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Speaker 1: The nick Ki Glaser Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Glasers, Hello here I am. It's Nicky Glazer. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Nicky Glazer Podcast. I'm here in Saint Louis, joined

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Speaker 2: by my mom and studio.

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Speaker 3: Hi Mom, Hi Nicky.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to have you back, and I know

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Speaker 2: I'm excited you're here for a special reason today. Brian

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Speaker 2: is also here with us from New York. Hi Brian.

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Speaker 2: He's in New York right now for the holiday. But

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Speaker 2: we have a very special guest on the show today,

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure you already know from the description on

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Speaker 2: the podcast. It's one of my favorite comedians of all time,

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Speaker 2: and my mom's like favorite comedian. You're like our your

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Speaker 2: our favorite.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say she's my favorite. I would

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Speaker 4: have said it's your favorite.

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Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin is the is just such an inspiration to

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Speaker 2: I would not be who I am without Kathy Griffin.

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Speaker 2: My mom would not be who she is without Kathy

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Speaker 2: grif so inspiring to us. We've watched her along just

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Speaker 2: for so many years. Now she is embarking on her

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Speaker 2: first tour of America in six years. It's called My

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Speaker 2: Life on the PTSD list. It is a forty city tour.

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Speaker 2: I am definitely traveling to Kansas City to go see

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Speaker 2: it because it's the closest that it's getting to me.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: I was sad that I couldn't go see you in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I thought, oh my gosh, this is just a one

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Speaker 2: off thing. I'm so glad you're back on tour. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, Kathy. I'm sorry to keep talking, please,

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just so blessed to meet you today.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so sweet. Well, I love you,

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Speaker 1: you know that. And Julie, I'm your favor. Just say it.

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Speaker 1: I'm your aunt.

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Speaker 4: Katley, Okay, you're my favorite, definitely, and you always have been.

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Speaker 3: But Nikki came into the scene and it was like,

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Speaker 3: what do I do?

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, Reilly, I prefer you to Nikki. I'm nothing

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 2: No, Kathy. Whenever my mom laughs at your material, because

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Speaker 2: we'll watch your stuff together, she always goes, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: She's just so funny. She says to say, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: to go why are you apologizing? And it's always because

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Speaker 2: she thinks I'm getting offended on some level, and I go, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not, because she is the queen. My mom did the

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Speaker 1: same thing when I was in the Groundings, the improv

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Speaker 1: group back in the day, I was in the Growndings

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Speaker 1: with Lisa Krudro, who of course went on to be

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Speaker 1: and afterwards you would go, oh, Kathleen, that Lisa Kudro

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Speaker 1: just has the if fact maybe I sketch and she get, well,

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Speaker 1: you should keep working, but has everything. It's a path.

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Speaker 1: So I'm used to it. That's what moms do at

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Speaker 1: your job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, don't you think that's a reason why

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Speaker 2: you are the way you are? Though? Is because of that?

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Speaker 2: Just were you always seeking her validation? Were you always

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Speaker 2: trying to get your mom's approval? Is that a yeah?

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Speaker 1: Look at me, Look at me. I mean, it's just beainiful.

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Speaker 1: I was the youngest of five and you know, a

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Speaker 1: wonderfully dysfunctional family, and my parents enjoyed the drink and

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Speaker 1: so I was just dancing around trying to get their attention.

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Speaker 1: But it was hard to get their attention away from

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Speaker 1: like the high ball mix. Do you guys remember the

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Speaker 1: fornixens where you would put a powder in a drink

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Speaker 1: like seven. I can make my parents like a high

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Speaker 1: ball Ernold it was powder, and then we had Hanburger Helper,

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Speaker 3: That was the day. That's what they ate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you find that your parents? Did your parents watch

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Speaker 2: a lot of TV? So was that a way for

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Speaker 2: you to go like, Okay, they'll pay attention to me

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Speaker 2: if I get on that as a part of it.

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Speaker 1: We're totally starstruck, so I want and believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Until the John Hughes movies started filming in Chicago, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the Breakfast Club and stuff. Yeah, their daily Who

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Speaker 1: So my parents were very starstruck and we saw every movie.

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Speaker 1: And there was one theater in our town called the

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Speaker 1: somehow I would talk the producers into letting my parents

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Speaker 1: have pictures of my parents with George Clooney from me

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Speaker 1: are and it was like the episode that Quentin Tarantino directed,

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Speaker 1: So there's a picture of my parents with Quentin Tarantino. Wow.

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Speaker 1: It was honestly like it was a blast to bring

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Speaker 1: the darlings of the set and people would see the.

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Speaker 2: Way it is for me, Great Kathy, I really took

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Speaker 2: a page from that book of yours of bringing my

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Speaker 2: They've been on pretty much every shoot that I can

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Speaker 2: get them on. I've incorporated them into every kind of

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Speaker 2: I just love them so much, and I think I

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Speaker 2: I do think that was a thing that I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: my parents really like TV people. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: into this, I'm gonna take a little dark turn here.

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Speaker 2: I really fear losing my parents because I was even

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Speaker 2: crying to it about my my therapist yesterday. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I will have any reason to

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Speaker 2: everything I do. They are you know, they maybe don't

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I don't even I don't even

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Speaker 2: what's making me do this? Because I really think it's

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Speaker 2: nice to make them grow.

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Speaker 1: Them back, you'll bring them back. I learned this from

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Speaker 1: the Great Don Ripples, the Why Dear de Party Friend,

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Speaker 1: the one Tonnolly Don Ripples, and he would his mom

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Speaker 1: she said, wait, I can't remember what she said in

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Speaker 1: and there was a certain period of time when he

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Speaker 1: about her in a way that was very you know, poetic,

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Speaker 1: and I I still talk about my mom and I

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Speaker 1: my mom and my dad, and they say tip it,

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Speaker 1: which is something my mom would say, because my mom

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Speaker 1: enjoyed a box of wine and when the plastic bag

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Speaker 1: our car any don food like all that stuff you

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Speaker 1: your dead mother when she's in the room now, Julie,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to burst into tears of white therapist,

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Speaker 1: But Julie, what celebrities have like stuck out with you?

