Speaker 6>You think you're gonna be indicted? You need someone who

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<v Speaker 6>speaks inmates and institutions.

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<v Speaker 7>So if you are a.

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<v Speaker 8>Loved one that's been recently arrested, you can go ahead

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<v Speaker 8>and text me.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll be happy to help you in any.

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<v Speaker 1>Way I can for the right price. Prison consultants will

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<v Speaker 1>advise those facing time on how to get a lesser

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<v Speaker 1>sentence or how to get out of jail early. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what programs to join and what gangs to avoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of these consultants have served time themselves, often for

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<v Speaker 1>fine antil crimes or nonviolent offenses. But what if the

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<v Speaker 1>person giving out that advice was a convicted rapist? What

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<v Speaker 1>if they were someone like Mike Levengood. I'm Andre Gunning

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Betrayal, Season five, Episode nine, Rehabilitation. For Saskia,

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<v Speaker 1>this crime didn't just take an emotional toll. It devastated

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<v Speaker 1>her financially, especially when it came to paying for her divorce.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd always learned you'd never touch your four O one K,

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<v Speaker 9>like you always need three months of bills in the

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<v Speaker 9>bank just in case a rainy day, and I'd always

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<v Speaker 9>live by that. And I had to kind of throw

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<v Speaker 9>that out the window to fight this. I remember the

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<v Speaker 9>first withdrawal I made was for sixty ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 9>and that was just for attorney's bills up to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, the divorce cost her about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. It's a financial hole she's still crawling out of.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this got us thinking about Mike's financial status,

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<v Speaker 1>how he's doing today after this crime. So we did

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<v Speaker 1>some digging and what we found surprised us. By early

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, Mike had served his sentence. He was

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<v Speaker 1>released from jail and put on probation. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>many standard conditions of probation is getting a job, and

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<v Speaker 1>for Mike that wouldn't be easy, not only because of

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<v Speaker 1>his conviction, but because of his resume.

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<v Speaker 9>He was very smart yet a master's degree. He was

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<v Speaker 9>working as vice president of marketing for Bank of America,

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<v Speaker 9>So I mean he made a good salary.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more than a good salary. Before his conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>he was making between two hundred and two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars a year. He was an executive, and

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. If you look at his LinkedIn recommendations,

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<v Speaker 1>he was well liked and respected. One recommendation reads.

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<v Speaker 10>He's not only a tremendous professional, he's also a person

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<v Speaker 10>of integrity, kindness, and old school values.

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<v Speaker 1>While another says Mike is a top notch professional and

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to work with. Even during his sentencing hearing

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<v Speaker 1>and after pleading guilty to second degree rape, a former

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<v Speaker 1>colleague showed up to defend him.

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<v Speaker 7>As long as I've learned Mike, he's really always been

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<v Speaker 7>an outstanding character of people, grow mentoring, providing kindness, and

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<v Speaker 7>a good will towards people.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice is the jumble soul.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the hardest things to wrap your head

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<v Speaker 1>around the fact that someone can commit a disturbing personal

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<v Speaker 1>crime and people will still line up to call them

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<v Speaker 1>kind and gentle. Most sex offenders struggle to find any

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<v Speaker 1>work after they get out. When they do, it's usually construction,

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<v Speaker 1>waste management, or warehouse gigs. But Mike had a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, he had it before he went to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>During his sentencing hearing back in twenty nineteen, his lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>shared that plan with the judge.

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<v Speaker 3>He has started an LLC so that he can provide

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<v Speaker 3>consulting to businesses using the information and knowledge that he

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<v Speaker 3>had from his career, and hopefully not let the record

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<v Speaker 3>be an impediment to some companies hiring him. Because he

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<v Speaker 3>can use the LLC, he'd use.

