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Speaker 1: in My City from the.
Speaker 2: Chris Westling podcast Studio. It's Around the NFL. I am
Speaker 2: Dan Hansens and I'm joined by my long friend and
Speaker 2: hero Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: What's up? Mark? Oh? Wait, here comes somebody else.
Speaker 3: Just in the next time arrives Kawnie Foxy.
Speaker 4: I've been here the whole time.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Oh?
Speaker 5: You know, like that is my motto just in time?
Speaker 5: Like I feel like maybe that is the tattoo I
Speaker 5: get laptop free today.
Speaker 4: No, that's just a total on the second.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Colleen you should know that. I know you
Speaker 6: have a lot of stress about being late to things.
Speaker 6: I said to the production team, let's start as quickly
Speaker 6: as possible, so she has to come to the show
Speaker 6: in the middle of it.
Speaker 5: I usually give myself a danzas right, so that's fair.
Speaker 1: I'm like, big mistake.
Speaker 4: Today, it's like eleven o three. It'll be fine.
Speaker 5: Should I text them that I saw you guys through
Speaker 5: the glass, because yes, we are in a fish bowl
Speaker 5: and I thought you guys were just like chilling.
Speaker 4: I would have really sprinted had I known.
Speaker 3: Right, No, we were working very hard. We were not
Speaker 3: chilling on any level.
Speaker 6: As soon as we saw you because we're trying to
Speaker 6: get things going. Then it was emergency mode to Eric
Speaker 6: behind the glass. Started, started, started, but it didn't quite
Speaker 6: mark at the effect because I don't see the pure panic.
Speaker 6: But you know what, maybe it's the June twenty seventh
Speaker 6: summer of Connie.
Speaker 1: It is. She can't be flum mixed.
Speaker 4: I think full right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, our our goal was to look like we
Speaker 3: had gotten a solid or get a solid ten or
Speaker 3: twelve minutes in where you know, we're into our third
Speaker 3: story in the news run down, and then I think
Speaker 3: that would set off some colleen based panic.
Speaker 4: But you know I was panicking a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you rushed by us, by the way. It was
Speaker 3: like a sprint across the window.
Speaker 6: Here just in time, baby, All right, how is everybody so?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Days off?
Speaker 6: Nice week, and I'm back from Texas. We're here in
Speaker 6: as I said at the top of Chris Wesley podcast studio,
Speaker 6: Greg in mother Japan.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it is his mother.
Speaker 1: Taking the week off Japan.
Speaker 4: Is his mom his.
Speaker 1: Mother in law?
Speaker 3: Well there's that too, but I'm saying the actual geographical
Speaker 3: place could be Greg's homeland in a way based on
Speaker 3: the family that he is united with.
Speaker 4: Sure, guys, when are we going to Japan and doing
Speaker 4: sh GC?
Speaker 1: We are going to go do a show in Japan
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm in no budgetary concerns for that. By the way,
Speaker 3: my voice is a disaster today and this is an
Speaker 3: audio show, so that's a problem.
Speaker 6: Well, I do you know, you do a little do
Speaker 6: a little true crime level deduction, you know, a little red
Speaker 6: string on the board.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 6: And we had a few days off and Mark's out
Speaker 6: in the wilderness, comes back like a guy who has
Speaker 6: been out and enjoying his life for a few days.
Speaker 3: It's really hot in here, guys.
Speaker 5: I've been doing a tarantinothon too, which I feel like
Speaker 5: you guys would be super into. Really, I've watched I've
Speaker 5: made it through the first six. Now, I had never
Speaker 5: seen Death Proof before. That was the last one I watched.
Speaker 1: Not my favorite of his, but it's not his favorite either.
Speaker 5: But also even his bad movies are good. Like it
Speaker 5: was campy and trashy, but like that's the whole point
Speaker 5: of it. And Kurt Russell was incredible.
Speaker 3: Is he is excellent, that you have to compile a
Speaker 3: list and like he's gonna have his seventh or eighth
Speaker 3: that I like best from him. But it's still like
Speaker 3: twenty five times better than ninety six percent of what
Speaker 3: is released in cinema right now.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure how much we could say, Mark, because
Speaker 6: there's you know, we'd be kicking around some things for
Speaker 6: a while on this topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was alerted of it yesterday in the middle of
Speaker 5: my Tarantino thon.
Speaker 1: So that there was an active text change with a
Speaker 1: certain husband.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I had been simultaneously texting with SHK about
Speaker 5: Tarantino at the same time, were texting, well, we have
Speaker 5: some waring texting change in.
Speaker 6: The works, the works worring texting change. That's one way
Speaker 6: to spend it.
Speaker 4: Or we can all work together.
Speaker 6: On this program around the NFL as we rapidly approach
Speaker 6: our eleventh season together.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's a quiet time.
Speaker 6: I think, Mark, this has to be I think the
Speaker 6: one year anniversary, if not exactly to the week of
Speaker 6: caveon Thibodeau coming into an otherwise empty building here in
Speaker 6: Englewood and just burning the place down with his apathy
Speaker 6: for us. I miss that I want to bring that
Speaker 6: energy back one day. But there is a vibe. Considering
Speaker 6: this is the headquarters of NFL on the West Coast
Speaker 6: and NFL Network and NFL Media, it does feel like
Speaker 6: a little bit of summer school. Like you know, we
Speaker 6: came in today and it's pretty quiet around here.
Speaker 3: Very quiet. The hallways are sparse and empty, which I
Speaker 3: that suggests people are out and about having fun in
Speaker 3: other parts of the country. But it is a massively
Speaker 3: hulking corporate complex and there's about fourteen people here working
Speaker 3: hard though big man, some of us.
Speaker 6: Isn't it interesting though? Despite how quiet it is outside
Speaker 6: this studio. What a big show we have today because
Speaker 6: always one of my favorite things to write on the
Speaker 6: website and then talk about it with my buddies here
Speaker 6: the Superstar Club twenty twenty three, and Colleen had to
Speaker 6: get Connie on the show to hear her thoughts on
Speaker 6: the Superstar Club.
Speaker 1: Greg likes this one.
Speaker 6: He likes to talk about certain there's a certain figure
Speaker 6: that's gonna be in the conversation and I kind of
Speaker 6: wish I had Greg's input or pushback on but I'll
Speaker 6: have to alert him next week. A lot of players,
Speaker 6: big time stars or high profile players, but are they
Speaker 6: actual superstars? Who are the true superstars? What even is
Speaker 6: a superstar? We're gonna get it into all that. That's juicy.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to get in the weeds on it.
Speaker 1: But first a little bit of news. Tish go with
Speaker 1: three tight ends, Hannah shotgun. They roll up to the
Speaker 1: right side. Mahomes pump faking now far as it late
Speaker 1: for the ends of talk.
Speaker 7: Touchdown Jansas City, Travis Kelsey from Patrick Mahomes and the
Speaker 7: Chiefs league twelve to three, and now Mahomes to Kelsey
Speaker 7: in the postseason for the thirteenth time.
Speaker 8: Thirteen times and that was a huge score, huge score
Speaker 8: in the AFC Championship game in January, the Chiefs taking
Speaker 8: out the defending conference champion at the time, Bengals.
Speaker 6: And you know what, let's just have fun with it.
Speaker 6: We could, we could do the thing. We're like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, it's such a slow time year. And while
Speaker 6: you've been talking with let's just have fun. I talk
Speaker 6: about football players doing podcasts and talking trash to each other.
Speaker 1: So here we are.
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase was asked about a statement made by his
Speaker 6: own teammate, the Patrick Mahomes the reigning Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 6: League MVP, is the best quarterback in the league. Jamar
Speaker 6: Chase says perhaps ingestat oh didn't sit well with Travis
Speaker 6: Kelce on his New Heights podcast with his brother Jason.
Speaker 1: Let's listen it. I thought it was a little bold.
Speaker 9: You know, so the guy's a two time League MVP,
Speaker 9: two time Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to say, Pat, who is like dispect it is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 9: Dog who doesn't love some good locker room banter man
Speaker 9: shout out to Jamar Chase for you know, holding it
Speaker 9: down for his QB. But don't you ever dispect Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 9: Now if you want to talk, yo, talkyo, just back
Speaker 9: it up.
Speaker 1: I think we have a new drop so good. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I yes. I I set this up by saying we're
Speaker 1: not gonna talk this down, so we're gonna take it
Speaker 1: very seriously. Mark Sessler, whoa this rivalry has now got
Speaker 1: real heated. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's like, if you're gonna take
Speaker 3: aim at literally any athlete on the planet right now,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes feels like a weird target where you're not
Speaker 3: gonna win that argument with literally anyone, especially his star
Speaker 3: tight end slash teammate.
Speaker 4: I liked Mahomes's tweet that's who with the two rings?
Speaker 1: I mean, very good. Yeah, that's the way to do it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: Speaking of rings, can we just the chiefs two weeks
Speaker 6: ago had their ceremony. The teams always have the ceremony.
Speaker 6: The rings got six hundred and thirteen diamonds. I mean,
Speaker 6: what what what are we gonna do in like twenty years?
Speaker 6: Is it just gonna cover up the entire right side
Speaker 6: of someone's Torso these rings, there's gotta be yeah, limit.
Speaker 4: What are the taxes on that too?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Aren't they paying taxes on this?
Speaker 1: You always wear?
Speaker 3: There's like two decades from now where they encounter some
Speaker 3: sort of personal trouble and sell the super Bowl ring?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: That's becoming a more and more attractive concept.
