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We are coming to you live 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:45.760 from two different posts. Technology really has brought us so 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.320 far to this moment. I'm so I'm so happy. I 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:55.679 love science. We are finally going to talk about the 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.680 finale of Interview with the Vampire. Um TikTok finally figured 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.720 out that I have been watching it and so now 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.960 I'm getting nothing but listat edits fan can fan cams. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.120 I think we have graduated from calling them fan cams 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.840 to edits. That's what That's what the kids are saying. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.919 I don't know that's what gen Z calls them. I 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.200 think fan cams is fan cams is very kind of 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:24.200 millennial terminology. Oh god, I hate aging myself on this podcast, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.880 but I hope we are millennials. We're old, We're ancients. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.120 I know, I know, don't remind me. Yeah. So, the 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.119 first season of Interviewed the Vampire has ended. I thought 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:39.280 the finale was so good. It was so unexpected. I mean, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.920 that's what's been great about the whole first season of 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.840 the show is, you know, as someone who knows the 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.720 source material, knowing what the story was working towards, and 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.960 then seeing the ways in which they altered and and 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:58.280 subverted those expectations was really exciting. Like, obviously, you know 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.920 that the first season is going to end with them 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.800 attempting to kill Lestat, and they still do, but the 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:09.680 way it happens is so different. Um, and so what changes? 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.280 So you know in the original novel, there's no big 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:19.800 party or anything. The plan progresses much more straightforward. You know, 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.840 Claudia drugs these two little twin boys, Listat drinks from them. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.039 One of the vampire rules is that you can't drink 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.600 for them from the dead, where you will die yourself. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.520 Claudia is the one who splits Listat's throat, and then 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.240 they toss him into the swamp and he later you know, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.440 feeds on alligators to you know, kind of regain some 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.480 of his strength. Um And in this finale, you know, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.520 there were parts of that. They're like there were still 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.680 the twins, they still drugged them. But then there was 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.920 the whole twist of Antoinette having been turned, and the 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.040 sort of like false memory that Louis actually refused to 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.480 burn Lestat's corpse because he couldn't handel killing his lover, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.120 and then at the end, and then at the end 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.520 we find out that maybe none of this is real 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:13.920 because Rashid revealed himself to be Armand, and it's like 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:18.560 obvious that he has been manipulating Louie. One of the 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.440 sort of details that I saw in a tech talk 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.080 that someone pointed out is that in that special room, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.600 all of the bookcases are like on the ceiling, so 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:32.800 only someone who could fly could reach them. So it's 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.599 just more signs that Armand is manipulating Louis. So who's 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.600 Urmand in the franchise. I don't really, I'm not. I'm 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.039 not in on the lore like that. Yeah. So Armand 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:50.040 is one of the oldest living vampires. He is a 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.280 lover of Louise. In the original novel and film, he 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.720 and Louis meet when Claudia and Louie are in Paris 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.599 and to Armand is you know, the person who leads 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.920 to Claudia being killed, but he and Louis become lovers. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.120 He also in the books has a relationship with Daniel, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.080 the journalist, and we kind of got a flash of 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.839 that in the show of Daniel's memory of meaning Louie 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.520 and Armand in the seventies. So maybe we'll see that 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.039 play out in season two. But Armand is a very 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:28.120 manipulative figure, so it's clear that all is not right 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.080 between him and Louie. And I'm just very interested to 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.240 see where this goes, because the whole first season was 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.360 about telling the real version of this story that's already 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.480 been told, and now we're finding out that now there's 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.760 another layer to that. So who knows what the real 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.920 version of the real version is and which we're going 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.400 to find out in season two. I guess I guess so. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.720 I the episode was so good. I love Claudia. I'm 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.000 really hoping that maybe in this new version of the 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.360 story of Claudia isn't dead and she's going to come 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.920 back in it in the present, and I don't want 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:07.080 my girl gone. The experience of watching Interview with a 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:11.400 vampire is truly just waiting for people to kiss. I 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.760 think that people to people to sort of give long 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.679 monologues about something like there was that scene where Louis 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.400 and Lestat were on the balcony, and like, you look 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.880 back on it and it's clear, like obviously Lestaton knew 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.200 that they were going to try to kill him, and 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.320 he was having this like whole emotional moment of like 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.040 talking about how he loved New Orleans, and I was like, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.600 what's he talking about? It was a lot. I mean, honestly, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.480 I felt similarly when I was watching The Crown this weekend, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.520 because I did watch at all. Did you watch any 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.440 of The Crown? I haven't started the new season yet. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.200 I just have been so busy with moving. So I 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.120 will give my non spoiler kind of a preview for you. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:01.120 Can you really spoil a historical show? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.320 That you're like, I don't know, if you know, I don't, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.000 Well she does. She doesn't die. I think she dies 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.320 in the next partum apparently I think that the franchise 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.640 ends with her death questions, So she didn't die in 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.160 this season. No, she doesn't die in this season. Now, okay, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.240 well that is a spoiler, is it really? Because I 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.240 thought that I thought with her dying, I don't I know. Yeah, 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.240 So my my non spoiler preview into The Crown for 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.360 you going in is that I wouldn't say it's mid 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.520 as it is just slightly less thrilling, which like a 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.959 lot of like the previous seasons of The Crown are good, 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:46.079 like with like the fucking like fog and the mud slides, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.640 and like the intrigue and like the sexcapades, and you know, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.040 this season, I think that the thing that changes the 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.360 chemistry so much is the casting of Emelda Stanton and 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:04.199 Elizabeth Debeccky, who I think are giving extremely specific performances. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.719 And this is the evil queen right, like, this is 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:15.120 the world's most powerful imperialist, like reaching the point of 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.280 her life where she is the least popular and will 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.640 remain the least popular until she dies and then the 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.719 same thing with you know, Princess Die is that we 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:30.120 have this like complex character who is someone who's like chaotic, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.200 like mentally like needs a lot like more support than 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.640 she's getting. And like I mean, long story short, I 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:42.199 think that they're both playing slightly edgier, slightly soapier versions 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.440 of these characters that have like opinions on them, right, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.680 and so if you like the Queen, you're not gonna 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.600 like Emilda Stones. I wonder, I think it's it's interesting 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.400 that you point that out. And I wonder if that 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.559 was sort of an intentional casting choice because the you know, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.840 produce there's of the show know that they're going into 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.120 the era where the Queen is no longer a sympathetic 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.360 figure and Emil de stant it, I mean, hello, she's professor, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.640 professor Ambridge. Maybe it was like that's I was worried 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.480 that it was two on the nose, and I do 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.480 think it is a little too on the nose because 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.920 Emilda is extremely expressive and the Queen is not, you 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.400 know what I mean, Like she is like like she 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.120 she's never ever showing emotions, and Emila stan is like 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.160 giving us like downt now be kind of you know 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.920 what I mean, like, and I appreciate doubt now be 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.719 but it does feel different from a lot of the 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.800 realism we were getting with Olivia Coleman and Claire Foy, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.920 who portrayed emotionlessness with such depth and dynamism. Olivia was 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.800 so good and just you know, Claire Foy is the 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.640 version of the queen that I fell in love with. Yeah, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.560 those were the glory days. Yeah. So I just watched 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.400 for the first time the first two seasons in my 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.040 depression Spiral and New York. I watched like nineteen episodes 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.839 of The Crown in like one weekend, And yeah, that 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.920 that it's such a stark dichotomy. But when you do 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.559 finish the season, we should have a chat about it, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.280 because I had so many things I wanted to talk about. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.199 For sure, we actually have a lot of Netflix stuff 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.520 to talk about today, including um, did you ever get 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.719 around to watching any of Young Royal Season two? I 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.200 only watched the first episode, but I did. I did 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.120 revisit the first season because I hadn't really actively watched it. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.120 I think I had it on I think I was 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.360 going to say on background, but how can you how 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.599 can you watch? How can you watch a show in 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.920 another language on background. I can't it's I mean, I can't. Um, yeah, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.839 I just probably maybe didn't retain so much. But it's 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.240 only six episodes long with something well yeah, they're very 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.520 short seasons. Um um, you liked it. I really liked it. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.719 I thought it was I mean, I was obviously so 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.200 happy it returned. I think the setup for the season 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.520 it's just, I mean, what is the way to put this. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.880 It's it's like the perfect fan fiction, you know. It's like, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.880 I mean, and you saw the first episode, so like 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.040 the setup is like the perfect angsty setup. It's like 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.040 they broke up because of something the Prince did to Simone, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.400 and Simone like has a new boy who's interested in him, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.880 and will Willie is like still in love with him 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.199 and is jealous, and it's like just like all the 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:29.199 perfect angsty tropes coming together in the best way. I 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:34.760 did finish the second season, and I was so impressed 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.160 with the storytelling, so impressed with the acting. I think 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.319 the actor who plays Prince Willim is so good and 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.240 I think this will be the start of a really 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:50.000 interesting career for him. And you know the ending, I mean, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.040 you'll see if you if you ever get around to 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.360 finishing it. I liked that, you know, who knows if 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.360 there will be a third season, but it does have 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.920 a very definitive and also hopeful ending, and I really 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.040 appreciated that in case there isn't anymore. Uh, and I 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.640 just thoroughly enjoyed it. And you know, I don't like 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:16.480 teen shows shows, teen shows. I just don't think teenagers 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.839 are real people, so I like, I just can't watch 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.280 anything that's about them, and especially with this, it's like 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.480 they're actually played by teens, so it's kind of even 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.520 more like that. But I really loved it. I mean, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.600 I I cannot wait to watch a second season. I'll 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.880 let you know what I think. But like, speaking of realism, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.839 we have you know what is essentially a historical drama 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:46.640 Falling for Christmas starring Lindsay Lohan. Yes look original Christmas. Yes, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.760 friend and I watched Following for Christmas last week. Lindsay 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:54.840 Lohan is the new Queen of Christmas, affirmed I've determined 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.599 as Yeah, you know, the thing about this movie is 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.240 like it is exactly what it promises. It is a 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.360 you know, Christmas rom com, the kind poorly written Christmas 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.199 it promises that the trailer. The trailer specifically is like 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.120 this is going to be bad. I think it it 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.439 what it promises that it is exactly the kind of 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.280 Christmas movie that Netflix has been making a lot the 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.600 past couple of years, sort of following in the legacy 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:26.240 of like Hallmark Christmas movies, very formulate plot and tropes, 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.800 and I think it's very aware of those things, like 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:34.040 literally every twist I predicted. Yeah, and you also pointed 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.120 something out to me that I'll never not think about, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.280 which is the way that people are lit in these films. Yeah, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.120 just like washed out with like these like overhead, Like 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.360 it's so crazy. It is very it's very bright. Both 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.680 of her love interests were gay. It must be sad 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.359 well and one of and one of them is confirmed 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.880 to be I mean at least by at the end 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.800 of the movie. But you all throw a twist. Yeah. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.560 But her fiancee, who she spoiler alert doesn't end up with, 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.040 also like meets this poacher in the woods who rescues him, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.800 and I thought that's who he was going to end 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.400 up with because there was such a vibe between them 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.560 and there were things like he said something about how 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.040 he had such big hands and I think, I mean, 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.080 even though he did eventually end up with like Lindsay's 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.520 assistant who worked at the hotel, I just think he, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.360 he and the poacher should have wound up together because 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.600 they had a beautiful, beautiful love and lots of sexual chemistry. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.440 It's something that you and I noticed immediately is that 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.560 Lindsay was good. Like she was saying she was amazing, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.200 and I felt like, I feel like she you know, 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.040 maybe I went into this movie being like this is 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.200 going to be such hot garbage. And she has a 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.720 reputation in Hollywood and has for so long for being 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.200 someone that is impossible to work with and um like 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.680 declines the quality of a production in a lot of 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.800 different ways. And like I I'm just so happy to 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.280 see her back in movies. And I do hope this 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.440 means she can do more ship because she's really good 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.560 at doing this right. She's good at doing rom coms, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.680 she's good at doing slapstick, okay, physical comedy. Um and 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.600 she also has like a humanity and a likability I 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.880 think that just most actresses can't create. It's like the 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.320 movie start quality, Like Julia Roberts c Yeah, when we 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.120 were talking about it, at dinner the other night, I 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.000 think Lawla said that she just feels very turned on, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.160 and and that is absolutely how I felt watching the movie, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.320 watching her whole press tour. The light is back in 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.120 her eyes, and you know, maybe she will be the 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.320 new Quein of Christmas and do one of these movies 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.320 like every year, every couple of years, or maybe she'll 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.520 you know, do something else next. I would love to 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:55.640 see her in a horror movie or something, because Lindsay 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:02.480 was so good in like every movie she did when 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.480 she was one of the most famous people in the world, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:12.080 and there is potential there for her to make a return. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.760 She is very talented, and you know, watching these interviews 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.159 and like pressed stuff she's doing, you realize, like Lindsay 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.800 really at one point she was the most famous person 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.959 in the world. She has all the hits, she has 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.880 been in, all of these like films that have left 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.840 indelible marks on pop culture, and so much of it 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.240 is because of her performance in them. So I'm happy 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.320 to see her back on my screen and I want 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.359 her to stay there. To me, she's like right for 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.680 the picking too now because okay, she's actually assented to 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.600 this part. This like height of celebrity where her celebrity 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.200 is a part of the performance, right, And so the 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.800 nostalgia for Lindsay Lohan, I think is something that should 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.920 that like a kind of Darren Aronofsky or like that's 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.680 like a crazy thing to say about, like or like 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.680 I don't even mother to Can you imagine like a 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.159 prestige director taking what Lindsay does and giving it like 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.920 a totally different vessel, like, because I think that what 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.760 we see, the kind of meta nature of Lindsay Lohan 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.040 in a movie and what she means to us culturally 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.000 is something that has like a lot of thematic depth 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.920 and if like a really amazing director got ahold of that. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.560 I also think, like obviously I want her to do 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.639 rom comes too, but like she would eat in like 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.000 a prestige erotic thriller or something like that, Well she's 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.040 done those well not prestige. But have you ever seen 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.080 have you ever seen the movie I Know Who Killed Me? No? 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.600 But I have heard amazing thing. Um it's one of 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.520 the worst movies I've ever seen. But it does involve 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.760 a subplot where Lindsay gets one of her legs amputated 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.440 and then has a prosthetic that has to be charged 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.119 or else, like she won't be able to walk and 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.080 during a crucial chase sequence, like her leg powers down 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.200 because she forgot to charge it. It's a really it's 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.159 a really insane, insane movie, and she's a stripper in 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.239 it and she has a twin. Wow, incredible. I mean, 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.480 now I really want to watch that, but you should. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.920 It's not worth watching. But like, see there's a version 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.280 of that movie that's like directed by like Sofia Coppola 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.639 or like or like you know, like the guy that 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.359 did Ex Machina or whatever. I could maybe see her 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.160 going the way of like what's been happening with Nicholas 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.800 Cage this year where he did that where he did 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.480 that movie that was sort of meta. I think you're 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.760 right that if she's going to do something prestige, her 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:51.639 celebrity has to be part of the film. Yeah, that 0:19:51.720 --> 0:20:10.640 would be so good. I don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:18.120 Do you remember what was the first media you were 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:23.600 titilated by viscerally? Viscerally? Because unfortunately, and yes, I was 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.440 one of those children, no one told me what jerking 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:31.640 off was. I figured it out on my own without 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.600 any instruction or knowledge of what masturbation was. Is that 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.800 not crazy? Um? But it was. I did not masturbate 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.560 to porn. What did you masturbate? Because I think I 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:46.000 knew what porn was. But uh, you know, as we've established, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:51.200 my internet at home had like parental parental locks, child 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.280 safety stuff on it, so that the very first thing 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.399 that I ever consumed in a in a pornographic sense 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.720 was I was playing as you ever play mall tycoon? 