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<v Speaker 1>His expertise in banking and marketing to support himself financially,

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<v Speaker 1>and by running that business through an LLC, his clients

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<v Speaker 1>could work with him without the bad pr Then, in

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<v Speaker 1>February of twenty twenty one, out of jail, and a

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<v Speaker 1>month later he filed a trade name application for a

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<v Speaker 1>new company. But this company wasn't a business consulting firm.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Smith and Good Associates. According to their legal

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<v Speaker 1>business filing, Smith and Good is a consulting firm for

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<v Speaker 1>individuals in the criminal justice system, which is just another

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<v Speaker 1>way of saying prison consultants. We wanted to learn what

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<v Speaker 1>this industry was all about, so we called up an expert.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is John Fuller. I started my prison consulting

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<v Speaker 5>business in two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of prison consultants, John has a criminal past.

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<v Speaker 5>That since the ten years for conspiracy to possess with

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<v Speaker 5>intent to distribute.

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<v Speaker 1>He did time for drug and forgery charges. But since prison,

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<v Speaker 1>John's built quite the career for himself.

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<v Speaker 5>I've worked primarily with white collar criminals, professional athletes, entertainers,

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<v Speaker 5>mostly high profile individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple outlets say he coached Martha Stewart when she was

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<v Speaker 1>heading to prison. He didn't comment on that. But no

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<v Speaker 1>matter the client, his job is essentially the same.

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<v Speaker 5>I prepare my clients on things that they should do

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<v Speaker 5>before incarceration, ways they should behave during incarceration, and any

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<v Speaker 5>assistance or the reality of their circumstances post incarceration.

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<v Speaker 1>Every prison consultant offers different services. Some explain sentencing guidelines

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<v Speaker 1>or strategized on getting their clients' lesser sentences. They facilitate

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<v Speaker 1>mock trials and in some cases assist in writing remorse

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<v Speaker 1>letters to victims. Others focus on eliminating the unknowns of prison,

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<v Speaker 1>what the foods the fellow inmates might be like, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also explain those unknowns to family members who are

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<v Speaker 1>scared for their loved one. But John is the first

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<v Speaker 1>to admit there are a lot of unethical people in

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<v Speaker 1>his industry.

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<v Speaker 6>What ninety percentities of the prison consultants are doing. They'll

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<v Speaker 6>make promises and tell you that they can save your life.

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<v Speaker 1>In our reporting, we spoke to several prison consultants. Every

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<v Speaker 1>one of them had something to say about the others.

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<v Speaker 1>But John brought up a lot of interesting examples of

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<v Speaker 1>how other consultants will say they can gain the system

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<v Speaker 1>to their client's advantage.

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<v Speaker 5>For instance, they'll lie and charge you fifteen twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 5>dollars and tell you as soon as you get to

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<v Speaker 5>the prison they can get them in a residential drug

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<v Speaker 5>and alcohol program.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wondering, why would anyone who doesn't use

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<v Speaker 1>drugs or alcohol pay twenty thousand dollars for addiction treatment. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>John says can be part of a larger strategy.

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<v Speaker 6>Because if you can get into the residential drug and

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<v Speaker 6>alcohol program, you can get eighteen months to three years

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<v Speaker 6>off your sentence.

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<v Speaker 5>So of course they're gonna go that route.

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<v Speaker 6>And this wise guy of a prison consultant says, we're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna lie and you're gonna tell your probation officer that

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<v Speaker 6>you do use drugs. You do use alcohol as a

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<v Speaker 6>matter of fact, go report next week with the smell

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<v Speaker 6>of alcohol on your breath and that's what's gonna qualify

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<v Speaker 6>you for the residential drug and alcohol program.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years ago, a prison consultant pled guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>conspiring to defraud the Federal Bureau of Prisons for running

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<v Speaker 1>that exact scam. But John says that's not the only

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<v Speaker 1>scam people in his industry are operating.

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<v Speaker 6>These prison consultants are literally stealing money from people, saying,

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<v Speaker 6>you're not gonna do any time, but if you don't

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<v Speaker 6>pay me this ten fifteen, twenty twenty five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 6>within the next thirty six hours, I can't help you.