Speaker 6: But like, at what point are these rings not even
Speaker 6: able to be taken out in public?
Speaker 1: You can't drive a p or know, to the market
Speaker 1: with a ring of that size.
Speaker 3: If someone's gonna cut your finger off and run away
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: You can knock somebody out more drip. You're okay with
Speaker 1: the conye as we're just saying. Yeah.
Speaker 6: In other news, the bills they want to get back
Speaker 6: to the AFC Title Game or get to the AFC
Speaker 6: Title game.
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird they this run they've been on.
Speaker 6: They haven't even got to the AFC Title Game yet
Speaker 6: everyone's saying they need to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Gotta get to the AFC Title Game first. They haven't
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 6: But ownership is very happy with the setup there because
Speaker 6: it was announced this week that Sean McDermott and Brandon
Speaker 6: Bean were both extended their contracts through twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty three will be the pair of seventh season together,
Speaker 6: three AFC to be East Division titles, four straight playoff appearances,
Speaker 6: Number one Connie on my urgency meter.
Speaker 1: And perhaps perhaps the Bills.
Speaker 6: Read that and they said, man, we got to turn
Speaker 6: down the media a little bit, and let's extend these
Speaker 6: guys for no reason whatsoever. They were under contract for
Speaker 6: like three more years, just to make them feel like it's.
Speaker 1: Not all or nothing this year, but it really is.
Speaker 3: Wait, your NFL dot com article perhaps triggered this transaction,
Speaker 3: I would remove.
Speaker 5: Perhaps yeah, they read it and it put the whole
Speaker 5: thing over the finish line. So now McBean is not
Speaker 5: going anywhere. That is apparently what their nickname is. I
Speaker 5: gotta try and work it in this year. I'm going
Speaker 5: to see how it goes. But yeah, I mean they
Speaker 5: obviously have done a great job and they just haven't
Speaker 5: gotten to the promised land yet.
Speaker 6: I mean, if we could work in that the new
Speaker 6: general manager of the Denver Broncos or the current general
Speaker 6: managers is a man named Kevin Saunders to alleviate any
Speaker 6: confusion with the head coach, certainly we could use the
Speaker 6: nickname such as McBean McBean on this show.
Speaker 3: It feels like McBean should have been a thing like
Speaker 3: half a decade ago.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was.
Speaker 6: Maybe McBean a cool thing? Is am I missing the
Speaker 6: pop culture reference?
Speaker 4: No, it's just McDermott and.
Speaker 1: Brandon Donald's item on the menu. What makes it the
Speaker 1: thing that's like, Oh, that's cool? I think it just fits.
Speaker 1: It fits.
Speaker 3: It describes the pairing of the two very very well
Speaker 3: in Western New York.
Speaker 1: I was on the Ross Tucker podcast this morning.
Speaker 4: Is that a humble brag?
Speaker 1: And yes, what did.
Speaker 3: You talk about?
Speaker 1: Very nice men?
Speaker 6: Many things, including including the urgency scale, And he was
Speaker 6: actually saying he was a little indignant about the old
Speaker 6: extension for McDermott, especially, he said he should be on
Speaker 6: the hot seat if they don't go all the way
Speaker 6: this year or at least take a step forward as
Speaker 6: an organization. I had never heard anyone posit such a
Speaker 6: thought about McDermott, which who I feel like is certainly
Speaker 6: if I had a point to one issue that I
Speaker 6: would have with the team entering twenty twenty three, a
Speaker 6: question mark'd be like, well, Brian Dable leaving and how
Speaker 6: the play calling changed, and how some of the efficiency changed,
Speaker 6: I would I would think offensive play caller is in
Speaker 6: more danger than shown wick.
Speaker 3: But you know, I do wonder though, like the timing
Speaker 3: of this, because you know, outside of the staunch proof
Speaker 3: that we have that your article triggered this, that this
Speaker 3: had been in the works for a while, and we're
Speaker 3: a week removed from a fair amount of drama involving
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs and like not being happy with Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: not being happy with play calling the whole way the
Speaker 3: offensive scheme was built, and then bang, it's like everything's normal,
Speaker 3: everything's fine. They always these It's interesting when they announced
Speaker 3: these contract extensions, they seem sometimes to solve some sort
Speaker 3: of psychological warfare within the building.
Speaker 1: True. True, You've said it all Mark, as usual, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving moving on. In Blotder News.
Speaker 6: We touched on this briefly in our episode last week
Speaker 6: going over the best skill players teams with the best
Speaker 6: skill players in the league, and the Dolphins were high
Speaker 6: on that exercise in large part because of Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 6: their wide receiver and a legendary playmaker. He is likely
Speaker 6: to face criminal chargers after an incident on Father's Day
Speaker 6: at Miami Beach Marina. The victim of an alleged assault
Speaker 6: intending to take legal action against Hill.
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine years old.
Speaker 6: He's been accused of slapping a fifty seven year old
Speaker 6: man during an argument at Hallover Marina in Miami. This
Speaker 6: is the same Tyreek Hill, obviously, who has a passed
Speaker 6: with the NFL's Personal Conduct policy and assault and domestic violence.
Speaker 6: So it is absolutely now something that could affect the Dolphins,
Speaker 6: and they're arguably their most important player on the offense.
Speaker 6: And just to tag that with a wide star wide
Speaker 6: receiver that will not be facing charges. DeVante Adams, the
Speaker 6: Raiders wide receiver. Remember that game where he shoved the
Speaker 6: media worker in Kansas City after an October game and
Speaker 6: the A spokesperson for the Kansas City Municipal Court told
Speaker 6: The Kansas City Star on Friday that a prosecutor had
Speaker 6: dismissed the misdemeanor charge June fifth and that the case
Speaker 6: was closed. So that's done. Devanta Adams doesn't have to
Speaker 6: worry about that, But the Dolphins and Tyree killed Connie
Speaker 6: do have something to worry about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that Tyreek is twenty nine and this guy
Speaker 5: is fifty seven makes it a lot worse too, I think.
Speaker 5: So it's just like these things I feel like keep
Speaker 5: popping up with Tyreek and it's such a shame because
Speaker 5: he's a great talent and he would really help the Dolphins,
Speaker 5: but this stuff can't keep happening.
Speaker 6: Great player does not seem like a great guy.
Speaker 1: Finally, in the news, Carson Wentz went bear hunting. Did
Speaker 1: you hear about this one coming?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 5: I saw him.
Speaker 6: He went bear hunting. He's an avid outdoorsman. Posted a
Speaker 6: photo after he bagged the big old bear and getting
Speaker 6: a lot of pushback. Carson Wentz the underemployed former first
Speaker 6: round pick Mark and I just want to check in
Speaker 6: on Carson Wentz. This is what he's doing right now,
Speaker 6: shooting animals in the woods. A lot of people do
Speaker 6: things like that, Uh not everyone posts it in such
Speaker 6: a visible way when you're a high profile person.
Speaker 1: He did. Some people didn't like it.
Speaker 3: A lot of people did not like it. He posted
Speaker 3: it to the Wentz Bros. Outdoors Instagram accounts. So I
Speaker 3: think it was just like this bear hunting and the
Speaker 3: hunting thing, and I think that's, you know, the culturee
Speaker 3: came up in. He's been doing this for years. In
Speaker 3: terms of an activity, it's you've got to I think
Speaker 3: understand if your Carson Wentz said, if you're gonna put
Speaker 3: this out of here, if you're gonna put this image
Speaker 3: out there, you're going to inflame large pockets of individuals,
Speaker 3: And that was the response that I think. The few
Speaker 3: people that sort of came to his defense were a tailor, Heineke,
Speaker 3: who said he wanted to eat part of the bear
Speaker 3: when it was finally prepared, and then also Jay Cutler said, well,
Speaker 3: so well I went the bear when it was Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I went deep diving because like almost everyone was like,
Speaker 3: terrible thing to do, and like, I mean, it's a
Speaker 3: bad It looked bad. It looked uncivil. I don't know
Speaker 3: why we are still needed to kill bears at this point,
Speaker 3: Like there's plenty of other places to get food and
Speaker 3: have your sport, but these few football players like stood
Speaker 3: up for them.
Speaker 1: Gonnie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hated it. Obviously.
Speaker 5: I understand that different strokes for different folks people like
Speaker 5: to hunt. I am not one of those people, and
Speaker 5: it just felt so grotesque, And I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: just like there's so many things that are going on
Speaker 5: that are killing different animals all over the world, and
Speaker 5: then like Carson Wentz is posing with one as a trophy.
Speaker 5: It just like feels weird and odd to me because
Speaker 5: I just didn't grow up hunting right.
Speaker 3: And to add on to the disconnect with the general public,
Speaker 3: what he wrote along with the images was incredible trip,
Speaker 3: because we get it. You've been out three or four
Speaker 3: days in the forest doing this incredible trip and an
Speaker 3: incredible animal. You take How incredible is the animal if
Speaker 3: you've just removed it from.
Speaker 1: Our we are listen my take on this. Not a hunter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a gatherer, sure, a gatherer total gatherer
Speaker 1: here as well.
Speaker 6: But they the people that are into this realm, like
Speaker 6: they don't. It's not that they don't. They see it
Speaker 6: as somehow unjust or whatever. It's a it's a beautiful
Speaker 6: thing to be one with nature. Now I don't wrap
Speaker 6: my head around that, but that it is a beautiful
Speaker 6: bear and they're taking it home and they're going to
Speaker 6: do something with it.
