1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: What is up? 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 3: Straight Fire fan? 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: HiT's me Jason McIntyre. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: Straight boyer for Tuesday, August fifth. I had to had 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 3: to check the old calendar there, folks. August just motored around. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: I am occasionally and not gonna lie one of those 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: guys who's like, can you believe it's already August? You 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: know you do that like maybe three out of the 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: twelve months of the year for sure. 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 4: That's me. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: Anyways, we got a great guest today. He covers the 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 3: NFL and gambling. He lives in Vegas. He has a 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: podcast name is Gil Alexander, and you know we talk 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: about survivor leagues, NFL gambling Week one Action. 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: He's a big survivor player. 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: This guy Kill Alexandra, good stuff, sharp individual. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: I like him. 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: He's with Vison. Before we get yet to. 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: Gil, just a couple of quick items, Okay, I found 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: this interesting. So I saw these float quotes floating around 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 3: about Jim Harball visiting one of his players in jail, 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: you know, and Jim Harball said, obviously, as you know 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: it's Jim Harball, He's gonna say great things about him. 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: Love Denzel He's always done right. He's never been in trouble, 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: got a beautiful family, and we'll let the due process 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: play out. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: That's Jim Harble. He visited his linebacker, Denzel Pairman and 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: jail Sunday. Why Saturday afternoon? Oh wait a wait, hold on, 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: maybe Saturday night. I'm sorry, Friday night. Friday night, he 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: was pulled over for vehicle code violations, which usually means 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: like two tint windows were tended too dark. Police discovered 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: to decide to search his vehicle. They discovered five firearms 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: in his car, including two assault style rifles. Five weapons. 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: People coming after Denzel Perrami and I know, listen. Obviously, 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: as an athlete, you are a target. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: He's wealthy. 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: If he wanted to, they could follo him around five weapons. 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: So he had to spend most of the weekend in jail, 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: and then he was released. I guess Monday. Yeah, he 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: was released Monday. So he spent the whole weekend in jail. 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: A starting linebacker on the Chargers. That's wild. I don't 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: the story didn't get much to play. 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: I just heard it out here because I saw somebody 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: I follow on IG posted the quotes about Harball visiting 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: a guy in jail. I was like, the hell, I'm 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: not gonna do the NBA stuff. To ear of Fox's macdeal, 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: Lebron congratulated Luca, I'm not doing that. Before we get 49 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: to gel Alec dinner, I've just got to say. 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: This is crazy. 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: So one of my buddies that I play hoops with 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: sends me this video from a w NBA game, and 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 3: for reasons that I don't understand, someone brought a large 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: I think it was purple mining green sex toy to 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: a WNBA game and in. 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: The middle of the Gabe threw it on the court. 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: Okay, it did. 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: Not make sense. 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: Now, that's happened when I was on vacation, but I 60 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: only heard about it because the guy texted to me. Now, 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: I thought it was either a fake you know a 62 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: lot of this stuff is AI whatever, or be old right, 63 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: So I didn't think anything really of it. And then 64 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: I see the headlines that they got the guy. He's 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: twenty three years old. He faces counts of disorderly conduct, 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: public in decency and decent exposure trespass. 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: It's just absolutely bizarre. He threw a large dildo on 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: the quick. What are you doing? 69 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: Bro? Like I don't totally understand it. I mean, this 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: guy hasn't spoken, so I don't think we have any 71 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: idea what's going on now. According to the story, a 72 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: second sex toy was thrown on the court Friday during 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: a Valkyrie game against the Chicago Sky. So one was 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: thrown Tuesday and then one was thrown Friday, and it's like, 75 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like, I'm just trying to get 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: in the mind of the head, which I should stop 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: right there. 78 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: That's dumb. 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: Why would you even try of someone who decides, yeah, 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna bring a dildo to the game 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna throw it on the court and see 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: what happens. Like what I mean, maybe you're you know, 83 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: baked completely at two in the morning, hanging out with 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: your friends and everybody's that would be hysterical, bro, you know, 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: and people think somehow like in theory, yeah, it sounds 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: kind of funny, but doing that, that's on your record 87 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: now and you go to a job interview, Oh, I 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: see you you were arrested. 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: What was that? 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: Oh I jokingly decided to throw a dildo on the court. Really, 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: do you are you employing that guy at any credible 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: job anywhere. Like we all do stupid things when we're young. 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: That's just I don't. I was stunned when I when 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: I saw the video. You guys should look up the video. 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you had to go out and 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: buy the thing, and then it's not I'm gonna throw 97 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: it on the court at WNBA. 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: I don't. I just I mean it's August. Maybe the 99 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: heat's getting to people. I don't know. 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: All Right, without further ado, let's get to Vson's Gil Alexander. 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 103 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: I know what sports fans want, but for. 104 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 105 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 106 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: guy who knows another guy. 107 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a new guest. 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: I've never spoken to this guy, obviously, I've seen his 109 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: gambling content everywhere. He's currently at Vson, the host of 110 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: a numbers game, Gil Alexander, straight out of Vegas. 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: Gill, how you doing, man, I'm good, Jason. Thanks for 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: having me. I appreciate it. 113 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot for coming on. 