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<v Speaker 6>And the client is so scared that he's going to

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<v Speaker 6>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike declined our requests for comment, so we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much Smith and Good charges or the specific strategies

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<v Speaker 1>they use, but on their website they do advertise a

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<v Speaker 1>wide variety of services. They support clients in mitigating their

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<v Speaker 1>sentences and prepping for their time behind bars. They also

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<v Speaker 1>provide guidance on parole hearings and sex offender registry requirements.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one line that stands out to me on

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<v Speaker 1>the Smith in Good homepage. I had my producer Trey

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<v Speaker 1>read it.

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<v Speaker 10>We emphasize the importance of rehabilitation, how to do this

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<v Speaker 10>safely at the Department of Corrections, and what loved ones

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<v Speaker 10>can do to support rehabilitative efforts. It also with a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for us to say whether Mike was rehabilitated

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<v Speaker 1>while behind bars, but we can say that Mike had

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<v Speaker 1>a plan for himself. Very soon after Mike got out

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<v Speaker 1>of jail, he had a business name, address, and tax

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<v Speaker 1>id number, and on top of that, he found himself

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<v Speaker 1>a business partner. His associate is a former army ranger

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<v Speaker 1>with a criminal pass of his own. But unlike Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't a sex offender. He was charged with murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and when questioned by detectives, his story changed three times.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Saska's ex husband, Mike Levin Goood,

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<v Speaker 1>started a prison consulting firm, Smith and Good Associates. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the Good in the business name, as in Levin Goood,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Smith was Gary James Smith. Gary has experience

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<v Speaker 1>with the system too, but his journey is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated. We're going to take a detour into Gary's

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<v Speaker 1>story because it brings up some very important questions about

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of business Mike is operating in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six. Gary was a young veteran, an Army ranger

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<v Speaker 1>fresh out of the military. As a judge said of

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<v Speaker 1>him at trial, there.

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<v Speaker 8>Are many examples in mister Smith's life where he was

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<v Speaker 8>a good person. He was a mentor to young soldiers.

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<v Speaker 8>He was promoted the rank of sergeant fairly quickly, which

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<v Speaker 8>is no easy tax. He was assigned to a very

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<v Speaker 8>responsible unit with a very important job in the defense

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<v Speaker 8>of this country. But when good people do bad things,

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<v Speaker 8>they have to be held accountable. He made a horribly

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<v Speaker 8>bad decision, and in making that decision, it crossed the

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<v Speaker 8>life of another young man.

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<v Speaker 1>That young man was twenty two year old Michael McQueen.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also an Army ranger an intelligence analyst. He

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<v Speaker 1>and Gary served several tours together in Afghanistan. When they

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<v Speaker 1>came back to the US, they moved in together. The

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<v Speaker 1>queen's friends and family said he was excited to be home.

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<v Speaker 1>He had plans to go to college, then law school,

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<v Speaker 1>become a sports agent. But then in the early morning

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<v Speaker 1>hours of September twenty six, two thousand and six, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>McQueen was found dead. He had a gunshot wound to

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<v Speaker 1>the head. His roommate, Gary Smith, was the one to

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<v Speaker 1>call nine one one. You're about to hear that call.

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<v Speaker 9>In it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary is distraught. The nine one one operator could barely

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<v Speaker 1>understand him. If you'd like, you can skip ahead thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 11>What's the problem there.

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<v Speaker 1>When the cops arrived, Gary remained inconsolable. He insisted he

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with McQueen's death, but the police

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't buy it because Gary was covered in McQueen's

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<v Speaker 1>blood and that wasn't all. Here's the prosecutor a trial's.

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<v Speaker 4>Outside at this point, over the top, uncontrollably crying and

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<v Speaker 4>they were officers. Well, Sargeant said, I know she was

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<v Speaker 4>crying loudly, but there.

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<v Speaker 3>Were no tears coming.

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<v Speaker 1>And each time the authorities pressed Gary, he changed his story.

