1 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam. I'm kind of Annie. 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: Stephen, Brian Sexton, and John Oser are with me today. 3 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: It's the third week of OTAs here in Jacksonville. We 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: are inching closer to actual football, but for right now, 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: just helmets and shorts as we watch them at practice, 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: try to get a little bit of an idea of 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: what this new team is going to look like. Let's 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: start out with our big things. Big thing number one 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: is red zone work. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: We see a ton of that. 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: We try to make a lot of those situations and 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: what they do in that exactly. But what we heard 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: from Liam Cohen yesterday was about what he's seen from 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence so far in the red zone. 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: He's actually done a really nice job in the red zone. 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: Really looking back to the first time that we did 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: it last Friday, when we did it, I think he 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: made some quick decisions. You know, everything is sped up 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: in the red air area, when the timing, the rhythm, 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: the space, it's all tighter, it's all sped up. I 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: thought he's done a nice job with his footwork in 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: the red zone, understanding that concept. 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: Ryan red zone, third down, in the red zone, all 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: problem areas for this team last year. A lot of 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: that is going to be on Trevor Lawrence's shoulders to 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: deal with going forward. 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 4: Good to see so far, well, yeah, absolutely, and you 28 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: would expect as he goes into his fifth season that 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 4: every facet of his game, especially those money zone games, 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 4: you know, win the red zone, would be important to him. 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: Two guys though, that I am watching in the red 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: zone this year Brent Strange, the tight end who has 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: great leaping abilities we've seen in the past and a 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: guy with really good hands. And also Tank Bigsby, right, 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 4: I mean, if the Jaguars are going to and people say, well, 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: what about Brian Thomas and what about the Travis Hunter. 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: But there's two guys I think that will help the 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: quarterback more than anyone else, and that is Tank's ability 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: to punch it in and Stranger's ability to get open 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: while other people are focused on number seven or number twelve. 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: If those two guys can lift their game in the 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: red zone, I think it'll help Trevor Lawrence. 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, it should overall be a better red zone team. 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 5: For one of the guys that Brian mentioned as well, 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior. I think he's going to continue to 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 5: be more of a go to guy there. Look, you're 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 5: at the point now in OTAs and with a new 48 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 5: regime where they've been around these players for a while. 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 5: My understanding is the last couple of weeks Trevor Lawrence 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 5: has really impressed. 51 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 6: The people who are working with them. 52 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: Not that they didn't expect to be impressed, but you're 53 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 5: at that point now, Brian, where there's two or three 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 5: months in. They're getting a feel for study habits, they're 55 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: getting a feel for want to work ethic. Those are 56 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 5: all things that when people come in they want to 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 5: know about a guy. You can hear it, but you 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 5: got to see it high end stuff from Trevor Lawrence. 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 5: I my understanding he's improved dramatically the last couple of 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 5: weeks in terms of what they want from him. So 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: Red Zone's part of that, but overall, Uh, the last 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: couple of weeks have been really encouraging for the quarterback. 63 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: Very good switch to the defensive side of the ball. 64 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: Our second sig thing today is gonna be weigh and 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: we've made note of it here on this program. Some 66 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: of the defensive players have lost weight. They look significantly 67 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: a little bit more athletic, out there. Josh Heinz Allen 68 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: talked yesterday about what's going on with him. 69 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 7: You know, my mindset was always you know, to be 70 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 7: as dominant, but you know it was a little obviously 71 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 7: holding a little bit more weight kind of you know, 72 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 7: puts a. 73 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 6: Little bit more wear and tear on the body. 74 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 7: And just you know, it was a lot too much. Again, 75 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 7: learn to adapt, got to know know what works that's 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 7: for you. Something I tried and something that I'm like, alright, 77 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 7: I probably don't want to do that again. 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, John Josh said yesterday he played at two eighty 79 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: five last year. 80 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't wanna do that again. 81 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: I think just from what we've seen, he looks a 82 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: little bit more healthy, says he's feeling better. Does this 83 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: mean we're gonna see some better play from him too? 