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: You've got well researched in the NFL. We'll do a 115 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: lot of gambling talk. I do want to start with 116 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's early August. We've seen one NFL preseason 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: game to date. Is this once things start getting intense 118 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: for you in terms of ramping up or have you 119 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: already done your homework back in July grinding away in 120 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: the salt mines while everybody's vacationing. 121 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I've done. I think, like most betters, 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 4: you have a general idea of what your likes and 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: your dislikes are. Where you think the bets, the good bets, 124 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: are the value bets. But you know, in preseason there 125 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: is a cottage industry of people who really enjoy preseason 126 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: football in terms of betting it. I am not necessarily 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: one of those. There was something I do. I don't 128 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: know how in the weeds with gambling you get, but 129 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: there was. You know, there's a notion that in the 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: past what we would do is we would do three 131 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: team teaser ten point teasers. Oh, because the totals were 132 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 4: so low that if you knocked them down to the 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: low twenties. But you know what, the bookmakers caught onto that, 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 4: and they're not they're no longer widely available. 135 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: It seems a little lot. That's happening a lot now, huh. 136 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: Anytime somebody finds an edge, it just evaporates within like 137 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: a year. 138 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: Well the most stark example of that, and you're right, 139 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, bookmakers are living, breathing folks too, so 140 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 4: they catch on if you find an edge. The biggest 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: thing where that has sort of changed from last year 142 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 4: to this year is alternate season win totals. So, for 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 4: those who don't know, every team obviously has a season 144 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: win total, a preflop season win total as I like 145 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: to call it. And then some books offer alternate ones, 146 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: so like a game and a half higher, a game 147 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: and a half or a game lower, and those have 148 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: been mispriced for years. In other words, the difference in 149 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: just a game they do not price properly. We were 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: getting more bang for the buck that we deserved. And 151 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: if you look at the final NFL standings after every year, 152 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: you see how many teams fall outside of one game 153 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: of what their preseason brieflop season win total was. So 154 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: instead of getting like plus two twenty now on something 155 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: that's one game removed, making it that much harder to hit. 156 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: In other words, instead of over eight and a half, 157 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: you'd have to hit over nine and a half. What 158 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: we're getting now is about plus one eighty, So mathematically 159 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: not as great. 160 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: Not as great of it as Yeah, I'm pretty sure 161 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: you had my guy ta on your pot. 162 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you've had him on last season. 163 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: Ryes. That's how I heard that one. 164 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: So I've known that guy for like seven years, and 165 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: he started listening to my radio show, was tweeting at me, 166 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: and we became friendly. And last year he told me, 167 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I think the best Super Bowl 168 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: matchup is Eagles Chiefs, and I bet it, and I. 169 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: Bet Eagles beating them. 170 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: And when I went and signed up for the contest 171 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: last August, I had that as a bet. 172 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: It was my best hit of the season. I'm just curious, 173 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: do you do. 174 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: Any of those long shot you know, say we had 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: turnoff on Adam turnoff and he had Rams. 176 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: Versus Bills in the Super Bowl? Do you do any 177 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: of those? 178 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm not tying up that much money, but it's 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: a long shot enough that it pays out really good 180 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: if I hit it. 181 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 4: I will usually do a matchup at some point early 182 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: in the season, and one that is what I feel like, 183 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 4: maybe there's a team that's under the radar or is 184 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 4: not necessarily one of the usual suspects. Now, it didn't 185 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: work out last year, right because in fact, Philadelphia did 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: beat Kansas City and the Super Bowl. So you know, 187 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: sometimes you get a little too cute in terms of 188 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: my strategy on that. Cleve Ta, who you're referring to, 189 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: is fantastic on the NFL, and he ended up hitting that. 190 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: He also did very well on a couple of season 191 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 4: lost one award a one season win as well, so 192 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: does a good job with that. But the matchup is 193 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: not something necessarily that I gravitate towards before the season. 194 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a Vegas guy. 195 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: You're looking just simply for the edge and as opposed 196 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: to kind of four fund I mean, we've got like 197 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: a larger audience in terms of who are doing casual 198 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: betting online. 199 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 2: But are there two teams or three or four teams. 200 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: You've identified right now that obviously like the Bills and 201 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: the Ravens, everybody likes them, but the NFC seems a 202 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: little more wide open. That's where I don't want to 203 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: say you're throwing a dart at like one of six 204 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: or seven teams. But anybody stay out so far for 205 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: you in the NFC. 206 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting year in the NFC. Right about that, 207 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: I am. You know the Detroit Lions, who obviously lost 208 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: in dramatic fashion to the Commanders last year in the 209 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: playoffs and sort of flamed out in that game. They're 210 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 4: a very popular pick, but their schedule is super tough. 211 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: Some would counter by saying, yeah, but they have a 212 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: lot of net rest when it comes to their schedule, 213 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: so maybe that counters the schedule being tough from just 214 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: an opposing win percentage standpoint. I actually love a division 215 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: long shot in the NFC, which is the NFC West. 216 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: I think the Arizona Cardinals at north of three dollars 217 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 4: is a pretty interesting choice in the NFC West. Now 218 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: that's a different answer from who I think might win 219 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: the NFC, because I think the NFC is going to 220 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: play out a little like Baseball plays out, which is 221 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 4: to say, you have one hundred and sixty two game 222 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 4: schedule in baseball. So, as Billy Bean famously used to say, 223 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: my blank doesn't work in the playoffs, I think a 224 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 4: team that is really really good over seven team games 225 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: in the NFC is not necessarily the team that will 226 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: win a short one off playoffs. So I think the 227 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 4: Cardinals are really really interesting in the NFC West. Kyler 228 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: Murray has said I was hurt last year. He said 229 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna run more this year. I think he's connection. 