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<v Speaker 1>During the investigation, he gave three very different versions of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened that night. Story number one came the first

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<v Speaker 1>time the police asked Gary what happened. He said he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even home at the time of McQueen's death. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>been out drinking and Gary dropped McQueen at their apartment

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<v Speaker 1>before running out for a quick errant. Here's Gary on

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<v Speaker 1>the police interrogation tapes.

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<v Speaker 11>He went upstairs.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I to go pick up some queen socks.

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<v Speaker 12>I drove over my mother's house, crabt the logic, bask

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<v Speaker 12>good for clothes. Put him in my car. Turning about

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<v Speaker 12>it went back to the house that went stared open

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<v Speaker 12>the door. I saw Mike sitting in a chair, and

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<v Speaker 12>I saw blood up over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a suicide, or maybe someone killed McQueen.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary offered a few possible theories of who could have

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<v Speaker 1>done it, some neighbors McQueen had argued with, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a drug dealer in the building. Gary said when he

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<v Speaker 1>found McQueen, there were no weapons nearby. He kept all

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<v Speaker 1>of his guns at his mom's house, but later he

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<v Speaker 1>told officers something very different. Here's story number two.

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<v Speaker 7>I came home. Michael was dead, gumbles in his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Gary's gun. He knew his fingerprints would be

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<v Speaker 1>all over it. Anti panicked, going best.

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<v Speaker 12>I realized he was dead. I got back to my car.

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<v Speaker 12>I drove to la and Evily and I threw here

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<v Speaker 12>I need to preach. I got back from my car.

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<v Speaker 12>I drew back to my house.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary confessed that before calling nine to one one, he

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<v Speaker 1>took the time to get rid of the weapon. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>he threw the gun in a lake.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so scared he was dead.

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<v Speaker 7>He was dead, and it was mind ol.

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<v Speaker 5>I left that gun there.

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<v Speaker 11>It was my going.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't pop it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Gary was suddenly sure this had to be a suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was story number three, also a suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this third account, Gary didn't come home to

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<v Speaker 1>find McQueen dead. He was in the apartment when McQueen

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<v Speaker 1>fired the gun. The prosecutor summarized this version for the court.

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<v Speaker 4>Says, he comes in, he puts a gun on the floor,

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<v Speaker 4>he was back in the bathroom, who came out, and

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<v Speaker 4>Mike killed himself. And then even of story three, he

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<v Speaker 4>gives different versions of that I put on the table,

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<v Speaker 4>I was here, I did see it, I didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 4>I might have been closed, I might not have been closed.

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<v Speaker 1>Three different stories and one dead man. And with each version,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary moved a little closer to the scene, from nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>near the apartment and no gun in sight, to finding

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<v Speaker 1>the gun and throwing it in a lake, to being

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<v Speaker 1>inside the apartment when his friend died. The problem with

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<v Speaker 1>all three versions, none of them clearly lined up with

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<v Speaker 1>the forensic evidence, and the interpretation of that evidence was

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<v Speaker 1>heavily debated by both the prosecution and the defense. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no confession, no eyewitness testimony. There was only this

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in Gary Smith's word. And it's important to say

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<v Speaker 1>here Gary Smith is white, Michael McQueen was black. Nine

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<v Speaker 1>years of proceedings, in two separate appeals, Gary Smith finally

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<v Speaker 1>entered what's known as an Alfred plea.

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<v Speaker 13>An Alfred plea is essentially a guilty plea where you

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<v Speaker 13>say that I'm not saying that I did it, but

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<v Speaker 13>I acknowledge that there's a sufficient evidence in order to

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<v Speaker 13>find me guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Max fris Loan, a defense attorney in Maryland and

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of Friswood's Criminal Defense.