Speaker 4: One with nature.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: The bears don't have a gun, then give the bear
Speaker 5: a gun. Everyone else seems to have guns around here.
Speaker 6: Well, that wouldn't be fairy, because the bears got big
Speaker 6: ass claws and giant teeth and right and strong on
Speaker 6: some level the gun levels of the playing field.
Speaker 1: But how about you know, just like a I don't know,
Speaker 1: a club.
Speaker 6: Or something, a club like the Carson went with a
Speaker 6: big club against a brown bear or whatever.
Speaker 1: That seems fair because Wentz is an elite athlete or
Speaker 1: once was.
Speaker 4: Do people eat bear?
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely? You you you freeze it? I mean I do.
Speaker 3: I know a couple hunters from my days Colorado, and
Speaker 3: there are people that this is part of what they do.
Speaker 3: I'm not like, go you know what. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: go have fun because it's not doesn't sound fun to me.
Speaker 3: But we weren't all raised in the same little neighborhood
Speaker 3: and there's different activities.
Speaker 6: But this is not a good look for Carson fringing
Speaker 6: them at certain aggregate right right up. So this saying
Speaker 6: that this could hurt his ability to be signed by
Speaker 6: a teams.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to be the case.
Speaker 5: And this is not to shame any hunters. This is
Speaker 5: just don't comfort I'm an animal lover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's already having difficulty being signed, so that it
Speaker 3: can't change that too much.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break
Speaker 1: and then get to the first our club. All right.
Speaker 1: Another thing, if I were a hunter, I would be
Speaker 1: really bad at it because I'm kind of an impatient person.
Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, I'm gonna go sit in the deer
Speaker 1: stand for nine hours. I'm just gonna sit there, got
Speaker 1: nothing to do. I'm just gonna wait for a deer
Speaker 1: to come by.
Speaker 4: Is that what happens?
Speaker 1: I think? So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I don't think you just continued well,
Speaker 3: we don't know. I don't think you continue just to
Speaker 3: wander around aimlessly. There's there's a bit of like a
Speaker 3: perch and wait, this is what I do. I also,
Speaker 3: why are we still telling this because it's just like
Speaker 3: delving farther down a topic that we have no concept of.
Speaker 1: We do not.
Speaker 6: All right, let's get into a topic we do know
Speaker 6: more about superstars.
Speaker 1: In the NFL.
Speaker 6: And every year I am tasked with writing on NFL
Speaker 6: dot com a list of documenting who are the superstars
Speaker 6: of the NFL. And in the past, I've done it
Speaker 6: the exercise, it's a zero sum game.
Speaker 1: I used to call it. Somebody goes in, somebody comes out.
Speaker 6: I've made some tweaks this year because it's an interesting
Speaker 6: time for the NFL where I was surprised there weren't
Speaker 6: as many like kind of freshly minted superstars that came
Speaker 6: out of twenty twenty two. And as we talked about
Speaker 6: this Connie and Mark leading into today's episode, is that
Speaker 6: something you found as well? Are you surprised at what
Speaker 6: there wasn't like a ton of fresh blood to consider here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I looked at your article from last year
Speaker 5: and noted the new members, who was in, who was out,
Speaker 5: and it felt like there were quite a few. And
Speaker 5: then going over the list this year to last year,
Speaker 5: it depended on the position, but for the most part,
Speaker 5: it was like maybe one or two guys, and some
Speaker 5: of them it was like, I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I think there needs to be less people in the club.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My response was, as I did the same process
Speaker 3: that you went through there, conye like looking at where
Speaker 3: we were a year ago. If anything, I slimmed it.
Speaker 3: I chopped people out and maybe added a little dash
Speaker 3: of spice here and there. But it was tough to
Speaker 3: find new candidates.
Speaker 6: With that said, let us get into it, because I
Speaker 6: did indeed take down the number of superstars considerably this year.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
Speaker 6: Let's start with, you know, in terms of this sport, quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: that is the true indicator.
Speaker 1: Of a superstar.
Speaker 6: Signal caller, the field general, the FG. Absolutely seven quarterbacks
Speaker 6: are superstars. The list is Josh Allen alphabetical. By the way,
Speaker 6: don't get it carried away. Don't get carried away here.
Speaker 6: It's not a ranking. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers. There is one newcomer
Speaker 6: to the list, none of her. Then Colleen's own Jalen
Speaker 6: Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'll get to some
Speaker 6: names that are out of the mix. But let's start
Speaker 6: with Hurtz. This was a no brainer. We knew that
Speaker 6: this was Colleen.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not. I don't gonna say what. We
Speaker 1: knew it was a possibility, it could have it.
Speaker 6: There was a best case scenario entering last season that
Speaker 6: Hurts could make a gigantic lead the way he did,
Speaker 6: But I don't think anyone really expected it to that level,
Speaker 6: even Eagles fans that really like what they saw from
Speaker 6: him in twenty.
Speaker 5: One right, No, I mean, his growth was remarkable, and
Speaker 5: you have to remember he was coming off the season
Speaker 5: where the Eagles really weren't expected to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: It was sort of a year, a transition year. Siriani,
Speaker 5: it was his first season and it was Hurts his
Speaker 5: first year at the quarterback position. They went into Tampa
Speaker 5: Bay and it was just a disaster that wild card game.
Speaker 5: So I felt like that game kind of changed the
Speaker 5: narrative for him a little bit. Over last offseason and
Speaker 5: then coming into the year, he just made huge strides
Speaker 5: in the passing game and just overall, I mean, MVP
Speaker 5: candidate obviously went to the Super Bowl, played really damn
Speaker 5: good all year long, and having Aj Brown there absolutely helped,
Speaker 5: but the numbers were you you could not argue with
Speaker 5: them at all.
Speaker 4: He absolutely belongs in the club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you're a Justin Fields fan, a
Speaker 3: Bears fan, you look at that road map that Jalen
Speaker 3: Hurts just went through and wonder if that's the kind
Speaker 3: of player that can make this kind of leap, Because
Speaker 3: it's a year ago it was Jalen Hurts has spoken
Speaker 3: about completely differently. Is not like trying out for his job,
Speaker 3: but the Eagles might have a wandering eye for phill
Speaker 3: in the blank, Russell Wilson, someone else, and instead he
Speaker 3: just took this titanic leap. And I mean it kind
Speaker 3: of just goes to show that the quarterback development I
Speaker 3: remember growing up and like Phil Simms had five or
Speaker 3: six seasons before he was kind of cemented in as
Speaker 3: like the plug and play guy, and now it happens
Speaker 3: in year two or three.
Speaker 6: Tops Hurts averaged eight yards of Carrie last season, almost
Speaker 6: eight hundred yards on the ground, thirteen rushing scores. It
Speaker 6: was excellent as a passer as well, and as we
Speaker 6: saw in the Super Bowl, I mean when he and
Speaker 6: I know he had the big turnover that led to
Speaker 6: a touchdown that kind of changed the game. But in
Speaker 6: many ways he was the most dominant player on the field,
Speaker 6: so this was an easy one.
Speaker 4: He's got the swag too, like he belongs in the club.
Speaker 6: He belongs, and that's something Greg has talked about in
Speaker 6: the past that I agree with you.
Speaker 1: There's certain there's a genus quah involved here.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a club and it is for to
Speaker 6: be the certain way you carry yourself or how you're seen.
Speaker 6: And you add that with the way things look this
Speaker 6: year because every new member to the Superstar Club it's
Speaker 6: a probationary one year period, okay, and herts is set
Speaker 6: up very well with a great team, great playmakers around.
Speaker 1: Where was he? Where were the Eagles in our exercise?
Speaker 1: I think they were either two or three.
Speaker 3: I had them. I believe it we two or three together,
Speaker 3: but I think three in the overall mix.
Speaker 1: Maybe yes, So they're they're set up well, and.
Speaker 3: It's I can't even recall that episode which was just
Speaker 3: mired days ago, but.
Speaker 6: I think there's again red string it and we're going
Speaker 6: to connect some dots behind the scenes. Now, who's out okay,
Speaker 6: because there's multiple guys out. In fact, three I had
Speaker 6: to take three out. I think I just got a
Speaker 6: little more strict this year. I think I made some
Speaker 6: changes and and how I how I see things. Tom
Speaker 6: Brady easy retired and he would have come out anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 6: although I did take him out of the Superstar Club
Speaker 6: a few years back and had to put him back in.
Speaker 1: That was very embarrassing.
Speaker 3: You paid for that, well, you'd you know, had been
Speaker 3: calling for his decline for roughly eight years of this show.
Speaker 1: So I was right eventually. So he's out. Russell Wilson, yep,
Speaker 1: hard out.
Speaker 4: We're all aligned.
Speaker 1: That was an easy one as well. And I think
Speaker 1: I think Wilson has a chance to bounce back.
Speaker 6: But I think even a Broncos fan that's highly optimistic
Speaker 6: probably is not thinking at this point right that he's
Speaker 6: gonna get back to the heights that he was. It
Speaker 6: was just such a precipitous drop last year. I think
Speaker 6: just being a functional quarterback, you would take that as
Speaker 6: a w.
Speaker 5: He was out of the club quite quick last year.
Speaker 5: And I can't wait to see what he does with
Speaker 5: Sean Payton and if things changed this year. But I
Speaker 5: like proved me wrong, But I don't think that that
Speaker 5: is going to happen. I would love to see him
Speaker 5: back in the club with Siarra like a smoke show outfit.