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Speaker 1: Did you? Oh?

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Speaker 3: With through Nicki Blake Shelton, Well, yeah, Blake.

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Speaker 4: I've met so many Dave Matthews, Blake Shelton.

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Speaker 1: Way taught me about nick Shelton.

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Speaker 3: Uh well, Nicky was doing a game show with.

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Speaker 2: Him, Barmageddon now episode will be in January.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, good to know.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, we got to and Nicky's like, do you want

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm so in.

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Speaker 4: She took me on tour with her to go see Taylor,

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Speaker 4: like four different shows, different cities. Nicky's so generous with me, Kathy,

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Speaker 4: It's anyway, Blake like spent fifteen minutes with me just

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Speaker 4: Well he honestly, he didn't cringe when I said Blake.

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Speaker 3: He's such a nice guy. He's just like I was.

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Speaker 4: I really didn't even know who he was, to be honest, Like,

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Speaker 4: I know who he is, but I didn't know how

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Speaker 3: No, to be honest, did he.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just really He's like he's talking about

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Speaker 2: how he met Gwen, like he was letting us in

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Speaker 2: on all this kind of like insider info. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: But then I got called to set and he just

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Speaker 2: stuff really stands out to you. Gwen.

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Speaker 1: So FRANI feel about your whole mother trying to take cake.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I said, don't tell Gwen.

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Speaker 1: Mother's a harlot.

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Speaker 3: I said, I said, don't tell Gwen.

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Speaker 2: But it was so funny because I went on to

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Speaker 2: I was shooting a show this this summer, and there

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Speaker 2: mom coming to set again? We love your mom. I

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Speaker 2: you got into the wine on that shoot. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you were just being funny and hilarious, and you were

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Speaker 2: supposed to be like a drunk honky talk bar of

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Speaker 2: like cool you know, millennials gen z. And my mom's

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Speaker 5: Like a mandatory minimum sentence, you got five years for

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Speaker 2: It's no wonder you have on.

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Speaker 1: And people just can't get over it, Like it was

434
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: the craziest thing. Like I did the Stephen Colbert Show

435
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: one time, and I'm a giant fan of his. I

436
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: love the Colbert rapport in particular. Yeah, and I went

437
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: on and he was so tough on me. The com

438
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: minute the interview was over, I went in the wings

439
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: and I freaking burst into tears. It was so embarrassing.

440
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: And the producer came over to me and he said,

441
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget. He goes, he just couldn't get beyond

442
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Speaker 1: the picture.

443
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 3: Oh God, give me a break.

444
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: Because it was brutal, and he goes, I'm gonna give

445
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: you a beautiful edit. And it was one of those

446
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: shows where they did they did a Thursday show, it

447
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: would run Friday and fine. But like, but people that

448
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: came at me, it wasn't just the right wing, it

449
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: was left right and said, you can't.

450
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: You know what, can't anyone just like understand that sometimes

451
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: you make a fucking mistake and that you make you

452
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: just we've all been caught up in a moment. I mean,

453
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: people can't relate to photo shoots and the ideas that

454
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: get thrown out and the things that you do, like

455
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Speaker 2: I've I've had water dumped on me with like a

456
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: white T shirt with my nipples hanging out, Like I've

457
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 2: done like kind of partially nude photographs when I didn't

458
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: even want to because a guy in my kitchen was like,

459
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: I have a cool idea. It's it can't anyone grasp

460
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: that sometimes and that and you and you know it

461
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 2: boils down to you pressing post on your Instagram. Your

462
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: life was over. You just hit a button. You'd hit

463
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: your phone with your thumb, and your life was fucking over,

464
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying.

465
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Speaker 1: Thing. I was doing it because I was in between

466
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Speaker 1: well in between gates. I was out of work, and

467
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: one of the things that I do, and you're like

468
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: this as a self starter, is I thought, you know

469
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: what I'll do. I had the of course, the photographer.

470
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: I had no fallout, you know, typical, but I had

471
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: worked with him before and I foolishly trusted him. But

472
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, why don't I take a bunch

473
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: of wacky pictures? And I took one where like I

474
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: was spoofing Kim Kardashian, like I took like five wacky

475
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: pictures that day. And that Trump picture took ten minutes.

476
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: It was the last one of the day, and I

477
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: had a Halloween mask and you know, off Trump and whatever.

478
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: But I really thought, this picture will live on my

479
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: Instagram for a day, or maybe it'll be on a

480
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: gay blog and that'll be Yeah.

481
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: Like I didn't well that you weren't trying to fire

482
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: up anyone. You weren't trying to make it. It was

483
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: we got to go to break. But I let's just

484
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: talk about all this when we get back. I really

485
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: want to talk about the name of your tour, why

486
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: you chose that name, and like what what you've You've

487
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: gone through and you've been through so much more than

488
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: just this in the last six years. We'll be back

489
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: with more Kathy Griffin after this. Okay, we're back. Kathy

490
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: Griffin is here. She is back on tour forty city tour.

491
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Speaker 2: And I like that you said that. I watched an

492
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: Instagram live of yours recently. These are secondary cities, so

493
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: these are these aren't the big the big cities. These

494
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: are like you know, you took your agent made a

495
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Speaker 2: plan for you, ry Town.

496
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Speaker 1: New York, oh mah Red Bank, New Jersey, Napa, California,

497
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: like yes, cities, and I sold, I'm this go around.

498
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm not doing like La New York, Minneapolis, Chicago.

499
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Speaker 2: I have to Nikki, I take it the temperature, yeah.

500
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: But I also have to earn my way back, like

501
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: my dream has to play Carnegie Hall again.

502
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: You played it five times, thanks already five times.

503
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Just me, no open or nothing. And you've never met

504
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: anyone who loves standing on that stage more than I do.

505
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: I am I know, Garland, I'm sorry, you know all

506
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: the I you know. I have to earn my way

507
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: back to Carnegie. I hope to play the Chicago Theater again.

508
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: I hope to play the Kodak in LA. But I

509
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: don't know, you guys, I'm scared.

510
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: I know. It's all It's one hundred going to happen.