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 6: Yeah? 85 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 5: Where start here? Look, a lot of guys were asked 86 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 5: to put on weight last year. Last year is behind them, 87 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 5: but it's pretty clear that that did not work. This 88 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 5: regime is taking the approach of they want these guys 89 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 5: feeling as good as they feel physically going in. Whether 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 5: that's a two sixty five to eighty five to eighty 91 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 5: five for Josh Allen, I think everybody watching last year 92 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: saw that Devin Lloyd was ballooned up, Josh Allen was 93 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 5: ballooned up, and you sort of thought, Okay, what's going on. 94 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 6: Uh, they tried something last year. 95 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 5: It clearly didn't work, and Brian, they're being as nice 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 5: as possible. That's Josh's nice way of saying, thank god, 97 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: I don't have to do that again. Right. 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: There are players that add weight. There's a story about 99 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: the Ravens pass rusher today adding twenty pounds to his 100 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 4: frame because he wanted to be stronger when the season 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: got into the November and December range. So guys try it, 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: they go up. And both of those guys looked good 103 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 4: last year in terms of physically they were impressive. But 104 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: Josh was two sixty five the year before when he 105 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: had seventeen and a half sacks and set the single 106 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 4: season franchise record. So clearly finishing was trouble last year 107 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 4: for him because at two eighty five he this didn't 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: feel it. 109 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: John. 110 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 4: As I look around the NFL, how many pass rushers 111 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: are fifteen sack guys in the two hundred. 112 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 6: And eighty eighty five range? 113 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: Not many? I mean, Miles Garrett stands out as a 114 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: guy who can play fast and explosive weighing that much, 115 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: but most of the rest of the guys are in 116 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: the two sixty five range. So the smile on both 117 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 4: Trayvon's face last week and Josh yesterday when they talked 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: about being able to play back down two sixty five 119 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: two seventy, I think tells the whole story. 120 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 6: Yeah. 121 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 5: Ka, it seemed like last year's philosophy was if it 122 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 5: ain't broke ad weight, which was. 123 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 6: They're not doing that again. 124 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 5: I have every confidence that you will see a motivated 125 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 5: fit Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker and again minunderstanding is 126 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 5: this new regime and it takes time for new people, 127 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 5: even when you've heard about people to get used to it. 128 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: They love what they've seen from Josh and Drama absolutely. 129 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be twelve 130 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: on defense. We know that track Tunner is going to 131 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: play both ways. Primarily he will be featured as a 132 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: wide receiver as far as open practices. So far in 133 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: OTAH we haven't seen him play defense. He has been 134 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: a part of some of the defense on different days 135 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: of OTAs, and head coach Leen Cohen talked about what 136 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: he's seen. 137 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: We were in the red area last on Friday and 138 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 3: didn't end up making any like plays on the ball, 139 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: but just the movement skills and some of the man coverages, 140 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: the feel and zone, you can definitely see how natural 141 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: it is for him. Still learning, still growing, still trying 142 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: to learn the calls as much as possible, but when 143 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: you see him just in the actual seven on in 144 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: team setting, A doesn't look out of place by any means. 145 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: Brian, We've been able to see what he's done with 146 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: the wide receiver so far, but now hearing that you 147 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: know dB might be even more instinctual to him and 148 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: just kind of easier for him in general. 149 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: That's good to hear as well. 150 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: Well as the Jaguars drafted to him and talking to 151 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 4: people around the league who had studied him, his ball 152 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 4: skills were considered elite and everybody thought that just bent 153 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: on the defensive side, But he had four interceptions last 154 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: year for Colorado and is a guy whose ball skills 155 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 4: on the defensive side appear to be just as good 156 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: as the offensive side. And listen when you watch him 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: move right, whether it's coming off the line or breaking 158 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: off on a route or just walking out into the field. 159 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: The guy just moves different than everyone around him. He 160 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: just has a way about him that says that everything 161 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: feels natural to him. 162 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 5: John, Yeah, they knew coming into this, based on what 163 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 5: they had on their conversations with him before the draft, 164 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: that the challenge was going to be keeping him from 165 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: overdoing it and trying they want to limit his snaps. 166 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 5: They knew coming in that was going to be hard 167 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 5: on defense. After the first couple of times seeing him, 168 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 5: the thought is, it's going to be even harder. He 169 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: wants to be doing everything and when you see him 170 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: fail the ball and make plays on the ball on defense, Uh, 171 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 5: it's gonna be a challenge for them to not get greedy. 