Speaker 5: They're gonna have bottles of classas ool like. You know,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be great. But I don't think that that's
Speaker 5: gonna be this season for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: There are whispers because it's so quiet that everything's just
Speaker 3: in Tropeland. But Joe Lombardi, paired with Sean Payton, said
Speaker 3: that they're very happy with Russell Wilson's offseason. I mean,
Speaker 3: the one thing I'd say is that he looked physically,
Speaker 3: more spelt and in better shape than he had been
Speaker 3: in a while. I don't know what, if any of
Speaker 3: that means anything at all.
Speaker 4: Is that a trope alert?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: I think it's a mass It's a layered trope. There's
Speaker 3: I saw here's a trope there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I think it was an Instagram video of him working
Speaker 6: in Yeah, looks different, right, you know, that's maybe a trope.
Speaker 6: It is a trope alert, absolutely, but one that maybe
Speaker 6: I'm buying into a little bit. Really, Remember, he was
Speaker 6: called the sack of Potatoes by a defender at the
Speaker 6: end of last season, and he's a player that part
Speaker 6: of what made him great was his escapability, his ability
Speaker 6: to both as a scrambler with the Seahawks and also
Speaker 6: to buy himself more time and keep his eyes downfield.
Speaker 6: That's kind of what Russell Wilson was all about. It
Speaker 6: wasn't that way so much in year one, Denver. Now,
Speaker 6: this one's gonna be controversial, but I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Also, won't hurt the old clicks on the article.
Speaker 4: No, this is I feel like I know where you're going.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. I'm taken out of the superstars.
Speaker 3: I read a mirror reaction to this whole quarterback thing.
Speaker 6: Okay, great, Yeah, And that is not to say that
Speaker 6: I don't think Dak Prescott is a good quarterback, because
Speaker 6: I do think he's a good quarterback. I'm not even
Speaker 6: saying that Dak Prescott can't get hot and when paired
Speaker 6: with a really good Cowboys team and make a run
Speaker 6: to the super Bowl and even win it like Matthew
Speaker 6: Stafford did, another guy.
Speaker 1: That's not a superstar in this exercise.
Speaker 6: For me, I just think for me, after the last
Speaker 6: couple of years, I'm just pulling back a little bit
Speaker 6: personally on kind of how I see him you know,
Speaker 6: he has had some great statistical years in his career
Speaker 6: at Dallas. Last year was not one of them. He
Speaker 6: led the league in intercept options, he seemed to be
Speaker 6: a guy that with a not so hot supporting cast
Speaker 6: other than a really good wide receiver one and Tony
Speaker 6: Poller emerging, didn't seem like he was making a lot
Speaker 6: of his teammates better on the field, and in general,
Speaker 6: there's an inconsistency to his game. We saw how he
Speaker 6: played in the first round of the playoffs as beautifully
Speaker 6: then was not able to make it happen against admittedly
Speaker 6: a very good San Francisco defense, And I think that's
Speaker 6: kind of what it is.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is maybe.
Speaker 6: Maybe even like his predecesssor Tony Romo in the Hall,
Speaker 6: very good rather than the truly great. So I'm just
Speaker 6: pulling them back a little bit out of the superstar club.
Speaker 6: Doesn't mean I think the Cowboys need a new quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like a career assessment, because but you're
Speaker 3: not flipped like you can't just ignore what happened last year,
Speaker 3: because I think when when Dak Prescott was playing in
Speaker 3: his heights, he's like a top five quarterback right, but
Speaker 3: then he completely has these he goes completely a wall
Speaker 3: for a quarter at a time. And it's not just environment.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a lot of those inner sceptions.
Speaker 3: We're not on Dak Prescott. There were some weird things
Speaker 3: that happened, but I'm with you. I put him in
Speaker 3: a category because I don't want to publish this. This
Speaker 3: is just on my little Google doc here, but fringe
Speaker 3: because I was like, I don't know what to do
Speaker 3: with him entirely, because I think it could be back
Speaker 3: in this club if he is one of his better
Speaker 3: type seasons. But I can't after the last season just
Speaker 3: ignore a lot of what I saw.
Speaker 5: He's on my bubble as well. But guys, Mike McCarthy, bro,
Speaker 5: I mean, this offense is going to be way different
Speaker 5: for Dax.
Speaker 4: We'll see if that changes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even that, like you mentioned that, because McCarthy's
Speaker 6: been very vocal that that Zaddy's saying, like we finally
Speaker 6: get to play football the way we want them.
Speaker 1: We're gonna score less this year.
Speaker 6: And I don't know what he's saying, actually, but I
Speaker 6: think he's saying he wants to be a little more
Speaker 6: ball control and maybe less aired out if I'm understanding
Speaker 6: some of these quotes that have been and I'm wondering
Speaker 6: if that is going to be a detriment to some
Speaker 6: of the production from the quarterback as well.
Speaker 1: And stats are part of this as well.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make it easier to get back into this organization,
Speaker 3: this club.
Speaker 5: Dock up though, Guys someone who's like knocking on the
Speaker 5: door of the club, he's hanging out outside, he's waiting
Speaker 5: in line. I don't know if he's going to get
Speaker 5: in or not this year, but I feel like Trevor
Speaker 5: Lawrence has a shot to get there, all right.
Speaker 6: So I have a category good job, Connie. I have
Speaker 6: a category for each of these positional groups close calls.
Speaker 6: And I don't think there's necessarily a close call that
Speaker 6: I have here, but guys that I'm keeping an eye on,
Speaker 6: and Lawrence is absolutely one of them. Because he did
Speaker 6: hyped up his generational talent, got wiped out by the
Speaker 6: Urban Meyer fiasco in year one, made that leap in
Speaker 6: year two, got to the divisional playoffs, and there is
Speaker 6: a lot you could piece things together and say, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is going to be the year he now becomes
Speaker 6: a superstar. I would not be surprised. I try not
Speaker 6: to get ahead of it too much. I'll talk about
Speaker 6: some other guys that fall under that category and try
Speaker 6: to say guy's a superstar before he's proven this.
Speaker 1: To be a superstar, you kind.
Speaker 6: Of have to be proven right at that level, rather
Speaker 6: than oh, he could be a superstar.
Speaker 1: And I think Trevor Lawrence still has to do that.
Speaker 6: Fields is another We've talked about him on the show
Speaker 6: that Justin Fields, if things go a certain way, could
Speaker 6: have that Jalen Hurts type leap in year three. And
Speaker 6: I'm excited to see what he can do with a
Speaker 6: more functional surrounding group. Could he have a huge season
Speaker 6: this year. I think it's possible. And then there's one
Speaker 6: other name.
Speaker 3: Mark, I I have a question for you. Is it
Speaker 3: Rock Purty?
Speaker 1: No, okay, I never even thought.
Speaker 3: I know you didn't. I know you didn't like most
Speaker 3: people wouldn't. But let's say you take the because we're talking.
Speaker 1: About Mark, we're talking about the super starch.
Speaker 3: I know it with Trevor Lawrence, right, it was like
Speaker 3: final six or seven games where he morphed into a superstar.
Speaker 3: It's like we just need to see it again, right,
Speaker 3: Rock Purty essentially was a flawless quarterback for six plus.
Speaker 1: Weeks playing with a remarkable support.
Speaker 3: I was saying, like, if he went and did that
Speaker 3: for another seventeen game stretch into the playoffs, is he
Speaker 3: not a superstar?
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it. We'll talk about it next time, Okay.
Speaker 3: But I'm not like I just he's just on my
Speaker 3: like deeper radar and little in the sky.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, Deshaun who was in the
Speaker 6: superstar club and then when everything happened, he was quietly
Speaker 6: yearnd out of the entire conversation. I have him back
Speaker 6: in now in terms of not in the club, but
Speaker 6: a guy that I'm considering as in terms of that.
Speaker 6: And listen, like full off season, no league discipline or
Speaker 6: legal issues issues, lingering, a really nice offensive line, nice
Speaker 6: skill group, talked about that, I had the Browns in
Speaker 6: the top ten. It's all kind of set up for
Speaker 6: him to maybe regain what and and get back to
Speaker 6: what he was now.
Speaker 1: All the other stuff, I get it, But I'm just.
Speaker 6: Saying, in terms of the quarterback and the producer and
Speaker 6: being a leader, and in terms of wins and losses,
Speaker 6: he is somebody I'm watching this season to see where
Speaker 6: he lands.
Speaker 3: I think anyone who's been in the club, like you'd
Speaker 3: have to keep an eye on. But like for your
Speaker 3: urgency meter, tell me Cleveland was not on that list.
Speaker 3: I guess there's a lot of pressure on that coaching
Speaker 3: staff and really everyone.
Speaker 4: I keep wrestling with Dak. I don't know, I like,
Speaker 4: I just keep going back.
Speaker 6: Do you love exercise where Jalen hurts, the Eagles quarterback
Speaker 6: becomes the superstar and the.
Speaker 1: Cowboys quarterback yanked.
Speaker 5: You know, it's.
Speaker 1: Ceremoniously how to get Connie on this episode?
Speaker 3: But you are right, they're gonna tweet that out with
Speaker 3: the picture. That thing is gonna go absolutely ballistic.
Speaker 1: And I will I may be not around anymore.
Speaker 5: No, hit them with the go birds and everything will
Speaker 5: be fine.
Speaker 3: You're lucky you got out of Texas when you did.
Speaker 3: That's true, would not have worked. Well there, I'm not
Speaker 3: meaning Cowboys listeners. You know I don't hate the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: In fact, you know, I kind of like watching them.