511
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: This is your redempt people. Whether or not people have

512
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: forgiven you. Everyone who has a head on their shoulders

513
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: and and and has been a fan of yours in

514
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: the past is back on boards always. Yes, I can't.

515
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: I was for you to come back, and I want

516
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: to ask your advice. So okay, So Julie, you're a

517
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: super fan of buy and obviously you know I'm all

518
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: a humble legend, all right.

519
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 3: That's what I love about you.

520
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: That's I'm just humble. The thing that I think really

521
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: just hurts, but I want to have figure out a

522
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: way to work around it. Is what hurts the most

523
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: is all the people that think about that Tren photo,

524
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: but they'd forgotten. They did like Kathy griff and my

525
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: life on the g List, They did like my specials

526
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: they did, like, you know whatever, And I still like

527
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: that photo took away my entire body.

528
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: Unfair. I just can't even believe how unfair.

529
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm the same person exactly.

530
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: But and I guarantee you anyone who's seen you in

531
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: concert and anyone who knows you, all your fans will

532
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: be there.

533
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: They're coming back. These are other people that cancel.

534
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 2: And the people that aren't gonna come back have a

535
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: brain disorder. I mean that's what they have, a mental illness,

536
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: which we all know about. And it's like anything to

537
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: do with that guy. They can't open their heart to

538
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 2: any kind of reasoning or just they can't use simple logic.

539
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: But I really do think that the pressure you'll get

540
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: from this and the stories that will come out of it,

541
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: the different appearances you'll make, You're gonna start being in

542
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: their face again a lot more, and people are just

543
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: gonna fall in love with you all over again because

544
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: you're so fucking funny. I'm so excited to hear this material.

545
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: You were even just one of the most prolific. You

546
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: are probably the most prolific comedian we have. You know,

547
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: I always say I'm so grateful that I'm a because

548
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: she is just so prolific and she's constantly putting out stuff.

549
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a fan of Rihanna, you've

550
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: been waiting for an album for like two decades and

551
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: it sucks. But you know when you're a fan of

552
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin. I was looking at your special spread of

553
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: like twenty specials that you've put out. Yeah, you would

554
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: shoot sometimes three specials in a year, Like it would

555
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: be like, you know, thirteen months and there would be

556
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: three specials. I'm sure you've been over this before. How

557
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: do you generate material? What is your writing process? I

558
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: just saw an instagram of you actually just typing away

559
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: of like how are you getting ready for tour? And

560
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: it's just you feverishly typing. Is that your process in

561
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: front of a laptop?

562
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Not really? In fact, I'm just old school bullet points,

563
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, same, it's so ridiculous. It still bring

564
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: a notebook on stage with me. I don't really look

565
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: at it, but it's like a security bank too. Yeah,

566
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: it's like bullets. And then I'm off and running and

567
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm lucky if I get to all of them at

568
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: the end of the two hours.

569
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: But you remember all of the punchlines just because you

570
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: just I have the same thing. Like once you says

571
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: something that's funny and gets a laugh, Yeah, it just

572
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: imprints in your head. Yeah, and it's there.

573
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember I'm from the groundlings, Like I wasn't actings first,

574
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: and I went about it as my mom would say,

575
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: ass backwards, where I was honest InCom and then I

576
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: did my first special. I didn't do my first special

577
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: till I was thirty six, so I will be in

578
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: the CD till I was thirty six. So I'm a lady.

579
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: You look so fucking good too. It's insane.

580
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I're the improvisational nature and oh yeah,

581
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: there's some dish that don't I'm gonna try and please

582
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: we'll let me say. But like, I'm kind of bitter

583
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: because I've never been on that show with Jerry Seinfeld

584
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Comedians and cars. Yeah, because wait, Jerry doesn't think I'm

585
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: like a real comic because I improvise everything.

586
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: And no, but you don't. But Kathy, you don't, like

587
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: you're not you're not filming specials improvising. I bet you anything.

588
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: I can watch your specials. I know that maybe you

589
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: got to the jokes by improvising. But when you take

590
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: a special maybe one or two or three lines improvise

591
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: that night. Yeah, but you have memorized the material like

592
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: anyone else does. You're just not there with a notebook

593
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: writing out jokes long form. That doesn't that's interesting. I

594
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: do feel like that there is a there is a

595
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: difference between the way the comics that sit at the

596
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: laptop and memorize their jokes and write them out and

597
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: then recite them over and over. Look at comics like

598
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: us who have just kind of worked it out on stage.

599
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: But there's no difference. You're you have memorized to come

600
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: up with material just like they have.

601
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: There's also a room for everybody, And so I like

602
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: one of the I can't even imagine having feelings about

603
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a comic the way people like turned on me, Like

604
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: it's so shocking to me to this day that people

605
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: have these such strong feelings, because I think, if there's

606
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: a comic I don't particularly like, I just maybe don't

607
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: like them, but I want a mission to ruin that.

608
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: You know, and well, that's not the people that loved you, Kathy.

609
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: These are people who love somebody else. And he's despicable,

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: I know.

611
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: But sorry.

612
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: They they will stand behind him. It doesn't matter what

613
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: you did. If you said something bad against him, they're

614
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: gonna dislike you.

615
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: There's something that something resonates with me with what you're saying,

616
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Kathy is like and it pains me to hear it

617
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: from you, because you're just someone who I look at

618
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: as like so strong and just like the funniest person alive.

619
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: And to hear this, like, why are they still mad

620
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: at me? Why don't they they like me? People who

621
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: don't like you don't fucking get it. Like if someone

622
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: is not a fan of yours, I'm just like I don't.

623
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on your list of favorite comedians.

624
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to have anything to do with you.

625
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: Because if you get, if you understand good comedy, which

626
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: I so. I have bad self esteem in almost every

627
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: part of my life, but I I know what's funny

628
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: and who's the funniest. If you don't think Kathy Griffin

629
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: is funny, you're not smart, you're not good, You're not

630
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: you don't have a good barometer of stand up comedy.