230 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 4: I think his connection with Marvin Harrison is going to 231 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: be better. They short up a defense with big free 232 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: agent signings, and I think Matthew Stafford's back's an issue. 233 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: I think the Niners still have to worry about injuries 234 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 4: as Trent Williams is McAffrey going to get through a season. 235 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: And I don't think the Seahawks are as good. But 236 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: to answer your question finally, long babbling here, I think 237 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: that Washington a team that people think, because they won 238 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: so many close games last year, are likely not to 239 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 4: be as good this year, which I agree with. Record wise, 240 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: I think they're the sort of baseball team that everybody 241 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 4: talks about where it's like, oh, but you don't want 242 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: to face the San Diego Padres if they get in 243 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: the playoffs. I think Washington is that team. 244 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird Washington. 245 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: They don't have the hype that I thought they would 246 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: when you have an offseason adding Deebo Laramie Tunseel, keeping 247 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: your coordinators. 248 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: The continuity on that team's ridiculous. I gotta be honest. 249 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: I don't see why they couldn't if they were in 250 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, I wouldn't surprise me at all. 251 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: Would you be surprised? 252 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: No, because I think they're eighteen. I think Jaden Daniels 253 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: is that good. I know a lot of people are like, well, 254 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: it can't possibly good his sophomore year, if you will, 255 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: his second year. I think he is every bit. And 256 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: I'm a DC guy. I know you're a DC guy too, 257 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: So there's a you know, is can I be accused 258 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: of a little homersm here? Maybe full disclosure? But I 259 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 4: think he's pretty special, and I think the league knows 260 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: that he's pretty special. This does not seem like a CJ. 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 4: Stroud that might fall off year two. Jaden Daniels makes 262 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 4: the right decision every time, and in a one off 263 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: playoff system, which is what the NFL is, he is 264 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: the guy you do not want to play. I do 265 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: think Washington they didn't shore up the defense as much 266 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: as they needed to in the off season, but I 267 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 4: think get him into the to the dance that is 268 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: the playoffs, and I think they can go very far. 269 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: It's interesting. So you like Washington, obviously everybody likes Philadelphia. 270 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere, right. You mentioned Arizona. 271 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: The forty nine Ers, I believe have the easiest schedule 272 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: in the NFL. Rams are a sexy Super Bowl pick. 273 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: We'll see Stafford, you know, I don't know how how 274 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: banged up he is. We'll see, or if he's just 275 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: old and managing. But so right out of the gate, 276 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: that's five teams and we didn't even do the NFC North, 277 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: which you know could have three. I mean, you mentioned Lions. 278 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: My guy Ta likes the Packers a lot. I'm bullish 279 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: on the Vikings, although maybe I'm crazy to like JJ McCarthy. 280 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm betting on the coach. It just almost and we 281 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: didn't even get. 282 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: To Tampa and Atlanta. So it feels like the NFC 283 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: is kind of wide open, which which makes it. Do 284 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: you like it when it's like that or not? 285 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: Yes? I do, I do, Indeed, I love it. I Mean, 286 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: we grew up on an NFL years ago that was 287 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: very chalky, right, like the best teams always sort of 288 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 4: got there and then they dominated in the play, whether 289 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: it was a San Francisco team or a Giants or Cowboys, 290 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: and they were sort of beat up on the AFC 291 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 4: team in the eighties and then in the nineties. It's 292 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: sort of with with free agency, a little more parody, 293 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: said it, and I think this is this year, just 294 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 4: as you were saying about the NFC. This feels like 295 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: Pete Roselle's dream of parody. The NFC seems completely wide open. 296 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: I agree with you completely on Green Bay. I do 297 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: think the JJ McCarthy thing is pretty interesting because I'm 298 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: not sure. I'm not sure now. I know, like preseason 299 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: interceptions is not a thing. You know, people make it. 300 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: Oh look that terrible interception this guy through and they 301 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: show up footage he threw five into one day. Jason, 302 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, but that seems statistically significant to me. 303 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: And Patrick mahomestore like seven in a game at Texas Technomo. 304 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: I'm kidding he threw for like seven hundred yards, but 305 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: why couldn't And I'm not meaning this in seriousness, but 306 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: we saw Patrick Mahomes sit out a full season studying 307 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: behind Andy Reid and went in and hit the ground 308 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: running McCarthy was injured, and there's a report that he 309 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: dropped his weight super low, and he's got some off 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: field issues that he's got to tighten up. But with 311 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: a great coach, are goab be the best receiver in 312 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: the league. Isn't there a world where he goes in 313 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: for a thirteen win team and is like, oh, there's 314 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: not much of a drop off here. I didn't think 315 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: Darnold was amazing last year? 316 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: Did you one hundred percent agree with what you sort 317 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 4: of were drifting towards a great point that I make 318 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: all the time, which is holding the clipboard as we 319 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: used to call it for a year or two back 320 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 4: in the day in the NFL was always a spectacular thing. 321 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: Let's just take Washington as an example, and we'll just 322 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: go through these a quarterbacks. Mark Rippon was a Super 323 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: Bowl quarterback with the Washington Redskins in the early nineties. 