Speaker 3: I'm not as down on their constant prime time.
Speaker 5: Well, it's like they are superstars in their own and
Speaker 5: he built in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what helped get back into the Superstar called
Speaker 6: because it does carry that little extra something when you're
Speaker 6: the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. But I just had
Speaker 6: a yank, and let's move to running backs, and this
Speaker 6: class is shrunk gang. Here are the running backs in
Speaker 6: the Superstar Club return earning member year three. I believe
Speaker 6: Nick Chubb maybe year two might have been a year late, unchubbed,
Speaker 6: but he is in. Derrick Henry is back, Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 6: is back. And even though I.
Speaker 1: Have the ability to rescind.
Speaker 6: This based on the one year probation, Jonathan Taylor stays
Speaker 6: in the Superstar Club and given him a pass, you know,
Speaker 6: and like they say in the Mob.
Speaker 1: Movies, he's given me a pass. I got a pass.
Speaker 6: Everything was terrible last year for the Colts, but I
Speaker 6: remember Jonathan Taylor, because let's start with Taylor.
Speaker 1: How incredible he was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6: Just a reminder of everybody that he is still twenty
Speaker 6: four years old. In twenty twenty one, he had twy
Speaker 6: and seventy one total yards and twenty touchdowns. And even
Speaker 6: last year, as bad as everything was for the Colts,
Speaker 6: and it was terrible from the offensive line play to
Speaker 6: the quarterback play to the drama behind the scenes, the
Speaker 6: head coach and everything. He still ran for a thousand
Speaker 6: yards last year, and all the injuries he had, and
Speaker 6: before he got hurt again and banged up that ankle,
Speaker 6: he was looking like Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: So he's staying there. Mark.
Speaker 6: Did you have him still in in the Superstar Club
Speaker 6: or was he off your list?
Speaker 3: I moved him off, not because I don't agree with
Speaker 3: what you're saying, because I think he's a guy. This
Speaker 3: guy can be back on the list if he returns.
Speaker 3: I don't like to do that though, but I but
Speaker 3: I guess I am basing this, like largely off of
Speaker 3: what we've seen most recently, and I think injury can't
Speaker 3: be the only reason you knock him off. But he
Speaker 3: wasn't the same player, and I just think it's an
Speaker 3: exclusive little club to do.
Speaker 1: Way.
Speaker 3: Did you not have Saquon Barkley back on the back
Speaker 3: in the club?
Speaker 4: He didn't.
Speaker 3: I did not see I I took Taylor off and
Speaker 3: a couple other people as well, but I put Saquon
Speaker 3: back in.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go through.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you don't have Josh Jacob Well.
Speaker 3: That that one is concerning too.
Speaker 1: But if so, who, here's who's out for last year?
Speaker 6: Dalvin cook Who Even though you popped the hood on
Speaker 6: some of his production even last year, it's not too
Speaker 6: far off from when he was seen.
Speaker 1: As a superstar, at least obviously by me.
Speaker 6: But there is something disconcerting for me doing this exercise,
Speaker 6: saying guys is a superstar and he's just like lingering
Speaker 6: on the free agent market for weeks.
Speaker 1: Now, that's a little it's a bit of a red flag, ye.
Speaker 6: Like I don't know, Like I didn't feel comfortable keeping
Speaker 6: him in the Superstar Club because if he truly was
Speaker 6: a superstar.
Speaker 4: A girlfriend right now? Is that what's happening? He shows
Speaker 4: up single to the club.
Speaker 5: He's had four straight one thousand yard seasons, Like, what
Speaker 5: do you.
Speaker 6: Think Damn Cooks should be still in the Superstar Club
Speaker 6: if he doesn't, If.
Speaker 5: He was on the Vikings and he was still in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: would he be in the club?
Speaker 1: I would be thinking long and hard about it.
Speaker 6: Yes, But I do factor in external things like did
Speaker 6: he get fired by his previous team, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's like a cap thing too, right.
Speaker 3: Or no, well, they definitely had cap issues, but there
Speaker 3: are thing is if we if we're too soft. You
Speaker 3: have like eight people in this in this list on
Speaker 3: the club for the running backs, I have four.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I think Jonathan Taylor should not be in because he
Speaker 5: he only rushed for like eight hundred and some yards
Speaker 5: and that was like the first time he hadn't rushed
Speaker 5: for one thousand yards since high school. And yeah, everything
Speaker 5: was like terrible last year for him and the entire
Speaker 5: team and the entire offense. But if it's a superstar club,
Speaker 5: you got to play like a superstar. So I'm putting
Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs in and taking Jonathan Taylor out.
Speaker 1: Okay, close calls. I had Josh Jacobs and.
Speaker 3: Why because I had to question about Josh Jacobs because
Speaker 3: he looked as good as any running back last year.
Speaker 3: I think I am because Cisco's back and forth. But
Speaker 3: I had him on the fence, which again is my
Speaker 3: own category, because of I don't know if I trust
Speaker 3: that was going to ever happen again.
Speaker 6: That's why he's not here for me, Not because I
Speaker 6: don't think he's a good running back or even potentially
Speaker 6: a great one. I just wonder what he does as
Speaker 6: an encore after leading the league in touches, almost four
Speaker 6: hundred touches last year, three hundred and forty carries he has.
Speaker 6: He has zero career touchdown receptions, so he doesn't really
Speaker 6: give you that much juice from that side of things.
Speaker 6: And I really like Josh Jacobs, but I just I
Speaker 6: don't know. I guess the bar is just higher for me,
Speaker 6: and I kept him out. I also the one I
Speaker 6: struggled with the most out of any player in this exercise,
Speaker 6: and Barkley I struggled with as well, because you could
Speaker 6: look at what he did last year and comeback player
Speaker 6: of the year type season for Barkley. But I think
Speaker 6: one of the things that that Greg has talked about
Speaker 6: sometimes she's got to wait it out with Barkley, and
Speaker 6: it's it could be a slog watching a lot of
Speaker 6: those you know, negative twos, no gain, negative three, and
Speaker 6: then he blows out the twenty five yard er, the
Speaker 6: big play, and it's like, all right, everything is great,
Speaker 6: but maybe his offense just doesn't excite me, and it's
Speaker 6: it's part of the attack. He's so well, you're the author,
Speaker 6: so you can decide this. But it was Austin Eckler
Speaker 6: that I really because I mean, listen, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Is it the stink of twenty seven nothing hanging over
Speaker 6: a lot of the Chargers And that's totally unfair.
Speaker 1: It's a different thing. It's a team game.
Speaker 6: He's entering his age twenty eight season, thirty eight touchdowns
Speaker 6: in the last two years. That's twelve more than any
Speaker 6: other player. He caught one hundred and seven passes.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just maybe I'm wrong it
Speaker 1: is he a superstar.
Speaker 5: Cow well the same way as you because he did
Speaker 5: have eighteen touchdowns last year. I mean, he was always scoring.
Speaker 5: But I feel like the way that the Chargers situation
Speaker 5: went with him kind of affects the way that I
Speaker 5: think about him. And that's completely unfair. But that's just
Speaker 5: I think the reality of it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Would you rather have Austin Eckler over McCaffrey, Nick Chubb, Derrick,
Speaker 3: Henry Seguon, Barkley.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have I mean, Eckler is a approaching
Speaker 6: the Fantasy Hall of Fame. He's a great player. I
Speaker 6: mean I would have him. I would take name those
Speaker 6: guys again.
Speaker 3: I'll go yes, No, Christian McCaffrey, no, Nick Chubb, No,
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry No, Saquon Barkley yes, Josh Jacobs No. Then
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of how large is this club
Speaker 3: for these running backs?
Speaker 6: And I put it out there on Twitter, the ones
Speaker 6: that I really struggle with. It's become a bit of
Speaker 6: a tradition this time of year. I'll just throw it
Speaker 6: out there, simple question. Is Austin Eckler a superstar? Over
Speaker 6: eight thousand votes and fifty seven point six percent.
Speaker 1: Of the football ggment says no.
Speaker 6: So you know, everybody has their own definition of a
Speaker 6: superstar and and charge can get angry about that, and
Speaker 6: Giants fans certainly as well.
Speaker 1: But just short, whatever it means, it's just short, is it?
Speaker 1: This stink of twenty seven? Nothing? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think I could. I think you're broadcasting that that's
Speaker 3: a possibility for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in I alwed no, I think that justin
Speaker 1: Herbert he's still in the club.
Speaker 3: But like the Chargers, Q rating has taken a hit
Speaker 3: almost year after year.
Speaker 4: And Alvin Kamara was in your rankings last year.
Speaker 1: Right he was.
Speaker 6: He was the other name I took out, and that
Speaker 6: was the name that I wish Greg was here for
Speaker 6: because he totally disagrees with me, but I think it's
Speaker 6: been two years of kind of not superhuman production. He's
Speaker 6: two years older, he's got a potential suspension on the way.
Speaker 6: The arrival in Jamal Williams is a real goal line guy.
Speaker 6: It's going to take away touches in the red zone.
Speaker 6: And not to mention the arrival of Kamara's potential twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four replacement in TSU running back Kendry Miller, a
Speaker 6: third round pick. Certainly, Kamara is still a great weapon
Speaker 6: and any coach would love to have him. But I
Speaker 6: just guess it's been too long now as a game
Speaker 6: changing superstar since we've seen him at that level. And
Speaker 6: Sean Payton's done around either.
