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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie, and welcome to stuff I've never

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Speaker 1: told you, a production of iHeart Radio. And welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Happy Hour, although I guess it's kind

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Speaker 1: of unhappy Hour because Samantha is not here. She is

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Speaker 1: still recovering and getting ready for vacation. I'm about to

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Speaker 1: go to Las Vegas for the iHeartRadio Music Festival. She

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Speaker 1: would be coming to except she has a birthday and

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Speaker 1: plans already lined up. I will be dog sitting beaches,

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Speaker 1: so that's gonna be fun. And then I'm going on vacation,

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of what is going on. But I

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Speaker 1: think we'll have one more I have to record something

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Speaker 1: in Vegas without her, alas, but after that Samantha will

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Speaker 1: be back. You'll be back better than ever. But yes,

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Speaker 1: I did want to just go ahead and do this

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Speaker 1: since we are trying to get ahead. As always, if

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Speaker 1: you are drinking, please drink responsively for this one. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about an idea I've been wrestling with

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Speaker 1: for a while because I am someone as we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: who really I find some kind of validation and how

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Speaker 1: productive I am and how much I can help, and

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Speaker 1: that can be from just helping you personally, are professionally

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Speaker 1: or yeah, doing things at work. When I'm stressed, I

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Speaker 1: find myself working a lot because it makes me feel better.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I'm not quote wasting time,

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Speaker 1: that I do have value you. And that's sort of

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Speaker 1: the toxicity of capitalism and the morality of how productive

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Speaker 1: you can be. And we've talked about that in several episodes,

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Speaker 1: but that is something that I'm really bad about. And

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Speaker 1: so I was thinking about this when it comes to

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Speaker 1: especially with the stuff going on with the strikes with

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Speaker 1: the actors and writers. I was thinking about this because

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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm worried that when I'm trying to help someone,

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Speaker 1: this right. When someone gets sick, you pick up the slack.

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Speaker 1: When someone has a trip, you pick up the slack.

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Speaker 1: There's no part of me that's mad about that. I

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Speaker 1: want to be a hundred percent clear, and I volunteer

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Speaker 1: to do it. A lot of this I'm doing of

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Speaker 1: my own volition because I want to be helpful. But

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Speaker 1: I worry that that can blur the lines of what

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Speaker 1: how much it takes to get something done, like it's

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Speaker 1: sort of hiding how much work it takes to get

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Speaker 1: something done, and what happens when someone is sick, and

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Speaker 1: I think that it is natural. There's ebbs and flows,

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Speaker 1: especially in this job. I will tell you there are

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Speaker 1: ebbs and flows. There are weeks where I'm slammed and

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Speaker 1: there are weeks where I'm not so slammed. But I

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Speaker 1: worry that there's hidden work. I guess I worry that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff we're doing, and by we,

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of us, not just me, and

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Speaker 1: especially I would say women, that we're just doing because

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Speaker 1: we want to help a friend or we want to

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Speaker 1: help our coworkers, and it never gets raised. You never

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Speaker 1: asked for a raise for you never ask for more

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Speaker 1: money for it, or even and just let people know, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is something that I had to do

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Speaker 1: it's just expected and it's not rewarded in any way

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Speaker 1: be hurting other people by not saying like, oh no, hey,

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Speaker 1: this was a you know, other thing I had to do,

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Speaker 1: And I do feel very lucky. I love my I

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Speaker 1: I get to work with like an amazing team. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that that kind of that's toxic to

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Speaker 1: think that you should be so lucky. You can appreciate

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Speaker 1: that you're lucky, but the idea that you could just

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Speaker 1: And going back to what I was saying, like it's

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Speaker 1: where it's like, well, oh you want this to be good, right, well,

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Speaker 1: then you'll keep working extra hours, or you'll keep doing

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Speaker 1: get paid to recognize for it. And so that's something

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Speaker 1: else I've been trying to be better about. Especially this

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do better about tracking that. Also, we

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Speaker 1: are very much judged on our downloads, so thank you listeners,

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Speaker 1: and we really appreciate you, We truly do. But that

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Speaker 1: can add a pressure too. Of it can be used

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Speaker 1: this many downloads this month, or you didn't do this

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Speaker 1: this month, so that that's like a pressure to continually

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Speaker 1: also think that that you know, expecting something out of

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Speaker 1: they're not communicated towards you, and or if they just

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Speaker 1: don't allow for you to be a human person that

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Speaker 1: sometimes have things come up, then that's an issue. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's necessarily what's going on here. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of this it's just me trying to grapple

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just thinking about it. And here

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Speaker 1: you about it. I'm not there's no specific grievance I

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Speaker 1: really have. I'm just I'm really working through this right

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Speaker 1: now in my mind, and I thought I would share

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Speaker 1: it because this isn't the first time this has happens

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Speaker 1: where no one has asked me to do this, like

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Speaker 1: all of this, and I just do it, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how helpful it is helpful, but also

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Speaker 1: am I really? Who am I really helping? Who? What's

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Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's it's a slippery slope where

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Speaker 1: work because I really like it and I like the

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Speaker 1: people I work with. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be recognized, are compensated, or we should hide how much

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Speaker 1: it does take. I'm sure a lot of this feels

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Speaker 1: very obvious to at of you. That's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just missing Samantha working some things

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Speaker 1: out in my brain. She I want to be one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent clear. She did not ask me to do

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Speaker 1: hear about it. I have heard from friends who feel

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Speaker 1: ever recognizes it. That is something Samantha and I try

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Speaker 1: very hard to be clear about with our team, like

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Speaker 1: please let us know if we're asking too much. But

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Speaker 1: that can be hard to do too, So Christina, let

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Speaker 1: us know. We love you, we don't want to lose you,

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from anybody my thoughts about this.

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Speaker 1: You can email us at Stepania Momsteph at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff. I've never told you.

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Speaker 1: should read books dot com or wherever you get your books.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's all wish Samantha. Hopefully she's her by now,

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Speaker 1: You'll hear my thing with Lauren probably gonna guest co

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