324 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 4: After holding the clipboard for three years. Trent Green became 325 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: a really good NFL quarterback before he was hurt in 326 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: La Stan Humphries got to a Super Bowl with the 327 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: San Diego Chargers. Down All these guys had the were 328 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: afforded the opportunity to hold the clipboard. This is, you know, 329 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: two three decades ago. In the NFL. Now, because of 330 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 4: the way salaries are structured, because of how much you 331 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: pay rookies, teams don't have that luxury. But in the 332 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: case of JJ McCarthy, he did get to hold the clipboard. 333 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: And more recently we saw this with Jordan Love, Right, 334 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: Jordan Love ended up with a team that he couldn't 335 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 4: start with right away. Obviously Aaron Rodgers was there, and 336 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: so he got to learn. And there is something unquantifiable 337 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: about that that I don't think we talk about enough. 338 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: Whereas most quarterbacks these days, well Will Levis get in there, buddy, 339 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: let's see how it goes, right, There's so much more 340 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 4: of that. So I do think that that's what Minnesota 341 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: hangs their hats on, right, They're hanging their hopes on that, 342 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 4: which is all right, JJ, let's hope he falls into 343 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 4: that category. We're sitting a year and learning actually does well. 344 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: And keep in mind with Sam Donald, you have to 345 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: replace his production and say what we will about Sam Donald. 346 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 4: He was pretty good till the end last year, till 347 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: those last two games. 348 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, till the last two games. 349 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 350 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 351 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeart Radio app search FSR 352 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: to listen live. 353 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: The other thing, Kevin O'Connell. 354 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: I don't know how you can quantify it, but he's 355 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: been amazing as a play caller, as an offensive guru. 356 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm at the herd and Mark 357 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: Sanchez always comes in on the show and I'm picking 358 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 3: his brain because I'm a Jets fan. And you know, 359 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: Sanchez tells me he was in Kevin O'Connell's wedding and 360 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 3: they're tight. And you know, he seems to have a 361 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: good read on the Minnesota Vikings organization. And he's very 362 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: bullish on McCarthy. Now, is that him pumping up his friend? 363 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I just like, I'm Kevin O'Connell's 364 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: like that guy I don't want to bet against. I 365 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: did that like three or four times last year. I 366 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: think I was one and four something crazy. But O'Connell's 367 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: one of these great coaches that maybe I'm too high 368 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: on him because I don't think he has that many 369 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 3: does he have a playoff win yet? O'Connell, Okay, lost 370 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: to the Giants, right, well, yeah, and then they lost 371 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: last show. 372 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: He doesn't even have a plaoff win, and I'm bullish him. 373 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: Are there any coaches that you like, kind of sort 374 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: of want to back a little bit just because you 375 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: like the cut of their jib? 376 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: Uh? My man in Seattle whose name is now escaping 377 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 4: because there's so many Mike McDaniel McDonalds, Mike McDonald, Thank you, 378 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 4: Mike McDonald. I love is a great defensive mind. By 379 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: the way, Minnesota's defensive coordinator right, Brian Flores is a 380 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 4: great coach too. Mike McDonald is a coach that I 381 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: really think is smart. I just think he finds himself 382 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: in a very tough division this year, so I have 383 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: a feeling this year is going to be a struggle. 384 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 4: But thereafter if he's allowed to continue. I think he's 385 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: a really sharp NFL mind, and everybody who's worked with 386 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 4: him thinks as such. I think a little name change here. 387 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: I think, Mike McDaniels, Do I have that right now? 388 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: In Miami? 389 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: In Miami, Uh, that's always get me. He is one 390 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 4: of these guys that I think has a great mind. 391 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: But I wonder if things go a little sideways with 392 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: the Dolphins if he might be a casualty this year. 393 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a spicy take A year's the weird. So 394 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: he's only been there three years, he's made the playoffs twice. 395 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: That they lost in case when it was like negative 396 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 3: thirty degrees, No harm there, right, you lose to Mahomes 397 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: and read at home and the other gamemember Tua was 398 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 3: hurt and they had like I think it was Skyler 399 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: Thompson went into Buffalo, Yes, and I think they covered 400 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: the spread because I, like an idiot, had the bills 401 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: in that one. But I'm like McDaniel's made the playoffs 402 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: two years out of three. Tua was mid at best 403 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: with Brian Floores, they get in a fight, they hate 404 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: each other, Flores gets run out. I don't know why 405 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: people are so down on McDaniel. I'll say this as 406 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: a Jets fan. We haven't even seen Aaron Glen coach again. 407 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: I would take McDaniel and. 408 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: A heart beat over Eric. I just seem like a 409 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: great leader of men. 410 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: I agree with you, And I'm gonna say something that's 411 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: sort of like in the more unquantifiable category, which is 412 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: I think Mike McDaniels suffers from the fact that he 413 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: is not your Dan Campbell raw raw guy, and I 414 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 4: think because he's more of a quirky Some might even 415 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 4: say nerdy guy, which I love, By the way, right, 416 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: I love If you watch the Dolphins on Hard Knocks, 417 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 4: it was fascinating to watch him. But I have a 418 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 4: feeling that if, like I said, if things go sideways, 419 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 4: not predicting that they will, but if they do, I 420 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 4: just think people turn on a guy like that much 421 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: more quickly than they do someone who fits their central 422 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: casting image of a quote coach. I could be completely 423 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: wrong about that. That's just my feeling. 