Speaker 5: They just use him different too, like without Peyton and
Speaker 5: without Drew Brees there. Like before they were using him
Speaker 5: in every way possible because they had to. But then
Speaker 5: it's just like everything is down for him, all of
Speaker 5: his numbers.
Speaker 1: All right now.
Speaker 6: The group that has the most names, it's not quarterback
Speaker 6: but wide receiver ten of them. Hello, that was that
Speaker 6: was a tough category.
Speaker 1: Running back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in general, running backs just a tough one to
Speaker 6: figure out right now.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a tough.
Speaker 5: Cookie because the league it's like running backs aren't supposed
Speaker 5: to be superstars anymore, but they are superstars. He doesn't
Speaker 5: have a job.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have Raiders fans all over you, though, But
Speaker 3: that's that's.
Speaker 4: How the Raiders fans Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 6: Why receivers returning names Devonte Adams, AJ Brown, Jamar Chase,
Speaker 6: Stefon Diggs, Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, Cooper Cup, DK Metcalf,
Speaker 6: Deebo Samuel, all of them pretty much slam dunk, no doubt.
Speaker 6: Returning names The newcomer for me, well, let me start here.
Speaker 6: The only name there that I want to keep it
Speaker 6: in an eye on Deebo Samuel. I love Samuel. He's
Speaker 6: one of my favorite players to watch. Last year, the injuries,
Speaker 6: which is something you know, he's a guy that gets
Speaker 6: banged up. He was held under a thousand yards in
Speaker 6: thirteen games, only five touchdowns. Previous year he had almost
Speaker 6: eighteen hundred total yards and fourteen touchdowns one hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty six touches, so he had thirty eight less touches.
Speaker 6: In general, was a little less of a dynamic player.
Speaker 6: Let's see how his body holds up in another year.
Speaker 6: The newcomer here is ced lamp You had him in, yes,
Speaker 6: tell me why he's in for you?
Speaker 5: Okay, because he had career highs last year and targets, catches, yards, touchdowns,
Speaker 5: and he was top five in the league last season
Speaker 5: or top six in receiving yards receiving touchdowns. When I
Speaker 5: was just like going through all the different categories on
Speaker 5: Pro Football Reference, like he was popping up in every
Speaker 5: single top ten list every time I went down a
Speaker 5: different stat line. Like he also, as we kind of
Speaker 5: talked about with Dak, like he has that Cowboys star
Speaker 5: shine and it's the it's almost like the opposite of
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert being in the club and Austin Eckler being out.
Speaker 5: But in this case, Dak is out and Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 5: is in. And I just think we haven't even seen
Speaker 5: his best yet.
Speaker 3: I had him in two. I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: his handiwork came with instant chemistry with Kooper Rush in
Speaker 3: a really weird situation of the gate. It's sort of like,
Speaker 3: no matter what the environment was, Ceedee Lamb is producing
Speaker 3: week after week. He's the only person, though, looking up
Speaker 3: and down the list of wideouts who were not on
Speaker 3: last year's list. He's the only guy I came up
Speaker 3: with that he even had a chance to be on
Speaker 3: it this year.
Speaker 6: This one was up in the air for me even
Speaker 6: till this morning.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this article will be up on
Speaker 1: Wednesday on NFL dot com just because he was very good.
Speaker 1: He came in with a ton of hype.
Speaker 6: They gave number eighty eight, which, by the way, the
Speaker 6: last two eighty eights in Dallas. We're superstars in Michael
Speaker 6: Irvin and Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 6: You kind of wanted to see that big leap, and
Speaker 6: I thought you did. Like Colleen pointed out, even when
Speaker 6: Dak went out, he was still productive. When Dak came back,
Speaker 6: he had some monster games. And you Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 6: there now, and I think that can only help because
Speaker 6: Ceeddee lamb has.
Speaker 1: You know, and he said it on our show during
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week. He's like, we need more like we
Speaker 1: need more help around us. Dak needs more help.
Speaker 6: And if Tony Pollard is healthy and Cooks is the
Speaker 6: guy they hope he is, and Michael Gallup gets back
Speaker 6: some of the juice, Ceedee Lam's only gonna get better.
Speaker 6: He's going to continue to see a huge target share
Speaker 6: either way. He's twenty four years old. And the reason
Speaker 6: I kind of hesitated just a little bit is because
Speaker 6: the leap that he made from year two to year
Speaker 6: three was great, but was it superstar great? And I
Speaker 6: think that's where the star helped him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 6: the star helped him because Cedee Lamb feels like even
Speaker 6: his name, like he's box office and that's why he
Speaker 6: did make the cut. Making room for CD Lamb was
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins. He's missed fifteen games in the past two years.
Speaker 6: He has a ped suspension. Another guy. How do I
Speaker 6: put a guy in the superstar club if he doesn't
Speaker 6: even have a job right now. That's fair, and I
Speaker 6: understand that he probably could have a job right now
Speaker 6: if he brought down his asking price, But if the
Speaker 6: rest of the league still saw him as the player
Speaker 6: he was at his height, when he was arguably the
Speaker 6: best wide receiver in football three or four years ago,
Speaker 6: he would have a job now and he doesn't. And
Speaker 6: I think about that. He's aged thirty one.
Speaker 1: A guy.
Speaker 6: You know, if I learned that Joe Dougle signed him tomorrow,
Speaker 6: would I be pumped? Absolutely? So I'm not saying he
Speaker 6: can't play anymore. But this is the Superstar Club. You
Speaker 6: have to be that next level guy. And I think
Speaker 6: maybe Hopkins is just on the other show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bumped too. I pumped him too. I I've
Speaker 3: got a couple questions about certain guys, Like I dinged
Speaker 3: the Bucks skill position group pretty severely in our last episode,
Speaker 3: and like I heard about that since from like four
Speaker 3: Bucks fans.
Speaker 4: But like your neighbors.
Speaker 3: But no, just like you know, I get like three
Speaker 3: random tweets like what's up, bro about the Bucks situation.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know funitch for the But Mike
Speaker 3: Evans nine straight thousand yard seasons. I know last year
Speaker 3: was he was at Aka Hoots with Tom Brady on
Speaker 3: like four thousand deep passes, But I don't know why
Speaker 3: he wasn't in it prior or previously. Like he sort
Speaker 3: of just continues to produce consistently year after year at
Speaker 3: a pretty unprecedented level.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I this is kind of at odds with
Speaker 6: my statement last week that I wanted part of the solution,
Speaker 6: not part of the problem when people overlook Mike Evans.
Speaker 3: But yeah, one of those things, though, have a problem.
Speaker 3: I think with this one.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I can appreciate Mike evans greatness and his
Speaker 6: consistency while also saying that he's not a superstar. And
Speaker 6: now he's ten years into a career. Are you seeing
Speaker 6: the same Mike Evans you saw when he hoisted the
Speaker 6: Lombardi Trophy with Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think he's still a great guy to have obviously
Speaker 6: on your team for a number of reasons, and him
Speaker 6: and Chris Godwin form a great one too. That's why
Speaker 6: I had them pretty high. Uh in the skill position countdown.
Speaker 6: We did, uh, but just just short of it. I'm
Speaker 6: more I didn't. I was more hung up on a
Speaker 6: couple other names. Terry McLaurin, yes, say from Washington, who
Speaker 6: is another guy that maybe doesn't get as much respect.
Speaker 6: But I thought his production is just a tick below
Speaker 6: and a lot of his quarterback base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's never had anything better than a C plus courter.
Speaker 6: So give the guy a real quarterback and he's gonna
Speaker 6: he's gonna be here because look, but he's done without it.
Speaker 6: They're the guy that and you know me, I wanted
Speaker 6: to say, oh, Garrett Wilson was so good last year
Speaker 6: with some of the worst quarterback playing the entire league.
Speaker 6: He was he got open, he made tacklers miss, he
Speaker 6: was strong, he was fast, and I think Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 6: is gonna make him a superstar. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: get ahead of it. I'm gonna wait it out. But
Speaker 6: my eyes on that for next year.
Speaker 4: He's also on my stock up list.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like I wrote, he's on the way to the
Speaker 3: club and a horse and buggy like he'll get there.
Speaker 3: There's no questions asked. It could have even been this year.
Speaker 3: I would have not really had a problem with that.
Speaker 6: I wrestled with it, if only to like maybe get
Speaker 6: a bunch of people mad at me for being a homer.
Speaker 6: Absolutely that would have been fun. And trust me that
Speaker 6: I'm not above doing.
Speaker 4: Things like leny of time for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But ultimately I said, I gotta stay consistent, and
Speaker 6: I try to. You have to like earn that extra
Speaker 6: bump in terms of production rather than oh, I think
Speaker 6: he's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: You kind of got to see it to be a
Speaker 1: true superstar.
Speaker 5: I'm stuck a bit on Cooper Cup. But he had
Speaker 5: the Triple Crown the year before. It's fine.
Speaker 4: He played only played nine games.
Speaker 1: Of course, he was. He was good.
Speaker 4: He was great in those nine games.
Speaker 1: But for a terrible Rams teams, my club.
Speaker 5: Is difficult to get into, did you Yeah, no, I
Speaker 5: mean the offense was like crashing, like I ninety five
Speaker 5: around him while he was on the field. But it's
Speaker 5: the one name when I look at the list just
Speaker 5: because of his injury last year, just because of the
Speaker 5: disaster that was there.
Speaker 4: So it's really no bouncer rue, no fault of his own.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: He won the Triple Crown in twenty one. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: single handedly even though Stafford I think got the trophy.
Speaker 1: He's in, he's in, he won that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I have some stars next to his name.