172 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 6: The candy jar is sitting there. 173 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: How do you keep from taking a piece out every 174 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: time you pass and go down the hallway. Uh, that's 175 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 5: gonna be the challenge with Travis Hunter because he wants 176 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: to do it, and Uh, everywhere he is, he makes 177 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 5: you that much better. 178 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 6: So good luck keeping him off the field. 179 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: It's a good problem for the Jaguars to have. Stay 180 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: with us here. 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna do a deep dive into the defense and 182 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: tell you what is gonna be different about the team 183 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: this year. Today episode of Jack Van Brock you by 184 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: Fresh from Florida. It's always in season. 185 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 7: I mean I think we have it just as well, 186 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 7: including myself. I think just you know, being in a building, 187 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 7: being here, being with the guys, getting the communication from 188 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 7: the coach's mouth is always huge. Uh. You know, the 189 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 7: coaches have been awesome, very communicative. Uh you know, they 190 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 7: want to they want to get us better, they want 191 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 7: to be involved, they want to they want us to be. 192 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 6: For each other. 193 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 7: And you can tell by the passion that to give 194 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 7: each and every day. Uh, you know, I love it 195 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 7: a group of coaches that you know, I want to 196 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 7: sacrifice my body for and and give it all I can. 197 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 7: So you know, I'm excited for what for what does 198 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 7: year at Brenzos. 199 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: Josh Hain's down Wighan on the new coaching staff here 200 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. Obviously, you know there was tons of offseason changes, 201 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: but on the defensive side of the football. 202 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: We're going to focus in a little bit on that today. 203 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: This is the first time we've seen Josh here for 204 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: OTAs in a while. He's taken the last two seasons off, 205 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: but he said it was important for him to be 206 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: here this year for a couple of different reasons, but 207 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: it is good to see almost one hundred percent full 208 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: buy in and that everybody's here to work with the 209 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: new coaching staff. 210 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 4: Well, he made that connection, the Kentucky connection, I think 211 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 4: is what he called it yesterday, having been in Kentucky 212 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: and Liam Cohen had been in Kentucky, and so there 213 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 4: were conversations about getting those two guys together, and and 214 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: the other thing that Josh talked about was short of 215 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: the evolution right his family and his time, and it 216 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: was a good year for him to be here, and 217 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: it was a good year for Liam to him here. 218 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 5: I loved when Josh was talking about Camp defensive quarter 219 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 5: Anthony camp Now they say he's a lot, and he 220 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: laughed in the sense that everybody who has met Anthony 221 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: Camp they would say he's a lot in the best 222 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: way possible, like this is a guy who's fiery. Trayvon 223 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 5: had mentioned it last week. There's a genuineness when they're 224 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 5: talking about it. I had Eric Armstead on the ozone 225 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 5: podcast and he said the same thing. They know that 226 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: Anthony Campanelli cares about them. That comes through. It's the 227 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 5: first thing that Anthony Campanelli talked about when I interviewed 228 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 5: him Ace when he first got here in January. There's 229 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: genuinous about him. Players are responding to this staff, and 230 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 5: I know fans out there saying, well, they respond to 231 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 5: every staff. Okay, maybe, but in this case, this feels 232 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 5: real and here's a real energy. I asked Armstead hey 233 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: about the scheme, what's different. He's like, the scheme is 234 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 5: pretty much the same for linemen. They've got these guys down. 235 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 5: They believe in what's going on. I think you're gonna 236 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 5: see that front be a little more like what we 237 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 5: hoped it would be last year when they brought Armstead in, 238 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 5: when they had Trayvon and Josh coming off great years. 239 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: It feels like that's ready to happen. 240 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: You know. 241 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: As I watch that defense, and especially coach camp on 242 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 4: the field, I'm reminded of last November. Before the Packers game, 243 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: both Tony Bisselli and Jeff Logman just went on and 244 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: on with how impressed they were with not just the 245 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: scheme that Green Bay ran, but the way that the 246 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: players ran it, how dialed in they were on all 247 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 4: of their assignments, and rarely did the Packers defenders make mistakes, 248 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: and they both thought it was a testament to the 249 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: coaching style and the effort. So when I watch him, 250 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: I go back to that conversation because man, it's exciting 251 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 4: to think that maybe this defense could be as effective 252 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 4: as that one. 253 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting the way they've responded and how tight 254 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 5: knit it feels going into this. It's only June, but 255 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 5: you'd rather be saying that than not saying that. 256 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: I always found it funny too when Josh Heinzeln said 257 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: someone's a lot, because Josh is a. 258 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 6: Lot, right, but I mean and takes one to know one. 259 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 5: Josh clarified it very quickly to say that he loved it. 260 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 5: You know the players when you meet camp, you know 261 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 5: the players first reaction is going on, what what was that? 262 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 5: And then after a couple of days like, oh, that's 263 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 5: the real deal, and so it's pretty cool. 264 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: Johnny mentioned that those one podcasts. 