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<v Speaker 13>So you have somebody who spent years in jail, the

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<v Speaker 13>state has put on multiple criminal trials of pen numerous

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<v Speaker 13>witnesses who have testified multiple times under oath, and so

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<v Speaker 13>sort of the whole entire goal of an Alfred plea

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<v Speaker 13>is that the person's found guilty, but the person themselves

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<v Speaker 13>doesn't have to say it, but ultimately it is a conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>An Alfred plea is a compromise. The state still gets

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<v Speaker 1>a conviction, but the defendant gets the ability to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>their innocence. Plus. As part of the plea, Gary's legal

0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.920
<v Speaker 1>team negotiated his charges down significantly. What was once a

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<v Speaker 1>murder charge was now reckless endangerment and he got sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to time served. In the end, Gary Smith served just

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<v Speaker 1>six years behind bars. We reached out to Gary for comment,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't respond to our call. The same goes

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<v Speaker 1>from Michael McQueen's family. When Gary Smith was released, he

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<v Speaker 1>also quickly got a job. He went to work for

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<v Speaker 1>the very law firm that had defended him. He's even

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<v Speaker 1>used in the firm's promotional materials.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, I'm Gary. I'm a law clerk here at the

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<v Speaker 7>office of Jessega Moise.

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<v Speaker 5>I served six years in prison.

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<v Speaker 10>Before that, I was an army ranger.

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<v Speaker 5>If you were a loved one who'd been charged with

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<v Speaker 5>a crime, base get our office as a call and

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<v Speaker 5>we'd love to help you.

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<v Speaker 7>And now I'm happy to say that Gary works for

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<v Speaker 7>me full time as a law clerk on all my

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<v Speaker 7>homicide cases and my serious fellon cases.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Andrew Jessick, Gary's boss, speaking on his firm's YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm proud of him, and I think we were able

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<v Speaker 7>to show in the end that Gary was innocent and

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<v Speaker 7>that Gary deserved to get every break that he could.

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<v Speaker 7>And now he's married, he's got a child, he's my lockerck,

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<v Speaker 7>he's going to go to law school, and he's hopefully

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<v Speaker 7>going to be my partner one day.

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<v Speaker 1>If that boys sounds familiar, it's because you've heard it before.

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<v Speaker 7>Every scene has.

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<v Speaker 4>A past and every sinner has a future, and Mike.

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<v Speaker 10>The great hearts of him will continue and dominate for

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<v Speaker 10>the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Jessick was also Mike levin Goood's defense attorney. He

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<v Speaker 1>also didn't return our call. In many ways, Gary and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike had a lot in comment. Both of their cases

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<v Speaker 1>ended in a mess of legal technicalities, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>both convicted, but they each maintained their innocence in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of the judge's ruling. It's no wonder then that these

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 1>two became partners, that they came together to help other

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 1>people like them. On the Smith and Good site, they

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<v Speaker 1>invite people to reach out and give them a call.

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<v Speaker 10>So I called them up and surprisingly answered.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty twenty one, both Mike Levinood and Gary James

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<v Speaker 1>Smith had served their sentences, and together they launched Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and Good Associates, built on their experiences with and contacts

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<v Speaker 1>within the criminal justice system. On the surface, their business

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<v Speaker 1>is like any other consulting firm. They've got clean headshots

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<v Speaker 1>and a polished website with a promise to help guide

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<v Speaker 1>clients through a confusing system. But behind the branding there's

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<v Speaker 1>a convicted rapist and a man convicted in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the death of his friend, and both are charging money

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<v Speaker 1>to consult criminal defendants. We've confirmed through legal documents that

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<v Speaker 1>the firm has been employed by Jessic and Moees, the

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>criminal defense firm Mike and Gary both used. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is perfectly legal. Gary and Mike serve

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<v Speaker 1>their sentences and there's nothing stopping them from creating a

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<v Speaker 1>business like this. In fact, in the eyes of the

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<v Speaker 1>justice system, it might even be a good thing.

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<v Speaker 13>At some point, you do have to earn enough money

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<v Speaker 13>to comply with probation, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Max frizz Alone, the lawyer you heard from earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>He's referring to something we discussed at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode that X cons are required to hold down

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<v Speaker 1>a job as part of the terms of their probation.