631
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: And I don't respect your opinion. It's just the way

632
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: it is, but I do. I think it's so fair

633
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: to say. But here's the thing that is, don't care

634
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: about people, wonder about people like me and people like you, Kathy,

635
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: that that say things on stage that we know are

636
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: gonna are controversial, The same thing as your dad saying,

637
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: well this place it is like shit, what a ship box. Yes,

638
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: we say things like that and then they go, well,

639
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: then why do you get upset when people don't like you?

640
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: Clearly you're saying things that are going to alienate people.

641
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: I struggle with that again. I was talking to my

642
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: therapists with about it yesterday. I'm shooting a special December sixteenth,

643
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: and I'm struggling with with thank you. I'm struggling with,

644
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, making material that's going to make me super

645
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: likable and relatable and it's going to bring everyone in

646
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: and it's not going to alienate anyone. And then at

647
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: the same time I want to I know, but but

648
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: don't you struggle with those two as well? Like I

649
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: want everyone to like me, but also I want to

650
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: be myself and have my opinions and have my point

651
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: of view. How do you square those two?

652
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, you still have

653
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: to be the businesswoman who's selling tickets, and so what

654
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on is I kind of let

655
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: go of the notion of trying to broaden my fan

656
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: base because we've all become so siloed that I'm never like.

657
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: It does make me sad, but I'm never going to

658
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: get those Trumpers back. And there are certain regions. I mean, Nikki,

659
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: I used to play everywhere. I played every southern market

660
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you can imagine. I played the riverboat casinos, I played

661
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: the performing arts centers, and look, let's face it, some

662
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: of those markets they may never forgive me. I mean,

663
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: when you're talking deep deep, deep trunk country, you know.

664
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: What did you do? I don't really know what you did.

665
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I think I can't go there, see, although I am

666
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: going to Plexington, Kentucky, and I'm selling pretty well there,

667
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: which is shocking. Yeah, I can also try to be

668
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: the beacon of like for the gays and the ladies

669
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: and the peace. I'm like, just don't want They're just

670
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: not down with that, and that's what I would want.

671
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Like if I lived in Trump Country and I couldn't help,

672
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: but I had to live there, I would absolutely go

673
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: see a comic. Mean, the town that was just gonna

674
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: have an opposing view. And by the way, let me

675
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: just say believe it or not. In my new show,

676
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I actually don't mention Trump once, and it's not quite

677
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: scared or anything. He just kind of doesn't come up.

678
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: And I really are talking about all this PTSD stuff,

679
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: and I think it's relatable. But like you said, yes,

680
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm mindful of I think the PTSD stuff is funny.

681
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: But what I'm finding really rewarding is people relate to

682
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: it with everything we've been through with COVID, which, by

683
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: the way, not our most shining moment. We didn't exactly

684
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: deal well with COVID, lost our freaking minds, but we

685
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: haven't recovered and recovered. And you know, I had lung cancer,

686
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: so my voice is like a little bit more high pitched.

687
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: And so I talked about that, and I say to

688
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: the audience, clap if you've been affected in any way

689
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: by cancer, Well almost everyone claps, and I go clap.

690
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: If you've been affected, you know, in any way by

691
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: losing a friend, somebody in your Facebook group, a co worker,

692
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to maga or QAnon, almost everybody claps. So then I'm like, Okay,

693
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: I can talk about this stuff. You know, I don't know,

694
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: it's super super personal. I didn't think i'd ever be talking.

695
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think I could have PTSD.

696
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, tell me about that, because I've heard

697
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: you speak on it. But how did it show up

698
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: for you? And and and what did you think it

699
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: was at first? How did you get diagnosed? What's what

700
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: are your symptoms?

701
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: Well? I was okay. So after I got cancer, I

702
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: had my surgery and they took half of my left

703
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: lue out, and so I have.

704
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: One and a half long snikki, Oh my god, I

705
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: have What are you feeling from that? Is it just

706
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: is it hard to bring? Is that what affected your voice?

707
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Yes, so during the surgery, I was injured and my

708
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: level is permanently paralleled from the two. So what's weird

709
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: is that when I had cancer, I had no symptoms,

710
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: and now that I'm cancer free, I sound like I'm

711
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: sick and I, oh my god, and so and.

712
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: It's just an injury from the surgery. In thought, yes, right.

713
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: And so you know I have to say right up top,

714
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: like why my voice is more high pitched, and then

715
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I go into like making fun of the audience for

716
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: having two lungs and how I'm bitter de lunged community

717
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: and how I can see their ripe cage is expanding

718
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: and it makes me bitter. So yeah, you know it

719
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: is you tried to throwing anything and try to make it. Yeah.

720
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: And the PTSD for me was for about ten months.

721
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: This is the darkest period of my whole life. For

722
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: ten months after my cancer surgery, and I just wasn't

723
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: getting better. I could not stop vomiting. And let me

724
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: tell you, that lays you out, like you can't do anything.

725
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: You're dehydrated all the time. I was going to the

726
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: emergency room for IVY infusions constantly, and then I was

727
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: I had shrinks and my oncologists, every doctor said you

728
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: have PTSD, and I just wrote it off. I was like,

729
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm from Chicago, we don't get PTSD. I just thought

730
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: that that's.

731
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: It's for people who come back from war, Like that's

732
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: what you just assumed.

733
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Right, right, right. But I think honestly, the combination of

734
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: like the Trump scandal, all the threats against me the whole,

735
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: like people confronting me in the street, which happened a lot,

736
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: it still happened this day, showing up at the house

737
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Trump people and stuff, and not having really a place

738
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: to go, although I will say the FBI was very

739
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: helpful and I kind of credit them for saving my

740
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: life because they would come to my house when there

741
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: was what's called a credible threat sometimes, like they came

742
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: to my house multiple times to say, day, there's a

743
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: person who's very serious about attacking you. And I just

744
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: got used to it. In fact, I did a movie

745
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: which nobody distributed but I'm proud of it called Kathy

746
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: Griffin to Hell a Story, and it's a concert movie

747
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: with some documentary footage, and the day of filming the

748
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: comedy special part, the FBI unannounced came over and they

749
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: were like, there's a threat. You know, somebody's gonna try

750
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: to kill you. Do you have a show coming up?