265 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: He talked to Eric Armstead this week, and Eric actually 266 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: cleared up some of what happened last year. Obviously, he 267 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: was playing out of position a little bit on the edge, 268 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: which he had done before but primarily had been a 269 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: defensive tackle, and he commented on kind of how that 270 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: came to be. 271 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 8: You know, when they presented the plan to me, I 272 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 8: was like, Okay, let's let's do it if if that's 273 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 8: you know, the best plan that you guys see fit. 274 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 8: And then sorely into the season when we were in London, 275 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 8: I went to them and I said, you know, I 276 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 8: don't think it's necessarily working out. You know, I feel 277 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 8: like I can have bigger impact on the team if 278 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 8: I'm playing more inside from you know, a better pass rusher, 279 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 8: and I'm on the field, you know, with Josh and 280 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 8: Trayvon and the rest of the guys, And at that time, 281 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 8: looking at the roster, it didn't happen, even though I 282 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 8: expressed that that's something that I wanted to do when 283 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 8: I thought that would be better for the team. 284 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: John that was kind of a contentious situation. Obviously a 285 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on in defense last year, but 286 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: it does give me a little bit of hope in 287 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: terms of what we're gonna see from Eric, Arms said, 288 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: I can kind of wash some of last season away 289 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: in the sense of I think what we get this 290 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: year will be very different. 291 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, I always hesitate to say that I know what 292 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 5: happened in a situation like that, so Eric told his 293 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: side or you know, this is what he saw. And 294 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 5: I don't know that we'll ever know the nuances of well, 295 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 5: you needed to play this and we wanted you to 296 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 5: play this, and that's fine because we're moving on from it. 297 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 5: I think the interesting thing he said a couple of things. 298 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: He had never really been a part time starter before, 299 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 5: and he's looking forward to being on the interior, starting 300 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 5: getting into the rhythm, being where he can impact it. 301 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: And it seems like that is a path to getting 302 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 5: the most out of him. I think he can be better. 303 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 5: He showed at times Brian when he was playing inside 304 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 5: that he could still be effective. I asked him he 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: must to play five or six more years at his age. 306 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 6: More power to him if he can. I wonder. 307 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: How long a player of his age has for that 308 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: peak performance. What you hope for the Jaguars is he 309 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: has a couple more years where he can come together 310 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: and be what he was for what he is now, 311 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: which is on this team. 312 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: Well, last season felt so disconnected, disjointed if you will, 313 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: because his best seasons kay in San Francisco, where he 314 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: had multiple ten plus SAX seasons. We're all on the 315 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: inside and the word that we got was he'd had 316 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 4: that knee injury at the end of the twenty twenty 317 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: three season and wanted to move outside a little bit 318 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: to maybe take some of the pressure off that so 319 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: he could play longer. But clearly he's a guy just 320 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: One of the best defenses in Jaguar's history was two 321 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: thousand and seven, and they had Marcus Stroud and John Henderson, 322 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: two massive bodies inside with length and power, and they 323 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: were so disruptive they made everyone's job easier. Well, if 324 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 4: you can imagine taking Eric Armstead at six foot seven 325 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: and putting him next to Mason Smith, who Josh Allen 326 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 4: told me yesterday has really looked good so far and 327 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: has worked hard this offseason, and have that kind of 328 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 4: of a presence on the inside, and mix into Von 329 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: Hamilton and perhaps Jordan Jefferson, You've really got a solution 330 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: to what has ailed this team on the inside. And 331 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: Armstead has the length that if he's pushing the passer 332 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: back John, he can also get his hands up and 333 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: make the passing lane shrink. That could create more opportunities 334 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: for takeaways, and we know how few of those there 335 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: were last year. 336 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: Eric talked about, you know wanting to play more because 337 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: of the rotation style that they had last year. Josh 338 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: and Trayvon have weighed in on that as well. Cohen 339 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: talked yesterday about the importance of having a balance between 340 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: giving them some rest but also playing your best players. 