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:07.959 Uh no, it's like it's like roller coaster tycoon if 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.920 you never played roller coaster tycoon. I played roller coaster okay, 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.800 but instead of building a roller coaster, you know, theme, 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.119 instead of building a theme park, you're building a mall. Yes, 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.000 so much better. It was so fun, Like I'd let 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.159 you know, to me, malls our theme park. And that 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.840 is pornographic, like like being like here's my auntie An's like, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.359 here's where like my little like women's department store is, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.440 here's my you know what I mean. I'm not really 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.000 seeing the comparison that how it's pornographic, but I'm sure 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.240 you'll get there. I just know not actually, um, So 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.800 what happened was I'm in a very pure time of 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.720 my life. I actually don't even know how old I was, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:48.920 probably early early teens, not high school yet. I remember 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.040 during puberty, yes, during puberty, Yes, a normal a pretty 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.200 normal time, still not knowing what masturbation was, still not 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.800 knowing about the world that the secular world around me. 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.000 I remember like building my little mall and seeing that 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.720 inside this little like clothing store whatever, there are like 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:12.800 little sims like changing in their changing rooms. I'm not joking. 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:15.960 And you jerked off to that. And when I tell 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.040 you that, the that the person that I jerked that, 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:24.000 the sim that I jerked off to, had no nipples, 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.639 no vagina, like was barely like looked like a little 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.480 like monopoly piece like. So what got you off was 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.399 playing God? What what got me was playing God and 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.080 knowing makes so much And the fact that I could 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.879 see her change because it was a woman. No, it was, 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.760 it was it was okay, I remember, I guess, yeah, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.159 I could have been a non I know it was 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.840 definitely a woman. Um, how do you know? Did you ask? 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.200 I didn't ask because you were playing God. Yes I was. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.520 But the fact that I was watching her, the voyeurism 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.840 of it, I brought myself to completion and rose to 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:03.639 completion and theode rose. I don't know what masturbation was. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:05.800 So when I completed, so to speak, I was like, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.480 what am I dying? I literally I was like, this 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.920 is bad? Do you? But like there is something wrong, 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:18.920 like this is this is rotten? Just this is bad, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.359 and I like made a mess of myself. I luckily 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.520 was alone, like in this part, and like in the house. 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.600 I remember running back to my room and being like, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.720 what is this stuff? You know what I mean? Like 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.160 it was I was freaking out. And then of course 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.200 that opened up what would then be a lifetime of 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.520 hurricane and jerkin to whatever I could find. Um, what 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.840 about you? What was the what was the in seminary incident? 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.720 If you will not in seminary? I mean, I think 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.960 the first time I ever found I've talked about this before, 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.720 the first time I ever found like a piece of 0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:00.600 media erotic was Halle Berry and Kyle mcla Backlin in 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.399 the Flintstones movie. They just had this like crazy sexual 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.920 chemistry that I think was the first time I felt 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.840 sort of the stirrings of bisexual desire within myself. But 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:16.080 the first time I ever masturbated to something was I 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.720 was at my dad's house one weekend, because you know, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.040 I'm a child of divorce, and we did like every 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.520 other weekend my dad's and he and my brother had 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.840 gone out for something, and I was snooping, because like, 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.600 if there's one thing I'm gonna do when being left 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.560 alone somewhere, it's snoop, of course, and I can picture 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.520 it so vividly in this blue denim duffel bag and 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.440 my dad's closet that was like very obviously like a 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:44.399 thing that things were hidden in. I found a VHS 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:49.600 of a porn that was about like naughty schoolgirls, and I, 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.440 you know, put it in and I had never seen 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:59.040 people having sex on screen before. And there was like 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.720