424 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: By the way, is that a market you been into 425 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: at all in August? Like first coach Fire? Do you 426 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: do any dabble in any of that? 427 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? I do. He would be an interesting choice. I 428 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: don't know what his number is, but I would look that. 429 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 4: I bet, I mean everything that to me is a 430 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 4: good bet. I will bet into had Carolina Panthers a 431 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 4: couple of years ago for latest winless team in other words, 432 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: the last team to win a game two years ago 433 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 4: at fifteen to one. That hit. I think that. I 434 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 4: think Coach of the Year is an interesting category this 435 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 4: year where I think Jonathan Gannon of the Cardinals is 436 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 4: a great play at twenty to one. 437 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: Wow thinks Cardinals. 438 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Huh yeah, just because I think they're by the way 439 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 4: the cleave our buddy has Jonathan Gannon just of Adam Right, 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: he's got him too. I think that's if you don't 441 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: if you don't buy into the Cardinals as much as 442 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 4: I do, but you kind of understand the point that, oh, 443 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: if things go the right way, this could be big. 444 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 4: Maybe that's the way you bet that by proxy is 445 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 4: Gannon at twenty to one, because he's the Cardinals are 446 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 4: right in that win total area where they're not terrible, 447 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 4: they're not great, where like you can't really improve on 448 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 4: a great, you know, season win total that much. In 449 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: other words, Sean mcdermot's not winning coach of the Year 450 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: no matter how good the Bills do. But the Cardinals 451 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: are in that pocket where if they overachieve or overachieve 452 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: based on their number, now he will get a big 453 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: look for Coach of the Year. 454 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: Let me ask you you're in Vegas, any thoughts on 455 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: Ashton gent D. 456 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: I think he's a favorite for Rookie of the Year. 457 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: The Pete Carroll situation, you know, I'm not a Geno 458 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: Smith guy, but you know he's the done okay with Seattle. 459 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: Where are you on the Raiders because they seem like 460 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: I think they won seven games last year with arguably 461 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: one of the four worst coaches in the league. And 462 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: now you upgrade a quarterback, you upgrade a coach, you 463 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: get a great running back. Like it feels like the 464 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 3: Raiders have a lot going on. 465 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 4: It feels like they have a lot going on. But 466 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 4: their season win total is six and a half. And 467 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 4: the reason for that is because I don't dispute anything 468 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: you're saying, but the reason for the six and a 469 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 4: half is because they got two against the Chiefs, they 470 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: got two against the Charge, and they got two against 471 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 4: the Broncos. I don't know, are you winning more than 472 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: one of those? What? 473 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: Whoa? 474 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, they do play the Chiefs well, 475 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 4: so they give them that. But let's just say they 476 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: go two and four there, and if you look at 477 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: the rest of your schedule to exceed their season win total, 478 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 4: it's tough to come up with five more. But let's 479 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: say you do even that, you're seven and ten at 480 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 4: that point. So I just I do agree with it. 481 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 4: I think Ashton Gentsy is an interesting pick. It is 482 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 4: a high pick for a running back. So we'll see. 483 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 4: I loved Ashton Genty at Boise Status so many people did. 484 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 4: What was there not to love about him? I don't 485 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 4: know that. I necessarily, when watching him at Boise State 486 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: against Mountain West's defenses, thought to myself, Man, you gotta 487 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: pick this guy in the top six. 488 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: Again. 489 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, no knock on him, right, Yeah, I 490 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: like him. He's but the thing is, he's a home 491 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 4: run hitter, right, He's not a move the chains guy 492 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: and is like a football analytics guy like Aaron Shottz 493 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: will tell you it's much more valuable to have a 494 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: guy who moves the chains than a home run hitter 495 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: in the NFL. So we'll see about that. 496 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Pete Carroll's historically like, hey, we're gonna win 497 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: with defense. I run the ball and just not make mistakes. 498 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if Gino cannot make mistakes, let's stay 499 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: in the AFC. 500 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: I've been bullish on cam Ward, you know. 501 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: I feel like he's the least talked about number one 502 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 3: overall picked probably in the last ten years. All I 503 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: keep hearing is about Shador Sanders and his beating tickets 504 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: and he whatever he's throwing, you know, seven for twelve 505 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: while Dylan Gabriel was eight for nine. 506 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: That stuff is relevant to me. Nobody's talking cam Ward. 507 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: I kind of like the Titans the upgrade for will 508 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: Levis's massive your thoughts on Tennessee. 509 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: I think you're on something there. I think, first of all, 510 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 4: unlike right the Raiders question, Tennessee's in a with apologies 511 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: to the Texans and the Jaguars, they're in a pretty 512 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: and easy ish division, and so there is a there 513 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 4: is a path to greatness there, and a lot of 514 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 4: people are gonna listen to this and be like what 515 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 4: he means. Tennessee, They're terrible, But so much of what 516 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: they were terrible about was not on the defensive side 517 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 4: of the ball, was not the nuts and bolts of football, 518 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 4: but was simply quarterback play. And Will Levis was just 519 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 4: terrible in terms of the mistakes he made. You know, 520 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 4: the other guy in the NFC that people don't really 521 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: sort of you didn't really register in their brains how 522 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: much of a terrible how much his specific terrible play 523 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 4: killed the team last year was Kirk Cousins for all 524 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: his great career, almost single handedly torpedo the Atlanta Falcons. 