341 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a balance of keeping guys 342 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: fresh and wanting you know, you always hear the term 343 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: waves of rushers, but ultimately you've got to have your 344 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: best guys on the field as much as possible, and 345 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: especially in those money downs, whether it be in the 346 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: third downs, known passing situations, and in the red zone. 347 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: Right So, I do think it's a balance, but ultimately, 348 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: if they're in the physical shape to be able to 349 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: do it and to play down in and down out consistently, 350 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: that will be really important for us. Those guys are 351 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: going to have to be in elite shape. They've done 352 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: a great job of getting to that point thus far, 353 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: and think that there are you know, on track to 354 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: do those things. 355 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: In this fall, we talked a little bit about their 356 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: change in physical appearance, dropping some of the weight, hopefully 357 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: playing more as much as josh Aun Zalen and Draymonk 358 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: Walker can be on the field. 359 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I would like to see that. 360 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we learned last year how little they liked 361 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: the rotation. Right, it did very long in some of 362 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: the pieces. You quickly figured out that they wanted to 363 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: be on the field. I would listen to them. They're 364 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 4: listening to their bodies. They'll know when they need a break, 365 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 4: and they'll do what it takes to be at their 366 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 4: best in the fourth quarter and in the second half 367 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: of the season. 368 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to rotate some on the defensive line. 369 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 5: No defensive lineman plays one hundred percent of the snaps. 370 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 5: What was curious at times last year wasn't so much 371 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 5: the amount, but it was the win, you know. So 372 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 5: and I didn't mind the defensive line rotation conceptually, but 373 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 5: when you had your key guys off the field and 374 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 5: the big downs, that's when eyebrows were correctly raised. 375 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the secondaries. Well, obviously 376 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: it was a huge issue for the team last year, 377 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: giving up those big plays and busted coverage. We've seen 378 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: but a lot of new additions in the secondary, a 379 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: lot of maybe position changes potentially as well. Liam Cohen 380 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: wade in on what he's seen from them so far. 381 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: Man, they've got their hands on a lot of balls 382 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 3: so far. I mean, just having some more vision on 383 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: the quarterback and some of the zone coverages and shoot 384 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: when we've been able to play man. It's something that 385 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: they've been doing for quite some time last year, and 386 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 3: so they've done a nice job. And man, I think 387 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: Tyson's done a nice job with his hands and feet 388 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: at the second and third levels. You saw him on 389 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: Tariff make a nice play again today. He's been steadying, consistent. 390 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: You know, that whole group has done a really good job. 391 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis, Jarion Jones, that whole crew of guys. It's 392 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: been competitive. It's been a learning curve obviously, you know, 393 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: when you're used to playing so much man, going back 394 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: and playing a little bit of zone, as it sounds, 395 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: could be a little bit challenging based on where your 396 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: eyes are and the discipline things like that. I think 397 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: they've done a nice job though so far. 398 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: Johnny made a lot of what the secondary couldn't do 399 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 2: last year. There's a lot of new faces out there. Obviously, 400 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: Travis Hunter will be in the mix as well. Jordan Lewis, 401 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: I feel like has been a great leader for that group. 402 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: Talked a little bit about working with Jarian Jones and 403 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: Jan Jones maybe on outside a bit more this year. 404 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: From what we see, well, it sounds like you're get 405 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 5: me on the outside a lot more. That's where they 406 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 5: on them. It's a group that still feels Tyson Campbell's 407 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 5: definitely a lock, and they love Jordan Lewis, who they 408 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 5: signed in free agency. Eric Murray is clearly going to start, 409 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 5: and Dewey Andrew Wingard appears right now to. 410 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 6: Be the other safety. 411 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 5: I'd still be a little surprised if Caleb ransaw It 412 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 5: doesn't come in and be a factor there. I don't 413 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 5: know that they're necessarily done in the secondary in this sense. 414 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 6: They left space. 415 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 5: James Gladstone talked about leaving space all over the roster 416 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 5: for different young players to show they belong. I think 417 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 5: they're still trying to find That wouldn't surprise me if 418 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 5: there was another secondary, maybe a corner added as they 419 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 5: figure out how they want to use Travis Hunter. 