751
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: And I said yes, tonight. You know, so that's just

752
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: a mind fuck. And then I think, you know, getting

753
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: cancer and then having it alter my voice. I felt

754
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: like I lost my voice as an artist during the

755
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Trump thing, and then I literally lost my voice. So

756
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: now I'm just trying to get out there and tell

757
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: people like I sound a little mini mouse, but I'm okay,

758
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm not in pain. And then I talk about all

759
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the craziest shit I do to just try to stay

760
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: normal like Kundalini yoga, which I don't even know what

761
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: that is, but I would. And I yelled, shit, and

762
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: I fucking have oils that I'm afraid of because I'm

763
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: afraid of the essential oil people because in the mid

764
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: scheme and I'm afraid of them. Don't tell them. I

765
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: said that, it's just all this stuff that I never thought. Oh,

766
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: it didn't get this. I became addicted to prescription pills

767
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: during the Trump myself, and then I even talk up.

768
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: With the pills. You tried to kill yourself with the pills.

769
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: I took like a hundred ben zones. You guys, the

770
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: worst part about trying to kill yourself is when you

771
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: fucking wake up.

772
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh, you can't even do that right.

773
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: My first words were, you are fucking kidding me?

774
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: Like those Remember did you write a note?

775
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Like?

776
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: Was what was ed to that moment? You wrote a note?

777
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: Because I was so messed up on pills. I'm so oh,

778
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm in. But I was so messed up on pills

779
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: that I was convinced my husband's life would be better.

780
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: Like I felt like I've had a good run. I've

781
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: accomplished a lot of cool shit, it's time for me

782
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: to go. But it's because my mind was so messed

783
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: up with the pills. So I even make fun of

784
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: AA and my act because nothing is more fun than

785
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: an AA meeting when was a drunk. Oh laugh, But

786
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: I fucking love it. Yes, for all of it, And

787
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: like I said, I hope it's relatable, and like you said, yes,

788
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: I want people to laugh, and I want to make

789
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: people laugh and I want to take them out of

790
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: whatever they're going through for a couple of hours. It's

791
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: like pretty simple.

792
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it's you're just trying. I mean, at

793
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: least I feel when the stuff I talk about, I'm

794
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: just trying to I'm not trying to offend anyone. Really,

795
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: that's it. And I think it gets misconstrued. Is that

796
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: so often? But I'm just I don't like things not

797
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: being talked about that are like open secrets. Yes, and

798
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: I think that the only way you know, it's an

799
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: AA term, But if it's mentionable, it's manageable. And so

800
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: when I have an entire bit about molestation or rape

801
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: or you know, I have tons of different things that

802
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 2: people will go you can't you can't touch that, don't

803
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: your suicide. Yeah, And people say you can't say that,

804
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: and I always go, well, you know, there's always an

805
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: excuse for like doing like you know a bit. You're like, well,

806
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: I can talk about this because my brother is this,

807
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can talk about suicide because I

808
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: am gonna do it someday, you know, I always I'm

809
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: a future victim of it. So I think I can.

810
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, you got to talk about

811
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: these things because they if we if we don't talk

812
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: about them, then the people then people keep struggling with

813
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: them alone, and it might make some people feel awkward

814
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: and what the hell are we doing? I just I'm

815
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: not interested in talking about things that are not I

816
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: want to talk about things that are on the surface

817
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: that everyone I want to talk about porn. It's so

818
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: weird porn. No one talks about porn yet everyone's kind

819
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: of you're not everyone, but many people are watching it,

820
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: and it's it gets you know, they have more view

821
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: you views on YouTube. Then David went after dentists like, yeah,

822
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: it's everyone's watching it, but no one's talking about these

823
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: are the things that interest me, and and I think

824
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: it sometimes just gets seen the wrong way of like, oh,

825
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: you love saying the thing that's gonna upset everyone. It's like,

826
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: that's the last thing I want is the one to

827
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: be upset. I just think it's interesting to talk about

828
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: things that no one else is. And I gotta just

829
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: credit you for your bravery of I have like a

830
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: bit I'm working on about a celebrity that I'm just like, man,

831
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: if this person's like camp comes after me, like I

832
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: I could lose. You know, people don't notice about the business,

833
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: but the.

834
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Fan armies, oh my god, the fan armies.

835
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: Fan armies. But also like they're publicists. Their publicists can say, well,

836
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: you know what she said this about her on a show,

837
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: so we're never gonna do Jimmy Kimmel if you let

838
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: that girl do Jimmy Kimmel because of what she said.

839
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: So they can start kind of blacklisting you from things

840
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: if they're famous enough. But also their fan armies. What

841
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: do you hold back ever with the celebrity stuff? Has it?

842
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a bit that you did say

843
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: that you go, oh, man, I really regret doing that.

844
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Have you you know? I'm sure but you get asked

845
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: this all the time. But the run ins you have

846
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: the book I have the book on my shelf, The

847
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: A to Z Celebrity Encounters, which is incredible and has

848
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: informed so much of how I look at certain celebrities. Now, Oh,

849
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: I think so much.

850
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: Book aren't even talking to me now, Like I look

851
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: at that book and I'm like, I wrote a freaking

852
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: love letter for this person. They should send me some

853
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: goddam flowers. But now I love celebrity runnings because look,

854
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: we all see celebrities, and we're all interested in people

855
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: that are in the forefront, whether it's a political figure

856
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: or a Kardashian. And I love lifting that veil because

857
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the veil is there. And now you've got celebrities that

858
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: are like influencers, and that's a whole other game. And

859
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I get such a kick out of running into these

860
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: people because there's like the legit people of talent that

861
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated by, and they are the people that

862
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: are famous for being famous. But yes, you know, I've

863
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: been blacklisted by everybody. I've had everybody pissed off of me.

864
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I've been confronted by everybody, and I just have to

865
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: laugh because like I have, like Demi Lovado's fans come

866
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: after me. Those are some pissed off cutters. And I

867
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: was tweeting one night and I had done like a

868
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: double in Seattle, and it was just, you know, you

869
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: can't sleep. So I was like, okay, I go on

870
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Twitter and this is like before Twitter was X and

871
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'll take questions. And somebody wrote, Who's

872
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: like the biggest douchebag celebrity.