525 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 4: This is the same with Will Levis and the Titans 526 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: last year. So cam Ward, who a lot of people 527 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: are calling like a Jayden Daniels light if if it 528 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 4: all goes well, let's just put it this way. I 529 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 4: don't know how great he's going to be, but there 530 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: is a lot of room for if he is a credible, 531 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: competent quarterback. There's a lot of room in those standings 532 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 4: for the Tennessee Titans to get better in and who knows, 533 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 4: right in a very weak division where Houston and Jacksonville 534 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: are considered depending on who you asked, and the number 535 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: one or two in whichever order, I'm not sure that. 536 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 4: I'm not so sure that the Titans can't pierce that. 537 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: Interesting sticking in the AFC. GIL. 538 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: Let me ask you, so, I think Kansas City went 539 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: eleven or zero one score games last year. You know 540 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: we had turnoff on here and he was like, listen, 541 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: their wide receiver group was nothing last year. And now 542 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: where she Rice is back, would brown and hopefully stay 543 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: healthy worthy that showed flashes. 544 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: I'm the opposite man. 545 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: I feel like everybody in that division got better than 546 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: the Chiefs. I think the Raiders got better, Chargers improved. Obviously, 547 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: Broncos might have the best defense in the league. 548 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: I see the Chiefs coming back. 549 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: Now I'm taking heat because I said they would miss 550 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: the playoffs, which is probably a dumb bet. I haven't 551 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: actually laid the wager yet, But where are you on. 552 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: Kansas City? Can this mahomes read magic just continue every 553 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: freaking year. 554 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 4: I'm afraid it can't. I think that's the thing. I mean. 555 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: I think, by the way, I think if we said, 556 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 4: too right now, if we said, okay, give me one 557 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: single bet in the NFL, one single bet that appears 558 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: to be the best bet of anything on the board, 559 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: or at least the most straightforward, I would say Kansas 560 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 4: City Chiefs AFC West minus one twenty five. That's what 561 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 4: I would say. And the reason I do is because 562 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 4: they've won the division nine years in a row. And 563 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 4: Chernoff is right, right, nine years in a row, Jason, 564 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 4: Let's not even gloss over that. By the way, they've 565 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 4: been to the Super Bowl five out of the last 566 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 4: six years, Like it's insane. You're right about the one 567 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: score record, right, I think it was twelve and zero, 568 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: including the playoffs of them, if I'm not mistaken, And 569 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 4: then they got crushed in the Super Bowl, and so 570 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: because they got crushed, everybody sort of like puts them 571 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 4: in a different category. You're also right about the Broncos 572 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: and Chargers and Raiders improving. I think the Broncos are 573 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: absolutely a playoff team. I think they got the best defense. 574 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: Bo Nicks certainly shocked the heck out of me and 575 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 4: a lot of people last year. I didn't think he 576 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 4: was going to be all that, and he was great. 577 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: But the wide receiver thing is a big deal. Where 578 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 4: she Rice is coming back, I think any of us 579 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 4: who just decide either out of being I'm not suggesting 580 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: you're being cute with that, but I just think in 581 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 4: order to sort of I think about it on my 582 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 4: show every day. It is like, well, it would be 583 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 4: provocative to say that I don't like the Chiefs here, 584 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: but the truth is I can't go up agains. Yeah. 585 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: I guess two arguments would be, you know, Travis Kelcey 586 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: kind of fell off a cliff there. He had his 587 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: most season as a pro. In the playoff games, the 588 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: final two he was non existent, I mean, like legitimate 589 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: non factor in the per Bowl and then their tackle situation. 590 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 2: I know they drafted the kid. 591 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: From Ohio State and he could be a major steal, 592 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: but like their big acquisition was the kid more who 593 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: was like a swing tackle on the Niners. And I'm 594 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: just like last time I see anytime they're played without tackles, 595 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: like Mahomes gets murdered. And I know the interior is great. 596 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: I'm picking knits obviously, but. 597 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: You gotta go. You gotta go somewhere on some short ledge. 598 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: And let's say we can all sit here and say, 599 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: oh yeah, Chiefs minus three seventy five make the playoffs. 600 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: Lock it up, but empty the bank roll. The kid's 601 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: four one K. 602 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 3: But it's just at some point it's gonna they're gonna 603 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: pull back, right, you'd have. 604 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: To think that hundred percent. At some point it will. 605 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: I just don't think this is quite there. I think 606 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: we're one year. 607 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: Ahead of it, and that sounds very Hey, Black are 608 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: Red and Roulette. Come on, it can't keep going Red Jay, 609 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: it can't. 610 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, you lose your shirt. But all right, like yo, 611 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: let's wrap up with week one. 612 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: I know it's early, but a lot of the handicappers 613 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: that come on here love to say, hey man, week one, 614 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: the first place you look divisional dogs in Week one, 615 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: also teams that didn't make the playoff fors teams that 616 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: did well. I think Dallas Eagles jumps out as a 617 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: big one. Any early thoughts there, I see six and 618 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: a half. Choose probably I'll end up to seven. 619 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, assuming everything goes well with MICHAELH. Parsons right and 620 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: there's no there's no dramatics there. I think you're right. 