420 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 6: How much that what that's going to look like. They've 421 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 6: done a nice job of sort of staying over. 422 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: Their feet as they build the roster. They could still 423 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 5: do a veteran or let somebody come along who's here 424 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 5: and developed. 425 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: But the key to me is obviously Tyson Campbell. They 426 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 4: paid him last year like an elite level corner and 427 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: in each of the last two years Ky he struggled 428 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: with some hamstring injuries. He's having a nice off season, 429 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 4: whatever that means to you. Until we get into pads 430 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 4: and until it's day in and day out on the 431 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 4: practice field in August, will we see if that hamstring 432 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 4: holds up this year. But he really does look good 433 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: out there and running with Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter. 434 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: That's going to bring out the best to you. I mean, 435 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: that's going to make you want to be sharp. And 436 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: he really has been sharp. You heard the head coach 437 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: talk about his hands. He's knocked away some balls and 438 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 4: then knocked the ball out after it appeared that the 439 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: receiver has made a catch. I think it's very promising 440 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: what Tyson Campbell has brought to Ota so far, and 441 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see him in August. 442 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: Tyson is very effective when he's available. There is a 443 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 2: new strength and conditioning staff here with the team. That's 444 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: going to be a focus, I believe of the Hunt 445 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: coming up there working a lot with that. They've changed 446 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: a lot of different things, and obviously there's a new 447 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: focus with Travis Hunter about playing him on both sides. 448 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: What that's going to entail, So that'll be something to 449 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: keep an eye on throughout the and how that works 450 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: in tandem with the coaching staff. So stay with us 451 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: here on Jagsam. Coming up, we're going to continue our 452 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: look around the AFC South. We're going to check in 453 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: on the Titans and see what they're doing. 454 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: Move the freight, Move the freight. 455 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: Magellan Transport voted the coolest office space in Jacksonville. You 456 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: can check them out at Mgellanlogistics dot com. A little 457 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: bit about what's going on in the AFC South. We 458 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: talked last week a little bit about what was going 459 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: on in Indianapolis with the Colts. Now we're going to 460 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: check in on the Titans. Obviously big story of the 461 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: off season. Number one pick didn't have a great season 462 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: last year, as well as the Jaguars in neither but 463 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: Titan's number one pick. They went with cam Ward at quarterback, 464 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: trying to get their quarterback situation figured out after not 465 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: having things work out with Will Levis Brian. 466 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: How quick or how effective can. 467 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: A rookie quarterback be right out of the gate when 468 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: there are some other. 469 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: Issues going on, and so the offensive line obviously is 470 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: an issue there. Spent the last two years they have 471 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: drafted you Latham and Peter Skronsky, two offensive linemens, so 472 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 4: they've been working. But this year they were kind of 473 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: bringing in guys like Kevin Zeitler and Dan Moore, you know, 474 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: older players, to try to shore everything up. 475 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 6: Awards a talented guy. 476 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: But John, I don't think he was a guy that, 477 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: if he had been on the board with other quarterbacks 478 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 4: taken in recent years, would be number one overall. I mean, 479 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: I think it's a bit of a projection. 480 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 5: No, he was, as much as he can be, pushed 481 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 5: up the board. He was not considered the best player 482 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 5: in the draft, whereas or even the best prospect you've 483 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 5: got his position, but the quarterback pushed him up. Look, 484 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 5: I think he's going to be good. Everything you hear 485 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 5: about him is he's a good kid, a worker. So 486 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: I think he'll be successful elite. 487 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 6: I don't know that the Titans. We know something about dipping. 488 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 5: Down to the bottom of the league around here, like 489 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 5: we've seen this happen. The Titans haven't dipped that often. 490 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: They dipped way down. They were, along with the Jags, Patriots, 491 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 5: a couple of teams really down. So it still feels 492 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 5: like they're at that point. And again, we've seen this 493 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 5: too much around here, where there's a little bit of 494 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: clawing up to do one year before you get to 495 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 5: a point where you can really accelerate. And when you 496 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 5: hear about the offensive line right here about, you know, 497 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: they sunk more than they're used to up there, and 498 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: I think they still feel like there's a little bit 499 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 5: of building. They're not ready to accelerate yet. 500 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: I don't think well and objectively, they were trying to 501 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 4: change their entire personality. 