873
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: You've ever met?

874
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: And I wrote Debbie Levada because the tree But Debbie,

875
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: I go to bed.

876
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: It's so much better than writing down.

877
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: My phone is like blown up. And you know what

878
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: my feeling if you look at your phone and there's

879
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: way too many texts?

880
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, way, oh and you know someone's died or you

881
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: get that feeling that's right, You're like, who died?

882
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: Okay? So the I call them the Debbie Army. The

883
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Debbie Army was livid. And then Debbie herself hosted a

884
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: picture that she took what that I didn't know she

885
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: took rhyme in the background and it was at I

886
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: Hurt Radio and I was introducing somebody and then I

887
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: went to watch Rihanna and Demi Levado took a picture

888
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: of like herself going like like but with me in

889
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the back rolly pointing to me like, eh so when

890
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: she then the army way it was on, say it

891
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: was kill time and I'm sitting there like, I mean,

892
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: my fifties kids. I don't know. I don't, we don't.

893
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have a fanner. I liked Carly Simon. I

894
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: don't even know what you're talking.

895
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, As a SWIFTYE I understand the iron

896
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: that can come out of those kinds of communities and

897
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't take part in and that kind of uh

898
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: that that part of the fan base. But you're walking

899
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: a minefield now, and it's only increased with social media.

900
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: So when you first started talking about you know, Barbi

901
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: Straisan with the did you know that bitch pint in

902
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: my wife?

903
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: What? Yeah?

904
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: That story and stuff like, there wasn't these like social

905
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: media like storms that could start happening and turn everyone

906
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: against you. I want to go to break, but then

907
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: I want to come back, and I want to hear

908
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: your justification for that answer of Debbie Levado. I want

909
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: to get back. Okay, we're back with Kathy Griffin. Okay, why,

910
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: when asked about the most unpleasant encounter you had with

911
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: a celebrity, did you say, Debbie Levado.

912
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: All right, I just get a kick out of Debbie,

913
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: because first of all, she was livid that I called

914
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: her Debbie and said, and I just think that's funny.

915
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I've been called Kathy Lee Griffin. I've been called Kathy Griffiths.

916
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I've been called my career. I don't give it. That

917
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: is not my problem in life. But she just seems

918
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: to lack a sense of humor about herself. And that

919
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: is my favorite kind of celebrity. I'm sorry for most

920
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: of them, right, So I don't make fun of like

921
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: somebody who's a really funny on a sitcom or somebody

922
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: who's like a SNL because they're a funny person. But

923
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: I really get a kick out of, especially young celebrities

924
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: that are wildly famous, incredibly rich, beyond privileged, beautiful, lauded,

925
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: and yet every time I would run into Debbie, she

926
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: just was like a sour puss. Oh after this whole

927
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: thing happened, we were both at the tonight show. I

928
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: was the first guest. She was the singer, right.

929
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: Whoa after this happened, Yes, Oh my god, what did

930
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: you think when you realized she was gonna be the

931
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: did you try to get rebooked. I would be so scared.

932
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: I was terrified of her army. And so I saw

933
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: her in the hall and I said, right her in

934
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: the hall, he buy me. And I was like, okay.

935
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: So if you remember on the tonight show, Jay Leno

936
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: would walk you over and you would watch the band

937
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Yes standing feet away from her kind of dancing a little.

938
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: And she had a new hit single. I don't remember

939
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: what it was like, yeah, the summer or whatever. And

940
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: so afterwards Jay says, let's walk over. He doesn't know

941
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: anything about me and Debbie. So I walk over. They

942
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: just heard her and I said, congratulations on your new signal,

943
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: and she just gave me like the stink eye, and

944
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I just I was like Debbie military in.

945
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: My hacked, like like just giving me.

946
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: Yes. Had to do was giggle or say hey, that

947
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: whole thing was silly, or hey, we're both professionals, but

948
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't help. But I still get a kick out

949
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: of the youngs. And often it's the youngs that are

950
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: living in the dream, but they're.

951
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Feeling yes, yes, the lack of sense of humor about

952
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 2: themselves that's and that's what I that's who I feel.

953
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of going after j Lo in my next set,

954
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: just for just some hypocrisy I see happening, which I see,

955
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, you see it everywhere with every celebrity. But

956
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, my goal is I, if I

957
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: get as send in fame, is to dispel all the

958
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: bullshit that I grew up like worshiping celebrities about Like

959
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: I think that's the new job of the celebrity, is

960
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: to like stop. Of course we're on a pedestal for

961
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: our talent, sure, put us up there, but all the

962
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: other bullshit, the beauty, the lighting, the everything that makes

963
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: us look so unattainable and makes you at home feel

964
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: like shit, Like, yeah, I'm tired of it, and I

965
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: want more. I just want more transparency from celebrities. I

966
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: guess I'm I don't. But you know, my boyfriend who's

967
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: producing my special is kind of like, are you ready

968
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: to like go after her so hard? And I'm like,

969
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'll do is I'll amp up how

970
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: I actually feel, which is she's so stunning. I'll just

971
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: compliment the fuck out of her in a very genuine way.

972
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: But I have to actually say the truth of how

973
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: I feel, too, Like I can't I gotta balance it

974
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: out somehow. Like that's how I'm feeling like I because

975
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, people could go after me about things and

976
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: I'd feel like sad if someone spend a lot of

977
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: time in their comedy special like taking something down that

978
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: I was kind of shitty about, and you know, and

979
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm willing to forgive her too or like you know,

980
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: but I also makes the difference if it's true.

981
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. Yeah, she's rough, man,

982
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: She's fucking rough trade.

983
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: I've heard of some stories.

984
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I've done everything from I hosted the Billboard Awards one

985
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: year when she was singing and I'm saying that in

986
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: your quotes and I saw her like one time I

987
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: got to go to a Kardashian Christmas party, which that

988
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: alone was a dream. And of course they have like

989
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: a photo booth with like perfect lighting and everybody looks

990
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: twelve years old. And so he was with a Rod

991
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: at the time, and so I go, Jaylo, take come on,

992
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: let's take one picture together where you're like giving me

993
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: the stink guy because I've given you shit on stage.