Speaker 6: Is all interesting, Well, in your defense of an otherwise
Speaker 6: deeply flawed point, Colleen, When I when I inducted him
Speaker 6: last year, I pointed out that he was always like
Speaker 6: just a good wide receiver, right, and then all of
Speaker 6: a sudden and what was like kind of a special
Speaker 6: year for the La Rams. Obviously he became you know,
Speaker 6: this s tier godlike president the Prince.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of still was that guy last.
Speaker 6: Year until he hurt the angle, though I thought, I
Speaker 6: don't know, hey, listen, maybe he's no he to.
Speaker 5: Be clear, he's in, but it's just like I'm watching him.
Speaker 5: I'm watching him as the bouncer.
Speaker 6: How about Tyreek Hill? Were keeping an eye on him
Speaker 6: this year? He's aged twenty nine. He could have a suspension,
Speaker 6: but I'm not.
Speaker 3: Thinking no, no conversation right now.
Speaker 1: Then how will he age?
Speaker 6: If too and you know he had zero touchdowns and
Speaker 6: games Tua was out or injured, so his production is
Speaker 6: tied to the quarterback being able to put the ball
Speaker 6: in his hands.
Speaker 1: And he happened at Patrick Mahomes before. To a not
Speaker 1: even a question.
Speaker 6: Tyreek Hill is a superstar on the field.
Speaker 3: What about a him T Higgins? Any thought to T Higgins?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't really have him my list.
Speaker 3: I thought that he was their best wide at a
Speaker 3: time last year, but absolutely no thought.
Speaker 4: I think it's tough because Jamar Chase is in.
Speaker 3: But how about you know, I'm not gonna even mention
Speaker 3: the other guy. Yeah, well, these are guys like say
Speaker 3: future like horizon potential. Okay, I think Devanta Smith like
Speaker 3: I he's have a lot to do with you know,
Speaker 3: a J. Brown being there like works like Jalen Wattle,
Speaker 3: like if he keeps producing the way he's.
Speaker 1: These are like two of the best, maybe the two
Speaker 1: best second bananas in the league to me, and that Higgins,
Speaker 1: maybe the three best.
Speaker 3: Just throw a future note. Maybe maybe they don't.
Speaker 6: They have to eclipse those players, so it would be
Speaker 6: a J. Brown, Jamar Chase, what was the other name
Speaker 6: he said.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just looking at the people that are
Speaker 3: in things can happen to even Samuel's on your radar.
Speaker 6: You know, those men have to benefit from having that
Speaker 6: true number one quarterback wide receiver across them.
Speaker 5: That's all basically the Eagles, the Bengals, and I mean
Speaker 5: maybe you could all you could argue the Dolphins they
Speaker 5: have the best wide receiver duos at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these second fiddles were not getting it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about T Higgins.
Speaker 3: Wow, I like, that's just lot. I didn't think you
Speaker 3: probably gave it something.
Speaker 4: You mentioned him last year in the article.
Speaker 1: I liked the Higgins.
Speaker 6: Yeah, another one, but we're talking superstars got it.
Speaker 3: But you also went on like a twelve minute rant
Speaker 3: about Jamar Chase like an episode or two ago.
Speaker 6: I didn't go on a twelve minute rant. I just
Speaker 6: said he wasn't as explosive last year. But he was
Speaker 6: still incredible. So he's a true number one wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I just I kind of liked that rookie Jamar Chase
Speaker 6: when he was just like shredding guys, catching slants and
Speaker 6: running past everyone for seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: We didn't see as much. His production was different.
Speaker 3: You're right about that.
Speaker 1: He was targeted more.
Speaker 6: He had I think, more catches, more yards, but it wasn't,
Speaker 6: as I guess, exciting nothing against them.
Speaker 3: See, well, this is why weren't we're trying to dig Indy.
Speaker 6: I'm clowing out of the box. Uh so I got
Speaker 6: DeAndre out. No concerns there for many one. All right,
Speaker 6: let's move on to tight end. And this I did
Speaker 6: this with my eyes closed. I had to undress the
Speaker 6: Christmas tree here a little bit as well. This is
Speaker 6: like the Charlie Brown Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, the tight end is one position deep, one
Speaker 1: player deep.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of a disgrace, quite honestly. In this
Speaker 6: era of great offense, a great quarterback plays. Why is
Speaker 6: Travis Kelsey the only true superstar.
Speaker 1: At tight end in the NFL?
Speaker 6: And I pulled two players off the list, Darren Waller,
Speaker 6: who's battled injury, issues. He's now a sneaky old Hall
Speaker 6: of Famer thirty one years old. The Raiders didn't want
Speaker 6: him anymore. They traded him to the Giants for a
Speaker 6: mid round draft pick, which I consider that, and then
Speaker 6: I don't really like where he's going. Did you know
Speaker 6: the Giants had only seventeen passing touchdowns last year? You
Speaker 6: know how much of the pie is Darren Waller going
Speaker 6: to get? How explosive is that offense going to be.
Speaker 6: It does help him that they don't have a lot
Speaker 6: of wide receivers, but I felt pretty comfortable taking Waller out.
Speaker 1: Anybody have an issue.
Speaker 3: He were on the Raiders, I would have taken him
Speaker 3: off it.
Speaker 4: In the last two seasons.
Speaker 1: It's just a wash up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the injuries, all of it.
Speaker 3: George Kittle off your list.
Speaker 1: George Kittle off the list?
Speaker 4: Interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I kept him on mine.
Speaker 1: He was a late subtraction and I struggled with it.
Speaker 4: Why what did it for you?
Speaker 6: Because he does pass the look test, so he's still
Speaker 6: got that. Like George Kittle's on the field. George Kittle
Speaker 6: gets the ball in his hands. Oh wow, it's like
Speaker 6: he's a game changer. That looks like a Star. I
Speaker 6: just don't know how often he gets the ball in
Speaker 6: his hands at this point, he continues, obviously to struggle
Speaker 6: with durability. He's twenty nine years old, he's played a
Speaker 6: full season once in his career. And then you have
Speaker 6: with Christian McCaffrey there and Deebo, Samuel and Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 6: I just don't know how how many like his numbers
Speaker 6: are you gonna put a guy in the Superstar club
Speaker 6: if he's got you know, fifty eight catches for eight
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty yards and seven touchdowns, Like, but that's.
Speaker 1: Me, not gonna do it for me.
Speaker 5: Maybe what he does best is just not showing up
Speaker 5: in those stat lines, all those stat lines, Like I
Speaker 5: think he should still be in. I think it's still
Speaker 5: Travis Kelcey and George Kittle as the two elite tight
Speaker 5: ends in the league.
Speaker 3: I still I have Kittle in there too, But I
Speaker 3: think when we talk about Kittle and Deebo and you
Speaker 3: just mentioned all the weapons in San Francisco, it's like
Speaker 3: it isn't an offense based around one star guy that
Speaker 3: compiles massive numbers.
Speaker 6: But then what do you do in it? Because like
Speaker 6: Deebo's numbers don't look. Yeah, but like depressive Debo gets
Speaker 6: his touches? Are you gets touches? McCaffrey we know gets
Speaker 6: his touches. Did you know that after McCaffrey came over
Speaker 6: at the deadline, Kittle averaged four targets a game, four
Speaker 6: point two targets a game. And he is such a
Speaker 6: massive figure in their offense obviously for what he could
Speaker 6: do to the middle of the field, his blocking ability,
Speaker 6: which is.
Speaker 4: Then he loved a block.
Speaker 1: He loves the.
Speaker 6: Block and National tight End Day. I love all that stuff.
Speaker 6: But I just think he's in an offense that is
Speaker 6: going to depress his production and the factor in the
Speaker 6: injuries in the age, and I think he's just to
Speaker 6: tick below a superstar, which and it also I guess
Speaker 6: hurts a little bit that Travis Kelcey is as much
Speaker 6: of a superstar as anyone on this list at any position.
Speaker 6: He sets the bar high that it's like it's hard
Speaker 6: to put anyone in a category with him because he
Speaker 6: does it all.
Speaker 1: He produces. Thought it was a little bold. He's on
Speaker 1: a champion. He also obviously has the look he hosted SNL.
Speaker 4: I mean a big he's a superstar.
Speaker 6: He's a born superstar, So no newcomers and close calls.
Speaker 6: Anybody want to throw a name out there or someone
Speaker 6: that should be here or should be discussed.
Speaker 3: No, because I think it just points out that there's
Speaker 3: this second tier. Like a Mark Andrews is just clearly
Speaker 3: like an excellent tight end, super productive. That offense like
Speaker 3: rotates around him in many ways, but he's not a superstar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was the one guy I thought that I
Speaker 5: was kind of wrestling with a little bit because I
Speaker 5: had Kittle in and it was Jess Travis and George Kittle.
Speaker 5: So Mark Andrews was on the cusp. But I don't
Speaker 5: think he I don't think he makes it in Maybe
Speaker 5: with all the additional targets and Todd Monkin wanting to
Speaker 5: pass more, I don't. I don't know if that's actually
Speaker 5: gonna happen, but maybe his stock goes back up.
Speaker 4: But he's not in a lot.
Speaker 6: Of mouths to the feet all of a sudden on Baltimore.
Speaker 6: Ye too, He's gonna get his touches because he gets open,
Speaker 6: he finds the end zone. But he's a he's also
Speaker 6: for all what he brings to their offense. When Lamar
Speaker 6: is healthy, he's kind of a more of a chain move.