502 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 6: Last year. 503 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 4: It had been built around Derrick Henry. That offensive line 504 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: didn't have to be elite with Derek Henry back there 505 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 4: because he could hit anything and make his own holes 506 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 4: in many cases. So last year, I don't know what 507 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: was easy to take a good, in depth look at 508 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: the Titans and not acknowledge the fact that their personality 509 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 4: for so many years was gone. Now Kim word comes in. 510 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: They're modernizing their offense. They're going to be a passing team, 511 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 4: so it might two years. They've got to get some players. 512 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: Everybody talks about identity not all teams have an identity. 513 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 5: For years under a vaybel with Derrek Hendrick defense, they 514 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 5: had an identity, and it's sometimes harder to change your 515 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 5: franchise when you're coming from a clear identity, because now 516 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 5: you've got to be something different. 517 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 4: Well, they were always a team, going back to Eddie 518 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: George in the day, that beat you up at the 519 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: line of scrimmage because they would punish you with their 520 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: big backs, and they just don't. 521 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 6: Have that guy right now. 522 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: Talked a little bit about the offensive line, but diving 523 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: into that a little bit, we're gonna see jac Latham 524 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: is moving to right tackle this year. They brought in 525 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: Dan Moore from the Steelers whole play left tackle, and 526 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: then just in terms of you know, Lloyd Cushionberry who 527 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: they signed injuries for them, there's not a ton of 528 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: depth there on the offensive line, so that could be 529 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: an issue as well as they've shared up maybe the 530 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: starting five, but that's if they say the starting tis Well. 531 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: The good news for them is that their quarterback is 532 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: very mobile. If you watched Miami at all last year, 533 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: you understand he's not a run first quarterback by any means, 534 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: but he's a guy who can extend the pocket and 535 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: stay alive to make throws, and he certainly has the 536 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 4: power in the arm to get that done. But again, 537 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: when you talk about the personality of the Titans, it 538 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: was always set up front with their offensive line, and 539 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: they're going to have to figure out, you know who, what, 540 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: we're when and why. 541 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 6: Ye and I'm drawing a blank. He was there for 542 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 6: a long time. 543 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: They had a couple of linemen even with Henry, who 544 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 5: were sort of the spokesman for their team. Well, Taylor 545 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 5: Lewan was yeah, good, So I was trying to think 546 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 5: of so they were really the identity. And since those 547 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: guys have sort of declined and left again, we know 548 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 5: from around here how hard it can be for a 549 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 5: franchise when it's trying to find that footing, to find it, 550 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 5: and they still feel like a franchise that is in 551 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 5: the process of finding their footing. 552 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: When we talk about that. Obviously, we've seen some changes here. 553 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: They got a new GM over the off season in 554 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: Mike Bergonzi. 555 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: They fired Ran Carthon. 556 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: Obviously, Brian Callahan's going to be in his second season, 557 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: But again, how much leash will he be getting. 558 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Obviously he's got his quarterback now. 559 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: But you know a lot of people are impatient in football, 560 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 2: so he may be on the here as well. 561 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 4: Brand Yeah, you know, because the general manager did not 562 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 4: bring him in. But Callahan is a guy who has 563 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: been well thought of, so I think they'll give him 564 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: some time, especially with the quarterback coming in as a rookie. 565 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. Calvin Ridley is still there 566 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: down the field threat and we've seen him each of 567 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: the last two seasons. He's not Brian Thomas Junior. I mean, 568 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: it's not like you're giving this young quarterback a legitimate 569 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 4: number one weapon, So I think they're gonna have to 570 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: give him some time to figure it out. 571 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, we don't cover the Titans, so it's 572 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 5: hard to know the absolute specific dynamics of a franchise 573 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 5: unless you're around it. But I know they're not used 574 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: to being at the bottom. Nobody wants to be used 575 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 5: to being at the bottom. But when you're sort of 576 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: used to getting better quickly, which they are, that makes 577 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: you wonder. You know, it's a project with a with 578 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback, but is there thought within the franchise. Hey, 579 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: we get that it's a project, but we still need 580 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 5: to get to seven or eight and show something, or 581 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 5: do they believe, Hey, we know with the project that 582 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 5: we may have one more year of drafting at the top. 583 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 5: I don't know what the answers are there. Patience in 584 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 5: the NFL has changed since I started covering at ninety five, 585 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 5: just a little bit. 586 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Just a little bit more impatient. 