994
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: And I go, see if a Rod will do it

995
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: with me, and she goes, it's Alex. His name Alex.

996
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was.

997
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Like, I came up to her and I said, give

998
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: me the stink guy in the picture, like I'm handing

999
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: it to her on a silver platter to go, I'm

1000
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: willing to be the jester and you're beautiful, successful gazillionaire

1001
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: j Lo and I'm actually saying give it to me,

1002
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: like I yes, that's a funny picture for both all

1003
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: of us, right, But all she kept saying was it's Alex.

1004
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: Because I photoed bo the picture of them to Core

1005
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: and she legit was pissed.

1006
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure, but I'm just like, what what in

1007
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: two seconds.

1008
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Later they got But I just I couldn't figure out

1009
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: why she was such like a malcontent. But I am

1010
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: fascinated by that.

1011
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: Just that's the fascination. Why are you such a bitch?

1012
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: Like why are these people so why do they treat

1013
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: people horribly? Like I guess I'll go more your freaking way,

1014
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: I know, And yet you're because I guess it just

1015
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: seems to happen with with fame with people. And I

1016
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: know you've you've encountered this countless times, more way more

1017
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: than I have. Of just people who are the most famous,

1018
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: had the most gifted, uh, just genetics and then you know,

1019
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: just just landed to them on silver platter their whole life.

1020
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: And yet they're they're so mean people. You know, you

1021
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: hear stories about people working with them on set and

1022
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: how they're just a nightmare to work with, and it's like,

1023
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: why and how is this person still working when there's

1024
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: such a count like you get canceled for a picture.

1025
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: But then a person who treats everyone and doesn't let

1026
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: them look at them on set is mean to everyone,

1027
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: holds up production four hours because you know, their their

1028
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: tea was cold or whatever, oh their eyelash extensions weren't

1029
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: the right ones or whatever, and holds up a million

1030
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: dollar production. They get to keep working.

1031
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Why why why can't they just figure out that all

1032
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: they have to do is laugh at themselves, That's all

1033
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: they have to do. Like why Brookshields. I was going

1034
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: to show with her for four years and I always

1035
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: say she changed my life because I went from not

1036
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: working to being on an NBC sitcom back in the

1037
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: day when it was like musty TV. So she doesn't

1038
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: care for me because I put a story about her

1039
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: in one of my specials, even though she came to

1040
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: see me Lie one time and I told the story

1041
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, that was really funny. Don't

1042
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: forget to put this part in what wait? Wait?

1043
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: Story was it?

1044
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: It was about her wedding?

1045
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, Okay, yeah, mom who was.

1046
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: A famous alcoholic. But I wan great with her mom

1047
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: because I I, you know, how to be around. Can

1048
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: I talk to a drawn like milk? I can see

1049
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: the fun part in her mom was. You know, I'm

1050
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: not saying she was the best mom, but she was

1051
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: smart and clever and clever. And so it makes me

1052
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: sad because I have such warm feelings for Brookshields and

1053
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: we worked together every day for four years and she's

1054
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: Brooks Shields, like the books, beautiful, celebrated, she did comedy,

1055
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: she did drama, she did Broadway, and we were like close,

1056
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: and I just go, that's her choice.

1057
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, how did you apologize? I mean, was there

1058
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: an interaction between you two where you said.

1059
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: She kind of she kind of like, okay, the story,

1060
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: But what pissed her off is broke is Howard Stern

1061
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: mentioned it one time when I was on Howard and

1062
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: she has an shoe with Howard. Even though I kept saying,

1063
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: brook if you go on Howard Stern one time. Oh

1064
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: my god, she will your ass. He will fuck love

1065
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: with you and then you'll become a regular. Yeah. So

1066
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: but I think she maybe has that like pretty girl

1067
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: thing where she kind of just didn't want to get there. Yeah,

1068
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.

1069
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: I that's a bummer. I know you seemed like a

1070
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: really good friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I it makes me sad when people

1072
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: don't take the joke but also carry it on for

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00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: like years and years.

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00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, final thought. I mean, there are some people

1075
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: we can talk about the people that have been unpleasant,

1076
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: but some people have been extremely kind to you, even

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00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: throughout your cancelation. Yeah. And I heard you mentioned Kimmel

1078
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: never blacklisted you seth Meyers Stern.

1079
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: Howard, Yeah, I mean Jammie Kimmel had me on because

1080
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: my voice is to be even more high pitched. I

1081
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: had like five surgeries on it. God, I went on

1082
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: there when.

1083
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: I was literally talking like this.

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00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he had me on and he when

1085
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: I got kicked off Twitter personally but by Elon Musk

1086
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: because Eloni, Oh yeah, that's right, because I what I

1087
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: did was I changed my username's hilarious you did and

1088
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: the night before the midterms, I was tweeting, you know,

1089
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: I've talked to the mothers of my children and I

1090
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: am now pro choice both no matter who ash heighten

1091
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: hers and so people thought it was really Elon and

1092
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: he got mad and he had a fit and he

1093
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: kicked me off, and then Jimmy called and he said,

1094
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: we wrote a sketch where you're playing Elon Musk and amazing.

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00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, when does it get the joke? I'm so

1096
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: freaking grateful, Like you have no idea. It just means

1097
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the world when people just roll was it?

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00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: And the can I ask you going back to your

1099
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: voice thing? So you come out of you came out

1100
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: of lung cancer surgery, Yeah, just thinking, okay, I just

1101
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: went through all of that and then you talk for

1102
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: the first time and you just go, what the fuck?

1103
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: Like was that they didn't intend to damage your vocal cord.

1104
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: That was a thing that happened right.

1105
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: In fact, the guy the surgeon was like, well, I

1106
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: know what you do for a living, and we need

1107
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: you to be out there doing your comedy and we'll

1108
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: be careful. And it just happened and it's permanent. And

1109
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: so I've had to live with that and I just

1110
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: asked the audience to kind of go with it. But

1111
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: I can't really do impressions the same. And you know,

1112
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: it's weird because as a comic, so much of what

1113
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: we do you have to really project. Like I don't

1114
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: want to say I'm a yelling comic, but I'm yelling

1115
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: and cursing is my love language. It's you. I'm telling

1116
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: you what you did wrong is how I love you.