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<v Speaker 13>For a lot of people who have been convicted of crimes,

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<v Speaker 13>especially crimes of violence sexual offenses, traditional employment might be impossible.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, you're unlikely to get through a background check

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<v Speaker 13>if you have a prior violent felony, or you know

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<v Speaker 13>you're a sex offender, so you might have to get

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<v Speaker 13>creative about how to keep making money.

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<v Speaker 1>And making money doesn't just benefit the offender, it benefits

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<v Speaker 1>their families, who often suffer from the lack of income

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<v Speaker 1>that comes with their relatives incarceration. But the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>X cons are now profiting from that past raises a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of moral, ethical, and legal questions.

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<v Speaker 10>One of the pitfalls and problems with the industry is

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<v Speaker 10>your qualification for the job is the fact that you

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<v Speaker 10>committed a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Trey Morgan, one of my producers. He's been reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on crime for eight years now and he did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the investigation for this episode. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest problems he sees with this industry is that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no certification process to become a prison consultant.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, almost every other industry that deals with our

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 10>criminal justice system has some sort of licensing and some

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 10>sort of board that establishes rules and guidelines, but for

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 10>some reason we have decided that this one doesn't need oversight.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of these crimes are about control, and being

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<v Speaker 1>a consultant puts you in a position of power. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's the concern of people like Mike getting close

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<v Speaker 1>with fellow criminals. Remember started this business immediately after getting out.

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<v Speaker 10>For sex offenders like Mike and violent offenders like Gary,

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<v Speaker 10>the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services, they

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<v Speaker 10>encourage limiting contact with other offenders, and the goal there

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<v Speaker 10>is really I mean, it's common sense to reduce the

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<v Speaker 10>risk of reoffending, especially right when you get out of

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<v Speaker 10>jail or prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike and Gary working together likely goes against that advice.

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.879
<v Speaker 1>So would Mike consulting other convicted felons while he was

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<v Speaker 1>still on probation. Maybe there's a world where I could

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>get past all of that. Mike and Gary did serve

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<v Speaker 1>their time. They're technically free to do whatever they want

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<v Speaker 1>to do and make money in most ways you could

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<v Speaker 1>think of. But there's one thing I keep coming back to,

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<v Speaker 1>what does this business mean for people like Michael McQueen

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<v Speaker 1>and for Saskia. I talked to Trey about it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep thinking about the fact that there's this entire

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<v Speaker 1>industry built around helping criminal defendants, attending to their fears,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>their anxieties, their difficulties, when there's someone like Saskia who's

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>spent years fighting to get the proper care she needs.

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like we spend so much energy caring

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<v Speaker 1>for perpetrators of these crimes, and as a culture, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't give the same safeguards to victims.

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<v Speaker 10>I hate to say it, but in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 10>we are an offender first society. Post conviction, our focus

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 10>turned to the convicted to say, okay, well, they're serving

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 10>their time, they're getting their life back together, and we

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 10>start forgetting about the actual victim.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go to Smith and Good's website, you see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about Mike and Gary's accolades home Mike was

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<v Speaker 1>a business exec at Fortune five hundred companies, and how

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Gary was an intelligence specialist in Afghanistan. Nowhere on the

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>website do they make any acknowledgment of the details of

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the crimes they've been convicted of and the victims whose

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>lives they've altered forever.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 10>And I couldn't imagine what it would be like for

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 10>Saskia to first learn that her perpetrator is selling the

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 10>experience that he gained from what he did to her.

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<v Speaker 10>I just can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Saskia had no idea about Like's business. She only found

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>out about it from us once we started investigating for

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't say that I was really surprised, but I

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<v Speaker 9>just thought it was really a low, shameful.

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<v Speaker 5>Thing to do.

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<v Speaker 9>He's not helping victims or not helping rehabilitate people, and

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<v Speaker 9>instead of making something good out of it, he decides

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 9>to capitalize on it. He's like they laughing at everything

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 9>that he put me through.