587 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: Says here will tell you what's coming up the rest 588 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: of the week. 589 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 9: Let's go back to the start. 590 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 6: You know, it's a big upside, dude, basically. 591 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 9: Saying, Hey, one of the trademarks of our leadership group 592 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 9: is that when there's an opportunity to be bold, we 593 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 9: won't flinch. 594 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: You know. 595 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 9: I don't know that there was much expectation as much 596 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 9: as it was just curiosity. People will learn pretty quick 597 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 9: once we start making legit decisions that we know what the. 598 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 6: James game to leave and iris who was after him? 599 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 8: Maybe he says, you think about maybe bring your phone 600 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 8: call the. 601 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 9: Cleveland Regardless of how things fall, well, I love in 602 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 9: a position to be better tomorrow than award today. 603 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 6: Pretty much immediately, at least in my mind's on why not? 604 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 9: The night's still good for the same timing executing it. 605 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds good. 606 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: It wasn't at our mercy, but there was confidence that 607 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: it wouldn't be able to get done. 608 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 6: A lot of people said, bell boy, you gave it 609 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 6: a lot. My response is did we We got the 610 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 6: best player? That time will tell me it was a 611 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 6: small price to pay. 612 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: Let's make history. 613 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: Let's girl fear of the unknown. 614 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 9: That can be an inhibitor. 615 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 8: Misgiving thumbs up on ours. 616 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 9: In the moments that I didn't take action out of 617 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 9: fear I had looked back at and regretted. 618 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 7: Hey, Travis is James Gladstone with the Jacksonville Jaguars. 619 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 9: How you doing for the rest of my life when 620 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 9: there's an opportunity for me to face fear that challenge? 621 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 6: Because you're the one we've been hunting up the best 622 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 6: a bit. 623 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 9: I'm hopeful that that brings with it positive results, but 624 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 9: only time will tell. 625 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: The latest piece of cinema from the Hunt sing here 626 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: at Jaguars Productions, all behind the scenes and a little 627 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: bit of how it came to be the trade up 628 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: for Travis Hunter. We've got some very cool access into 629 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: that and kind of hearing them talk behind the scenes. 630 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: That new episode came out last week. If you haven't 631 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: checked it out. 632 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: You definitely want to kind of see the inner workings 633 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: of how things can been going with new GM James Gladstone. 634 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: The more you hear, the more that you watch the 635 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: behind the scenes stuff, the more that you understand the 636 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 4: way that he and Biselli and Cohen think and work together. 637 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 4: The more excited it is, the more easy it is 638 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 4: to be excited about what's coming. 639 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, we've made this point on this show, and you're 640 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 5: exactly right, So I'll go a different direction. 641 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 6: I think maybe fans who. 642 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: Watch the Hunt might get a little spoiled and not 643 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 5: realize how ridiculously transparent this is. I don't know if 644 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 5: this is the way the league's going, but I know 645 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 5: for Jaguars fans, and I'm saying all this to credit 646 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 5: the front office for allowing this. 647 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 6: Sort of access. It's really cool. 648 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with it that this league has not 649 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 5: always been a league where front offices want to let 650 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 5: fans behind the scenes. It's really good stuff, and don't 651 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 5: think that you're seeing it everywhere. 652 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: This is unique, very cool. 653 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: All Right, the rest of the week, a couple more OTAs, 654 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: and then we're gonna hear from the coaching that some 655 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: of the new coaches later on this Thursday. 656 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Brian, that's gonna be cool. 657 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: It's always like a unique experience we have this kind 658 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: of roundtable experience with the media is able to talk 659 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: to some of the position coaches and learn a little 660 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: bit about them. 661 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 4: It's a relationship business, and you don't build relationships with 662 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 4: these guys until you get to talk to them, and 663 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: we really haven't had much of an opportunity to get 664 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: to know them at all in a relaxed setting, So 665 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to find out which guys. 666 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 6: Really enjoy it. 667 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: You know, who's the most candid, right, who's the one 668 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: that's going to tell you what you didn't expect? And 669 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: those guys fun. 670 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 6: Nothing better than talking to the offensive line coach. 671 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: John loves an offensive coach conversation, so be sure to 672 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: bring you the latest on that. And we will be 673 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: back for our final show before training camp next week 674 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: on Tuesdays. 675 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: To join Sad