621 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: I think you're right about that. I think the I 622 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: think that's a lot of points. I you know, the 623 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 4: Eagles are one of these things. By the way, when 624 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: I say Washington is a threat to win the Super Bowl, 625 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 4: I don't think Washington's winning the division. I think Philly 626 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 4: is still but I think but I think Dallas as 627 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 4: Dallas is very stacked. I think the wide receiver edition 628 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: is spectacular with George Pickens, and so I do think 629 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: that getting all those points week one is absolutely the 630 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: play in that game. I also, by the way, same division, Washington, 631 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: which is gonna be Washington along with Denver, is gonna 632 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: be a very popular Week one survivor pick. But in 633 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 4: terms of the points, listen, I the Giants are interesting 634 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: team because on deef I'll say I'm under on the 635 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 4: Giants season win total five and a half. But I 636 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 4: don't think I think it's gonna be one of those 637 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: unders where they're still competitive in games, if that makes sense. Yeah, 638 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: because the defense still has uh let's just go off 639 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: the top of the dome, Thibodeau Lawrence. They added Abdul 640 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: Carter and they still have Brian Burns. That is like 641 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: a great foundation. Now they have to get the secondary 642 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 4: short up for sure. But I'm I'm a Skins guy, 643 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: pardon me, a Commander's guy. I would probably take the 644 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 4: points with the Giants in that one as well. 645 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 646 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 647 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 648 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: listen live. 649 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: I think the Giants might have covered both games against 650 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: them last year. I know they covered one. It was 651 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: twenty one to eighteen. But you make a decent point. 652 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: I mean, if Russell Wilson can recreate what he had 653 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: early with Pickens last year, just lobbing it down the field, 654 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: neighbors wins those contested. 655 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: Bowls, right, and then win with defense, which is what 656 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: Tomlin did. Hey, don't screw it up. Hand the ball off, 657 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: you know, let's let our defense right. Maybe they're plucky, 658 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: you're right. 659 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: And another non playoff team against a playoff team, and 660 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: you know the public loves to hammer those One other 661 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: one had jumped out to me. Oh it was Brown's Bengals, 662 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: which is always feisty. We know Burrow gets out of 663 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: the gate slow. We know that the Browns historically love 664 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: to fight tooth and nail against Cincy. The Browns are 665 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: five and a half point dogs at home. Now, we 666 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: don't know who's starting at quarterback, No, we don't, but 667 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: we do know Burrow he's going to play in. 668 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: The preseason, right, he has said I think he's gonna Yes, yeah, okay. 669 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is there. What you just said about them 670 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: starting slow. They are survivor contest killers. They were last 671 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 4: year weeks one and three. 672 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: Two. 673 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 4: I believe it was the rate of the Patriots week one, 674 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, and then the Washington Commanders week three, 675 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 4: when people didn't think that Jayden Daniels was a thing yet. 676 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 4: But you're right, that's their counter to them starting slow 677 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: is Joe Burrow's I'm playing in the preseason. I'm gonna 678 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: make this happen this year, sort of like justin Verlander 679 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 4: and baseball, he starts throwing slow in April, so they're like, 680 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 4: I'll just pitch more in preseason. The Browns, though, you 681 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: hit on it, it's Kenny Picket, It's Joe Flacco, and 682 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: it's the two kids, Dylan Gabriel and Shdor Sanders. I 683 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: think despite his hamstring injury right now, I feel like 684 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 4: it's Kenny Pickett. And I don't know if you know this, Jason, 685 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett not exactly great at football, so I don't know. 686 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I think a Bengals team full throttle. That 687 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: one scares me a little bit. That one scares me 688 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 4: a little bit because I think the Bengals might do 689 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 4: the opposite of what we're used to. 690 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Week one, you mentioned Survivor. 691 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, uh, you know, we had David Baker on 692 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: who does well in these contests, and he said, there's 693 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: there's like a million dollar survivor. 694 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: Are you entering that one by a chance? 695 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 4: Oh, there's more than a million dollar survivor Circus Sports. 696 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a one hundred thousand dollars buy in some ridiculous. 697 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 4: Oh yes, what you're referring to is is doing something 698 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 4: they called they have dubbed it the Grandissimo. It's a 699 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars buy in. 700 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, yeah, yes, are you doing that? 701 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 4: Oh heck no, I don't. I'll do the one thousand. 702 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: Dollars one yes, yes, yes. 703 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 4: And I'll do that one multiple times with multiple entries, 704 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 4: but one hundred thousand dollars that we're trying to set 705 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 4: an over under as to how many how many entries 706 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: they're actually going to have in this they already think 707 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: they already have eight. I set it at thirty and 708 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: a half. Oh wow, that's my NUMBI you know. But 709 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 4: you know, here's the thing since legalization, since legalization, which 710 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: is twenty eighteen when Passport was ruled unconstitutional, the biggest 711 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 4: thing I've been surprised by, and I think this would 712 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 4: make more sense back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty 713 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: twenty when we first got to see the new Frontier, 714 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: is just how many people seem to have endless disposable income. 715 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: I can't leave somebody, are sure one hundred thousand dollars 716 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: or in this case maybe you have three friends and 717 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 4: you know all four of you go in twenty five thousand. 718 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 2: So that's a good question. 719 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: Okay, So in the pick them with five teams, were 720 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 3: you're picking five games every week? 721 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 4: Right? 722 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: I do that one? You can do that with multiple 723 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: friends because. 724 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 3: Everybody, Hey, you get one game, you get a right 725 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: right survivor if you do it four friends, twenty five 726 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 3: k pop, like what happens if there's disagreement like who 727 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 3: that's for the issue. So I don't know if you've 728 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 3: talked to Baker lately, but he's going to be selling 729 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 3: shares or like a thousand dollars here, and I think 730 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna contribute a little bit because I trust 731 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 3: that guy. 732 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: He's super sharp when it comes to these contests. 733 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: But I'm gonna add not that that he would take 734 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: my advice if I'm only putting in like two grand. 