Speaker 6: He's not a big yards after catch guy. He's at
Speaker 6: that dynamic break of tackle and take it to the house.
Speaker 6: He's just kind of that dream, get open, make the catch,
Speaker 6: moving the ball along type guy, which doesn't quite pass.
Speaker 6: And Kyle Pitts, I mean, if you would have, like
Speaker 6: we're talking about a ghost price point, if you would
Speaker 6: have talked to me last summer, I would say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: absolutely Pitts is going to be in this exercise. In fact,
Speaker 6: I wrote last summer that I was I was very
Speaker 6: tend to do it and put him in next last year,
Speaker 6: and then that would have been extremely embarrassing, a humiliation.
Speaker 1: For the old Zuser if I would have done it.
Speaker 1: I still believe in Pits.
Speaker 6: But again, as we talked about on the show, I'm
Speaker 6: not as bullish on the Falcons offense because who's his
Speaker 6: quarterback this year? Like who's gonna and now you add
Speaker 6: Bejon Robinson in there, who you know is going to
Speaker 6: be the focal point of that offense. And Drake London's
Speaker 6: gonna need to get the ball? Is Kyle Pitt's ever
Speaker 6: gonna find his niche in Atlanta? It's kind of now
Speaker 6: or never. It feels like, uh, for Pitts becoming a stud.
Speaker 3: They're gonna lead the league in rushing attempts and that
Speaker 3: depresses his value and also stay healthy.
Speaker 6: Not ruling out that Pitts could be on this list
Speaker 6: next year, but I'm less confident than ever at this point.
Speaker 4: So what tit ands? Is it usually like year three
Speaker 4: that they they jump.
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, it was like it was if
Speaker 3: you remember doing this, like kind of deeper diver was
Speaker 3: like for most it was around year three. A year
Speaker 3: had to do with the offense and everything else too,
Speaker 3: But like Kyle Pitts would have been a year two guy,
Speaker 3: I think. But there was a crazy quarterback play. He's
Speaker 3: getting hurt, and now it's like you're suddenly in year
Speaker 3: three of Kyle Pitts and we have no idea what
Speaker 3: we're going to get in this offense.
Speaker 4: I hope it's good.
Speaker 6: And this was a big year obviously for tight ends
Speaker 6: in the draft. Dalton Kincaid, Michael Mayer, Darnell Washington, Sam
Speaker 6: Laporta like all these guys. Maybe we're going to see
Speaker 6: that next wave come through. But it is a little
Speaker 6: interesting that that's a position where wide receiver. We're talking
Speaker 6: about ten guys that seem like slam dunks tight end.
Speaker 1: It's Kelsey, maybe Kittle, dry Spell. That's it. And finally,
Speaker 1: you know, when I saw this, I was just just
Speaker 1: kind of proud of myself that I did it last year,
Speaker 1: that I dove in a little little clickbaity.
Speaker 4: Sure, but you followed your heart though.
Speaker 6: Justin Tucker at Kicker, he did nothing last year to
Speaker 6: make me look foolish. He remains swag for days, legendary
Speaker 6: billit the accuracy, like strength, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He is the only guy with dual.
Speaker 6: Membership in the Kicker Club and the Superstar that's special
Speaker 6: Tucker year two in the Superstar Club.
Speaker 1: And I don't look back.
Speaker 6: And if you're looking for offensive line superstars, anyone that
Speaker 6: plays defense, gunners on special teams punters, go find Brian Baldinger,
Speaker 6: who's probably parasaling somewhere in Paraguay if you could find him,
Speaker 6: ask him. I'm just digging into this fun stuff here
Speaker 6: because that's what I feel like doing this time of year.
Speaker 6: But that those positions, those are the superstars in the league.
Speaker 6: I think it's twenty three and before it, because I
Speaker 6: still have a window here. After we wrap up today,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go write the piece. What did I get
Speaker 6: so wrong that I need to I need to think
Speaker 6: it over before dive it in.
Speaker 5: Is there anything that pops into your head now? You
Speaker 5: tell me, Josh acups, Maybe that's right.
Speaker 3: That's where I think you're gonna get a lot of heat.
Speaker 4: Josh comes a superstar, just like take it under advisement.
Speaker 1: Rushing champion.
Speaker 3: I didn't have him in mind, though, so I can't
Speaker 3: you know, I'm talking on both sides of my mouth.
Speaker 1: Anything else that I really.
Speaker 3: No, because I think the exercise sort of shows that
Speaker 3: there hasn't been a lot of like earthquake level movements
Speaker 3: since a year ago.
Speaker 4: We were all pretty aligned.
Speaker 6: The DAK thing we feel good about before we send
Speaker 6: this thing out there to the masses.
Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna I'm still little.
Speaker 1: I want to talk TALKYOI.
Speaker 6: That is one of my favorites. That's a great line
Speaker 6: f Travis Travis Kelcey. That's respect for Travis Kelcey. I
Speaker 6: hope you can play this on his podcast, the only
Speaker 6: tight end in the Superstar Club literally in a classic Have.
Speaker 3: You on his show?
Speaker 6: Maybe I would love to join the Brothers Kelsey, We're
Speaker 6: okay with you. Guys weren't happy about John at the tailor.
Speaker 1: It seemed.
Speaker 3: I just don't really, you know, it seems to go
Speaker 3: skirt the rules of what's happening here just a little bit.
Speaker 3: How so, because I think it's largely based off.
Speaker 1: To prove it to me, it's not. It's not a
Speaker 1: leap in logic.
Speaker 6: It's like he did it and then he had a
Speaker 6: season wrecked by injuries and almost like historic.
Speaker 5: Like okay, so then what about Russell Wilson his performance
Speaker 5: last year?
Speaker 6: Wilson looked like a player and declined, And what about
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott who had an injury and had some you know,
Speaker 6: ups and downs. I think I made my point very
Speaker 6: clear that Deak just kind of seems is leveled off
Speaker 6: at a at a very good level in terms of
Speaker 6: his play. And I don't see that leap too, that
Speaker 6: that next level that it.
Speaker 3: Just feels like someone kind of like snuck Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 3: into the club for the back door.
Speaker 6: That's that's fun, all right, You didn't make a good
Speaker 6: enough case he's staying in the club. How about Shane
Speaker 6: Steichen about Anthony Richardson, how about uh, you know, this
Speaker 6: offensive line coming together and saying that's never happening ever again.
Speaker 6: I could see that and the stars lining and the
Speaker 6: cults are pretty damn competitive next.
Speaker 4: Year them to be competitive. Well made you happen?
Speaker 1: What happened with you? Last last summer?
Speaker 3: Ellen was going off about the cults.
Speaker 5: I can't, I can't go like it was the Colts
Speaker 5: I was hugely high on and then the Broncos so
Speaker 5: I it was just because of death for both franchises And.
Speaker 1: Can I make one more before we sign off?
Speaker 3: Remember when I became a Titans fin.
Speaker 1: That was huge Graver. Graver was not shy about bringing
Speaker 1: it up either.
Speaker 3: No, He's put on online polls on Twitter and stuff
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Like let's let's let's finish up with an online poll,
Speaker 1: simple question, colon, is Ceedee Lamb a superstar? And I
Speaker 1: think this shows the gumption of the old zeuster a
Speaker 1: little bit. The public said.
Speaker 6: Out of almost ten thousand votes, seventy seventy point two
Speaker 6: percent said no, Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 1: Not a superstar.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Only twenty nine point eight said yes, but he is
Speaker 6: in the superstar club. Someone somebody on Twitter replied to
Speaker 6: one of these two poles, like stop having other people
Speaker 6: do your work, you know, decide for yourself. Well take this, buddy,
Speaker 6: stick this in your pipe and smoke it.
Speaker 3: The problem was that tweet came from Ali Bonpori, your editor.
Speaker 3: But also if you don't add CD Lamb just from
Speaker 3: an article writing perspective, you add no one new to
Speaker 3: the club.
Speaker 1: Right, we got a we got your name.
Speaker 3: Twist the dial here. This is how this thing's work.
Speaker 1: And I could listen. I could have done, I could
Speaker 1: have tweaked. Some people put.
Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson in there, but I think integrity was important.
Speaker 6: I kept him knocking on the door, and we slide
Speaker 6: in ceedee Lamb, and hopefully he makes us all look
Speaker 6: good with a fifteen hundred yard season, including a four
Speaker 6: touchdown game and the season finale against the Eagles.
Speaker 5: To take that, I knew that was coming.
Speaker 4: I could see it in your eyes that it was coming.
Speaker 5: I do have to ask, will Garrett Wilson be mentioned
Speaker 5: in your article?
Speaker 1: He will be.
Speaker 6: He'll be the bulk of the article. Right, all right,
Speaker 6: we'll be back on Thursday. Connie, if you can join us,
Speaker 6: please do. If you if you have some summer of
Speaker 6: Connie activities, we'll understand.
Speaker 4: That that's wonderful. I love this arrangement.
Speaker 6: So maybe you see Connie or here Connie on Thursday,
Speaker 6: maybe not. We definitely will have Patrick Clayband with us
Speaker 6: UH to talk some what.
Speaker 3: If I have something you need to do somewhere related.
Speaker 1: You are right here. I'm not going anywhere. If you
Speaker 1: want to talk, your talk, YO. That's that's what that's
Speaker 1: my reply to you. Mark.
Speaker 3: You can't argue with Block, can't. I'm taking that very seriously.
Speaker 1: All Right, We're out of here until next time. Keep
Speaker 1: the call.
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