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>As for Michael McQueen, he will never know what Gary

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>went on to do. He was long dead by the

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>time Smith and Good began. But those who loved McQueen,

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>his family, his friends, those he served with overseas remain.

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>As we said earlier, we tried contacting his mother for comment.

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<v Speaker 1>She never replied to our messages. We do have audio

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<v Speaker 1>from Gary's final sentencing hearing in twenty fifteen when McQueen's

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>mother got up to give a victim impact statement, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to share what she had to say.

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<v Speaker 2>There must be concerned for victims, And for my son,

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>who under no reason was murdered and chilled by someone

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 2>whom he considered a friend.

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<v Speaker 7>Whether or not is called one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, whether or not is called Ma's blood, it is

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 2>still murder. He chilled an innocent young man who had

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<v Speaker 2>everything to look forward to. And so I asked myself,

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>where is the fairness for my son? Where's the fairness

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>for him?

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Mike and Gary get to move on. Victims live with

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>these crimes forever.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll never be the same. I'll never be able to

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<v Speaker 9>assume that because I'm a good person that I'll get

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<v Speaker 9>treated as one.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>It would be one thing for Mike to start a

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>business like this if he'd made amends with Saskia.

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<v Speaker 9>If he would have said, I'm a sex addict and

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<v Speaker 9>I will do anything I can to show you that

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry, If he would have done anything in good.

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<v Speaker 1>Faith, then maybe Saskio would feel differently about all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if his actions in the divorce trial are any indication,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike's not trying to minimize harm.

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<v Speaker 9>There was no regret, no accountability taken immediately right away.

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<v Speaker 9>The only thing he cared about was saving his face.

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<v Speaker 1>This question of accountability is one that comes up in

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<v Speaker 1>many of our stories, but it's rare that we have

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<v Speaker 1>a case where the perpetrator has built a career around

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<v Speaker 1>his conviction and incarceration, which is one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted a call Mike to ask him about this ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So Trey rang them.

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<v Speaker 10>Up and surprisingly he answered, I don't know what I

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<v Speaker 10>imagined after listening to all the court audio and all

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<v Speaker 10>of that, but he just sounded like a normal guy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>I introduced myself. I'm Trey, I'm a producer. We're doing

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<v Speaker 10>a story about Taskia Inwood and wanted to talk to

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<v Speaker 10>you about your business. And he paused for a.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, and then Mike started asking Trey questions, questions like,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're a reporter, what's the angle of the story?

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<v Speaker 10>And then he said something to the effect of, what

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<v Speaker 10>does my business have to do with my personal life?

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<v Speaker 10>What does my business have to do with Saskia. His

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<v Speaker 10>business is a result of serving time, and he served

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<v Speaker 10>that time because of his relationship to Saskia.

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<v Speaker 1>Trey laid this out for Mike, but at this point

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<v Speaker 1>Mike was done talking. He said he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>comment on his business, his criminal trial, or his divorce. Case,

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<v Speaker 1>so they ended the call. Afterwards, Trey sat there frozen

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, processing Mike's questions, what's the story here?

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<v Speaker 1>What do his crimes his personal life have to do

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<v Speaker 1>with his business?

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<v Speaker 10>When he said that, I was caught off guard, like,

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<v Speaker 10>how do you answer that?

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<v Speaker 1>On the final episode Betrayal Season five, we turned back

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<v Speaker 1>to Saskia and her healing journey.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think that I can ever trust anybody. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't think that I could ever fully be confident that

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<v Speaker 9>someone wasn't misleading me or manipulating me because I was

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<v Speaker 9>so sure that he was a good person and that

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<v Speaker 9>you love me. How can I ever get to the

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<v Speaker 9>point where I truly don't fear that.

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<v Speaker 1>For resources on sexual violence, visit RAIN dot org slash

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<v Speaker 1>and produced by me Andrea Gunning, written and produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Our story editor is Monique le Board. Also produced by

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