735 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: But I think that Denver Broncos have to be the 736 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: week one pick because they're at home against a rookie 737 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 3: quarterback at altitude right, and if you look at their schedule, 738 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: I don't like taking road teams like I wouldn't take 739 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 3: them in their next two. Then they host Joe Burrow 740 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 3: not sure I want to do that, and they play 741 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: the Jets international game. They do play the Giants in October. 742 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: But I mean, you know how these contests work. But 743 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: Survivor could be done before Halloween. 744 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: Well, and the reason that they could last year, CIRCA 745 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 4: had their normal Survivor a thousand dollars entry. Three weeks 746 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 4: into it. Three weeks ninety eight plus percent were out. 747 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 4: Not never happened before. I mean, there's been sixty some percent, 748 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 4: there's been seventy some percent, but ninety eight percent, and 749 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: then after that it lasted the rest of the year. 750 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 4: So the remaining four hundred plus people, not all of them, 751 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 4: but those four hundred was a trickle down to the 752 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 4: end and there was only like a handful that chopped 753 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: at the end. But the Broncos are absolutely going to 754 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 4: be the number one pick. But the reason that ninety 755 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 4: eight percent get knocked out was because everybody was on 756 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 4: the Bengals Week one last year and everybody was on 757 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: the Bengals Week three last year. So the Broncos are 758 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 4: absolutely going to be the number one pick. I Bill 759 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 4: Washington will be the number two. So there's a game 760 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 4: theory to it. Yeah, you may want to stay off 761 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 4: the Broncos and then pray that everybody gets crushed. 762 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: By Everybody's correct. That's interesting take. 763 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: So you're right, Eagles are six and a half, Washington 764 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 3: six and a half. Those are divisional matchups. By the way, 765 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 3: does that factor into your survivor? Hey, divisional matchups tread 766 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 3: just a little bit cautiously. 767 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 4: You know that's a survivor You know that's a survivor 768 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 4: sort of staple that people cite. Oh, I don't want 769 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 4: to do division matchups, but if you actually look into 770 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 4: the numbers on division matchups, it doesn't really hold up. 771 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: There's nothing okay, yeah. 772 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 4: Doesn't really hold up. Yeah, but that that is a 773 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 4: fear of many though. 774 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well look at me. Look at all Square a 775 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: week one Denverify. 776 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, remember, Jason, the object is not to survive, The 777 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 4: object is to win. The game is misnamed. 778 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I play it the wrong way. 779 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, I take it one week at a time. 780 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 3: I just want to let me win this week and 781 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 3: worry about next week next week. Yeah, most people that's 782 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: a bad strategy though, right. 783 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 4: You know I would love to sit here and tell 784 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 4: you yes, I mean I have said this for years. 785 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 4: That is a that is a add strategy. But the 786 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 4: truth is fine, is that I got knocked out in 787 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 4: the third week last year, last year, so maybe maybe 788 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm not so smart. 789 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like all these guys who game theory and 790 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: are like, oh, no, you gotta save this team for 791 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 3: Detroit week nine. 792 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 2: That's that's gotta save it. I'm like, bro, week nine, 793 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 2: it's two months away. 794 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 4: Well, the biggest yeah, and the biggest advice I can 795 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 4: give is because because what you said in there, there's 796 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 4: a there's a kernel, there's a massive kernel of wisdom, 797 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 4: which is weeks one through three. What that really proved 798 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 4: last year is the smart people who you know then strategize. 799 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 4: They might be smart to do that after the first 800 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 4: few weeks, but the first few weeks, none of us 801 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 4: knows a damn thing. 802 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: Right, it's a good point. 803 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's and that's the thing. And then so point 804 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 4: spreads are preseason prognostications, all that stuff. We're just theorizing. 805 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 4: But until we see these guys on the field playing 806 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 4: the regular season for a few weeks, because remember the 807 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 4: even the preseason is one week shorter now too, Right, 808 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 4: when there were four games, every team used four games 809 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 4: of preseason every team used to follow the same script, 810 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 4: where like they would play their starters in week three 811 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 4: of the preseason, they would have some reps. Now with 812 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 4: three weeks, every team plays it differently. Some teams don't 813 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 4: even play anybody, So it takes a few weeks of 814 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 4: the regular season for us to really get our bearings. 815 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: That's a great point. 816 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 3: I think I saw stat that five teams that were 817 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 3: favored to miss the playoffs last year. 818 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: Ended up making it, and they were all in the NFC. 819 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 3: I think, of course by like the Minnesotas of the world, 820 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: but it was maybe it was. 821 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: An off year, maybe go back to some normalcy. 822 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: Is it possible, It's possible. I mean, I listen, I 823 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 4: don't predict ninety eight percent of survivors are going to 824 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 4: be out in any year in three weeks. But if 825 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 4: it's seventy percent, that's the norm. That's the norm, because 826 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 4: we don't know. That's the thing, even those of us 827 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 4: who this is our job. I think the humility of 828 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 4: the NFL, you know, the any given Sunday, the humility 829 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 4: of being able to say this is the one league 830 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 4: we're early on. We shouldn't get too as Maria's by 831 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 4: our own thoughts. 832 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And it's like, hey man, 833 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: I'm saving Pat Mahomes for Week eight. Mahomes gets knocked 834 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 3: out in week six. 835 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 2: He's done for the season. 836 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 837 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's NFL. 838 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: That's why it's so hard on why we love it, right, 839 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 3: Gil Alexander Viisen the Numbers Game. 840 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 2: He's great. He knows his stuff. Gil, thanks a lot, man, 841 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. 842 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 4: Jason, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.