1117
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: And so I did my first double evoke because I

1118
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: was afraid my voice couldn't do it.

1119
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say Jesus.

1120
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: Double on a gay cruise? NICKI, NICKI, have you done

1121
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: a gay cruise yet? No?

1122
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: And I'm honestly, I'm trying to pivot to like what

1123
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: get more gay gay? Like, I'm trying to just well

1124
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: pivot to gay audiences, like I want, I want your audience.

1125
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: So this is a bucket list. You have not lived

1126
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: until you've done a gay cruise. Let those boys are serious, Julie.

1127
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: I know you think you've done partying in your lifetime.

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00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't drink, Kathy, Like, I don't know

1129
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: if I can keep up with the drinking and the

1130
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 2: part the like, how do you keep up with it

1131
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: all on those because you can't escape. It's everywhere.

1132
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: No I know, but it's a comic. I get to

1133
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: observe and it's Nober and watch these boys and like

1134
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: they have parties and they're all theme parties, like one

1135
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: is called guns and Hoses and it's for a policemen

1136
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: and firefighters, even though nobody really is a copper firefighter.

1137
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: But they.

1138
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Breaking bad theme parties because they love Walter White and

1139
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Jesse Pingman because come to ends gaze and enjoy meth

1140
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 1: and I know that's shockache and they just lose their

1141
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: minds for like seven days. And I usually am on

1142
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: the cruise for like two days, but I want to

1143
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: do a double. So at least I was like, all right,

1144
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: and now I have to use the like Madonna had said,

1145
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: my great, but I love it.

1146
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: It's that's so you, though, man, because you should have

1147
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: been using those for years. You're so physical and like

1148
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: I want to see you walk around like I love

1149
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: you with a mic and I love your mic work, honestly,

1150
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: Like I've kind of I've definitely even watching myself. Sometimes

1151
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you've definitely learned some things from Kathy,

1152
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: But that seems to be like that would have freed

1153
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: you up. That's that's a nice little thing that happened

1154
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 2: out of this voice thing. No, I love it.

1155
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: I love it. And the first time I had it

1156
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: was at the Marage, because you know, casinos they're almost

1157
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: like TV studios. They have everything. Yeah, I'm gonna buy

1158
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: one now and take it down to town. Yes, I

1159
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: don't expect these theaters to like have it. But I

1160
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: don't even remember the name of it. But it's really helpful.

1161
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, for the first time, I have the freedom

1162
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: of my hands, and I love that. I'm pretty physical,

1163
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: Like I make fun of all the exercises I do

1164
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: for PTSD and get down on all fours and do

1165
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: this thing. Do you know what this is? Cat cow?

1166
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: No, Brian, you know about it?

1167
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: What kind of is archer back? You're you're on all

1168
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 5: fours like a dog arch, you're back yew and then.

1169
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: When you go and when you tip your head up,

1170
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: you move like a cow. Now, Julie, I don't know

1171
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: what the hell this does to make me feel better.

1172
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Stop wabbiting and curious time of my freaking wife. So

1173
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: if I have to meow and moo, I'll do I'll

1174
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. I'll get spade, I'll take and

1175
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I so I get to get down on all fours

1176
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: and do my meal.

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Speaker 2: MoU well, your voice really does. It's improved so much.

1178
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: I had vocal cord surgery a year ago because I

1179
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: had nodules. And I don't know. Did you go to doctors?

1180
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: I tells no, I usually know to doctor Sugarman.

1181
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: Okay, And I know I think we've worked with Do

1182
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: you work with Amy Chapman on.

1183
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: Vote is fantastic?

1184
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: She worked with me on the Masked Singer and she

1185
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: she told me that she loves you so much, and

1186
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: I was so excited to have the same voice teachers.

1187
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't. She like literally massages.

1188
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh it's the best. She does a larynx massage. That's

1189
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: so good. But yeah, you sound amazing, Kathy, I think, and.

1190
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of so conscious about it.

1191
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: It's no, it's it really it's it doesn't sound like

1192
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: you're in pain. As long as you established that up

1193
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: front for people that might worry about it. Yeah, there,

1194
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: there's it. Honestly, it's it's it's not. It's not it's

1195
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: not noticeable. Really, forget about it. It's at first you go, oh,

1196
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: she sounds different, but it's no, it's nothing to be

1197
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: self conscious about it. I hope you I hope you

1198
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: accept that, all right. Yeah.

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 5: If you hadn't mentioned it, I.

1200
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: Would not have Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1201
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see you on tour though. I'm

1202
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: really gonna make an effort to drive across Missouri. I'm

1203
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: in Saint Louis to come see you in Kansas City.

1204
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see you. I can't wait for

1205
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: this tour. Everyone has to go and buy tickets to this.

1206
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: Kathy is just one of the most original, most inspirational,

1207
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: most funniest people ever. Her live shows are insane. They're

1208
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: sometimes three hours long. It's an experience, man. So you

1209
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: got to go see her on My Life on the

1210
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: PTSD tour and you can get those tickets at Kathy

1211
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: Griffin dot com and they're available right now. Go check

1212
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: all the tour dates. There's forty of them. Read her books,

1213
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: watch her specials, she has twenty of them. Immerse yourself

1214
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: in all Things Kathy if you haven't already. She's one

1215
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: of my favorites and always will be. I'm so honored

1216
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: that you did the podcast. Thank you so much. Kathy.

1217
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: I just love you so much. You call me anytime,

1218
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: you know where to find me.

1219
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kathy. That means the world.

1220
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Julie, I love you, I miss you.

1221
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh God, I love you too, Kathy. All right, maybe

1222
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: I'll come with Nikki.

1223
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: You got where you gotta.

1224
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: Go, You're sure. Thank you, Julie, you just get all right,

1225
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: all right, all right.

1226
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: I love it.

1227
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: You have a special relationship. I love you. I appreciate it.

1228
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: Bye, Kathy, thank you so much.

1229
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: Bye.